Episode Notes

Notes go here 0:00 Start 6:45 Welcoming Joe Jorgensen, how did Accessibyte begin? Early steps and stages. 12:00 Laptop View and Demo from the Accessibyte Homepage. 14:45 Learning methodology of Typio. Giving students educational tools that don't need a teacher all the time. 17:00 Joe explains each program, including Accessibyte Arcade and Braillio! 24:30 Home edition vs School edition? How would a teacher use these programs? How about younger students? 28:30 Typio vs Typio Pro for laptop demonstration 38:00 Typing Pets as a method of gamifying education. 44:00 Wrap-Up Summary and upcoming videos

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Timestamps: 10 Intro and Jokes done 13 Proper introduction to the device 18 Physical features and wearability 24 Short text: Business Card Demo 30 Document Mode 36 Newspaper Demo 40 Object and Scene Demos 48 Real life application and value 51 Facial Recognition 56 QR Codes 57 Summary, additional resources and compatible phones.

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0:00 Start 3:30 Carrie Introduction Attempt #1 7:00 Carrie Introduction Attempt #2 Now with audio! 9:00 Why and how did you get involved with Youtube? 15:00 Rebranding with a new Youtube Channel 20:00 Tips on how to create audio/video content with Low Vision / Blindness 24:00 Progress via gaining experience in front of the camera, Live streaming vs edited content? 30:00 Variety in duration, podcasts and long form conversation with live comments 35:00 Best of 2023? Integration of AI into Assistive Technology and future speculation 42:00 AI hallucinations and pitfalls of the current technology, "Where is the helicopter?" 45:00 AI and video? Real time audio description and legal challenges to data collection 48:00 Android vs Apple for Assistive Technology. 52:00 Wrap Up Review, Contact Links, and Podcasts and Youtube Channels

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Episode Notes

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro and Jokes 08:40 Guest speaker: Who is Anat Nulman? 13:00 RealSam Pocket phone itself compared to other smartphones 15:35 Out of the box setup and use, touchscreens and gestures vs tapping 23:16 Phone calls and creating contacts with audio alone 30:20 Text Messages 37:59 Auditory Contrast and voice options 46:52 Wrap up and suggestions for a Part 2 Review of the RealSam Pocket

Full Notes:

11:04:17 Welcome to vision forwards, tech, connect, live, connecting you to the world of assistive technology. 11:04:24 And now here you hosts, Corey and 11:04:28 Hello, everybody! I'm welcome back to. And that's fine. 11:04:34 I always had Ted talk flavor, welcome back to tech, connect, live, a resource, and brought to you by vision, Forward Association, Association. 11:04:44 Yes, they are yeah. Vision Ford Association. And this is tech, connect, live, welcome. 11:04:47 It is Thursday, January nineteenth. 11:04:51 Well, remember 2,023. I know amazing how it's our second show. Second show. 11:04:57 What was our oh, our first show of the year was windows, magnifiers as a one v. 11:05:02 One. My son says A. One V. One of windows magnifier versus zoom text. 11:05:06 Go back and check that out. But today, is our second one. 11:05:09 Indeed! Yeah. Oh, was that our second one? And this is our third one. 11:05:13 Hmm, no, it's 2 weeks. It's only 19. 11:05:15 Well, you know everybody's having a wonderful day today. Yes, our last one was pretty popular with the windows. 11:05:20 Magnifying the Zoom text, so, yeah, as the kids say, it was a bang. 11:05:25 You were just full of all of these great, frees. If you are looking for if you're looking for a screen, magnificent program, and you're not sure which one to go for, then definitely check out. 11:05:33 That previous tech connect live? Sure. But in this video we are not talking about computers. 11:05:40 Or I guess we kind of arc as smart yes, but we're not talking about Pcs. Oh, no, we are talking about Pcs. 11:05:47 Oh, no, we are talking about accessible smartphones. Koi. 11:05:51 This is a topic which we have discussed in the past. 11:05:52 We have discussed accessibility on Android phones, on apple phone that we have. 11:05:56 Looked at different apps, check? Which? Yeah, yeah, we look at the blank shell of call on check. 11:06:02 Yeah. Louie. Louis. Software on us? Yeah. Check. Yeah. So we have a, you know, phones, these are topics that we like to cover here. 11:06:08 And that's because basically everybody these days uses a phone and needs to use a phone because there's so much things that we have to do via apps, or even just communicating with people. 11:06:19 And so on, and so forth. What is when you work with individuals on cell phones? 11:06:26 What percent of them? Yes, come in, yes, and strictly use, or only really want to use their voice. 11:06:35 I would say a fairly high percentage. Okay, I need a number. 11:06:40 Well, okay, I'm gonna go at least 70, probably 81%. 11:06:47 Yes, I've done the math. I need to see the take on this. 11:06:50 But yes, it is a high percentage. Yeah. A lot of people want to be able to do, you know, stuff on that phone with a voice particularly, I don't want to pigeonhole people but I would say, the more elderly population in particular might be keen on that just because they want to be as simple 11:07:05 As possible, and the voice potentially offers simplicity. 11:07:08 Now, I will say, if you want to use a computer with just your voice, maybe not so simple. 11:07:12 It's a little different. Yeah. Using a smartphone definitely, you know, it can be easier. 11:07:17 And hopefully, they are paying attention today. Yes, hopefully, they are. Yes. 11:07:21 And yeah, so you can do stuff on a regular smartphone with your voice. 11:07:25 But the smartphone we're looking at today is going to be a little bit different and allow you to do a little bit more. 11:07:29 So we're looking forward to jumping into that. But before we start, of course we do like to tell jokes, don't we call it? We do like to tell jokes, I mean, I know you think we were telling a joke this whole time. 11:07:40 But yes, your face was a joke. Oh, now we're in that I don't know if I like 2,023. 11:07:49 I don't know if I like your New Year's resolution, but yes, so we like to tell jokes. 11:07:53 We also like our audience to tell jokes as well. So if you are in the audience, then please feel free to communicate with us via the chat or the Q. 11:08:02 And a either way is completely fine, and also, if you have any questions about to the things that we are looking at today, then do feel free to put those in the chat and the Q. And a. 11:08:09 You will get the most out of this if you ask questions, because that way you're going to be able to know exactly what you need to know about to the things that we're talking about. 11:08:18 So for today's jokes, I did pull up some jokes about artificial eleventh. 11:08:24 I just want to quickly say for those watching on Youtube, yes, make sure you put your questions in the comments, and we'll we'll in Producer Jonathan will be making sure that those come through. Indeed, he will. 11:08:35 We don't want to exclude. No, you on the 2 everybody is welcome. 11:08:38 Yeah, so today is choke from us is going to be the following, you looked one up, yeah, I did, yeah, okay, so we are talking about a phone today, which is you know, somewhat. 11:08:51 AI-based artificial intelligence base. So I hold up an artificial intelligence-related joke, and here it is. 11:08:56 Cori. Yes. Did you hear that? They've made a new, artificially intelligent orio? 11:09:02 I haven't get double stuff, Megas. 11:09:11 Well, I just wanted to tell you something about it. Oh, Lis, please, please, is one smart cookie. 11:09:17 How many times can I hit this yeah, I thought that was quite something after the upgrade. 11:09:32 Yes, I thought that was quite something after the upgrade. 11:09:35 Yes, you know, having the what is it? The Davos Conference? 11:09:36 Or they're having at the moment, or one of those world conferences. Okay? 11:09:40 So basically that I hear that those world leaders didn't upgrade to their secret artificial intelligence. 11:09:46 And they asked it, Hey, is there a God they just have to know? 11:09:51 And the artificial intelligence responded, there is now 11:10:01 Hey? Yeah. So I'm kind of hoping people put some in the chat. 11:10:04 So we don't have any I don't know why, but our audience veers between, you know, hundreds of jokes in a session and 0. Yeah. 11:10:17 So I, after seeing this today, it's really important that you put jokes in the jet. 11:10:21 But I do know that our special guest yes, has a couple jokes, for indeed. 11:10:27 So without further ado, we will introduce our guest today, and I'll guess, is Anat Norman, and that's what you care to say. 11:10:33 Hello! 11:10:34 Hello, everybody! Thank you for hosting me today 11:10:35 Well, thank you very much for coming on now, before we do get into things too much here I do want to make sure that I am pronouncing your name correctly, so we are seeing, and that is that correct? 11:10:45 That's beautiful! 11:10:46 Alright! That's what I like to hear so, and that we did talk talk. 11:10:51 We did talk very briefly before the show, and we did warn you that we might ask you for a joke, and I believe that you have at least one joke ready for us. 11:11:00 So if you would like to hit it. 11:11:02 Well, sure, since I work with cell phones I've prepared you a joke about cell phones. 11:11:07 Excellent, good. 11:11:08 Why was the self monitoring glasses 11:11:12 Hmm! I mean your way across this cuz you, Count sarsided near side is no sighted double vision like calling and texting amblyopia. 11:11:27 As, yeah. 11:11:29 Way simpler than that. It just forgot its context 11:11:34 That's pretty good. I like that one. That one's pretty good soverts your expectations. 11:11:39 Yes, what idle! And that's I do think you may have another yeah, I've been dying to hear this. 11:11:45 The skunk 10, yeah, yeah. Let's hear the skunk. 11:11:48 One. 11:11:50 So, yeah. 11:11:51 What happens when you cross breed a cell phone and a skunk 11:11:55 I mean, I imagine it probably smells quite bad. You get a cell skunk, a skunk cell smelly, Sally smelly. 11:12:06 Sally smelly, smelly, Sally 11:12:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get a sync, it connection. 11:12:13 I I like it very good. Smelly, Sally, and from dog in the chat. 11:12:23 Oh, you go, Doug! What are the fastest means of communication? 11:12:27 Fastest means talking to somebody, face to face. Yeah, I don't know. 11:12:38 Hussein Bolt, telegraph, telephoneom, telephone, and tell a woman like the chat. 11:12:51 I'm sorry, Doug gonna have to give you that one. 11:12:53 I'm sorry, but you failed to improve our joke quality. 11:12:58 Yeah, all right, then, that's well. Thank you for the jokes and let's get started here. 11:13:03 Why don't you tell our audience a little bit about yourself and the company that you work for? 11:13:09 And your background, and so on, and so forth. 11:13:11 Sure sure. So my name is Anat Nulman. I'm the director of Business Development, and the company called Real Thing AI, and we are based out of Australia. 11:13:21 But we obviously have presence in the Us. As well as other countries, and we deal with artificial intelligence specifically, with voice technology. 11:13:31 We have a product that's called real Sam Pocket, which is a voice operated smartphone, which I understand will be talking today about. 11:13:39 And I would be quite unhappy to discuss that in more details, and show you how it works a little bit about me. 11:13:44 I've been working in assistive technology for about 9 years. 11:13:48 I've worked from out a company. And I've been with real thing, AI for about 2 years. 11:13:54 I live in California. I have 2 kids and a lot of animals 11:13:39 Awesome. That is good to you. I was just going to say what you say. 11:14:02 A lot of animals like I immediately think of, like cats, dogs, pigs, cows, chickens, like just you know, because usually someone say, like, I have a lot of cats. 11:14:12 Yeah. But when you just say general and animals, anyways, yeah, we're talking about here. 11:14:17 What animals do we have? Okay, one and a half. Did he say 11:14:27 Okay. That's much better than an actual half dog. 11:14:18 One and a half dogs, one and a half dogs, because the other dog lives with us half of the time, and we have 11:14:30 That's what I was a little worried about. Yeah. 11:14:30 And that doesn't count. The squirrels and the pigeons, and all beautiful animals that live in the 11:14:34 Oh, I'm assuming, though, that you don't keep those in the house, because that would be chaos. That would be gas 11:14:44 You never know 11:14:40 Not really. But you know, if we forget to close the doors, or and really and spirited chickens come inside to say Hello. 11:14:49 Yes. Does the half dog chase the squirrels at all? 11:14:54 How dog does! But the whole dog does. 11:14:53 That's what I'd like to see. And just drag itself across that's good to know. 11:15:01 Now I didn't. I didn't realize that real thing were based out of Australia. 11:15:06 So that's really cool. And do they do anything else? 11:15:09 Or is the real sum there? Only the only thing at the moment 11:15:13 Because we're voice technology company, will license our technology to third parties for a variety of applications. 11:15:21 But you would probably never hear about it, because it all happens in the background. 11:15:18 Okay, yeah, sure, that makes sense. 11:15:26 What you is in terms of consumers, things that are visible. 11:15:29 We have real Sam Pocket in the Us. And we have some of the products in other countries. 11:15:33 Very cool. So what were real thing doing the voice recognition technology before they created the real sum that 11:15:44 Yeah. 11:15:40 So as as real Sam, we've been around for over 10 years, and what happens is that our founders came from airspace and other industries in Australia, and one of their buddies named Graham Enas, who at the time was the Commissioner on disabilities in Australia came to his friends and said 11:15:59 listen. I am so tired of waiting 3 days until I can get an accessible newspaper Graham. 11:16:05 Is blind, he said. Can you help me out in this section? 11:16:09 We can whip up something for you. So we started basically as a media company changing, making media accessible to people who are visually impaired. 11:16:19 Cool. 11:16:23 Yeah, yeah. 11:16:19 Oh, we got invited to the Uk. Luke. You might want to hear that by Rna B. 11:16:27 Sure. 11:16:26 Royal National Institute for the Blind, and they wanted us to develop a product that's called Rna B. 11:16:40 Yeah. 11:16:32 In your pocket was a book player. So we did, but we used a cell phone as as a handset, as hardware, and we support cell phone. Let's make it a cell phone. 11:16:43 So that was kind of an evolution, and then pass forward. 11:16:44 That's very cool. 11:16:46 A few years later we came to the Us. Because we wanted to want a competitive bid from Nls to prototype some of their products. 11:16:53 Oh, very cool. 11:16:53 So we we have a contract with Nls. We're working with them, and then we also have the real some pocket which came from the Rna. 11:17:02 B. In your pocket, but it was a little bit of mouthful 11:17:04 Yeah. No. Truly. Yeah, no, that's very cool. So I assume that the real sun, then, is available in at least the Uk, and possibly other parts of Europe. 11:17:12 Is that the case? 11:17:13 At the moment it's available in the Uk and in the Us. 11:17:16 Okay. 11:17:17 And Google, I mean expanding our services and availability to other countries soon 11:17:21 Very cool. All right. Well, that's very informative. So the real Sam pocket, then, which I might just refer to as the real sum going forward here, why don't you tell us a little bit about the philosophy behind it, and so what kind of hardware we're talking about here? 11:17:39 And maybe even show us it on the camera there as well 11:17:41 Sure. So I'm holding the pocket here a real Sam pocket in my hand for those of you who can see you will see that the glaring difference between our cell phone and most other cell phones is that they're not visible apps. 11:17:55 The screen is almost empty. It has a, you know, little sound wave in the middle, and a logo that is just pretty element. 11:18:03 It has a little hamburger menu on the top left corner, which can be expended, and it has a large top to talk button at the bottom of the screen. 11:18:15 So this is a voice operated device, which means all you do is you tap on this button at the bottom of the screen and tell what you want it to do. 11:18:24 Yeah. That's Ok, though, I think we get the idea. 11:18:27 Yeah. 11:18:23 It's hiding because of my background. So I can just stop and say, What is the time 11:18:34 The time is 18 min past 9 11. On Thursday, January the nineteenth, 2,023, I'm in California. 11:18:39 There we go. Yes. So yeah, that makes perfect sense. Hmm. 11:18:41 So I'm 2 h ago, not now, you know. So this behind the phone, we exist because one simple reason, some of the commercially available phones are not acceptable to some people like you mentioned earlier 75 83% that you see say that it's hard for them 11:19:01 To use commercially available phones, which are great, and they have a lot of functionality for those who can use. 11:19:07 But for those who can't we have a solution out which is real. 11:19:11 Sampocket. It is easy to use phone. All you really do is you tap on this large button and you tell it whole. 11:19:17 Luke, send a message to Aaron. What is the time? 11:19:20 Read me a book with the title, The Old Man and to see, you know. 11:19:24 Listen to radio. So we have a limited set of functionality in terms of hardware, and we use a Samsung galaxy phones with our software on them. 11:19:35 So below the experience or users interact with real Sam as opposed to android. Which is, it's android based phone. Because we offered this voice interface as opposed to visual interface, was kind of an afterthought of existibility on commercially available phones 11:18:57 Yeah, so basically, if somebody buys the real son, what they're getting is the phone. 11:19:56 And when they boot the phone they are going to go straight into this real-time interface, which, as you described and showed us, is a very simplified interface. 11:20:05 So you're not having to worry about dealing with all the apps and things like that, and in terms of service. 11:20:08 I believe that the phone is unlocked, and so you would be able to use whichever carrier that you wanted to. 11:20:15 But I assume that on your phone plan, you would need data because I'm assuming that this phone is using data when you are when you are talking to it and given it commands 11:20:22 That is correct. So there's some of the things that physically live on the phone and there's some things that physically live on the cloud. 11:20:28 So that conversational AI, the ability to talk to the phone actually lives on the cloud so in order to use the phone and use most of its functionality, it requires access to Internet which can come from data plan when you're out and about and your Wi-fi when you're sedentary at 11:20:46 your home office, or whatever you are. 11:20:48 Cool. That's awesome. And you had mentioned there that you know current cell phones. 11:20:53 So whether they be android phones or iphones, they do have voice activation features. 11:21:00 So you know, we've talked to Syria before on our show. 11:21:04 We've talked to the Google Assistant as well so there are things that you can do with an off-the-shelf smartphone at the moment in terms of voice control. 11:21:12 And so you did kind of mention briefly what sets the real summer part. 11:21:15 But if you just like to expand on that a little bit 11:21:17 Sure. So iphones are great android devices are great. 11:21:22 If you can use them, and we're not trying to compete with Siri or accessibility features or top back, we're offering a solution to those who can't use conventional phones successfully, because it's too complicated. 11:21:36 And it can be too complicated, because it's hard for people to do accessibility gestures, double tapping, triple tapping. 11:21:44 It's high to find little icons and move between them. 11:21:47 We simplified all of that. So the difference between real Sam Pocket and other phones is that there's only one button that you tap on, and you really don't even top. 11:21:58 You just put your finger on it, and you'll lift up your fingers so there is no ever double tapping at triple tapping. 11:22:04 So it's very simple for somebody who further has maybe dexterity issues, maybe don't have lamps so you can tap with whatever it doesn't have to be a finger. 11:22:12 You can talk with your knuckle, you can sound check, we can. 11:22:16 You can add with tiles, band and then you just talk to the phone and you ask it to do what you want it to do. 11:22:22 Would you have 3 sets of functionality? So that includes communications, content, and tools? 11:22:31 The communication is real ability to make and receive phone call, send and receive text messages by voice the phone has access to email, which is lives on the provider network. 11:22:42 Yes. 11:22:41 And you can add contacts by voice, which is one of the challenges, was an iphone at the moment, because you can't really add context by voice, and it can show you later how easily it's done on on the pocket 11:22:51 Yeah, and that's definitely something that I did want to highlight, because it is a pretty big deal. 11:22:57 And we've talked about this on the show before. How, with an iphone, you can, you know, hands-free, say, Hayesi call, you know, whoever and the firm will do that, and that's great. 11:23:09 But yeah, when it comes to something like adding a contact which you would have thought would be something that shouldn't be too hard to kind of program. 11:23:13 It's just not available on Android or on the iphone. 11:23:17 So definitely, that's one of the features with the real sun that I think is really neat. 11:23:22 Yeah, what do you think? Are, yeah, I mean, yeah, absolutely. I think you know the ability to, you know on those other devices you can always speak the actual number, which is a workaround. 11:23:33 But you know it's hard to remember all of these ph phone numbers. 11:23:38 And so it's natural to want to add contact. Exactly. 11:23:40 So, being able to do it independently, and I guess for some reason I can kind of see on the other devices when you're you know, when you if you ever go into a contact, you can see there's so much in their birthday to address. 11:23:52 Phone, email so but but it would have been nice to at least been able to add a name to the phone number. 11:23:56 Yeah, exactly. And another another thing with the philosophy of this phone and that is that so that's slightly different is that when you're talking to the phone so I don't think there is a hands-free option, correct, me, if I'm wrong, you are going to be using that large button on the bottom of the 11:24:09 phone. And also if the phone asks you a question, you are also gonna hit that button before responding. 11:24:17 So anytime we want to talk to the film we're always hitting on that large tap to talk button at the bottom of the phone. Is that correct? 11:24:22 That is correct, and it was done as kind of a security privacy issue, because some of our customers did not want the phone to listen to them all the time. 11:24:32 Having said that it is something that we're working on, and in the future our users will have an option of hands-free. 11:24:39 They will be able to say, Hey, pocket, or something like that, and any sheets make sure that the phone listens to them so it could perform the task that they, asking it to do, or just the button 11:24:47 Yeah, yeah, and I can see the benefit of both. You know. 11:24:52 At first you might say. Well, geez! It you know hands-free would would make sense, and I think it does have a place. 11:24:59 But there is something about the consistency, especially on the when you, if you ask a question, and then it wants a follow-up answer having to tap to speak, having that consistency of every time I speak. 11:25:13 I tap really? Because with with with Syria and Google assistant, it can be kind of confusing sometimes when we work with clients where the hold down a button and say, Call Luke, and then they let go, and then it says you know to confirm you'd like to call Luke and then they 11:25:31 hold the button again down right, and it just gets kind of confusing when you when you didn't need to. 11:25:36 So, you know, making it intentional like that. I think there is definitely a benefit, I think consistency is definitely key for people who struggle with phones just having a consistent way to operate. 11:25:44 It is definitely very helpful. 11:25:45 And another thing, I want to point out is that while we developed the phone specifically for people who are visually impaired who may have low vision or maybe blind, we realize that because the phone phone constantly provides guidance, and it's relatively easy to use people who have memory conditions, and memory challenges 11:26:06 Sure. 11:26:04 really like our phone as well. So we're seeing more and more users may. 11:26:09 And maybe this may may not be visually impaired, but they have other conditions that prevent them from using regular phones, so that that matter of consistency is really really helpful for them as well 11:26:19 Yes, agreed. Yeah. Now, just quickly, if we purchase the phone, if I'm an end user and I purchase the phone I assume that all I need to do is take it out the box. 11:26:31 Make sure it's charged. Put my SIM card in, and I know it comes with a little SIM card tool that you can pop open the syndrome with, and then we're good to go right. 11:26:41 There's no other setup required. Is that correct or not? 11:26:43 Okay. 11:26:42 That's correct. We also recommend connecting it to your home Wi-fi. 11:26:46 If you come up, and other than that, that's it. 11:26:45 Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 11:26:57 Nice 11:26:49 It also comes with the case. It has a protective screen over on on the phone and it the LAN yards. So you can. If you worried about losing your phone, you have a linear that that you can use 11:27:03 Excellent. So just to clarify. There is no android setup, then, that that original, that kind of onboarding of android that you do with a brand new phone that's either been taken care of or is bypassed because it's going right in to real sam 11:27:16 We we do it on the back end before our users get the phone. 11:27:18 Perfect. 11:27:20 So we activate it. So we do all of that, because, you know, you can see, that's not always easy to do 11:27:25 Yeah, no, absolutely. I think that's a huge benefit. All right. I do like that. 11:27:30 It comes with the screen protector on it, because I have to say every time I try and put those things on, I always end up with so many air bottles up. 11:27:35 Yeah, exactly. I'm just awful at putting them on. 11:27:39 Okay. So I think that it's about time that we saw this thing in action. 11:27:44 What do you think calling? Yes, I am already all right. So and that we are gonna start off with whatever you want to start with. 11:27:52 I mean, I think the calling into texting are probably a good place to start. So did you want to maybe show us one of those 11:27:57 Sure sure I will show you how to make a phone call. 11:28:00 How to send a text message. And since we talked about contacts, I think that's also exciting. 11:28:04 Oh, yeah, for sure. That'd be great. Yeah. 11:28:06 And I'll tell you a little bit about some of the other features. 11:28:09 Okay. 11:28:09 Well, so to make a phone call, I can simply say, call a number, or I can say, call the contact. 11:28:16 So I already have a contact that's called my cell phone. 11:28:19 So I'm gonna top. And I'm gonna say. 11:28:22 Call my cell phone 11:28:26 Calling my cell phone, press the side button to cancel 11:28:31 Okay. So now we have a large dialpad that is talking. 11:28:36 It is calling my son, and if I put my finger on the dial pad it will tell me everything that's on it. 11:28:45 I think the screen went dark for a second. There we go. 11:28:53 And 11:28:54 Yeah. 11:29:00 I see very cool. 11:28:47 Yup, (408) 310-7903so if you need to get a hold of me, that's a good number, need to enter an extension number, you simply navigate your finger until you get to the number that it digit, and you lift it up and to hang up you have a very large 11:29:04 Hang of button at the bottom. Finger on it. 11:29:05 Yes. 11:29:08 It will tell you what's under it, and then you just lift up your finger and it will 11:29:11 Cool, and any time we need to use the top screen, we are using this kind of feel and then raise the type of method. 11:29:19 So we would leave our finger in contact with the screen until we've heard the thing that we're looking for, and then lift the finger to input or to activate that thing 11:29:28 Okay. Yeah. 11:29:27 That's correct. That's exactly correct. I think my virtual background is in. Yeah. 11:29:32 It's kind of messing with the phone screen a little bit. Yeah. 11:29:35 So let me. I'm gonna take it off. And you guys can see my beautiful white wall. 11:29:40 But so I can also add a contact. Right? 11:29:46 So let's say I want to add 11:29:46 And I'm sorry to button. But would you mind if I just ask a quick question here with regards to the calling? 11:29:50 Absolutely. Yeah. 11:29:53 Is it possible to ask to call somebody on Speaker Phone 11:29:57 Yes, so you can actually set up you can. You can set up in the settings so on on the left hand side, we have this hamburger menus. 11:30:09 If I put my finger on it, I basically it will draw large L for those of you who can't see. 11:30:12 That's okay. So what you would do, you would just move your finger from top left corner until the bottom left corner and then you go on the bottom from left to right, and it will open the mania so you hear the items you want and then release and then if you go to settings, okay, call number 11:30:28 Settings that's sitting menu. So how disabled! Start! 11:30:34 Call on Speaker, so I can set up how I want my behavior to be. 11:30:40 Start the phone on speaker or not by default. But I can also change that. 11:30:44 I'm gonna exit out of the menu. I can also change the specific behavior on it in any particular call. 11:30:54 So when we're in the call on the dial pad, the bottom right corner is the speaker, so you can type on and off absolutely. 11:30:58 Yeah. Ok, perfect one other question. If you don't mind. 11:31:03 So obviously, we're looking at a primarily voice activated phone here. 11:31:08 But I was wondering if a call comes in, whether you would answer that with the voice, or whether there's large buttons on the screen to answer a call. 11:31:16 Let me show you how it works. So I'm gonna call that my phone 11:31:17 Okay. Great. 11:31:23 Well from my cell phone pat back, set or press the side button to reject. 11:31:30 Yes, yes. 11:31:29 So accept is kind of takes about 30% of the screen where the top to talk is and reject is on the side. 11:31:34 Okay, that's cool. 11:31:35 So I accept it. 11:31:38 Yes, and now you're on the coal. Yeah. So that's really good. 11:31:41 So I mean, there's a good consistency there. The most important thing is, if you're using the screen is going to be in that bottom kind of third of the screen, so very easy to locate the important things depending on what you're doing that makes a lot of sense. 11:31:52 Alright! 11:31:54 Yeah, cool. And I like that. I like that. There's not really any gestures. 11:31:58 It's very natural. You're just touching the screen, whatever your finger is on is going to be spoken out loud, and then lift, and to activate. 11:32:07 And I say again the, as you said before, the thing to really remember is to keep that finger on that screen sliding it kind of explore by touch, and then don't lift until you actually hear what you want indeed, yeah, all right. 11:32:21 So I'm not. So you are about to talk about messages. 11:32:24 We do have a question in the chat here as well, and I know we might get to this in a little bit. 11:32:28 But Elizabeth ask when you dictate an email instead of typing it. 11:32:34 So I don't know if that's something you want to cover now, or maybe a little bit later. 11:32:35 But Elizabeth also asks if we can, I think she wants us to slow down. 11:32:42 The phone voice speed, if possible, because it may be a little fast to understand 11:32:44 Okay, absolutely. So I start with the second. So you can change voices and you can change the rate of speech. Yeah. 11:32:51 Ok. 11:32:52 And you can do it by touch. You will top on the top to talk, and you can say, Speak slower 11:33:02 Cool. 11:32:59 Okay. This is now my speech speed, and I can save multiple times. 11:33:05 I can say it again. Speak slower. Okay, this is now my speech. 11:33:12 Nice, good. 11:33:12 Speed. Yeah, I'm fully cited, but I've been working in the industry for so long that I don't even pay attention. 11:33:19 Yes. Yes. Yeah. 11:33:23 Nice 11:33:18 How fast my phones! I've discovered that I can listen to books 2 and a half speed right now, and my friends tell me it's too fast. 11:33:26 I'm like no normal. So I apologize for that. 11:33:30 I'm glad you mentioned question about email. So at the moment we don't have email, but it is something that we're working on our users get 2 years of free software updates. 11:33:39 So if you get the phone today, that doesn't have an email and 6 months down the road, we launch email. 11:33:45 We will simply push that update to your phone, and you can choose whether you would wanna use it or not. 11:33:49 Excellent. 11:33:50 So once we have an email functionality, you will be able to dictate the email at the moment. 11:33:57 It just doesn't exist yet. But it's something that we're definitely working on. 11:33:58 Sure cool. One thing I really like, too. I just wanted to mention when you tap the the speak button. 11:34:05 I really like that. It just goes right to a beep. 11:34:08 I'll be honest, I get really annoyed with the ones where it'll be like, yeah. 11:34:14 I listen after a yes, give your command. Once I make a beep that's happening in 3 s. 11:34:19 Yeah, I mean, a lot of times they they. It's almost 2 verbose. 11:34:23 And in the beginning I sort of get it. But then, after you've had the device for a while, except the way so you can get it, yeah, so I like that. 11:34:29 This, you know, just gives you a nice auditory sound. 11:34:32 It's obvious it's time to talk after that sound. 11:34:34 Yeah, and it's quick, agreed all right, I did. 11:34:37 You want to show some text messaging. Then 11:34:38 Yes, yes, so again I can send a message to contact, or I can send a message to a phone number just to mix it up. 11:34:46 I'm going to send it to my cell phone, which is also my contact. 11:34:49 Once I send a message. Once I ask for the phone to send a message. 11:34:53 It will basically repeat, and it will confirm that I actually want to send it or not, which is also great feature case. 11:35:00 You made a mistake. You can go and redo it. 11:35:01 Sure. 11:35:03 So with text messages, we can do it in 2 ways. 11:35:06 I can say. Send a message to Corey. Hey, Corey, what a gorgeous day! 11:35:11 Despite the fact that in Wisconsin, here in California, right? 11:35:16 Or I can say, send a message 11:35:21 What should the text message say? And now the phone is going to guide me through the process and tell me what I need to do. 11:35:28 Ok. 11:35:28 So I can say 11:35:32 What a gorgeous day! Exclamation Mark. Let's go to the beach period 11:35:38 Who do you want to send it to? 11:35:41 483-10-7903, 11:35:48 Your text message to my cell phone says what a gorgeous day! 11:35:52 Let go to the beach. Would you like to send it so? 11:35:56 If you notice, I set a phone number and it was repeating it said the message to my cell phone, because it's a contact that I registered. 11:36:04 Yep. 11:36:04 So it recognizes it so you can say, either contact or phone number. 11:36:06 Cool. 11:36:07 And if that's phone number is not stored, it will just repeat the number. 11:36:10 So now I'm going to tap and say yes. 11:36:15 Excellent. So, okay. 11:36:14 Message sign. I'm gonna show you that I actually received that in case you're wondering. 11:36:21 So here you go! 11:36:21 That's the proof. There's a few things I really like about this so far. 11:36:27 First of all, I like that it's there's a little bit of flexibility you know. 11:36:33 If somebody is a little more advanced being able to say, Send a message to Corey and give the message right off. 11:36:38 You like, boom right off. Yeah. Or you know the reverse being able to just say, Send a message, and on follow the steps. 11:36:46 I really the other thing I'm finding kind of interesting, too. 11:36:50 We talked a little bit ago about the consistency and tapping before talking for each time. 11:36:54 I think this this example you just gave us. Really, it makes it really evident to me, because sometimes it'll ask a question, and it immediately wants an answer, and sometimes the clients we work with they don't they don't think about it, and then it's like say again, I didn't hear you 11:37:13 But this one you really can kind of take your time you know, at you had that message ready to go, and then you talked to us for 30 s. 11:37:21 45, that thing, and then came back and said, yes, and that that's really you're having that time to think makes it a lot easier as well 11:37:26 Well, this is made possible by the type of technology we use. 11:37:33 So let me kind of spend. Maybe 30 s on external, because I think that's critical, and absolutely agree with what you guys say. 11:37:39 And in fact, everything we do is user driven. So we constantly ask for existing customers, feedback and potential customers, feedback folks like you who work with and customers so constantly get feedback from the field and the phone that you see today is not the same phone lunch 5 years ago, it has become much much 11:38:00 better not because we're smart, but because we ask our customers what they need and kind of try to understand our needs. 11:38:07 So in voice, and in voice technology, there's 3 levels. 11:38:12 So the most basic one is a VR which stands for automatic voice recognition. 11:38:15 This is when you call your doctor's office, and it says, say, a press one to schedule an appointment, say a press one to, you know. 11:38:21 Pay a bill, say, press 3 to to talk to your doctor. 11:38:26 Right, very, very basic, very, very limiting. The second line is voice commands, this is your Syria cartana. 11:38:32 Alexa, you ask one thing at a time. The device does it for you, and forgets that it ever did it. 11:38:39 It's very transactional. We use what it's called voice dialogue. 11:38:43 Voice dialogue allows for intelligent conversations between us as human beings and devices. 11:38:50 Computer. So the reason it was waiting for me and didn't forget and didn't ask me to to say the message or the name right. 11:38:57 It remembers it has a conversation with me rather than just the transaction. 11:39:03 So, for example, another example of it would be, let's say you are listening to a book, and then you phone rang. 11:39:09 You talk on the phone, and then we want to know what time it is. 11:39:13 So you tap on the phone and you say, What is the time and it will tell you the time. 11:39:17 And it says it looks like you were reading the murder. The Orient Express. 11:39:27 Trump. 11:39:20 Would you like to resume from where you stopped? So again, it helps keep people on track and remind them what they were doing and make going back to what they're doing? Easy 11:39:29 Yeah, that's a good bit of info. So thank you for that. 11:39:32 I never heard about those different types of voice recognition. Yeah, that's a good bit of info. 11:39:37 There, now, if we want to read, have a text message read aloud to us. 11:39:41 I'm assuming that we can have the phone. Do that also. 11:39:44 Is that true 11:39:44 Absolutely. So let me send a message back. So I'm gonna reply to going to the beach 11:39:50 No, not today. It's raining. It's knowing, is it? 11:39:52 Oh, that's a shame! 11:39:57 Snowing up there 11:39:58 No, it's actually quite mild, appear surprisingly, it has been raining there. 11:40:02 Yeah. Yeah. So we've had a really mild January. That's been great. Apophenia. Cold snap in December has been nicer 11:40:13 Ok. 11:40:09 So while you guys were talking, my phone said, text message received and I'm not sure if if you or or the listeners or participants hurt us. 11:40:19 But now, that's okay. That's okay. 11:40:19 I think we were talking over it. That sounds about right 11:40:22 I'm so happy it's not knowing, because, as California I I can't rub my head around when it's gets really, really cold. 11:40:29 That's why I like to visit you guys in the summer. 11:40:31 There you go! 11:40:32 So now I can top, and I can say messages 11:40:44 Thinking hard. 11:40:41 So it's doing the sticking some. It's thinking I don't always have the best reception at my house. 11:40:47 So that's why it's doing this 11:40:49 Thinking, thinking, thinking. 11:40:53 Whoo! 11:40:51 You have 10 and red messages. Initial 5 of the 89, one. 11:40:56 Oh, right, that's good. Last day of your men. 43 h and 30 min ago, from 6, 7 0 0 2 red text in only 2 days left on 3 days ago from 6 7 0 0 3. 11:41:13 I'm right tucked in there, I mean 7, Dave trial 67 min. Me a little bit 11:41:26 So a lot of messages. I we get the idea. I think we get the idea. 11:41:24 Been able to 35 days ago. For myself, number one 11:41:32 Yes. Yeah. 11:41:33 I'm right. That's good. Last day of your man. 11:41:38 Trial upgrade to a full plan right in the app and choose the monthly data amounts that fits your needs, cancel 11:41:46 So I can, I can interact with my messages. I can delete them. 11:41:52 I can reply to them. You know I can do all kinds of stuff that you would do with regular text messages 11:41:57 I've got to ask the as it was going through. 11:42:01 It was read, and in at least in the sample. When it was reading all 10, there it was, using a male voice, for, like the little you know, sample, there is that something that you can. 11:42:13 True. Actually, that was a really that that voice was super. It's on it, really human. 11:42:17 Yeah, but I'm just curious. Is that something that you can kind of? 11:42:21 You were mentioning before about switching voices is that one of the options 11:42:21 Yes. Great question. So there is a thing that's called auditory contrast. Right? 11:42:29 It's like for sighted people. We have visual contrast, black and white. 11:42:33 Here we have auditory contrast, male and female. 11:42:36 So, if your devices, voice, main voice is female, there's certain things that will be said in male voice. 11:42:46 Hmm. 11:42:44 Just so our users pay attention, so, for example, when you're saving a contact when it repeats the form number in the name, it will be in contrasting voice here the message itself is in a contrasting voice to differentiate the message itself from instructions, because sometimes it could be confusing so 11:42:59 That is done on purpose, and that actually came as a direct feedback from our customers. 11:43:04 I have to say that's a real smart idea. It's it really is. 11:43:07 I'm thinking about, you know a screen reader on windows computer and a new screen reader user. 11:43:13 So many times you have to listen to what yeah, they're like what you say, even just got a going on to an icon on the desktop this PC. 11:43:21 2 of 10 like, what did it just say, all right. No idea, yes, but having that con. 11:43:25 Yeah, it does draw your how long? In a web browser the element. 11:43:30 So in a different voice, to the name of the element how well you are! And I think I actually think in jars, you, you can go through and sell all that up. 11:43:38 But you need to show me, but I mean I like it right out of the box. 11:43:42 I think it's a brilliant idea 11:43:44 And in terms of voices. We again you can change voice so you can tap, and you can say, change voices, alright, change voice. 11:43:52 You can use one of the following voices, Hello, I am Voice number one. 11:43:57 Hello, box number one. 11:43:59 My voice. Number 2. Hello! I am voice number 3. Hello! I am voice number 4. 11:44:05 Hello! And voice number 5. Please select one, or say next for more. 11:44:11 So anytime we have a list of more than 6 items. 11:44:15 We group them in groups of 5 again, to make it easier for our users to to understand. 11:44:21 So our first 5 voices are American, the other 5 voices. 11:44:25 Luke, you're gonna love those next 11:44:28 Sure you can use one of the following voices, Hello, I'm voice number one. 11:44:35 I think I know her. 11:44:35 Hello! Oh, it's number 2. Hello! I have voice number 4. 11:44:41 Love, accent. 11:44:42 Hello! I'm voice number 5 11:44:45 Awesome. So good. Voices. Yeah, very nice to high quality voices. I'm impressed 11:44:50 Yeah. And with those voices, you know again, we have a good combination, a good, a range of male and female voices, high-paid flowpage because some of our users have, you know, mild hearing impairments more graver hearing impairments and sometimes there's also 11:45:07 just a preference for a voice, so our users can choose whatever voice that suits their needs, and they can hear best 11:45:12 Very nice, all right. We're already out of time here. I don't know. 11:45:16 This happens every time. Time. Just goes so fast. We are either the best interviewers now or the worst. Anyway. 11:45:21 But yeah, I definitely would like to make sure that we cover a couple of things. 11:45:28 And one of those things is adding a contacts. Just yeah, let's do that quick, just because that is so important. 11:45:33 And I had a request afterwards. I have a question. Okay, Gama, upfront with this. 11:45:37 So I just wanted to ask you cause this pops into my head while I was thinking about this earlier. 11:45:42 If somebody calls you, and they're not in your contact list, is it possible to add their number to your contact list? 11:45:49 Using voice commands. 11:45:50 Yes, you can. So once you go, you go to your call log, and then you can add it from there 11:45:54 Ok, okay, is that with that we're using the took screen, though, rather than the it's all by voice. Ok, that's awesome. 11:45:59 No, it's all by voice. Oh, by the way, you know, another thing with context that is really good, that our customers love is that we have a companion website which is called Customer Portal, you cannot ask the phone for your portal login details. 11:46:14 Nice 11:46:14 They're always on the phone, so you can just say, what's my portal login? 11:46:18 It will give you, URL, your username and your password, and if you have a list of contacts you can just upload a file, or if you have, you know, family member or caretaker, or somebody that's helping the user out, they can do it for the user, and it will just sync with 11:46:31 Cool. 11:46:34 That's brilliant. Yeah, that's good. 11:46:33 The phones and that's another way. Good contact. Let me let me show you how to add a contact right again, like with the voice message. 11:46:42 You can just say it all at once, or you can do it step by step. 11:46:44 So since we, since we did text messages step by step, let me do it all at once. 11:46:49 Ok. 11:46:49 So I can say, get a contact, Luke. (123) 456-7890 11:46:59 Contact, saved contact. Name Luke number (123) 456-7890. 11:47:16 That's pretty cool, faster. 11:47:07 You can call text change, name or number. Delete or safe finish to continue again contrasting voice gave instructions of what you can do, and if you didn't, you didn't hear you correctly, you can you can fix it right. Away. 11:47:23 I'm going to delete it because I made up the number. 11:47:25 Obviously Ali say yes, to confirm that you want to delete Luke. 11:47:32 Yes. 11:47:35 On top 11:47:35 You know. Foley, I'm muted you because you're deleted that is my actual telephone, and it's also the combination of my luggage. 11:47:48 Well, next time we do this show I'll put you a real number 11:47:49 Now, okay, so that's really cool. I love. I love the ability to do it all real fast, like that, too. 11:47:56 Again. I think it really works towards individuals who might be a little bit quicker, but also have the ability you know, to slow it down, for people who want to go step by step. 11:48:06 Yeah, and it will say, I mean, it does like some of the more advanced features. 11:48:08 So I don't think we can add additional numbers or email addresses or physical addresses and things like that. 11:48:16 That's right. You can only just add a name and a number. 11:48:18 Yeah. 11:48:18 Correct. Yeah, name on the number. And if a person has 2 different numbers, then you'll create, you know, a network. 11:48:22 2 separate 2 different one. Sure. And I think that's okay. Yeah. 11:48:25 Yeah, in New Jersey, and then in the future we will do more. 11:48:30 But again, this phone is supposed to be a simple phone you know, there's always this balance between how much you put on it and how simple it is. 11:48:37 Yes. 11:48:37 So we always have to balance that. But you know, because it's because it's not visual. 11:48:44 There's no visual clutter. We we are constantly adding new features, and then some of our users just use real sam pocket just to make phone calls and maybe send text messages. 11:48:53 Yeah. 11:48:54 Others, use everything, and I wanted to mention that it does have quite a bit of additional functionality. 11:49:00 You can listen to books, you can listen to radio newspapers podcasts. 11:49:04 There are tools like, where am I? What's around here? 11:49:08 Outdoor locations, and we have specific tools for people, who are visually inherent. 11:49:21 Nice. That's cool 11:49:11 So we have be my eyes on the phone. If a digital magnifier, we have Ocr, which is ability to read text that reads handwriting, which is very, very exciting, because, as you guys know, there's very few devices out there that can do that and even fewer that can do it well, and 11:49:27 We have object, recognition. 11:49:29 Very cool, collie. I think you wanted to. I have a question where I'm going to put you on the spot, and not if you don't mind. 11:49:36 So you mentioned podcasts now, are you able to search directories like, if we said, we wanted to listen to vision forwards, tech, connect, which we do have a podcast you might not have known that I might not talking to you? 11:49:53 Are you able to, you know, request a specific show like 11:50:00 Okay. 11:49:57 I'm not sure if you guys actually here yet, and if not, I can you but let's check. 11:50:03 Let's call vision forwards. 11:50:04 Tech connect 11:50:06 Listen to vision forwards, tech, connect, podcast. 11:50:15 There is no station. And now 11:50:10 Come on, keep it cool. That's all right. We'll get added 11:50:19 See, it's just going back, and we're choosing voice. 11:50:24 Oh, that's funny! 11:50:23 So it's still remembered that I was choosing voice. So and now I'm gonna go out of it, cancel 11:50:28 So where is it searching for those podcasts? Then where is it searching for those podcasts 11:50:33 I'm sorry, so we we have several podcast, sources. 11:50:46 Ok. 11:50:39 So we have BBC Podcasts, we have Npr Podcasts, and we have the real Sam collection, which is our own curated collection of podcasts from the community. 11:50:49 So after this, let's get together. Send me your Rs. 11:50:53 Feed and move little edges. 11:50:54 Thank you. We're definitely not on BBC. Or Npr. As far as I know. 11:50:57 So. No, we should be, though we don't make sure we are definitely high brow well, yeah, we will be on wheel sum, and that's good enough for us. 11:51:06 Okay, so that's awesome. I wonder? So we only have 10 min left. 11:51:11 Yeah, I'm almost thinking, I mean, either. Either we like maybe highlight. 11:51:16 One more thing, or we even talk about if in, interested, maybe we do a part, 2 coming up soon too. Just there is a lot we miss. 11:51:25 But but what do you? I'd be curious. You know my 2 things from a blindness perspective. 11:51:30 I think the GPS like, where am I would be interesting, and maybe a point around me are then, or also maybe using something to read, the Ocs. 11:51:40 As I'm not whether it might be better to do a second part to this. 11:51:44 If you are open to coming on a second time, and we could dive into some of those other features, how would you feel about that? 11:51:48 I would be more than happy to come back and show you everything, and by that time we may have some new functionality because we work. 11:51:54 Awesome. Yeah, I think. Well, I think we should definitely do that. 11:51:56 Thank you. 11:51:57 Then it would have been really awkward if and that was like, I'm not coming on this show again. Forget it. 11:52:00 But she still could go stuff, I mean, you never know I have to, but I do think we really scratch the I think we we showed a lot of its very basic features, which are probably the ones that are going to use. 11:52:12 Most often. Yeah. But I do know that individuals would be interested in some of those more advanced. 11:52:18 You know. How are you handling some of those more advanced things? 11:52:20 So I think, rather than us, trying to rush something through. 11:52:23 I agree? Let's be a good idea. Yeah, for sure. 11:52:26 Yeah. 11:52:24 I want to mention a couple of things about sort of availability of real some pocket. 11:52:30 I'm assuming that most of the most of the folks are joining now from Wisconsin, but because it's going to be recorded, there will be folks from other parts of the country. 11:52:39 So if you are a veteran and you qualify for veteran benefits, and you're interested in real Sam Pocket. 11:52:47 Talk to your Va. Talk to you this coordinator you may be you may be eligible to get it for free, so we've been working with many vas. 11:52:55 We're not available every single Va. But the list grows on the weekly basis. 11:52:59 Perfect. 11:53:00 We have some financial resources available, not in Wisconsin, but in few other States. 11:53:06 So if you're low income and have qualifying disability, you may qualify for phone for free. 11:53:11 Please, check our website, which is real. Sam Re. Als, A. 11:53:16 M.dot.us, and the phone is obviously available through vision. 11:53:23 Forward Tokyo, Luke. Dr. Corey talked to the staff, and they will be able to demo it for you. And if you have any questions, contact any one of us, and we are more than happy to coordinate Demos and answer any questions 11:53:37 And then that what is your email address for our viewers? 11:53:41 So they know how to contact you directly 11:53:42 Yeah, my email addresses are not a at real thing. 11:53:48 Dot AI 11:53:49 All right, and could you also? Just I don't think we mentioned it. 11:53:53 What is the current retail price for those that might need to pay for it straight out? 11:53:58 What? What's the current retail price 11:54:00 It's it's a one time payment of 1399, $1,400 11:54:04 That includes the phone. And you said, in 2 years of free software updates, correct 11:54:08 Correct. Correct includes the phone charging cable wall, plug screen protector case and a linear and a little simple 11:54:15 Perfect, wonderful, awesome, all right. Well, for now I think we will wrap it there. 11:54:20 We've covered some great stuff, and there is more to come as well so, and thank you very much for coming on the show, and being an excellent guest. 11:54:28 Oh, just so, hold on a second. We may have a comments in the Youtube let me ask, okay, Jonathan. Yes, shoot. So, Mr. 11:54:36 Jonvan, first off, you should know. People are quite excited about being able to add a contact from being cold and and going through logs and doing it also, I'm sure. 11:54:45 Yeah, 2 questions. And these are likely going to have to be topics for Part 2. 11:54:48 If we do that, we have questions about, how does Ocr operate on this device? 11:54:56 Okay, and some general like, well, hold on. Is there a built-in screen? 11:55:00 Reader on the phone is how does it compare to how the iphone and Android might like it? Is it? 11:55:06 Is it in some way tailored better, and or limitations that might be relevant? 11:55:11 Yeah, so those are the 3 things people like the contacts. 11:55:15 Yeah. Ocr, yeah. And is there a built-in screen okay, so for the Ocr, we'll definitely cover that in the next session for the screen, reader, I mean, I think the general point is that you want not interacting with Ios, or with the android operating system it appears not to 11:55:26 Be, a not. Please tell us if we're wrong, but it appears to me that it's not a gesture-based screen, reader, that you would see with Voiceover, or talk badly, but it's a more explorer by touch whatever your finger slides over is going to be spoken lift to 11:55:40 actually. And then the gesture to bring up that main menu kind of drawing an L on the screen is that is that sound about right for kind of for the screen, reader. 11:55:52 Tha tha, that's that's correct. There is no need actually, for a screen, reader, because it's a voice operated operating system. 11:56:00 So it by default. It's it's already by voice, so there's no need. 11:56:04 There's not much on the screen now in the future. 11:56:07 Not every single feature is voice operated. Some of the features, you would need interact with the screen. 11:56:15 But I guess we can talk about that more, and next time 11:56:16 True, yes, all right. Good stuff. So yes, for those on Youtube who are searching for more answers that we haven't answered yet. 11:56:24 Then make sure that you tune in to our next episode, which we want. 11:56:27 We'll have to talk with you and that's about when that's going to be. 11:56:31 And obviously we will push out an email to let people know to people in the zoom same thing that I just said to the people in Youtube, yeah, join us in that. 11:56:40 And the next session we will look at the remainder features of the phone. 11:56:45 In the meantime, if you would like to get more questions answered, then you can always get in touch with Annette, and or you can give us a call, or whatever you would like to do and with that being said, and that we will say again, thank you very much for coming on, and it's being great and we 11:57:02 Look forward to seeing you at the next time, and to everybody else who don't forget our Youtube channel. 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Vision forward, tech, connect. And with that being said, and that thank you again. 11:58:08 Audience, thank you. Very much, and you can join us alive on our show again in 2 weeks time. 11:58:13 Yeah, when we will be talking about it would be a skimming Cory baller. 11:58:18 Yes, scream, reader, you're gonna be giving me tasks on the Internet. 11:58:23 Yes, things I don't know how to do. Well, okay, things I've never done before, and I'm going to talk through how I'm doing it. 11:58:29 Yeah, so that you can have maybe a brief glimpse into the chaos that I call my head, and how I how I use a screen reader on the Internet. 11:58:38 I think it'll actually be quite informative. I think so too. 11:58:42 So yes, if you are a fledgling screen, reader. User. 11:58:45 Oh, an experience screen reader, user, or you have no interest in screen readers. 11:58:48 It doesn't matter because it's going to be entertaining, anyway, so there'll be jokes. 11:58:52 They'll be jokes, so make sure to join us in 2 weeks time for that. 11:58:55 So the official title of that is how to be a good screen reader. Person. 11:58:58 Yes, how to be a Corey valid screen reader. 11:59:01 User with a screen reader. And your name's Cork. 11:59:05 Very good title, so organ on that we really are. This opportunity to put in suggestions to the Channel as well. Oh, that's right. 11:59:13 Yeah. 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Transcript 11:04:02 Welcome to vision, forwards, tech, connect, live, connecting you to the world of assistive technology. 11:04:08 And now here are your hosts Corey and Luke Hello, I'm. 11:04:15 Welcome by to another sighting talk. Live your number one show. 11:04:22 Fall learning about cooking today, at least. Yes, yeah. is your Mike on? 11:04:26 I hope so. Oh, okay, I don't know can anybody hear me Yeah, now, you're fine. i'd start Hello! 11:04:32 Everyone producer jonathan is out today. yeah so it's like we completely forgot how to do half of the stuff. 11:04:43 So it's only been that, like a few weeks since he stand up over doing that stuff as well. 11:04:46 Although last week we weren't on you we weren't I didn't have audio on Youtube, right Now that we can blame. 11:04:50 Well, let's blame producer johnny Why, don't blame. but today we should be good. hopefully. 11:04:57 We can't even monitor Youtube so we're hopefully There's a hopper. 11:05:01 Let us know if you can hear us. Yeah, so if you chat please do comment on Youtube, but we can't read them. 11:05:07 So just comment between each other You know that's that's what being social is all about. 11:05:11 You know what I is is related to social things. coin no Thanksgiving. 11:05:17 Yes, yeah, and you know what we're talking about today. 11:05:19 Christmas. exactly. Now, i'm guessing we're talking about thanksgiving. 11:05:26 Yes, today. we're going to be looking at how to safely, effectively, and tastefully creating tasteful. So there's a double meaning. 11:05:39 I like exactly creates your Thanksgiving meal, and to do so because Corby and I know nothing about well, anything really, but especially know nothing about cooking. 11:05:48 But luckily we have a accessibility, a cooking expert in the house. 11:05:54 Please raise your hands and give a firm run of applause for rose visa. 11:05:59 Hello, Rose, how are you today? Are you doing as you can see roses coming live from the Italian kitchen that we have here? 11:06:07 Yes, see, pretty specifically said, If I come on your show I must be in Italian kitchen. Yeah. 11:06:13 So we worked really hard to build. I did a great job thank you for just like I don't I mean i'm not exactly sure what makes a kitchen. 11:06:20 I made a I tried making a joke and realize quite quickly I said, Oh, I know it is. 11:06:28 Put an Eiffel Tower in there yeah you pointed out that that's right. 11:06:32 I don't know what makes an italian kitchen but well, I do. 11:06:34 What's that? if you have an italian person in your kitchen, Then it's an italian kitchen. 11:06:39 Good point that's true, so an italian kitchen can be anywhere. 11:06:42 Pretty much. Yeah, It's It's wherever you think It is Yeah, that's where it is. Do you have any Italian blood in you at all. 11:06:48 I do not know. I just like that. The kitchen is spacious, and lots of marble, lots of space to work, I guess nothing less. 11:06:54 And I can't we put this together, using ira so yeah, I built it. 11:06:59 He built my own thing again. Yeah. Only this morning this potatoes just this morning you did the carving of the marble. 11:07:09 Yeah, very talented for the moment. let's switch back to our view, because we have to, of course, do the all important job time. 11:07:15 We do just before we do the call. you recommended me. 11:07:20 A book in it was called Project Hale Mary. Yeah. by a gentleman by the name of Andy Weir. 11:07:25 That is correct, and he also wrote the Martian don't know if anybody has read the book. 11:07:28 All seen in the movie of the Martian i've been reading through the book, and so far I've been enjoying reading it. 11:07:35 But i've found the main character to be you know not not to my my shell. 11:07:42 No depth so it's definitely like we said before it's definitely a I don't want to say a fluff. read, but it's like a read for pleasure you're you don't you're not going to 11:07:50 walk away with any real deep. Yeah, but is a enjoyable to read on the lesson. 11:07:55 Query the I don't want to spoil the plot too much. 11:07:57 But during the course of his adventures our lead character comes across an alien and the alien that happens to be blind. 11:08:05 Yeah, and well, he whole species are you know it's not just him. 11:08:11 And yeah, But he is able to quote unquote, c. 11:08:13 Through the use of very advanced listening capabilities. Yes, almost echo location style. 11:08:18 Yeah, it seems like I mean, they know they ever really go super deep in depth about it. 11:08:21 But I mean there's points or he's listening across you know huge amounts of space. 11:08:28 So obviously he's got Yeah, some super yeah here definitely seems to be an echo location which reminded me of that guy who does the echo location. 11:08:36 I'm sure you aware of him yeah you know i've never been able to do like I under. I definitely use pieces of that traveling like you can sort of hear when you walk past something or doorways, but some people are like just amazing with 11:08:49 that echo location, and I know this makes those noises. 11:08:54 I forget his name subtly, but the he has a Ted Talk. 11:08:57 And yeah, he makes those noises as he goes around to help him navigate. 11:09:02 If any of our audience does that, then please let us know in the chat, because the chat is where we like to chat. 11:09:07 The chat is where it's air that's right as a as the kids are saying now, so please do put into the chart anything really but definitely your experiences with with cooking. 11:09:21 We would like to hear about those so sign a desperation. 11:09:26 Anything is good. If you have any cooking tips of your own, we would love to hear those. 11:09:31 If you yourself have read a project Hail, Mary you can put your thoughts about that into the chat, and obviously jokes as well, because we do like jokes on the show, and let's get over to the jokes. 11:09:43 Now Callie, Let's tell our Joke first of all Okay, this is not Thanksgiving related. 11:09:45 It's not time related. this Yeah, okay, here goes the joke everybody, and I was included. If you know the answer to the show grows in Feel free to to shout out here. 11:09:57 So here's the joke Why did the man stop eating clocks. 11:10:05 Why did the man stop eating box? i'm sure they were pretty tasty, so I can't think of any good reason why he would want to. 11:10:13 But attacker. Hmm! hands, body! Why, did the man stop eating clocks? 11:10:19 I don't know. Rose, to you we have any idea I have no idea where he ran out of time or something that's actually pretty good. 11:10:26 I'll say good not the answer but you're you're close, though. 11:10:29 Yeah, you're on the right you're on the right track track here? 11:10:33 Yeah time. The answer is because it was too time consuming. 11:10:42 Yeah, I get that you reached over for ourselves I was reaching that wasn't the button I was reaching that wasn't the button I was reaching, for since I got here in the chat said he had second thoughts and also in the chat 11:10:58 from Paula. What do you get when you cross a turkey with a ghost? 11:11:03 So Thanksgiving themed here to keep with the ghosts. 11:11:06 Someone was going to say a gobble. no yeah a paltry guy. 11:11:16 So i've forgotten all and follow thank you very always look forward to those. All right. 11:11:23 Well, what was we gonna be handing the the reins over to you, so to speak? 11:11:29 And I myself am just the worst chef on the planet. 11:11:34 And Corey. I know that you are the cook of your family. but I did disclose to me that you have the same meals on meditation every week, which is also what I do. 11:11:41 As well. Yeah, Well, that's a I know that rose is much best So we are in good hands, and we're going to start off rows. 11:11:47 We are going to be going through the process of making your Thanksgiving meal. So we need to start the start here, and the start is accessing the recipe. 11:11:59 Okay, yes. how are we gonna do it? So there's lots of different ways that you can do that for thanksgiving time. 11:12:05 A lot of us have our favorite family recipes that we follow. 11:12:08 Or maybe we want to try a new recipe this year, so we may. 11:12:12 We have to be able to access that recipe and there's lots of different ways that you can do that one way is to use a device called the Pen Friend. 11:12:21 I don't know if you've heard of the pen friend before, but it looks like this. 11:12:24 It's actually an odd labeler it's a very simple device. 11:12:28 And That's what I like about it there aren't a lot of buttons on it, so just a few buttons on the front. 11:12:34 They're bright yellow. So if you have some vision you can kind of see the contrast with them. 11:12:37 This device comes with some different labels. it comes with magnetic labels. 11:12:44 You also get some special stickers that have technology built into them that go along with this device. 11:12:51 So, for an example, how you would use this to record a recipe. 11:12:54 You could have your recipe written on a recipe card, or maybe in a recipe book, and then you would put one of your little stickers from the pen friend on the card, and then you can record a message or a 11:13:08 recipe. Maybe the name of the item you're trying to cook maybe some little tips about how to cook it. 11:13:13 You would record that onto that label i'm going to turn on my device and just show you there's a power button that you just hold down until it beeps makes a beeping sound i've recorded a 11:13:22 message onto this little Sticker and we're going to simply touch the device to that label, and we're going to listen to what we have recorded. 11:13:32 Betty Crocker, milk, chocolate, Brownie. 11:13:35 Mix 3 tablespoon's rock so I won't go through all of it. 11:13:40 But you can hear how it's listing all the things I recorded the ingredients, the directions any important information that you want. 11:13:47 So that's great voice was always gonna have a friend yeah I was gonna say, that was my voice something different when it's recorded. 11:13:56 Yeah, I would not. I was gonna say the same thing like, where did you download that problem? 11:13:59 Well, as I want you to just recall that every recipe, so everybody can have the pleasure listening to that. 11:14:04 I have to put my own work on hold while it's playing Rose? 11:14:10 Are you able to pause it you can't pause it so like if I were to hit the power button again, it's all or nothing. 11:14:18 Okay. So Yep. Yep. So if you wanted to do it one way, you could potentially do it if you wanted. 11:14:24 Steps would be multiple stickers. That right step. one step, 2 Yep. 11:14:27 So you could have multiple stickers on this recipe card or I've had some people that will have a little notebook with multiple stickers on it, and they just keep their recipes in that little notebook sure so that's a 11:14:36 great way to do it, too, yep so that's 1 one device I love it again. 11:14:41 It's a simple device, another way that you could access recipes, especially on food packages. 11:14:48 A lot of packages will have a recipe on the side. 11:14:52 I have some stove top stuffy mix here delicious things giving staple of the package. 11:15:03 It'll have the recipe so if you can't quite remember. 11:15:05 Can't see the tiny print on that you could put this recipe or this box inside of a ziploc bag and put a Penfront lab on the outside. 11:15:14 You also can use apps to access that print recipe So there's the scene. Ai app for iphones and the new lookout one is that the name of it? 11:15:25 Yeah, right for your android device. but that's a great way to use your phone to be able to read the print. 11:15:31 That's on a food package. if you have those apps though you do know that there's some quirks to them right? 11:15:38 Yeah, fine in the park code, you typically can be yeah, difficult or getting it to read. 11:15:42 Sometimes i've done that with seeing ai and try to read the directions, and it'll say like pre heat to. and then you know the numbers all messed up, you know nothing i'm supposed to preheat to 800 or 11:15:53 35. So sometimes you got to check a couple times yeah to make sure it's accurate. 11:15:58 Yeah, So there's some low quirks with that or if things are written in like a chart or a table. 11:16:05 The app doesn't not necessarily read down the chart right So it reads, Yeah. cross, and can jumble up your words. 11:16:10 We did a video past video. Jesus must be a probably over 2 years. 11:16:16 At this point. we need a video about accessing bar codes, remember. And one of the things we did was using a computer and the directions for me website, where you could look up bar codes or just type in the name of the 11:16:29 product. and then you got a nice if your screen read or user on the computer or magnification, you got all the instructions right there to review as well. 11:16:39 I like directions for me, because, like you said, it kind of lays out the recipe very simply. 11:16:43 It gets rid of all the visual clutter so if you're looking up a recipe online there's so many ads and visual clutter. 11:16:51 Yeah. So directions for me. keeps it really simple and If you have some vision as spaces out the lions nicely, too. it makes it easier to read. 11:16:59 So yeah, that's a good one. your digital assistance to can be very helpful for looking up recipes. 11:17:08 Your Amazon echo Google home all of those are great ways to look up a recipe as well, and I love those because they'll do. 11:17:14 And again we did a past session on it, but all 3 of them the home pod that Google home, the Amazon echo, will do the steps, you know. give you time to purchase a step. 11:17:28 And then you just say next, or whatever next step and it gives you the next step in the recipe. 11:17:31 So that's really cool to it doesn't just throw it all at you. 11:17:34 Yeah, that's a great way. great way to do it that I love the digital assistance. 11:17:37 They're greed in the kitchen you can Set timers and use them for a lot of different tasks. or if you're just trying to look up something quick like a measurement. 11:17:47 Conversion can be helpful for that, too, just to look up important information. 11:17:51 So they were great. video magnifiers are also helpful. 11:17:55 If you have a favorite cookbook at home, and you can't quite read the recipe you have some vision. 11:18:02 But you're having trouble seeing the words there are portable video magnifiers that you can get there's lots of different kinds. 11:18:10 But in general how they work is they use a lot of kind of higher technology. 11:18:15 They have buttons where you can magnify what you're looking at. 11:18:18 So this one it's. called the explorer 8 and you would rest it right on your cookbook recipe, and then you can make the print bigger or smaller. 11:18:26 But what's nice, too, is you can adjust the contrast of what you're looking at. 11:18:30 So if you prefer white words on a black background to really make the words stand out. 11:18:37 Something like this can be helpful and it's portable so it's nice to bring it into the kitchen. 11:18:41 Set it on your recipe book and just kind of slide it along, and just the magnification and content. 11:18:48 There are bigger versions of these called desktop magnifiers. 11:18:51 Those aren't as portable so you have to have them kind of resting, setting on a table in your kitchen. 11:18:58 But for those who get a bigger screen, so those can be very helpful with the place in your recipe book under the screen, and then doing the same things as the portable one, adjusting the contrast of magnification, so 11:19:08 i'm. I don't know if you guys have ever used those for recipes. 11:19:13 I never follow a recipe. So good. Question: Yeah. for like for me, for recipes. 11:19:19 If I look, I usually i'm doing it on the computer, and then I will put it from the computer. 11:19:25 I'll put it onto my phone, either in the notes app or something like that. And then just kind of follow it step by step, although I have been trying to use the echo more, because sometimes the problem with the video magnification or the phone 11:19:36 is at your hands, I have found cooking blind my hands are always dirty. I mean, i'm washing my hands a 1 million times as I'm cooking, and so trying to keep hands free is is helpful Yeah, So the voice 11:19:50 activated. Yeah, those are more helpful for that tough definitely. 11:19:53 And if you are cooking with vision loss, you want to get your hands and stuff right. 11:20:00 You can tell a lot about the texture. of the food and when you're mixing things up. 11:20:02 So yeah, voice activation is the way to go so let's talk about. Once you have your recipe now, you probably want to do some stuff on the stove or in the oven. 11:20:13 You want to cook some items. right? So safety with the stover oven is very important, and one of the big things is just making sure that you can identify your stover oven. 11:20:24 There are lots of different kinds of stoves or opens I go into people's, homes and help them with labeling, and almost every time I go into their home I see a new one that I haven't seen before so making sure that 11:20:36 you're your appliances, your small or large appliances are labeled properly, can help you to access all the little controls and dials and buttons. 11:20:47 And there's lots of different ways to label them and most appliances can be labeled in a way that somebody with vision loss can use them except mine. 11:20:58 I bought brand new ones when we moved and I can't it's all a it's all flat, and it's not touchscreen, basically, but it's a big flat panel and I put bumped off on 11:21:10 the specific buttons I need. But when you reach up to find those buttons you press all the other buttons. 11:21:16 Those are. So yeah, So I honestly, I all I can do is hit. 11:21:20 Bake and get it on at 350 and that's I have to cook everything at 350 unless I have someone come help me. 11:21:25 I know, so I know this. Get a whole you put well, you can get new oven. 11:21:31 Yeah, you put gloves on. and then you can find the bump doll. But it's not it's pressure sense, not capacitive. 11:21:39 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, so it's so it is but those bumped outs make a huge difference, even in that case i'm still able to at least do something which without bump dots. you wouldn't be able to do any i'm surprised you didn't buy a smart 11:21:50 cooker. Cory. I know I had. I really should have, but it was hand lockstart. 11:21:55 Anyways I regret not getting a more tactile or at least a smart Yes, dove, and now I feel because it's less. 11:22:03 It's a year old at this point I feel like I can't. I can't get another one. Yeah, the smart cookers are nice. 11:22:08 They're expensive, right it's still kind of a new technology. 11:22:12 But yeah, if you do have a stove at home you know as long as it's not Corey Stove. a lot of them can be labeled. The bump fats like you mentioned are great bump dots are basically 11:22:24 just raised up stickers. They come in lots of colors. A bright orange is a helpful color. 11:22:29 If you have some vision, it's a it's an easy to see color. 11:22:33 But if you have no vision, you can usually feel them and how we use these, is we put these on the different controls on our appliance. 11:22:40 So i'm holding up an example this is a picture of a dial, and how you would label a dial with bump dots. 11:22:48 You would put 2 different bump dots on one would be at your starting point, that you're going to line the dial up with, and then you would put a bump tut on your setting usually with things like your burner 11:22:58 dials. I recommend putting a bum tut on your medium setting. 11:23:02 That's right in the middle. Once you can find, the medium, you can usually figure out which way to turn it for your other temperatures. but the bump dots are heat resistant, too, which makes them better than maybe other tactile. 11:23:14 markings that you might just find out a hardware store glue doesn't melt away and fall off. You don't melt away and fall off unless your surface is greasy they can slide off so make sure your surface 11:23:26 is clean. How long do you think they would generally last, then, I mean, can they just last forever? 11:23:31 They can last a lot i've had not some on that i've been on for years now. 11:23:36 Stuff. Yeah, I mean, if you get them on right in a nice clean service. Yeah, they'll last for they will last a long time. 11:23:42 That's true. That was my pen friend going off in case you I've got I mean I've got bump dots all over the house from the microwave to the stove to the thermostat to the washing machine to I mean it really those 11:23:52 it. in my opinion. you know when you think about like what are the must have in anyone's house that's got a visual impairment. a pack of bump dots is yeah like you must have that in your house at all Yes, I 11:24:04 think almost every claim I work with. I recommend some sort of labels like bump dots. 11:24:08 They're very useful. Another useful labeling tool is called spot and line pen. 11:24:15 It's a tactile paint, it's very useful for a same uses as the bump dots it when it drives it creates a raised up surface, and it comes in a bright color like this bright orange but the nice thing about 11:24:26 this is, you can draw out something so you could draw out a symbol like a plus sign, or a minus sign or an arrow. 11:24:35 So there may be times where just a simple dot doesn't make sense to you. 11:24:39 So if you put a plus sign, for example, where you increase the temperature on your oven, that may make more sense. 11:24:45 You do have to let it dry ticks a little bit of time. but then, once it's dry, you can touch it, it's raised up. 11:24:52 It works really well. I like the spot in line Pen, because it has lots of uses. 11:24:57 You can label clothing. tags with it too, it's heat resistant again, as unless it's dry, you could throw it your clothing. 11:25:04 The washer and dryer it won't come off so, it's a very handy tool, Then you can kind of adjust how how thick it is to to a certain extent. 11:25:13 Right. If you're you maybe use a toothpick to make a thinner line, if you need or whatever you can. 11:25:17 Yeah, it's gonna build it up to make it bigger marking that's true. 11:25:21 And then there is something called Wiki sticks. Have you guys heard of Wiki sticks? 11:25:26 I used them. Oh, gosh, I use them that's how I got through high school, math geometry. 11:25:31 We used Wiki sticks to create the shapes and and all that stuff. 11:25:37 Yeah, yeah, they're really cool they're great they're so handy. And they're very low tech which is nice, and it's just their bendable craft. 11:25:46 Wax, basically, so you can bend them into different shapes. 11:25:49 You can cut into smaller pieces, press it on a surface, but then you can also remove it. 11:25:55 So it works really good for labeling things like boxed food. 11:25:58 Packages where you don't want to throw away an expensive label. 11:26:02 You could put a label on a box of Mac and cheese and be able to identify it. 11:26:07 I use this to label the popcorn button on my microwave, so I make in the shape of a P. 11:26:13 For popcorn, I think, about at least for my son it's a very so. 11:26:25 Those are just some ways that you can label your appliance. 11:26:27 Make sure you have it labeled properly before you start to even use it. 11:26:30 Make sure you can identify things on it. just a good back to popcorn for a second, and I only made popcorn in a pan for the first time. 11:26:40 Oh, with extra oil and yeah a few weeks ago but i've of course, like you know, having having not done it before I made the classic mistake and didn't put the lid on that was pop gone all over the key and a mess to 11:26:52 clean up other things with the stover oven, you know, thinking safety, you know, with vision loss. 11:27:02 Your tendency is to use that sense of touch a little bit more. 11:27:04 So making sure your hands are protected when you're interacting with the stove is important. 11:27:09 There's lots of different oven mits and gloves that you can get. 11:27:14 I like these ones. they're oven galoves. they look like the ones that you see on Tv is advertised. 11:27:20 But they're a little bit longer which is nice they really come up a little bit further down your arm. 11:27:26 This one also has some grippy surfaces on it, so it makes it a little bit easier to grab a pan from out of the oven. 11:27:33 Oven, Myths a lot of times are bulky Sometimes it's hard to wiggle your fingers and grab that pan easily. 11:27:40 So I really like this kind. I love the gloves to get way. 11:27:43 More dexterity and easy. Yeah, exactly. Is that a specific brand of glove? 11:27:47 There was it's called the oven gloves Oh, yeah, they went straight. 11:27:54 Yeah, just make as simple as possible. I don't know if there's a specific brand on this one. 11:27:58 But we do sell. sell it these in our store, but you can get them online as well. 11:28:03 They do make some that are shorter, though, so I do recommend getting the ones that are longer, and come up your arm a little bit further. 11:28:09 And this, and if i'm not mistaken you recommend that, so that when you open up the stove I have the stove? No, the oven. Sorry I just get the still when you open up the oven door. 11:28:22 And reach in. Yeah, you Sometimes that top rack you sometimes can bump your forearm on the actual top of this of the oven. 11:28:31 So if you've got it coming up a little bit more you're protecting that forearm in case right is that Yep, you're exactly right, because we sometimes forget about the top of that. 11:28:38 That oven. You can easily bump your under that I also recommend using it, too. 11:28:44 If you're a little uncertain, or uncomfortable about the stove top as well. 11:28:48 So when you're trying to search for a pan or find the handle for the pan. 11:28:52 But you're nervous about how to touch in search for that pan is put on your glove, and then you can easily move around and touch and find the pan. 11:29:01 Yeah, we actually yeah, we have a kettle that we put on the stove top. 11:29:05 But it's all made of stainless steel or whatever, and so the handle. 11:29:08 This gets really hot. Yeah. So yeah, that's tough that my pots and pans to my same thing. 11:29:16 The handle gets hot like I can't even even some that are supposed to be protected on the handle. 11:29:23 They still get hot. I found that when you talk about stove tops I have gas now in in in this house, so I don't have the flat top of my last house. 11:29:33 I had the electric flat F class type, and that can always be tough. 11:29:37 What I found hard there was, and maybe this is my technique. 11:29:43 So first I always put the pan on before I turned on the stove, because a lot of times you can sort of feel the burner part has some little texture or some grippy. so i'd line it up before I turned it on but then 11:29:55 if you had to turn it. if you had to take the pot off for any reason, and bring it back the way, I found I would sort of you kind of knew what corner to put it in right front back whatever it might be so i'd set it down there. 11:30:05 and then I would just use my hand very gently, not touching anything, but just feeling kind of the heat around it. 11:30:14 And you could kind of tell, Okay, this size got way more heat, because, you know, you could kind of feel the heat to figure out. 11:30:18 But you got to be careful that you don't touch the pan or bring your hand too close to the stove. 11:30:23 But yeah, and that's where the gloves could be handy. Yeah. 11:30:26 Or I like using a wooden spoon as like a replacement to your hand. 11:30:31 Oh, you can use that and just tap and find at least where the pan is. Yeah. 11:30:37 And once you know where the pan is, then you can do that circling around it to find where the heat is escaping. 11:30:41 But yeah, the gloves work fine for that, too. Lots of different techniques that can be helpful. 11:30:47 Another quick thing that for the oven there's something called oven rack guards, there are pieces of heat resistant, specially design fabric, and you just snap them on the front of each of your 2 oven 11:30:59 racks, and they can stay in the oven a lot of times. 11:31:01 People are like what you can get fabric in the oven. 11:31:06 This kind you can and once they're snapped on the front, it protects your hands. 11:31:10 If you should accidentally touch the front of the oven rack, but they also they're white in color, and most ovens are dark or black. 11:31:19 So if you have some vision, loss it's hard to tell where the front of that rack is, so this tells you where it is. 11:31:28 So. how hot does it get? you know when you're cooking how hot does does the Does the fabric get pretty hot or not? 11:31:33 Not too bad, I suppose, because doesn't there are some metal snaps, but they're kind of tucked inside. But Yeah, it's. This is very similar material that firefighters have in their in their outfit so 11:31:46 it's it's specially designed to take heat and Then you can easily unsnap it, and throw it in your washing machine, or dryer to clean it off. it's really cool. that's how a firefighter 11:31:55 drives the uniform. After washing it they put in the oven. 11:31:57 You have to stick in the old when they just put in the dryer. 11:32:00 Oh, yeah, I guess so. Did they put their turkey in the dryer. 11:32:06 Never go to a fire fight as high. So Thanksgiving, you had a drag off. 11:32:13 Foods done all right. So I want to talk a little bit about just some specific cooking tasks that you might do to prepare your Thanksgiving meal. 11:32:21 A lot of us boil things as we're getting ready to cook you know. 11:32:24 Boiling potatoes or things like that, and it can be tough to tell when water is boiling right. 11:32:30 So. the tendency, I think, is to lean in right. 11:32:34 So you're trying to see if the water's moving or trying to hear if that water is is boiling or moving, but leaning into that hot pot of boiling water is probably not real safe, right? 11:32:49 So there are some ways that can kind of keep you back a little bit, and still let you hear the water. There's a cool little disk. 11:32:56 That's a very low tech it's called a boil alert. Disk it's a little disk made out of ceramic. so it's porous and how this works is you you fill up your pot of 11:33:05 water. Then you put this disk in the water before you turn anything on, so you keep the burner off so you can fill up your water, Touch the pan, put your disk inside, and then you turn on your burner. 11:33:17 And then once the water starts to boil you're going to hear a little rattling noise like just very slight noise like that disk is is moving because of the moving water, and then, when your water's really boiling you really 11:33:31 will hear it kind of like really rattling on the bottom of the pan. 11:33:36 So such a low-tech invention. But it really kind of keeps you back and lets you know that that water is boiling. 11:33:43 And so here's a question so let's say i'm going to boil potatoes I mean. 11:33:49 Usually I would just open up a box of instant potatoes from my microwave. 11:33:53 But let's say i'm making let's say i'm making magic and scratch, which i've never done in my life. 11:33:58 Never it all the time really delicious, so you have to feature mash, retail from scratch. 11:34:03 I've never done never so easy just potatoes and then smash it. 11:34:07 Yeah. and then add some things in like book do you just leave the straight. 11:34:16 There's like no creativity today. Do you leave the boil alert, Pod, do you leave it in there? 11:34:22 Then when you pick your potatoes, or do you supposed to pull it out? 11:34:25 And if so, how yeah, I get that question a lot actually. So yeah, you leave it in there as it's boiling, because it's going to be hot. 11:34:31 The disk will be hot, and then at the end when you go to, you know. strain the water off in a strain, or however you remove the food you leave it in there. 11:34:42 And let it cool off. you can remove it either after it's cooled off, or you can take like a little scoop or something and get it out. 11:34:49 But don't touch it with your hands because it will be really hot. so it's safe to leave in while you cook you definitely. 11:34:54 Yep it's it's food safe yeah that's a nice ceramic flavor to your particular I just well, I can't tell you being blind and eating how many times i've taken a fork full of something I 11:35:04 had no idea, So I just sit down like I eat mashed potatoes. 11:35:09 And I think Sarah, like Jason, cooked this little ceramic flavor. 11:35:19 Other, you know, making sure that your food is cooked all the way, you know, cooking your turkey or your meat. 11:35:25 You want to make sure it's cooked correctly Oh, yeah and safely right. Oh, y'all toe ferkie I just like that. 11:35:33 Are you to Turkey. Yeah, sure that's true you turned up. 11:35:35 Yeah, Well, you know, introduction is never that's where you take All right. 11:35:41 I forget now, Turkey, a turkey and chicken. but I think you stuff. Yeah, what? 11:35:43 What one get stuffed, what the chicken gets stuck in the dark key. Oh, chicken! 11:35:48 Into the turkey, I think, and the duck and then duck into the chicken. it's all 3 of them. 11:35:52 Yeah realize i'm vegetarian I know you that's probably something you'll never have some I thought you maybe at least heard of that. Yeah, I could stuff tofu chicken into tofu turkey and I don't 11:36:03 think they do tofu duckler so i'd like Probably not. Yeah. 11:36:09 So yeah, making sure that your food is cooked all the way is important. 11:36:11 And I think a lot of times people tend, especially with meat. 11:36:13 They tend to overcook it because they're worried about it being undercooked. 11:36:18 So I don't want to do that with you thanksgiving turkey, because you don't want to dry it out for? No, you'll guess you ever saw Christmas national lapoons cream so there are some devices for making 11:36:31 sure it's cooked out the way timers you know always set some sort of a timer when you're cooking. 11:36:37 There's lots of different timers your cell phones have timers which are great because your cell phones are usually on you or nearby you. 11:36:45 I know I have to have mine right by me Did digital assistance again can work really great for setting timers. 11:36:52 What's nice about those is you can ask the digital assistant How much time is left which is very helpful. 11:36:57 I will say as well with the smartphone, if you have your hands. 11:37:01 Free voice assistance set up. Then you can use that basically the same as your That's Amazon likes all of it. 11:37:08 Yeah, exactly, definitely. if you prefer some of the lower tech options. 11:37:13 There are large print timers that you can get this is a great big one. very simple dial. so you just turn it. 11:37:20 It's got tactile markings on it you can feel the numbers has. 11:37:25 I think it has some, not braille, but tactile markings. 11:37:27 And then this one is white numbers on a black background, which again, that makes those numbers kind of stand out a little bit more. 11:37:35 We also have there's other simple timers this is just a basic digital timer where the numbers are slightly raised up. 11:37:43 And then we put some of those bunk dots that we learned about earlier on this timer to make it even more accessible. 11:37:50 Braille timers, too. yep braille there's talking timers. 11:37:54 Look, we have one here that has a I know our power. 11:38:01 Oh, I did have some time on that, So yeah, talking timers can be helpful, too. 11:38:05 So, if you like, some of those lower tech options they're available, but always set some sort of a timer when you're getting back into the kitchen and cooking. 11:38:14 More. There are also talking neat thermometers I don't know if you've ever used one of these before. 11:38:19 But these can be very helpful I I don't use that that kind. 11:38:24 I use the type that connect to your smartphone so I've used I grill before, and now my family for thanks. 11:38:31 Get it out for Thanksgiving my my family give me a present for things for Father's day. 11:38:35 They gave me a new one, called them meter and I think It's. 11:38:38 Me. A. T. V. is a yeah and this one what's so cool about it. 11:38:44 Is it connects to my smartphone, but it also connects to Amazon. 11:38:47 Echo, and so I put it. You stick it into the meat, and then on the app you choose what meet your cooking? 11:38:54 How thick it might be, and then it will tell you when it's done based on the correct temperature. 11:39:01 Oh, that's but then you can also track it But then you can also at the same time ask your Amazon Echo what the temperature is, and how much time is left, and all that. 11:39:10 Too. So So I mean it's a you know a high-tech version of the of the talking cooking timer. 11:39:15 But I have some extra features I like that you don't have to think quite so much like. 11:39:21 So with this one you have to know what's a safe temperature because it's going to tell you what the temperature of the meat is so if you don't know anything about cooking or you know what temperatures should it be you can always 11:39:31 look that up and that you can't leave in either right I mean that's got a plastic instances exactly. 11:39:38 You can walk it in. Yeah, test it and then remove it right away. 11:39:42 Got it, but it's again if you like something simple with just simple buttons. 11:39:45 It has a just 2 buttons really one is your on off button, and it tells you what you're doing the other side of that same button has a fast temperature. 11:39:57 Button, which once you press it, it's going to start beeping, and just telling you it's doing its thing. 11:40:01 And then i'll show you how that works can you take your own temperature with it. 11:40:04 Rose. No, yeah, let's put on your time to get anywhere else. and then on the top, up above is your talking button. 11:40:20 So once you let it go, then you hit the talking button or wait, and it tells you what what the temperature is. 11:40:29 The temperature in this room. It feels very caught me I can't be surprised. 11:40:34 Yeah, who knows it? But it's nice to you know with using these thermometers, too. 11:40:38 You can use the probe as a way to kind of poke around, too, and find the meat that you're trying to test and and search for it, using those you usually sort of like. 11:40:47 I try to find the edge and then yep make make a circle like, not outline it, basically, because then you really get an idea. 11:40:53 Okay, Now, I can stab in the middle exactly so that's the best place to put in into the middle. 11:40:58 I think you are put into the thickness right? Yeah. Yep. 11:41:00 And I do recommend to like once you find kind of where the middle is to poke all the way down until you touch the pan. 11:41:07 But lift it up right away. so because then you know that you're inside the meat. 11:41:13 But you don't want to rest it on the pan because then you'll get the temperature of the panel. 11:41:17 But that tells you that you're inside the thickness part Okay, What's the name of your I think meter me a Yeah, it's either. I think it's er yeah and it's quite it's quite accessible 11:41:29 a little recharger case that it sits in as many of these things you have to be somewhat skillful with you, although if you have a family member that sets it up, and you just want the Amazon echo piece, that could 11:41:44 work. Oh, well, I take that back because I think they have to set the cooking on the app. 11:41:47 You're right, you do need some if you only cook one thing every time. 11:41:49 The same thing. Maybe it would work that's kind of nice to know about a variety of tools, right so like the lower tech up to the higher text. 11:41:57 There's lots of options out there which is nice especially for timers, and we're hoping next year is one of our one of our shows. we'll be going to call his house in Korea is actually gonna do some live barbecuing I've 11:42:08 never grilled tofu before so you're gonna have to have. I've done bean burgers. 11:42:15 Those will be fine black, mean burgers. I did. so. Yeah. 11:42:17 Well, what we're gonna have to we're gonna see what it's like, Yeah, So hopefully, we'll get a live demo of the Meta at that point Oh, that'd be cool. 11:42:27 Yep. excellent other things you're cutting food for your Thanksgiving meal. You'll probably have to cut up some items. 11:42:31 Right. So I just like to interject my wife. The the thing she hates most in life is cutting anything. 11:42:37 Oh, really, yeah, I don't know why she has a deadly kind of obsession. Is she cutting? 11:42:42 Is she afraid of knives, that she just hates something? 11:42:45 She finds. It really boring I mean but it's not like you're coming for 3 h. 11:42:50 It's an activity it takes 10 s I have dialogue can be for for 10 s anytime. 11:42:57 We have a meal with with cuts, vegetables that always like cuts to the most minimum degree, like a cabot, just like cutting half, so she can stick in her mouth. 11:43:10 That is why she became a vegetarian cause she didn't want to let me ever. 11:43:16 But yeah, so caddy Make sure you're safe when you're cutting is important. 11:43:20 There are cutting gloves that you can get this is a cutting glove. 11:43:24 It's lined with stainless steel even though it doesn't look it, or feel like it feels like a comfortable like winter type glove. 11:43:33 But it protects your hand, especially the hand that's holding on to whatever you're going to cut the one that usually. 11:43:37 Yeah. Yeah. so it can be very, very helpful. You can throw this in the washing machine and dryer wash it easily. 11:43:46 Having a nice cutting board is important. Stabilizing Your cutting board is very important, so whatever kind you use, you know, having a nice big one is helpful, so that the food stays on the cutting board. 11:43:57 And then making sure it stays on your surface, either by putting it on a little towel, or you can also get non slip shelf liner and just cut out a little piece to set your board on you don't want that moving 11:44:08 around on you when you're cutting sharp knife to right isn't that the sharper the nice the better to stay for the matter exactly, because with a sharp knife it's going to go through the food much easier you're 11:44:22 not going to have to use as much effort because when you're using effort. 11:44:25 That's when you can split and yeah yourself and adult. 11:44:30 And I make some more dangerous injuries you ever don't remember the commercial. 11:44:34 Do you remember a rose? The your you and I are closer Luke's are too young. 11:44:38 But do you remember the ginsu? 2,000 commercials are the holidays? 11:44:44 So yeah, it used to be a Tv spot it was the ginsu knives, and they'd go on they'd cut a can, and then they'd cut a tomato and it's like who's cutting an aluminum 11:44:51 can look how sharp it is. You can cut a can like That's what I wanted to do. 11:44:58 True. I yeah, you don't want you want a sharp guy Exactly. 11:45:01 And I I do it recommend to, if you are if you haven't cut since losing your vision or you have a lot of that fear which a lot of people can have to get a little bit of training in some of those techniques, too, because 11:45:14 there are some techniques where you can use your sense of touch a little bit more, and making sure that you're not trying to cut too quickly. 11:45:21 Don't be like those shuffs on Tv at first. 11:45:25 You might get to that point. but start out slow and cautious, and take your time and just I want to show you this cutting board, too. 11:45:33 This is a low vision cutting board that's white on one side in black on the other. 11:45:37 So if you have some of that vision, if you're cutting, that white onion, cut it on the black side. bright tomato. cut it on the white side. So it really does stand out a little bit more makes it easier to see and Then there are 11:45:50 adaptive peelers that you can get because for thingsgiving. You're probably going to be peeling potatoes. 11:45:55 Another thing my wife hates to eat potatoes things like that she doesn't like peeling either. 11:46:01 It's a nice feeling. as well, it's like cutting anything. feelings like, just yeah interesting or learning new things here. I know i'm so happy that well, I honestly don't like peeling things either just because yeah, it does take 11:46:15 some time, and Peelers traditional peers are just hard to use. I'm sorry when I peel carrots at the end. 11:46:21 I just have this thin tea like i'm obviously feeling what way? 11:46:31 Too much, either doing it too hard. or too many times so like I got this nice big care in at the end. It's just this thin little might have been for Yeah, don't bother peel in the cows they don't need to be 11:46:41 peeled that's true. off all of the goodnesses in this. That's what they say. 11:46:46 I think I think parents just said that to get kids to yeah because they were lazy, and I with potatoes like if i'm making mashed potatoes I don't peel it because yeah, the 11:46:55 nutrients are in the skins and as long as you wash it nicely. 11:46:59 It's fine but if you are choosing to peel wanting to peel what makes an adaptive peeler versus just a normal pillar, what's the difference? 11:47:07 So it's an unknown peeler has a handle that you hold on to. 11:47:11 And then the sharp part comes off of the end of it so Sometimes it's hard to tell where that blade is. 11:47:16 It's kind of out in space out in front of you so it's hard to line that up with the potato, or whatever you're peeling the adaptive peeler it's called a palm peeler so 11:47:25 you wear it kind of like a ring Oh, it's blended in a little bit with my background, because it's great look at this. 11:47:34 You wear it like a ring on your usually your middle finger, and then kind of slide it down your hand, and then the blade is on the inside of your hand, on your palm. 11:47:43 Oh, so then, you're kind of yeah rubbing it almost okay. Exactly. so. 11:47:49 You always know where that blade is, and you also get a lot more feedback as you're doing that, so you can feel like how the peelings are coming off. 11:47:56 You can also use your fingers to feel what's the peeled side, or what's the unpeeled Sides, you don't get that skinny carrot like you always get gonna say you are 100% getting one of those from 11:48:08 me for Christmas. I can't wait yeah i'm ready to Palm Peel. 11:48:12 I'm gonna get you to seeking a woman either hand and That's that. 11:48:17 Sounds like it's a instead of freddie kruger exactly a new appeal. 11:48:20 They're walking around where the face of feeling well I like I bought one for myself, because my son likes to cook in the kitchen. 11:48:30 So it's a nice kind of a safer one for him to use, and then my mom has arthritis. so peeling is difficult. 11:48:37 So this is a lot easier to use. if you have some physical issues of your home. 11:48:42 I'm surprised. I haven't invented something where you can just drop into food that it just peels it for like spins. or i'm saying like, yeah, there might be some gadget out there that does something like, that Oh. 11:48:51 Yeah. So yeah, we were we've cooked all of our food. 11:48:56 So then, at the end of your thanksgiving, you want to eat it right? so? 11:48:59 No, just throw it away. You just wanna look at it I'm Just okay. 11:49:02 Throw it away at the end, throwing away most of the food I cook now, because hits most, because it's not edible. So you know, when you sit down at your table making sure that you can identify your food and your table studying 11:49:19 is important. if you have some vision bringing in some good contrast is important. 11:49:24 So a placement is a great thing to have, because you can choose place mats. 11:49:28 Oh, I have a green placement let's see through so having a placement that has some good contrasting color with your tableware. 11:49:38 So if you have a white plate having a dark placement, I like placements, too, that have some texture to them, so you can really feel where your space is using plates that are have raised up edges on them. 11:49:51 So that the food doesn't fall off your plate is important. That raised up edge also gives you something to push your food up against, so that you can get it on your utensil easier and up to your mouth. 11:50:03 You may also be going over to people's houses where you're not comfortable or familiar with their table setting as well. 11:50:11 So one method you can use to get familiar with where things are on your table. 11:50:16 It's called the low and slow method and all it is is keeping your hands low so like touching the table and moving them slowly around the table to get, you know, an idea of where things are laid out on your table without knocking 11:50:29 them over. So instead of reaching across and knocking over your wine glass, moving it slowly. 11:50:35 Yeah, I would imagine one of my greatest fears would be knocking over a drink, because I especially like with something like a wine glass. 11:50:42 Yeah, it could be very easy to do, because yeah, weight distribution Exactly. 11:50:46 We just had a dining in the dark fundraising event last week, and that was It's one of the kind of the tips we give is you got room of 250 people who have blindfolded themselves. 11:50:57 And trying to find wine, and water glasses yeah just keeping slowing, and then putting it back where you found, or even if it's not where you found, just make sure you're always putting it back in the same spot I find sometimes 11:51:06 if I forget to do that, i'll eat and then maybe I put my fork in it, i'm feeling it's a little messy from eating, so I don't want to just set it right down so I put it on the edge of 11:51:15 my plate. but then it kind of gets pulled into the plate. 11:51:18 If you're eating with the food and now, you look for your fork, and I got to dig your hands. And yeah, so just putting it back each time is Yes, exactly yeah, yeah, And then also like throughout the eating process you may have to just continue to 11:51:31 use that low and slow method, because yeah, things get moved around on you as you're eating, But yeah, those are some good little tips. 11:51:40 One other gadget I want to show you if you're trying to pour some drinks pour your holiday drinks. 11:51:47 Pouring can be tricky with vision loss. I do recommend pouring over like a tray or the sink. 11:51:54 So if you do spill it catches that there's lots of different ways that you can pour effectively, though one is to when you're pouring into a cup always line up what you're pouring from 11:52:05 the continue pointing from up to the cup so they're actually touching. So you can feel them so don't pour up in space. You don't know where that liquid is going so make sure they're 11:52:15 touching you can also stick your finger inside the cup when you're pouring as long as it's for you, and not for somebody else. 11:52:22 That's gross. But you can't stick your finger inside? What if it's a close family member Is I accept something that I think you ask them, Hey, Do you want to taste my finger and that They're like 11:52:34 no problem hands before. so don't you I mean I just drink right on the bottle like I don't even pardon in a cup that's not a good solution. Well, again, that's probably not the best solution but as 11:52:48 long as I don't mind yeah always I got to sit down for dinner, and I have a whole gallon of milk all over either. 11:52:59 So needs a repell it's right but as you're pouring to. you can notice differences in the weight of the cop. 11:53:08 The sound. A lot of times you can hear when it's filling. but if you're pouring like a hot drink, you don't want to stick your finger inside the cup, so there are devices that can be helpful 11:53:18 This is called the liquid level indicator. It has some metal prongs. 11:53:23 You hang it on the top rim of your cup with the prongs facing down inside the cup, and that it's operated by battery. and so you pour like you, like I just said with touching the 11:53:33 cup with your container. Listen to those audio cues. 11:53:37 When the liquid touches the metal prongs the device is going to make a sound something like that where it's beeping, and that tells you to stop pouring, and so it leaves a little bit of space at the top of 11:53:49 the cup, which is nice, so if you're in your hot drinks, your hot tuties and tea and coffee. 11:53:56 It's a great tool to use for that awesome Well, that's some fantastic tips there. 11:54:02 Yeah. and I feel like everybody now is going to be safer and more productive. 11:54:06 And what's the other word I used not tastier yeah he said. tasteful. 11:54:11 Yeah all day's. Fourth: thank you I feel like i'm yeah, I feel like going to excuses. now. 11:54:18 I feel like when I go to my wife's aunt's house, who makes all the food i'll be able to give her some pointers. 11:54:25 You can potatoes. Okay, yeah, oil. Yeah, you really need to be doing that. I will tell you right now. 11:54:32 I will make I will make. I will bring them in excellent with broccoli. 11:54:36 Okay, i'm slightly scared, but also looking for great. But now those are some fantastic tips whereas so thank you very much. 11:54:43 Yeah, and we hope everybody has a wonderful thanksgiving because in 2 weeks time we won't be here. 11:54:47 Yeah, We're off for Thanksgiving our next one so we're back in December. 11:54:52 Yeah fall. Is it the year it is with Sam? We will be returning with some Cv. 11:54:59 From the blind life to do a end of year. wrap up on assistive technology that we've used this year that we like, and that should be fun usually is a good left with some that sounds fun Yeah, for thanksgiving I will be in England 11:55:10 Now, Calli, do you know what I will be eating for? 11:55:14 Thanksgiving in England. any ideas well you're vegetarian Hmm! 11:55:21 So it will not be any kind of meat product, toe food, chicken, to toe chicken? 11:55:26 The answer is so because we don't celebrate thanksgiving so I felt like, Yeah, it was a trick question. 11:55:35 You're gonna eat something you will be eating thanksgiving I'm gonna make a i'm gonna make it specifically like I'm gonna fast on that day. 11:55:42 Now. No, I was not like a lot of work, just despite me. 11:55:46 I mean you hear the one suffering i'm gonna do that everybody we have a Youtube channel. 11:55:51 If you would care to go. There is Youtube com ford slash in no, it's not. 11:55:56 It is. wait. No, it is no Youtube com vision, forward tech connects. Thank you. 11:56:03 Youtube com vision for tech connects. We currently have a video up on the Arcs vision which we did to a tech talk. 11:56:12 So I like to connect live on as well the last one. 11:56:13 Yeah, Yeah, But if you were on Youtube, you couldn't hear it no. 11:56:18 If you want to check out the video, for sure it's a condensed video showing some of the features and with a few jokes thrown in there, so feel free to check that out. 11:56:25 And please do like and subscribe and hit the notification spell and all of that stuff as well, and we'll have a video releasing the weekend. 11:56:31 Thanks. no, we won't the weekend after the week after. No. the weekend Thanksgiving will have a video drop dropping, dropping. 11:56:38 That one's a flashback to 1,992. Yeah. 11:56:42 And a piece of assistive technology from 1,992 was a fun video. 11:56:45 I think it's turned out well, yeah it's a good fun. Little comparison between some modern devices versus some older ones, whereas if people need some cooking tips direct in person what is the best way to reach you 11:56:58 they can just call our main number main phone number 4, 1, 4, 6, 1, 5, 0, 1 0, 0. 11:57:05 They can ask to speak with Eli who's our program assistant, and then he can help get people started. 11:57:12 So I do one on one training in not only cooking skills, but other areas of daily living, cleaning skills. 11:57:20 Taking your medication, getting dressed, identifying items, lots of different areas. 11:57:25 But yeah, get in touch with Eli to get the ball rolling on, setting up some some training cool. 11:57:32 All right. Well, with that being sex. thank you. everybody, for joining us again. 11:57:34 Have a wonderful thanksgiving, and we will look forward to seeing you in 4 weeks time. 11:57:39 Thank you, Bye for now. Hi! Episode Notes

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Notes go here 0:00 Start 6:00 Jokes and Audience Comments and Questions 7:50 Introducing PiccyBot, AI descriptions from video and photos 11:30 PIccyBot's creator Martijn Van Der Spec enters the chat! 13:00 Demo using VoiceOver navigating through the app , headings, controls 16:55 Demo of taking a still photo in the app and hearing its description 27:00 Using PiccyBot to analyze old photos already saved on your device 32:00 Comparing this with the Be My AI description and response time. 37:00 Uploading an existing video file to the app for description 43:00 Actually taking a live video and uploading it for a detailed description! 49:00 Summary thoughts from our Assistive Technology Experts! 53:00 Upcoming videos, live shows and events! Stay Tuned!

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Start 0:00 5:30 Rose Introduction 12:00 Cutting Board Must Haves 19:45 Palm Peeler Tool 29:00 Cutting Gloves and Knife Safety 35:00 Cutting Round Objects 53:00 Wrap Up and Contact info 56:30 Outro Music

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0:00 Start 5:00 Sports, Jokes and Welcomes all! 10:00 Dictation basics, keyboard skills first. 22:00 Alternatives, Internet vs Non-Internet dictation processing speeds 30:00 Autopunctuation 38:00 Web browsing 40:00 Microsoft Office and Email 45:00 Pressing virtual buttons, Undo and Redo 53:00 Grid narrowing allows you to narrow down your options from multi instances. 58:00 Apple Mac vs Microsoft Windows 1:00:00 Done, Wrap up and foreshadow for next time!

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0:00 Start 2:20 Jokes 3:15 What is CSUN? 8:30 Major Sessions: Indoor Navigation, AI, Web Accessibility, 19:30 Brain Computer Interfacing 23:00 Goodmaps Updates and new Scanning Tech for LIDAR 26:25 General Tips and How it was on the Expo floor 28:00 Glidance wheeled mobility aid with multicamera sensors and warnings. 33:00 Stargardt Wearables? Iris Vision 2.0 and Oxsight? 34:00 Case for Vision, cell phone CCTV encouraged by built in legs and mirror 38:10 Biped, shoulder mounted multi camera accessory for mobility aid 39:39 Zoomax Snow Pad 43:30 eSight Go, x24 magnification, neck horseshoe style battery pack. 45:00 Wrap Up, Foreshadowing new videos and next live show in 2 weeks time! 46:00 Eyeglasses for Stargardt's

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11:07:00 Show begins in earnest 11:20:00 Zoom Text is feature rich, but unfortunately it crashes and lags on weaker computers. 11:35:00 Voice options and Jaws Eloquence 11:46:00 Problems with Zoom Text 11:50:00 Windows Magnifier as a reliable default 11:55:00 Closing thoughts, links and foreshadowing next Tech Connect.

Captions: 11:02:18 Welcome to vision forwards, tech, connect, live, connecting you to the world of a assistive technology. 11:02:25 And now here are your hosts, Corey and Luke 11:02:29 Everybody. Hello! Welcome to tech Kenneth. Live the first show of 2,023. 11:02:37 Yes, January the fifth, 2,023. 11:02:42 Is it true? I think it's right? Yeah, 2023. 11:02:45 Call. Yeah. By New Year, you kind of a frame here. I was just gonna ask you, actually, I started moving, as you can see, nothing has changed in the New Year. 11:02:53 A year has gotten by, and we are running as smooth and tip-top as we always have. 11:02:59 Yes, which means not very smooth. It's being an interesting start to the day here. 11:03:06 Our Division board in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, we should go through. 11:03:09 Not that Jonathan has time. Yes, but I think we should go through all of 2,020 two's tech connect lives, yeah, and cut out every time we start with man it's been an interesting start, because I think we do it pretty much. 11:03:26 All people, no, biology is hard. We I just think it's funny, because I think we pretty much start every second. 11:03:33 I completely agree with the Apollo, asks, what was it the cameras New Year's resolution? 11:03:39 I'm assuming this was a job. This is a well camera. 19. 11:03:44 I'm going to say fourk you have a very close 10 atp. 11:03:45 But Paula, in this day and age that's a little bit low. 11:03:49 So I think that company is to be honest. Did you, Luke? 11:03:52 Did you ever go? New Years? It was very uneventful. 11:03:56 Yeah, yeah, we actually knew years Eve, we did absolutely nothing. Did you make it to midnight? 11:04:00 Yeah, we did, yeah, okay, just and then New Year's Day, we had some friends over. 11:04:04 And that was lovely. But yeah, for the most part very uneventful. 11:04:06 I think you went to a friend's house except one number. Yeah. 11:04:10 It was a family family, and dogs party. There was many kids and many dogs running around. 11:04:15 Who enjoyed it most. The adults, the kids, or the dogs. 11:04:18 Well, the buddy that I go to loves cooking, and so there was only like 6 of us there, 6 adults, plus a bunch of kids. 11:04:26 He had more food, than I've ever seen in my life, and so I'm thinking the dogs had the best time, because they had. 11:04:32 I think they got a lot. Be a good food and little kids usually means dogs are getting fed. 11:04:37 It's a very handy to know a friend who's good at cooking. 11:04:40 He love. He not only does he love doing it, but he's a crazy, good cook, that's awesome. 11:04:45 So yeah, it was good time. Yeah, very nice, very nice. Hope. 11:04:47 Everybody else had a wonderful New Year's Eve, and also a wonderful start to the New Year. 11:04:53 So far, it hasn't been so bad here. This is our first season. 11:04:56 Yeah, this is our first week at work since New Years, and it was a short week as we were off the money. Yeah, so far we haven't had any disasters. 11:05:03 So I think we're off to a decent start. Yeah. 11:05:06 But I mean some. Consider this show a disaster. Well, we're waiting for thirst. 11:05:10 We'll see how the show comes today before making any any film decisions. 11:05:14 But yes, okay, everybody is how a great New year we are, of course, coming to you from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where the weather today is not too bad. 11:05:22 A bit of light snow, but nothing too crazy, and we are looking forward to talking about screen. 11:05:28 Magnification on the old PC. Today we are going to be communicating to magnification, behavior, loss. 11:05:36 Oh, Bohemia, we have. I don't know if that's how you pronounce that word. 11:05:39 I think it's a behemoth so close, right? 11:05:41 But that's 2 of them, though. But he may. We have the windows magnifier, which some of you may be aware of from Microsoft windows, and also we have Zoom text which some of you may be familiar with from freedom scientific, but which one is the prime magnification Option what would you say I mean at this 11:06:04 Point love for people. So 2 really quick things I last tech connect, live. 11:06:09 We, did for 2,022 back in December. 11:06:11 Yeah, was awesome. It's a great participant, and we'd love the same level of participant participant participation. 11:06:20 Yeah. So that's my first thing, as I obviously use that chat in a Q&A, and as much as much information. 11:06:27 You have questions and cowbils. If you're if you're part of Harry Potter. 11:06:33 Sure, yes, and this owl mail, yeah. Facebook messenger and smoke signals. 11:06:37 Yes, although we haven't set that up just yet, so that'll be next week. 11:06:42 We do have a soup can with string. But my question for you, Luke, is, when looking at a third party magnification. 11:06:53 So obviously not the windows one that's built in is zoom text. 11:06:56 Pretty much the only I mean, I know there's a couple other ones on the market right supernova. 11:07:03 Yeah, I don't know what the situation is with supernova at the moment, and honestly, I've never really engaged with it yeah, that much which is weird because Dolphin are a British company. 11:07:10 So yeah, I should probably support them. But yeah, I zoom, yeah, I don't know anything that going anymore. 11:07:16 I assume. Yeah, I mean, they were cool because they you could run that direct from a USB drive without administrative privileges. 11:07:20 Yeah, that was pretty handy back in the day. But yeah, I mean, if anybody knows if anybody's using anything other than windows magnifier apple, Macs built in magnification or zoom text, then it does. 11:07:33 Yeah, it does seem like zoom. Text is kind of the Bahimi of third-party magnifiers at this point. 11:07:41 Yeah, definitely, the one that I in my, history. I've always been most aware of but maybe that's a Us. 11:07:47 Thing, and I and I don't, and I'm not aware of any like on the screen, reader, side. 11:07:53 You have Nvda as a free, open source. Yeah, I'm not aware of really any free, open source magnifiers outside again, of built into the operating system. 11:08:01 That's a really great point. And I wonder if it's just because the built in accessibility is good. 11:08:04 But really the windows stuff didn't start to get good until windows 10. 11:08:09 So, yeah, yeah, who knows? If anybody has any insight please let us know. 11:08:14 This is a very audience participation directed Show. We'll love to hear from people in the audience who've got experience, and, you know, want to give their 2 cents. So feel free to put in the chat all the Q&A. 11:08:26 Any comments you might have as we go through here in the Q. And A. 11:08:28 We do have something, but of course it's a joke, because we also love jokes. 11:08:32 This joke from Gary? Why was the snowman rummaging through a bag of carrots? 11:08:37 Well, it's gonna be something about like his nose. 11:08:41 Yes, yes, could smell he no, no, he knows no better. 11:08:48 Yeah, yeah. On the right track. He was picking his knife. 11:08:53 Enjoy sound effects on the show that one gets. Thank you. New Year jokes are still as bad as ever. 11:09:03 So some would say, worse. We have 2 jokes. Yeah, look out alright. 11:09:09 So Jonathan is, gonna get us our joke for today. 11:09:11 Or it sounds like we might have 2. Jonathan joke away. 11:09:13 What do we have right? Well, we're always willing to compete with our viewers for a best joke. 11:09:19 Yeah, this one. I found just this morning Corey, you were talking about wonderful New Year's Eve meals. 11:09:25 I know that me and my sister cooked an awful lot, but appetizers are always a bit of a bit of a pain. 11:09:29 I know that we were spending a long time cutting up some cheese, sausages, and all that. 11:09:33 Sure, but with that in mind, what is something that nobody should eat on New Year's Eve 11:09:43 Big, the big apple. Oh, maybe maybe. In fact, fire crackers. 11:09:53 I don't know what I meant to say. It was oh, and then just the second one here. 11:10:03 Something to do with hoops missing donkey steel. 11:10:12 I'm not sure. Well, you wouldn't want them to travel more, thank you, Jonathan. 11:10:23 That was a wonderful job. No, except you want want them twice. 11:10:28 I mean, nobody's perfect, you know. I actually hear it on a delay. 11:10:32 So I don't actually get to respond all right, everybody. 11:10:36 So I guess we should probably get this puzzle started. 11:10:41 Good new years. Punch. Yes, and the wise words of pink. 11:10:47 Yeah, I actually heard it in the car on the way. In this one. That's the only reason I thought, it all right. 11:10:53 Here is all computer for those of you who can't see we are displaying the computer on the screen here, and for those of you who aren't familiar with what a computer is. 11:11:03 Well, you're probably not going to get a lot of this show. 11:11:07 I'm pretty sure you're probably on a computer viewing the show. 11:11:10 So I'm guessing. There are certain assumptions we can make today. 11:11:14 This is a computer, we all running the esteemed windows. 11. 11:11:18 Yeah, those of you. Not running windows. 11. You might be running windows. 10. 11:11:22 Yeah, for those of you, not running windows. 10. You're probably not learning windows. 11:11:27 8, but you might be running windows 7, which I recommend upgrading to windows 10 or 11 immediately. 11:11:33 Yes, for those of you, not say 7. You're probably winning windows. 11:11:36 Xp. My question would be, How did that happen? Here? And also, how is like, if you were even working? 11:11:41 Now, although saying that I did go to a client's house, and he had a computer with with windows Xp. 11:11:47 Pretty good, and it was it was it was such a long time since I used it. 11:11:51 I couldn't even remember what how to do anything. That's fine. 11:11:55 Yeah, crazy, anyway. So this computer here, when windows 11, the latest version of windows and we have zoom text magnifier reader, 2,022 on the screen. 11:12:03 Now for those of you who are not, who are not familiar with zoom text magnifier, reader, this is a screen magnification software. 11:12:08 You do have to purchase it, it is available from freedom, scientific, and you can do one of 2 things. 11:12:14 Either purchase outright, or you can subscribe their subscription price. 11:12:20 Corey is well, I'm I'm guessing it's the same as Jaws but maybe I'm wrong I actually don't know $90 a year. 11:12:29 Okay. And I'm going to assume that zoom text is probably darn close. 11:12:34 But I bet you, if we stall just a little bit longer then maybe we will be able to be a producer. 11:12:39 Might be typing away. But yeah, anyways, the subscription jaws is 90. 11:12:44 I'm guessing it's good now, do you have to pay the upfront, or can you pay month by month? 11:12:47 No, you typically need to pay it up front once a year. 11:12:49 We considering the retail price of these things, is generally pretty high, like zoom. 11:12:53 Text was always around the 800 markers, 595. 11:12:57 I believe, yeah, yeah, fusion. Then, obviously, you're gone way up. 11:13:01 But that's because Jonathan, the website, says that for a student annual license, $80 a year for home, you 85 to 95. 11:13:11 Oh, yeah, I tend to the client. When I work with clients for jaws, I tend to lean towards the subscription base. 11:13:20 Now I think that the upfront, you know there's a couple benefits to it first. 11:13:24 It's a much less, you know. It's it's much less upfront. 11:13:29 Right? 85, or $90 a year versus the 600 to a $1,000 up front. 11:13:34 It always as long as you continue to pay. You always have access, and you always get access to the newest aversion. Right? 11:13:41 The other part, that one of the issues, when you, if you purchase zooms, text straight out, if you don't purchase the Sma or software maintenance agreement, then each year there is going to be a $200 or so cost to upgrade and the more years you get let that 11:13:59 Gap go, the more it's gonna cost you. So even though you buy it out right? 11:14:03 Yes, most of the time. That's probably going to be okay for a good number of years. 11:14:07 It's not like you always have to have the latest and greatest, but at some point you are going to end up, paying probably close to 4, $500 again to upgrade. 11:14:17 So at that point, you know $85, you know. You're looking. 11:14:22 You can get an easy 5 years or more. Oh, yeah, you know, I think there's a philosophical discussion to be had, probably not to right now. 11:14:29 Yeah, but about the whole software as a service kind of set up. 11:14:35 More and more companies companies are migrating toward, and the fact that you are essentially renting. 11:14:40 So you spend significant amounts of money without actually owning anything. 11:14:45 Sure. And you know it's it's an interesting kind of conundrum whether that's a good thing or not. 11:14:52 There's a lot of positives to it, but also you know, there's no ownership. 11:14:56 Now, I think, with people doing stuff like streaming movies and everything being so used to doing that type of thing and not opening any of that content.

11:20:00 Zoom Text is feature rich, but unfortunately it crashes and lags on weaker computers. 11:35:00 Voice options and Jaws Eloquence 11:46:00 Problems with Zoom Text 11:50:00 Windows Magnifier as a reliable default 11:55:00 Closing thoughts, links and foreshadowing next Tech Connect.

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0:00 Start 4:30 Guest Audience: Wisconsin Council of the Blind & Visually Impaired 7:00 Be My AI App Introduction 9:00 Comparison to OrCam What's in Front of Me? Feature 13:00 Using Be My AI to scan a menu and ask follow up questions 19:00 Envision Glasses attempts the same task 25:00 Comments from the audience 30:00 Scene Description with empty chair questions 39:00 Be My AI describing an image sent to your phone 43:00 Interpreting handwritten words 45:00 Envision App using scene description (Postponed) 47:00 Final Comparison of Envision to Be My AI 50:00 Closing thoughts and upcoming shows!

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0:00 Start 2:00 Introduction and Jokes 5:00 Summarizing the new iPhone 15 video 7:00 iPhone 15 physical comparison 10:00 iOS 17 Experience so far, including a significant focus issue 12:30 Contact Posters 16:30 Live Voicemail means you can answer during a message! 25:00 Stickers 25:50 Messages including Automatic check-in texts and Air Tags 28:00 Autocorrect and its downsides 30:00 Facetime Message with a Video 35:00 AirDrop: Facetime Demonstration with Reactions via hand gestures 38:00 Maps: Download offline versions 40:30 Cognitive Overload 42:00 Generate your own TTS from your own voice! 44:00 Magnifier App, some options only available for iPhone 14 47:00 Focus Follow-up Question and AppleVis as a resource for bug updates 50:00 Wrap Up Foreshadowing the Envision AI Glasses for next time! 50:00 End

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0:00 Start 3:15 History, Rules and General Introduction to Wordle 7:45 Laptop Instructions, Visual Settings, Controls 16:15 Actually Guessing and Checking and Trying again! 31:00 Smartphone Instructions, Keyboard controls and Tapping Tricks 38:45 Computer vs Phone? Computer is usually going to be easier to do! 41:15 Wrap-Up Review and Upcoming Events and Videos!

0:00 Start 10:00 Smart Vision 3 Introduction, who is it best for? 12:30 Physical Description, Button Controls 17:10 Demo of the device, Navigating through menus, 22:00 List of Applications, technological workarounds and gestures 25:00 T-Mobile support and 3 months of Mint Mobile for free 26:20 Getting to Contacts from main menu, 28:00 Discussing tech complexity and how simple controls don't always make it easier 32:00 Demonstrating the Magnifier 34:45 Launch the Google Assistant to ask it questions 38:10 Alexa App Raincheck 39:00 Commenter Questions, VoiceOver 40:00 Demonstrating the Google Lookout app 41:40 Smart Vision 3 Features of note, keypad controls, who is this best for? 46:00 Wrap Up, Upcoming Episodes, Produced Videos and Special Events!

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Notes: 0:00 Start 08:00 Physical Features and controls 12:00 Demonstration of CCTV features 20:00 Computer Features, pictures, distance, recording video 28:00 OCR and iOS device connectivity 37:00 Saving and Modifying images with notepad, textboxes and highlights 40:00 Splitting the screen, multitasking. 45:00 Wrap Up and real world examples

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0:00 Start 0:35 Banter and Jokes 3:00 Intro for Amos Miller 5:45 What does Glidance mean relative to Guide Dogs? 14:30 Physical Description and Basic Use Cases 26:30 Responsiveness and Real-time Feedback (Checks x10 every second!) 30:30 The Glide can slow you down relative to how complicated the path is 33:00 Goals of The Glide, eventually we want it to be your primary mobility device 34:15 Telescoping Handle, Packing it all down into a small space? Airports and Trains 37:00 Preset Routes, Free Roam, Programming Common Places to set routes 41:00 September 2025 is the launch, The Glide will improve greatly between now and then! 42:30 PreOrder for $900 and sign up for regular zoom sessions and program updates! 44:00 Alternative surfaces: Sand, Gravel, Snow etc 47:00 Wrap-Up Review and Upcoming Events!

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0:00 Start 6:45 Introducing Rachel Ramos from HumanWare, her story and her current role 10:15 HumanWare product overview of devices old and new 17:00 Victor Reader Stream, book reader, podcasts, internet radio, news and magazines, all audio 18:30 New features of Victor, organize your Voice Notes into folders, 20:45 Guided demonstration of navigating and creating named folders, 23:15 Demo of recording a new Voice Note, 24:15 Files are numbered sequentially by default, after deleting a file you can Consolidate to renumber files. 29:00 Brailliant and other Braille products, read books, take notes and 32:00 What is new? Tools like WIkipedia, Wiktionary and WordSet 35:00 Example use case of searching an unfamiliar word, 38:00 HumanWare Podcast w/ Rachel and Peter "See Things Differently with HumanWare" 43:00 Navigating with Brailliant and selecting words to look up 47:00 HumanWare Odyssey featuring AI powered scanned document questions, 49:00 Wrap Up with Rachel Ramos from HumanWare, upcoming topics and events 51:15 Ending with Music

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Great stories are within reach thanks to the National Library Service! In order to ensure that all may be read, the NLS provides free access to braille and audiobook alternatives for anyone with certified temporary or permanent low vision, blindness, or even some physical disabilities. Join Luke and Cory as they explore NLS services and teach you how you can get your favorite books and magazines mailed right to your door!   Stick around and learn to navigate the website via search tools, access the BARD system, and operate an eReader device built by Humanware which can also be provided by the NLS. Luke and Cory will teach you the controls and quick tips you need so you can jump right into a familiar favorite or the newest edition of a magazine.   We hope you enjoy this episode, the final Tec Talk Live! But do not worry, Cory and Luke will continue providing you professional assistive technology tips under the show's new name: "Vision Forward's Tech Connect"   Call us: 414-615-0103 Email us: infocus@vision-forward.org Visit us online: https://www.vision-forward.org Online Store: https://www.vision-forward.org/store

0:00 Start 5:30 Introducing our Guest: Mikayla Siditsky 9:00 Eyedaptic's EYE5 Hardware gets a Software Upgrade = EYE6 11:00 Ivy, a built in AI for your EYE6, introduction and Use cases 12:30 Physical Description of the EYE5, use of a tethered smartphone controller 18:45 Auto Zoom and Object Detection Options such as Faces or Text 22:50 Sheet Music, real-time stabilization,
25:30 Bright Text Function: a while outline surrounds text and objects, bold shapes help 31:45 Eyedaptic History, what was the EYE1? Will there be an EYE7??? 35:30 What is the difference between the EYE5 and EYE6? Button changes and AI tips 39:00 Worried about Wifi? Mikayla explains the different tiers of payment for more reliable service 40:45 Using Ivy, testing basic description, 44:00 Ivy OCR and summary of text 49:00 Memory, can Ivy only remember one picture at a time? How long after use does it remember? 49:30 Wrap-Up Contact Details and upcoming events, livestreams, etc 53:00 End Sign off message! Next time is BlindShell Classic 2!

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Follow along with Cory as he uses the windows screen reader in order to navigate the web and preform Luke's tasks. Throughout the process, he points out specific keys and techniques you can use to make yourself more efficient.0:00 Intro and Jokes 0:10 Cory prefaces the tasks 0:13 Basic browser and info search 0:25 Opening Gmail, basic layout tips 0:31 Searching email by terms, Reading line-by-line 0:36 Composing a new Email 0:41 Shopping Online, Adding to Cart 0:55 Checkout and Pay 0:59 Wrap Up

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11:04:26 Welcome to vision forwards, tech Connect, live, connecting you to the world of assistive technology.

11:04:33 And now here your hosts, Corey and Luke 11:04:46 Hello, everybody. Hopefully. You can hear me I'm starting the show from Youtube, but Hopefully, we have this rectified now that We'll check the Second Button. 11:04:54 There. Oh, yeah, I gotta go. Yeah, I accidentally bumped it. 11:04:56 I think, Hello, everybody. Hello, it's a smooth sailing. 11:05:00 It's perfectly smooth sailing. We've had a very smooth morning, everything working properly. Everything going great. 11:05:05 Yes, everybody else, is having a lovely morning it is just December, believe it or not end of the year We're, gonna get a concert, this morning. 11:05:17 Yeah something like that very chorusy, who is that who is our song by calling? 11:05:21 I do not know. I I apologize it's from a movie. I think, though believe it's not. 11:05:27 I'm walking out there and never, yeah, I would. The greatest American hero. 11:05:31 Yeah, it. Yeah. That was that was that producer, Jonathan that you heard in the but he's he's the man with, the with the computer, if you have any questions about, anything he would Be happy to answer them at any point during this, yes, absolutely anything yeah, that's, not managing doesn't 11:05:45 matter especially if it's not related to assistive technology, right any general knowledge, any eightys, music, movies, soundtrack, he is your man, indeed, anyway, that's what i'm saying hope everybody is having a great day, today, and I think you will all agree that this year, has absolutely flown 11:06:02 by as they, as they usually tend to do, especially as you get older, so they say, yeah, it's it's been a year from assistive technology, I'm not gonna say it's been a fantastic, year, because we were, coming up, with a list, of things, corey, and I yesterday, things. 11:06:19 That we could talk, about, and yeah, we didn't necessarily, you know. 11:06:22 Come up with that many, I'm not sure how many things released this year, but luckily for us, we have the man himself, the legend, the legend of Myth He's not a Miss cause. I mean he's actually like, right here so Wow, yeah, maybe this is his time. 11:06:36 To prove we have some Cv from the blind life. Hello, Sam. 11:06:46 Yeah yep, shoot. 11:06:42 Hello, guys, thank you very much for having me. I have a quick question for Jonathan. Who who's that scary guy over Luke's right shoulder in the background, They're standing on menacing 11:06:54 Yeah, that's actually me. I don't move my I've been wearing this all gray uniform several months. 11:07:05 Yes, very ambiguous 11:07:10 Well, that's fantastic 11:07:03 Yeah, you. Also, look somewhat cubeoid almost yeah, yeah, that's actually, more of a stance thing, okay, yeah, so as you can, see, Johnson is a little bit. 11:07:14 Strange, but see, he does a great job. He does a great job. 11:07:18 Thank you for coming on some. It's always a pleasure. 11:07:20 I was looking back to my Text messages to you and the last one I sent you was September of of last year, when I said, Hey, Sam, are you connecting to the meeting sir I'm guessing that must be the last time that we are on the show it's always nice. 11:07:32 We don't, text, we we email much more often than that. 11:07:34 To get this is very true. This is this is very true. 11:07:34 But we don't text. I guess. 11:07:37 But yes, so I think you must have come on last year. 11:07:40 Just a little bit before this, and I think we must have had an end of year rapid blast. 11:07:45 You as well, but my memory is a little. Thing. I think we did. 11:07:48 Honestly, and and but yeah, I don't remember what we did, last September I don't know them bullshit, that might have been I don't remember either. 11:07:54 Yeah, but anyway, it's very nice to have you here and today we're going to be talking about assistive technology, that we have seen this year and that you know and what we thought of it basically and Sam, I did send you a list but it was only yesterday, I'm not sure if you had a chance, to take a look 11:08:09 Over that. But those were some of the things that we that we thought of 11:08:18 No no 11:08:12 Yeah, I did and and You're absolutely right. It wasn't the most stellar year for at especially like new products and stuff. But there's some things on that we can kinda chat, about 11:08:23 Yeah, nothing. That's something with a very short short show, or like, yeah, nothing. 11:07:05 Yes, very ambiguous 11:07:10 Well, that's fantastic 11:07:03 Yeah, you. Also, look somewhat cubeoid almost yeah, yeah, that's actually, more of a stance thing, okay, yeah, so as you can, see, Johnson is a little bit. 11:07:14 Strange, but see, he does a great job. He does a great job. 11:07:18 Thank you for coming on some. It's always a pleasure. 11:07:20 I was looking back to my Text messages to you and the last one I sent you was September of of last year, when I said, Hey, Sam, are you connecting to the meeting sir I'm guessing that must be the last time that we are on the show it's always nice. 11:07:32 We don't, text, we we email much more often than that. 11:07:34 To get this is very true. This is this is very true. 11:07:34 But we don't text. I guess. 11:07:37 But yes, so I think you must have come on last year. 11:07:40 Just a little bit before this, and I think we must have had an end of year rapid blast. 11:07:45 You as well, but my memory is a little. Thing. I think we did. 11:07:48 Honestly, and and but yeah, I don't remember what we did, last September I don't know them bullshit, that might have been I don't remember either. 11:07:54 Yeah, but anyway, it's very nice to have you here and today we're going to be talking about assistive technology, that we have seen this year and that you know and what we thought of it basically and Sam, I did send you a list but it was only yesterday, I'm not sure if you had a chance, to take a look 11:08:09 Over that. But those were some of the things that we that we thought of 11:08:18 No no 11:08:12 Yeah, I did and and You're absolutely right. It wasn't the most stellar year for at especially like new products and stuff. But there's some things on that we can kinda chat, about 11:08:23 Yeah, nothing. That's something with a very short short show, or like, yeah, nothing. 11:08:28 Exciting thanks guys, see you in 2,02023, or 23. 11:08:34 See how it costs exactly. But yes, in the meantime, before we get started some. 11:08:38 And you you may all be already be aware of this. We like to do a joke. 11:08:43 Okay. Now, of course, I didn't warn you that that this is the case, but we didn't prepare a joke. 11:08:50 Because we were too busy. I think my son, my my son, yeah, who was come up with a number of jokes okay, came up with one this week. 11:09:00 Yes, I want so I don't have one. 11:09:02 So here's the deal. We do have at least one joke in the chat here. 11:09:05 So we're gonna start with that, one, then we're going to give some an opportunity. 11:09:08 If he has a joke, if you don't son, that's hopefully fine, I know. 11:09:09 Oh Gosh, alright. 11:09:12 And then, and then we will move on to to Corey on this joke. 11:09:15 Here, so from the Chat, from Pola. Thank you, Paula, Bailey I believe in Philadelphia, I did. Yeah. Tues Tues Tuesday when Tuesday from Paula. 11:09:28 What do you call a kid who does not believe in sensor it's bad well, yeah, that's very true. 11:09:37 Giftless, I don't know giftless. 11:09:41 Yeah, and anybody else have any idea I don't know. 11:09:45 If you have seen the answer already in the chat there but 11:09:47 One of these conspiracy, theorists 11:09:51 Very good. The The answer is a rebel without a clause. 11:09:55 Clause, want why 11:09:59 Call me that is this one very good, very good. Since I use that forget no, it's all part in the fun. 11:10:26 It's all part of 11:10:26 Well, yeah, I'll give you my my kind of Goto favorite blind joke, 11:10:30 Okay. Great. Alright. 11:10:31 It's it's kind of an old one, so you might have heard it before. 11:10:33 Okay. 11:10:34 But why don't more blind people skydive 11:10:38 Oh, I know the answer, I won't say anything. I don't know. The answer. 11:10:44 I don't think I've got this one before. 11:10:41 Yeah, yeah, it's a goody. 11:10:44 It's a good skydive, Jonathan any ideas well, why don't more of them? 11:10:51 Why don't more cause some people. Do. But why don't more 11:10:52 Let me. Ask. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's any puns with skydiving terminology. 11:11:00 But I'm I'm coming up Blank here, so unfortunately we found a gap in my knowledge. 11:11:04 Okay, well, son, why don't you tell us 11:11:06 Because It Scares, the Heck out of the Dogs. 11:11:16 Yeah, don't give me the Walmart 11:11:11 Alright, Alright. Here we go one before that's actually a really? 11:11:20 Yeah, it's not bad. 11:11:21 Good, yeah, very, good. okay. And for call, me, then, call me so my son tends to make up risque jokes, a little bit. 11:11:30 Nice 11:11:31 So I'm going to apologize this one's he's 11 years, old, this one he came up with and it's it's not too bad. 11:11:38 Okay. What do they call the back of Mount Russmore 11:11:43 It's funny already. 11:11:46 What do they call the back of Mount Ruts? That's gonna be the rear end of those people, signed up. 11:11:50 Yeah, has something to do with that, it's knowing it's an 11 year, old. 11:11:56 Son. Yeah, the answer, yeah is mount cracksborne 11:12:02 Nice nice 11:12:02 That's a very good. 11. Yeah, he. Oh, he thought it was just the best that's ever mental. And this one, I assume, he made up himself core. 11:12:11 He told me he did yeah, because I think your son has got an excellent future in writing jokes for crackers. 11:12:14 Yeah, absolutely 11:12:15 Actually do you guys have crackers here, like cookies, you mean, no, no, no. 11:12:19 Okay, so in England, we have a tradition at Christmas. We have things called crackers. 11:12:23 If anybody has enjoyed crackers, please put it into the Chamber. 11:12:26 I mean, when you say, crack is it up, brand or no actual it's it's like season crackers. 11:12:30 Like a Party favor. 11:12:32 No, not let it's like a type of gift, is it not? 11:12:35 It's like a rolled up. Yeah, it's a it's exactly. 11:12:35 Yeah, you pull it apart. 11:12:38 It's a it has an explosive in it. 11:12:45 Oh, yeah, no, I mean you pull it, apart and exploits it makes a cracking noise, and There's Usually a gift inside a paper like, ground, like extra paper crown and a little paper. Crown, and a little, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think your son, has got a good, good. 11:12:59 And fun fun fact, that's that's the leading calls of blindness in the Uk. 11:13:03 Future, oh, it's crackers! You think they'd stop the tradition, but no, they are so much. Fun. 11:13:12 Okay, so very average jokes from everybody. So I would accept a Paul Paul's no actually sums is waiting okay, just in the chat here, let's See Alicia says a happy. 11:13:32 Yeah 11:13:30 Holiday, to each and every one of you. Thank you I appreciate it, and to you also. 11:13:34 I'm that song is from greatest American hero, thanks a lot Jonathan. 11:13:38 We had already found that out, but yeah, it seems that Alicia has owner power, as well on the knowledge so thank you very much. 11:13:44 I'm actually also Alicia Dave says a raven has 17 flight feathers. 11:13:52 They are called pinions. A crow has 16 flight, feathers. 11:13:56 Therefore the difference between a raven and a crow is a matter of opinion. 11:14:01 I didn't even know okay, now, if anybody. 11:14:13 Okay. Now, if anybody has any any point, please feel free to change the Chat, soon, our Joke corner hours. 11:14:28 Yeah 11:14:16 Now, turning into interesting fact, I'm totally fine, with that amber says in order in answer to our question, our joke about what necola Kid who does not believe in so, and that says an adult well, that's a fair point yeah, rudolph my son, they're, also, his big 11:14:34 Thing. He's. They want us to tell them about Santa Claus. 11:14:38 My kids, like, I want to know if he really yeah, and his reasoning was, he's like dad. 11:14:44 You got to tell me if San is real or not, because when I grow up and I have my own kids. 11:14:49 Yeah I don't want to be sitting with my kid. 11:14:51 The night, at Christmas. Yeah, thinking, Santa's coming, and then none of us. 11:14:56 So yeah, so he's basically like, I need to know whether to buy gifts for my children. 11:14:59 Yes, it was pretty good. Love. It's small, and then it just made me think of him as a dad sitting there, with his yeah, I thought it was pretty good. 11:15:12 Sam, you have you have kids, right but I believe they're teenage. Girls, is that right? 11:15:16 Or am I making this up 11:15:17 Now I know I have one. I have a daughter, and a son. 11:15:20 No, don't. Honestly okay. 11:15:21 My son is 24, and my daughter is 17 11:15:23 Okay. Excellent. And to do either then still, believe in something. 11:15:29 Okay. 11:15:32 Obviously, right? 11:15:27 No, and it was well, I mean, obviously sand, is totally real, but it was it was a very traumatic experience. 11:15:36 When when my daughter finally kind of found out, yeah, so 11:15:36 Did you get stuck in the chimney, dressed up, how tremendous traumatic was it 11:15:46 No, but I I side note. I love, the thought of yeah, like. 11:15:50 Corey said as as his son's an Adult sitting there waiting with it with his child thinking. I don't know Buddy. I don't know if you're gonna get presence, this year we got about 20 more minutes until we're gonna know for sure you know 11:16:05 Yeah 11:16:00 That involves me, and I gotta come rushing over to give yeah, to give President it's a good excuse not to buy presence feature. Kids. 11:16:12 Yeah, it's not my fault. 11:16:09 Because you can just say. Well, it's sorry, but son, doesn't care about that I mean, I don't know what to tell you. 11:16:17 Alright, so a couple of things in the chat here, from Dr. Somebody. 11:16:23 I apologize. I don't see your whole name here. 11:16:30 That's all you need. 11:16:26 Just Dr. D, is all I see, but from Dr. Dave, one gate, name, right there what do you call a pig with lavingitis? 11:16:34 Now, we don't have the answer here, either. So I don't know you call it I just makes you a calls the voice box. 11:16:51 Don't know. Please, Dr. And how it has a computer question already. 11:16:57 Hello, Howard! This disgruntled Very good. Thank you. 11:17:01 Yes, we're on top of 11:17:11 How it has a computer question. How do you export my chrome favorites to an HTML, file. 11:17:11 That is a very good question, and off the top of my head. 11:17:14 I have no clue. It is not easy. I think. They make exporting amount into it there's a whole big, long process Howard call me but here's the thing why do. 11:17:23 Well, Hmm okay, if you're just setting up a new computer, you don't need to cause you can just sign in your home profile. Yeah, and then you get all your favorites anyway, but yeah, but how it. 11:17:39 Hmm. 11:17:31 Says, I am I am making my stream Xp Fs Playlist accessible on the computer Vlc, media Player will only play them in the so whatever that means, thank you but anyway, with all that's being said let's, Talk, about some Assistive technology, from this year, oh, some also I Didn't. 11:17:50 Know maybe you wanted and maybe you don't. I don't know. 11:17:52 But I notice you have a new series on your channel, about working professionals, and I believe there's 3 episodes up at the Moment I don't know if you wanted to take a minute to talk about that sewers and what's going on with that 11:18:03 Sure. Yeah, so it's it Kind of was spawned out of the the fact that I over the years I've gotten that question. 11:18:11 So many times I'm sure you guys have as well, people asking what what kind of jobs can blind people do? 11:18:22 Hmm. 11:18:16 It kind of is oftentimes goes hand in hand with what kind of what classes should blind people take in college, and my my response, is always I don't know what do you want to do do that? 11:18:27 That's what you want to do, do, that you know it's like it's more. 11:18:30 It's easier for me to tell you how many jobs we can't do. 11:18:26 Yeah yeah 11:18:32 You know I can. I can list that list, but I can't list what we can do, 11:18:40 Hmm. 11:18:45 Yeah. No. 11:18:51 Wow! 11:18:37 And so in an effort to help inspire people and and teach people about What's available to them, possibly potentially, I decided to do this, series in December, where every other Day in the December I am putting out a new interview with some really cool Vip in the community and talk about what 11:18:57 They do and some general questions about accommodations. You know how long they've been doing it that sort of thing. 11:19:05 Just to once again, hopefully, get the information out there, or what is possible and yes, we've been we've got a couple of episodes. Up. 11:19:13 So far it based on the response. It's been very very popular. 11:19:16 Right. 11:19:17 I'm sure we will continue this. Maybe every descendants or something will do the series Cory. 11:19:23 I'm probably gonna be reaching out to you, sir, for an interview 11:19:25 Oh, cool! Love to yeah, that's a that's a really cool thing to do. Some. 11:19:29 So yeah, kudos for you know, coming up with that idea and also, it sounds like it. 11:19:33 Must have been a lot of work. Because if you're releasing one every other day I mean that's a hell of a lot of interviews. 11:19:37 That, so, yeah. 11:19:38 It it is, it is yeah, luckily, you know, interviews are easier to Edit. 11:19:43 So we can. I can I can knock those out pretty quick. 11:19:43 That's true. Sure. Yeah. 11:19:46 But I have to in case she sees this in the future, I do have to give full credit. 11:19:51 To my wife this was her idea. She keeps reminding me to tell people that because I haven't yet. 11:19:52 Oh! Nice! 11:19:55 But yes, thank you, Rachel. She's the one that came up with the idea 11:19:59 Yeah, or, credit, like, but it's true. And I if people want to hear from your wife, then they can listen to your monthly live stream, remind me what the name of that is against some thank you. 11:20:12 Yes, yes, yes. 11:20:15 Yeah 11:20:25 Yeah 11:20:09 Yeah it's talk, back with the blind. Life. It's our video, podcast, that, we, do every every month, where we we kind of answer, Comments, for frequently asked, com are frequently, asked, questions, and comments, from the previous months videos, and then just we end up, just you know, laughing having a great time 11:20:29 And and we've been doing that now for a year and a half. 11:20:32 Yeah 11:20:31 Oh! Wow! That's awesome, and I believe I believe your wife is off camera. 11:20:36 But people can hear her talking. Is that correct? Yeah, okay, okay, well, that's really great. 11:20:44 So, some cool stuff going on with your channel, and obviously you had. 11:20:47 Oh, also for people who don't know and I think everybody probably, will. 11:20:38 Yeah, she's shy, she correct. 11:20:51 But I did put your channel into the chat there, as well, so it should just be Youtube com forward, slash the blind life is that the correct URL, yeah, so everybody you know if you're not aware of you haven't been there definitely, go and check out sam's, channel and you have a whole new Year's, worth 11:21:07 Of Content, this year as do we also, and so, yeah, so we're gonna talk about some of the things that we have had a chance to look at this year, some, new things, or it doesn't. 11:21:18 Necessarily have to be things that release this year. But maybe just something that you, you know, checked out for the first time this year as well and we're gonna give our thoughts about those things and if anybody, in the chat saw any assistive, technology, this year or you know any consumer, technology really just anything that they 11:21:33 Checked out for the first time this year, and thought was cool, then feel free to also put that in the Chat as Well, but in the Meantime let's get started so I have a list on my phone here of things that we came up with and the first thing on the list is the 11:21:48 Arcs vision glasses. So that seems like a good place to start there, because I know some that that you saw the Arcs vision as well right? 11:21:56 Because you have a you have a video, on the arts vision is that correct? 11:22:00 No, I don't have a video. I I did an evaluation, though this year with them. 11:22:00 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. 11:22:05 And so, i, I have seen it. It's it's actually sitting on a shelf over here somewhere. 11:22:10 But haven haven't officially made a video. You 11:22:08 Oh, cool, awesome. Okay. Fair. Enough. So we did. Do. A video that released. 11:22:14 Well, Couple of Months yeah, okay, so we did a, video that released a month ago, now, these guys, I actually did have the opportunity to meet with them a few years. 11:22:26 Ago, when I was still working at the Chicago lighthouse at the time their device was called the Horace and it was coming out of Italy. 11:22:33 They came, and showed it to me. There, and it wasn't particularly great at the time. 11:22:40 Things change, and everything. And now they have the arcs, vision and so Corey and I looked at it and yeah, if you want to see you know, just all of the different Features. 11:22:51 And stuff. Then you could go check out our video. And I think it's fair to say, that we felt like had some strengths and some yeah, I think for those you know, who hadn't had a chance, to check out, our video basically it is a Bone Conduction, Pair of headphones, with a camera built 11:23:04 In Wire connecting directly into your android, smartphone only android smartphone. And then it gives you very similar features that you might see like in seeing AI, or envision AI app where you get short, text full document, reading facial recognition seen Description, things like that 11:23:23 I think it's a good start. I I I personally wouldn't purchase one just yet I think you know the there was some definite some things that are holding it bad. 11:23:37 Things didn't work quite public well, that in a combination of there are there are there are alternative ways to do the same thing, for much less expensive. 11:23:48 If you already have the android phone, then you have access to envision AI for free. 11:23:52 Now where you can do short text, you can do full document, you can do facial recognition. 11:23:57 So we're gonna look out. As well, exactly so then, at this point, really, what the arts vision, is providing is doing at hands-free. 11:24:05 Now we did, say, like when the be my eyes and Ira integration roles in that will be a bit of a Pl in its category. 11:24:14 Because now you're getting hands free camera with those cited assistant, apps. 11:24:17 But at this point, I think there's Cheaper and Honestly better ways to do some of that stuff. 11:24:22 Yeah, but there's potential. I'm pricewise, I think we were looking at what? 11:24:25 1,599, so you're still talk I mean you're under 1,500, but still, a lot of for an 80 device. 11:24:33 It's cheap, but you know, just as a general purchase. 11:24:35 It's still, you know, fairly expensive, and it does have to connect to your own android phone. 11:24:39 How was your experience with it, Sam? I'm curious. What were your thoughts 11:24:43 So yeah, very similar to what you guys have said You know, I I like certain things about it. 11:24:49 I like the user, interface. I like all the little sound queues, very melodic. 11:24:54 Yeah yeah 11:24:55 Sam queues that they have. I liked. How you could just you know swipe back and forth to each feature, or using the buttons. 11:25:08 That's what I was gonna say 11:25:17 Call me, feels exactly the same 11:25:05 I like I liked certain aspects of the Hardware the very big tactile buttons, those were great the Bone Conducting Headphones, I've never been a big Fan of Bone Conducting Headphones, yeah, They Just the Vibration in my Head It's, It's Annoying 11:25:36 Yeah yeah 11:25:23 And then and you know, Corey could probably relate being visually impaired, we rely so much on hearing that you know at first first glance, you would think that being able to keep your ears open would be a benefit but it's really hard for me to focus on the headphones, when i'm hearing 11:25:42 Yeah 11:25:41 Everything else around me, but and then the other thing with the hardware, which may only be because I have a giant head is that it just wasn't Comfortable. 11:25:52 It wasn't big enough for me. 11:25:52 Oh, we have the same problem with yeah, that was our video. Same thing. 11:25:56 Yeah 11:25:58 I I have never had a in those specifically, I've used some of the aftershocks, ones, and they they were better, but these any any of those that have that that firm plastic around. The back of the yeah, exactly so 11:26:10 Right yeah, yeah, yeah, and then the the camera module unit was a little heavy, so kind of weighed down on that one side, and then the main issue. 11:26:21 I had with it was that my app was crashing left and right. 11:26:24 Oh, Jason! 11:26:25 Yeah, just all so many times during my testing and you know, they said, that that that's obviously fi fixable and updates, and all of that, but 11:26:36 You know. I told them. Well, That's that's 11:26:36 And they must have fixed that, Sam, because we don't I, don't think we got a single crash. 11:26:42 Oh! 11:26:43 Maybe we I don't ever recall thinking to myself, managing crashing a lot. 11:26:50 So so it sounds like maybe they did address that 11:26:50 Yeah, it was almost, maybe it was it was almost unusable. 11:26:53 Hmm, okay. Oh, wow! That's that's not good. 11:26:54 When I was testing it. Yeah, yeah. 11:26:56 Yeah, so yeah, we didn't have that problem. So I think they have fixed that aspect, at least, I think our main issue. 11:27:01 With it was that like, temperature Oh, yeah, that's a good point. I just get kind of warm to be more in the head 11:27:11 So that was definitely one issue for any length of time. Yeah, it's got a sunburn on the right side of my yeah. Yeah. 11:27:16 Yeah 11:27:17 But then, other, than that, like the Ocr I actually thought, was fairly decent and I liked the way. 11:27:22 It gave instructions for positioning the text. I thought all of that Stuff worked quite well, but the other features really in like, they weren't very very great like for example, we did Object Identification we are trying to locate chairs having a lot, of problem doing it it it's not it's you would never do it 11:27:39 Because it's just so much effort. You know, and it just doesn't work properly. 11:27:43 And that's the conversation we've had before, like first of all and I for the for the Arcs vision like these limations are less about the the device itself, and Just, where that Object and Scene description is you know it's, not the Capabilities, of AI is but 11:28:02 There's also the piece of and we see we did this in our video, where like you know you use the facial recognition, and it takes you know the arcs, vision especially took you know A. 11:28:11 Good, minute and a half for it. To say Luke where I could just pop my head and go look in. 11:28:15 Here yep. Okay, thank you overhill, and that's somewhat, too. 11:28:16 Yeah 11:28:19 Or a way. We talk is like what is what's the realistic use case of some of these things, where sure when you read it on paper, it sounds cool. 11:28:27 Yeah, and then, you try it, and it sounds cool. But then you're like, boy in real, life, yeah, so yeah, it's you know, it's not a bad device. 11:28:36 I. Think it has. Potential. But it's you know. It's not. 11:28:41 It's not amazing, the cool, thing about that device in any other device, even some of the apps, that are cell phone, based they're the Hardware itself, is just the camera, I mean all of the brains is in software, so that arcs vision I mean, with software software updates it's gonna continue to 11:29:00 Get better and Better and Better and Better and we had some 2 cameras, yes, and at some point you know we're gonna be talking about how great these devices are to walk into a room and know everything that's going on so we're just not there, yeah, yeah, there's a challenge with the 11:29:15 Speed, of recognition and the usefulness of recognition, and being able to tell you how far away old things are, and give you usable directions to get to them stuff like that yeah, also, false false parts of the description. 11:29:25 Yeah, so there's a lot of a lot of room fall improvement in general, with that side of things, but you know, if you want awareable Ocr Device, and you have an android, phone, and the all Cam is out of price range then you know it's it's out there and the 11:29:45 Ocr stuff is at least decent out. So Sam, I'm just curious. 11:29:48 This is a product, that's not well, maybe it is on our list of and maybe it's a good transition. 11:29:53 But how would you I have not had a yet a chance to test the envision, AI glasses, how would you compare envision AI's glasses to like the arcs? 11:30:03 Vision, when we look at like short text and full document, reading how how would you say they compare to to each other. 11:30:24 Sure Joe. 11:30:30 Okay. 11:30:10 Well, I. I preface by saying it's it's been quite a while since I tested the the glasses and then also once again, I can only go by what my experience with were was with the Arcs vision so I would say envision outperformed it all around just because it 11:30:33 Hey! 11:30:32 Wasn't crashing on me, you know I I did have some issues with with some of the the Features on Envision as well I think they've updated it quite a bit since I had a chance. 11:30:43 To test it, out. So I think they fixed a lot of those issues. 11:30:48 But just comparing the 2, my experiences with the 2 I would say, envision was better 11:30:51 Okay, nice, how much does the envision cost some? Do you know to top your 11:30:56 I think it's around the same as the other. 11:30:58 Where was like, 2,500, something around, there. Yeah. 11:31:01 Okay, and everything's built in with those ones. Right. We're not connecting to an external phone, or anything like that 11:31:06 Correct yeah, it's it's using Google's Glass, Google, glass Headset, goggle. 11:31:13 Yeah, yeah. 11:31:13 Whatever you want to call them. little bit of a drawback. It's since it's a fixed unit. 11:31:19 Hmm. 11:31:18 It's only on the right side. So if you're a left hander, you're gonna have to get used to using your right. Hand 11:31:25 It's 11:31:32 Oh! 11:31:37 Oh, yeah. 11:31:23 Cool. You know it. It's funny that you mentioned that I was actually just on the website, looking it up and some of the Photos that they show have it on the left side, but they must have reversed the images then because all they've changed the design at least one Google Glass, maybe are Reversible or I mean, I 11:31:43 Yeah 11:31:52 Oh, yeah. 11:31:42 don't know how many versions how many they put out it. Looks like this one's taken into a mirror, but it's not immediately clear that that's the case you may or may not. Be. Able. To use it if you elect, them I don't 11:31:57 Yeah yeah 11:31:57 think you could put it on your left. It looks like this is a mirror 11:32:03 It was fairly easy it was yeah, I didn't. 11:32:19 Yeah 11:32:06 I didn't have any problems I didn't have any any you know, negative experience with that it seemed pretty easy to operate, couple of the Features of the Modes were not Offline you had to be connected to Internet at the time. 11:32:21 That I re, I reviewed it even the envision ally, calling an ally you had to be on Internet, so I I actually I was like you know, I told my daughter, like okay, I'm gonna go walk about 3 blocks, out in our neighborhood, and then, I'm, gonna return. 11:32:37 Right. 11:32:38 Recording myself, i'm gonna call you and you're gonna be my envision ally and you're gonna help me like read a sign or something. 11:32:41 Sure, so, yeah. 11:32:43 And I walk all the way out there, carrying my camera on, my tripod and all this stuff. I get all set up. And then I go to caller and it says, you know you must be connected to Internet, what how useful, is that gonna be 11:32:52 Oh, Jeeze is. Yeah, right is there a way to like hotspot to your phone do you think, or is it just I'm just thinking, you know how so it just straight dustin. 11:33:01 No. No. Yeah. Yeah. And there was there was some, other, there's like a scene recognition. 11:33:09 I forget exactly which ones. There were few others that also needed to be connected to Wi-fi. 11:33:14 Yeah 11:33:15 And I even said that in the video I said, If I could use a hot spot on my phone. 11:33:28 Yeah, sure yeah, yeah. 11:33:18 That would maybe be good. I mean the the at the Glasses are connected, to the envision app anyways, I didn't see I couldn't understand why I couldn't use the mobile data on my phone to Make the call but I think that is one of the things they have fixed since then 11:33:35 Yeah 11:33:33 You would sure. Hope. So. Yeah, well, that's cool spat, Lana here does. 11:33:41 Confirm, that you can use a hotspot with them. 11:33:43 Okay. 11:33:44 Now and also, that they have Ira, on envision, already. 11:33:48 So that's really nice. I want to get a parent. 11:33:50 I think they'd be worth yeah, we can check them out and then also, there are voice commands available for operation. 11:33:55 As also thank you, spotlana for that. So yeah, with the Iris service. 11:34:00 I mean, that's definitely a nice, thing, considering Iva don't have their own glasses anymore. 11:34:05 So I would like to see these companies who are in that are integrating Iraq to make sure they're integrating b my eyes as well I think more options the better especially with Iran just recently changing it's, no longer 5 min, once a Day now, it's, 5 min, every 48 11:34:25 Yeah yeah 2 days. Yeah. 11:34:24 hours, It's 48 h. Yeah, I think it's 48, h they're. Now changing some of that which you know i'll be honest makes me a little nervous, about Longevity, although I will also. 11:34:37 Be honest, and say Ira has been long around longer than I thought they would. 11:34:40 Yeah, be just from the I love the service. And I think it's it's one of a kind and terrific. 11:34:46 But I just think the model is really tough. I mean, you can see why they're making it every 48 h. 11:34:51 Because obviously they need to make, money, right, exactly. I mean it makes sense. but yeah, it's it's tough. 11:34:58 Relying on that. You know once a day 5 min, call or whatever but I do, so I like to see be my eyes getting also getting included in most of these and I think they are by the way, as we talk about things, if anybody. Doesn't know what something. 11:35:09 Is and needs us to elaborate. Then just let us know in the chat, because sometimes we're going to throw out names, or whatever that's that you might not be aware of alright, just watch our video let's break it up a little bit here, I do have another. 11:35:29 We have a bunch of horrible devices. I think I mean it kind of makes sense, because wherevables are. 11:35:32 You know one of the more devastating areas in the low assistive technology. I think I think you would agree. 11:35:38 Sam. That there's still a lot of room for improvement with a lot of these wearable devices. 11:35:42 Oh, absolutely! Absolutely! 11:35:43 Yeah, yeah, so I think it's gonna continue to be one of the developing areas, but let's break it up. 11:35:48 A little bit from talking about whereverable devices and let's talk about the extremely exciting iphone, 14, and Ios 16, I will say that I think the one thing that made me the most excited this year. 11:36:04 Yes, was a single feature of the iphone. 14. Okay, any guess on what you think that might be what is the most exciting single feature of the iphone 14. 11:36:17 I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not 11:36:16 For all of 2,023 by the phone itself. 11:36:22 You're saying, Yeah, yeah, this tells you how much I think 22 is sort of sleeper. 11:36:31 For I think that this one feature was like the best thing that happened to blind people. 11:36:34 I know. I think some's an ongoing user. 11:36:36 So, this. Oh, okay. Fair enough. 11:36:36 Well, no, no. I'm I'm both I so I'm kind of trying. To think of what like Hardware Wise it has on it that would be different 11:36:46 It is something that is only available on the on the 14. 11:36:50 But yeah, I believe I'm almost so. It is but it, seemed. And so it is. 11:36:55 Actually, yeah, because it is actually hardware, basically it seems weird, that it is hardware. 11:36:58 Based, yeah, it's it's the Startup and shutdown sound. 11:37:01 Oh! 11:37:02 That you can consider that I know. I tell I'm telling you. 11:37:06 It's so, it's such a dumb feature, but no, it makes such a huge difference. 11:37:11 Why, we made it to 2,022, before having a startup and shutdown sound on the iphone, , for those who aren't aware if you have had an iphone any any other Iphone, other than the Iphone 14. 11:37:24 When you turn it on or off, that, like you basically you know, do the turn on or turn off action. 11:37:32 But you don't know if it's actually working or not, because it doesn't make any noise to indicate until like let's say that you're using voice over if you turn it on eventually voice over, talk but it takes a while for that to actually happen but now when you turn on the phone so you hold down the 11:37:46 Power, Button, or whatever and you actually get a little chime to let you know that it's turned and it's specific to the iphone 14 because that chime is hardware, yeah, which is crazy because it's doing it before yeah, exactly so it makes sense. 11:38:01 So it, will 11:38:08 That's so silly to me, so if 11:38:00 Why it is yeah, but I, basically that they basically have a little bell inside the phone that that somebody rings when it's turning on it is I mean, it's, it's it is very silly and and and I think, turning off the phone, was never it was that was less yeah, but 11:38:17 I found for myself, I've many times had I have a just enough vision where I can tell if something's on the screen, I've many times had to look to see that it was booting up and you see really people got real nervous when they were up. 11:38:30 Updating, their phones, and got to be restarting. 11:38:34 You just never know for sure. Yeah, it was coming on or not. 11:38:37 And why it? Why it took apple that long and again, it's such a it it is such a dumb feature to say it's but it's one of the more so helpful I don't want to say exciting things. 11:38:48 What else? One of the better things in 2022, while you were one team, was garb who was boring 11:38:49 I will also point out that that I will point out that the Android users have had that for like a decade now 11:38:55 Yeah, I'm pretty sure. The first Android phone had that 11:39:01 Yeah, cause. It's the kernel. When the Kernel boots up, when the kernel boots up before the OS, starts it plays the sign up yeah. 11:39:04 Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense, that makes a little sense. Yeah, there's no fight. 11:39:09 And that was that was an absolute winfrey, I mean, I feel like screen me to uses now it's not so much of an issue on PC these days because with solid-state, drives, the OS, Loads, real quick anyway, but Yeah, if You're, a Jaws. 11:39:21 User and you turn on the computer before Jaw speaks. It's the same issue. 11:39:24 Yeah 11:39:24 Oh, here's here you can hear the fan at least. 11:39:27 I'm not a lot of the new hard, not on a lot of the New Laptops. 11:39:30 This the Ssds are they're obviously silent and most that's a bands aren't coming on I Work with clients that they can't tell. 11:39:38 If it's booting up yes, that's an issue, too. 11:39:41 So, yeah, so I mean, traditionally, when you turn on a computer, you would hear, the fan kicking. 11:39:45 So even if you hadn't heard your screen reader, at least you'd know that it was on. 11:39:49 But yeah, no, you're totally right. Now, you can't hear the Hard drive spinning up anymore. 11:39:53 And it's you know it's it's one of those things. 11:39:56 It's like that would be so easy to implement because you could just put it into the Bios of the computer, that Would Trigger as soon as you hit the power Button 11:40:05 Yeah 11:39:53 Yeah yeah yeah, it has no problem making those error, beeps. Whenever there's a problem, you know, memory issue, or whatever they could do something for us, all right, Bill, if you're listening let's get it saw it in windows. 11:40:14 Oh, you know he's he's watching 11:40:13 12. Your bill is doesn't care, and is not all if you're in the Chat, there's probably a bill watching watching is going to be really confused. 11:40:25 Yeah, but yeah, so, I mean, Sam, did you have you had a chance to use the iphone 14, and if so any thoughts about 11:40:36 No, I haven't had a chance. I'm I'm still way. Back on the the 12 pro Max, I am 11:40:40 Okay. Well, just so, you know, Sam, you have used the Iphone. 14. 11:40:44 That's what I was thinking like, I I didn't. I didn't. 11:40:44 Then, yeah, that. 11:40:49 Think there was anything, that much different the but I am on fully up to date on 16 and everything and and Everything's going well, so far anyway. 11:40:55 Let's talk about that in a second. But yeah, I just wanted to say to people just to make it clear, that basically, the way, that corey, and I and also apparently, some feel, about the iphones, is that it's, just so boring these days when they release a new phone, because the features, that they 11:41:13 are to feature, that you're very unlikely to even use or care about and so I mean, I'm using an iphone 8 and whatever I don't care is fine so well, apart, from the fact that actually I dropped it. 11:41:30 The minor problem, right 11:41:25 And now that microphone doesn't work so when people call they can't hear me and they still haven't got new, phone why are people even calling you as well, but yeah, I mean, I mean, there's nothing. 11:41:54 Yeah 11:41:39 I apart from the turning on and turning off, it's not iphone, specific i android phones, E the new Pixels, the Galaxies, they're, They're all most of the time, are always Faster Process, or better camera, yeah the only ones, that are somewhat interesting in the android State. 11:41:58 environment is like the flip or folding phones. 11:42:01 I mean that those are different. They're unique, something's different. 11:42:06 Yeah, you could. Argue it's just gimmicky, though you know. 11:42:10 Yeah 11:42:04 There, but other than that it's you know. Better screen better camera, yes, exactly well, and yeah, yeah, and the costs are just astronomical, but apparently, a lot of people are still willing to pay there's, always a lot, yeah, as long as they're, willing to pay then, apple, and anybody. Else. 11:42:22 To just keep on pumping out this stuff, are you putting up your hand, cuz, you're willing to pay no, no, no, we just have a note from Spencer Peterson on Youtube saying that could be turned down Sam's Audio just to touch because we've done on Sums and I 11:42:38 Believe well, then we can turn us up. It's just a voice. 11:42:39 I just turned it down. One click does that any better 11:42:40 Okay, so, i'm, just turn it on one. Click. So I guess we'll see how that goes. 11:42:45 Okay. Quick. Question in the Chat here from Diane, Diane asks, do we have a video with instructions on how to use the iphone for Amd, people, Diane, we do on our Youtube, channel, we have a playlist and in that playlist, there are a few videos regarding 11:43:01 Iphone accessibility. And those would be the ones that you'd want to check out. 11:43:05 Because those are going to cover all of the accessibility options that will be relevant to you know to Amd. 11:43:11 So I am putting in the chat here a link to our Youtube, channel. 11:43:17 If you need further Assistance with accessing that Stuff, then you can send us an email and I'll help you. 11:43:24 I'll send you some direct links to the playlist what's, our email. 11:43:26 Just to forget is it is check. Connect. Thank you. Yes, at Vision Dashboard, done thank you very much. 11:43:33 If I can spell that would be wonderful Alright, there we go, cool. 11:43:39 So yes, Diane if if you aren't able to find the playlist on our Youtube channel, then just get in touch 11:43:46 Okay, so Ios, 16, okay, it's the sixteenth, Ios and as you might as well, just some spectacular new features Corey, including the ability to Delete and Edit, I. 11:44:03 Messages. That's why we did a video on that didn't, we did. Yeah. 11:44:05 So now, we do have a video on our Youtube channel, about some of these features. 11:44:09 So. Yes, we can we have how long is it? 4 min, 6 min, 10 s. 11:44:17 Is that actually correct according to John man, who produced the video exactly. 11:44:24 He's wait. Is that the length of the video, or how long we have to get rid of a message. 11:44:28 Now no, no, that's the link. Oh, okay. Okay. 11:44:34 So with Ios, 16, we have 2 min in which we can erase a message that we sent to other iphone what those 2 min in which we can erase, a message, that we sent to other Iphone users, now they will see that we've erased the message but they won't know what the message 11:44:53 said so that could be handy. We all can also unseen. 11:44:57 An email. I think we only have like, a 20, s, one, yeah, it's short short amount of time to unseen an email. 11:45:04 So if we accidentally send an email and then regret it instantly whether we can undo that. 11:45:21 Yeah, you'd be surprised 11:45:08 We also have let's see, we also have the automatic punctuation, while we're dictating oh, that's a great yeah, actually does work. Although now, we've all been trained, well, you say that call me but i mean, people who who have been using dictation, well, you say, that call 11:45:27 Me there's a lot of people. I think I'm out there who just dictate still without thinking about punishment and the also punctuation, works surprisingly. 11:45:35 Well, I did do pretty good. Yeah, so that was a nice feature door to detection, and in the magnifier door purse Image is pretty good. Yeah. 11:45:46 So those are some of the other things that we Covid, in our video, some of you had a chance to try. Ios 16, I, think you said you're fully updated, didn't you so what do you think about that 11:46:02 Sean yep. 11:46:06 As right. Yeah, that's right yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing. 11:45:54 Yeah, no, I have. I haven't really had a time to dive into it other than the things that everybody's kind of reporting on. You know how you can take backgrounds out of pictures and then drag it right into a message and all this kinda cool stuff that i'll never use 11:46:14 Yeah 11:46:11 Yeah that that demo is great, but then nobody actually uses them. 11:46:17 Well, yeah, I mean, that background thing though that you refer to some, is pretty amazing. 11:46:20 Well, I have to say I haven't tried it for myself, but I've seen other people try it on videos. 11:46:24 And you can literally like, if you have taken a photo of something, and Let's say there's an object in the photo, and you just want that object from the photo, you can hold your finger down on it I believe is how it works and you can literally extract just the object from the Photo and 11:46:39 then you like you say you can use it in other things. 11:46:40 You can message it to people or things like that and it works seems to work amazingly. 11:46:48 Yeah 11:46:44 Well, so, but not necessarily relevant to you know vision, impairment, or like that one thing you can do, though as well as you can customize the home screen, and that includes changing the clock so you can change the clocks, kind of font style and color or the lax screen yeah, yeah, so is that something 11:47:02 You experimented with some at all, or not really 11:47:03 I have. Yeah, I played around with the lock screen thing just trying to see. 11:47:06 What how big I can make the clock cause. I'm always trying to make it bigger. 11:47:08 Yeah, exactly, yeah, totally, yeah, did you did you my shoe? Get it to a good size, or. 11:47:13 It's not bad. They have a couple, but I wish they would have just a like a solid bul. 11:47:21 Yeah 11:47:22 Text, clock, without a date. I don't care about the data. 11:47:23 Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:47:25 I already know the date. I just want the clock and as big as I wanted 11:47:28 Yeah, I totally agree with you, I think on Android there's some better choices to that is that fair to say 11:47:37 Right. Of, course, yeah, yeah. 11:47:33 Yeah, but but there's also a tons of like lock screen replacement apps. You can get and things like that so you just have much more, customizable options on android 11:47:41 Yeah that's the whole thing with android is. You just have. 11:47:44 It's it's a lot less locked down. 11:47:47 Yeah 11:47:45 So you do end up with some more customizable options, including I mean the ability to download complete Kind of operating system, layers that will sit on top and just make the phone easy to Use big launcher, is one that's has been around for a while and you know if you are struggling, to use 11:48:01 Your phone. Because it's too complex, you can get something like big. Launcher, it Sits on top of what you would normally see, and it just has very large high contrast buttons. 11:48:11 And just for the basic features called in texting and things like that 11:48:12 Right. 11:48:14 So yeah, that that is definitely. Why I do, like, about Android okay, cool, do. We have anything else to say about Iowa, 16, if you have an iphone probably just upgrade because I think it's, okay, to upgrade, yeah, I don't see, any issue. 11:48:26 Upgrading at this, point, yeah, yeah, and it's it was pretty stable, pretty good with voice over at the gate. 11:48:33 I think actually, it was Yeah, I was surprised. It fixed a number of bugs that Didn't Introduce to too many which is surprising. 11:48:39 There's still a number of things there, there was I thought that you said. You wish you hadn't have updated, because there was some issue oh, that was just because I was using an Iphone. 8. 11:48:51 Well, it was okay. That was the lowest, the oldest phone. 11:48:53 That could update to Ios 16, and it was performance issues. 11:48:57 Yeah, but saying, that though since they updated, the update, so we're on version 16.2, yeah, actually the operation seems to be a lot. 11:49:07 Better. Now, so okay, yeah, you dropped your phone. Yeah, exactly, yeah, I slug, it's just throw your phone, or something. 11:49:16 You'll be final note on the Iphone just to clarify you have 2 min to totally delete, a message, 15 min to edit, excellent. 11:49:24 Okay. 2 min to delete and 15. To edit. 11:49:29 Yeah, we forgot to mention that we can also edit your messages. 11:49:31 So you don't have to just delete. So you can like if you text your boss, telling them that you're home for a party like I did in the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I I fired, you Yeah, and then, I Yeah, I just did. It I was like, I was very sick. 11:49:46 And that's, why, I was, yeah, okay, cool. so God, we're running out of time here already. 11:49:54 It's pretty unbelievable, time. Is it? 11:49:55 So we have 10 to and I know some has to. Shoot, so let's let's ask Sam before he has to to Boogie I'm curious what his fee I told you that the startup Sound on the Iphone, 14 was my favorite so the whole Gear, of everything, came out. 11:50:12 It's what he thinks of, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, look at that list tell me I'm wrong. 11:50:18 No, I mean I the like the Irish vision Inspire, the vision buddy, those are more low vision but I think for Linus, now there has been a lot of a lot, of other good Products, coming out yeah, I I think, the startup, sounds so I'm, just curious though Sam Lee, what what for you what's 11:50:41 a standout for 2022 11:50:45 Oh, well. We I saw at at Csun earlier, this year. 11:50:50 I saw the the dot, Pad I think, is what they're calling it 11:50:54 Okay, cool, how many lines are we talking about here. 11:50:58 Oh gosh, it was something like 16 by 16. 11:51:04 I think, yeah, and then they had a, they, had an even larger. 11:51:05 Wow. So, 16, so, okay, okay, yeah. 11:51:09 Something like that. Yeah, it was it was, around. Yeah. And then they had a larger one. 11:51:14 That was 32 by 32. 11:51:15 I think, is what it was. Yeah, it was it was insane. 11:51:15 Oh, wow. Oh, okay. Okay. That's cool. Oh, my God. 11:51:18 They could. Do, you know full pictures it? A ph was working on something called the graffiti. 11:51:24 Yeah 11:51:23 For a, while there, and it's similar to that, but 11:51:28 Yeah, that was kinda cool, they were demoing, that at Csun, I've got that in my csun coverage, video, 11:51:33 Let's just break that down. A second. For so for people who aren't aware this is a basically, a Braille Tablet device the issue with Braille devices, traditionally has been the number of cells, because the less cells you have then the less kind of reading you can do although that's 11:51:57 Yes. 11:51:46 not true my question on these 4, so that these full-page kind of multi-lying, yes, Braille Displays in the Skates 30, by 10, okay, explained it. Tell me if I'm not a every day Braille, User I Don't Use a Braille, Display Every Day, but 11:52:03 myas, my thought, a process on this is it's not so much that you would want one of the Multi-line Braille displays for reading because the Refreshable Moves pretty fast. 11:52:16 But it's real advantage is what you were just saying. 11:52:21 Yeah 11:52:18 I'm like Pictures map, that kind of stuff. Is that really where the biggest use case for multi-line displays are is that what we're thinking 11:52:28 I think so and I think it really for like education, for students, for 11:52:31 Yeah yeah yeah yeah 11:52:33 Well, this also has it's connected to it. They had to connect it to an ipad, and they had a a program. 11:52:46 Guys, super cool. Yeah, true. 11:52:40 Where you like it was like a drawing pad, and you could draw on the ipad with your finger, and it would translate over into the the cells. So that someone could follow along and then you know but yeah, put 11:52:52 You know how it do you remember like these those like these plastic boxes with mel Pins in and you could press things with your hand in it. 11:53:00 Yeah, yeah, that's what it kind of reminds, me of that. 11:52:58 Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly the same thing. Yeah, yeah, but they, I mean, they had. 11:53:03 Yeah yeah 11:53:04 Pictures, of of Logos. They were demoing like the Facebook Logo in on this tablet. 11:53:11 So so you know someone 11:53:13 I'm sorry I'm sorry. Don't don't come at me. 11:53:10 That's cool. I think you I think you might met some let's let's get right 11:53:17 Zuckerberg, yeah, yeah, so so if something is, has no idea what a you know you always hear Emoji smiling Emoji with heart eyes, and you have no. 11:53:28 Idea what that even means because you've never seen it. 11:53:26 Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't thought of that. 11:53:31 You could feel, yeah. 11:53:32 Yeah, yeah, that's really cool, yeah. And I know that dots, the their cell technology, is not The traditional. 11:53:38 Was it PA's? Are they normally use with the traditional it's, not they're not using the traditional cells, because the problem historically has been price, I mean you can make something. 11:53:47 With a lot, of cells. But price. Wise. It would be insane. 11:53:50 But whatever dot-sell technology is, then it's a lot cheaper to manufacture. 11:53:59 Yeah 11:53:55 I think so they can come out a better price, and they already have the they've had the watch out for a while, which is just like a four-sell watch and everything but they've been talking about this yeah, about their tablet, for quite a while but is, it is it commercially available do you know some or is 11:54:10 It, still in development. 11:54:11 It looks pretty commercially Available to me. I'm not, sure. 11:54:15 Yeah 11:54:13 Okay, cool. Awesome. Okay. Yeah, very. Cool carol. Says, music. 11:54:20 Oh, yeah. 11:54:20 As well could be yeah, the thing with I mean, the thing with that is that it depends, whether your instrument needs both hands, or not you know, like if you're playing trumpet you can't really we if you're not skillful, I guess if you're, not skillful. 11:54:49 I'm trying to think of an instrument that doesn't use. 11:54:51 Both hands. 11:54:43 The Braille, but I mean you can learn it. Though I guess you could learn it for for yeah, yeah, yeah, very cool, anything else well, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure there is one well, I mean deaf, leopard's drama. 11:54:58 Technically, that's one. Yeah. 11:54:56 Has one I don't know has one arm. Right? So then stop him. He also didn't need A Multi page Braille Display either. 11:55:04 You couldn't use it, anyway. 11:55:08 Well, no, but maybe it would help him. I don't know. I feel like even if he did. 11:55:12 Yeah 11:55:08 He still probably would have figured out cause he sounds like the kind of guy who just gets it done you know, I agree somewhat related note those needle-push. 11:55:16 Things are called threed clone pins, the sort of matrix things. 11:55:21 Okay, press a hand in it, scala a threed clone PIN. Okay. Great. 11:55:23 Look at Jonathan. He's on it, man 11:55:23 I never knew the name of those so there we go. Oh, call yeah, okay, cattle says, not necessarily for music, while, Playing, but for Composing, awesome. 11:55:31 Yeah, that's a. Very good. Point. Yeah, yeah, very, cool. 11:55:35 Yeah, so I wonder whether you could get a composition pro program on the computer, or the ipad, or something like, that. 11:55:40 And then output that out to the answer to the tablet. 11:55:44 Yeah 11:55:43 Well, something that someone was talking about that would be super helpful. 11:55:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hmm yeah, hopefully, circuits. Yeah, yes, okay, yeah. 11:55:47 Is like in science, class, demonstrating, like the the different parts of the cell or a a electronic schematic, those are things that are hard to kind of describe, to a blind person yeah, so if they could actually, feel, it that would be so much more. 11:56:03 Geometry. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Lots of awesome, potential applications. 11:56:08 Some. I don't know. It's a 5 to I don't know if you have to jump off here. 11:56:12 I do guys. I appreciate it. I'm sorry I have to run 11:56:13 If so, okay, no, it's all good, thanks. So much for keep them wanting. 11:56:17 Yeah 11:56:17 More, it's a good check. Exactly. Yeah, there you go. 11:56:20 Cool. Well, yeah, we'll speak to you again, Sam. 11:56:22 And again, if anybody wants to visit Sam's Channel go to Youtube com forward, slash the blind life, I recommend doing it he's got some great content. 11:56:29 Bye, bye for now yeah, bye-bye, that's the That's the Exit. 11:56:42 Coy, we still have a bunch of stuff to talk about. 11:56:44 But suddenly we're out of time here. As well, so I'm wondering, because we are going to be here next thursday, and we will talk next 2 weeks. 11:56:49 So on the 20, s, yeah, we are actually going to be here. 11:56:52 And we didn't have a show scheduled. 11:56:53 I'm wondering whether we just do and just meeting let's talk about the rest of these I think, Let's do a Combination of Chatting, a little bit more of this. 11:57:00 But I'd also like to do like an ama. 11:57:02 You know, ask us any instead of Ama. It would be an aua ask us, anything. 11:57:07 Yeah, so you guys, for those that are going to join us on the 20 s, just bring your own questions. 11:57:14 We'll have our you know stuff. Here we'll answer. 11:57:17 What we know. We'll look up stuff. If we don't, yeah, but let's just do sort of like a open E for me, chatty questioning answer, talkie, hold math, ease a lot of a lot of these hopefully, we won't have any questions. 11:57:31 As difficult as the One, Posed by Howard, well, that's why, I said, we'd bring our computer, I think, any good at Trainer, yeah, we'll find things up will be the fun the pressure is can you find. 11:57:43 Something, out, live in a short timeframe sure okay. 11:57:48 Cool well, we'll put calls in 2 weeks. 11:57:53 Yeah, so yeah, come with the questions and we will also talk about any other assistive technology, that we saw this year, that so we didn't have a chance to talk about today sadly, Sam will not be joining us, next time, but hopefully corey, and I have enough pull ourselves. 11:58:04 We'll see how about percent percent percent percent percent percent percent percent percent percent 11:58:31 Thanks for joining us for another, tech, connect, live if you Enjoyed Corey and Luke's antics be sure to join us next time for all things tech connect go to vision Dashboard all Tech connect 11:58:55 Oh!

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Tech Connect LIVE! iOS 16 is here...but is it any good? Join us on Thursday, Oct 13th for the latest mind-bending episode of Vision Forward's Tech Connect, the show where we dare to ask the question: Is any of this technology any good?!

In this episode we discuss the merits (or otherwise) of iOS 16. Do any of the new features warrant any excitement, or is it a case of a big load of nothing? Join us to find out!

Remember, we love community engagement and participation on this show, so make sure to come prepared with your questions, comments, and (most importantly) jokes! We look forward to seeing you then!

Timestamps: 5:00 Introduction 7:00 iPhone 14 (Shutdown Sound) 9:00 Assistive Tech Relevance of IOS 16 14:00 Jokes, (Spiders???) 17:00 Auto Answer and Hang-Up 19:00 Summoning Siri 20:00 Demonstration 23:00 Options for Answering 25:00 Restart, Shutdown. 26:00 Response Time Adjust 29:00 Auto Punctuation Demo 32:00 New Languages and Voices 35:00 Eloquence for high speed clarity 38:00 Widgets, Locks, Home Screen 41:00 Magnifier 44:00 Creating new custom settings 45:00 Detection Mode (Objects, Faces, Text) 49:00 Edit and Un-Sending messages/Emails 54:00 Live Captions 55:00 Wrap up

AppleVis https://www.applevis.com/ BlindShell: https://youtu.be/CVlj2C9kiGk T ech Connect Live Schedule https://vision-forward.org/techconnect/ Tech Connect Live Show Resources https://vision-forward.org/techconnec... See previous Tech Connect Live episodes here https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd... #maculardegeneration #lowvision #visuallyimpaired #glaucoma #legallyblind Call us: 414-615-0103 Email us: techconnect@vision-forward.org Visit us online: https://www.vision-forward.org Online Store: https://www.vision-forward.org/store

0:00 Start 4:00 Email List Reminder 6:00 The Scope of today's livestream is navigation, not production 9:35 Cory demonstrates YouTubed with his iPhone using VoiceOver 11:00 Opening the YouTube App, Customizing your Feed of recommended videos 14:00 YouTube Home Tabs explained: Shorts and the recent TikTok ban news 16:40 Your account, History, playlists etc 17:30 How to get back to Search, 18:15 Searching for a Channel 23:00 Options while watching a specific video 24:00 Buttons on the screen while it is paused 26:00 Buttons under the video: Subscribe, Like, Comment ETC 35:00 Computer and Screen Reader use when using YouTube 42:30 Once signed in you will have many options on the left side: Subscriptions 49:15 Seek Slider is how you can fast forward, skip ahead and rewind! 52:00 Returning to the Home Screen and general navigational reminders 54:00 Wrap Up and Upcoming Topics

0:00 Start 4:17 Introducing Guests: Sam Seavey and Carrie Morales! 7:07 They each tested the device, AND BOTH RETURNED IT! Here is Why 12:40 Still no Magnifier App! Very disappointing for now, but maybe one day... 20:20 Chat Questions: Is there anything specific that our guests used the Vision Pro for? 23:00 New Gestures: How intuitive are those controls? 35:40 Without a physical phone to feel the screen and borders of, how difficult are gestures? 37:50 Apple Vision Pro's competition! Are there any alternatives on the horizon? 42:40 Meta Quest 2 brings you Beautiful Virtual Worlds, but with Inaccessible Menu Systems. 44:01 What do we hope to see in the future? What does the Apple Vision Pro need most? 48:30 Apple Artificial Intelligence. Is Siri standing still while other AI's improve exponentially? 49:20 Wrap Up thoughts, contact info and upcoming videos and events!

0:00 Start 5:00 Elizabeth Evans background, training, experience and context of Maggie IVR 11:20 Showing the Headset controls, including tactile buttons of dials for customization 13:00 Why iPhone? Maybe Android next year, perhaps Pixel? 18:00 Handling the device, hardware review,
23:00 OCR on a wearable device, how often is it actually used? What devices are better for that? 27:00 Mobile use, Maggie can get you a head strap, with training most folks can move easily wearing it 28:30 Mode button, changing defaults and holding mode button for 5 seconds to revert back to defaults 31:10 Low Light use? 34:00 Website Maggie.vision and other ways to get your hands on the Maggie IVR 37:30 Reaction time, very little lag between pressing buttons on the device and seeing results 37:45 Battery Life is 4 hours, if plugged in you can run it for 8+ hours 39:30 What sort of vision loss is this for? Central Vision Loss, Poor Night Vision and general low vision 40:00 Eevans@maggie.vision Contact info and website Maggie.vision for a contact form 41:45 What all comes in the box? 43:00 Wrap-Up contact info and upcoming videos or events 44:00 End

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0:00 Start 06:00 GPS as a stepping off point for all navigation 09:00 Opening, Sign up, Exploration, Favorites, News and Settings 15:00 Exploration Mode deep dive, customable lists of POI 19:00 Filter by walking vs Vehicle mode 21:00 Categories for nearby places and streets 27:00 Navigation App integration. Options for public or private transport. 38:00 Uber Example 40:00 Search Results give Address, Website, Phone Number 45:00 Wrap Up

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Notes go here 0:00 Start 4:30 IBVI promotional video 5:30 Comments, Amazon Alexa Trigger Warning! 7:35 Akinator, Guess the Character! 12:30 Knight Manager, steer and cheer on your champion! 29:30 Escape the Room, Collect clues and crush puzzles to escape! 43:00 Sound Quiz, Guess the song name quicker than your competition! 47:20 Wrap Up Amazon Echo games

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0:00 Start 7:00 Corinne introduces herself 10:00 Corinne from Orcam demonstrates the features and physical device 24:00 OrCam TTS and Voices, Additional Languages 30:00 OCR of Handwriting 33:00 Summarize via Chat GPT 38:00 Demo of Smart Reading including scanning for info like phone numbers 41:00 Gestures and Voice Commands 45:00 Wrap Up and Contact info.

Orcam is well known at this point for creating revolutionary OCR devices that are small, lightweight, and have some of the best OCR in the business. Their latest Read device continues this trend, with added functionality including the ability to summarize a page of text and to wirelessly connect to a computer to display words as they’re being read! To guide us through this exciting adventure we will be joined by Corinne Nero from Orcam, so come join us on the show to say hello! And REMEMBER! We love community engagement and participation on this show, so make sure to come prepared with your questions, comments, and (most importantly) jokes!

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JOIN US AND LEARN ALL ABOUT OKO, A FREE iOS APP! Transcript not available. Website: https://www.ayes.ai/oko

0:00 Start 5:00 Michael Introduces Oko's history and development 8:00 Jokes and CSUN expo summary 22:00 User Feedback and real world application relative to APS 30:00 Chat Q+A (Countries, Beta testing, What about Andriod?) 38:00 Future of Oko, international support and local city funding. 53:00 Wrap Up, Contact Info, Links and additional resources.

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Smart Vision 3 Part 2: Apps!

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0:00 Start 3:30 Upcoming Dining In the Dark event 5:15 Setting up expectations, referencing previous livestream on Smart Vision 3. 8:00 Overview of the phone and its controls, 9:00 Getting into the Application List 11:00 Agenda 12:20 Currency Identifier 15:00 Where can you purchase this phone? Raz Mobility website 17:55 Calendar, changing view scale and creating events 20:30 Color Identifier App, 23:30 Contacts, creating new contacts, dictation works but you cannot spell by letter 27:40 Book Reader information, compatible with Bard style Daisy files and other text file into Audiobook. 33:00 Gmail example both reading and writing emails 37:45 Sending a Text using Google Assistant or Gemini 39:15 YouTube, navigating, searching, and using it with TalkBack and Dictation 42:30 How this phone compares to Blind Shell Classic 2? 46:00 Upcoming Videos, Events and Livestreams

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0:00 Start 2:15 Where has Cory been? 4:15 Holiday Catch-Up 6:00 The new Nosferatu Movie Review 10:00 Envision Ally, past and future produced video 16:15 Introduction to the Workshop Topics 18:15 Early Pessimism as to how useful these workshops are; however, we were PLEASENTLY SUPRISED 20:45 How to get to the YouTube comments and live chat using a Screen Reader, 24:00 Low Vision using AI to detect and lable Salient Objects depending on activity, 28:30 Realtime VR Games using AI to identify interactible objects, what pitfalls must be overcome? 32:30 Hable One and Comments from our chat 34:30 AI enhanced reading, this includes eye tracking and line focus technology 38:00 Augmenting Landmarks for people with low vison, wearing an AR headset, similar to Good Maps 42:30 Visual Social Cues, translating facial expression, body language, gestures and movements 48:45 Wrap Up with Closing Thoughts. Thank you everybody! Have a great 2025!

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0:00 Start 4:30 Skip the Jokes if you DARE! 13:00 Using AI in your daily lives? Office work, Computer Programming, Skills and Teaching. 15:55 Comments from the Live audience: Is it moral to lean on AI for productivity? Skills? 19:55 Gemini as a casual option, Disappointing OrCam Rumors, Alternatives Wearables? 30:00 Demo of prompting Copilot to create a text flyer for an upcoming event. 38:00 Google Gemini Live provides instantaneous real time responses and updates. 42:00 Demo how a teacher can generate a lesson plan for any age range and topic. 47:30 AI as a danger to stability of financial systems, unforeseen assumptions by AI 52:45 Wrap Up Summary and Upcoming Videos + Live shows and events!

0:00 Start 6:00 Xiaoran, CEO of Agiga introduces the company, herself and the EchoVision Glasses 8:45 Huasong, CTO of Agiga, gives his story and how they chose to make their own smart glasses 16:00 Optional Colored or Mirrored front covers similar to clip on sunglasses 18:00 How to charge the glasses, how is the battery life and weight? 20:00 Demonstration of the reading mode, first using a business card 23:00 Specifically asking what the phone number on a business card is, summary of text options 25:30 Scene Description, environmental basics such as furniture people and technology 27:45 Facial Recognition, Description and Emotional information 32:45 Point and Describe? Can the glasses recognize gestures like that? 34:45 Tips for Facial Description from a Blindness POV, tips and tricks for longer term development 36:45 Menus and Dim Light Conditions 39:00 Live Descriptions with Continuous Audio Feedback 46:30 Sharing your media taken from the EchoVision Glasses, Media Buttons 49:00 Price, Promo Code and PreOrdering the EchoVision Smart Glasses from Agiga 52:00 Closing The show!

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Apple's Vision Pro has shaken the internet and its time for Vision Forward to give our thoughts on this exciting development in the field of wearable technology! Join us today as we examine the device's specs and assess its features from a low vision and blindness perspective.

0:00 Start 1:00 Tech Connect Live Show Updates 11:00 Apple Vision Pro Video 20:00 Analysis and Expectations 30:00 Live Questions: Contrasting the Iris Inspire 35:00 The Economics of Apple 40:00 Mobility Concerns 43:00 Social Acceptance 45:00 Wrap Up Review and Contact Info

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0:00 Start IBVI Industries 7:15 Setting Expectations for this year's CSUN, Livestreaming Tuesday and Wednesday 5pm Pacific 9:40 Quick Run Through of the full list of CSUN Vendors and Exhibitors 10: 00 Accessibyte w/ Joe Jorgenson featuring: Typio, School and Work Suite of software, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Xy-XB6Jtc 11:20 Agiga w/ Hassan featuring: Hardware similar to Meta Glasses 12:45 Aira featuring: visual assistance connection app either on phone or on your computer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiIPrAja_k 14:00 AwareWolf w/ Dave featuring All Terrain Cane https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-6nAGz0xfyY 16:00 Be My Eyes featuring: assisted video call with a volunteer or using AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Lugpgj5JM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dCA4qWaXlQ 17:30 Blindshell accessible smart phone w/ Barry Azman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pohUlMcaO3U 18:30 Brava Smart Oven, microwave sized accessible oven subdivided for differential cooking 21:00 Case for Vision featuring an iPhone case designed to turn it into a magnifier. Similar to the Optaro by Eschenbach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-Byo_FGXM 22:22 Dot Incorporation featuring the Dot Pad multiline braille display, also Dot Watch 23:15 EMVI.AI featuring AI powered app for visual assistance 25:30 Glidance mobility aid w/ Amos Miller https://www.youtube.com/live/42KuD0uuZls 27:00 HumanWare featuring Prodigy Magnifier for Windows w/ Peter Tucic and Rachel Ramos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZzDYV0MRLY 28:10 Maggie Vision VR style wearable using an iPhone, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-kfxFJP6fs 28:50 Morphic control panel for Windows, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-LqmxbRto8 30:00 NewHaptics Braille hardware designed for large area tactile "screen" display 32:15 Orbit Research and the Activator by Dream Vision Group for braille similar to dual monitors 34:00 Orcam, Reineeker and the Navis App by Touch Pulse handsfree personal navigation app, 36:20 TrySight's Mercury Vision wearable magnifier with speech 37:50 The Vispero Group: Freedom Scientific, Optelec, Enhanced Vision,
38:30 Voxiweb, sign up for a service designed for navigating the internet using a screen reader 39:00 WeWalk featuring GPS and phone connected smart cane, 40:15 Zoomax wearables, electronic magnifiers, 40:45 Wrap-Up, Sony PS5, Amazon, upcoming livestreams at 5pm Pacific on 11th, and 12th, 42:00 Post your questions and requested topics, comment and like the videos! 42:45 Closing Music

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0:00 Start 5:50 Luke introduces the device, describing general physical features. 7:00 Different Models and Subscription Plan (Read, Home, Pro, Subscription) 11:20 Gestures and how to use Envision AI Glasses 14:00 Demonstration of Instant Text 20:00 Demonstration of Scan Text 23:00 Demonstration of Ask Envision via Hinge Button and internet 27:40 Demonstration of Call An Ally 35:30 Demonstration of Describe Scene. 40:00 Detect Money and Detect Light 40:40 Find an Object (Coffee Cup, Chair) 44:40 More Features, Batch Scan, Find People, Color Detection 45:50 Demonstration of Explore contrast against Find an Object 48:00 Comparisons to other devices. OrCam, ArxVision, Inspire vs Envision Glasses 52:15 Wrap Up, Plug the new videos, Contact information and upcoming projects!

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Notes go here 0:00 Start 6:30 Jokes! 9:00 Jumping into the larger wearable discussion 10:20 Reading Sheet Music with a Wearable Device 14:50 Iris Vision Live 1.0 based on Samsung's VR headset, 16:45 Iris Vision Live 2.0 new headset design and bluetooth remote 19:45 2.0 downsides and limiting factors 29:30 Luke had difficulties adjusting the customization settings, still blurry to him 32:00 Eyedaptic 5 tethered wearable 36:00 Eyedaptic 5 can switch between using the phone's camera or the wearable's camera 39:30 Extra battery options for extended use. 43:15 Haptic feedback 48:30 Wrap up Review! Compare and Contrast the IrisVision Live 2.0 with the Eyedaptic 5 49:45 Speculation on real time feedback using audible obstacle call out, also low tech options 52:45 Tom Perski from Iris Vision foreshadows external fan system, Google Play Store and More! 56:00 Will they continue to update the software of the VIsion Live 1.0? 57:35 End of show wrap up!

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0:00 Start, Banter and Recent Events 4:30 Production History, physical description glasses, produced video demos 11:30 Wearing the Glasses, Examining the charging Case, how sleek are they? 18:45 Basic commands and trigger phrases, playing music vs identifying music 24:00 Realtime translation and reading text, stylized font, etc 33:30 Product Identification and Follow-Up questions 39:30 Handwriting Test??? 40:30 Object Identification featuring a houseplant and number of chairs in view 42:15 Wrap-Up, How good are these Meta Glasses really? 48:30 Closeout Messages and Upcoming Videos

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0:00 Start 3:00 Jokes 6:15 Intro Guest: Will Walsh from Pneuma 8:30 The Story of Pneuma, 12:00 Troubleshooting Audio Echo 15:00 RIM through the ages, 2007 until 2010, then relaunched in time for COVID 22:00 How to use RIM, basic uses and case studies from workplace environments 26:00 Using RIM for personal support or tech support. Attended or non-attended options. 27:00 Pro or Enterprising level users can use Target Installers, an Exe that reconfigures the computer 29:00 Receiving help is always FREE to use up to 30 minutes per day. The controller can flip control if necessary. 32:00 Questions from Commenters 3&:00 RIM vs RAM? 43:00 Website and Contact Info, Pricing and upcoming events!

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0:00 Start 03:00 Introducing our Guests Sam and Peter 09:00 Discussing popular products this year. 15:00 Victor Reader Stream 3 17:00 BeMyEyes vs BeMyAI 25:00 Overstimulation and Tuning things out 30:00 Discussing the Apple Vision Pro 40:00 Rapid-fire: Eyedaptic 5, Iris Inspire, Iris Live 2.0 43:00 Multi-Line Braille Display 48:00 Start of the AT quiz

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Spring begins again! But as the snow melts and birds return to frigid Wisconsin, our pair of Assistive Technology Specialists embark upon a migration of their own. One which will take them far beyond the sunset in search of innovation. Their destination? CSUN 2023, an annual Assistive Technology conference held in California. Cory and Luke documented their experiences while “abroad” and we here at Tech Connect will be bringing you up to speed on all the exciting news and intriguing tech over the next few weeks.

Be sure to subscribe so you don’t miss any of it. Until then, Cory and Luke take a break from the busy convention room floor and whirlwind interviews in order to provide our subscribers with an update and tease a few of the more interesting discoveries. There were many assistive tech companies representing their new products and updates.

Among them are: Morphic, Orbit Research, Patriot, Goodmaps, Orcam, AwareWolf Gear, and many more! 0:00 Start 4:00 CSUN future videos 5:15 Jokes 10:15: Morphic 18:45 Graffiti Plus 11:27 Optima 28:45 Vispero Optelec Compact 8 33:35 Patriot Voice EZ 38:00 Misc Questions: ChatGPT 4, BeMyEyes, etc 39:10 GoodMaps indoor Navigation 48:55 Orcam Read Stand and Speaker Bundle 51:25 Sedona Dave and the All Terrain Cane of AwareWolf Gear 54:45 Retinal Projector for Astigmatism and Glaucoma and more! 1:02:25 Wrap Up

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0:00 Start 2:20 Introducing Topics 7:00 Setting up the show, commenter questions and thoughts 10:00 Organization and Customization of the Home Screen 13:30 Rumors of additional Customization including individual App size 19:00 Siri is now better at understanding corrections and commands 27:00 Privacy, Data Management and GPT 43:00 Media Insights with relevant information during pause (Apple's equivalent to X-Ray) 44:00 Rating this year's Conference 47:00 Wrap Up summary of upcoming topics, videos, webinars and more!

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Notes go here 11:03:35 Welcome to vision forwards, tech, connect, live, connecting you to the world of assistive technology. 11:03:42 And now here are your hosts, Corey and Luke thank you for being here, so thank you for being here. 11:04:22 So thank you for being here. 11:04:28 So thank you for being here so thank you for being here. 11:04:34 So thank you for being here so thank you for being here. 11:04:41 So thank you for being here so thank you for being here it's it's been a wild ride through January and February. 11:04:56 That's a so innovative applause. Our live audience. 11:05:05 They are it's a it's so. They're no longer a live audience. So they are no longer a live audience. 11:05:26 If everybody is having an excellent day today, it is March second. 11:05:40 Can you believe that it's already East to season? It's been a. It's been a wild ride through January and February. 11:06:12 It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, I know that there was blizzard conditions, and that was a big thing in California. 11:06:16 And like, was it la, maybe, or somewhere, I don't think they did. 11:06:21 No. So yeah, if you're in la then let's know how happened. There. 11:06:25 But otherwise you can always just communicate other things in the chats, because we do love audience and participation, especially when we have guests on as we do today. 11:06:33 Today we are joined by a freak he is joining us from table, and he will make the table one a braille keyboard for smartphones, and we're gonna be talking all about that today. 11:06:45 Frank, if you would like to say Hello, there we go. We got exactly what we asked for break. We didn't find out. 11:06:46 Hello! Good afternoon. Morning! 11:06:51 Where? Where are you connecting for us? 11:06:52 I'm currently in the Netherlands in. It's like the South Midlands. 11:06:57 That's where I'm calling in from. Yeah. 11:06:57 South of the Netherlands okay, excellent, yes, very good. 11:07:01 Well, that sounds like a nice place to go on vacation, but we are stuck here in Milwaukee sadly but thankfully, due to the power of the Internet. 11:07:09 We are able to connect with you over all of that distance, and we're excited to hear today what you've got to tell us about the table one. 11:07:16 Now a quick question for you, because we didn't have long before the show to to talk about what was gonna happen. 11:07:22 Do you have a table? One braille keyboard with you? 11:07:25 Currently. 11:07:26 Yes, yes, I have one here in my hands right now. 11:07:29 So I have one. 11:07:29 Oh, wonderful! And I'm hoping we can get some kind of demonstration during the show today. 11:07:35 Yeah, of course. Of course. Happy, too. 11:07:34 Is that so? Is that gonna, be possible? Hey, yeah, okay, I'm all prepared yes, yes, that's like a prepared guest. 11:07:41 Me too. Me, too, all right, before we get into the meat and potatoes. 11:07:45 Of course we do have to have our joke section of the show. 11:07:49 Yes, everybody's favorite. Just before we do that, though I think it's no Amy apologies of my pronunciation is bad. 11:07:57 But no, Amy, I'm gonna go with that. Says we have slow flowers. 11:08:00 Slow flow is, we have snow flowries in L. Passo tacta, Texas. Wow! 11:08:05 Was it last year that Texas had the snow it was that it was not really snow. 11:08:08 It was the ice right where everything was freezing out right they, the grid, went down and used the flame throwers from helicopters on the winter buy, are you lying? Oh, yeah, they were iced over, and they have but tons of people's pipes exploded. 11:08:27 As they didn't have heat, and I don't think they weren't their pipes weren't kind of prepared. 11:08:31 Yeah, I will say one thing about the Midwest, even though the weather here sucks in the winter at least, it's just very well organized for that sucky weather. 11:08:41 Yeah, exactly. So like you get the snow plows out. The roads are cleared really quickly, and yeah, they do a really good job. So thank you. 11:08:46 To all of our all, of our industrious snow flowers, and other such people for doing such a wonderful job. 11:08:52 Do you think we have any people who drive snowplows listening to the show? 11:08:56 But I guess I've trained a lot of blind people, but no one's ever had a vocational goal to drive a snowplay. 11:09:06 That's interesting. We should probably push for that. 11:09:09 I think this is a good one would be pretty safe doing it. You got the biggest vehicle with a big I like out in front so you're not gonna hurt yourself, you know, if other people are gonna drive into you. 11:09:16 That's that will guess, and it's a short term employee alright. So jokes for today. I, as somebody reliably told me that it was sent Patrick say, coming up in a couple of weeks weekend is that so we're going to be a season. 11:09:29 During is it? Yeah, maybe. Thank you. Oh, is it the weekend that we get? 11:09:34 Remember. So the point is, I have a St. Patrick's Day joke prepared 11:10:01 Patrick drive all the snakes out of Ireland. 11:10:04 Hmm, because maybe he didn't like snakes. 11:10:07 Couldn't get a bus. I was gonna make a Druid joke, but you can. 11:10:16 Maybe he didn't like couldn't get a bus. I was gonna make a druid joke, but you can maybe tell me. 11:10:16 I have 0 clue where this is going. Yeah. 11:10:19 Hire, ran out of gas well, yeah, you basically drive the snake you know, you're on the exactly the right track. The answer was, it was too far to walk. 11:10:31 You're all on the exactly the right track. The answer was, it was too far to walk. Thank you. 11:10:35 They'll be here all week, or maybe it should have been Jonathan. I believe that you had a joke for us as well. 11:10:41 Yes, you know there was a newsletter that was being passed around saying that they were trying to get contestants for us. Yes, you know there was a newsletter that was being passed around saying that they were trying to get contestants for a tramp spring. 11:10:53 Time. Oh, okay. Get worse every single week. 11:11:04 It's so. I mean, you know what it takes talent to get jokes. 11:11:06 This bad every week, we should call. Tell me why so? And see if he wants to come on. 11:11:09 Oh, yeah, I think he is on the Sunday to fare me apart. 11:11:14 All right, Frank, so I let you tell us a little bit. 11:11:17 Why don't we start off with a little bit about the company which which you work for, which make it the handle? One? 11:11:22 And I believe the company is just called heel. If you'd like to tell me if I might, and tell us all about it. 11:11:27 Yeah, yeah, we're not very original. I think it's it's a typical book straight to just keep it very basic. 11:11:31 Hmm, yeah. Why not? 11:11:36 Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. 11:11:33 So go pretty school table. But it was our first 4 deck, so let's call it table One. 11:11:39 Yeah. So Uhable started around 4 years back. 11:11:43 So we're still considered the startup launched the 4 years back. So we're still consider the Startup Launch Company in an Ellen was launched by my co-founder and me. 11:11:53 comes from India, and has lived with his grandfather his whole life, and his grandfather is blind, and he saw first hand, like Hey Mike, and forgot to use his phone at all, and maybe there's something we can develop. 11:12:03 Very cool. 11:12:01 To make it easier for him. And that's the reason why we why we're here, why we started, and since then yeah, we've developed the able one initially as the first product. 11:12:13 Yep. 11:12:14 And that's been around 2 and a half years to develop it. 11:12:17 We launched it in September 2021, and now we're already in. 11:12:21 I think it's now 12 countries around the world where we're distributing it. 11:12:25 And we have thousands of happy users. So that's hmm! 11:12:26 That's really cool to hear. How did you meet with your co-founder? Then? 11:12:31 Yeah. So he was in a pitching competition as a startup competition. 11:12:36 And he was pitching really bad. So I told him, Hey, I can give you some advice. 11:12:40 So he didn't like me initially. 11:12:43 But no, we, that's where we met. And I said, Hey, I really like what you're doing. 11:12:48 I have some perception with it. Let's see if this is really a good idea. And if multiple people hate us when we're starting this. And that's how we got started, then, just both with the same motivation. Yeah. 11:12:57 Very cool. So for yourself, then this isn't. This isn't driven for you. 11:13:01 A per se from people that you know who are blind. You just saw it and thought that this was a great idea, and wanted to kind of roll with it. 11:13:09 Yeah, yeah, so luckily, we, I think a few weeks into like, working together, we just said, Okay, we really can't do this ourselves. 11:13:18 We just have to go to as many people we would want to use it as possible. 11:13:21 Yeah. 11:13:22 And that's what we did from the start and we're still doing. 11:13:26 Yeah, brilliant. 11:13:24 I still meet our users a few times a week that's our close by. Just to really say, what can be better, what do we need to update future products? 11:13:32 And that's, I think, been the reason why things are going so well just because of yours interacting so much with everyone that's using it. Yeah. 11:13:36 Yeah, I think that's very important. We were talking with Anatson, Norman last 2 weeks ago. 11:13:42 Hmm! 11:13:45 Yeah. 11:13:44 Yeah, and that as part of a company who have a phone called the real Sam. Yeah, you've got it. 11:13:50 Yeah. 11:13:50 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so, so, yeah, she was also saying the same thing with regards to end users and getting their feedback. 11:13:57 And you know, it's a really important part of the process, for sure. 11:14:00 I think that's it's such an important like, especially if you don't have. 11:14:03 If your founder or staff members aren't blind or visually impaired yet you're developing products for people who are going to use that people who are blind and visually impaired, you have to have that constant connection. 11:14:14 Yeah. 11:14:16 Otherwise, then you mean, how do you know what you're developing is the right thing? 11:14:22 Yup! 11:14:30 Excellent! 11:14:21 Yeah, also for us, we now growing as a company, and we were able to hire the first people, and we had to have people who themselves are visually impaired on our team because it's just crucial for us to grow. 11:14:34 And to make sure we're developing the right thing. 11:14:35 Yeah, that's that's really good to hear. 11:14:36 Yeah, yeah. 11:14:38 So how how many people do you have in the company at this time? 11:14:42 Oh, I hope I don't see it I think it's 9. 11:14:46 But yeah, yeah. 11:14:45 Okay, excellent, very good. And you're distributing in the, they say, 11 different countries. 11:14:51 Is that right in 12 countries? Wow, that's really pretty impressive. Yeah. 11:14:51 12. I think it is. Yes, yeah. So that's. 11:14:55 So I was on. I was on the website early on. And I did notice that. 11:14:59 Yes, when you, when you click on the the buy button, it brings up a list of different countries, and then you can choose a country that you're in, so you can find a suitable suitable distributors. 11:15:09 Exactly. Yeah. 11:15:09 So very nice. Yep. And I did also notice the website was available in English and French, yeah, is that for the Canadian market or? 11:15:18 Yeah, parsley. So we're both in France and in Canada. 11:15:22 Uhhuh. 11:15:22 But to be honest, the reason why, that's the G, because we just switched our website. 11:15:26 I think 3 weeks back, and we're still we still need to also bring in the other like cause. 11:15:31 We had 6 or 7 languages. So when you still need to bring them back, yeah. 11:15:30 Okay, I got you, yeah, yeah, sure. Okay, I understand. Cool. So just I'm gonna put this in the chat right now. 11:15:37 Seems that we're talking about it. So the the web address is, I am able.com. Is that correct? 11:15:41 Yes. Exactly. Yeah. 11:15:45 Yes. 11:15:42 Yes, I am. Andable is h a, b, l, E. And is that? Is that an acronym at all? 11:15:49 Is that stamp for anything, or just? 11:15:51 Well how we came up with the name he was speaking. 11:15:53 Yeah. 11:15:55 Well, first of all, we just use Google. Translate it to some words in it, and then, you know, the language is still. 11:16:00 Something sounded nice. That's that's the almost answer. 11:16:00 Sounds like a a band name, Creator. 11:16:03 But what I? What I tell, yeah, but what we tell people is what we say. 11:16:10 So we have a Hubble, which in Spanish means speaking, and if we pronounce it likeable, it has able in there, because we enable people to use technology. 11:16:16 Yes, yeah, that makes sense. 11:16:18 So that's yeah. So I am able. I'm able to use technology. 11:16:22 That's where it's kind of cool. Yeah. 11:16:21 Very cool, so hold on, though. So are you telling me that the justification for the name came after you had decided what the name was isn't it? How much? 11:16:28 Usually this is last case I've been come on, that's I. 11:16:28 Hmm, yeah, it's like reverse engineering it a little bit. But please fix that when you want me. 11:16:33 It's like, somebody who interested in getting a tattoo. They pick the tattoo and then go. 11:16:39 This is what it means. Is that what you did with the all tattoos going? 11:16:43 No, not like that. Yeah. Cause yeah, it's like, when people come up with an acronym, cause it's a funny acronym. 11:16:50 And then they work the reverse engineer exactly. Well, it's a good name. 11:16:55 I like it. It rolls off the tongue, and it works works very well. 11:16:59 I think. And just before we dive into what it's all about, Corey and I are going to be at Sea Sun this year and season. 11:17:07 I think all of our participants will know about season. It's a big annual conference about assistive technology that's held in California. 11:17:14 This year. It's gonna be in Anaheim. 11:17:18 They used to be in San Diego. They moved. Yeah, it's been moved a few years ago, 5 years now, okay, yeah. And I haven't been since they were in Sunday. I have not been since San Diego as well. 11:17:28 So I'm quite excited about going. But yes, you guys are going to be there. 11:17:32 Freak correct, and what what booth are you gonna be in for? 11:17:34 People who are attending. 11:17:35 Yeah. So we're there again this year. 11:17:39 We were there last year for the first time this year. 11:17:41 I'm there on my own. I'm actually at a booth. I will be from the booth, from some of our distributors, so I'll be working in their book, showcasing. 11:17:47 Yeah, yeah. 11:17:45 Okay, got? You got? Yeah, okay? And do you know what the boost number is going to be off the top of your head or not? A problem. 11:17:50 I wouldn't know. No, no! 11:17:52 People people can find so I'm gonna say, Alright. 11:17:55 Find it best accent person. That's you here. I know you're fine. Yeah. 11:18:01 So if anybody is going to season, and they want to see this for themselves, and that will be a great place to do it all right. 11:18:08 So why don't you walk us through the table? One tell us a bit about the physical design, the concept, and then we can do some demonstrations. 11:18:15 Yeah, of course. So, well, I have tabled here in my hand, and it's around the same size as my phone. 11:18:22 So it's on iphone as you 2020. It's around the same size. 11:18:25 It's a little smaller. So it's a really small keyboard. What it looks like. 11:18:29 It is completely black, and it is 6 buttons in the white, and it's so. 11:18:35 It's around the same size as the phone. But you're not holding it the same way as phone. 11:18:38 So where a phone you would hold vertically aable one, you would turn 90 degrees, and then on one side you would have 8. 11:18:46 Okay. 11:18:45 Buttons. So 8 physical buttons are those buttons. They are turned away from you. 11:18:50 So it's a little bit like typing a brill on your iphone screen. 11:18:54 So a little bit like the Brill back typing but then, with physical buttons, then on the bottom, on the smaller side, Ifa USB. 11:19:07 Yup makes sense. 11:19:03 C Ching Port, and on the top I have on an off switch to the device and then there's a place where I can connect a wristband, so I doesn't fall out of my hands, and that's pretty much the device. 11:19:19 So how it looks. Yeah. 11:19:18 I have a quick question about about that, because we're in the pictures that I've seen. 11:19:27 Yes. 11:19:24 So the user is holding their smartphone landscape and then their fingers are resting on the braille keyboard, which makes perfect sense. 11:19:32 I was just wondering, does it connect to the back of the phone? 11:19:34 Somehow. Or how is that all working? 11:19:35 Yeah. So it doesn't right now. And the reason why it doesn't is because, well, first of all, you actually don't need to touch the phone at all, p she can control everything with just the able one. 11:19:44 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:19:45 So both navigation and typing, and it becomes a little bit like to pick. So it's not reorganonomic when you put it on the back of your phone. 11:19:51 That makes sense. Yeah. 11:19:50 So as a stand alone. It's really nice. 11:19:52 You can use it for hours without it, hurting your fingers. 11:19:56 So that's why we didn't like it. Yeah. 11:19:56 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. So I do. So then I user would basically most likely have headphones in or whatever. 11:20:02 Yes. 11:20:02 And they would have the phone in their pocket, or whatever, and they'd just be controlling everything from the keyboard. There. 11:20:06 Exactly, so when you're in the train where you're outside, it doesn't really matter. 11:20:09 You can always use it. You don't need any desktop. Just hold the table on your your feedback for your phone. And that's how you use it to control your entire phone. Yeah. 11:20:18 Good. Okay? And there's there's kind of 2 main aspects of functionality. 11:20:21 So you have the control side of things whereby I know you guys have got a lot of shortcuts for carrying out various functions, and I'm hoping that you can show some of those. 11:20:31 And then we also have the text inputs side of things as well. 11:20:35 And I know definitely when it comes to text inputs on smartphones, it can be. 11:20:39 It can be challenging like, definitely, if you're trying to use the on screen keyboard. 11:20:42 That can be kind of slow going and difficult, although I will say, Corey Corey has got an uncanny way of locating the letters. 11:20:50 I really quickly. So I think with enough practice you can get good at it. 11:20:53 But it's not always ideal. And then also obviously built into some to most smartphones. 11:20:58 You're gonna have dictation side of things, and that is a great way to input text. 11:21:00 But also not always 100% accurate, and can be kind of frustrating. 11:21:07 Yeah. 11:21:06 So even feasible, some, yeah, yeah, yeah, depending on the environment you're in and stuff, and whether you have an Internet connection as well. 11:21:11 On your phone. So this is just this is really nice in terms of text input for giving, for giving braille users another way to input. 11:21:19 Text into their smartphone. 11:21:21 Yeah, so exactly. What you're saying is kind of has to use cases. 11:21:25 And we also see 2 types of people who really like they will. So on one side, it's typing. 11:21:31 And when you look at typing that kind of thing that's really for people that are that no Brill. 11:21:35 So they're real users. You just want to type fast on your phone in every situation when I have like, feel like you have control that then it's really a great solution for it. 11:21:43 The other group is actually a big group that's that's growing really fast for us right now, it's people who don't know any Brill. 11:21:49 So you don't know any real, but you have a little issues navigating the phone, just the swiping gestures lead to the problems. 11:21:55 Well, this is physical buttons, which makes it look easier to kind of. 11:21:58 Do those gestures. So that group will actually start for the reason of navigating their phone with the table. 11:22:03 And you can just dictate as typing. 11:22:05 Sure! 11:22:06 And slowly, be sure to actually that we will start to learn typing umbrella as well, almost without knowing it. Yeah. 11:22:11 I actually, I find that really fascinating and I'm really cool, you know, just that concept of kind of having an entryway for people to learn. 11:22:24 Yeah, yeah. 11:22:20 Braille, almost without, you know, meaning to do it in a way and I also, I mean, I think, back to I'm not a proficient braille, reader. 11:22:30 I have, like the daily living skill braille. So I'm enough that I'm going checking men's versus women's essentials. 11:22:36 Okay. 11:22:38 But really it, when I think back to my years learning Braille, learning the braille cells and stuff, was was easy writing braille on a braille writer was easy. 11:22:50 The real hard part of reading. Braille is a tactile piece of actually reading it with your fingers. 11:22:55 Yeah. 11:22:55 So I could see how people use a device like this would start to do Braille input and pick it up quite quickly, because really it all it is is just memorization I mean, is what it comes down to. 11:23:05 Yeah. 11:23:07 You don't have that tactile kind of concern in the beginning. 11:23:10 Yeah. 11:23:10 So. And so those people who are. Let's say that somebody who doesn't need braille, and they just started using the. And so those people who are, let's say that somebody who doesn't read braille and they just started using theable one. 11:23:30 Yeah, so, well, how we would teach someone that's new to you. 11:23:33 Say once, we don't have like a manual like regular productximum we have, we have a starting guide. 11:23:39 So we will really go like chapter per chapter and tell you, hey, you need these 5 functions, and you can already make a phone call or send a message with just these 5 phones. 11:23:45 Yeah. 11:23:50 Nice. 11:23:46 And then my kind of step by step, we would need to learn to use it, and for navigation, actually, you hardly need to. 11:23:55 You need to use some commands which can be translated back to Brill, but you don't even need to notice. 11:23:59 So, for example, what we always start with is this symbol a simple like single finger, swipe, so move forward or backwards on item. 11:24:07 And for that we, have those 2 like big navigation keys. 11:24:09 Yes. 11:24:10 So we have 6 real those. I mean to make navigation keys on a one, and those navigation keys are used to navigate. 11:24:16 So if I want to move an item for it, I would hold my left key. 11:24:20 I would just keep pressing it down and left, and and I press my right navigation key once and that's something I can repeat. 11:24:25 So every time I press it it will be a single finger slip forward, and if I wanna go backwards I mirror that. 11:24:32 So I hold my right Wiki and I press the back key once, and this is something. 11:24:36 When whenever you get a chance to have table in your own hands once it sounds a little weird when you do it once, it makes so much sense. 11:24:43 It's a super intuitive mood and comes back in all the navigation, all the kind of movements you want to do in your phone using enabled, yeah? 11:24:50 I was gonna ask you about that, because what was the what was the idea behind holding down the one button and tapping on the other rather than just taping on the direction you wanted to go in? 11:24:57 Yeah, so when we do that, we actually can put a little more functions into the same table. 11:25:09 Yeah, okay, yeah. 11:25:04 Because right now, if you if you press the left ignition once, it will be actually backspace, and the right ski is a space, and when we're holding it down and I press 7 in which would be a single figure slide. But what if I hold it down and I press 4 in text. 11:25:17 I actually move the character. So I can do that with multiple buttons. 11:25:20 And it's all in the same yeah mindset. So it's really. 11:25:22 That makes sense. So yeah, so you've always holding down something and doing something else. 11:25:26 Exactly. 11:25:26 So it's yeah. So it's keeping a consistency in in operation. 11:25:30 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 11:25:29 Yeah, and it, yeah. And it's really so you have more functions. 11:25:33 It's consistent. It's quite intuitive to remember that way. Yeah. 11:25:40 Yeah. 11:25:36 Excellent, and we should say as well that this connects Via Bluetooth, and so, in terms of you know, if you get the device, then you'd need to charge it, connect it to your phone Via Bluetooth. 11:25:48 And I read on your website that the the battery life can go as long as a month. 11:25:52 Is that? Is that right? Oh, wow! 11:25:52 Yeah, yeah, it's even longer. So it's the number one support question we get from users is they call it, it doesn't work anymore. 11:26:01 And we tell them, have you charged it? And they say I wasn't aware you had to charge it, because it really like, if you use it every single day for around 2 h. 11:26:09 Then it lasts your month, so if you use it only 30 min a day, it can be months. 11:26:12 Yeah, last for longer. Yeah, yeah, that's that's really pretty handy. 11:26:14 Yeah, yeah. 11:26:17 How will to a full charge. Then, when you're charging it? 11:26:19 3. Hours. Max, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:26:21 Oh, wow, okay, yeah, so that's that's definitely super handy. 11:26:26 Also I was wondering so obviously like people have other options. 11:26:30 If they wanna, you know input things into their phone in a different way. So you could connect to Bluetooth keyboard and or you could use, you know, a traditional braille display. 11:26:41 I'm guessing that the advantage of the table one is really the portability side of things is that. 11:26:45 Yeah, I think, I would say it's 2 things, cause I think every politician has their as their different views. 11:26:52 I think, indeed, one is support ability. You don't need a surface, you can really even use it while standing. And it's the full control. 11:26:59 And I think the second part where we're kind of unique is that we really focus on being simple tool learn like, easy to learn and being very intuitive. 11:27:04 Right. 11:27:06 But we're not necessarily the most efficient work. So, for example, I think with a brill display or it works, you can get to higher like you can type faster, or you can be more efficient. 11:27:16 If you really know all the functions, and we are more focus on, hey? 11:27:19 It should be easy to learn, like almost fun, to learn to use it. 11:27:23 So that's really where we try to position the product. 11:27:26 Yeah. And I'll be honest. I think that makes a lot of sense. 11:27:35 Okay. 11:27:29 I think the the market who use I mean, the market as a whole is very small, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think the market who use I mean the market as a whole is very small, but then the subset who's using an actual full refreshable braille 11:27:41 Yeah. 11:27:41 display is, I think, much smaller than the market. You're going after. 11:27:45 Who are the individuals who I'm not here to actually read Braille. 11:27:49 I'm really here to just find an alternative way to use my phone. 11:27:53 Exactly. Yeah. 11:28:00 Yeah, yeah. 11:27:54 You know, input-wise. So I think that totally, especially when you consider the braille displays cause thousands of people to use my phone. You know input-wise. So I think that's a good way to use my phone, you know input-wise, so I think that's what we're trying to do you know, that you're 11:28:15 Yeah. 11:28:15 not a big braille, reader? Yeah, awesome. Yeah. Okay. 11:28:17 Yes, correct. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. 11:28:20 And if people wanna purchase, then they can. They can purchase directly from your website. 11:28:26 They have to go through distributors. Is that right? 11:28:26 Oh, you can't. Okay. Sorry. Okay. 11:28:26 You can. Actually, you can do both. Yeah. So if you would purchase regular website, it will still get sourced by one of our distributors. 11:28:33 That's most close to you, so you can do both whatever you prefer. 11:28:33 I got. Yeah, I know you, yeah, okay. And I believe that included with the price. 11:28:38 So there is 30, and I want to touch on this. Let's 30 min training. 11:28:44 It states 30 min training and then plus you have a bunch of video tutorials and stuff like that. 11:28:50 Yeah. 11:28:50 That 30 min training is that is that like a remote kinda training thing? Or how does that work? 11:28:51 Yeah, yeah, so that's remotely, if we have a whole support team here, that's that's help show out. 11:28:57 And it's 30 min, so it should be 30 min, but they always take longer. 11:29:01 So I'm trying to to tell them. Hey? 11:29:03 To 30 min, so I think you got easily get up to an hour if if you have the right person. 11:29:07 Awesome, sure. 11:29:07 Yeah, so you can stretch it. But if it needs, they still want ready to make sure it's all set up right. 11:29:13 You are able to get going. Everything's working. 11:29:15 We just want to make sure. That's initial. Experience is good. 11:29:19 And indeed, we have a lot of videos. We have training guides. 11:29:22 We try to really again, folks, on being simple and easy to use. 11:29:26 So that learning parts should be, yeah, should be really fun. And you should have all the kind of assets you need for that. 11:29:31 That's the. 11:29:30 Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I think, yeah, that's training. 11:29:34 That training side of things is really important. And it's really good that you, you know, provide that initial bit of setup because, you know, you can imagine somebody getting something like this through the from the mail, and then, not even knowing how to connect it to their phone. 11:29:45 Yeah, yeah. 11:29:45 You know. So it's really nice to have that. Do training like that as well. 11:29:51 And I think e-light do as well, but for the most part with this stuff, people kind of get it, and then have to use to. 11:30:02 I don't know that they do anymore. They used to have that whole setup process. 11:30:04 I don't think they do that on boarding anymore. 11:30:09 Yeah, but it's definitely a nice thing. Umhm. Alright! 11:30:10 Well, I think we should probably stop talking about this, and actually get an idea of how it works in actions. 11:30:17 So if you'd like to take a take it away. 11:30:23 Yeah, okay. 11:30:18 Yes, I will. Just connected here to my phone. And hopefully, it's the right table, because there's so many hidden. It's yeah. 11:30:31 It's Jenny's office. 11:30:31 I'm just imagining off camera. There's just a pile of table ones there. 11:30:35 They're actually right next to the air. Yeah, they're all in developing mode. 11:30:42 I got you. 11:30:41 So I have to make sure I picked the right the right one. Us. 11:30:46 Okay. 11:30:45 Oh, yeah, okay. So I have the wrong table here. But it doesn't matter, because actually, for the I'll just do an explanation of how it works and what's what for suggestion. I'm doing. 11:30:54 Okay, let's do it. 11:30:55 So I'll go into how we always start. So the basics I just already went through a little bit. 11:31:02 You connect the phone first with whatever only using. So if you're using IP phone or Android doesn't matter and you connect it with Bluetooth. 11:31:09 Once you're connected with Bluetooth, are able one, it will actually detect if you're using an iphone or android device. 11:31:14 And then, based on that, will switch to the right mode. So we have an android mode. 11:31:19 We have my phone mode. They're very similar, but it just works on the different phones and also works with Devin. 11:31:24 So I better. And that's also works. 11:31:28 Yep. 11:31:35 Yeah. 11:31:26 Excellent, just a question about Android. Quick, because, you know, with android devices they come in all sorts of different price points and performance specifications, and such is there is there certain specifications other than just because I think you needed android 9 or something like that right but other than that is there any 11:31:43 particular specifications for the device. 11:31:46 Yeah, so it's on our way. I I wouldn't know from my head. 11:31:50 Okay, that awesome. There. 11:31:54 I got you. 11:31:51 But on our website, you have a document that says like, on which phone groups like generally, I would say more than 90% of the functions work on all the phones. 11:31:59 Nice. 11:32:02 Yeah, sure. 11:32:00 But just different per phone. There might be a few tweaks yeah, so you can find on our website. 11:32:06 Okay. 11:32:09 Yes. 11:32:07 So I always recommend to do that when you're especially when you're ingrid user, you connect once. 11:32:12 The next thing you do is make sure you're either voice over or talk like aternal, and that's it. 11:32:17 You can get started. You don't need an app. 11:32:21 To use the one and just works right away. The phone things recognize it as a normal keyboard. 11:32:26 So know that's a build space. That's a keyboard. 11:32:40 Awesome. 11:32:27 And that allows us to be a little bit faster so there's no delay to using it and hearing your voice over, talk back, and we can do some my sequences so we can send really Google commands that other keywords sometimes to them basic navigation. 11:32:43 So I have my table on my hands. My fingers are resting on the 6 buttons that are just real buttons, and then, if I move my left pointing finger to the left, it's button 7 or the left navigation key, and if I my right pointing finger to the right 11:33:00 it's split an 8 on my right navigation key, and so I'll use those for navigation. 11:33:03 When I'm on the whole screen I hold button 7, and I tap it an eighth to go to an next step and the other way around to move backwards. 11:33:12 If I want to enter an app, or the once in your double tab, I press both navigation key at the same time, so when you press them at the same time, you open an app where you select an item. 11:33:21 So that's your double command. Then on a, you know, yeah, on a, if if you're using the touch screen, yeah, yeah. 11:33:25 Exactly. Yeah, exactly. If I wanna go move to the my cursor to the top of the screen. 11:33:31 It's holding 1, 2, and 3 at the same time. 11:33:33 And through the end of the screen with those games holding 4, 5, and 6 actually guys similar to a real display where you would do this if I wanna move to a next page, there is a little bit like an arrow. 11:33:49 That makes sense. 11:33:46 So I hold 1, 3, and 5. It looks like an arrow on my on my able one to go base next, and a base previous is again the opposite of 2, 4, and state to hold them down, and every time I do a function where I have to hold something down, you will fill with vibration, so that's 11:34:01 vibration is an extra full information that it works. That's there, with all shortcuts. 11:34:06 So for my home screen, my notifications, my jump to ender back in the screen. Just a little extra. Yeah. 11:34:12 Feeling this, you know, if you did it right, and that's the basics of navigation and movements. 11:34:20 Then we have 3 shortcuts that we just used to load, so we should put them on prime positions. 11:34:27 So one of them is to play and pause, voice over. 11:34:30 So sometimes, for user, just keep speaking to you. It keeps talking. 11:34:33 So if you hold button wrong, it stops so it pops, and if you want to talk again, you hold it on again. 11:34:37 Excellent! 11:34:39 The second is dictation. So if you vote button 2, you can start dictating, you will to again. 11:34:45 It stops. And it's really because we have a lot of people who don't know any Brill, so they'll start with the dictation put on button 2 is easy and 3. But then 3 holding it down is the Magic Tab, just to pick up a phone call hang it 11:34:56 have a phone call, playing balls, music playing, false videos. 11:35:00 Yeah, really, something. You use. 11:35:01 And these are the same commands, whether you're working on Android or Iphone. 11:35:05 So this is all on iphone, on Android. 11:35:07 I see. Okay, I got you. 11:35:09 It's a little difference. I actually don't know from folks on behalf like the ones you really use a lot of land right? 11:35:13 So we try to put like the prominent ones on these instructions. Yeah. 11:35:12 Yeah, yeah, and then I sing, I like about this already is that you know, if you were doing this with the touch screen we're already talking here about things which require multi-finger gestures. 11:35:26 Yes. 11:35:26 And you know, rather than having to worry about that. And we know Corey, a lot of our clients can struggle with those here. 11:35:32 You've got a much more simple, simplified, and tactile. 11:35:35 That's a multi finger and multi-tap. 11:35:40 Yeah. 11:35:37 That's a ready being single physical. But yeah, and I think you know, definitely like, I can see how this would be beneficial. 11:35:45 For even even for those clients who don't read Grail. 11:35:56 Hmm! 11:36:00 Yeah. 11:35:48 But just need an easier way to interact with the phone. Yeah, I mean, I work with a number of clients who come in with with full query Bluetooth keyboards, but only mostly cause they just want to navigate and type exactly. 11:36:02 I mean, I can see this already being a better solution. Yeah, cool. I like it. 11:36:04 Yes, and just yeah, I'm only going to do what we say. 11:36:10 Sure! 11:36:10 Consider the basic. So what I'm going over is what we do in our first 2 chapters of the of the start, or first feed, such as the Starting Guide, because there's a little more like on any other keyboard. 11:36:18 But I think that's something more advanced. If you wanna really look it up, check the manual. 11:36:22 So this is really as far as I'll normally go with navigation so how to navigate or the phone with these different functions, and then there's, of course, the part of typing. 11:36:32 So typing stor options. Dictation. So that's with button to. And the other one is typing in in Brill, typing in Brill is. 11:36:42 It's 6 little brill. So it's not 8 on that's on a most builder space. 11:36:46 It's a set with 6. What that means is that I can well put the ones to a button. 11:36:51 1, 2 is the b, one, forces c, etc., that works normally and but if I want to do something like a number, I first press the number sign, and now my A becomes a one. 11:37:02 My b becomes a 2 etc. So I just do single brill, and that way it works. 11:37:09 Okay. 11:37:07 And I can switch between grade one and grade 2 Uab and my backspace is 7 or my left memory navigation and my space is 8 right navigation key, and it's really there. 11:37:17 Yeah, basics of typing. Yeah. 11:37:16 Excellent, and just to clarify this does require the use of voice over, or talk back both from the navigation piece and especially the input piece. 11:37:28 Because you need those screen readers to be doing the translation and stuff as well right. 11:37:34 I just to verify? 11:37:36 So navigation. Yes. But you can type it. This without having voice over turned on because the phone thing, yeah recognizes a normal keyboard. So it's as if you're typing within normal keyboard on the phone. Yeah. 11:37:46 So oh, interesting! So voiceover isn't doing the Braille Trend. 11:37:50 It's not transating. Oh, interesting. Okay. 11:37:50 No, yeah. It's inside. The. It's inside theable one. 11:37:56 Okay. 11:37:56 We do the translations. So we also have a different language inside the able one. 11:37:59 And that's allows you to know. Go to technical. 11:38:03 But it allows us to sequence certain things. We send to the phone so we can do all the different interactions. 11:38:10 If, for example, what we could do is we hold one button, and we would say, Well, that means that you first go to the home screen. 11:38:16 Go for apps forwards, and then enter that app as an example. 11:38:20 Sure! 11:38:20 So you can actually, yeah, sequence multiple things by being in control of it. 11:38:24 Are these things are these, would that be like user programmable, either now or at any point? 11:38:31 Okay. 11:38:29 So moved right now. But we we are testing internally what we what we can do. 11:38:37 I can't really say anything right now if it will be there, because we're still doing a lot of testing. 11:38:38 Okay. 11:38:41 But who knows? 11:38:42 That would be a super awesome. You could just program a single button to do a load of stuff yeah, I mean, honestly, the immediate thing I think about is a lot of times people struggle with the automated voice menus. 11:38:57 And if let's say you called your doctor all the time, if you program one button to dial, the number, pause and then hit one all the time for you I mean, you know, there is a lot of really cool, use cases. 11:39:07 But there's probably a big layer of complexity around that, too. 11:39:12 Hey! 11:39:12 Especially when you only have 8 buttons, and they're using so many already. 11:39:18 So how do you start to make sure people aren't, you know? 11:39:24 Reprogramming, yeah, the right key. And then, like, it doesn't move forward anymore. 11:39:25 Yeah, yeah, this is like, yeah. 11:39:29 Couple of questions for you. So number one, is there a shortcut to activate Syria? 11:39:36 Awesome. 11:39:34 Yes, yes, if you hold down the 1, 4 and 5. 11:39:39 So the. 11:39:40 My question was the road, or I gotta assume there's one for the rotor gesture. That's always one. Yeah, that's a big one that can be a struggle. 11:39:45 Yes, yeah. And actually, so, the roads are what we did. 11:39:51 This is, we say we used to load a text that I think at least a lot of people use a lot of the roads or in texting, and that's actually one of the I would say, I it's one of the feature I like the most because we did something a little unique with text 11:40:02 editing so there's a lot of different commands like going for words, going for characters. 11:40:07 Selecting all these different percentence subsets. Someone is not going to remember all of this. 11:40:12 If you put it on so, what if we make it a little easier? 11:40:16 We just say all you have to remove. It's your left navigation key. 11:40:19 This text editing, and the opposites real weapons. So 4, 5, and 6. 11:40:23 Those are the buttons you're touching, it's actually nothing else. 11:40:27 And so what we do, same as going to a next item. 11:40:31 If I hold my left navigation in a press 4. 11:40:33 I go to a next character. I wanna go backwards I hold 4, and I press 7. 11:40:39 The opposite. Yeah. 11:40:38 So the marrying the action. Yeah. Words is 7 and 5. 11:40:55 Sure! 11:40:42 Selecting character is 7 and 4 and 5 for 4 and 5 and 7, and selecting a word, is 7 a 4, and 6, and the rotor is then on 7 and 5 and 6, because you can use it for sentences like selecting a sentence, or we send the sentence so that's all those same buttons. And it's yeah once 11:41:01 you once. It's really easy to remember. 11:41:03 So it seems like there's been a lot of logic that's gone into figuring it out the easiest way for people to learn and remember these things. 11:41:09 Yeah, yeah. And I have to say these things whenever I I feel this, people are like, Yeah, you say, so. It's mostly. 11:41:17 But it sounds like a little different things, very complex, and I agree when I say it's very complex, I would always say, to try it out, it's really when you try it. 11:41:21 But when you actually do it, yeah, yeah. 11:41:25 It's kind of flicks and makes a lot of sense. So. 11:41:26 It really is a perfect example of even even sitting down and just talking out voiceover gestures. 11:41:33 Yeah, sounds, way more complex than when you actually do the gesture. 11:41:35 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. 11:41:37 And yeah, so that makes sense awesome. Well, that is all super cool. 11:41:43 Oh, the other thing I was gonna ask you is, let's say that I'm writing text message, for example, is there a shortcut for adding a Smiley Emoji, this is just a smile. 11:41:54 No other emoji, or just a smile. 11:41:51 Yes, yes, you can. You can okay, so there's mobile short circle directly. 11:42:01 Send a Smiley, but I'm sure we can make that for you. 11:42:01 So! 11:42:07 But you can switch to this keyboard with with a single combination. Yeah. 11:42:11 Yeah. 11:42:08 Excellent. Yeah, that's really very cool. I can definitely see a lot of potential utility for a device like this. 11:42:17 And I do. I just I just keep coming back to this idea, because, like, we see a number of clients who who don't, you know, read or write. 11:42:27 Braille, but could benefit from an easier way to interact with a smartphone. 11:42:30 And so I just keep coming back to this idea of how this could help with that. 11:42:43 Yeah. 11:42:34 Yeah, I almost think in in some cases, when you introduce this to someone you don't introduced it as a bridge yeah, because I think for some individuals they're immediately going to shut down and be like, I don't know Bra it's more that this, is not a braille. 11:42:52 Input device. This is a, this is an, this is a, this is a, this is a key in your keyboard for your iphone. 11:43:04 Yeah. 11:42:58 And then, next thing you know, you're like, Oh, if you want to type A, B, it's you hit buttons one and 2, and then I guess what that's you just learn B+B exactly. 11:43:08 Yeah, actually, actually, this is exactly what we do here. In announcements, schools. 11:43:24 Nice. That was clever. 11:43:14 So in all the schools, and where children, with the visual impairments are getting their education, they have tables, and they will tell them, hey, this is just a cool game controller for your phone that's how they the teachers tell them they get started they take it home. 11:43:28 They're doing doing the many of it like, yeah. Now, I'm finally able to give them my phone. 11:43:31 Yeah, yeah. 11:43:33 And then, a few weeks later, I'm hey, by the way, you just learned to use Brill on your that's really the exact thing they're using. 11:43:39 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:43:43 Yup! 11:43:36 Hmm! Hmm! Oh, you that's actually really good, you know, cause this whole concept of gamifying things to help people learn like, if it is basically tricking them into learning something. 11:43:47 But I mean, if it does the job, then why not? Yep, yeah, maybe. 11:43:48 Yeah, yeah, it's all. So of course, it's not yet. 11:43:52 You know, able to read brilliant! 11:43:55 You just typing it. But it's a great way you can have to get them into. 11:43:56 Yeah, but it's a style, though. Exactly. Yeah, very cool. 11:43:59 Yeah, into, excited about it. Yeah. 11:44:01 So when did you guys officially release? Then when did all that happen? 11:44:05 Yes. So we started in September 2021. 11:44:10 That's when we launched. But that was just in the Netherlands, and I think we started in the Us. 11:44:20 Cool. 11:44:16 In July last year, but we've really been going quite slow, like State for States, and slowly rolling out. 11:44:23 And we're still in the midst of that. To be honest. Yeah. 11:44:24 Yeah, yeah, does that mean that you've originally released, like in the midst of Covid, because it wasn't I can't even remember that all started. 11:44:33 But that was that 2020? Yeah, right? 11:44:31 Oh, yes, big time. Oh, we we incorporate the company in the midst of Covid and everyone says, What are you doing? 11:44:37 Oh, my, gosh, yeah, that's amazing. 11:44:40 What are you doing? Yeah, yeah. It was it changed. But also, I don't know. Come up with creative things because we couldn't really visit people. 11:44:47 And this really what you want to try. And your like, you want to try before you're ready. 11:44:50 Yeah, for sure. 11:44:52 So we yeah, we came up with a separate fid suit to still try it without having to by it right away. 11:44:58 That's really cool. And yeah, I was, you know, all you were hearing about at the time was all the supply chain issues, and people weren't able to get the components for their you know, their products and stuff like that. 11:45:08 Okay. 11:45:08 So how was it to navigate all of all of that stuff? 11:45:10 Yeah. And let's say, those are very challenging. I think we so the regions of Iinto are from the Netherlands is the reason we actually have a few really big companies like Phillips. 11:45:20 Oh, really. Okay. 11:45:19 And Asl, and we are lucky to know some people there that are able to help us source some of the products. 11:45:27 So we're really, have to do the creative about. 11:45:27 Awesome. 11:45:31 And luckily, now that time is kind of over, we just we have some stable supply chain, and everything is fine. There. 11:45:39 Yeah, yeah. 11:45:36 Yeah, things do seem to be getting better thankfully. So what's the other weight of the table? 11:45:41 And I'm not sure if if we mentioned that. 11:45:41 It's like 90 grams. It's really light. 11:45:45 Yeah, yeah. 11:45:44 Okay, easily. Easily holdable in one hand and easy, easy to carry around in a pockets, and so on and so forth. 11:45:48 Yes, yeah, yeah, that's pretty obvious. Yeah. 11:45:53 Yeah, yeah, now, you guys do have obviously the website that we talked about. 11:45:56 So you can go onto the website and from there you are able to access some information, including information about the device itself. 11:46:06 Also some products support a demonstration type of videos and also you can purchase from there. 11:46:14 And you also have a Youtube channel which I will just bring up here. 11:46:17 We're only seeing a little a little bit of it, because the way that this is this is the setup. 11:46:22 But you have a table, one Youtube channel. And so is there a direct URL to that Youtube com forward slash table one. 11:46:31 Or what's the best way for people to get there. 11:46:33 Okay. 11:46:32 I would just search table on Youtube, table, one on Youtube, and you'll find it. 11:46:36 And it's actually quite a nice thing to follow, because there's a lot of videos coming up that just explain like specific things. 11:46:49 Excellent. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's really good. 11:46:42 For example, how to send a a Whatsapp message with a able and how to send an email, how to read the news kind of really focused on that. And it was just a good idea of how you'd use it. 11:46:54 That's like task driven kind of videos. Yeah. And that makes perfect sense. 11:46:57 Exactly. 11:46:59 That's a great way to do it. So if you have a able one, or if you're thinking about getting a table one, I think it would be definitely worth taking a visit to the Youtube Channel, because from there you'll be able to check out some videos on how things are done, and then if you have one 11:47:11 obviously you can try those out. And if you're thinking about getting one, then you can get an idea of whether you think that would be feasible for you. 11:47:24 Yeah. 11:47:18 And I did also see on your website there is a list of kind of the the different shortcuts for Android for apple as well that people can check out. 11:47:29 I think we're gonna I'd like to pick one up. 11:47:29 Yeah. 11:47:31 I think for for tech here, look, I think we'll probably do a produce video on it that first folks. 11:47:37 Crazy. 11:47:39 This means that everybody everybody out there on the on the interwebs is gonna be able to find out just how good Coy's braille is. 11:47:47 Oh, so I think a lot of people have suggestions for what call we shouldn't be typing with theable one. 11:47:56 And please send them in the better. Yeah, they' go. Yeah, I forget you don't. 11:47:59 Okay. 11:48:01 You don't do. Great! I'm not. I'm not very good with contracted brand. 11:48:06 Yeah, so, okay, I can read it decently, cause I can figure out what it is. 11:48:10 But you know, but writing it not so much. Alright. I'm very much looking forward to creating this video. 11:48:15 Perfect time to get started. Yeah. 11:48:15 Be a good time. Yeah, I got practicing correct. 11:48:20 Ly so frank. I'm curious, and you potentially can't. 11:48:23 Really you may not be able to say much of anything, but I'm just curious. 11:48:29 Hmm! 11:48:27 The future of of able and Habel won. What 5 years from now, 10 years from now, do you have any big plans that you'd like to see the product evolve into, or things you'd love to see the product evolve into or things you'd love to add in the future? 11:48:42 Yeah, yeah, so, what we were speaking about really, briefly, before going live. 11:48:46 But I I did just post on Linkedin that's at Cen. 11:48:51 I will be telling people about our new flex that's coming up. 11:48:53 I can't say anything about it right now, but in person I'm happy to tell you a little bit more so if you're attending season, please do do visits, meet plug-s. 11:49:02 The guy with a big section, and our goal is really to make a a product range. 11:49:07 So right now. The hit one itself. We already know a little ways soon make it even better, and improve even more. 11:49:14 But we also want to make sure we're not forgetting anyone. 11:49:15 So you want to make sure we have different products for different categories. 11:49:20 And in the ends. Our goals really to make all the technology accessible. 11:49:24 So whatever, whoever wants to use it want to make sure it's accessible for them, and part of that is really products. 11:49:30 Of different products that would work. But it's also a little bit on the training side, making sure that you yeah, it's easy and fun to learn to use. 11:49:38 I think, yeah. 11:49:37 Very cool. I wonder if something just popped in my head. 11:49:41 Luke, and I'm just going to throw it out, because I'm curious what you think. 11:49:44 How do you think a similar product for a windows-based computer with a screen? 11:49:52 Reader would work for those who may be struggle with a full quarter keyboard. 11:49:59 I just feel like the navigational aspects of using a computer are more complex with a phone. 11:50:06 So I don't know how it would work, but I love to see it happen. 11:50:12 I don't know how it would work, but I'd love to see it happen yeah, I almost think paired with the like. 11:50:15 Hmm! 11:50:20 Yeah. 11:50:17 Dolphin, guide, would that be? Because then you have guide doing this simple interface, and then a product like like theable one where you it's much easier than to have that limited navigation here first folks able to we're going to have a Google, guide there you go we've created it and this 11:50:34 is happening you're welcome, Frank. Well, I'll go. 11:50:38 Yeah, thanks, so much. Taking notes, sticking notes. 11:50:42 It's. 11:50:41 There you go! Well, I'm looking forward to dropping by the booth, and yes, finding out about whatever the next new exciting thing is, gonna be at at season here, and for anybody who is interested in finding out more. 11:50:56 I think we've already covered all of the bases here, so we have the websites, which is, I am able. 11:51:02 Comm, go to Youtube, and you can search for Table one and find out more that you can, of course, always call us at (404) 615-0103. 11:51:13 And also if people wanted to get in touch, dyed with you, Frank, would that be possible? 11:51:16 Hmm! 11:51:17 And if so, what's the best way to do it? 11:51:25 Okay. 11:51:19 Yeah, so it's via our email itself website, which is supports@iamable.com and actually, one thing I would like to add is because, of course, I'm telling you it's a great product. It's amazing. 11:51:32 Really try it. But yeah, don't take my word for that from the company. 11:51:35 Yeah. 11:51:36 So what I would advise is, we have open email groups with users, hundreds of user on there who give very honest opinions. 11:51:44 So if we're running, hey, it's this something for me, or you have other questions about, like, How do people use it? 11:51:50 Or maybe you can even ask like, why some people don't like it. 11:51:52 I would just join our our forums. And that's on our website. 11:51:56 You can find us. It's just open to join. You can ask anything there. 11:52:00 We're not intervening. All we do share. 11:52:03 There's like our software updates that are out. But that's a really good way to really get honest feedback from all other people are using it. 11:52:10 And yeah, ask your questions there? As well, yeah. 11:52:11 Okay, that's great. I really appreciate the the openness of that. 11:52:16 So yeah, that's a that's a sign of it. If you ask me. 11:52:16 Okay. 11:52:18 That's a sign of a good, a good product, a good company, if they're confident enough to to be so, you know. 11:52:25 Yeah. 11:52:24 Let their users talk exactly one quick thing here I'm just about to wrap it up. 11:52:31 But I suddenly thought, there is a smartphone app for this as well. 11:52:36 Yeah, it's only out there for oh, this is like 4 weeks now. 11:52:41 Yeah, we just launched it. Yeah. 11:52:40 Oh, wow! All right, cool! What can people do with the smartphone up? Then? 11:52:45 Yes, I this moment. It's there just to do so. 11:52:48 Friday, so if you get aable one, you get live on free software at this as well, we do software. 11:52:52 Nice. 11:52:53 It's around once every 4 months, and it's not just making it more efficient. 11:52:59 Okay. 11:52:57 But also we add feature. So we last time we edit the breast and holds so you can send voice messages, and we'll set, for example, and we'll have something to do that fast booted switching things like this coming up now initially. 11:53:10 You had to plug it into your computer, run a program. 11:53:20 Yeah, sure. 11:53:13 And with a bit of software. But we really use the one only with phones that service as well would make more sense. If you can just update it that directly from your phone or tablets. So that's what the app does right now, you can just do so far updates directly over over bluetooth right now it's just Ios we're working on 11:53:30 Okay. 11:53:29 the Android version, as well, and in the future we'll also put things like support material there, extra videos, onboarding guides. 11:53:38 It's really of everything in one place. So for users. 11:53:40 Yeah. 11:53:38 Awesome, so big plans for the for the app. So yeah, if people are, if people have a table, then definitely go ahead and get the app as well. 11:53:45 Here's my suggestion for a feature. What should we call this? 11:53:50 We'll call it. Where's my table? And it will basically cause I know you've got haptics in theable one. 11:53:57 I know you have speakers, but maybe you could have a feature where we're all vibrate so you can hopefully locate it if you've lost it. 11:54:02 That's a really good suggestion. Yeah, it's a really good suggestion. 11:54:02 Oh, through the app, maybe. Yeah. Okay, I like it. 11:54:05 And let's say it might have been pulled up before, and maybe it's already in the background, being produced. 11:54:11 Maybe we can't make any promises, but maybe they are predicting the future. 11:54:11 Who knows what's ? 11:54:18 Okay, you you're gonna be the tenth and you're gonna be the tenth employee, although if you just keep giving the idea. That's my problem. Alright. Well, Frank, thank you so much for coming on here, we really appreciate it. 11:54:33 I know it's a little later over there than it is here. 11:54:34 So sorry to keep you into the evening. But thank you so much. It's been really really helpful. 11:54:37 Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for having. It was a little fun. 11:54:40 Thanks. Yeah. 11:54:39 Yeah. Good. Yeah. For us to. And hopefully, all of our all of our viewers enjoy this and we have put the contact information out there. 11:54:47 If anybody does have questions, we are going to be live streaming from season. So you may see Frank again. 11:54:53 There when we do our live stream. We haven't exactly figured out what our formats going to be for that yet. 11:55:04 To figure out that. But anyway, anyway, that will be in that will be in 2 weeks in 2 weeks time. Yeah. 11:55:08 Yeah. 11:55:07 So this show in 2 weeks time. Yeah, so this this show. In 2 weeks time you will be seeing this live show direct. Oh, you know what I didn't even think of this to. 11:55:15 We'll have to think about if we'll. I guess we'll do if we keep 11 A. M. 11:55:20 Central cause, then that is only 9 am. Central, because then that is only 9 am. 11:55:32 Going going on on the floor. So we may even find we will send out an email to let everybody know what's happening with that. 11:55:34 And we're hoping to, you know, have maybe have some life on the show floor stuff. Maybe have some interviews with people. 11:55:38 Yeah, yeah. And once we get back from Csun, we're going to be sending out an email, not the format of tech connect, live is going to change. 11:55:48 But how you access. It might change, we are. We've gone going to be launching a new website so you are going. You can actually go and check out the schedule and past archive sessions and everything from that website and so we're going to do a session on how to do us today. 11:56:06 Exactly, but just know that that'll be coming up. 11:56:09 We may ask you to to resubscribe and re kind of create a register. 11:56:15 We apologize, but it's just something we kind of have to do. 11:56:18 But just quick heads up. That'll be coming up in the next month or so. Yes, it will. 11:56:27 And one last thing here, Frank, I just suddenly thought you did a video. All the you had, Sam, from the blind life to a video for you recently. 11:56:29 Yeah, yeah. Few weeks back, he was the video, yeah, yeah. 11:56:32 Excellent, yes, I I haven't had chance to check that out yet, but I'm sure it's very good, as these videos usually are, so that will be another way that people could get an idea if they wanted more more. 11:56:42 I think we've probably quite a lot here, but if you wanted to see even more able one, and you can always go to the blind life on Youtube, and you never. 11:56:49 It's an idios never enough that one. That's what I find. 11:56:50 Never enough! 11:56:53 Yeah, I live, deliver, breathe it all right. 11:56:58 I'm talking of you 2. We have a Youtube channel. 11:56:59 You can find it by going to youtube.com. But forward, slash! Vision forward! 11:57:03 Tech connect yeah, sort of a mouthful, but you could all the way search for tech connector as well. 11:57:09 And of course we have all of these live shows that will be up there. 11:57:14 But we also have produc videos, including our latest one on Chat Gpt. Did it cause some trouble? 11:57:20 It sure did. Yeah, if you want to see an AI taking over the vision for tech, connect studio. 11:57:25 Well, that's the video that you have. Next week it'll be the indoor navigation features of seeing Amy. 11:57:32 Yeah, which I'm quite excited about. It's it's a it's a it's an ambitious product that's a it's a. It's an ambitious product. 11:57:43 We have that. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's the literally the first 5. If you wanna see a dream sequence, then tune into the video that will be releasing actually on Saturday of this week. We decided to release on a different day just to see how that went so 11:57:56 Saturday. I'm sorry. Saturday of next week. My apologies. Jonathan got scared because he he's the one who has to edit the video and put it together. 11:58:00 Yeah, how did we not tell you? It actually needs to be in 2 days, anyway. Keep tuning to the Youtube channel. 11:58:05 Thanks again for it. It's been a pleasure, and we will see everybody in 2 weeks. 11:58:10 Life and season bye, for now! 11:58:22 Thanks for joining us for another tech connect, live. If you enjoyed Corey and Luke's antics, be sure to join us next time, for all things tech connect, go to vision dashboard with org slash tech, connect.

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0:00 Start 1:00 Jokes, Ice Breakers, News 3:00 Introduction to the Premise 10:00 Setup Instructions 18:00 Cory's personal experience with these devices 20:00 Testing out the Plug via the App 28:00 Color and Temperature changing bulbs 32:00 Use Cases: Outside, Schedule and Getting dropped off 35:00 Setting Routines and making your devices automatic! 44:00 Combo Washer Drier with Smart HQ App 49:00 Wrap Up with Contact information

0:00 Start 5:30 Introducing our Guests from Blindshell: Filip and Jakub 9:15 History and Development of previous Blindshell products 14:35 Upgrades from the Blindshell 2? RAM, new colors, Storage, Physical Grip, lower latency 17:00 Left Action Button, new features: display, notifications, battery and wifi settings, copy and paste! 21:00 Navigating the menus, describing the physical buttons and layout of the device. 25:00 Voice Control Options, specifically Luna AI! 29:00 You cannot hangout the phone using Luna AI, they didn't want you accidently hanging up 29:45 Uses for Luna include, sending and reading messages, set alarms, calendar reminders, 33:00 Touchscreen, specifically for use with 3rd party apps which you can download and install 38:00 Phone Screen Sharing via Tandem, allows a trusted few to temporarily control your phone screen
44:00 Wrap-Up, contact info, website suggestions and supported networks list.
48:00 Closing the show with Holiday cheer, upcoming produced video on Envision Ally AI, 50:00 Closing Credits and Ending Song! Be sure to join us next year!

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0:00 Start 1:00 Musing on AI Voice Changing 5:20 OrCam Marketing and Dr. Phil 8:00 Modern OrCam Options: MyEye, MyEyePro, Read, Read 3.0 (And another MyEye soon!) 9:30 New OrCam Read 3.0 (Connects to the computer, AI Assistant, Translation, etc) 11:00 Corrine Nero explains the device in detail. 14:00 How to use AI Assistant on OrCam Read 3.0 while plugged into the computer. 18:00 Basic Physical Description of the OrCam Read 3.0 24:00 Corrine step-by-step how to set up and use new features like AI Assistant 27:00 List of Hotkeys/Controls/Buttons for CCTV style enhancement of an image. 29:20 Demonstration of AI Assistant being used on a recipe 33:00 Jimmy Johns Test "How flexible is the AI Assistant?" Unrelated questions too? 35:15 Translation of uploaded documents from over nine languages to your preference. 40:30 Uploading and working with files, storage and data privacy. 45:30 Handwriting recognition can be in English or other languages too! 46:00 OrCam MyEye Pro 3! Now with casting = connect to a computer 47:15 Wrap Up and Contact info. 51:20 End

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Show begins at 4:45 What is Teams and what is it useful for? 10:00 Navigating the Teams Layout. 16:00 Activity gets you up to speed on what you might have missed. 17:30 Chat, how to reply, review and start a new video call. 29:00 Taking a step back to slow down and startup Teams from square 1. 33:00 Teams Meeting, from invite to shortcuts to breakout rooms 46:40 Teams as an organizational tool for sharing files for collaboration. 51:30 Files, and how to open and sync them between desktop and one drive folder. 56:00 Wrap-Up Summary and recommended listening if you want to go more in depth.

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Notes go here: 0:00 Start 5:00 High level overview of Low Vision uses 10:00 Rundown of the Basic features 15:00 Snip Tool and Read Selected 20:00 Contrast and Color and Kenny??? 25:00 Who is the default setting made for? 30:00 Customizing the Morphic bar and creating new presets 35:00 Making a new button using common landing pages or apps 40:00 Setting up a custom bar created by someone else. 45:00 Customizing the button via color, image, position, text 53:00 Wrap Up

We look forward to seeing you on Thursday, August 31st at 11:00 AM CDT for the latest exciting installment of Vision Forward's Tech Connect Live! In this episode we will be learning all about a free computer program, Morphic, that makes it easier to use your computer. Windows and Mac computers have a number of accessible features built-in, but they can be hard to find. Morphic aims to provide a simple solution to make them easy and convient to use. Join Cory and Luke as they discuss and demostrate this solution and find out if it lives up to its claims! We love participation on this show, so make sure to come prepared with your questions, comments, and (most importantly) jokes! We look forward to seeing you then!

Find previous Tech Connect Live episodes here: Previous: Orcam Read 3.0: https://www.youtube.com/live/x8jmbTA9_UU?feature=share Before that: LVI Magnilink S: https://youtube.com/live/l6pQvrMs9wA And Before that: Microsoft Teams with a Screen Reader: https://www.youtube.com/live/Z8uVhGXb9oA?feature=share Way before that: "Apple Vision Pro and the Future of Tech Connect Live" https://www.youtube.com/live/iKAqrGbaNuk?feature=share Long before that: "Live Grilling for People with Vision Loss!" https://youtube.com/live/FWUCJe0PWA4 Even Older: "How to use our online learning program" https://youtube.com/live/oD1pW98xr9U Yet Older Still! "Snow 12 vs Compact 10" https://youtube.com/live/_1pG7HEscrE Microsoft Teams with a screen reader https://youtube.com/live/Z8uVhGXb9oA Apple Vision Pro, the future of wearables: https://youtube.com/live/iKAqrGbaNuk Watch on our YouTube Channel

0:00 Start 1:10 Cory's Vision Backstory and Reminiscing on Old School video games.
7:00 Introducing Jesse Anderson, creating his channel, what content he makes 10:50 Jesse Anderson's Vision Backstory 12:00 The State of the Industry: Accessibility in Gaming 14:00 Developer POV, how is Accessibility considered in an Indie vs AAA Game? Unity vs Unreal 19:00 Comments from the Audience. Visually Prepared Gaming (VPG is an upcoming community) 20:10 Accessing Gaming as a Blind or Low Vision Developer? When will game design itself be accessible? 21:30 Which specific platforms, console, devices, online platforms are generally better than others. 28:00 Which Games do you recommend? What is best for Cory? Other demographics? 30:00 Valve and Steam generally. 35:00 Best XBox Games? Forza Motorsports, Mortal Kombat One, The Last of Us 41:45 World of Warcraft and other older games collect mods over time which can be helpful. 43:00 Doom, specifically Toby as a great example of how older games can be made accessible! 46:00 Shouting out Indie Games such as: Stories of Blossom, and also Brock the Investigator 49:00 Ending thoughts, contact info

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00:00 Start 09:00 Sharky 28:00 Flexible Web 42:00 Smart Glances 50:00 Wrap up Sign off

Full Transcription: [Vision Forward] 11:02:14 Welcome to vision forwards, tech, connect, live, connecting you to the world of assistive technology.

[Vision Forward] 11:02:20 And now here are your hosts, Corey and Lou.

[Vision Forward] 11:02:29 Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! Hi!

[Vision Forward] 11:02:34 Hello! How's everybody doing this morning? It is Thursday, June twenty-first, 2023, and that can only mean one thing.

[Vision Forward] 11:02:47 Time, and that can only mean one thing, time for tech talk a little time for tech, connect, live.

[Vision Forward] 11:02:54 We potentially are having good Jonathan. If you could confirm my troops, I just heard so over there, hey?

[Vision Forward] 11:03:02 He must be Ok. Hello, everybody. Hello, good! So welcome. Hello! Apologist to those on Youtube who did not hear our lovely intro music.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:09 Hopefully, we'll get that rectified for the next session.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:12 Something always has to go wrong. But luckily this was a fairly minor thing.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:17 So that is good, and thank you to everybody who completed our survey as well.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:20 With me, too. Yeah, we did send out a survey with requests for ideas about where to take the show's direction, and we are probably going to make some small changes just to improve the show for those who enjoy it, and hopefully bring on that some do you know what the most requested change was go ahead let me know no, more

[Vision Forward] 11:03:40 jokes, yes, it was, sadly. People don't seem to like jokes so much the jokes, but more just all of the chatting upfront.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:49 So we are gonna try and get into the show a little bit more quickly and apologies to those who did enjoy those well, and I get it.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:56 It is when we started this it was during Covid 3 years ago.

[Vision Forward] 11:03:59 People, were at home. They had a little more spare time.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:01 Yeah, now, people are connecting in the midst of work or whatever they might be doing and so they want to just get right to the information. Totally understand that.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:12 So we are going to speed up our beginning. As we keep talking about I know, I think I think we have some further conversation to have, as well regarding show length and topics.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:27 Yeah, if you didn't fill out the survey, please do so.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:30 It should have dropped in your mailbox. Your email will probably maybe send it out one more time, just to make sure it really is helpful, though, to fill out that survey.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:39 We can actually drop it in the comments of this video.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:45 Once it gets archived on Youtube, we'll post and PIN that to this, to this session, so that those on Youtube can also have a chance to do that.

[Vision Forward] 11:04:55 And it really is helpful. So we appreciate it. And if you really want to confuse us, fill out the survey twice with completely opposite points of view each time really confuses it will skew the results.

[Vision Forward] 11:05:09 I assume people can fill it out more than once if they are feeling the fact as many times as they'd like I probably shouldn't have told them that so anyway, today we are talking about jaws, and some of the feature full features.

[Vision Forward] 11:05:20 Yes, in jaws. So jaws is a screen, reader, for those who are not aware which is probably no one.

[Vision Forward] 11:05:24 I imagine everybody on this show is aware of jaws, and it does have some really nice features that I don't think are necessarily all that explored.

[Vision Forward] 11:05:31 Yeah, I think a lot of the features that we're looking to look at today are these features that have been introduced over?

[Vision Forward] 11:05:36 Maybe the past 4 or 5 years. They're not really like mainstay features.

[Vision Forward] 11:05:41 Everyone sort of jars, I think, is a lot like other programs where there's so much it does.

[Vision Forward] 11:05:46 But you really just utilize what you know, or what you've been taught, and some of these other features, like smart glances, flexible web, and and the voice assistant are things that have been introduced more recently.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:01 And you just may not have really gotten understanding of either how they work or what they do.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:06 And so that's what we wanted to highlight today.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:08 I think as a trainer, it's easy to get stuck in a rut with just teaching what you know, and not taking advantage of the newer features.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:16 But then that's doing a disservice to your clients.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:19 And as a user, I mean, it's the same type of thing.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:22 There might be features which you haven't explored, because you are used to using whatever you know so hopefully, this will be some new information for people and make them even more powerful.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:30 Screw, read a users just like Corey here I am, Corey, the power man. I am Mr.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:35 Screen reader, that my friends, hey, Mr. Screen reader, please tell me that's true.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:47 Howdy do you say? Hey, Mr. Mr. So so yeah, what we've got in store call?

[Vision Forward] 11:06:51 So we're going to jump in now on the title of this session.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:55 We're going to jump in now on our on the title of of this session we included a few different cool features.

[Vision Forward] 11:06:58 We included flexible web, touchscreen support, smart glances. Yes, and Sharkey.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:06 Yeah. The voice assistant yes. Now, at the top of the maybe I shouldn't say this, but right at the top I'm going to say we're not really going to touch on touchscreen touch on.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:16 We're not really going to cover touchscreen support in this session.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:19 Number one. I realize that I don't have a touch screen laptop super handy.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:24 So it's gonna be kind of. I don't want to just sit and talk about the different gestures.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:28 So we will do an upcoming session on touchscreen plus.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:31 Actually, I think, touchscreen itself could almost take an hour there's a lot of different gestures and stuff so today we're going to look at 3 specific features that might be overlooked.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:43 That's flexible web, smart glances and Sharkey, or the Voices Assistant.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:48 So that's what we're going to jump into today.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:49 So I will say, even though we are cutting down the intros, we are still going to have a joke.

[Vision Forward] 11:07:53 But today, oh, yeah, today, Sharkie is going to jump right in. Oh, well, he's listening to you right away.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:01 So why don't we go ahead and jump right into that piece?

[Vision Forward] 11:08:04 So 1, 2, 3, 4. Let's did that do it?

[Vision Forward] 11:08:10 No, which one is that one. I think it's an excellent luck.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:13 Let me. I think you've got the right one. Actually.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:14 PC, is that one muted? Now? Yeah, so if you go ahead and use jols here, if people could let us know in the chats whether they can hear jaws.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:20 Ok, that would be a problem. I'll just type something oops.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:25 Hello! Document one. There we go! Hello, everyone! Everyone exclaim. So let us know. In the chat.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:34 If you are able to hear that. Ok, we are making our computer.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:37 And I think it should be, okay. Yeah, just let us know.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:39 So let's jump in here and just let me know if there's an issue. So they have released.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:44 I believe it was in jaws 2021. They are released.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:48 A voice assistant for both jaws and for zoom, text, or fusion and jaws.

[Vision Forward] 11:08:55 It's called Sharkey is the kind of key phrase, and in zoom it's Zoomie now.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:03 First and foremost, I actually sort of like both of them, but I will say I got an issue with the sharky and soothe me. The names.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:11 Yeah, I get, why they chose it. But I just got a real issue.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:16 I like shocking, because it reminds me of the cartoon shocking!

[Vision Forward] 11:09:18 And, George, okay, I'm not sure if you I don't think that was in a American.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:21 I wasn't sure. Yeah. So Shaki and George, they were crime fighters, and they were in the sea because Sharkie was a shock.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:29 And George. What was George? Just a fish of some sort? I don't have a better way.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:32 They swam through the ocean, and solving crime. There's a lot better crime.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:39 So so released in 2021 and basically it's freedom, scientific version of the voice assistant.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:44 What I wanna do real quickly is just show you where you can go to turn it on, and where some of the settings are.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:50 So I'm going to go into my jaws. Menu.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:54 Here draws context, menu. And we're going to utilities, utilities, submenu.

[Vision Forward] 11:09:58 And actually, let's slow that down, leaving it slower, slower.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:01 There we go, joyous context utilities. Submenu. Yeah, we'll go into utilities.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:05 Josh Tandon, a voice assistant submit, and the second options.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:10 Voice assistant, let's go on in here. Talk to jaws in search, plus alt plus space.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:14 Now, here's one method for you to engage the voice assistant is by going in here and actually choosing this option, which I find to be a little bit cumbersome is it a keyboard? Chk? Yeah, yeah.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:26 Or just coming right into the that would be great. Yeah. So we're going to go down.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:30 Though to settings settings Dot, and let's just take a peek real quick.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:34 Enter leaving Menus voice assistant Settings dialog enable voice assistant check box, check, for we want to make sure that this enable voice assistant checkbox is checked.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:44 Otherwise we'll be just talking to our computer, and nothing will be happening.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:48 Listen for wake word sharky radio. Button checked 2 of 2.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:53 So we have 2 options. Here we have listen for the wake word, or we can choose the other option.

[Vision Forward] 11:10:58 Listen for wait words, Sharkey radio, button check. So basically, you can choose from.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:02 Hey! Followed by the wake word, or just the wake word itself.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:06 Litigin so I'm going to choose the one with Hey?

[Vision Forward] 11:11:11 Do not listen for weight, ward, checkbox, Snapchat, if you don't want.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:15 If you still want to use the voice assistant, either through keyboard shortcuts or another method.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:19 But don't want it listening for the wake word.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:23 You can uncheck this box or check this box here, enable voice assistant sounds check box check you're going to hear when we give it a command that there is a start listening and end listening sound.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:34 If you check you can, you can get rid of those here by doing this check box.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:37 If you choose, microphone input device combo box windows, default.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:43 If you've got a different microphone that you want to use, either set it to the default, or if you have a headset that you're always wearing, whatever it might be, you can make sure and choose which microphone you want take me to the privacy policy link if you want to go and take a

[Vision Forward] 11:11:54 look obviously at their privacy policy. You can do that. Okay.

[Vision Forward] 11:11:57 All right, let's do. Okay. We've got it turned down.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:00 We're ready to go. So let's just do a couple little quick examples.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:03 So we know that the listen word is hay, followed by its trigger word.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:09 So we'll do it in a moment, and we'll just start real quickly with the time.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:13 Hold on. We still need a joke as well. Oh, yeah, okay, let's start with that. That works. Good idea.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:18 All right, we're gonna have our good friend Jaws here.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:21 Tell us a joke, since we skipped over the joke.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:24 Hey, Sharkey, tell me a joke!

[Vision Forward] 11:12:28 What do you call a shark? Who wants to be by himself a lone shark?

[Vision Forward] 11:12:33 A lone pair. Very good. I've asked it about 5 jokes. They also heard, as they all seem to be sharp, related.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:49 At some point that's got to end. But you can get jokes from it.

[Vision Forward] 11:12:56 No good voices. A voice assistant is not a good voice, assistant.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:00 If it doesn't tell Joe, I think shocking.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:01 The quality of shark. His jokes seem to be better than most.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:03 All right. Let's give it one more. Hey, Sharkey, okay, let's try again.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:04 Hey, Sharkey, tell me a joke!

[Vision Forward] 11:13:07 I love the F. 5 key. It's just so refreshing.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:12 Oh, my God! So that was a computer job that was shock, specific.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:16 That was actually pretty good. So if you're very geeky like Korea and I, then you might enjoy your show all right.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:21 Let's do a couple other real quick ones. Hey, Sharkey!

[Vision Forward] 11:13:24 What time is it?

[Vision Forward] 11:13:27 1113 A. M. So, like most voice assistants, we can ask it the time we can ask it.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:33 The date. That's all good, but we're really more interested in sort of more specific jaws.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:38 Youes right? And really the point of this voice assistant is for those who may struggle with remembering keyboard commands.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:46 It's obviously it's not like windows, voice, access, voice control, where we can do pretty much everything.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:55 This is, there's a lot, but it's still pretty limited on what we have to do.

[Vision Forward] 11:13:59 So there's a lot of keyboard commands you still have to remember.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:02 But for some of those things that you maybe don't do very often like increasing and decreasing your speech rate, we can do it via Shkey.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:11 Hey sharkey! Speak faster!

[Vision Forward] 11:14:14 You try again, faster, serious, trying to talk on my watch at the same time.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:20 Hey Sharkey, Hey Sharkey Speech, Rate, 60.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:28 Hey, sharkey speech rate, 30.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:32 30%. So we can do either speak faster, speak slower, or we can give it a specific 30, 56 million dollars per minute, is it? Yeah, I think that's the percentage.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:47 I think it might be based offwards per minute. But it's it's in line with what you would see when you go into the jaws settings and change the speech right?

[Vision Forward] 11:14:54 So they are in line there, so you can do larger increments if you'd like to.

[Vision Forward] 11:14:58 Okay, so let's go. I have a little cheat sheet here that I want to jump back to, because I don't want to forget anything.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:08 Tell me. Oh, here's another good one, too. I have a question for you.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:13 Yes. What is the keyboard shortcut to test? To find out the battery status of your laptop?

[Vision Forward] 11:15:21 Well, I don't know the specific shocker. I would probably go to the notification chevron and open that up, and should be in there.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:29 I believe it's inert. Is it? Insert all beer in search control, be insert alt. B.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:38 No bookmarks. No, that's not insert control.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:39 B control. B, no, that's all. Oh, well, maybe it's shift.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:43 Geez! It's been so long now since I've done it A/C connect there it is. Recharge.

[Vision Forward] 11:15:47 Insert, shift, B easy, because that's real easy to do with 2 hands, anyways. How about we do, hey?

[Vision Forward] 11:15:52 Sharkey, hey, Sharkey? Okay. Third times. A truck, hey, Sharkey Clinton, like Hey, Sharkey, Battery?

[Vision Forward] 11:16:06 A/C. Connected, recharging, battery battery, level, high battery, 97% vision forward.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:13 That's cool. And again the Internet access as well, too, I will say the the lack of response.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:20 Some of the hay sharky commands something you see pretty regularly.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:24 With these speech recognition, yeah, then, with hay, Kultana.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:27 Sometimes it responds, sometimes it doesn't. It might be better with a headset.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:29 Possibly probably would be, I'd also be interested switching it to just the without. Hey?

[Vision Forward] 11:16:35 And I'd be curious just saying, sharky, if there'd be much difference. Yeah.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:38 So, battery. That's another really cool one, too.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:40 Let me jump back to my other faster. Ok, we did that start selection.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:47 Oh, here's an interesting one, so let's try this one.

[Vision Forward] 11:16:50 There is a way in jaws to when you want to select text, and we know we can just use our shift key in conjunction with any of our text navigation keys and do it that way.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:03 But there's also a way to do. Start and start and stop a selection so that you can start selection, and then move to where you want it to be finished selection, and then it'll just select all of what's in there so would you once you said start selection would you

[Vision Forward] 11:17:18 move with the arrows. Yeah, exactly. So, for example, let's just type something here.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:22 Hello! This is.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:28 Lds selections. What works? So let's go back to the beginning.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:34 Here. Black Alot. Oh, yeah, Shin forget what I typed for a minute. So I'm on the h here of Hello!

[Vision Forward] 11:17:41 So hey, sharkey start selection.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:45 Save document before marking place. Oh, that's interesting. Just save it first. Oh, yeah, I guess so, save as banter. All right. That's right.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:54 Let's try it again. I didn't know that.

[Vision Forward] 11:17:56 Never tried that before. Hey, Sharkey? Start selection.

[Vision Forward] 11:18:01 Marking place, all right. So now I'm just going to use my end key and just move to the end of the line real quick blank period. There we go.

[Vision Forward] 11:18:08 Now I'm at the end blank. Hey, Sharkey!

[Vision Forward] 11:18:12 Hey, Sharkey, finished Selection.

[Vision Forward] 11:18:18 Selecting between. Right now, how do I know, though, for sure, that it works?

[Vision Forward] 11:18:26 Very good question. Hey? Sharkey? Reed selection.

[Vision Forward] 11:18:29 Hello! This is a test to see how selection works.

[Vision Forward] 11:18:33 There you go so real quick way to kind of select a big group of texts and then also double check that what you selected actually happen. Do you think that's any easier than using the keyboard to do those things?

[Vision Forward] 11:18:47 Yes, if you can't remember how to do it, you know, I mean some of these really.

[Vision Forward] 11:18:54 What it comes down to is, if you use a feature, a lot, you're obviously going to know the keyboard command yeah, right? And you'll do it.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:02 Now the battery, one to me as a given that it's just easier to do using Sharky, because both going down to the notification system tray or doing the insert shift.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:14 B can just be a little more cumbersome, so I think it comes down to how often you use a feature.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:20 And are you? Are you more likely to remember? Start selection and finish selection versus whatever the keyboard.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:25 I feel like selecting text is one of those fundamental things that you should be able to do.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:30 And you're probably doing regularly, you are. But how many people actually use that method versus selecting the whole line or selecting word by word all the way through?

[Vision Forward] 11:19:40 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think this method is almost a little more advanced method in selection.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:46 I never use it to be honest, only it's one of those where I just forget about it.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:50 You sort of get. As you mentioned earlier, you get into those kind of ruts, and this is for me.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:56 This is one of them where it is a lot easier to do.

[Vision Forward] 11:19:58 But I just always forget it's there I find, using voice assistance generally a little bit weird.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:03 I do, too. And there is this. It's they're still a little delay that annoys me.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:08 But it's like better. It's the delay was worse back in the day, and I do want to mention as well that this v assistant does require Internet connection, because it is using Microsoft Cloud in order to process all these commands and stuff.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:25 So if you don't have access to the Internet, your sharky buddy isn't going to work for you.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:30 Okay, let's we did those thanks. Let's take a look here.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:34 Now at. Let's go to a web page, and that'll feed us sort of into our next one, too.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:42 Go to vision forward.org, enter home, page visions. I hear this is a very good website, Corey, one of the best around windows of it. Home. All right.

[Vision Forward] 11:20:50 So do you. Do you train individuals to use a list links, list and headings list?

[Vision Forward] 11:20:59 I do. I show them how to do it, but also I don't necessarily know how useful they are to a lot of people so yeah, I mean, really, the biggest benefit to them is the first letter navigation but it's again, it's one of those where when I was trained.

[Vision Forward] 11:21:17 And got in the habit of using. I just never did them, so I always forget to do them, and then I know the keyboard commands, but I always forget with Instr. F-six, and then F.

[Vision Forward] 11:21:26 7 I always get them mixed up. Use them often. I mean, the other thing is if you're going to use first letter navigation that implies that you know the name of the thing that you're looking at.

[Vision Forward] 11:21:36 Also, then why not just use virtual find? You could accept?

[Vision Forward] 11:21:38 Well, I guess from a yeah, I guess from a keyboard shortcut.

[Vision Forward] 11:21:41 It depends on keyboard how many presses you know. Virtual fine is quick as well.

[Vision Forward] 11:21:46 You're still going to type in one thing. Yeah. So it becomes, we should do a whole show on which, yeah?

[Vision Forward] 11:21:53 So Sharkey will let us do, a voice command. We can say, Hey, Sharkey!

[Vision Forward] 11:21:57 Hey, Sharkey, hey! Sharkey list Links!

[Vision Forward] 11:22:04 Links, list dialog links list. There we go, so it brings it up as if we did the keyboard command I'll tap my skis key and we can do the same.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:14 Hey! Sharkey! Hey! Sharkey list headings!

[Vision Forward] 11:22:20 Heading, list we can also get our for you. That's quite useful, because if you forget the insert of 6, insert and sell on which one is which.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:27 Yeah, I'm using just you shocking stuff exactly, I believe, instead of 7 is lists.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:32 It's already links. I think you might be I think I'm right. Let's find.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:36 But now I gotta find out links that nailed it all right.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:41 So that's one thing you can do on the Internet with the with sharks like, let's see what else I did that blank list comments.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:50 So that's honestly, I mean, you can list tables.

[Vision Forward] 11:22:54 You can list, form fields and things like that, but you can't navigate by heading, but you don't.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:01 I mean, honestly, you want to hit H. You don't want to say hey, Sharkey?

[Vision Forward] 11:23:04 Next, heading. I don't think it works. Please go toward or outlook to use this.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:11 Okay, yeah, it does work in in word and outlook.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:17 You can navigate by heading. So if you open the links list or the headings list with Sharkey, you have to use the keyboard and that arrow down or hit the first letter that you want, hey?

[Vision Forward] 11:23:25 We can do a virtual find with show. You cannot really.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:28 I'm surprised, at least not in what I read. You couldn't.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:32 I'm not saying, yeah. So it's pretty. It's a bit limiting here on the Internet again.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:35 It's really any of these lists, any of these lists from form fields, headings, links, those cable lists, those all have shortcut keys, and any of those you can bring up.

[Vision Forward] 11:23:48 If you want. Hey, Sharkey List Tables?

[Vision Forward] 11:23:54 No tables. No, we should mention as well that you found a list of these shortcuts on the Freedom scientific structure. Yeah. And I'll show you really quickly.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:03 That's a great question. I should have mentioned it. But let me do it right now.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:06 And now actually, yeah, we'll show that real quick here.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:09 So if I go back into my jaws, menu here and we go back to utilities again.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:15 Utilities, Joy's 10, and down to voice, voice, assist!

[Vision Forward] 11:24:18 There we go expand, and we went to settings. Last time settings to go. One more getting started.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:25 That's gonna take us right into the training material. And in there you're gonna navigate by headaching, and you'll find a heading it breaks it down by general reading word, Internet outlook.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:38 And you can take a look at all of those different. That's for one thing, I think with a tool like this, like a lot of the a lot of the kind of usage is just going to be figuring out where it's more efficient to use sharkey, so you're not necessarily going to use

[Vision Forward] 11:24:53 every single sharky command. It's going to be a few that help you with whatever you do on a daily basis.

[Vision Forward] 11:24:58 We'll give one more quick example here in the word page, vision.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:00 Hello, Doc! Doc's word. Okay, so let's do this document here.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:05 And what I want to do here real, quick period work selection works.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:08 Oh, okay, sk, Ok, so now, I just made a misspelling here. You know, the weird thing.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:15 Word hasn't flagged it as a test to see how selection works is.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:23 I guess that's a word and there's a capital S excess. It doesn't work.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:30 Capital X maybe they're just a way. Okay, okay, let's do pause Z, at the end.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:36 That's gonna be a right blank. So it's still no flag.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:41 It just try it, though. I don't think it's going to work.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:43 But let's try it here. So one of the features we can do is spelling error.

[Vision Forward] 11:25:51 There we go. We actually can do one of 2 things. First, we can't spelling errors, and it'll put all theirs in a list for us, or we can say next, spelling error.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:01 So if I say, Hey, Sharkey! Next spelling year.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:06 The option to check spelling as you type is disabled.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:09 Oh, well, that's weird. I didn't I thought that would do that, but that must be.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:14 Why, it's not flagging, maybe, anyways, what it will do if you have that feature, turned on which it is by default, it'll just take you to the next misspelled word.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:25 Tap your applications, key down, arrow through your spelling options.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:29 Hit. Enter on the word you want, and now you've done your spelling.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:33 So some people don't like the new revamped spelling and grammar checker in office.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:44 So this might be one way of doing it. You can also say next, grammar mistake in in office. So this might be one way of doing it. You can also say next grammar mistake as well. So you can do just more than just spelling can do grammar I think that's a handy feature.

[Vision Forward] 11:26:55 The other feature I like, too, is comments. I work with some college-aged students where they all get assignments back with comments. Yeah.

[Vision Forward] 11:27:04 And jaws does a good job on it, but there is a command for next comment.

[Vision Forward] 11:27:09 Previous comment. So you can just move right through the document, and there's keyboard commands as well yeah, which obviously, all of these things have keyboard commands.

[Vision Forward] 11:27:16 All all the voice assistant is doing. Is just tying the words, the phrase you're saying to the keyboard command, if I wonder if I wonder if there is a future where all of this is just done by voice or just thinking can I think the battery?

[Vision Forward] 11:27:31 And then it does it. How long it produces Jonathan, how to comment? Yeah, we do it.

[Vision Forward] 11:27:40 Which, by the way, if people watch our apple vision pro video, which will be released today or tomorrow.

[Vision Forward] 11:27:45 But I think today, by Jonathan, hopefully, today, hopefully, today, at 60'clock but possibly tomorrow at 60'clock. If you watch the apple vision pro video, then you will find out about the eye tracking inside the vision project and what the alternatives for people like me who cannot use my eyes to look

[Vision Forward] 11:27:58 at stuff, yeah, it's 40 min long. By the way, so make sure you but we look at the new headset from an accessibility standpoint. So it's pretty cool.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:08 Make sure you get your popcorn and coffee or alcoholic beverage.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:12 If that is your preference. Alright. So that is Sharkey.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:15 That's the voice assistant. There's a more when you look at the voice commands.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:19 You're gonna see it a lot does a lot more.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:21 I just wanted to highlight some of the most used ones are the ones I think would be most commonly used.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:26 But I want to move on. Yes, for those with Zoomtox.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:30 You do have Zoomie similar things. So Corey mentioned it before.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:32 But yeah, yeah, you can say, Zoomie, or Hey, Zoomie?

[Vision Forward] 11:28:35 Increased, magnific. Decrease me, you know those kind of things which I think I mean again, there are keyboard shortcuts for those those probably get used more often.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:42 But then again, yeah, so alright. Are you ready to move on?

[Vision Forward] 11:28:46 Oh, just one more thing sorry. I just thought, for those who are using screen magnification.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:50 They might not know the keyboard as well as somebody using a screen.

[Vision Forward] 11:28:54 Reader, show. So maybe for those people the the voice commands are actually more relevant.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:00 That might be true. Yeah, I'm on board with you, all right. Next thing, we're going to take a look at is our buddy yeah, flexible web, I find the vision buddy.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:12 You don't know anything about flexible web. I think it's where you send your computer to Yoga camp.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:18 Is that right? Anyone in that, either in the Zoom chat or you Tube, throw it in there.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:25 If you're familiar with flexible web, and if you land it, give me an example of how you use it.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:30 Please? Is it where you can get rid of certain elements sort of yes, there's 2 main things.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:37 Are are you ready? We're going to use vision forwards.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:42 Website here, as an example, we use regions on our website.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:48 We've got 3. We got 3 main regions that we kind of work with here.

[Vision Forward] 11:29:52 First region is, takes us to the banner at the top of our website, and I think our banner has the shopping cart.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:00 And let's take a look here. So I'm going to do an R to move by region list of 3 items.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:04 So we have open search, form, search button. We can open up our search link card contents. Our C.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:09 0, Lincoln Centre, font, size and change in.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:12 So that's what's in the banner. There.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:14 So let's say that I never want to deal with that don't ever need it.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:20 Don't ever, want to work with that banner. It's just in the way I want to hide it so that jaws doesn't see it.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:28 So we're gonna use flexible web to do that.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:31 So we're gonna use flexible web to do that.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:31 So first, we're going to use our key to move back to that so first, we're going to use our key to move back to that region list of 3 items.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:35 And now we're going to do the Layer command.

[Vision Forward] 11:30:39 Insert space and

[Vision Forward] 11:31:02 Moment, and so I'm going to go over to Ok.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:07 Enable flexible web checkbox chat. We want to make sure that that's checked, and it is by default, and we'll do our next enter.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:12 How would you like to customize the page, hide an element radio button checked one of 2.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:18 So now it's asking me how I want to change it. Here.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:21 So we have start hiding element. High didn't know what saying hide, but it's almost saying, Hey, I can't tell.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:26 It's pronouncing it where hide an element, or start reading at an element, start reading.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:32 Now we're going to do that one next so let's just do hide first.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:36 Hide an element. Good! We'll tab over back button next button all right.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:40 Enter which of the following elements would you like to customize list, box list one of 4.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:45 Now remember when we moved to that banner. It was also a lists. Right? Yeah.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:52 So there is a number of 4. Now remember, when we moved to that banner, it was also a list. Right? Yeah. So there is a number of different elements.

[Vision Forward] 11:31:56 It's seeing there. So now it's asking us by which element or which element do we want to hide? Now?

[Vision Forward] 11:32:00 I don't want to do the list I don't want that which is a little bit more.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:06 HTML stuff, but go down Banner region. That's what I want. I want to get rid of that whole region as a whole. So I'm going to go over and choose next next button.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:17 Enter select a customization list, box, hide, banner, region, one, and I want to hide it.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:20 That's what that's the first options. I'll keep that back.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:23 Button finished final finish. All right. It's now been created. Hey?

[Vision Forward] 11:32:27 If I go back up to the top of the page, and I do are Maine region. It got right.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:33 It's skipped right over, actually that skip over 200 regions main region. There we go.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:39 It skipped over that banner region, and it's no longer there. Cly, I have questions.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:43 Yes, I have many questions, but before I ask my questions, Sean has a question what were the keystrokes we used to get to the list of sharky commandants? Very good.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:53 What you can do is go into your jaws, menu, so that's a little tougher, because it depends.

[Vision Forward] 11:32:59 If you run jaws from your system, tray or not, do you run jaws from your system?

[Vision Forward] 11:33:04 Tray. Then you're just going to either. Do an insert J, or go to the desktop and hit.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:09 Enter on jaws that brings up the jaws.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:11 Context, menu go to utilities, then the voice assistant and then down arrow to get started if you don't run jaws in your system train, it's just in your task.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:20 Bar alt tab till you get to the jaws window.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:24 Go ahead and do your alt, you to bring up the utilities menu down narrow to voice, assistant, expand it down, arrow to get started, Sean.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:34 Oh, actually, it was a show! Nice sorry. I just saw the full name.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:37 Let's us know if that gave you what you needed, and so for my question, please question number one.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:44 Yes, now that we have hidden that region. Yes, does jaws remember, if we close the browser and go back, will that region still be no right now?

[Vision Forward] 11:33:53 It's temporary. Ok? So one thing that I'll notice is if I alt f 4 out of the browser.

[Vision Forward] 11:33:58 Yeah, it will prompt me to ask me if I want to save it, or if I do my insert actors insert space.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:06 Space, X. Flexible web. Dialog. What would you like to do?

[Vision Forward] 11:34:09 Create a new customer. Z. Now I can do we try high banner region one from the top with id equals masked head or undue high banner region, one from the top, with save temporary customizations as a rule, radio button Shack.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:22 I can now save it as a permanent rule. If I do that now, this is pretty cool.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:26 I want to show you this enable flexible web.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:29 Next button. Enter the Roomame edit type in 10.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:33 We'll just call us R. It doesn't really matter we're just going to name it.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:37 List view. How would you like that? List? View, hide, banner, reach how would you like this rule to apply combo box to the current side?

[Vision Forward] 11:34:45 So this is to the current site. So that would be this.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:51 This this region, I believe, As on every page that would apply to every page, so that would apply it to every.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:58 So when it says current site, it really means current domain. So yes, any.

[Vision Forward] 11:34:59 Any page on this site or if I down arrow to the current page just to the current page, I mocked.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:05 So we'll look at the back button. Finish my favorite now.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:11 It's permanently there. So now, if I leave Chrome and come back in, it'll be there.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:15 But let me just show you this for a second kind of cool windows. M.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:18 Desk. If we go to Microsoft, Edg, let's go to the opening new window address.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:24 Insert. And let's go to vision. Borg entered our web page homepage homepage, and I do.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:33 Our main region. Amazing? Yes, so cool. It's actually I was shocked when I so it works.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:39 It's not so. It's not saved to the browser itself.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:44 It's saved to jaw so that it goes across any browser that you're using.

[Vision Forward] 11:35:48 It's pretty clever. So that is desktop. Incredible!

[Vision Forward] 11:35:51 HP, I didn't actually expect that. No, my only concern with this is, it is pretty advanced, because not necessarily in terms of the key commands, but as you arerowing through the lists, making choices, some of that stuff I could see does get a little bit and I think that's where you

[Vision Forward] 11:36:09 know with a trainer you can kind of get from a little bit familiar, more familiar with which ones you should choose.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:14 You know some other great examples would be sometimes when you go to a website where you read an article, you'll use your H key, and you will hear the heading of the article, which is great.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:26 But then, when you down arrow, you hear share on Facebook, hide all that.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:31 So now, next time you go there to any article, usually they all carry the same kind of layout when you do your Hq.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:37 And down Arrow, you'll all that will be hin, and you'll get right to your article.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:41 That my only other concern is with placemakers, which is another cool jaws.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:47 Feature I have had the experience more than once where the place markers disappear, and they are not temporary place markers.

[Vision Forward] 11:36:54 They have been saved, but they disappear or, for example, if the web site changes as well that not can also call it. Can you just got to make sure, like when you create place markers.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:05 One of the options is in. There is, you know, anchor to text.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:10 Yes, and so you always want to use that. But yes, it's not a perfect size.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:14 Well, I kind of wonder whether there might be similar issues with this potentially yeah, I don't know.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:21 So in this case we hit an entire region. But you can hide just a single element.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:25 So just a single link, a single button, whatever you want to do. And then, at any point.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:28 Now I saved that, but if I do insert space X.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:34 And I find view or change where roles apply radio button check, create a new view, create a new customer's April. Okay?

[Vision Forward] 11:37:42 So what's enable flexible finish space if you were okay. So what's the enable flexible space view or change with?

[Vision Forward] 11:37:51 And now it's crime, star vision, 0, global opened. What? One currency vision forward.org closed open. Let's open, Jan.

[Vision Forward] 11:37:58 Current page, vision forward.org slash! Anyways, I don't want to go through all this, so you can go in and delete that customization at any point as well.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:05 So if you set one, and then you're like, Oh, never mind, no, I need it back. You can do it now.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:09 Let me do the other side of flexible web. So let's give an example here, where potentially, when you come, I'm trying to think of a good well, I'll just use ours here.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:22 Let's use an example here when you come to our web page.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:28 If you can't see some living with a vision I'm gonna just move by headings shot for adaptive vision products visited heading level 3 right now, let's pretend, for example, you go to a website and there's a heading that says trending stories.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:40 Or or or today's news that heading is always there right?

[Vision Forward] 11:38:44 But let's say, when you load that page with jaws, you always just want to start right from that headache right from that link, or whatever it might be.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:54 So what you do is first move to it like I just did.

[Vision Forward] 11:38:56 Here heading level 3 link shop. So I'm on the shop for adaptive tools.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:00 If I do insert space. Space X. Flexible web dialogue, what would you like to do?

[Vision Forward] 11:39:06 Creative. And we want to create a new one. Enter, how would you like to customize the page hide an element this time?

[Vision Forward] 11:39:12 I don't want to hide. Instead, I'll down Arrow start reading it, and we'll do start reading back.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:18 Butt next button enter which of the following elements would you like to customize list box heading level?

[Vision Forward] 11:39:24

1. Shop for adaptive and that's what we want back butt next.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:28 Button, enter, select a customization list box, start a heading level 3, one from the top.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:32 With text, and we'll leave this at its default.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:35 Here, back, button finished Button. Now, if I refresh this page F.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:41 5, 3 regions. That reminds me of the jokes in 20.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:46 -five. There's 4 smart lunch highlights visited heading level, 3 link shop and it immediately took us right to that headache.

[Vision Forward] 11:39:54 So this is really powerful. If you really think from not only a personal, if they're sites, you go to all the time where you always think from not only a personal.

[Vision Forward] 11:40:06 If there are sites you go to all the time where you always have sites, you go to all the time where you always sites all the time we use Emr system electronic medical records all the time, and if I could set it up so that flexible web where I can say no every time you load this page I want you

[Vision Forward] 11:40:18 to go to this exact link or this heading, how much it can really save time, you know, getting places quicker.

[Vision Forward] 11:40:27 This is a really awesome feature. Yeah, yeah, this to me, I think flexible web.

[Vision Forward] 11:40:32 All of the ones we are going to look at today. To me this is the one that has the the biggest impact.

[Vision Forward] 11:40:37 Does have a little bit more learning curve. Kind of behind it, and might be one of these where?

[Vision Forward] 11:40:45 Where? Where, as a trainer, maybe, you help an individual set a month but once you start to get the groove and start to utilize them, you really can get rid of so much of that cruff and junk in a website, that you just don't need I think some of the only confusing part

[Vision Forward] 11:40:57 is really some of those. HTML options that you have, because when you're listening to those, I just feel like if you don't understand.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:05 HTML, then that's going to be the good news is you don't need a dose of them.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:09 You don't know but you're right. Just learning to disregard exactly.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:12 Yeah, wonderful. I can imagine implementing for some of this stuff like you could be a parent.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:19 And your kid wants to access a website. But there's certain things on that website.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:22 You don't want them to have access to. Yeah. So then you could obviously hide those elements so they don't have access to that.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:28 And also for users who maybe aren't so proficient with their screen reader, as a trainer you could simplify websites that they want to use to make it easier than to navigate.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:39 And then you could then start to unhigh as I get more and more, and you introduce more and more.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:44 So you're still using the same page versus going to new pages that are more complex.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:48 You still use the same page right now you're showing the relationship of okay.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:53 Now, I'm unhiding this and this is how you interact.

[Vision Forward] 11:41:55 So yeah. Very quick question. So if we hide the region which we did at the start here I assume that that region won't appear no matter how we're navigating.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:03 So if we're navigating by, we don't want using the.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:07 I don't believe so. Let's just try from the top real quick by down arrow.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:10 Same page, length, main region. Directly. I just judge right to try and spare over that. Yeah, be excellent.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:15 You got it. That's really cool. Yeah. Good job, freedom, scientific.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:19 Ready to go all right. So we've got really one last one here to take a look at that's smart glance, smart glances.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:29 This was a more recent addition. You might notice it when you've loaded up a new page in web pages, that when it reads the kind of summary.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:40 So let's see, actually, does it read the summary here?

[Vision Forward] 11:42:41 Do we have smart glance? That's fine. Let's find a home page.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:47 Vision Forwardword, 3 regions, 14 headings in 21 links for smart Lens.

[Vision Forward] 11:42:55 So basically, what smart glances are is that jaws looks at a web page, and it looks at the font attributes of the page.

[Vision Forward] 11:43:03 It looks at different font emphases or styles, or colors, and then it sees how often it's used, and the more unique, so the less often it's used, the higher ranking it gets and the reason for this is what they're assuming is that the developer of a website

[Vision Forward] 11:43:24 has taken a piece of text and used maybe a background color or a bold font, to draw your eye to that piece of content on the web page.

[Vision Forward] 11:43:36 Yet it's not a heading for you to just use your Ht.

[Vision Forward] 11:43:40 To get to, and so what they've done then is that that it, as it sees these, and you know, realizes, okay, this is only used a couple times.

[Vision Forward] 11:43:51 Then it creates kind of what they call consider a smart glance for you to quickly glance or move around that page to see something when you and I talked about this Corey, I suggested.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:03 Maybe this is this is at its best for websites that haven't been designed very well, because you would assume if the eye is being visually directed towards something on the page, it should really be a heading, because it's in a piece of information.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:20 I agree. So I want to use it on ours here, because I don't know what it's considering and I want you to sort of tell me the key that we use is Y, the letter Y is what moves us through smart glances.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:34 So if I do, y meet Jayie and learn more about her journey with vision loss.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:38 That was not a heading. No, but is it bold or different colour?

[Vision Forward] 11:44:44 It's definitely bold, and I'm not sure whether it's a different font.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:48 But it's definitely bold. Why, again, first name started.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:51 It required. So now it's moved to this form here, and so I don't know if the first name is maybe because of the star.

[Vision Forward] 11:44:57 I'm not sure why it considers this to be.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:00 I can't really tell last name starting. Obviously, the other one is a stop email star.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:08 And it requires that's 3. So there's one more no tapes. If I did, if I hit the right key, that would be helpful.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:12 First name start last name, email, stop wrapping to top.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:15 That was all of them. That's right. So that's what's smart glances are, at least on our webpage.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:23 Let me get show you a freedom. Scientific. The example they give.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:27 We go to their website.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:30 Calm, enter blank.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:33 Downloads. Sure. Oh, I didn't go to their home.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:36 Yeah, visited. Link Graphic. Enter home, page. Here we go.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:40 So there's let's see what they have here.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:42 First of all, let's find out if they have any, so I'll just do a quick refresh freedom, scientific high-quality, video magnifiers, braille displays screen magnification software.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:53 And number one screen. Reader, choice, freedom, scientific high quality, video.

[Vision Forward] 11:45:58 Oh, that's the longest title at any website has ever had. They should know about it.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:03 Oh, yeah, they should. Ok, there are glances. We're going to cut the middle man.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:08 Just tell you that there are glances. We're going to cut the middle man. Just tell you that there are. So I'm going to hit y and find out what so there they have one called.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:12 Yeah, that's called today. And if then, if I down Arrow Link 1, 804, I get their phone number.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:21 Yeah, so that cold today is visually is a different color.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:22 But it's not a heading no, no, not a heading. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:25 So that's basically smart glances where jaws will just look at the webpage.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:31 Determine if text is emphasized in some way, and if it is, then it brings it in as a smart glance.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:39 So that you can kind of skim through and just get an idea of potentially some important pieces of the website.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:47 That again. Maybe. Aren't navigated by heading or somewhere else to get some other methods.

[Vision Forward] 11:46:55 I do wonder how useful that is, you know, whenever I say a thing is not useful, and it's never used. So many people.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:01 Yeah, so I would love other people's opinions. How are you using smart glances?

[Vision Forward] 11:47:07 I don't see it as super and intuitive.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:13 Not that it's not intuitive. I don't see it super useful.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:14 Yeah, what are you gonna find? That's not consistency.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:17 There isn't the only upside to it is, is it?

[Vision Forward] 11:47:21 Is a quick way to to, you know a sighted person would bring up this freedom.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:26 Scientific webpage, and your eyes would be drawn to that. Call me right.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:29 Yes, because it's there. So now I can do the same thing, and I can use a keyboard command to see what the developers wanted.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:39 People's eyes drawn to. So it does give me more information.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:44 It gives me more ways to navigate, to maybe potentially find important information.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:49 And obviously smart glances is new. So there's been many other ways that we could have found this stuff as well in the past.

[Vision Forward] 11:47:55 I would have come here done a virtual fine type. Call, enter, call today, and got right there, too.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:03 So again it, but it was one key press versus 5 key Presses.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:08 So yeah, that's fair. I think, yeah, it's one of those things it's easy enough to do.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:13 So if you're on a website, you can just press your Mickey a few times. See what's there.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:17 See if there's anything interesting. I think it's underutilized, and probably a lot of trainers potentially don't do this is, I think, when a when a new website is loaded up, I think taking that moment to use the Y key and the R key to move by regions can give you

[Vision Forward] 11:48:36 a really quick idea of what how this page is laid out and what's potentially important, and what's not. Yeah.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:44 You know, the Y is obviously going to give you these smart glances.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:46 The R is going to move through the regions quickly, and you're going to find main navigation main, construct footer, and it just gives you an idea of what sort of on this page are not not so much what's on the page.

[Vision Forward] 11:48:57 But how it's laid out and grouped together. You can start to build that visual map, and it's quick, and then from there use your Ht.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:06 Or however else you choose to kind of navigate. So these features are available in jaws 2023.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:15 Yeah, I don't remember. Let's do it right now.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:18 So flexible. Web has been out forever you're stuck in a dialogue box.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:24 At the same time no button enter freedoms control. Let's do Josh Smart, the one that's his turn the back come out.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:35 The linked search was, what's new in videos? What's new in jaws?

[Vision Forward] 11:49:38 2,023, okay, 3, so 2023, for smart glances.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:43 Voice assistant who's 2021 flexible web, I think, was even before that.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:47 It's been around for a bit. So yeah, so most of these are going to be if you're up to date, then you're obviously good to go.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:56 But even if you've got an older one, you might be Ok.

[Vision Forward] 11:49:58 Depending on how old your version is, and for those of you who are not up to date, don't forget that freedom scientific do have a subscription plan, and for those of you who are not up to date. Don't forget that freedom scientific do have a subscription. Plan.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:09 Now where you can pay $90, convention sales and stuff.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:13 Yes, I saw an old post on blind bgains from 2015, where they were selling jaws, licenses for $75, and magic licenses for $50.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:24 Can you believe that? I think, when that was, I think, right when they started doing the subscription type?

[Vision Forward] 11:50:28 It was a yeah. That must have been the deal of the century.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:31 Anybody there was a conventions, anybody who was there. Let us know what you've got.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:38 Apparently they had offers of Braille displays as well, but I doubt they were $50 that's not going to be cool, though.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:44 So yes, so that was an overview of some of what I think are some can be useful jaws.

[Vision Forward] 11:50:52 Features, yet are probably overlooked in most cases. So again, for on Youtube throw in the comments how you might use some of these, or, if you do, zoom, if you're connected, live, throw it in the throw it in the chat real quick.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:06 If you've got any other questions, or I'd be curious if you know, maybe, how you use them as well.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:11 Yes, me, too. And I definitely learned a lot today. Corey.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:15 Thank you. I did. That's good. That's really the purpose of this.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:18 It's just a trailing. Well, when we sat down, we're like, why should we do this?

[Vision Forward] 11:51:23 And then you're like, I don't know anything and I said, All right, let's do a live session teaching you disclaimer.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:28 That is not what they are. They could have done them so.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:32 Yes, that is the end of our session for today, and we are going to like, say, we are going to have a conversation about our future format, and I expect that we will communicate.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:42 Don't be afraid. We're not going. We're not going to disappear, not going any. We're just gonna we're gonna make it better.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:48 That's really what it is. We want to give the people what they want. They.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:52 Yeah, I want 24, 7, streaming like a news channel.

[Vision Forward] 11:51:57 So yeah, we'll probably send out the survey again as Corey said, and if you haven't responded to it, then any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:03 It doesn't take too long to fill out. So we just want to get an idea of what people are looking for with these sessions.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:08 So hopefully. Today it was helpful. And in 2 weeks time I'm afraid our schedule has gone a little bit off the tracks.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:14 Here. So I'm not 100% sure what we're going to be doing.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:18 Yeah, I mean, we at some point this summer. We're coming back to my house again.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:21 We got a new basketball hoop. I'm going to show Hug where it's accessible.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:25 But I don't know. Yeah, we have kind of jumped around a little bit.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:30 So again, quick reminder, head over to our tech, connect website, tech, connect that vision, dash forward.org, create a free account.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:40 You have access to all of these sessions, archived, and you can see what's coming up.

[Vision Forward] 11:52:46 We'll be posting our next session that should go up tomorrow, so you'll see what's coming up, and you can just kind of keep updated with everything we're doing and all of our past stuff, both through 2023 and all of last year, 2022 they're all up there

[Vision Forward] 11:53:04 as well. And we do have a Youtube also, it is Youtube com, forward, vision forward, tech, connect.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:11 And that is where you will be able to see our latest video on the Apple vision pro when it releases today or tomorrow.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:18 And you can also see that on the Lms. As well.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:21 That's true. So you can see that in either of those 2 places.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:23 But if you happen to check out that video, we definitely would appreciate any likes and comments, because those always help with the algorithm and the apple vision pro for those who are not aware of it is a pretty cool piece of tech, and we speculate on whether it might be good from a low vision.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:37 Wearable perspective, so there is no clear sign from Apple as to whether they might have any features that were turn it into a low vision, wearable.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:46 But it's fun to speculate. Nonetheless, it is yes, so make sure you keep attuned to that channel for that video.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:52 Diane says I missed the jokes. Very sorry, Diana.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:55 I miss the jokes as well, but I think we still will do a joke.

[Vision Forward] 11:53:58 We're just not going to take 20 min to get into the.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:03 But the audience didn't seem to like it as much.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:08 So we are trying to tailor these to make as many people happy as possible.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:12 So then fill out the survey, and let us know that you really want our long intro with multiple jokes, and we'll see how we'll see how we get on.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:20 Once we've tallied all the results of those surveys.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:22 But for the moment goodbye. We will look forward to seeing you in 2 weeks, and I hope you have a great couple of weeks bye, for now see ya!

[Vision Forward] 11:54:35 And so.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:43 Thanks for joining us for another tech, connect, live. If you enjoyed Corey and Luke's antics, be sure to join us next time, for all things.

[Vision Forward] 11:54:52 Tech connect, go to vision 4 with org slash, tech, connect.

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0:00 Start 1:30 Jokes! 3:00 Audience Comments 5:45 Introducing Jeanette Von Dyck and the eSight Go! 7:00 Jeanette's personal story about getting involved in Assistive Technology 9:45 The eSight Go is best for those with Low Vision, ideal for those between 2200 to 2800 12:00 It is the type of device that you really need to test in person before knowing if it is right for you. 13:00 Jeanette explains Peter's Anomaly: Congenital Cornea Scarring 16:30 Audience Comments and Questions 18:15 Jeanette recalls recent history from eSight 3 (2017) through eSight 4 (2020) and now eSight Go! 23:30 The eSight Go! Physical Description, USB port, Neck Battery provides 3 hours of use per battery, 26:00 Tilt controls are quick and do not require you to physically tip the device = reduced neck strain 29:00 eSight Go weighs 170 grams for the visor itself, and you can use a longer USB cord 30:00 Device controls explained 32:45 No current ability to input a different signal from that USB but it might be improved in the future 34:00 Digital Tilt replaces the biopic tilt, the nose pads can still be adjusted though 37:00 Audience Chat, waiting list for the device, and how good is its display of Color? 40:00 Does the eSight App still work with the eSight Go? YES! The app can also be a controller. 41:15 Who owns eSight? Gentex Corporation intends to invest in the creation of future devices too 43:00 Discount for customers who have previously purchased older devices, or via Dr referral. 45:15 Vision Forward Association will allow you to visit and test out this and other wearable devices. 46:15 Wrap-Up and Contact info for Jeanette.VonDyck@Gentex.com or (855-837-4448) 48:00 Upcoming produced videos including accessibility of Microsoft Edge browser. 49:00 End

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