The Next Level (The Bulwark)

Tim sits down with sportswriter and ESPN Daily host Pablo S. Torre to discuss how sports, the last unifying cultural touchstone in America, has started to be corrupted by polarization. They get into the cringy identity politics of both the left and the right when it comes to athletics, along with some NBA commentary and Denver Nuggets debate!

Plus, Tim breaks down his thoughts on SCOTUS ruling against Harvard’s and UNC’s affirmative action policies.

Watch Tim interview Pablo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_x50CSNQRw

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Bill Kristol sits in for Sarah today and we talked about a lot. What the 2024 election looks like from Europe; the war in Ukraine; Mike Pence; the Republican elites; No Labels; and even some Casablanca.

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The gang plays a little game: What are the odds Trump a) Becomes president, b) Goes to jail, or c) Neither? Let us know what you think the odds are in the comments!

Plus, another ignorant country song storms the charts, and Trump apparently DM'ed a lot of people on the app formerly known as Twitter.

Watch the gang record this episode on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/ChWTYpojUsY

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Sarah and JVL talk about the politics of Joe Biden’s Hunter problem and the game theory on whether or not Ron DeSantis should stay in the race.

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Ever wonder how homelessness has gotten so bad in America? And why there appears to be no successful efforts to solve it? The Atlantic's Jerusalem Demsas joins Tim and JVL to answer every question they have about this massive problem. It's a truly in-depth discussion you won't want to miss!

Watch the Tim and JVL interview Jerusalem on our official YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/qCsd1O4-hdI

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Country artist Amanda Shires joins Tim to discuss Nashville politics, abortion (including her life threatening ectopic pregnancy), being a liberal singer in a conservative genre, starting the all-female country group The Highwomen and more!

Plus, Tim gives his thoughts on the latest arraignment of former president Donald Trump.

Find Amanda's tour dates here: https://amandashiresmusic.com/

Loving You: https://atorecords-ffm.com/lovingyou

Highwomen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-6nklMMbM

Summertime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aW1a4fM8X0

Watch Tim interview Amanda on our Youtube channel here: https://youtu.be/txZcSgqPLWk

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Ron Filipkowski joins Tim to talk his journey from lawyer to never-Trump political commentator. Together, they analyze the MAGA transformation of the party they once called home, lambast Ron DeSantis' attempts to peel off Trump supporters, and explain how he balances his day job with his constant tweets on conservative crazies.

Watch Tim interview Ron here: https://youtu.be/0dLxCE86VuQ

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Ben McKenzie (The O.C., Gotham) joins Tim and JVL to talk his new book, "Easy Money: Cryptocurrency, Casino Capitalism, and the Golden Age of Fraud." They discuss his investigation into cryptocurrency during the COVID-19 pandemic, pushback from supporters of crypto, finding a fulfilling mission later in life, and his lifelong vendetta with Chad Michael Murray!

Plus, Tim and JVL talk about the impact of Trump’s trial and potential conviction on the presidential race.

You can purchase Ben's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Money-Cryptocurrency-Casino-Capitalism/dp/1419766392

Watch Tim and JVL interview Ben on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAaIN1KkNbk

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The key whistleblower the GOP has been touting as a smoking gun against President Biden, along with his son Hunter, has been charged with failing to register as a foreign asset for China. And Tucker Carlson plans to host a forum without Trump. Will it do anything to save DeSantis' floundering campaign?

Plus, what do Trump 2016-Biden 2020 voters think of the state of the country? Will they be Trump 2024 voters soon? Sarah gives some Focus Group insight to the gang.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkpFXXUSQAk

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Sarah and JVL talk about Jack Smith’s superseding indictment, Hunter Biden not getting pardoned, Sarah’s new campaign, and Barbenheimer. It’s a pretty good show this week.

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Sarah and JVL talk about the latest arraignment.

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Hot comedian on the rise Alex Edelman joins Tim to discuss his show, Just for Us, and its debut on Broadway, alongside Judaism, white nationalism, comedy itself, and why he's the reverse of JD Vance.

Plus, Tim and JVL discuss Hunter Biden's secret child in Arkansas, and what President Joe Biden should do, both politically and morally.

Just for Us plays at the Hudson Theatre on Broadway until August 19th.

Watch Tim interview Alex here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKgSs916Utk

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Secret Podcast Preview: The weird disconnect between the vibes the actual real state of the economy.

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Jen Psaki joins Tim and Sarah this week to talk what Biden needs to do to win in 2024, whether his age is an issue, her time in the White House, and the transition to hosting her own TV show on MSNBC.

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Tim recounts his trip to Iowa to watch GOP presidential candidates make their weak bids for the nomination over Trump, Including Ron DeSantis, who just replaced his campaign manager. And the so-called "pro-women's sports integrity" conservatives are relishing the U.S. women's soccer team getting knock out of the World Cup. 

Plus, Ohio shuts down GOP attempts to make constitutional amendments (abortion rights) harder, and Sarah gives updates on what her focus groups think of "on the rise" Tim Scott.

Watch the gang record this episode on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/4HnSr4lg1i0

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It's the latest indictment of former President Donald Trump, this time on the most dangerous charges yet: 2020 election interference. What will this mean for the 2024 race? What are the worst defenses of Trump's actions? Will Trump be put on trial during the general election? The gang breaks down all of this and more on today's The Next Level!

Watch the gang record this video on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/wsy1J7RSybY

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DeSantis attempts to reboot his campaign with by firing a third of his staff, one of whom apparently made videos with Nazi symbolism. Plus, Kevin McCarthy teases an impeachment inquiry of President Biden, progressives turn on AOC, and a bizarre conservative ad makes it way online.

Watch the gang record this episode on our YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/UIQ-eZtkUxM

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Sarah and JVL dig into Ron DeSantis’s awful campaign reset and then try to figure out just what the No Labels people are thinking.

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Trump and DeSantis had major interviews last night, and both were consumed by the former's third indictment yet. Trump doesn't even need to defend himself with DeSantis repeating all his talking points!

Plus, Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin and former Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman tease with forming a "unity" ticket doomed to fail and put Trump back in the White House. And Mike Pence might not even qualify for the first GOP primary debate, proving he really is just a glutton for punishment.

DeSantis' South Carolina exchange: https://twitter.com/GiancarloSopo/status/1681083703760506881

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGfpg5y8SM

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Sarah is back this week to talk all things SCOTUS, as the gang breaks down this year's rulings and what they mean for the country. Plus, Ron DeSantis' campaign tries to out flank Trump to the right by arguing he's a bigger homophobe. And is Vivek Ramaswamy in a race for distant second against him?

Watch the gang record this episode on TNL's official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqCs3ge_vVc

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Sarah and JVL talk about Biden’s coming reelection announcement and DeSantis’s latest polling drop. Also: If Trump becomes the Republican nominee and you could wave a wand and have any person be the Democratic nominee, who would you pick?

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Sarah and JVL talk about Ron DeSantis’s not-really-a-pivot on Ukraine, what it says about his campaign, and what we’re learning about him as a political commodity.

Also: Why do the anti-antis hate the Never Trumpers above all others?

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Sen. Tammy Baldwin joins Tim and Sarah to breakdown her lifetime of firsts as an openly gay politician, her coming out story in the 80s, the art of being both progressive and bipartisan, and an assessment of Wisconsin politics heading into 2024.

Plus, Tim and Sarah dissect JVL’s Triad … without him present!

Watch Tim and Sarah interview Sen. Baldwin here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEitt5qu0sw

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On a special Pride edition of TNL Sunday, Chasten Buttigieg joins Tim to discuss his new book, Josh Hawley's "Manhood," Ted Cruz's Uganda comments, and being a new parent while under the spotlight.

Watch Tim interview Chasten here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426Tjzws4kI

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Tim sits down with Larry Wilmore to talk his career as a comedian, the Democratic party, race in America, and Vice President Kamala Harris on this week’s Sunday show.

Plus, Tim and JVL discuss the killing of a homeless black man in New York City that has, once again, divided the country along party lines.

The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast. 

Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18. 

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Rep. Abigail Spanberger, a favorite of Never Trumpers everywhere, joins Tim this week to talk appealing to the middle, the battle of the debt ceiling, her career in the CIA (as much as she's allowed to say), what it's like being a mom while in Congress and much more!

Note: This episode was recorded on April 24, 2023.

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Abraham Josephine Riesman, author of The New York Times bestselling book, Ringmaster, joins Tim and JVL to talk WWE wrestling and the latest attacks on trans Americans from the right.

Plus, Tim and JVL talk the $5 million Mike Lindell has the pay for his disproven election fraud claims.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0u9_tuy9V4

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Tennessee House Rep. Gloria Johnson joins Tim to talk the insanity that's happened in her state's legislature over the past couple of weeks. She details why she and her Democratic colleagues, Reps. Justin J. Pearson and Justin Jones, decided to take action after another school shooting in Nashville.

Along with reacting to the racism her Republican peers and the conservative media have shown in the aftermath, Rep. Johnson also gets into the dangerous legislation proposed by the GOP in her state, which will have serious consequences for abortion access and freedom of expression.

Watch Tim and Rep. Johnson record this episode live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpywzrLd_Z0

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Frank Bruni, veteran opinion writer for The New York Times, joins Tim and JVL on this week's Sunday show to talk Trumps indictment, his esteemed career, which includes covering the President George W. Bush's administration, the future of journalism, modern day challenges to free speech, and much more!

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XXMZkdu-M0

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Pulitzer Prize-winning author Junot Diaz joins the Sunday show to talk his career and the current political climate in America. They also get into his experience with cancel culture, and if it changed his view of the world.

Plus, Tim and Sarah give their thoughts what the Trump indictment means for his re-election campaign.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K2dK1BEWqg

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The spectacular Jane Lynch (Glee, Party Down) joins Tim and Sarah this week, and turns out she's a huge fan of Never Trumpers! They discuss Donald Trump's indictment, Hollywood, cancel culture, and of course, gay stuff. If you've ever wanted to know if Sue Sylvester would support Trump or Ron DeSantis, you won't want to miss this episode!

Plus, Tim and Sarah give their updated thoughts on Florida’s escalation of its “Don’t Say Gay Bill.”

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc5vWgbWgRQ

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Sarah and JVL go deep on the day everyone knew would eventually get here.

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Today Bill Kristol is in for Sarah and he and JVL talk about CNN’s Trump town hall, the latest Ginni Thomas reporting, and the bizarre reaction of Conservatism Inc. to the ongoing Clarence Thomas story.

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Sarah and JVL talk about the potential for Vivek Ramaswamy to fill the Ron Paul lane and how that could hurt DeSantis. And also Clarence Thomas and the burden of having close personal friends who just happen to be billionaires.

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Tim and JVL welcome Rep. Colin Allred to the Sunday show to discuss Rep. Jim Jordan’s bogus Weaponization of the Federal Government committee, his potential challenge to Sen. Ted Cruz, and his journey to the Tennessee Titans as an undrafted football player.

Plus, how do you pronounce DeSantis? Tim and JVL debate, as even Meatball Ron doesn’t seem to know.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ3DcU3ROds

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DeSantis says Ukraine's security is not a priority for the U.S., and (some) GOP politicians are pushing back. How long will it last? And why doesn't Trump get the same criticisms?

Plus, Fox News blames Silicon Valley Bank's "wokeness" for it failure, and the TNL hosts have some choice words for them.

Watch the gang record this episode live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcPGCSZa44g

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Tim and JVL sat down with Lt Col. Alexander Vindman to breakdown the almost civil war in Russia and what it could mean for Vladimir Putin down the line. Check out The Bulwark's YouTube channel to watch the full conversation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vVMS2rgaA0

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Speaker Kevin McCarthy says Trump might not be the strongest candidate in 2024, but immediately walks it back as loyalists rage against him, and DeSantis' poll numbers are pathetic. Plus, Joe Perticone joins Tim and JVL to discuss reporting on the Hill and breakdown new developments with normie Republicans, the Freedom Caucus, and the Squad.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLVhcTZ0CU

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Sarah and JVL talk about the latest 2 percent candidate and the Pew survey on what Democrats and Republicans really want.

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On this week's TNL Sunday, Tim and JVL interview Reid Hoffman, a founding member of OpenAI, aka the creators of ChatGPT. Together they discuss how the future of humanity could unfold as artificial intelligence becomes more and more advanced. They also talk Elon Musk's venture into politics and the possible reason why he made such a choice.

Plus, Tim and JVL breakdown good Republican Will Hurd becoming the latest not-Trump candidate to enter the 2024 GOP primary.

Watch Tim and JVL interview Reid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0IB2jstIhk

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Donald Trump and Hunter Biden both admit they broke the law, but under very different circumstances. Plus, the second part of Bret Baier's interview with Trump aired last night, and he really doesn't understand the laws he's proposing. And what's up with RFK Jr.'s poll numbers? Amanda Carpenter joins Tim and JVL to discuss and share some special news!

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A report from the front line of the GOP primary.

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Donald Trump has been arrested for the second time this year, and GOP voters somehow think he's the most electable of all Republican candidates. Plus, Fox News calls Biden a "Wannabe Dictator" and Tim takes a victory lap with the Denver Nuggets' championship win. Sonny Bunch fills in for Sarah on this week's show!

Watch the gang record this episode on our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSjuNl6Pu4Q

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In the lead up to Father’s Day, author and podcast host Ryan Holiday joins Tim and JVL to talk the rewards and tribulations of being a dad. Ryan also talks to Tim about their similar experiences setting aside their less than moral professional careers to pursue more rewarding livelihoods.

Plus, Tim and JVL discuss the second indictment of Trump and the damning evidence against him.

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Sarah and JVL talk about the big indictment. What it means for the Republican primary. How the Triangle of Doom is operating. And whether there’s any way out of this thing.

The Secret pod is almost always locked for Bulwark+ members but this week we’re making the entire thing available to everyone, because it’s an important moment.

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Sonny joins JVL and Sarah to talk the ouster of Chris Licht from CNN after a devastating profile by Tim Alberta. Plus, Chris Christie and Mike Pence official enter the 2024 primary, the Saudis take over pro-golf, and Marjorie Taylor Greene is becoming more mainstream, alienating her from the other fringe members of her party.

Watch the gang record this episode our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXgljzlXOIE

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Sarah and JVL go to a perplexing place trying to figure out if the (very valuable) short-term good Kevin McCarthy has done regarding governing outweighs the long-term danger of normalizing white nationalists, insurrectionists, and other assorted crazies.

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Republicans and President Joe Biden worked out a debt ceiling deal where Democrats gave major concessions ... and yet Speaker Kevin McCarthy is still being accused of caving to the libs.

The gang also debates who's more MAGA: Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump? Plus, Chris Christie appears ready to launch another presidential campaign and Tara Reade moves to Russia.

Watch the gang record this episode our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzFsrGpTW4E

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Sarah and JVL talk about the DeSantis launch, his January 6 pardon weasel words, and the norming of soft-authoritarianism.

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Bradley Whitford (The West Wing, Transparent) joins the Sunday show to talk The West Wing, criticisms of the show's idealistic politics, and his own evolution into an advocate for liberal causes and much more!

Plus, Tim and JVL breakdown DeSantis' attempts to shake off the "establishment" label after his presidential campaign launch.

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It's all about Ron DeSantis and his upcoming announcement on Twitter Spaces tonight. What does the gang think of the move to launch his campaign with Elon Musk? Plus, a riff on Tim Scott's inconsequential run for president and a rant on Nate Silver's Never Trumper critiques.

And tune in tonight on YouTube to watch all your favorite Bulwark personalities react to DeSantis' announcement live! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPz-zmDUiuw

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Sarah and JVL are joined by Molly Jong-Fast as part of The Bulwark's live event in NYC! Tune in to hear several "Are we going to fight?" moments while discussing Donald Trump's continuous popularity with Republicans, the cruelty of the latest allegations against Rudy Giuliani, and basically ever current and potential 2024 presidential contender. It's a wild show that you won't want to miss!

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Sarah, Tim and JVL went live yesterday during their recording to talk Dem wins in traditionally Republican cities, DeSantis' Iowa trip and his allied PAC walking back criticism of Trump, and the idea that Mike Pence might actually jump into the 2024 race. Plus, the gang takes questions from the audience!

The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast.

Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18.

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Director, writer and producer David Mandel (Veep, Seinfeld) sits down with Tim to discuss his new HBO miniseries White House Plumbers and his fascination with the behind the scenes of Washington.

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Next week's TNL will be streamed LIVE on YouTube on The Bulwark's main channel. Tune in May 17th at 3 pm EST to watch Tim, Sarah, and JVL record in the same room for the first time in ages! The chat will be open to get ready to ask our hosts your burning questions! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVoAmys1Lg

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JVL sits down with Will Saletan to talk about his book on The Corruption of Lindsey Graham. It’s a *much* more free-flowing and philosophical discussion than I’d planned. If you’re game for a journey, you might like it.

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Next week's TNL will be streamed LIVE on YouTube on The Bulwark's main channel. Tune in May 17th at 3 pm EST to watch Tim, Sarah, and JVL record in the same room for the first time in ages! The chat will be open to get ready to ask our hosts your burning questions! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVoAmys1Lg

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Donald Trump is found guilty of sexually assaulting E Jean Carroll, but no one doubts he's still on a path to the top of the Republican ticket in 2024. The GOP is also sticking by Rep. George Santos after he was indicted by a grand jury on 13 criminal charges. They really know how to pick some good ones!

Plus, what do our hosts think of President Joe Biden and Speaker Kevin McCarthy's standoff over the debt limit? And Tucker Carlson announces his return to spewing propaganda on Twitter, while RFK Jr. does surprisingly well in Democratic polls.

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Next week's TNL will be streamed LIVE on YouTube on The Bulwark's main channel. Tune in May 17th at 3 pm EST to watch Tim, Sarah, and JVL record in the same room for the first time in ages! The chat will be open to get ready to ask our hosts your burning questions! Join here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVoAmys1Lg

The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast.

Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18.

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The OG trio is back this week to talk the latest poll of GOP primary voters. Spoiler alert: fighting “wokeness” matters, helping Ukraine does not.

Plus, Ron DeSantis is imploding before our very eyes, while Trump’s campaign is actually running a coherent operation. Is a repeat of 2020 truly inevitable?

And in Texas, the tragic murder of a family gets drawn into immigration politics, while Rep. Colin puts his hat in the ring to challenge Cruz for the Senate.

Watch the gang record this episode our official YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgm6vZqPjqA

The Bulwark is heading to the Big Apple for a night of politics, laughs and maybe even a few tears—with special guest Molly Jong-Fast of the Fast Politics podcast.

Come meet the gang from The Next Level and fellow Bulwark+ members in Manhattan on Thursday, May 18.

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Sarah and JVL talk about Montana Republicans kicking a trans Democrat out of the chamber, the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, Nikki Haley’s death pool, DeSantis in Israel, Trump and debates. And then we close out with the scourge of participation trophies.

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Both Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon have been kicked to the curb by their employers, leaving us political pundits to wonder what their next move means, and what the future holds for Fox and CNN, respectively.

Plus, Ron DeSantis keeps sinking in the polls, while the primary field against Trump has almost evaporated. Will DeSantis even run? And is he trying to match Trump’s crazy by making it easier to enforce the death penalty?

Amanda Carpenter subs in for Sarah to discuss!

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Fox settled with Dominion Voting Systems for $787.5 million, at the expense of getting Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham to testify publicly. Was this the best or worst case scenario?

Plus, with his stock in the 2024 presidential horse race sinking, Ron DeSantis picks back up his fight with Disney, threatening to build a jail next to Disney World. Anything beats taking on Trump directly, right?

And Democrats are pressuring Sen. Dianne Feinstein to retire as her absence prevent President Biden from confirming judges. Is it time for all these octogenarians to finally give up their seats?

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftyhv2AIoEk

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Sarah and JVL talk about MAGA’s new attack on the Great Republican Hope. And about the Heritage Foundation’s strange new respect for socialism. And more!

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UPDATE: Rep. Tim Scott revealed he was no longer a virgin in 2012, according to the Daily Mail.

Donald Trump joined Tucker Carlson last night to lavish praise on genocidal Chinese President Xi Jinping, among other authoritarian world leaders. Plus, law and order Texas Gov. Greg Abbott plans to pardon a convicted murderer and Tim Scott launches his presidential campaign, while DeSantis waits in the corner and passes dangerous new immigration laws.

Show Notes

"The Big Break" by Ben Terris: https://www.twelvebooks.com/titles/ben-terris/the-big-break/9781538708057/

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Trump's (first) indictment has finally arrived and the GOP is more (publicly) united behind him than ever before. The MAGA base demands loyalty, and even the so-called normies are falling in line.

The gang also breaks down Democrats' big win in Wisconsin yesterday and if it's a bad sign for Ron DeSantis. Plus, everyone gives their take on the NCAA women's national championship tournament, as well as how much racism and misogyny was behind the media storm surrounding the Angel Reese.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0caff1USZzA

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In the wake of the latest mass shooting in Nashville, the gang breaks down where the country stands when it comes to protecting our children from gun violence. They discuss whether the Republican Party has given up attempting to find an alternative solution to gun control, as well as the culture war fallout from the potential gender identity of the shooter.

Plus, Donald Trump's insane rally in Waco, Texas shows how insane he is, but also what a force he continues to be. Can Ron DeSantis continue to sidestep a full on confrontation with the Donfather? Chris Christie seems like he maybe be up for that fight, but not all the hosts are convinced he's actually turned a corner.

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Donald Trump's indictment seems inevitable, but how long it will take before an arrest actually happens is anyone's guess. Regardless, Ron DeSantis has taken his first slight swing at his would-be rival, but he's just using Marco Rubio's failed 2016 playbook.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Fi-ikGsBw

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Marjorie Taylor Greene looks all the more powerful in the new GOP-controlled House after playing her cards right during the Speakership standoff. What will it mean for the radicals to be in control going forward?

JVL's Triad: https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/ross-douthat-and-the-match-throwing

Join the gang from The Next Level in Hollywood on January 19 and in Seattle on January 21. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/events

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Kevin McCarthy's dream of becoming Speaker of the House is imperiled as the MAGA wing flexes its power. After FIVE rounds of voting, he's no where close to securing the position. Is this comeuppance for coming to Trump's rescue after Jan. 6?

Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/NoBS

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy leaves his country for the first time since Russia invaded to deliver an address to Congress. Plus, Trump's tax return will be released to the public and the Jan. 6 commission held its last hearing.

Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/NoBS

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Republicans say then-candidate Joe Biden put a torch to First Amendment rights by asking Twitter to take down inappropriate Hunter Biden images. Plus, Donald Trump says we should terminate the Constitution, then gaslights everyone who calls him out on it. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss!

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Trump's dinner from hell with anti-semites has more republicans questioning his judgement ... again. Plus, are Never-Trump Republicans obligated to back DeSantis? Sonny Bunch joins Sarah and Tim to discuss!

Sonny's awards movie recommendations:

TÁR - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6gA1RehsU

ATHENA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRunUkdkK8s

Top Gun: Maverick - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giXco2jaZ_4

Elvis - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDLRvjHVOY

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The results are in (mostly) and the red wave didn’t happen! Democracy appears to have prevailed when we most doubted it! JVL, Sarah and Tim breakdown the midterms, giving their thoughts on the results and predictions for the undecided races.

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Ron DeSantis may be a black hole of charisma, but election denier Kari Lake knows how to run a campaign. Are these two the future of the MAGA movement in 2024? Plus, progressive Dems retracted a letter to Biden calling on a diplomatic solution to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss on this week's The Next Level.

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JVL, Sarah, and Tim talk Tulsi Gabbard's departure from the Democratic Party, Sen. Tommy Tuberville's racist rally comments, and Rep. Tim Ryan's debate performance against JD Vance. Plus, Tim goes off on Sen. Ben Sasse for resigning from Congress.

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JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss bombshell revelations GOP Senate candidates Herschel Walker and Dr. Mehmet Oz. Plus, a takedown of California Gov. Gavin Newsom and the idea he’s the Democrats’ next presidential frontrunner.

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The gang hit the road this week with a live show from the Avalon Hollywood. To listen to the entire show go to The Next Level at https://thenextlevel.thebulwark.com/p/no-bs-live-la#details.

Part two of the show features our guest, Jon Favreau, host of the Pod Save America podcast. Listen here.

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A new adventure begins for the TNL gang with our new Sunday show! Catch Tim and either JVL or Sarah interview all sorts of guests every Sunday night!The show welcomes actor Adam Brody (The OC, Fleishman Is in Trouble) to discuss his entry into political discourse, his career in Hollywood, and his new movie "Shazam! Fury of the Gods," in theaters March 17th!Watch the gang record this episode here: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zETbAN_KEMk 

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Amanda Carpenter subs in for Sarah to help the boys chastise Tucker Carlson, Kevin McCarthy, Elon Musk and Fox News for their irrespnsible handling of Jan. 6.

Plus, a stunning takedown of No Labels potentially spoiling the 2024 election with third party candidates, and a Tim rant on Andrew Sullivan accusing The Bulwark of wanting Trump to beat DeSantis.

Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-snexk8zoU

And tune in for TNL's new Sunday night show! Featuring a new guest every week!

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Everyone's favorite lunatic Marjorie Taylor Greene thinks the U.S. needs a national divorce. She's an expert on the subject. Plus, Biden's trip to Ukraine on Presidents' Day should be a moment of unity, but MAGA shills like Ron DeSantis are breeding disunity when we most need it.

This episode of The Next Level was recording on February 21, 2023.

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Nikki Haley launches her bid for the presidency and she's the perfect candidate ... for 2015. Are her presidential ambitions pure fantasy? Plus, Elon Musk blows a fuse over Biden's more popular tweet, as Republicans continue losing their minds over Chinese balloons.

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Larry Hogan walks back comments he'd support Trump if he was the GOP's 2024 nominee, while Chris Sununu doubles down. Plus, Nikki Haley's narrow path to victory and the hurdles facing the police reform debate.

This episode of The Next Level was recorded on February 2, 2023.

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Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter could lead to its demise, while Republicans use the platform to spread conspiracy theories about Nancy Pelosi's husband after his assault. Plus, the hosts predict the outcomes of close midterm races one week out from election day.

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Tim shares his experience following Ron DeSantis throughout Florida. Plus, is the crime wave to blame for Lori Lightfoot getting the ax in Chicago? And will Tennessee's drag ban hold up against the First Amendment?

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Paul Ryan, who has never been wrong about the direction of his party, says Trump will not be the GOP's 2024 nominee. Plus, contentious debates in pivotal midterm races were held this week. JVL, Sarah, and Tim give their thoughts.

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The gang finish their road trip with a live show in Seattle this weekend with columnist Dan Savage! Here's what went down!

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Sonny Bunch joins Tim and JVL to talk Republican fury over suggestions to ban gas stoves. Plus, debates on the trajectory of social media and Ron DeSantis’ new education policy.

Join the gang from The Next Level in Hollywood on January 19 and in Seattle on January 21. Learn more here: TheBulwark.com/events

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Sarah, Tim and JVL break down Biden's State of the Union speech. Consensus? The president did what he does best!

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This is part two of our Jan. 19 live show from the Avalon Hollywood with special guest Jon Favreau, former Obama speechwriter and host of Pod Save American. To listen to the entire show go to The Next Level at https://thenextlevel.thebulwark.com/p/bonus-live-from-la-pt-2#details

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Sarah, Tim and JVL took over The Bulwark Podcast! Tim Miller checks in from Turning Point's event in Phoenix on the role of "Gays Against Groomers" in the culture war. Plus, George Santos as Tom Ripley, and the Musk crowd's "Free Speech for Me and Not for Thee."

Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here.

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Ron DeSantis attempts to win over Trump voters by going full anti-vaccine. Is it a good strategy for him? Plus, the Twitter Files continue to drop and same-sex marriage is signed into law. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss!

Join the gang from The Next Level in Seattle this January 21 for an evening of politics and savage love with our special guest Dan Savage. Learn more here.

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Sarah, Tim and JVL unpack the Colorado Springs shooting that killed five people and injured 25 others.

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Can Kevin McCarthy muster enough Republican support to become Speaker of the House after a disappointing midterm? Will any GOP leaders be held accountable for the party's losses? Plus, Kari Lake becomes the latest election denier to be rejected by the voters. Will Saletan joins JVL and Tim to discuss.

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Billy Corben joins Tim and JVL on this bonus episode of The Next Level to discuss his new documentary, "God Forbid: The Sex Scandal That Brought Down a Dynasty,” which focuses on the Jerry Falwell Jr. cuckholding scandal with a pool boy. The documentary premieres Nov. 1 on Hulu.

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JVL, Sarah, and Tim discuss the pathetic populists in the GOP, the odd politicking of Kyrsten Sinema, and the American perception of "furries."

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Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, breakdown campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds.

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