Trek Wars (Trek Wars Podcast)

Two pilots for two juggernauts of science fiction franchises. This week, Aspen and Kenny grapple with what both franchises manage to say on their first outings. They talk about their own relationships to both Star Wars and Star Trek.

They also struggle with trying to watch these episodes without the context of 50+ years of franchise around it. And we also establish the ranking system. It's pretty great, you should listen if you want.

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Star Wars
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The Man Trap
https://bit.ly/tw-the-man-trap

It's a real nail-biter this week. Aspen watches the Star Wars Holiday Special for the first time. Kenny attempts to contextualize the Holiday Special in the time it was made and explains just how bonkers this thing is.

Aspen and Kenny also talk about how great Charlie X is, how great D.C. Fontana is, and contextualize this episode with the rise of teenagers in popular culture. If you're looking for deep dives on themes in big sci-fi, this one is it, baby!

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The Star Wars Holiday Special
https://bit.ly/tw-sw-holiday-special

Charlie X
https://bit.ly/tw-charlie-x

PATREON BONUS!

This week, we're talking about just how potent Andor is. We talk about the complicated nature of consuming this beautiful piece of anti-fascist art that is coming from a company that applies...kind of fascist methods. We also talk about Diego Luna being a little cutie, and just get up to shenanigans.

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Andor on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-andor

This week, our two episodes fit up unusually well. Aspen talks about the difference of agency that women have in Star Wars vs. Star Trek. Kenny talks about how much of a dork Kirk is in this episode. And we both wrestle with the fundamental emotions vs. philosophy approach in Star Trek and Star Wars.

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Return of the Jedi
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The Naked Time
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This week! We touch upon found family and emotions in both properties. Kenny makes Aspen talk about the famous golden Leia bikini. Aspen masterfully talks about what makes Return of the Jedi special. We talk about which Trek characters we would drag. And Kenny goes at length about the masterful direction of The Naked Time and Spock in general.

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Return of the Jedi
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Where No Man Has Gone Before
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PATREON BONUS!

Aspen's caught up on Star Trek Prodigy (through episode 10)! She talks about Prodigy and its aspects of found family. She also puts a perfect point on why Janeway is the perfect mentor figure of this show. Aspen also takes a hot stance on souls. Yeah...souls. Kenny likes the Protostar.

We also touch on Andor episode 9 and a brief discussion on media that transcends itself, like Everything Everywhere All At Once.

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Star Trek Prodigy
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Andor on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-andor

This week, we take a ride on the Caravan! Of Courage! We talk around the drama of our format. We praise Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure for being self-contained. Kenny raises a prickly question to Aspen about Star Trek. Aspen successfully turns Kenny around on the very twerpy Mace. And a huuuuuuge rating controversy rocks the podcast...FOREVER!

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The Enemy Within | Star Trek: The Original Series
https://bit.ly/tw-the-enemy-within

Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-ewok-adventure

Aspen finished DS9 for the first time, so we have a big honkin' dissection of her experience!

It's the one you've been waiting for: we start talking DROIDS!

We go hard by talking about economic systems within both Star Trek and Star Wars. Aspen talks about the queer coding of Mudd while also absolutely loathing the politics of Mudd's Women. Kenny talks about if Jord is an offensive stereotype of overweight sidekicks.

We both talk about being so horny, you are literally sweating. And finally, we try very, very hard to remember what the plot of "The White Witch" is, even though we read the plot synopsis at the beginning.

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Mudd's Women | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
https://bit.ly/tw-mudds-women

The White Witch | Droids on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-droids-white-witch

Our final free feed Patreon episode!

This week, we wrap up conversation on Andor S1. We talk about co-opting aesthetics to boost your prestige. We touch upon Episodes 13 and 14 of Star Trek: Prodigy, comparisons to Star Wars, and more.

We also answer listener messages! And Kenny goes OFF.

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Star Trek Prodigy
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Andor on Disney+
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We celebrate Kenny's birthday the best way possible: by watching Star Trek and Star Wars! We begin our journey into Ewoks. We also talk about how we engage with artificial intelligence (considering this week's episode of Star Trek does just that).

Aspen talks about our relationship to AI and how it has evolved since the 1960s. Kenny talks about the deregulation of children's TV shows and how close Ewoks was to Care Bears. And we both struggle with watching Ewoks for the first time.


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What Are Little Girls Made Of? | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
https://bit.ly/tw-what-are-little-girls

Cries of the Trees | Ewoks on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-ewoks-cries-of-the-trees

We talk about the possible thematic reasons of why Miri would be set in a parallel Earth circa 1960s, considering it plays almost no role in the episode. Aspen talks about how Jord looks like Dan Aykroyd. Kenny talks about the wonders of Michael J. Pollard.

And we both talk about the GENERATIONAL TRAUMA that runs in both Miri and Escape Into Terror.

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Miri | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
https://bit.ly/tw-miri

Escape Into Teror | Droids on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-droids-escape-into-terror

This week! It's Dagger of the Mind (Star Trek: The Original Series) versus The Haunted Village (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Of course, we start off with a discussion about Bo Burnham's Inside. Aspen talks about the prison industrial complex in Dagger of the Mind. Kenny talks how the Ewoks are being so punitive to the Duloks. And we also talk at length about Leonard Nimoy's fingers.

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Dagger of the Mind | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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The Haunted Village | Ewoks on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-ewoks-haunted-village

This week! The Corbomite Maneuver (Star Trek: The Original Series) versus The Trigon Unleashed (Star Wars: Droids)

We're still amazed that Droids is serialized as the Trigon is unleashed. We also talk about some Andor up at the top. Kenny loves Corbomite Maneuver because it's about schmos. Aspen talks about both properties and how they use bluffing.

It's a real barn burner this week!

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The Corbomite Maneuver | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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The Trigon Unleashed | Star Wars: Droids on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-droids-trigon-unleashed

This week! The Menagerie (Star Trek: The Original Series) versus Rampage of the Phlogs (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen feels genuine horror at the giant baby Phlog. But it's okay because we balance it with CAPTAIN PIKE. Kenny talks about the differences between Captains Kirk and Pike and where this episode sits in Star Trek lore. We also talk about the odd gender politics of Rampage of the Phlogs.

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The Menagerie | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
https://bit.ly/tw-menagerie-1

Rampage of the Phlogs | Star Wars: Ewoks on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-ewoks-rampage-of-the-phlogs

This week! The Menagerie Part II (Star Trek: The Original Series) versus A Race to the Finish (Star Wars: Droids)

We start our ep with answering some listener questions. We also spoil the endings of these episodes very quickly. Aspen is taken with Susan Oliver as Vina. Kenny talks on how both of these franchises fill in their past. And we talk about romantic analogues between Pike/Number One with Kirk/Spock and R2/3PO.

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The Menagerie Part II | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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A Race to the Finish | Star Wars: Droids on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-droids-race-to-the-finish

This week! We're talking Star Wars: The Bad Batch S2E1 + S2E2

Aspen explains what The Bad Batch is to Kenny (who hasn't finished a single episode). Kenny wonders why there are so many "good clones" with malfunctioning chips in their heads.

We also board the Dave Bautista train (choo-choo!), Kenny talks Marie Kondo, and we try too hard to pronounce "Kaminoans."

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The Conscience of the King (Trek: TOS) vs. To Save Deej (Wars: Ewoks)

We talk about Space Daddies™!

We also talk how both episodes involve fungus that kills people. Kenny talks about fathers in Star Trek. Aspen talks about her time as an aggressive milk drinker. And we investigate the Karidian/Kodos "Great Man" complex.
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The Conscience of the King | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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To Save Deej | Star Wars: Ewoks on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-ewoks-to-save-deej

Balance of Terror (Trek: TOS) vs. The Lost Prince (Wars: Droids)

This week! We talk about what the template is for a Star Trek episode. Kenny talks about essentialism in art and filmmaking. Aspen talks about tropes and how to use them. We also marvel at Uncle Gundy and a real prospector being in this week's episode of Droids.

We also answer listener questions!

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Balance of Terror | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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The Lost Prince | Star Wars: Droids on Disney+
https://bit.ly/tw-droids-the-lost-prince

Shore Leave (Trek: TOS) vs. The Traveling Jindas (Wars: Ewoks)

This week's theme – HAVIN' FUN! We discuss the problems of narratives in Western society, of course. But we also talk about shenanigans. We compare the work/play dynamics in both Star Wars and Star Trek. We also dissect the notion that a utopian society would necessitate work at all.

Also, Finnegan. And a traveling magic show in a universe that has The Force.

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Shore Leave | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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The Traveling Jindas | Star Wars: Droids on Disney+
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The Galileo Seven (Trek: TOS) vs. The New King (Wars: Droids)

Our first guest(!), Heidi Rogers, looooves Star Wars and Star Trek. Heidi and Aspen talk about their loooove of the prequels. We also talk about the disconnect between animation and live action. Aspen explains the timeline of Droids. We also talk about probable Orientalism of the bad guys in this episode of Droids.
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Durkii - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Durkii

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The Galileo Seven | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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The New King | Star Wars: Droids on Disney+
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The Squire of Gothos (Trek: TOS) vs. The Tree of Light (Wars: Ewoks)

We start off with bread talk (specifically, The Force Awakens). Aspen fights her nap brain and debates on if the word "foppish" is offensive. We also ponder on if Star Wars is more omnipresent in culture, debate the merits of movies vs. TV, and Aspen stans for deserts.

Aspen also talks about the connecting themes of strength and power without purpose, along with how those who exert power over others pointlessly are viewed as children.

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The Squire of Gothos | Star Trek: The Original Series on Paramount+
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The Tree of Light | Star Wars: Ewoks on Disney+
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Arena (Trek: TOS) vs. The Pirates of Tarnoonga (Wars: Droids)

We shout out our first bird listener!

We also reveal a real, actual conspiracy theory about The Force Awakens lifting liberally from...Droids? Kenny also makes the argument that Star Wars is cooler because there's less sex. He also posits that Arena is about "Both-sides-ism." Aspen talks about cultural absolutism vs. cultural relativism. And Kenny is afraid of tiny lizards because they'll tickle him.


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Tomorrow is Yesterday (Trek: TOS) vs. The Curse of the Jindas (Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen talks about Even Stevens and how much she loves time travel. Kenny talks about the amazing D.C. Fontana and her relationship to Star Trek. We also talk about how the Jindas operate as Serfs under the rule of the Rock Wizard. Also, Tranformers talk and ASMR.

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Court Martial (Trek: TOS) vs. The Revenge of Kybo Ren (Wars: Droids)

Aspen ponders the most important question: Can we get Elijah Wood on the podcast? We talk about which is more important to pop culture – Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. Aspen talks about the greatness of Cree Summer. Kenny talks about the "fall of a great man" trope. And we chat about the push pull of realistic political fiction versus aspirational fiction.

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This week, we only talk Mando. The new season, the old season, and everything in between.

For more Mandalorian S3 E1 talk, listen to our guest spot on The Holdo Maneuver!
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The Return of the Archons (Trek: TOS) vs. The Land of the Gupins (Wars: Ewoks)

We have two episodes that talk about prophecies, religion, and the death of diversity! Kenny talks about the possible influences that Tolkien had on Ewoks. Aspen talks about the effectiveness of propaganda (specifically, through Top Gun: Maverick).

And we chat a LOT about AI art because Kirk talks a computer to death.
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We break format and we compare these two seismic, but disappointing films. Kenny compares Roddenberry and Lucas, talking about the odd parallel development of these films. Meanwhile, Aspen looooves podracing and struggles to get through V'Ger.

Who wins? You do! Buckle in for a barnburner of an episode.


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Battlestar Galactica Miniseries (2003) vs. Stargate (1994)
Content Warning: Gun Violence, Violence and Children

Joel T. Partner ushers in the next phase of the podcast. We discuss how Rahm Emanuel plays a shell game with his pacing. Aspen teases out the subtleties of Jack O’Neil’s backstory. Kenny asks the most critical question: Are 5th Avenue bars delicious? Aspen remembers to never forget. Joel mixes up IEDs and IDEs. Kenny spins a yarn about the legend known as Ronald D. Moore. Joel finds religion. Kenny’s into noodles, and Aspen’s into gimbals.

The podcast finally has games!

Next time, prepare yourself for Miami Vice (Pilot Ep: “Brother’s Keeper”) (1984) and 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)!

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A LOT of Star Wars news happened and a little Star Trek news happened. So Aspen walks Kenny through all of the things he should be excited about. Aspen provides a palette setter for the Ahsoka TV show, walks him through casting news, and Kenny attempts to deliver some Star Trek news as well!

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For the beginner in all of us! Aspen and Kenny give suggestions on where to start that's quick and easy. And, if you like that, we give you intermediate and expert suggestions also.

Aspen also talks about the first Mission: Impossible movie. And we also talk about why setpieces work. It's all the stuff about Trek Wars you like!

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Khaaaaaaan!

We're back on format. Aspen walks us through her journey with the Mission: Impossible franchise so far. Kenny breaks down the etymology of the Tessellated Arboreal Binjinphant. We talk about Khan at GREAT length and how Space Seed holds up today.

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The folks at Holdo Maneuver had Aspen and guest Kevin Coll on to talk Star Wars Celebration. And, more importantly...AHSOKA!

Go support our friends at Holdo Maneuver by subscribing:
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A Taste of Armageddon (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Sunstar vs. Shadowstone (Star Wars: Ewoks)
Aspen and I talk about MORALISM IN ART! Also, Logray the Shaman is a stone cold BAMF, which makes Kenny drag out one of his soapboxes. And Aspen waxes rhapsodic about what the heck makes a civilization. I think we solved it all this time, folks.

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This Side of Paradise (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Tail of the Roon Comets (Star Wars: Droids)

Aspen struggles with the notion of struggling in This Side of Paradise. Kenny talks about what makes something FEEL like Star Wars. And both our hosts love this episode of Droids.

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The Devil in the Dark (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Wicket's Wagon (Star Wars: Ewoks)

This week, we may have gone too far. Kenny draws out the parallels of industrialization wrecking both the Horta and Endor. Aspen talks how both eps main characters hold true to their values.

Also, Chief Chirrpa is a Mussolini analog.

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Errand of Mercy (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Roon Games (Star Wars: Droids)

This week, we have two episodes about PROXY WARS. Aspen attempts to come for Kenny's job as a researcher. Kenny talks about the...hem...INTERESTING politics of the Klingons and the Organians. And Aspen explains the drainsweeper game.

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The Alternative Factor (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Three Lessons (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Kenny goes deep into the making of The Alternative Factor. Aspen points out basic themes to Kenny about The Three Lessons. And we somehow manage to talk about what both episodes mean to the viewpoints of the properties.

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The City on the Edge of Forever (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Across the Roon Sea (Star Wars: Droids)

Aspen and Kenny talk about the difficulty of writing Edith Keeler. Aspen expands on the lovely trope of found family in both Trek and Wars this week. Kenny talks about Kirk finally finding peace, then having to give it up. And we talk about the truly affecting scene of Old Ogger in Droids.

We also debut our new character, Millennial Walter Cronkite.

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Operation: Annihilate! (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Blue Harvest (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen and Kenny go off on toxic heteronormativity. Also, there are flying space raviolis.

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Amok Time (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (Star Wars)

We start S2 of Star Trek TOS in style - with our friend Marc Vibbert and Michael Sawran from The Holdo Maneuver Podcast. This epic episode digs deep into guests' relationships with both Star Wars and Star Trek.

Mike and Mark also suffer through Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. Kenny and Aspen talk about Vulcan culture and its synthesizing of "alien" cultures to Western society. We also get into the making of Ewoks: The Battle for Endor and the Wilford Brimley of it all.

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Who Mourns for Adonais? (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Frozen Citadel (Star Wars: Droids)

Kenny reveals how old Auren Yomm is. Aspen reacts appropriately.

Aspen god-splains to us by pointing out all the inconsistencies of this week's Star Trek. Kenny also digs into the humanism of Roddenberry and how that fits in to an episode about a literal god. And these episodes have weirdly common themes, which we're tickled by.


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PALETTE CLEANSER!

Aspen & Kenny talk about a film with a protagonist reckoning with its legacy, having to see their own flaws and recognize that they accidentally enabled a fascistic entity that could lead to the end of everything.

But enough about Barbie.

Also, Kenny talks about Trolls Band Together.

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The wonderful (dad joke telling) Holdo Manuever boys asked Aspen to guest for their Ahsoka recap episode this week! In preparation for the new Ahsoka series, they explore who Ahsoka was, who she became, what she will be, and why Aspen loves her so gosh-dang much. Truly, Aspen loses their mind.

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Aspen LOVES Dave Filoni's Ahsoka show. Kenny thinks it is so bad, it's offensive. Together, they both have an existential crisis. Listen to them break apart in this follow-up to our Holdo Maneuver appearance.

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This week Mike and Marc are joined by returning guests from Trek Wars, Aspen Webster⁠, and Kenny Madison to recap the first two episodes for the series premiere of the Disney+ Original Series ⁠AHSOKA⁠!

Part 1: "Master and Apprentice"
Part 2: "Toil and Trouble" (Livestreaming on August 24th, 2023)

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The Changeling (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Asha (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen loves The Changeling more than 2001.

Also, Aspen and Kenny think that Asha is a GREAT episode of TV. Kenny marvels at the design of Nomad. Aspen points out ThAt OnE sHoT in The Changeling that creates all of the tension.

And we talk about how both episodes happen to be about lost outsiders returning home.PATREON BONUS: Aspen LOVES the movie Bottoms. Kenny hasn't seen it, but he has started reading Splinter of the Mind's Eye. We also talk improv beef.





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Mirror, Mirror (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Great Heep (Star Wars: Droids)

We've finished Droids!

Aspen thinks The Great Heep (the episode and the character) is deeply terrifying. We dive deep into the unusually gendered KT-10 astromech droid. We also dive deep into the gender politics of Mirror, Mirror and the contradiction that is Star Trek. Kenny also talks about the I.S.S. Enterprise and how cool it is.

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Kirk Drift by Erin Horáková
http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/

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The Apple (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Crystal Cloak/The Wish Plant (Star Wars: Droids)

Ewoks re-pilots itself for S2! And Star Trek reheats a whole bunch of old episodes into a casserole of an episode.

Aspen gets grossed out at this episode's preoccupation with The Apple wanting all the followers of Vaal to have sex. Kenny contextualizes how NBC could let a Soviet onboard the Enterprise. And we talk about 1960s sex appeal and the female vs. male gaze.

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The Doomsday Machine (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Home is Where the Shrieks Are/Princess Latara (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Three episodes about being consumed by ego!

Aspen goes on the record about child brides. We talk about muddled themes in Doomsday Machine. Kenny talks about the Shatner/Nimoy relationship. Also, we talk about Larry.
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Catspaw (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Raich (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Two Halloween episodes. Don't know how it happened, but both episodes are Halloween episodes. And we recorded this in October.

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I, Mudd (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Totem Master/A Gift for Shodu (Star Wars: Ewoks)

We are delighted by both episodes. But Aspen has an existential breakdown that causes us to spiral and talk about Mando-verse and NüTrek.

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Metamorphosis (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Night of the Stranger (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Surprise! Aspen likes scary things. Which is one of the big reasons she loves Night of the Spirit. She correctly identifies Ewoks as the Goonies of Star Wars. Meanwhile, Kenny leads the charge on the muddled themes of Star Trek this week.

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Journey to Babel (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Gone With The Mimphs / The First Apprentice (Star Wars: Ewoks)

The word "iconic" gets thrown liberally. We talk about Linda Woolverton and D.C. Fontana. Kenny talks about Spock as a reflection of post-WWII masculinity. Aspen talks about how amazing the Mimphs are. And we get silly.

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Friday's Child (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Hard Sell/A Warrior and a Lurdo (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Three mid episodes. Aspen talks about cultural relativism versus cultural absolutism. Kenny talks about a writerly POV becoming diminished. And we both struggle to talk about this week's episode of Ewoks.

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It's a competition of second chapters with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan VERSUS Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back!

Kenny and Aspen are joined by noted Ron Howard lookalike (and good friend) Ryan Hill to discuss his personal experiences watching these two films in the theater when they premiered. We also explore questions like: Do Jedis really embrace Buddhist philosophy? How can stories help us deal with the uncertainty of the world? And why the heck does Ryan like Rise of Skywalker?

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The Deadly Years (Star Trek: TOS) vs. The Season Scepter (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen & Kenny talk about age-ism and how Deadly Years sabotages its own heroes. Kenny mentions the superb sequel to Deadly Years, To Serve All My Days. Aspen talks about discussions of apathy being "cool" and emotion as "feminine". So, y'know...a normal episode!

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Obsession (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Prow Beaten/Baga's Rival (Star Wars: Ewoks)

This week, both shows tackle shame. Kenny talks about plot motivation versus character motivation. Aspen talks about a lack of consequences for characters. And did you know that Obsession is a ReTeLLInG oF mObY dIcK?!!?

Also, Kenny keeps updating the sound board.

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Wolf in the Fold (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Horville's Hut of Horrors/The Tragic Flute (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Fear! Fear will keep the podcast in line. Fear of these 3 episodes, since Jack the Ripper is on the Enterprise. And Wicket took the Woklings to the Hut of Horrors. And also Latara lies, getting dragged to the depths of Endor. We talk mysticism in relation to exotic cultures (and women). And we also talk about how both franchises depict women as just being WAY more scared.

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The Trouble with Tribbles (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Just My Luck/Bringing Up Norky (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Aspen and Kenny talk Star Trek bureaucracy, the excellent origin of the Tribbles script, shenanigans and luck, and how much they HATE the Ewoks character Norky.
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The Gamesters of Triskelion (Star Trek: TOS) vs. Battle for the Sunstar (Star Wars: Ewoks)

Ewoks meet the Empire!

This week, we talk about all the cool ships in Battle for the Sunstar. Aspen litigates iterations of Gamesters of Triskelion. And we also poke holes in Great Man narratives.

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Party Ewok/Malani the Warrior (Star Wars: Ewoks) vs. A Piece of the Action (Star Trek: TOS)

We've finally finished Ewoks!

Aspen can't get enough of Drut's & Bothel's accents in Malani the Warrior. And Kenny can't get enough of fizzbin! And the gangster episode of Star Trek. Aspen talks about cultural humility. And we finally close the book on this chapter of Star Wars.

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MACLUNKEY!

Kenny gives a tiny history lesson about where Star Wars comes from and how it takes a village to make a movie.

Meanwhile, Aspen REALLY likes the episode where the Enterprise fights a Space Amoeba™ (thanks in part to her boyfriends).

And we dive deep into the Great Man Narratives™ with Gene Roddenberry and ESPECIALLY George Lucas as the Special Edition serving as major historical revisionism. Can he ever be stopped?!

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Aspen and Kenny dive into the depths of proxy wars and American jingoism. Are we the baddies, they ask? And the answer is yes, yes we are.

They're also joined by dead and made up guests alike, including Jeff Trekworthy, Irvin Kershner, the Lucas himself, and Francine the Popcorn Lady. What an ep, folks.
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This week, "Risk is our business!"

Aspen loves the ending changes of Return of the Jedi. Kenny points out this week's human propaganda of Return to Tomorrow. We talk about being complicit in empire (both being residents of the U.S. and of the Empire). And Kenny talks about Lucas messing with the Special Edition leading to "this is not my Star Wars."

And Kenny makes Aspen cry by repeating a point she made in an earlier episode.

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This week, we watched an episode of a popular sci-fi franchise that was about a phantom menace co-opting a charismatic figurehead to allow fascism to spread across the galaxy.

But enough about Patterns of Force from Star Trek!

We also litigate how sassy Spock is.  And how hot Nimoy is without his shirt.

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We talk about Attack of the Clones being both reactionary filmmaking and REVOLUTIONARY filmmaking. Aspen talks about the infantilization of women and how Kirk Drift might be wrong.

Also, we talk about how RedLetterMedia accidentally ruined all film criticism.

Oh, and Aspen ranks the 15 best outfits in Episode II #slaysenatorslay

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Aspen watches Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars for the first time. Kenny geeks out at how visually clever it is.

Also, The Omega Glory is an exercise in how to pat yourself on the back for being a great American. It is certainly a week for TV.

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Great! Star Trek predicted tech bros taking over everything in 1968!

The Ultimate Computer rips up everything thanks to Dorothy Fontana. Meanwhile, Clone Wars expands to 12 minutes an episode and we're all the better for it. Aspen talks about how Grievous rules. And Kenny hates Grand Admiral Thrawn (a tangent).

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Neoliberalism!

Aspen talks about Neoliberalism and Revenge of the Sith. Kenny asks for a definition of what Neoliberalism means. We also talk about what morality looks like in Bread and Circuses.

Also, auteur theory is the only consistent way to talk about the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy (sorry not sorry)

And Joel T. Partner makes his yearly appearance (see you in 2025, Joel!)
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We've got two backdoor pilots!

Both Gene and George get unprecious with what's come before. They break canon and create a new character that becomes the focus. One is the American Doctor Who. The other one is Aspen's favorite Star Wars character.

YOU DECIDE WHICH IS WHICH!
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We start two new seasons at once!

Kenny talks about the bold mission statement that is Ambush. Aspen talks about individualizing the clones. We both talk about The Clone Wars - chronological order versus release order.

And Kenny introduces listeners to Fred Freiberger and sets Aspen up for a new season-long arc.
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Our friend Andrea DiMauro-Walton joins us to talk AHSOKA. And Star Trek, too, I guess. Aspen and Andrea talk about the Romulan Commander. Kenny talks about how Anakin just seems like a guy now (and why that's GOOD). Andrea talks about her experience with The Clone Wars and how kids aren't stupid. 


And Aspen talks about Star Trek as Regency Drama.

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Aspen is sick! And suffering from The Paradise Syndrome!

Star Trek fails to show up this week as we act out of character and nitpick the flaws in Paradise Syndrome. Kenny talks about the Malevolence as an analog to the German Battleship Bismarck. And we dunk on Rise of Skywalker some more (sorry TROS lovers).

Also, both franchises deal with commanding stuff.

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Does Dave Filoni have a brother?

That's the topic of the week. Also, Star Trek and Star Wars are the topics, too.

Aspen talks about "the Filoni Zone." Kenny, naturally, talks about Dave Filoni pulling a George Lucas and synthesizing his favorite aesthetics into something new. Aspen talks about the Trek Triumverate playing Idiotball in this week's episode. And Kenny pulls some thematics out of his butt.

Also, criminal defense attorney Melvin Belli. When you listen to the episode, you'll get it.

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Thanks to Mike Moody-Garcia for letting Kenny guest on his pod!

We’re back with another ESSENTIAL BABYLON 5 episode. Kenny Madison from the ⁠Trek Wars podcast⁠ joins Mike to discuss how Babylon 5: The Road Home is very, very good for the franchise. Despite the movie not blowing them away, they feel it can only help inspire more people to watch Babylon 5 and, fingers crossed, pave the way for either an animated or live action series reboot. Enjoy the pod!

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0:00:00 Introducing the podcast and topic of discussion
0:02:21 Discussion of previous Babylon 5 content and fandom history
0:08:06 Rumors of Babylon 5 Reboot
0:14:33 A Love Letter to Fans, But Not a Great Movie
0:19:14 Rebooting the World: Exciting Possibilities for the Future
0:25:33 Zathras love and hopes for a B5 reboot
0:31:36 Babylon 5 Can Be A Taste for the Acquired Palate
0:41:32 Podcast and Comedy Updates
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Pardon us. Aspen went on a nightswim, so they keep slapping the mic.


We got bottle eps this week, dangit! Cheaper production is better (sometimes)!

Dr. Miranda Jones and the Medusan ambassador join the Enterprise this week. And we marvel at how complex a character Dr. Jones is (and Diana Muldaur). Meanwhile, Aspen stans for the new inductees of the 501st. REX AND CODY!

Also, we answer listener questions.

Note: Chicken Shop Date Girl and Andrew Garfield

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IS STAR WARS A WESTERN?

Aspen dives deep on Gunfight at the OK Corral. They try to explain the weird law structure in Tombstone, AZ when the shootout happened. 

Kenny gets on his usual BS, talking aobut Spectre of the Gun as a satire of Western attitudes circa 1968. 

Aspen and Kenny talk about collective action in Star Trek versus the lone gunslinger 'tude in this week's Clone Wars.

Eat Bad. Watch Star Wars.

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We talked with a big wig (thanks to Animation Fascination !)

We sat sit down with the show's Supervising Director and Producer Barry J. Kelly to dive deep into the creative process of bringing this fan-favorite series to life.

In this episode, you'll get insider insights into:
✨ Balancing the writing to cater to both die-hard Trekkies and newcomers.
✨ The age-old debate: Star Wars vs. Star Trek – which reigns supreme?
✨ What would the adorably menacing Moopsy look like in live-action?
✨ Barry's heartfelt gratitude to the incredible crew behind the series.
✨ The painstaking animation months-long production process!

Star Trek: Lower Decks is set in the year 2380 and follows the support crew of the U.S.S. Cerritos, one of Starfleet's least important ships. The fourth season finds our beloved ensigns facing new challenges and opportunities, all while coming to terms with their "lower deck" status for the foreseeable future.

Don't miss out on this engaging and insightful discussion that takes you behind the scenes of one of the most beloved animated series in the Star Trek universe!

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We talk about droid racism. 


Aspen asks Kenny about the head ridges thing in Star Trek (it's unsatisfying). Kenny stans for the metaphor of war profiteering in Day of the Dove.


And Dave Filoni brings up his brother...again?! 


#Brotherwatch

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EPISODE LXXIII — Join us as we dive deep into "The Acolyte" Episode 6, exploring the thrilling aftermath of Episode 5, "Night." Following the climactic and heart-pounding events, Episode 6 promises even more twists and turns. We're excited to have special guests Kenny Madison and Aspen Webster from the popular Trek Wars podcast join us to share their insights and expertise.

Tune in for an engaging and detailed analysis with our hosts and special guests! Don't miss out on the live chat to share your thoughts and theories with us.

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This week, we cover STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI on Essential Sci-Fi Movies. Mike welcomes Kenny Madison and Aspen Webster from the Trek Wars podcast. 

The conversation covers the bold narrative choices of TLJ that challenge traditional storytelling in the Star Wars universe. We analyze the departure from traditional tropes, the democratization of the Force, and the evolution of iconic characters. Be nice. 

Chapters:
0:00 Intergalactic Welcome
1:06 Remembering the Ewoks
2:01 The Last Jedi Analysis
6:40 Emotional Impact
8:48 Facing Failure
11:56 Toxic Fandom
16:58 X-Men 97 Comparison
19:47 Luke Skywalker's Coolness
22:41 Emotional Experience
24:52 Embracing the Hero's Journey
26:41 Power of Community
33:09 Democratizing the Force
37:14 Rediscovering Iconography
46:17 Star Wars Fatigue and Hope for Change
1:00:55 Questioning the Purpose of New Films
1:04:56 Enter the Clone Wars and TNG
1:07:42 Outro

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We're pro-union in a huge way.


Emily and Kelly (from the Delusions of Grandeur podcast) join us this week to talk about labor and economics in the Star Wars and Star Trek universe.

Emily and Kelly talk about how Han Solo is a stay at home dad.

Kenny talks about aesthetics in Star Wars (big surprise). And Aspen explains 401k's to Kenny.


Also, Kenny doesn't like Thrawn. 


#YourBrainThoughtsAreMyBrainThoughts

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Patrick Cotnoir (The George Lucas Talk Show)!!! comes to defend Jar-Jar. 

Kenny goes on about how Star Trek fans are freaks. We collectively talk about how Star Wars fans are freaks. Patrick tells Aspen about Tag and Bink. And we (possibly) put Brotherwatch to an end.

Also how are we even supposed to remember this Star Trek ep title? Petition to rename the episode.

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Aspen and Kenny go out of control on the implication of Senate Commandos. Kenny goes out of control on the two (TWO!) directors for The Tholian Web. 

And Aspen goes out of control on the logos, pathos, and ethos of this week's Trek.

Also Uhura. 

It's out of control.

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Dr. Tiffany L. Knoell, author of From Monk to Superhero: Genndy Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars and the Transformation of the Jedi, comes to talk to US! COME ON!

We talk about the definining relationships between Jedi as mediative monks versus badass power fantasy. We talk about Parmen's fascist dictatorship within the context of 2024. We talk about Plato's Stepchildren's famous KISS. And animation is a medium, not a genre.

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This week, the Scalosians fight to survive by **checks notes**  freezing the Enterprise. Also, Anakin and Obi-Wan lift a bunch of rocks!

Kenny brings up Ahsoka's role as caretaker in this week's episode of Clone Wars. And Aspen just really vibes with Wink of an Eye.

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We're mad about The Acolyte getting cancelled. 


Also, what does it mean to be an empath? Is Obi-Wan Kenobi compassionate? And where are Kenny and Aspen in our love of these fandoms?


All these answers and more!

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What does it mean to sacrifice one life over 1000? And what does it mean to be a horny Helen of Troy analog? 


Aspen talks about the nature of empathy. And Kenny talks about Lajos Egri. You know, Lajos Egri? Everyone knows!

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Aspen hates Whom Gods Destroy. Kenny loves Defenders of Peace (and so does Aspen). 

Is the Galactic Republic a strictly American analog? We also discuss the nature of conflict. Also, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov are constantly undercut. Why is that?

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Aspen and Kenny are joined by the illustrious Jessie Earl - you might know her from her entire job being Star Trek (and a lot of Star Wars too!). 

The trio discuss how this week's Star Trek is ironically on point about race by demonstrating the dangers of centrist, respectability politics. We also talk about how it’s nice to see the Jedi be more than space cops (AJAB). 

Not only do we discuss our episodes of the day, the Patreon portion of the conversation was too good not to share on the regular feed. You lucky dogs.
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