Uncomfy: Sticking with Moments That Challenge Us (BYUradio)

When an articulate critic in a Facebook group challenged his long-held Conservative beliefs, Brian Parrish, exhausted by years of echoing the same arguments and encouraged by his brother, chose to begin engaging openly with opposing perspectives. This encounter sparked a journey of self-reflection and learning, transforming his approach to dialogue with people he once saw as the enemy. Brian Parrish is host of the podcast Parrish the Thought. He listened to Uncomfy and reached out to us to share his story—and you can, too! We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!       Related Links: Parrish the Thought Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/parrishthethoughtpodcast/ Parrish the Thought Podcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2899743416752915/ Parrish the Thought Podcast Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/parrish-the-thought/id1348128086 Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Just a few months after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, the people of Newtown, CT, needed to decide what to do with the old school building. Rich Harwood, the president and founder of the Harwood Institute, was called in to help. Harwood questioned whether he was up to this enormous task, but ultimately accepted the assignment. But the complexity of making that decision was beyond what anyone could have imagined. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!   The Harwood Institute - https://theharwoodinstitute.org/ “Enough. Time to Build.” 2024 Civic Campaign – https://theharwoodinstitute.org/build Richard Harwood’s LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardcharwood/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

While making plans for his upcoming film, things got a lot more complicated and uncertain for filmmaker Nicholas Ma when his collaborator insisted on carrying out their production in a city that was both unfamiliar and potentially unwelcoming to Ma. Would he choose to walk away? Nicholas Ma is the director of the new film, Leap of Faith, and producer of the award-winning documentary, Won’t You Be My Neighbor. He is also the son of world-renowned cellist, Yo-Yo Ma. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!       Related Links:    Leap of Faith website - https://leapoffaithmovie.com/ Leap of Faith Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/leapoffaithmovie/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Tracy Saad spent her whole life avoiding politics, until the 2019 Lebanese revolution made her have a change of heart. She joined a nonprofit effort to educate and register voters where she faced the discomfort of realizing she had a lot of learning about politics to make up for and had to get comfortable saying, "Can you simplify that for me, please?" Fueled by this experience, Saad, a lifelong expat and CEO of Commence Games, created Commence Games, which designs card games for political engagement that are fun for all ages and perspectives. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!       Related Links: Commence Games Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/commence.games/ Commence Games Website - https://www.commence.games/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

After pouring years of passion and expertise into her latest book in hopes of inspiring a shift in how people collaborate and connect, Diana McLain Smith, organizational behavior expert and author of several books including her latest, Remaking the Space Between Us, was hit with a hard truth from her strategist: "People aren't buying what you're selling." The unexpected critique forced Smith to confront her own assumptions and reconsider her approach. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Remaking the Space Between Us Website – https://www.remakingthespace.org/ Diana McLain Smith LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/diana-smith-bb8b505/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

What happens when two people on opposite sides of a heated debate come together? Mark Rosenberg, a gun violence research advocate and former CDC official, and the late Congressman Jay Dickey, a staunch NRA supporter, were once bitter enemies. Their clash over the Dickey Amendment, which halted federal funding for gun violence research, seemed insurmountable. Yet, through a series of candid conversations and shared personal experiences, they discovered common ground and mutual respect. This Uncomfy conversation was adapted from a recent episode we did on gun violence over on our other podcast, Top of Mind with Julie Rose, which you can check out here: https://www.byuradio.org/2ca1d0ad-385b-45f8-91ec-a88a2474c347/top-of-mind-with-julie-rose-what-a-surprising-friendship-can-teach-us-about-gun-violence-in-america Related Links Rosenberg/Dickey op-ed 2012 - https://web.archive.org/web/20120801190312/https:/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-wont-know-the-cause-of-gun-violence-until-we-look-for-it/2012/07/27/gJQAPfenEX_print.html Rosenberg/Dickey op-ed 2015 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-for-collaboration-on-gun-research/2015/12/25/f989cd1a-a819-11e5-bff5-905b92f5f94b_story.html 1993 CDC-funded study that prompted the Dickey Amendment - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506 Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction 00:51 Meet Mark Rosenberg 01:24 The Feud with Congressman Jay Dickey 02:53 An Unexpected Meeting 04:40 Building an Unlikely Friendship 10:38 Lessons Learned and Shared 16:08 A Call for Unity and Hope 17:53 Conclusion and Further Listening

Meisha Lerato and her all-Black group of friends were relaxing at a hotel pool when a group of rambunctious boys began splashing and rough housing, disrupting their peace. Feeling disrespected and sensing racial undertones, Meisha decided to confront the white man supervising the boys. The encounter had the potential to escalate quickly. What happened ended up changing the trajectory of Meisha's life. Meisha Lerato is the founder of nonprofit I Am We Are. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!      Meisha Lerato Instagram Profile - https://www.instagram.com/meishalerato/ I Am, We Are Instagram Profile - https://www.instagram.com/iamweareyouth/ I Am, We Are website - https://www.iamweareyouth.org/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/  Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast   X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Richard Craft—former healthcare leader and host of The Men of the House podcast—shares a defining moment from his career when a casual remark to some of his employees led to a formal write-up. Richard reflects on his journey of embracing humility and taking ownership of his actions and how this experience transformed his leadership style. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!    Richard’s Podcast, The Men of the House – https://www.youtube.com/@RichardPCraft The Men of the House Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themenofthehousepodcast/ Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind – https://www.byuradio.org/topofmind Follow us on social media!  Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/   Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/   Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast   YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast   X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod   Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Aging is a natural part of life, but it can bring challenges—especially when it comes to caring for elderly loved ones. In this episode, Scottie Gassner reflects on how his relationship with his aging parents shifted after working with his longtime client, Dave, who started training with him at 79. Over the course of their 12 years together, Scottie saw firsthand the realities of aging—both the struggles and the small victories. That experience gave him a new perspective on what it means to grow older and helped him approach his parents with more patience and understanding. Julie and Scottie talk about the complexities of caring for aging parents, the importance of being present, and how small acts of compassion can make a big difference. Scottie also shares his approach to staying engaged and purposeful at any stage of life. Scottie Gassner is a personal trainer, life coach, and host of the podcast Just Be with Scottie G. Related Links Scottie Gassner’s website - https://heyjustbe.com/ Top of Mind episode on aging - https://www.byuradio.org/adc3edb5-6e8f-4be9-848f-2fe549704153/top-of-mind-with-julie-rose-hope-or-dread-lets-rethink-our-obsession-with-aging Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers, political commentators and co-hosts of the Pantsuit Politics podcast, reflect on a pivotal moment in their professional partnership during the 2016 presidential election. Holland had worked on Hillary Clinton's campaign and was a big fan of the candidate. Silvers was not. It was a tough one to navigate - and it was right at the beginning of their friendship and podcasting. But instead of fracturing their collaboration, it taught them how to respect their differences and lean into them to make the podcast more interesting for listeners. Today, Holland and Silvers pride themselves on modeling disagreement as they "take a different approach to the news" to help Pantsuit Politics listeners feel more empowered and enga Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers are the hosts of the podcast Pantsuit Politics and co-authors of Now What? How to Move Forward When We Are Divided About Basically Everything. Related Links Pantsuit Politics website – https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/ Pantsuit Politics Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics/ Their book, Now What? How to Move Forward When We Are Divided About Basically Everything. - https://a.co/d/jbGCoas About the Podcast Uncomfy: Sticking With Moments That Challenge Us is a BYUradio podcast all about people leaning in to uncomfortable moments to grow stronger, communicate better, and bridge divides. If you’re seeking practical tools for navigating a polarized world, come join us! Hosted by journalist Julie Rose. Follow us on social media! Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok – https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast/ YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast/ Threads – https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast/

A college research project on Thomas Jefferson, which involved analyzing and defending opposing viewpoints, made Michael Birdyshaw have to face some uncomfortable truths. This experience would shape her teaching methods and her approach to coaching, emphasizing the importance of curiosity, compassion, and critical thinking. Michaela Birdyshaw is a leadership and communication coach and host of the podcast, “And All the Things.” We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Michaela’s Website – https://myjoycoach.com/ Michaela’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/myjoycoach/ More from Michaela - https://linktr.ee/JoyInc Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

When James Coan, a Liberal, decided to attend the Conservative Political Action Committee—one of the biggest conservative gatherings in the U.S.—his apprehension was high. Coan, co-founder and executive director of More Like Us, was on a quest to promote the idea that we are more similar than we think, despite our politically charged environment. But just showing up to the event wouldn't be enough. Coan was determined to face a task he found particularly daunting—engaging with conservative media personalities and pitching the mission of More Like Us. Initial interactions were tense and filled with uncertainty. Coan decided to stick with the discomfort. But would it pay off? We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!       More Like Us Website – www.morelikeus.org Similarity Hub Website – allsides.com/similarity Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

When Becca Obeng was involved in a car accident on a busy Florida freeway, she chose empathy over defensiveness. In response, the other driver opened up in a completely unexpected way, transforming a tense encounter into a moment of connection and an unlikely friendship. Becca Obeng is the creator of Becoming Undaunted, a 100-day challenge where she takes on one uncomfortable task each day to build confidence and embrace growth. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Becoming Undaunted Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/becomingundaunted/ Becoming Undaunted website - https://www.becomingundaunted.com/ Becoming Undaunted Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/becomingundaunted Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/uncomfypodcast.bsky.social X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod

Constance Scharff takes us on a ride from food tours in Turkey to overcoming a personal battle with trauma and addiction. She opens up about the uncomfortable journey that led to discovering the transformative power of somatic therapy and how it helped heal her deep emotional wounds. So, whether it’s feeling out of place while traveling or tackling deep-seated issues, this chat is all about embracing discomfort to grow and heal. Constance Scharff, dubbed the Indiana Jones of mental health research, travels the world learning from indigenous communities and recently spent a year visiting seven countries for her book on everyday bravery. She is also an author and the director of the Human Resilience Project. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links Constance Scharff’s website - https://www.constancescharff.com/ More on the Human Resilience Project - https://youtu.be/p0WbgrPErvo?feature=shared More info on somatic therapy - https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-somatic-therapy-202307072951 Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

While contracting with a nonprofit, Carrie Hill made the choice to stop looking away from the difficult reality of child abuse in her community. Hill, a PR/marketing consultant and co-creator of InPowered, shares her pivotal moment of realization and the importance of educating the public. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Carrie’s company, CHill Consulting Agency - https://chillconsultingagency.my.canva.site/chill-consulting-agency Carrie’s Tik Tok, @stopdivorcedrivenpoverty - https://www.tiktok.com/@stopdivorcedrivenpoverty The Friends, nonprofit supporting the Children’s Justice Center of Salt Lake County - https://www.friendsofcjc.org/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Meet the teams behind Top of Mind and Uncomfy in this special crossover episode, where we share stories of sticking with a challenging perspective while working on the shows. We are exposed to a lot of nuanced viewpoints as we put podcast episodes together, which gives us the perfect opportunity to practice what we preach: choosing to lean into discomfort instead of lashing out or shying away. We’ve found clarity about our own beliefs, empathy for the people around us, and also developed the skills to tackle tough conversations. Tune in to Top of Mind to practice engaging with important, complicated topics. Check out Uncomfy, too, where we’re sharing stories of people choosing to engage in an uncomfortable moment instead of stepping back. And if you’ve had an “Uncomfy” experience lately, share it with us by emailing uncomfy@byu.edu. Guests: Top of Mind producers - Alayna Beck, Caleb Leach, Vanessa Goodman, and James Hoopes. Uncomfy producers - Samuel Benson and Henrique Prado. Related Links: What Does it Mean to Be White in America?: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-what-does-it-mean-to-be-white-in-america The Changing Ways We Decide Who Gets into College and Why it Matters: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-the-changing-way-we-decide-who-gets-into-college-and-why-it-matters Why We’re So Anxious About Retirement in America — And How We Can Fix It: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-why-were-so-anxious-about-retirement-in-america-and-how-we-can-fix-it What Can We Do About America’s Money in Politics Problem?: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-what-can-we-do-about-americas-money-in-politics-probl Spending a Day with People Who Think You Hate Them – Jefferson Shupe: https://www.byuradio.org/e14-spending-a-day-with-people-who-think-you-hate-them-jefferson-shupe

In this special bonus drop, four of our 2024 Uncomfy guests give some advice on how to stick with the discomfort that can come around the holidays. From potentially uncomfortable encounters with relatives to dealing with mental health struggles, we hope this advice helps you to get Uncomfy during this festive season. Featured Guests: Vanessa Otero (Ad Fontes Media), Erik DaRosa (From Survivor to Thriver), David French (The New York Times), and Rich Harwood (The Harwood Institute) Related Links: Vanessa Otero’s Uncomfy episode – https://youtu.be/ms7b-aDHMjk Erik DaRosa’s Uncomfy episode – https://youtu.be/aBTyU2UZeU0 David French’s Uncomfy episode – https://youtu.be/wD7V1_-0w2w Rich Harwood’s Uncomfy episode – https://youtu.be/jCpJ1e2Uwj4 Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/uncomfypodcast.bsky.social Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod

Sharon McMahon—aka "America’s Government Teacher"—is proving that social media doesn’t have to be a battlefield. Instead, it can be a place for learning, connection, and meaningful conversations. By staying curious—even when facing criticism and controversy—she’s built a large, engaged community that thrives on thoughtful discussion. In this episode, Sharon reveals how one small, fact-based video changed the course of her career, leading her to educate millions about government, history, and civic engagement. She opens up about the discomfort of going viral, the resilience it takes to navigate online discourse, and the philosophy that guides her: “Just do the next needed thing.” Whether she’s breaking down political complexities or mobilizing her followers to raise millions for medical debt relief, Sharon demonstrates how stepping into discomfort can lead to meaningful change. A former high school government teacher turned social media educator, Sharon McMahon is the author of The Small and the Mighty, a New York Times bestseller highlighting unsung heroes who shaped American history. She also hosts the popular podcast Here's Where It Gets Interesting, where she brings history to life with engaging storytelling and deep dives into civic topics. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive, you chose to lean into the discomfort? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! And if you enjoyed this episode, you should check out the conversation we had with Kurt Gray a few weeks ago on why we get so angry and what we can do about it - https://youtu.be/Hkzm9iQmAsk Related Links: Sharon McMahon’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sharonsaysso/ Sharon McMahon’s Book, The Small and the Mighty - https://sharonmcmahon.com/book Sharon McMahon’s Podcast, Here’s Where It Gets Interesting - https://sharonmcmahon.com/podcast

Ever had a moment where you were certain you were in the right—only to realize the other person felt just as strongly that they were the real victim? That’s exactly what happened to psychologist Kurt Gray. As a teenager, Gray nearly caused a car accident while driving with his friends. What followed was an explosive confrontation—one fueled by outrage and the deep conviction that each party had been wronged. That heated moment didn’t just shake him—it sparked a career-long fascination with moral psychology. Why do we get so emotionally charged in moments of perceived injustice? And more importantly, how can we break through these cycles of outrage to find common ground? Gray, now a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of North Carolina and author of Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground, explores how our moral instincts shape our reactions—and how understanding them can help us bridge the divides that seem deeper than ever. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged, and instead of getting defensive, you chose to stick with the discomfort? We’d love to hear your story! Send it our way at uncomfy@byu.edu, or reach out on Instagram @uncomfy.podcast. And if this episode got you thinking, share it with a friend—you never know what kind of conversation it might spark! If you enjoyed this episode, you won’t want to miss another Uncomfy conversation where a car accident takes an unexpected turn, leading to an unlikely friendship. - https://youtu.be/zO6bQJ4M23M Related Links Gray’s book, Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground - https://outragedbook.com/ Gray's Website - https://www.kurtjgray.com/ Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threa

Finding herself in a middle seat on a flight home, Jazzalyn Livingston was engaged in a conversation with her seatmate. What started as a casual conversation quickly shifted to topics like gun rights, community and police violence. Despite initial discomfort and assumptions based on political differences, Livingston, who serves as National Program Director for the One America Movement and co-founder of Black Girls Leadership Academy, chose to listen carefully and set her assumptions aside, leading to an unexpected realization of shared values. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: One America Movement – https://www.oneamericamovement.org/ Faith Over Division Tour – https://www.faithoverdivisiontour.org/ Black Girls Leadership Academy - https://www.linkedin.com/company/black-girls-leadership-academy/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

While going to pick up some food in a “Everyone Watches Women’s Sports” t-shirt, Vanessa Otero was approached by a stranger with a loaded question about “men in women’s sports.” The following exchange could have easily turned hostile or dismissive, but Otero chose a different path. Drawing on her experience in discussing polarizing issues, she asked clarifying questions and introduced new ideas to the conversation, hoping to build better understanding. Vanessa Otero is CEO and founder of Ad Fontes Media, known for its Media Bias Chart, which rates news outlets for bias and reliability. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Ad Fontes Media Website - https://adfontesmedia.com/ The Media Bias Chart - https://adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/ Vanessa Otero’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessaotero/ Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/uncomfypodcast.bsky.social X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod

After a heated debate left him questioning his approach, Jefferson Shupe attended an immigration rally, where he expected hostility but found something entirely different: people with fears, hopes, and stories that echoed his own. Shupe, author of The Bathwater Brigade, shares the challenges of confronting his own biases and the surprising empathy that emerged from stepping outside his ideological bubble. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Shupe’s book, The Bathwater Bridge – https://bathwaterbrigade.com/ Top of Mind episode on immigration and America’s labor shortage - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-immigration-and-americas-labor-shortage-are-guestworkers-the-solution Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

How do we navigate life’s unexpected twists? For nationally recognized artist and educator James Rees, the answer lies in embracing discomfort and using creativity as a tool for growth. In this episode, Rees shares how his art explores themes of burdens, resilience, and support—and how one deeply moving moment at an art show changed his perspective on the power of connection and healing. When a woman purchased one of his pieces to honor her sister who died by suicide, Rees saw firsthand how art can give meaning to grief and transform pain into purpose. After 30 years of teaching and serving as a panelist for the National Endowment for the Arts, he reflects on the lessons he’s learned about courage, creativity, and the beauty of embracing uncertainty. Related Links James Rees’ website - https://www.jamesreesart.com James Rees’ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jamesreesart Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast

High school freshman, Malu Estevam, is used to doing well - very well - in school. So, when she struggled in her advanced math class, she panicked. As a first-generation immigrant, she hoped to make her parents proud and make their sacrifices worth it. But one friend’s determination and example ultimately helped her to see that intelligence and success aren’t just about grades. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Top of Mind episode on teen mental health - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-teen-mental-health-in-america-is-getting-worse-what-can-we-do Top of Mind episode on how we decide who gets into college - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-the-changing-way-we-decide-who-gets-into-college-and-why-it-matters Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

What's the point of contacting lawmakers and advocating for policies if people in power don't seem to be listening? Jennifer Walker Thomas knows that feeling all too well. In this episode, Jennifer, who co-leads a nonpartisan group advocating for ethical government, shares how leaning into discomfort and choosing to act anyway has helped her and thousands of others find their voices in advocacy, navigate tough political conversations, and create meaningful change—without abandoning kindness. From drafting op-eds to sitting down with legislators, she explains why the most effective advocates aren’t the loudest but the most persistent. Jennifer Walker Thomas is the co-executive director of MWEG, a nonpartisan, faith-based community of women that advocates for ethical government, and co-host of the Proclaim Peace podcast. Related Links MWEG website – https://www.mweg.org/ The Proclaim Peace podcast - https://www.mormonwomenforethicalgovernment.org/proclaim-peace MWEG Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mormonweg/ Top of Mind episode on activism - https://www.byuradio.org/2cd9f87f-8ec0-44bc-b750-3d80775728d2/top-of-mind-with-julie-rose-does-activism-work-being-a-social-activist-in-todays-world Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Are you tired of not knowing who to trust in the news? In this episode of Uncomfy, journalist and Mo News founder Mosheh Oinounou opens up about why he walked away from a successful career in traditional news media—and what it takes to build trust in today’s broken media landscape. Mosheh shares some of the shortcomings of traditional media, the origin of Mo News during the pandemic, his reasons for now picking a side, and ways we can all stay informed without getting overwhelmed. What does it really mean to be non-partisan? Is it possible to fight the algorithm and still grow an audience? And how do we stay curious when the news makes us want to shut down? Connect with Mosheh Oinounou and Mo News: Instagram: https://instagram.com/mosheh Podcast: https://www.mo.news/podcast Website: https://mo.news More from Julie Rose: Podcast: Top of Mind with Julie Rose – Narrative deep dives into tough topics. Available on all major podcast apps. https://lnkfi.re/TopofMind Join the Conversation: What’s your most trusted news source? How do you break out of your media bubble? Let us know in the comments, on social media, or email uncomfy@byu.edu. Follow/subscribe to make sure you catch next week’s conversation. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 01:09 Meet Mosheh Oinounou: From Traditional News to Social Media 04:08 The Evolution of News Consumption 10:18 Balancing Bias and Fair Reporting 15:58 Advice for Informed Citizenship 20:30 Conclusion and Additional Resources

As a columnist for the New York Times, David French is used to public criticism. And he's used to sometimes getting things wrong, too. “At 55, I want to be a better person than I was when I was 35 or 25 or 15. So, if we're actually growing as human beings, we should be able to point back to multiple things that we concretely got wrong.” French shares the story of changing his mind on a hot button issue and telling the world about it in an article titled, “Why I Changed the Way I Write about Police Shootings.” He also offers insights on how to navigate the shame and embarrassment that can come when you have to admit you’re wrong. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: David French’s New York Times profile - https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french David French’s book, Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation - https://www.amazon.com/Divided-We-Fall-Americas-Secession/dp/1250201977 David French’s September 2024 speech he gave at BYU - https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/david-french/why-america-went-crazy-and-how-you-can-stay-sane/ David French’s article on why he changed the way he writes about police shootings - https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/police-shootings-david-french-changed-writing/ Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/uncomfypodcast.bsky.social X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod

After having had hundreds of conversations with people across the political aisle, one persistent conversation partner would test David Kaufman’s resolve to stick with it. David Kaufman is a Conservative political commentator from South Carolina who has participated in more Braver Angels Red/Blue one-on-one conversations than anyone else. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!       Related Links:    Braver Angels 1:1 Conversations: https://braverangels.org/online/1-1-conversations/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Preston Brightwell and Madeleine Jones, Field Directors at The Dignity Index, found themselves in a heated discussion over the use of a single word in their project's tagline—"patriotism." Preston, a conservative, and Madeleine, a liberal, discuss how their differing views on the term led to a moment of tension, assumptions, and eye-rolling that threatened to derail their project entirely. Hear them discuss how this disagreement ultimately became an opportunity to practice what they preach about dignity and curiosity. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it! The Dignity Index website – https://www.dignityindex.us/ Students For Dignity Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/studentsfordignity/ Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind - https://www.byuradio.org/topofmind Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

As a young child in Iran, Shima Baughman—criminal law professor and author of The Bail Book—was taught to hate Israel and Jews. She largely left those beliefs behind when she immigrated to the United States with her family. But after graduating from law school, Shima chose to tackle any lingering prejudice she still held by taking on the case of a Hasidic Jewish inmate's right to have a place to pray in prison. Shima shares how the experience taught her to search for the humanity in everyone she meets. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!    Shima’s book, The Bail Book: a Comprehensive Look at Bail and America’s Criminal Justice System https://www.amazon.com/Bail-Book-Comprehensive-Americas-Criminal/dp/1107131367 Shima’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@closertojesuschrist Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Hélène Biandudi Hofer shares a story about navigating an awkward meeting where a client tried to sideline her in favor of her business partner, Amanda Ripley. She teaches us how storytelling, staying curious, and asking the right questions can help us turn conflict into a good thing. From a young age, Hofer learned the value of storytelling from her great-grandmother and father. In 2018, after a successful career in broadcast journalism, she took a leap and partnered with Ripley to create Good Conflict, which helps people and organizations embrace conflict as a tool for growth. Hélène Biandudi Hofer is a conflict navigator, storyteller, and co-founder of Good Conflict. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links Good Conflict website - https://www.thegoodconflict.com/ Good Conflict Master Class - https://www.thegoodconflict.com/master-class Good Conflict Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thegoodconflict/ Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

After a series of mistakes on the field led to an embarrassing loss for the middle school boys’ soccer team he coaches, Shawn Tucker found himself wrestling with feelings of shame, self-blame, and the temptation to deflect his discomfort onto others. Rather than giving in to anger or excuses, Shawn chose to sit with his feelings of embarrassment, using the moment to learn and reassess his priorities. Shawn Tucker is a professor of Humanities at Elon University and author of several books, including Humility: An Approach. He listened to Uncomfy and reached out to us to share his story—and you can, too! Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Shawn Tucker’s book, Humility: A Practical Approach - https://www.amazon.com/Humility-Practical-Approach-Shawn-Tucker/dp/1948218453 Shawn Tucker Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/shawnlocotucker/ Top of Mind episode on Humor - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-funny-or-offensive-why-its-so-hard-to-draw-the-line-in-humor Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Parker Kane—beatboxer and motivational speaker—was facing a deep mental health crisis in college. He wanted to be a professional musician but couldn’t seem to find success. Parker slipped into a deep depression. Then, at his lowest point, he got a call from a friend inviting him out for a late-night run to McDonald’s. Parker didn’t feel up to it and almost said “no.” But that night at McDonald’s led to an experience that changed his life and jumpstarted his career. In this episode Parker talks about navigating mental health struggles, the importance of staying open to unexpected opportunities, and how he uses his story has inspire and motivate others. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!    Parker’s website - parkerkane.co Parker’s podcast, UpBeat with Parker Kane - https://www.parkerkane.co/podcast National Suicide and Crisis Hotline - Dial 988 Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind   Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

At a conference on race, Christine Saxman, a White woman, faced a tough moment when another attendee, who was Black, questioned her intentions and efforts. How did she respond? Saxman, who co-authored Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Anti-racist Life, shares how this conversation sparked deeper self-awareness and shaped her path as a racial justice and equity advocate. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Christine’s Website – https://christinesaxman.com/ Christine’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-saxman/ Christine's Book, Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Antiracist Life - https://www.amazon.com/Being-White-Today-Positive-Antiracist/dp/1475870558 Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

What if the stories we’re told about each other aren’t true? Therapist Traci Ruble doesn’t buy what the media tells her about people—so she took to the streets to find out for herself. She and a group of volunteers set up Sidewalk Talk, an experiment in radical listening: sitting in public spaces with a sign that says Free Listening and inviting strangers to share whatever’s on their minds. It’s raw, awkward, sometimes heartbreaking—but also unexpectedly hilarious and deeply human. In this episode, Traci shares what she’s learned from thousands of sidewalk conversations—how deep listening challenges assumptions, reveals the goodness in people, and even rewires the way we see the world. Related Links Sidewalk Talk website - https://www.sidewalk-talk.org/ Sidewalk Talk bus tour - https://www.sidewalk-talk.org/2025-listening-bus-tour Sidewalk Talk the Podcast - https://www.sidewalk-talk.org/podcast Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction to Uncomfy 00:45 Meet Traci Ruble and Sidewalk Talk 01:17 The Birth of Sidewalk Talk 02:27 First Experiences and Challenges 03:32 The Power of Listening 05:07 Memorable Stories from the Sidewalk 08:09 The Importance of Human Connection 10:25 Becoming a Sidewalk Talk Listener 15:05 Expanding Sidewalk Talk 17:57 How to Get Involved 18:30 Conclusion and Additional Resources

What keeps someone going when justice feels out of reach? Historian and bestselling author Jemar Tisby joins us to talk about the spirit of justice—that relentless, unshakable force that calls people to resist injustice, even when the road is long and exhausting. He shares the powerful experience of Myrlie Evers-Williams, a civil rights leader who never stopped pushing for accountability, even when her husband’s killer walked free for 30 years. We also explore the courage of Sister Thea Bowman, a Black Catholic nun who refused to shrink herself in spaces that weren’t built for her. For Jemar, the fight for justice isn’t just history—it’s alive in all of us today. But staying committed to that fight often means stepping into discomfort. He opens up about his own journey of faith, race, and resistance. Related Links Jemar Tisby’s new book, The Spirit of Justice: True Stories of Faith, Race, and Resistance – https://jemartisby.com/the-spirit-of-justice/ Jemar Tisby’s new children’s book, I Am the Spirit of Justice - https://www.zonderkidz.com/book/9780310145561/i-am-the-spirit-of-justice/ Jemar Tisby’s website - https://jemartisby.com/ Top of Mind episode on teaching kids about race - https://www.byutv.org/0c936fc0-94c9-428b-b147-b587ee5411e8/top-of-mind-with-julie-rose-common-ground-in-the-debate-over-teaching-kids-about-race-in-school Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Lisa Valentine Clark—comedian and host of The Lisa Show—had the perfect gift planned for her friend's 40th birthday. But she couldn't have been farther from the truth. The result was some difficult feedback on their friendship. Lisa shares how she stuck with the discomfort in that moment and what she did ten years later to make up for it. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it! Lisa’s podcast, The Lisa Show - https://www.byuradio.org/the-lisa-show Lisa’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/yourfunnyvalentine/ Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Despite a successful career on Wall Street, Erik DaRosa lived with severe anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and PTSD. After suffering a dissociative episode, DaRosa made the life-changing decision to seek help, and it wasn’t until he sat across from a therapist for the first time that he began to finally share everything he’d been keeping inside. DaRosa shares how breaking his silence not only led to his healing but also empowered him to help others find their voices. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!           From Survivor to Thriver Website – www.fromsurvivortothriver.com U-MOST - https://u-most.com/ Erik’s Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/skisherpa/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

What if a little financial discomfort today could buy you freedom tomorrow? Host Julie Rose talks with Shang Saavedra—founder of Save My Cents and author of Wealth is a Mindset—about how extreme frugality, mindset shifts, and some seriously uncomfortable choices helped her reach financial independence by age 31. Whether you're buried in money stress or just looking for more freedom, this episode is for you. Learn more: https://savemycents.com/ Wealth is a Mindset, available now: https://savemycents.com/book/ Follow Shang: https://www.instagram.com/savemycents/ Share your Uncomfy story: uncomfy@byu.edu Uncomfy is a BYUradio podcast hosted by Julie Rose. Also check out our sister show, Top of Mind with Julie Rose - https://lnkfi.re/TopofMind CHAPTERS: 00:00 Introduction: 00:47 Meet Shang Saavedra: Financial Freedom Journey 01:04 Early Financial Struggles and Realizations 02:53 Extreme Frugality: Living on One Income 05:26 Challenges and Mishaps of Frugal Living 12:29 Shang's Turning Point: Toxic Work Environment 13:27 Achieving Financial Independence 14:39 Shang's Message: Financial Security for All 18:13 Faith and Wealth: A Christian Perspective 19:32 Final Thoughts and Resources

Kaitlyn Schiess (Curiously Kaitlyn, The Holy Post) opens up about a pivotal conversation with someone at her church that reshaped how she approaches the tricky intersection of politics and faith. She dives into the power of asking meaningful questions to get at the heart of others—even when beliefs feel under attack. Sharing stories from her own journey of teaching kids in church, wrestling with tough theological questions, and navigating heated debates about the Bible and American politics, Schiess reminds us how curiosity and a steady heart can pave the way for deeper connections and insights. Kaitlyn Schiess is a theologian, podcast host, and author of The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go From Here. She is currently pursuing a PhD in political theology at Duke Divinity School. Another Holy Post podcast regular, David French, was also on Uncomfy recently talking about being willing to admit you’re wrong. Check it out here - https://youtu.be/wD7V1_-0w2w Related Links Kaitlyn’s Website – https://kaitlynschiess.com/ Kaitlyn’s book, The Ballot and the Bible – https://kaitlynschiess.com/the-ballot-and-the-bible Kaitlyn’s podcasts - https://kaitlynschiess.com/podcasts Follow us on social media! Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok – https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast/ Threads – https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast/

Tired and ready to be off her late-night flight, Piper Hendricks, founder of Stories Change Power, was caught off guard when her seatmate initiated an uncomfortable conversation, dismissing her deeply personal practice of writing letters to herself. As the discussion veered towards controversial topics, including political and social issues, Hendricks chose to engage with curiosity rather than defensiveness. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it! Related Links: Stories Change Power Website – www.storieschangepower.com Stories Change Power LinkedIn – www.linkedin.com/company/stories-change-power/ Piper’s LinkedIn – www.linkedin.com/in/piperhendricks/ Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/    Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/    Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast    YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast    X -  https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Real stories from guests who dared to get uncomfortable in a moment that challenged their worldview. In the thick of intense emotions, they chose to stay curious and open, rather than lash out or shy away, and came out the other side with stronger relationships, clearer beliefs, and increased confidence. And you can do it too! If you want to engage with others on important topics but aren’t sure how, or are burned out on social media and wish you could bring the humanity back into discussions online or in real life, look no further! Whether you're a seasoned seeker of new ideas or just dipping your toes into the Uncomfy waters, this podcast is your go-to destination for learning how to improve your communication, disagree more productively, and be a more inspired leader. In such a polarized world, we believe learning how to stick with moments that challenge us, without getting defensive or shutting down, is a direct antidote for division. Are you ready to lean in, listen up, and get Uncomfy with us? Let's dive in together! The new podcast launches July 10th with new episodes every Wednesday on your podcast platform of choice. Make sure to follow or subscribe so that you never miss an episode. Uncomfy: Sticking with Moments that Challenge Us is hosted by journalist Julie Rose and is a BYUradio production. #reallifestories #communication #polarization #relationshipskills #communicationskills #leadershipskills #leadershiptraining #community #communitybuilding #disagreebetter #buildingbridges #perspectives #worldview #resilience #emotionalresiliance #mentalhealth #training #mindfulness #conflictresolution #growthmindset #empowerment #problemsolving #respect #curiosity #activelistening #collaboration

Ali Muldrow and Bria Halama have nearly opposite views on abortion. But they signed up to sit with 12 other strangers looking for common ground. The four-day workshop was organized by Citizen Solutions in Wisconsin and resulted in five policy recommendations the whole group could agree on. It also turned Ali and Bria into friends. They found that listening, being vulnerable, and recognizing others’ humanity were transformative in these polarized discussions. Ali Muldrow is the executive director of the abortion access nonprofit WMF Wisconsin. Bria Halama is a Catholic mental health counselor. Builders is a nonprofit equipping citizens globally to overcome toxic polarization to solve our toughest problems together. Citizen Solutions is a program of Builders that empowers ideologically diverse Americans to co-create state-level solutions to politicized issues suffering from hyper-partisan gridlock. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Citizen Solutions website – https://www.citizensolutions.us Builders website - https://buildersmovement.org/ More on the Abortion & Family Well-Being solutions session - https://citizensolutions.us/citizensolutions/wi/issue/5 Top of Mind episode on the Abortion Talks - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-how-to-talk-about-abortion Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/uncomfypodcast.bsky.social Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod