The New Heretics (The New Heretics)

Welcome to The New Heretics Podcast. A podcast made for Ex-cult victims trying to reconstruct their lives and worldview after their reconversion. Join Nick and Logo as they discuss the plans for this show as well as some of their upbringing and background.

Nick and Logo discuss the the different aspects that make something a “Cult”. From the BITE model to the Pop-Culture Understanding of Cult like behaviors and Aesthetics, they go into the nitty gritty details of what makes something “Culty”.

On this episode, Nick and Logo discuss the heavily contentious topic of, “Are Jehovahs Witnesses Christian?” We discuss the differences between a Cult and other Religious groups, and how that impacts their public reception and the impact on individual members lives.

In part 2, Logo and Nick scrutinize Jehovah’s Witnesses’ claim that they are the one true Christian religion and, if so, where were they for 1800 years?

Topics include sola scriptura, apostolic succession, theological baggage, and a new Heretical Haiku.

In part one of Being PIMQ (Physically In, Mentally Questioning), Nick and Logo dive into the notion of doubt. Where does it come from, how does one begin to doubt, and what does that process of questioning look like? From cognitive dissonance to philosophical investigations, what is it like for one to question their own deeply held truths?

A wide-ranging chat with JW Instagram meme artist @1914Hoax aka April [The Apostate] about life as a 5th-generation Jehovah’s Witness, pioneering, the fading process, dating, relationships, disturbing service anecdotes, and much more. Please check out April’s Insta for creative, aesthetically pleasing apostate memes!

In Part 2 of “Being PIMQ,” Logo and Nick discuss a bit of JW news followed by an in-depth recounting of the doubts that ultimately proved too much for them to overcome.

13:13 — Logo’s waking up story

1:06:42 — Nick’s waking up story

In Part 3 of our series Being PIMQ, we rank doubts and conditions for doubting that Jehovah’s Witnesses may encounter from time to time. Our top tier doubts may surprise you — they surprised us as we went through topics like the authority of the Governing Body, the blood transfusion doctrine, disfellowshipping, mistreatment, and many more.

Scott R. Jones joined the podcast to discuss his new auto-fictional novel Drill, a darkly humous and raw story of a mailman who dares to fight God. We discuss the damage caused by growing up as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, how memetic viruses manifest themselves in reality, and what can be done to combat them — and at what cost?

Buy your copy of Drill today.

exJW Ruby joins The New Heretics to advocate for the America First movement and recounts her conversion to Orthodox Christianity post deconstruction. We also discuss the backlash her political shift received within the online exJW community, which led her to start a stream open to right-wing perspectives and debate.

Ruby has also launched a letter writing campaign to President Trump requesting an investigation be done into the abuses of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Join the effort if you are interested here:

exJW Letter Writing Campaign Info

You can also find her at:

* Twitter: https://x.com/NewyorkerRican

* YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NewyorkerRican

Jake from the AltWorldly channel joins the pod to discuss the life and lore of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as well as many of the downstream consequences of being a multigenerational cult member.

Topics include JW urban legends, finding philosophical grounding post-deconversion, coping with shunning and family dynamics, as well as the various ways to navigate deconstruction. There’s also a poem and a lot of tangents + laughing.

Check out Jake’s creative and incisive exJW content on YouTube @altworldly

Philosophy YouTuber Emerson Green joins Nick and Logo to "steelman" Mormonism from a secular perspective. Christians and others in the West often malign The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as "Christianity with a bunch of weird stuff."

But is that fair? Is Mormonism really weirder or less plausible than mainline Christianity?

Included is a critique of a recent video released by YouTube channel Capturing Christianity that attacks Mormonism with flawed and hypocritical arguments typical of Christian apologetics:

Check out more of Emerson's witty, good-faith philosophical and counter-apologetic content on

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCqBy2TfJbYXjqBL3cQOFUig

Twitter: https://x.com/waldenpod

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/emersongreen

Nick and Logo are joined by business executive and mindfulness enjoyer Patrick Butler to discuss his deconversion process out of fundamentalist Christianity and what he's taken from Buddhist thought.

Specific information about mindfulness practice begins around the 1:48:00 mark. Other helpful resources mentioned in the conversation:

"When Things Fall Apart" by Pema Chodron https://a.co/d/ctoTbZF

Jack Kornfield https://jackkornfield.com/

Thich Nhat Hanh https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh