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07 Feb 202201 | Rich Villodas on Pastoral Burnout, Differentiation & the Impacts of Trauma00:31:31

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In this first episode, Rich Villodas (Pastor of New Life Fellowship) joins host Glenn Packiam to talk about pastoral health and the effects of trauma. Together, they discuss setting healthy boundaries as a pastor, how the Church can grow in trauma awareness and why the health of the pastor is vital for the well-being of the broader church community.

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22 Feb 202202 | Tara Beth Leach on Leading through Seasons of Grief & Suffering00:32:43

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Tara Beth Leach (pastor, preacher, writer) joins host Glenn Packiam to share about leading through personal loss and grief, finding hope in the local church and her encouragement for women leading in ministry.

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08 Mar 202203 | Steve Cuss on Leadership Anxiety, Counseling & Pastoral Relationships00:37:34

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Steve Cuss (author, consultant) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges of cultivating close friendships as a pastor, encouragement for leaders addressing their own mental health and why loneliness is a systemic issue for many pastors. 

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22 Mar 202204 | Joy Clarkson on Rethinking Happiness & Finding Better Metaphors for Your Life00:29:49

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Dr. Joy Clarkson (author and theologian) joins host Glenn Packiam to discuss a new definition of happiness for believers, how we understand our limitations through the metaphors we choose and the importance of accepting your circumstances as a leader.

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05 Apr 202205 | Sean Palmer on Preaching, the Enneagram & the Pastor’s Soul00:33:44

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Sean Palmer (Teaching Pastor at Ecclesia Houston) talks with Glenn Packiam about the important role of preaching in a pastor's calling and vocation. Together, they explore how sermons are tied to a pastor’s sense of identity, the role of the Enneagram in leadership development and some practical advice for today’s young preachers.

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19 Apr 202206 | Jay Y. Kim on Digital Church & Discipleship00:39:19

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Jay Kim (pastor at WestGate Church) sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss digital platforms as a new doorway for churches, how online spaces shape Christian’s spiritual formation and redemptive ways for leaders to engage in social media.


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03 May 202207 | Ashlee Eiland on Team Leadership & Transitions00:35:53

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Ashlee Eiland (pastor and writer) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about how she stays grounded in seasons of transition, what she has learned about co-leading a church and key takeaways on delegating responsibilities in challenging seasons.

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17 May 202208 | Sharon Hodde Miller on Leading in a Culture of Control & Anxiety00:37:41

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Sharon Hodde Miller (teaching pastor, author) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about managing the anxiety of the people you are leading, differentiating between agency and control and the challenges she has faced leading through the pandemic.

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31 May 202209 | Ruth Haley Barton on Rhythms of Work & Rest00:39:50

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Ruth Haley Barton (author and founder of the Transforming Center) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the transformative practice of sabbath, how technology disrupts our ability to rest and the deep inner-work of taking a sabbatical.


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14 Jun 202210 | Scott Sauls on Chasing Unity & Leading with Vulnerability00:39:15

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Scott Sauls (Senior Pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church in Nashville, TN) joins Glenn Packiam to share how he’s preached on his own journey with mental health, the prophetic shift he’s seeing in public dialogue and practical ways for leaders to shepherd their people well through challenging seasons.

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16 Aug 2022BONUS EPISODE | Q&A with Listener Questions00:41:41

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In this summer bonus episode, Glenn Packiam sits down to answer listener questions, including:

  • How can I navigate political tensions and divisions in my congregation and from the pulpit?
  • How do you balance being a boss and a friend to your staff?
  • How are you approaching deconstruction in younger generations?
  • What would you say to someone considering entering ministry at a later age who feels it might be too late? 
  • What advice would you give someone who just finished seminary and is entering full-time ministry?

We hope you’re encouraged by Glenn’s reflections, and don’t forget to mark your calendars for the Season 2 launch of the Resilient Pastor podcast, coming to wherever you listen on September 13, 2022.

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13 Sep 202211 | Russell Moore on Christian Nationalism & Public Theology00:36:24

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Russell Moore (Editor in Chief at Christianity Today) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss how pastors can engage well in the civic space, redefining what Christian nationalism looks like and understanding the threat Christian nationalism plays for the Church today.

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20 Sep 202212 | Christine Caine on Activating Women in the Church & Discovering a Broader Mission00:36:20

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Christine Caine (founder of A21 Campaign, speaker, author) sits down in-person with Glenn Packiam to talk about bridging the gap between evangelism and justice work, the unique challenges women in the Church are facing and the hunger for the presence of God that she’s seeing in Gen Z.

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27 Sep 202213 | Raymond Chang on Asian American History & Seeking Unity in the Church00:40:36

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Raymond Chang (TENx10 Senior Director of Partnerships at Fuller Seminary) talks about the challenges that Asian Americans have faced over time in the United States, the gifts the Asian American Church has to offer the broader Church and practical steps for seeking unity amidst difference. 


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04 Oct 202214 | Noemi Chavez on Church Planting and Leading a Multicultural Church00:33:59

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Noemi Chavez (pastor of Revive Church in Los Angeles, CA) shares about the trends she’s seeing in the Latino Church, the impact of bi-vocational (or “co-vocational”) leaders and some of the challenges that church planters are having to navigate.

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11 Oct 202215 | Pete Greig on Leading Prayer Gatherings & Navigating Unanswered Prayer00:36:00

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Pete Greig (founder of 24-7 Prayer) talks with Glenn Packiam about how to hold a successful corporate prayer gathering, what he’s seeing with prayer movements around the world and ways to hold space for both scripture and prophecy. 


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18 Oct 202216 | Kaitlyn Schiess on the Liturgy of Politics00:41:49

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Kaitlyn Schiess (writer and speaker) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about being formed by the political and cultural worlds around us, engaging with faith in seasons of political turmoil and what we can learn by taking an audit of our ongoing spiritual and cultural practices.

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25 Oct 202217 | Jenni Clayville on Team-Based Leadership & Multisite Ministry00:33:36

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Jenni Clayville (pastor at National Community Church) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the systems her team uses for leading across multiple church campuses, what it takes to build a team of diverse perspectives and creating a foundation of relationships with your church staff. 


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01 Nov 202218 | Danielle Strickland on Cultivating Hope in an Age of Cynicism00:40:16

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Danielle Strickland (author, speaker) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss how she’s discovered hope amidst challenging seasons, the connection between humility and hope and practical spiritual disciplines to help us move past cynicism. 


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08 Nov 202219 | Todd Proctor on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Tips for Leadership Succession00:38:54

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Todd Proctor (founder of Rock Harbor church and Executive Leader with Alpha USA) sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about discipling young leaders, preparing your church for leadership transitions and the changes he’s seen in the culture of churches using Alpha as an evangelism tool.


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15 Nov 202220 | Derwin Gray on the Gospel & the Multiethnic Church00:39:17

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Derwin Gray (pastor of Transformation Church) joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the important role the multi-ethnic church plays in today’s divided culture, moving your church beyond diversity as the end goal and shepherding people to see new perspectives on the Gospel.


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05 Jan 2023BONUS EPISODE | Planning an Intentional 2023 with Glenn & Holly Packiam00:27:17

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In this special bonus episode, Glenn Packiam is joined by his wife, Holly Packiam, to talk about the reflection process they use to start each new year. Together, they offer some practical ideas for looking back on the year that has passed, identifying themes for the year ahead and putting this vision into practical rhythms for your daily life.

Learn more about The Intentional Year at www.glennpackiam.com/intentionalyear.

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20 Mar 2023Teaser: Season 3 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast00:02:03

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Listen in as this season's co-hosts–Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller–share what they're looking forward to ahead in Season 3!

Subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen to podcasts to stay tuned for the episodes to come this season.

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21 Mar 202321 | Tim Mackie on Bible Engagement, Digital Technology & Preaching00:45:25

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Tim Mackie (co-founder of the BibleProject) shares what it looked like for him to study scripture while being a pastor, ways to equip others to engage deeper in the Biblical narrative and how he continues to find deep delight in reading the Bible.

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04 Apr 202322 | Esau McCaulley on Lent, Liturgy & Discipleship00:45:05

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Esau McCaulley (Associate Professor of New Testament at Wheaton) talks with Rich Villodas about the formative practice of following liturgical time, observing Lent as an act of humility and preaching on challenging scripture passages. 


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18 Apr 202323 | Kara Powell on Spiritual Formation & the Next Generation00:40:34

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Kara Powell (Executive Director of Fuller Youth Institute) joins Glenn Packiam to share about the power of intergenerational relationships, how good ecclesiology forms the development that happens in youth ministries and the impact of young people for the broader Church.


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02 May 202324 | Ed Stetzer on Spiritual Openness & the State of Evangelism00:44:19

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Ed Stetzer (incoming dean of the Talbot School of Theology at Biola University) sits down with Glenn Packiam to comment on some of Barna’s latest research on spiritual openness, the unique opportunities for evangelism in this current moment and why missiology and theology matters for everyday church ministry decisions. 


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16 May 202325 | Heather Thompson Day on Gen Z & Digital Technology00:45:07

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Dr. Heather Thompson Day (Associate Professor of Communication at Andrews University) discusses with Glenn Packiam why Gen Z in particular has such a desire for mentorship and relationships, how to communicate more effectively in your sermons through storytelling and the role of technology in connecting with the younger generations.


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30 May 202326 | Lucy Peppiatt on Revival & the Gifts of the Spirit00:52:18

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Lucy Peppiatt (Principal of Westminster Theological Centre) talks with Glenn Packiam about the role of spiritual disciplines in our lives with God, creating room for the Holy Spirit in both planned and spontaneous parts of ministry and differentiating between outpourings, renewal and revival. 


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13 Jun 202327 | Nijay Gupta on Women’s Roles in Scripture & in the Church00:51:25

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Nijay Gupta (New Testament professor at Northern Seminary) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about what we often misunderstand about the role of first century Greco-Roman women in society, unpack some of the language around titles and roles in the early church and offer practical ways to support women in churches and seminaries today.


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27 Jun 202328 | Bianca Olthoff on Preaching & Church Planting00:47:22

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Bianca Olthoff (church planter, author, speaker, podcaster) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about some of the emotional tolls of preaching, developing resilience through her journey with church planting and navigating the leadership challenges of political and cultural polarization. 


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25 Jul 202330 | Beth Moore on Cultivating Resilience & Finding Hope in Hardship00:57:37

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Beth Moore (author, speaker, teacher) talks with Sharon Hodde Miller about staying open through criticism, lessons she’s learned from her years in ministry and leaving a legacy for future generations of church leaders. Additionally, Sharon, Glenn and Rich discuss the impact that a leader’s family of origin and patterns of trauma can have on how they show up in their ministry roles.


Beth’s memoir, All My Knotted-Up Life, is available wherever you buy books.


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15 Sep 2023Welcome to Season 4 of 'The Resilient Pastor' Podcast00:01:48

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Season 4 of The Resilient Pastor podcast will be back on Tuesday! Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral health, church leadership and navigating complex challenges in today’s culture.

New episodes start on September 19.  Share the Season 4 trailer, and subscribe to The Resilient Pastor wherever you listen to your podcasts.

19 Sep 202331 | Chuck DeGroat on Narcissistic Leadership & Healing from Past Wounds00:44:35

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Chuck DeGroat (professor, therapist, author) sits down with Sharon Hodde Miller to talk about how unhealed trauma can cause future leadership challenges and narcissism, practical ways pastors and church leaders can move towards healing from their past and how to lead confidently without feeling overly inhibited by the fear of being a narcissist.


Check out Chuck’s latest book When Narcissism Comes to Church


Sign up for the Resilient Pastor roundtables this Fall 2023.

  • Oct 4- Charlotte, NC
  • Oct 26- Chicago, IL
  • Nov 16- Orange County, CA

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03 Oct 202332 | Ken Shigematsu on Grace, Shame & Developing Healthy Rhythms00:50:37

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Ken Shigematsu (Senior Pastor of Tenth Church in Vancouver, BC) joins Glenn Packiam to talk about the role of confession in overcoming shame, the healing power of embracing God’s grace and how a rule of life can help leaders set healthy rhythms of rest and formation in their lives. 


Check out Ken’s latest book Now I Become Myself: How Deep Grace Heals Our Shame and Restores Our True Self.


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17 Oct 202333 | Faith Eury Cho on Navigating Wilderness Seasons & Encountering God's Presence00:48:54

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Faith Eury Cho (co-pastor of Mosaic Covenant church) and Glenn Packiam discuss how to handle God's absence, developing awareness of His presence and managing ministry challenges during wilderness seasons. Plus, in the introduction discussion, Rich, Sharon and Glenn share their experiences in leading during spiritually dry spells and encouragement on expanding our understanding of God's presence.


Check out Faith’s latest book Experiencing Friendship With God: How the Wilderness Draws Us to His Presence


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31 Oct 202334 | Ike Miller on Redeeming Childhood Wounds & Cultivating Healthy Relationships00:46:48

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Ike Miller joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the valuable insights he has gained from church planting, how painful childhood experiences and trauma shape pastor’s leadership styles and how to harness childhood wounds as a source of strength in addressing the needs of your congregation.


Check out Ike’s latest book Good Baggage: How Your Difficult Childhood Prepared You for Healthy Relationships


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14 Nov 202335 | Jess Connolly on Ministry Burnout & Accepting Your Limitations00:48:27

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Jess Connolly (author, church planter, coach) talks with Sharon about the overlooked causes of burnout among church leaders. Together, they talk about the importance of not making exceptions to your limitations, the power of the ministry of absence and the important role of rest and time management for sustainable ministry.


Check out Jess’s upcoming book, Tired of Being Tired: Receive God’s Realistici Rest for Your Soul-Deep Exhaustion


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28 Nov 202336 | Gabriel Salguero on a Pastoral Approach to Addressing Current Events00:45:41

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Gabriel Salguero (pastor of The Gathering Place in Orlando, FL) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss when to discuss national and local issues, finding balance between the priestly and prophetic callings of pastors and the importance of relational support for church leaders. Together, they also discuss trends he’s observing within the Latino church community and insights they offer for the broader church.


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12 Dec 202337 | Jeanne Stevens on Community Engagement & Global Outreach00:47:39

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Jeanne Stevens (pastor of Soul City Church in Chicago, IL) joins Glenn Packiam to share about how her church is engaging their local community, rethinking what global partnership can look like and what she’s learning about the power of presence through her own leadership journey. 


Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.

Learn more about Jeanne’s latest book, What’s Here Now, and discover how you can get involved with World Vision’s Chosen initiative today.

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19 Dec 202338 | N.T. Wright on Vocation, Lament & Suffering00:59:09

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N.T. Wright (theologian and author) discusses with Glenn Packiam what he has learned about the gifts of prayer and lament in the church, trends he is seeing in vocational satisfaction for pastors and the encouragement that Paul’s letter to the Romans has to offer pastors and teachers.


Sign up for the Resilient Pastor cohort. Early bird registration ends December 31, 2023.

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02 Jan 202439 | David Kinnaman on Spiritual Backstories, Deconstruction & Resilience00:47:34

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David Kinnaman (CEO, Barna Group) joins Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller to explore current trends in spiritual openness, the factors that contribute to people distancing themselves from the Church and how understanding people's spiritual backstories can be a gateway for meaningful faith conversations.


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16 Jan 202440 | John Mark Comer on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation01:07:51

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John Mark Comer (teacher, author, founding pastor of Bridgetown Church) sits down with Rich Villodas to discuss what he’s learned as he stepped back from pastoring, why he’s underwhelmed by a Sunday-centric model of discipleship and the formative power that a rule of life has played in his personal life and leadership. 


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21 May 2024Coming Soon: Season 5 of ‘The Resilient Pastor’ Podcast00:01:13

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Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for more conversations on pastoral well-being, church leadership and navigating the pressing cultural challenges of today. 

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23 May 202441 | Dr. Anita Phillips on Pastors’ Mental Health & Betrayal Trauma00:41:23

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In this interview from the State of Pastors webcast, Dr. Anita Phillips joins Sharon Hodde Miller to discuss the similar emotional/mental health risk factors that pastors and entrepreneurs face, the trauma leaders face from relational losses in their churches and the ways that elder boards can better support pastors to get the help they need when they’re struggling.

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06 Jun 202442 | Carey Nieuwhof on Developing Next Gen Leaders & Leadership Succession00:56:15

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Carey Nieuwhof sits down with Glenn Packiam to talk about the trends he is noticing among younger generations of church leaders, lessons he learned from his pastoral succession at Connexus Church and practical advice he’d give to young leaders entering into ministry.  


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20 Jun 202443 | Lisa Whittle on the Pastoral Credibility Crisis & Rebuilding Trust00:48:20

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In this episode, Glenn, Rich and Sharon sit down to discuss the challenges pastors face in gaining and maintaining trust amidst a crisis of credibility. Then, Lisa Whittle shares her personal experience as the daughter of a pastor who experienced a public fall, emphasizing the need for accountability, compassion and grounding faith in Jesus to rebuild trust and resilience in ministry.

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04 Jul 202444 | Daniel Im on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation in a Post-Everything Age00:45:11

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Daniel Im joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a post-everything world. Together, they explore the historical context of the church growth movement and its impact on church leadership, emphasizing the critical importance of developing robust discipleship pathways and the key role pastors play in guiding congregations toward spiritual growth and maturity.

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18 Jul 202445 | Michael Wear on Navigating Political Polarization & the Spiritual Impact of Politics00:48:27

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Michael Wear sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss what it looks like for Christians to engage in politics, how spiritual health impacts the state of our politics and some practical ways to navigate political conversations. Michael also shares his personal experience working in the White House and the challenges he’s faced as a Christian in politics. 

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01 Aug 202446 | Reward Sibanda on Spiritual Openness in the Next Generation & the Impact of Digital Technology00:51:03

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On today’s episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam and Reward Sibanda discuss the gaps in spiritual openness between the Church and the next generation, the impact of digital spaces and how spiritual disciplines like fasting are connected to holistic renewal.

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15 Aug 202447 | Megan Fate Marshman on Leading Amidst Grief & Learning to Slow Down00:47:19

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Rich Villodas sits down with Megan Fate Marshman to discuss the impact of grief on spirituality and how her own grief journey has affected the way she leads. Together, they discuss different struggles she has faced as a preacher and how to slow down in today’s hustle culture. 


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29 Aug 202448 | Mark Matlock on Rethinking Evangelism & Reaching the Spiritually Curious00:52:14

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Glenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations. 

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12 Sep 202449 | Jimmy and Irene Rollins on Building Healthy Marriages & Relational Support for Pastors00:50:59

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Jimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families.

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26 Sep 202450 | Pete Scazzero on Pastoral Credibility & Establishing Trust Within the Church00:55:42

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Pete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to  reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term.


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19 Jan 2022Introducing: The Resilient Pastor Podcast00:01:53

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Join pastor and Barna Senior fellow, Dr. Glenn Packiam, as he invites leaders to think out loud together about the challenges and opportunities of church leadership in a rapidly changing world. In each episode, he will highlight a key bit of Barna data or an insight into the challenges pastors are facing. Then, he’ll host a conversation with a pastor, church leader, thinker or theologian about the health of the pastor, the state of the church and what it looks like to love well and lead faithfully.

Look out for the first episode on February 8, 2022.

To learn more, go to Barna.com/resilientpastor.




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