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08 Jan 2021 | Deplatforming the President | 00:21:26 | |
This week, in the wake of violent protests at the Capitol, the social media platforms took unprecedented steps to rein in the president. Facebook banned his account at least through Inauguration Day. Twitter removed tweets and locked his account for 12 hours. Will these measures really make a difference? And how is it that two CEOs came to have so much power over the president’s reach?
Guest:
Danielle Citron, professor at UVA Law School and vice president of the Cyber Civil Rights Initiative
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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22 May 2020 | What Is Elon Musk Thinking? | 00:19:08 | |
As the coronavirus shut down manufacturing across California in March and April, Elon Musk only wanted one thing: to start making cars again.
So when local government officials in Alameda County got in his way, Musk took the fight public, and won.
Guest: Kara Swisher, co-host of the Pivot podcast.
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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15 Jan 2021 | Where the Far Right Is Meeting Now | 00:21:05 | |
After Facebook and Twitter banned thousands of accounts in the wake of the Capitol riots, fringe groups are flocking to platforms like Signal and Telegram. With the inauguration just days away, and government officials warning of violence, QAnon believers and Stop the Steal protesters are now communicating in encrypted spaces. What, if anything, is being planned?
Guest:
Will Sommer, politics reporter at the Daily Beast
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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22 Jan 2021 | Why the Vaccine Websites Suck | 00:30:48 | |
Most people thought developing the vaccine in record time would be the hard part. That, or shipping millions of doses at subzero temperatures to every corner of the country. But nobody--or, almost nobody--guessed that the biggest barrier between U.S. citizens and vaccination would be … online scheduling.
What went wrong with the vaccine websites? And what will it take to get them right?
Guests:
Raphael Lee, director of USDR’s Health Program
Hana Schank, director of Strategy for Public Interest Technology at New America
Jessica Allen
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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29 Jan 2021 | Inside the Subreddit That Blew Up GameStop | 00:24:57 | |
The story of how GameStop went from the verge of a bankruptcy to a $15 billion market value isn’t an easy one to wrap your head around. But it helps to go back to the beginning; almost three years ago, in a subreddit called r/wallstreetbets.
Guests:
Brandon Kochkodin, reporter at Bloomberg
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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05 Feb 2021 | India Turns Off the Internet | 00:22:50 | |
Last week, in response to protests by farmers outside New Delhi, India, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi restricted access to the mobile web in areas where the protests were unfolding. The move is the latest in the Indian government’s long history of throttling internet access and censoring speech online.
Why is the Modi government increasingly shutting down the internet and stifling digital dissent? And what does the party’s history of internet shutdowns tell us about India’s future?
Guest:
Pranav Dixit, correspondent for Buzzfeed News
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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12 Feb 2021 | How Clubhouse Cracked China’s Firewall | 00:26:52 | |
For most of the last year, Clubhouse—the audio-only social media app—has been dominated by conversations about business, branding, and Elon Musk. But as users picked up the app around the globe, something extraordinary happened.
Censors in mainland China overlooked it. And for two weeks in February, it hosted a series of unusual, unfiltered conversations. Han Chinese, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, and Uighurs all flooded to the app to speak freely about authoritarianism, democracy, and propaganda.
Here’s what happened when the censors looked the other way.
Guest:
Melissa Chan, journalist with the Global Reporting Centre
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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19 Feb 2021 | Why Texas Went Dark | 00:23:56 | |
Over the last week, millions of Texans have been forced to live without power or heat. At least 16 have died since Monday. In a state that’s no stranger to extreme weather and high power demand, how did it all go so wrong?
Guest:
Josh Rhodes, research associate at the Webber Energy Group at the University of Texas at Austin
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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26 Feb 2021 | Australia’s Kinda-Sorta Win Over Big Tech | 00:23:33 | |
Over the last year, the Australian government has been waging a quiet war against Facebook and Google. Through a new law, it plans to force the big tech companies to pay news outlets in exchange for linking to their sites.
Will this new law have the intended effect? Or will it set a dangerous precedent that cedes even more power over to the tech giants?
Guest:
JR Hennessy, editor at Business Insider Australia
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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05 Mar 2021 | The Failing Lifeline for Low-Income Americans | 00:24:48 | |
The federal Lifeline program was intended to bridge the gap between Americans who could comfortably pay for phone and internet service, and those who couldn’t. But in the midst of the pandemic, Lifeline is falling woefully short.
How did a program meant to help connect low-income Americans with phone and internet service ended up making them second-class digital citizens at the worst possible moment?
Guest:
Tony Romm, senior tech policy reporter at the Washington Post, author of
“How the Federal Lifeline Program Failed Amid the Coronavirus Pandemic”
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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12 Mar 2021 | Does Google Actually Want to Hire Black Engineers? | 00:25:52 | |
Back in 2014, Google released in-depth diversity data for its workforce for the first time. 1.1 percent of its tech team identified as Black. Six years later, after millions of dollars spent and a much-hyped partnership program with historically Black colleges and universities across the country, that number is up to 2.4 percent.
How did such a promising effort yield such incremental change?
Guest: Nitasha Tiku, tech culture reporter at the Washington Post
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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19 Mar 2021 | Hate, Lies, and AI | 00:27:06 | |
Facebook’s failure to contain the spread of dangerous misinformation is no secret. For years, the company has pledged publicly to fix the problem. But in the wake of the Capitol riots, it’s clear that there’s more work to be done. So, why isn’t the social media giant using its powerful AI to contain hate and lies?
Guest:
Karen Hao, senior AI reporter at MIT Technology Review
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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26 Mar 2021 | The AstraZeneca Saga | 00:26:49 | |
Back in April 2020, AstraZeneca was hailed as a frontrunner in the race to get an effective vaccine to market. A year later, after a series of trial pauses, communication blunders, and PR problems, the vaccine is on the cusp of FDA approval.
By all accounts, the company succeeded in making a safe, effective vaccine. So why has there been so much confusion about its rollout?
Guest:
Peter Aldhous, science reporter at Buzzfeed News
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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02 Apr 2021 | The Fight Over Vaccine Passports | 00:26:56 | |
There are at least 17 different “vaccine passport” initiatives underway in the United States. And leaked documents reveal that the Biden administration fears that “a chaotic and ineffective vaccine credential approach could hamper our pandemic response by undercutting health safety measures, slowing economic recovery, and undermining public trust and confidence.”
Without coordination, a chaotic and ineffective approach seems likely. So, what can, and what should, the Biden administration do to avoid this outcome? And what are the risks and rewards of coordinating an effort that divides Americans along the lines of vaccination status?
Guest:
Dan Diamond, health policy and politics reporter for the Washington Post
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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09 Apr 2021 | The Rise of the Therapy Apps | 00:26:28 | |
Since the start of the pandemic, usage of apps like BetterHelp and Talkspace has skyrocketed. These apps might make mental health care more accessible, but are the products they sell really the same as therapy?
Guest:
Molly Fischer, features writer for the Cut at New York Magazine
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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16 Apr 2021 | Seduced by Substack | 00:25:02 | |
Like countless venture-funded start-ups before it, Substack is “disrupting” the media industry. The newsletter service is siphoning off high-profile talent with a promise of independence and bigger paychecks. But the platform’s influence might reach far beyond the media. Will Substack change the way we think about online creators and their audiences? Can it create a new kind of relationship between them?
Guest:
Charlie Warzel, writer of Galaxy Brain
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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23 Apr 2021 | What's Causing the Tesla Crashes? | 00:23:29 | |
Last week, a Tesla Model S crashed into a tree in a neighborhood north of Houston. Both men inside the car were killed. But according to police, neither of them was in the driver’s seat.
This is not the first crash in which Tesla’s “autopilot” feature has likely played a role. Should we really be trusting this technology?
Guest:
Missy Cummings, professor of electrical and computer engineering at Duke University
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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30 Apr 2021 | Tim Apple vs. Mark Facebook | 00:23:35 | |
There was a time—back when Steve Jobs ran Apple and Mark Zuckerberg was in his early days as Facebook’s CEO— that Apple and Facebook were friends.. Or, at worst, frenemies. But as the companies grew, so did two competing views of how the internet should work.
What led to the rift between Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook? And will Apple’s new privacy rules undercut Facebook’s vision for the internet?
Guest:
Mike Isaac, tech reporter at the New York Times
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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07 May 2021 | Oversight Board to Facebook: Nice Try | 00:23:11 | |
The question of Donald Trump’s banned account--to keep it blocked, or reinstate it--is one of the toughest that Facebook has ever faced. But the social network had a plan: punt the decision to its newly minted Oversight Board, a semi-independent “Supreme Court” tasked with making hard decisions about what content stays up, and what comes down.
Did that plan just backfire?
Guest: Kate Klonick, professor at St. John’s University School of Law
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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14 May 2021 | How the World’s Great Vaccination Hope Crashed | 00:24:22 | |
The Serum Institute of India was supposed to supply vaccines not just to India, but to the entire Global South. Now, with cases surging, there aren’t nearly enough vaccines for India’s population, not to mention the many countries that are relying on it. How did such a successful institution come up so short? And what are the costs of that failure?
Guest: Samanth Subramanian, senior reporter at Quartz
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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21 May 2021 | The Hackers Who Took Down the Colonial Pipeline | 00:26:07 | |
Last week, a hacker group called DarkSide shut down the Colonial Pipeline, which supplies 45 percent of the fuel consumed on the East Coast. Gas prices skyrocketed, people started hoarding gas, and DarkSide walked away with over $4 million in Bitcoin. How did they do it? And what makes this hack different from those we’ve seen before?
Guest: David Uberti, cybersecurity reporter at the Wall Street Journal
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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28 May 2021 | Apple and Epic’s Battle Royale | 00:22:25 | |
After years of careful planning and public spats, Apple and Epic—the maker of Fortnite—have spent the last three weeks in court, fighting over the future of mobile gaming. What happens if, for once, Apple loses?
Guest: Elizabeth Lopatto, deputy editor at the Verge
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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04 Jun 2021 | The App That Sparked a Manhunt | 00:28:39 | |
Two weeks ago, as wildfires burned north of Los Angeles, the crime app Citizen offered $30,000 for information that would lead to the arrest of a suspected arsonist. They had the wrong guy.
Why is Citizen offering bounties in the first place? And what does this bounty debacle say about the app’s aspirations for the future?
Guest: Joseph Cox, reporter at Motherboard
Host
Henry Grabar
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11 Jun 2021 | What Space Billionaires Cost Us | 00:24:48 | |
Over the last decade, billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Richard Branson have come to embody the future of space travel and exploration. What does it mean when the ideas and ambitions of a few powerful men come to dominate the conversation so thoroughly?
Guest: Lucianne Walkowicz, astronomer at the Adler Planetarium and founder of the Just Space Alliance
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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18 Jun 2021 | What Cops Are Doing With Your DNA | 00:25:53 | |
Ever since police used a DNA platform called GEDmatch to crack the Golden State Killer case in 2018, police departments around the country have rushed to use genetic genealogy to crack their own cold cases. The result? Hundreds of violent cases solved.
So--why are some states passing new laws to limit this new technology?
Guest: Nila Bala, senior staff attorney at the Policing Project at NYU Law.
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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25 Jun 2021 | Welcome to Bitcoin Beach | 00:25:25 | |
For nearly two years, an unprecedented experiment has been taking place in the town of El Zonte in El Salvador. Funded by a mysterious donor, the town’s residents built a Bitcoin economy, using the cryptocurrency to purchase just about anything.
Now, El Slavador has passed a new law making it the first country to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Can they replicate El Zonte’s success at a national scale?
Guest: Ezra Fieser, reporter at Bloomberg
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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02 Jul 2021 | It’s Time to Talk About UFOs | 00:25:12 | |
Last week, the U.S. government released a new report that attempts to categorize 144 verified sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP. They could only definitively explain one of them.
The new report signals a shift in the way we think about UAP. As technology has advanced and evidence of these encounters has increased, the question has become more urgent: What exactly is happening in our skies?
Guest: Shane Harris, intelligence and national security reporter for the Washington Post
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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09 Jul 2021 | So, What Happens to WFH Now? | 00:29:05 | |
For many white-collar workers, the full-time work from home era is coming to an end. Some are going back into offices five days a week. Many others will be expected to split the week between home and the office.
As the new rules are laid down, office workers are asking themselves: do we want work to go back to the way it was? Or is it time, finally, to try something different?
Guest: Brigid Schulte, director of the Better Life Lab at New America
Host
Henry Grabar
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16 Jul 2021 | It's Hot. It's Flooding. Is This the New Normal? | 00:24:23 | |
Over the last month, North Americans have seen record-breaking heat, droughts, wildfires, and floods. The science is clear: we are living through the effects of climate change. Now scientists are trying to answer: is this the new normal?
Guest: Daniel Swain, climate scientist at UCLA
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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23 Jul 2021 | How Spyware Mercenaries Hack Your Phone | 00:32:45 | |
This week, Amnesty International and a French journalism nonprofit named Forbidden Stories revealed that technology from a spyware firm called NSO Group is being deployed on a massive scale. The spyware, called Pegasus, gives the user access to every part of a victim’s smartphone -- notes, messages, photos, and recordings.
What’s it like for security researchers to see their worst fears about digital spying play out? And what are they worried about next?
Guests:
John Scott Railton, Senior Researcher at the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto
Siddharth Varadarajan, Founding Editor of the Wire
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30 Jul 2021 | I Bought It. Why Can't I Fix It? | 00:20:51 | |
Whether it’s a phone screen or a coffee machine, why is it so hard to fix our own stuff? And what can we do to make it a bit easier?
Guest: Jason Koebler, editor-in-chief of Motherboard and contributor to the CYBER podcast
Host
Lizzie O’Leary
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06 Aug 2021 | Can America Fix Its Trains? | 00:20:12 | |
America used to be at the vanguard of railroad technology. What went wrong? And can the new infrastructure bill fix our broken system?
Guests: Alon Levy and Eric Goldwyn of the Marron Institute at NYU
Host
Henry Grabar
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13 Aug 2021 | What's Taking the FDA So Long? | 00:27:57 | |
Experts say that a “fully approved” designation for the vaccines could have sweeping effects. Broader vaccination mandates, inclusion for new age groups, and reassurance for those hesitant to take a vaccine without the designation. As calls for approval grow louder and more urgent, the Food and Drug Administration is yet to give its blessing. What’s happening inside the FDA as they work toward this milestone?
Guest: Sarah Owermohle, health care reporter at Politico
Host:
Lizzie O’Leary
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20 Aug 2021 | Will Booster Shots Make a Difference? | 00:22:41 | |
The Biden administration says a third dose of vaccines for all American adults will end the pandemic faster. And experts say there is evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness against mild-to-moderate disease. But globally, what’s the best use of the next available dose?
Guest: Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health.
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
This episode was produced by Alyssa Edes.
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27 Aug 2021 | Elizabeth Holmes on Trial | 00:26:18 | |
Elizabeth Holmes convinced countless people that her company would change the world. Can she convince 12 jurors that she didn’t intend to deceive her company’s patients and investors?
Guest: Rebecca Jarvis, host of “The Dropout” podcast and ABC News Chief Business, Technology & Economics Correspondent
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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03 Sep 2021 | The Rush for Ivermectin | 00:25:22 | |
A medicine meant to treat parasites is the latest unproven COVID treatment craze. With warnings from the FDA, and prescribers clamping down, some are going to extreme lengths to get their hands on the drug. What’s behind Ivermectin’s sudden rise?
Guest: Brandy Zadrozny, senior reporter for NBC News
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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10 Sep 2021 | Can This River Be Saved? | 00:22:26 | |
The Colorado River Basin is experiencing its 22nd year of drought. Its reservoirs are at their lowest-ever levels. The water stored in the system is at just 40 percent of its capacity. How did the situation on the Colorado become so dire? And what does the shortage mean for the 40 million people who rely on its waters?
Guest: Abrahm Lustgarten, senior investigative reporter at ProPublica
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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17 Sep 2021 | China vs. Video Games | 00:18:33 | |
Recently, China restricted video game playing to just three hours a week for its young people: 8pm to 9pm, Friday through Sunday.
And that’s not the only change. Over the last few months, private tutors, diehard celebrity fans, and tech giants have all faced fresh restrictions from Beijing. What’s behind this new wave of crackdowns?
Guest: Brenda Goh, technology correspondent for Reuters
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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24 Sep 2021 | Are We Getting COVID Testing All Wrong? | 00:30:32 | |
In the U.S., the PCR test is the gold standard for COVID testing. Common knowledge would have it that the test is more accurate—and therefore more effective at containing the spread of the dease—than the rapid antigen test.
What if that isn’t quite true?
Guest: Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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01 Oct 2021 | What Instagram Does to Teens | 00:25:24 | |
Since 2018, internal research teams at Facebook have been studying the effect on Instagram on mental health. Their results couldn’t be more clear: Instagram is causing problems, especially for teen girls.
Why has it taken so long for their research to surface? And what can be done to improve the relationship between kids and the platform?
Guest: Georgia Wells, tech reporter at the Wall Street Journal.
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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15 Oct 2021 | The Return of Hacktivism | 00:25:23 | |
Over the last month, the domain company Epik and the streaming service Twitch have fallen prey to massive-scale hacks. The hackers revealed not just email addresses, but detailed personal information too. For Twitch, it was the entire source code for their site.
But the attackers aren’t holding this data for ransom. In fact, they don’t seem to want much of anything. What’s motivating this new wave of activist hacks? And who suffers?
Guest: Drew Harwell, tech reporter at the Washington Post
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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22 Oct 2021 | Honey, I Sold the House to Zillow | 00:23:24 | |
Between April and June of this year, Zillow bought nearly 4,000 homes. And they had no intention of holding onto them. The plan was to flip houses, often and at scale, joining the ranks of companies like Opendoor and Offerpad, also known as iBuyers.
So, why did Zillow put their plans on pause last weekend? Can online middlemen really change the way we buy and sell houses?
Guests:
Tony Santos, homeowner
Patrick Clark, reporter at Bloomberg
Host: Henry Grabar
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29 Oct 2021 | Why Are Bots Buying Sneakers? | 00:29:02 | |
The bots aren’t just buying cool sneakers. They’re buying concert tickets. Tickets to basketball games and Broadway shows. At the beginning of the pandemic, they were buying hand sanitizer and face masks. And later, they were booking vaccine reservation spots.
Why are bots taking over certain markets? And is there anything we can do to slow them down?
Guests:
Derreck Johnson, designer at Slate
Eric Budish, economics professor at the University of Chicago
Host: Seth Stevenson
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24 Dec 2021 | Best of 2021: Are We Getting COVID Testing All Wrong? | 00:33:10 | |
This episode originally aired in September.
In the U.S., the PCR test is the gold standard for COVID testing. Common knowledge would have it that the test is more accurate—and therefore more effective at containing the spread of the disease—than the rapid antigen test.
What if that isn’t quite true?
Guest: Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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31 Dec 2021 | Best of 2021: It’s Time to Talk About U.F.O.s | 00:26:29 | |
This episode originally aired in July 2021
Last week, the U.S. government released a new report that attempts to categorize 144 verified sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena, or U.A.P. They could only definitively explain one of them.
The new report signals a shift in the way we think about U.A.P. As technology has advanced and evidence of these encounters have increased, the question has become more urgent: what exactly is happening in our skies?
Guest: Shane Harris, intelligence and national security reporter for the Washington Post
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01 Nov 2019 | The Price of Automating Aviation | 00:17:38 | |
This week, Boeing’s CEO Dennis Muilenburg appeared in front of Congress. He was there to answer questions about what his company knew, and when, before two 737 Max airplanes crashed and claimed the lives of 346 people.
But beyond the planes’ technological failures is another key issue: the way pilots react when automated systems go wrong.
Guest: Jon Ostrower, Editor in Chief of The Air Current
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30 Mar 2025 | This Is Your Brain On Ketamine | 00:28:35 | |
Ketamine has gone from a recreational psychedelic to an approved treatment, and it has caught on in Silicon Valley in a big way. Are the long-term effects of using ketamine—recreationally or therapeutically—sufficiently known? Are we witnessing them right now?
Guest: Shayla Love, staff writer for the Atlantic.
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08 Oct 2021 | Will the Facebook Whistleblower Make a Difference? | 00:26:41 | |
The last month has seen a steady drip of leaked documents from inside Facebook, each seemingly more damning than the next. This week, the whistleblower behind the leaks revealed her identity.
What motivates Frances Haugen? And can she do real damage to the social media giant?
Guest: Jeff Horwitz, tech reporter at the Wall Street Journal.
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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05 Nov 2021 | How Schools Surveil Your Kids | 00:25:11 | |
In schools across the country, tighter digital controls were put in place to keep kids on task during the pandemic. Are they here to stay?
Guests: Priya Anand, reporter at Bloomberg
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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12 Nov 2021 | The Kid-Vaccine Holdouts | 00:28:25 | |
A recent poll showed that about a third of parents of younger children would get their kids vaccinated, a third would not, and the final third said they wanted to wait and see how the vaccines worked.
Public health officials are asking: what will it take to convince that third group that now is the time to vaccinate?
Guests:
Julie Hamill
Dr. Aaron Carroll, pediatrician and professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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19 Nov 2021 | Space Junk! (And Space Wars?) | 00:26:00 | |
Over the weekend, Russia tested a new weapon—a type of missile that can fly into space and destroy a satellite in orbit.
The test created thousands of pieces of debris, which will hurtle around the Earth’s orbit for years to come. What’s the real risk of the rapid increase in space junk? And is there anything to be done about it?
Guest:
Laura Grego, Stanton Nuclear Security Fellow at MIT
Host: Seth Stevenson
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03 Dec 2021 | Did @jack Ruin Twitter? | 00:21:24 | |
On Monday, Jack Dorsey stepped down as CEO of Twitter. It’s not the first time he’s left the job.
Is this really the end for the man who guided Twitter through the Trump era? And how will the platform change without him at the helm?
Guest: Nick Bilton, special correspondent at Vanity Fair
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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10 Dec 2021 | Who Online Justice Leaves Behind | 00:21:43 | |
The U.S. civil court system doesn’t get as much attention as the criminal courts, but it would be hard to overstate its importance. In 2018, for example, 47 percent of respondents to a Pew survey said they had dealt with the system in one way or another; from eviction proceedings, to debt collection, to child-support modifications.
What happened when the pandemic upended such an important pillar of the justice system? Did new technologies fix existing problems—or just create new ones?
Guest: Qudsiya Naqui, officer at the Pew Charitable Trust
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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17 Dec 2021 | The Carbon Capture Fantasy | 00:29:48 | |
Using experimental technology to pull gigatons of carbon out of the air and bury it deep beneath the Earth sounds like a bad sci-fi plot point. If things don’t change soon, it also might be one of our only options.
Guest: Clive Thompson, journalist and author of Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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07 Jan 2022 | The Aftermath of Elizabeth Holmes | 00:27:55 | |
Elizabeth Holmes was found guilty of defrauding investors this week in federal court. The former CEO, wunderkind, and blood mogul has been the subject of intense legal interest and public fascination ever since her company, Theranos, was beset by scandal in 2015. Today on What Next: TBD we follow-up with Rebecca Jarvis, host of “The Dropout” podcast and ABC News Chief Business, Technology & Economics Correspondent. We dig into the verdict and ask if Silicon Valley will finally confront the elements of its culture that allowed Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos to run wild with investor’s money, and patient’s health. You can listen to “The Dropout: Elizabeth Holmes on Trial” now wherever you get your podcasts.
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21 Jan 2022 | Why Does Matt Damon Want Me to Buy Crypto? | 00:19:24 | |
A recent advertisement for crypto.com, featuring Matt Damon, was met with widespread mockery online. But Damon’s ad is only the most visible example of a much broader—and more insidious—trend of celebrity cryptocurrency endorsements. Is the partnership between crypto and Hollywood really dangerous? And what separates the trend from run-of-the-mill salesmanship?
Guests: Jacob Silverman, staff writer for the New Republic and Ben McKenzie, actor, writer, and director.
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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28 Jan 2022 | The Downfall of One of the World's Biggest Brains | 00:25:19 | |
Ten years ago, IBM made a gamble. Through a monumental advertising and PR campaign, it promised that its AI technology–Watson–would transform the health care industry as we know it. A decade and billions of dollars later, Watson Health is being sold for parts.
What went wrong with IBM’s “moonshot?” And what does Watson’s failure tell us about the promise of AI for health care?
Guest: Casey Ross, national technology correspondent for STAT
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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04 Feb 2022 | Spotify’s Joe Rogan Mess | 00:24:33 | |
For Spotify, the last month has seen a cascade of controversies around its exclusive podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience. Is it time for the streaming service to rethink its role as a podcast publisher? And is it even possible to moderate podcast misinformation?
Guest: Evelyn Douek, lecturer at Harvard Law School, and Affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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06 Feb 2022 | The Code That Runs Your Life | 00:21:47 | |
Banks, healthcare providers, and retailers around the world still rely on COBOL, a programming language originally developed in the 1960s. By all accounts the code is powerful, practical, and very rarely problematic. But the small group of people who still know the language are aging out of the workforce.
What happens when there are no more COBOL coders left?
Guest: Clive Thompson, journalist and author of "Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World."
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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11 Feb 2022 | How Safe is the Metaverse? | 00:26:21 | |
Facebook’s first crack at the metaverse has a problem: kids. Underage users seem to be flooding Horizon Worlds, potentially putting themselves at risk.
Is Meta doomed to repeat Facebook’s mistakes?
Guest: Will Oremus, technology news analysis writer for the Washington Post.
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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13 Feb 2022 | The Rise of a Fast Fashion Juggernaut | 00:19:56 | |
In just a few short years, the Chinese fast fashion company Shein upended the way countless young women shop online. It’s approach could soon shape the way everyone else shops, too.
Guest: Louise Matsakis, freelance technology reporter
Host: Lizzie O’Leary
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18 Feb 2022 | "Rampant Racism" at Tesla | 00:23:04 | |
Last week, California's Department of Fair Employment and Housing sued Tesla. It accuses the electric vehicle maker of fostering a workplace rife with racism and discrimination.
What's happening inside Tesla's Fremont plant?
Guest: Dana Hull, reporter for Bloomberg
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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25 Feb 2022 | Russia's Other Battlefront | 00:25:27 | |
For seven years, Ukraine has served as a virtual testing ground for a generation of cyber weaponry capable of taking down power grids, networks, and supply chains. With an invasion of Ukraine underway, will these weapons come into play?
Guest: Andy Greenberg, senior writer at WIRED and the author of the book Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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27 Feb 2022 | Peter Thiel, Patron of the Populist Right | 00:24:35 | |
Peter Thiel spent the better part of two decades molding the tech industry in his image. Now, he's leaving Facebook behind and turning his attention to politics. Is Thiel the next kingmaker for the populist right?
Max Chafkin, writer for Bloomberg and is the author of The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley's Pursuit of Power
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04 Mar 2022 | Ukraine’s Information War | 00:23:03 | |
Up against one of the world's most effective propaganda operations, Ukraine has taken control of the online narrative. With Russian troops closing in, how important is winning the information war?
Guest: Casey Newton, writer at Platformer
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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06 Mar 2022 | When Your Retina Needs a Software Update | 00:23:55 | |
Second Sight restored partial vision to hundreds of patients around the world through retinal implants. Then, on the verge of bankruptcy, they abandoned the project. Now, over 300 patients with Second Sight technology in their bodies are asking: what will happen to us?
Guest: Eliza Strickland, senior editor at IEEE Spectrum
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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11 Mar 2022 | Putin's Internet Crackdown | 00:31:49 | |
Vladimir Putin has always regarded the internet with suspicion. Now, with western tech companies pulling out of Russia and control of the war narrative slipping, he sees an opening. Will Putin wall off Russia from the rest of the digital world?
Guests:
Yana Pashaeva, Moscow-based journalist
Justin Sherman, fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative
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13 Mar 2022 | How Minnesota Spied On Protesters | 00:21:40 | |
When Minnesota's Operation Safety Net, a coordinated effort among nine Minnesota law enforcement agencies, was announced in February 2021, its mission was to ensure the trial of Derek Chauvin would proceed peacefully. It also promised to protect people's right to gather and demonstrate peacefully.
Did Operation Safety Net keep its promise?
Guest: Tate Ryan-Mosley, reporter for MIT Tech review
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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18 Mar 2022 | Hong Kong’s Covid Crisis | 00:24:25 | |
Hong Kong's zero-COVID policy got enviable results, but inadvertently set the stage for disaster. What will it take to change course?
Guest: Dr. Karen Grépin, Associate Professor at the School of Public Health at the University of Hong Kong
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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20 Mar 2022 | The Startup Delivering Adderall | 00:19:41 | |
In just two years, the mental-health startup Cerebral has grown to operate in 50 states, registered more than 200,000 patients, and reached a $4.8 billion valuation. Has it prioritized growth over patient care?
Guest: Caleb Melby
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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25 Mar 2022 | Why the Zelensky Deepfake Failed | 00:24:11 | |
The FBI warned that Russia would use deepfakes to support its invasion of Ukraine. Are they missing the real threat?
Guest: Noah Giansiracusa, professor of math and data science at Bentley University.
Host: Seth Stevenson
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27 Mar 2022 | The Cost of Going Off-Grid | 00:22:24 | |
Going off-grid can seem appealing in lots of ways. But are there consequences if everyone unplugs from the system? Are there costs we haven’t considered?
Guest: Ivan Penn, renewable energy correspondent for the New York Times
Host: Seth Stevenson
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01 Apr 2022 | The White House's Favorite Tech Billionaire | 00:23:36 | |
Why did Ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt spend over a decade building relationships with the most powerful Democrats in America?
Guest: Alex Thompson, reporter at Politico
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03 Apr 2022 | A Conversation With Europe's Top Tech Cop | 00:21:47 | |
For nearly a decade, Margrethe Vestager has led Europe's efforts to rein in big tech. One newspaper article described Vestager as putting the fear of God into Silicon Valley. How is she thinking about fairness in tech in 2022?
Guest: Margrethe Vestager, Executive Vice-President of the European Commission for a Europe fit for the Digital Age
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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08 Apr 2022 | Elon Trolls the SEC | 00:23:29 | |
With 9.1% ownership of Twitter—and a board seat—Elon Musk is the new master of Twitter's future. Why did the wealthiest man in the world just take over the world's most influential platform?
Guest: Ranjan Roy, writer of the Margins newsletter
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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15 Apr 2022 | Elonnnnnnnnnnnnn! | 00:20:49 | |
Is Musk's bid to take Twitter private a genuine attempt to mold the social network in his image? Or is he just going to have some fun, make some money, and walk away?
Guest: Felix Salmon, host of Slate Money and chief financial correspondent for Axios
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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17 Apr 2022 | How TurboTax Tricks Taxpayers | 00:22:36 | |
How did Intuit build its TurboTax empire?
Guest: Justin Elliott, reporter for ProPublica
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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22 Apr 2022 | The COVID Data Disaster | 00:25:30 | |
Are we facing down yet another COVID wave right now? Does it matter?
Guest: Katherine Wu, staff writer for The Atlantic
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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24 Apr 2022 | A New High-Tech Weapon in Ukraine | 00:22:20 | |
The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is uncovering new wartime applications for facial recognition technology.
Guest: Aric Toler, director of research and training at Bellingcat
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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29 Apr 2022 | What Elon Wants With Twitter | 00:23:33 | |
Twitter is the platform of choice for politicians, journalists, academics, and many other agenda-setters. Twitter influences conversations that take place in newsrooms and statehouses. What happens if the company’s placed in the hands of a pugnacious, provocative plutocrat like Elon Musk?
Guest: Will Oremus, tech reporter for the Washington Post
Host: Seth Stevenson
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01 May 2022 | The Fantasy of Internet for All | 00:19:06 | |
Can Starlink ever fulfill its promise of connecting the world, especially places left behind by traditional internet? Or will it be just another toy for the rich?
Guest: Meaghan Tobin, reporter at Rest of World
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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06 May 2022 | Can the Internet Rescue Abortion Access? | 00:20:06 | |
The pandemic changed the way abortion care could be provided online. So what happens now?
Guest: Dr. Mai Fleming, family medicine physician and Fellow with Physicians for Reproductive Health.
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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08 May 2022 | Is Free Speech Online Just a Myth? | 00:26:32 | |
A conversation with one of the smartest First Amendment lawyers in the country.
Guest: Jameel Jaffer
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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13 May 2022 | Can A.I. Know What You're Feeling? | 00:20:06 | |
Companies are developing and selling A.I. products intended to tell your boss or your teacher how you're feeling.
Guest: Kate Kaye, reporter for Protocol
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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15 May 2022 | Inside Trump’s Twitter Clone | 00:21:39 | |
Trump's Truth Social network was supposed to be the right's answer to Twitter. What happens to the company if Elon takes over?
Guest: Drew Harwell, reporter for the Washington Post
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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29 May 2022 | Online Privacy in a Post-Roe World | 00:20:42 | |
What can current surveillance infrastructure tell us about online privacy after the fall of Roe?
Guest: Lily Hay Newman
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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03 Jun 2022 | Can an Algorithm Spot a Shooter? | 00:23:43 | |
Schools have spent millions to detect threats online. It mostly doesn’t work.
Guest: Arijit Sen
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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05 Jun 2022 | Is Elon Musk Any Good at Business? | 00:28:12 | |
Some call him revolutionary. Others call him a hack. Is his success warranted?
Guest: Ashlee Vance
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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10 Jun 2022 | Bots! What Are They Good For? | 00:26:54 | |
Elon Musk isn't wrong that Twitter has a bot problem. But he's kind of missing the point.
Guest: Samuel Woolley
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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12 Jun 2022 | Sheryl Sandberg’s Complicated Legacy | 00:28:31 | |
She wanted to be an icon for working women. What went wrong?
Guest: Sheera Frenkel
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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17 Jun 2022 | The Culture War Over Electric Cars | 00:24:19 | |
One state wants to stop people from buying one. But can electric vehicles be stopped?
Guest: Ryan Cornell
Host: Sonari Glinton
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19 Jun 2022 | From the Vault: It's Hot. It's Flooding. Is This the New Normal? | 00:25:07 | |
This episode originally aired in July 2021.
Last year, North Americans saw record-breaking heat, droughts, wildfires, and floods. The science is clear: we are living through the effects of climate change. Now scientists are trying to answer: is this the new normal?
Guest: Daniel Swain, climate scientist at UCLA
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24 Jun 2022 | Can the Law Keep Up With the Internet? | 00:25:31 | |
The openness of the internet is its greatest strength. Or a glaring weakness, depending on who you ask. Does something need to change?
Guest: Jared Schroeder
Host: Sonari Glinton
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01 Jul 2022 | TikTok’s Mental Health Influencers | 00:30:14 | |
Social media makes mental health information accessible. But it's not a perfect solution.
Guest: Lindsay Lee Wallace
Host: Mary C. Curtis
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03 Jul 2022 | The Good Hackers | 00:25:37 | |
According to the Justice Department, there’s a right way — and a wrong way — to be a hacker.
Guest: Josephine Wolff
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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08 Jul 2022 | Can FEMA Keep Up With Climate Change? | 00:28:48 | |
Climate change is causing unprecedented severe weather. Is the agency prepared for it to get worse?
Guest: Craig Fugate and Ashley Nerbovig
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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10 Jul 2022 | Paxlovid's Mysteries | 00:26:26 | |
There's still a lot unknown about COVID's new wonder drug.
Guest: Rachel Gutman-Wei
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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15 Jul 2022 | Can Twitter Sue Elon Musk Into Submission? | 00:29:33 | |
Dysfunction is nothing new to Twitter. But Elon Musk pulling his offer to buy the company adds a new layer of chaos.
Guest: Alex Kantrowitz
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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17 Jul 2022 | Silicon Valley's Hidden Discrimination | 00:25:15 | |
Thenmozhi Soundararajan was scheduled to give a talk at Google for Dalit History Month. It led to vicious attacks against her from some of its employees.
Guest: Thenmozhi Soundararajan
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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22 Jul 2022 | Europe Is Burning | 00:28:07 | |
The continent's deadly heat wave is only the tip of the melting iceberg.
Guest: Henry Grabar
Host: Lizzie O'Leary
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