The F Word at Work (Fertility Matters at Work )

Welcome to part three of this bumper podcast episode which is sharing our Diversity and Inclusion in Fertility Round Table conversation which was held on Zoom on 8th November 2022 with the aim to help you understand how many different people are impacted by fertility challenges in a number of different ways and also to give you a better understanding of the how these communities who are impacted. If you’ve not listened to Parts 1 & 2 yet, that's fine although we do suggest you give them a listen to give you a better context of the conversation. 

In this final section, we are starting to address some of the areas of intersectionality as Fertility is not one-dimensional but intersects with many of the other challenges that workplaces face when it comes to the Diversity and Inclusion agenda. One of the important nuances to consider is in relation to the impact cultural aspects have on people who are facing fertility challenges and in this final part of our conversation we spoke with  Dr Christine Ekechi, Co-Chair of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists’ Race Equality Taskforce and Noni Martins, a fertility patient and founder of Unfertility, supporting black women to break the silence, stigma & shame around unconventional fertility journeys.  

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Welcome to the latest episode of The F Word at Work to mark World Childless Week 2023 and in this conversation you'll be hearing firstly from our expert speaker, Katy Schnitzler founder of MIST Workshops about the research she's been doing around the childless community and the conversations we've been facilitating together. Our first guest is anonymous as she is sharing an extremely personal account of how she wasn't able to have a child - which was part of a session Fertility Matters at Work hosted for Zurich Insurance, we then spoke with Dr Robin Hadley an experienced early-career researcher renowned for his expertise in the intersection of male childlessness and the aging process.

What we discussed:

• Dealing with expectations of how life would be - Marriage, expectations, and pressures to have children.
• Emotional strain, arguments, and discussions about starting a family.
• Feeling pressure due to colleagues' pregnancy announcements.
• Enduring years of abusive behavior due to her desire to have a child.
• Escaping an abusive marriage at the age of 40.
• Finding a new partner and experiencing pregnancy loss.
• Repeated miscarriages, emergency surgeries, and medical searches for answers.
• Experiencing physical, mental, and emotional exhaustion.
• Coping with colleagues' questions and well-intentioned but insensitive advice.
• Challenges of sharing personal struggles at the workplace.
• Recognizing the need for a voice for those involuntarily childless.
• Encountering a lack of understanding and insensitive comments.
• Advocating for sensitivity and understanding towards those who are childless.
• Acknowledging the need for proactive support within organizations.
• Highlighting the impact of infertility and childlessness on individuals' lives.
• Encouraging organizations to embrace inclusivity and support for diverse life circumstances
• Dr. Robin Hadley shared his expertise in social gerontology, male childlessness, and aging.
• The rarity of having an in-person podcast recording compared to virtual conversations.
• The significance of World Childlessness Week and the importance of discussing male perspectives on childlessness and aging.
• Statistics about childlessness: One in four men and one in five women are childless, projected rise in childlessness among the over-65 population.
• The concept of "non-category" childlessness and the lack of recognition in academia and policy.
• Factors contributing to childlessness: partner choice, partner changing, timing of relationships, events, and economics.
• Differentiating between "child-free" and "involuntary childlessness."
• The impact of societal norms on men's emotional expression and vulnerability.
• Men's fear of humiliation and societal conditioning around masculinity.
• Disenfranchised grief related to involuntary childlessness and the lack of recognition of this type of grief.
• The emotional challenges and lack of narrative for men experiencing childlessness.
• The association of parenthood and how it's often focused on women, leaving men with limited narratives.
• The impact of childlessness on the workplace, including assumptions, responsibilities, and biases.
• Potential issues for childless men in the workplace: filling in for others with children, lack of recognition, and increased workload.
• Lack of recognition of men's fertility challenges, even in their 30s and 40s.
• Workplace considerations for childless men: acknowledging their experiences, offering support, and addressing

Well, we made it through our first series of The F Word at Work and we can't thank you enough for listening. We'd love to hear your throughts so if you're listening to this in Apple or Spotify, please do take the time to follow this podcast and also leave us a review. We'll be back in June with Series 2, talking about the new surrogacy reform bill, as well as sharing more wise words from our members about the work they're doing and thought leadership on Mental Health at Work, make sure you've subscribed. This episode is the perfect finale to our series, a conversation with one of our trainers Katy Schnitzler, founder of Mist about her research and training around pregnancy loss and childlessness.

**Trigger warning as we talk about pregnancy loss in this episode **

This is another taboo topic within the workplace, that needs to be better understood and supported and we know you will learn a lot from what she shares.

What was discussed:

• Research into pregnancy loss
• How Katy set up a consultancy to share her research 
• How employers need training alongside policy
• How shocking some of the insensitive reactions were from line managers
• The comments that people say in general about pregnancy loss
• People are unsure of how to react to pregnancy loss - due to the taboo 
• Communication training is well received - helping people what to say
• Not assumption forming - that everyone experiences pregnancy in the same way
• If there isn’t a policy it implies you can’t speak about pregnancy loss 
• How PTSD affects someone who has experiences pregnancy loss, panic attacks 
• 1 in 6 people women show symptoms of PTSD as a result of pregnancy loss 
• How men feel overlooked - therefore the training covers the impact on partners as they are ignored 
• The language used for those around those who don’t have children
• How someone was told they didn’t get the job as the person who did had ‘more supervision’ as they’re a parent
• How working from home requests have been designed as people don’t have children 

We refer to an episode of The Fertility Podcast, which is an interview with Dr Jessica Farren about her research which you can listen to here podcast link 

We also talk about Jody Day and I've shared another episode from The Fertility Podcast here which is Jody talking about why we need to talk about childless women differently. Have a listen.

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Greetings and welcome to a brand new episode of The F Word at Work. Before we kick things off, we genuinely value your feedback, so kindly consider leaving us a review on the platform you're using to listen, whether it's Apple or Spotify.

 Now, in this episode, we have the pleasure of being joined by Emma Flaxman. Emma's career had been centered around marketing for many years. However, in 2019, she received a remarkable opportunity to become a mental health first-aid volunteer, which proved to be a life-changing decision, eventually leading her to her current role in a PhD position.

A deeply personal reason drove Flaxman to seize this chance as she had experienced the harrowing possibility of losing her sister to suicide ten years prior. The mental health training inspired her to establish MINDS, the first DE&I Group within Ph.D. As a result, she was soon entrusted with the responsibility of overseeing Wellbeing content for the entire parent group, Omnicom Media Group (OMG).

Within her Wellbeing role, Emma created a range of resources to educate employees on the impact of mental illness on work. She initiated projects like the Open Letters series, aiming to foster open conversations about mental health experiences among Ph.D. employees. She also made mental health training mandatory for all employees, previously an optional initiative, and passionately advocated for new benefits, such as providing free therapy to all employees. This move gained overwhelming support, with Ph.D. boasting the highest number of sign-ups for this program compared to any other agency within OMG.

What we discussed:

● Introduction to the podcast and the guest, Emma Flaxman.

● Emma's background and roles as a wellbeing partner at PhD, a UK media agency.

● Emma's blog, "Insanely Normal," and her mission to promote mental health awareness in the UK.

● Emma's recent journey to becoming a mental health advocate, starting with her training as a Mental Health First Aider in 2019.

● Emma's personal motivation, as her sister's struggles with mental health inspired her to help others.

● The increase in mental health-related calls after her training, and the insights she gained from the data collected during those calls.

● Discussion on workplace support for mental health and the role of workplace wellbeing.

● Comparison of experiences in promoting mental health in the workplace between the host's project, Fertility Matters at Work, and Emma's initiatives.

● The importance of data and evidence in making a business case for workplace wellbeing.

● The relationship between building a positive workplace culture and the mental health of employees.

● The importance of mental health support in the workplace and the impact of COVID-19 on mental health discussions.

● The role of managers in promoting mental health and wellbeing in the workplace.

● The need for proactive mental health support and the shift from reactive to proactive approaches.

● Challenges in discussing and disclosing mental health issues, particularly in relation to fertility issues.

● Strategies for smaller organizations to address mental health without extensive resources.

● The importance of role modeling and leadership in creating a psychologically safe environment.

● The significance of education and understanding different aspects of wellness, including physical, nutrition, and mental health.

● Emma's personal experience with burnout and the importance of setting boundaries and prioritizing self-care.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work where we join Helen Letchfield co-founder of P&P coaching which she set up in 2009 based on her personal experience of the startling transition of moving from being a professional with a senior role, to a sleep-deprived, brand-new, home-alone parent – and then back again into the world of organisational politics and career demands – all on reduced hours. In this thought-provoking conversation Helen shares her insights on what has changed in the workplace well-being space over the last 16 years and what she thinks are key trends for 2023.

What was discussed:

• Primary and Secondary caregivers
• What has changed over the last 16 years in terms of workplaces understanding wellbeing - more about legal cases
• Now it’s around helping everyone back into the workplace after becoming parents 
• What it means to be a family-friendly supporting organisation 
• Importance of making people feel welcomed and supported at work
• Progressive organisations are using that for an attraction and retentions tool
• How the pandemic has helped to shifted the awareness around looking after new parents and leadership develop
• How post-pandemic both Mums and Dads were asking for flexibility ch
• How virtual sessions have enabled a greater reach with people feeling happier as they are able to have these conversations at home 
• The choice of partitioner can be determined by the coach, not location 
• Why employers are worried about giving ‘managers’ more to do - as senior managers hadn’t done the role play needed to coach middle managers - there was a skill and knowledge gap
• Didn’t realise the impact it has to be supportive
• How organisations are now more ready to look at the whole cycle - happy to look more at what family-friendly means - including looking at fertility issues and menopause, gendered ageism. 
• How different organisations in different sectors are in different places in terms of taking this whole conversation.
• Finance and Law sectors - lead the way, now more male-heavy, male-dominated sectors such as manufacturing are coming to talk about these issues as they are recognising the need. 
• Fertility keeps coming up time and time again as people recognise they want to break the taboo 
• Need to support HR, D&I, Managers in taking on these new roles 
• Ensure that initiates are put out for men and women
• Create an equal playing field 
• Trends in 2023 - work to prove that this work does support the attraction and retention route
• Gendered ageism - the impact on the over 50’s and the importance of this population 
• Making sure managers don’t make assumptions about anyone’s circumstances 

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Welcome to the first episode of The F Word at Work for 2023, where all three co-founders Natalie, Becky and Claire have come together to reflect on what was an epic 2022, and to tell you bit about what is in store in 2023 and why becoming fertility friendly should be a key part of your wellbeing strategy with good reason. 

What was discussed

• Going to Parliament for the launch of Nickie Aiken’s Fertility Workplace pledge and to further discuss the work we have done to support the Parliamentary Bill for paid time off for it to become a statutory right for paid time of fertility treatment appointments 
• How our business has grown in it’s first year
• The impact we’ve been having and the many thank you’s we’ve been receiving
• Our nomination for the New Statesman Positive Impact award and meeting Joeli Brearly from Pregnant then Screwed
• Why focusing on this area of well-being will benefit your organisation and the ROI will be that good people want to come and work for you and stay working for you as they are properly supported by you as you can empathise with them due to having a better understanding of the impact of fertility treatment on all people needing it to grow their families. 
• When we’re talking about paid time off and people needing to go to appointments, we’re not asking for days and days meaning an organisation isn’t going to be able to function, we’re talking about flexibility.
• There’s already a cost to business as if people are going to go through it whether they can get paid time off or not. It’s much easier to manage planned time off rather than someone just going off sick.
• Important to understand that with fertility rates declining this issue of people needing help to have a baby isn’t going away
• The ongoing issue of Intended Parents not being included in workplace policies.
• How different generations of workforce need different things
• Our exciting press coverage in ITV News and Red Magazine
• How we’re going to be working with Liberty’s
• The issue for Intended Parents not being included in workplace policies.
• Northern Power Women Awards nomination for Small Organisation category

Are you ready to discuss your plans for 2023, even if you’re not quite ready to start, lets talk about how you can move forward in helping those going through it and uphill your managers, Mental Health first aiders, ensure your HR team fully understand and the right kind of language is being used in policies and guidance. 

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Welcome to episode 3 of The F Word at Work from Fertility Matters at Work ( FMAW) which we are sharing with you one week after the three of us, Natalie, Becky and Claire went to Parliament to join our guest Nickie Aiken as she launched the Fertility Workplace Pledge. Nickie is the Conservative MP for the Cities of London and Westminster and along with the pledge, is bringing forward a private members bill for people undergoing fertility treatment.

The episode was recorded in the summer following the first reading of Fertility Treatment (Employment rights ) bill and was a conversation between Nickie, Natalie ( FMAW) and Kate Davies who is our medical advisor at FMAW. Thanks once again to our series sponsor Apricity.

 What was discussed:

• How Nickie learnt of this issue from one of her constituents who was forced out of a job and had to agree on a NDA which left a nasty taste in her mouth and she came to Nickie as she didn’t want anyone else going through it.  
• How it’s the last taboo when it comes to maternal services 
• The misconception is that IVF is needed solely by career women in their 40s who have had their careers and now want a career, but it also affects women in their 20s and 30s.  
• How she hopes to ensure colleagues can support others who might be going through it
• How Nickie was surprised to be talking to a big company who she spoke to about the Bill and they were surprised they didn’t have a policy  
• Whilst there isn’t an employment bill that this can slot into and whilst ideally we shouldn’t need a law, Nickie highlights why we need a law in order for people to be better supported.  
• Following the first reading of the Bill has happened Nicky did a speech in Parliament which you can read here
• Within the Women’s Health Strategy launched earlier in the summer, Nickie made sure IVF and fertility treatment was included and she believes this means the argument about women’s health is a priority has been won.  
• Baroness Anne Jenkins made a speech listing every medical situation a girl goes through.  
• Launch of the Fertility Workplace Pledge  
• What Nickie thinks the impact of the Write to your MP campaign  will be

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Welcome to part three of this bumper podcast episode which is sharing our Diversity and Inclusion in Fertility Round Table conversation which was held on Zoom on 8th November 2022 with the aim to help you understand how many different people are impacted by fertility challenges in a number of different ways and also to give you a better understanding of the how these communities who are impacted. If you’ve not listened to Parts 1 & 2 yet, that's fine although we do suggest you give them a listen to give you a better context of the conversation. 

In this final section, we are starting to address some of the areas of intersectionality as Fertility is not one-dimensional but intersects with many of the other challenges that workplaces face when it comes to the Diversity and Inclusion agenda. One of the important nuances to consider is in relation to the impact cultural aspects have on people who are facing fertility challenges and in this final part of our conversation we spoke with  Dr Christine Ekechi, Co-Chair of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists’ Race Equality Taskforce and Noni Martins, a fertility patient and founder of Unfertility, supporting black women to break the silence, stigma & shame around unconventional fertility journeys.  

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Welcome to something a little different on The Fertility Podcast feed... introducing The F Word at Work, which is where I ( Natalie ) have been hanging out in my role as co-founder of Fertility Matters at Work

The aim of The F Word at Work has been to create a very niche voice around the issue of fertility in the workplace, to educate HR / Managers / Mental Health First Aiders and all colleagues to be honest about what its like trying to cope with family building challenges whilst doing your job.

Our research shows that only 1.7% of companies have policies and 36% of us have considered leaving our jobs due to a lack of support and whilst we're working hard to change this at Fertility Matters at Work, we still have a lot to do.

The aim of the podcast is to be another place to talk and I've been sharing best practice of the organisations we're working with, hearing from some of the inspiring employees who have driven the conversation forward in their place of work and also talking to thought leaders within the workplace wellbeing space about how they feel the issue of infertility is represented in the workplace and what more needs to be done.

The reason I'm sharing this content on The Fertility Podcast feed is to help you have these conversations at work and I hope that within the episodes you get some ideas.. this may be around how to talk to your manager or it may be about engaging colleagues to form a support group. Whatever it is, its hopefully a nudge to do something.. even if that's just forwarding on an episode to a manager or colleague.

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Welcome to episode 2 of the F Word at Work podcast, where all three co-founders, Natalie, Becky and Claire are here once again to discuss male infertility and how traditional gender roles play a huge part in why men are less likely to discuss or seek help for their mental health and what the workplace can do to address this issue. We'll be talking with our guest Shaun Greenaway, a male fertility advocate who was diagnosed with azoospermia due to having Mumps in his 20s. After having to go through invasive procedures whilst working for the Met Police, Shaun had to go down the donor conception route to have his family. His experience has had a profound effect on him and he is now a proud Dad of twins and the founder of Knackered Knackers where he is continuing to build an amazing support platform for men dealing with infertility.

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 What was discussed: 

• Shaun talks about the difficulties to open up in a male-dominated work environment and how he felt if he did he would be ‘cannon fodder’
• He hid the appointments with multiple dentist appointments - but how many can you realistically have 
• How infertility is always seen as a female issue, especially in the workplace
• Shaun’s experience was a positive one once he finally disclosed to his male counterparts 
• He still didn’t feel confident sharing with all of his colleagues due to how society behaves around Men showing vulnerability
• He decided to set up Knackered Knackered his own support group which has grown from strength to strength 
• How more needs to be done around the stigma of men talking about these issues 

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Welcome to the latest episode of The F Word at Work, where we’re once again sharing a conversation from our F Word at Work series we shared on zoom in 2022. Here we’re speaking to Noni Martins, Noni is Zimbabwean British and her husband is Nigerian British and the pair have been trying to conceive for five years. Three years ago, they discovered that they needed IVF and they thought the issue initially was a male factor however further investigation has shown its a female factor. Noni and her husband are still on their journey and Noni has been doing amazing work as a blogger and a podcaster and she has built an amazing support network for black women called Unfertility It aims destigmatize this conversation within the black community and help overcome some of the shame and all the other kinds of hurdles that people have in their way when it comes to accessing treatment.

What was discussed: 

• How a huge part of Noni's upbringing was 'to be a wife'
• When she got married they had already started trying, but by year 2, still wasn’t happening
• She had grown up surrounded by a hyper-fertile idea that getting pregnant was easy
• Big part of her identity as an African girl was to have children , therefore she had a serious sense of shame. 
• Had pelvic pain in 3rd year which was when a nurse suggested she had more investigations 
• Catapulted into the world of IVF and all the focus on Noni she hadn’t mentioned her husband had been a dialysis patient - diagnosed with male factor
• Overwhelm of 3 failed cycles
• Her work was supportive and her husband was supportive but it took him a while to talk about his feelings. 
• Impact of Christmas and how it made them feel not being parents - how her husband actually talked about how he felt 
• Noni’s decision to talk about their experience publicly has helped with the unwanted questions from family yet people still make assumptions. 
• Difficulty in ‘answering back’ to comments made as it’s not part of her culture to explain that someone has said something offensive, as it's easier to say nothing than deal with the consequences of saying something. 
• How she felt about talking about her treatment at work over time 
• How she had to step back from her social presence as it wasn’t working for her, affecting her mental health 

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work in this episode we're talking about how a change can come about in support of fertility struggles, from employees driving the change. You'll hear two amazing examples. The first is Natalie Sutherland from Burgess Mee, who is the UK's first 'Fertility Officer' and has led the way for her firm to become the UK's first organisation to become 'fertility friendly' with our accreditation. Then you'll hear from Kelly-Anne Morris, an employee at Cadent Gas who we've just launched our services with.

What we discussed:   

• Kelly needed to have her fallopian tubes removed, so knew she was going to need treatment when she was ready to build her family.  
• Once she met her partner and was ready, she looked to see what policies what was available - she had a supportive manage yet nothing was written, so the approach wasn’t consistent 
• Women In Cadent - had leads on improvements within the workforce which is where Kelly got involved which was how she got involved in meetings.  
• Started speaking about IVF  - doing a survey to find out about other people’s experiences 
• First person she spoke to was in HR - at the time there was a lot of change happening in the company 
• Now at a point where all family provisions policies are being reviewed.  
• It takes time to find the right people 
• As Kelly was trying to put content together - she realised how much support she needed, such as regarding the LGBTQ communuty  
• How she came to FMAW for facts and figures  
• How it can be challenging at times, questioning whether she’s doing it right and has time to give it her full attention - when she doubts herself and then gets an email to thank her for what she’s been doing.  
• News articles from people sharing their stories have been mixed genders ( including Men in leadership )  
• Fertility Focus policy also cover partners - eg. if the Man works at Cadent and his partner doesn’t they hope to support the person wanting to accompany their partner.  

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Welcome to the final episode in this series of The F Word at Work, where we discuss mental health at work, and its prevalence regarding the topic of fertility in the workplace. We're delighted to be in conversation with Simon Blake, CEO of MHFA England® and a leading voice in mental health advocacy.

With a passion for driving social change, Simon champions diversity and community support. As Chair of the Dying Matters Campaign, he continues his commitment to promoting holistic wellbeing.

Here's a glimpse into our conversation:

• Over 300,000 mental health first aiders are now active in the UK, with one in 40 adults receiving training. We delve into the impact of this training and how it has evolved over the years.
• Mental health takes centre stage alongside physical health concerns, emphasizing its crucial role in creating a healthy work environment.
• We explore the importance of using inclusive language and fostering supportive behaviours when discussing both fertility issues and mental health.
• The importance of listening and offering support, rather than trying to "fix" someone's situation.
• Learn about the valuable resources available for Mental Health Awareness Week and how these can support the fertility conversations in the workplace.
• We learn about Mental Health First Aid England's mission to provide training and consultancy on mental health awareness and support.
• Understand what mental health first aid is and its role in the workplace, including recognizing signs and symptoms of mental health issues, providing initial support, and signposting individuals to appropriate resources.
• The importance of creating a workplace culture where employees feel safe, supported, and have a sense of belonging, especially in the wake of the pandemic's impact on mental well-being.
• We explore the "My Whole Self" campaign, which emphasizes the need for dismantling the stigma surrounding fertility challenges and their connection to mental health.
• The importance of well-being check-ins and the need for managers to be trained in supporting employee well-being. It also recognizes the fear of missteps in difficult conversations and emphasizes building trust with employees.
• How mental health first aiders can empower managers and employees to address mental health and well-being concerns, including those related to fertility challenges.
• The importance of psychological safety in the workplace is highlighted and how mental health first aid training empowers individuals to support their colleagues, fostering a positive work environment.
• We conclude by reflecting on the rewarding aspects of MHFA England's work. This includes the widespread impact of training, the stories of individuals using their skills to help others, and the dedication of mental health first aiders in creating positive workplace cultures.

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Welcome to the latest episode of The F Word at Work coming to you for National Fertility Awareness Week 2023.

We're really excited to be able to share something that has been shaped by our hard work within the workplace wellbeing space over the last two years as we've really gained a lot of knowledge from the many conversations we've had with organisations looking to implement support and the range of policies we've now seen, so to mark the week we've launching a brilliant new download for you to use to shape your workplace policy and our three co-founders Becky, Natalie and Claire have a chat about it. We also caught up with Fran Steyn, VP of Clinical at Peppy healthcare about new research they are sharing for the week about the impact fertility issues have on people's working life.

What was discussed:

• What you can expect from our policy guidance document - Claire talks about how she approached it from the patient as well as an HR Professional
• Our aim was to give people a boost in their understanding 
• How this should help HR have an honest conversation with employees - to ask them what they need
• We hope organisations can use it to put their own stamp on it
• Stats included to ensure people understand the scale of this conversation 
• Key for managers, HR or the person going through it - that if the policy isn’t relevant, isn’t inclusive, doesn’t validate what you are going through how that will impact your first reaction as to whether you feel your organisation will support you to encourage disclosure
• Lived experience can help the document in terms of tone and really helps it come to life - when this hasn’t been the case we’ve had to give feedback on the lack of warmth and empathy and the policy can be too formal
• People will want to know what they are entitled too - yet the sensitive nature of the topic means it’s important to compose this in a sensitive and considered way, so its holistic 
• Be aware of cold language for this topic - it’s essential for this life event, like you would approach policies about
• Inclusive policies are key - ensuring Intended Parents are referred to in policy, be careful about referring to those going down the surrogacy route that they’re not signposted to the Adoption policy. 
• Understand who is impacted by Surrogacy 
• How to support the Childless not by Choice community - recognise that fertility treatment doesn’t always result in a baby. Ensure that those people are recognised in terms of their experiences and signposted to support. 
• Making provisions clear in terms of leave for appointments and will it be paid, ensure practical elements are included
• Hard to say average amount. We’ve seen a variety of days given and we advise there to be some flexibility that it doesn’t just have to be in days but it can also be in hours. 
• There can be non-financial things done as well. 
• Peppy Findings aimed to highlight what was going in terms of access - in relation to the cost of living crisis, the stresses within the access to funding on the NHS and the impact on people’s lives. 
• More people are aware of fertility issues and how that’s not just about IVF but also PCOS and Endometriosis and

Welcome to episode 2 of the F Word at Work podcast, where all three co-founders, Natalie, Becky and Claire are here once again to discuss male infertility and how traditional gender roles play a huge part in why men are less likely to discuss or seek help for their mental health and what the workplace can do to address this issue. We'll be talking with our guest Shaun Greenaway, a male fertility advocate who was diagnosed with azoospermia due to having Mumps in his 20s. After having to go through invasive procedures whilst working for the Met Police, Shaun had to go down the donor conception route to have his family. His experience has had a profound effect on him and he is now a proud Dad of twins and the founder of Knackered Knackers where he is continuing to build an amazing support platform for men dealing with infertility.

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 What was discussed: 

• Shaun talks about the difficulties to open up in a male-dominated work environment and how he felt if he did he would be ‘cannon fodder’
• He hid the appointments with multiple dentist appointments - but how many can you realistically have 
• How infertility is always seen as a female issue, especially in the workplace
• Shaun’s experience was a positive one once he finally disclosed to his male counterparts 
• He still didn’t feel confident sharing with all of his colleagues due to how society behaves around Men showing vulnerability
• He decided to set up Knackered Knackered his own support group which has grown from strength to strength 
• How more needs to be done around the stigma of men talking about these issues 

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Welcome to Series 3 of The F Word at Work where we'd love your support and feedback so please do hit follow and if possible leave a review in the app you are listening to.

In this episode, we are joined by Caroline Noublanche, the CEO and co-founder of the world’s first virtual fertility set-up called Apricity discussing the evolving landscape of fertility benefits, their importance, implementation challenges, and innovative solutions to support employees through their fertility journey.

What we discussed:

• How Facebook was among the first to offer fertility benefits in 2014, followed by other tech giants like Google and Apple. Recently, companies in the UK, such as NatWest, Monzo, and Marks and Spencer, have also started offering these benefits.
• How FMAW’s work is to help organizations understand family-building challenges and support employees going through fertility treatments.
• Caroline explains the workings of fertility benefits explaining how they are compensation packages to support employees through their fertility journey.
• The workings of fertility benefits - how they can include health insurance coverage or cash allowances and are important for attracting and retaining talent, improving productivity, and promoting diversity and inclusion.
• How companies often inquire about the implementation, cost, and coverage of fertility benefits.
• The need to address misconceptions, such as the idea that offering egg-freezing benefits encourages women to prioritize their careers over family planning.
• How Apricity's virtual approach to fertility treatment minimizes disruption to a person's working day and providing constant support through its innovative technologies.
• How it can be both HR professionals who drive discussions around fertility benefits as well as employees with lived experience of fertility struggles who advocate for these benefits.
• The US is more advanced in offering fertility benefits, with about 40% of employers providing them. The UK is approximately three years behind but is gradually catching up, especially among large international companies.
• How organizations may be apprehensive about the cost of implementing fertility benefits, however, innovative approaches, such as utilization-based insurance and partnerships with insurance companies, can help alleviate financial burdens on employees.
• Fertility benefits extend beyond financial assistance. Virtual clinics like Apricity offer convenience, better outcomes, and reduced disruption to employees' lives, addressing physical, emotional, and financial aspects of fertility treatment.
• Both Fertility Matters at Work and Apricity offer educational workshops and resources to help organizations understand and implement fertility benefits effectively.

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Welcome to the first episode of The F Word at Work, a conversation for busy HR, D&I and well-being leads with the aim to open your minds to the vast topic of fertility at work and why it really matters for employees and businesses too.

Today you'll hear from all three co-founders Natalie Silverman, (your host) Becky Kearns and Claire Ingle sharing their thoughts on this new podcast series and what it is setting our to achieve and you'll hear our first conversation with a thought leader within the workplace wellbeing space, Zoe Sinclair, founder of Employees Matter.

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What was discussed:

• The origins of Employees Matter
• How This Can Happen came about - the workplace mental health conference
• How these well-being and mental health conversations evolve
• How workplaces overcome fears of using certain language, such as 'stress'.
• The response to putting our workplace webinar on suicide from the huge number of organisations that signed up to be on the call and how many people shared their experiences.
• What is happening in terms of new conversations - how organisations are viewing the family-building conversation
• What companies need to think about to manage it all.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work where we're sharing one of our original zoom conversations broadcast in 2022. An enlightening conversation with Mike Johnson-Ellis one half of Two Dads UK with his partner Wes and the pair have founded My Surrogacy Journey (MSJ) and the Modern Family Show. At Fertility Matters at Work we're delighted to be working in partnership with MSJ and you can find out more about what that looks like by having a listen.

What was discussed:

The lack of empathy that Mike expereinced when he talked to his work about his plans.

How they had no understanding of infertility or why he would want to attend appointments with his Surrogate

How Mike had no emotional support, nobody asked him what he needed or what he was going through

His colleagues were far to afraid of saying the wrong thing so they said nothing resulting in Mike not getting any support and feeling the pressure of doing his job as he was distracted by what he was going through. t

How everyone in his work environment couldn't believe he wanted a baby

The Toxic masculinity

Lack of awareness in organisations - 10 years on from when same sex marriages became legal. At that point in time businesses should have started thinking about what that would mean and what people would need and they didn't.

How a basic employment skill is knowing your business and your people and the importance of how we learn by our curiosity - asking people within an organisation what they need support with

Why surrogacy fills people with fear -it's not just for same-sex couples it is for women who can't carry

Explaination of Intended Parents (IP's)

How organisations who proudly say they support LBGT communications - need to ask themselves has the conversation has gone deep enough to find out what they really need

Lack of people talking about policies so we need there to be more conversations

Use staff networks, ideas captures, and forums involving different groups. to raise awareness of this and get the conversation started, you can do it anonymously

The issue with the use of word adoption being used when people are going through surrogacy, you aren't adopting it you are having a biological child

Policies are very heteronormative

Why surrogacy fills people with fear -it's not just for same-sex couples it is for women who can't carry

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Welcome to Part Two of this bumper podcast episode which is sharing our Diversity and Inclusion in Fertility Round Table conversation which was held on Zoom on 8th November 2022 with the aim to help you understand how many different people are impacted by fertility challenges in a number of different ways and also to give you a better understanding of the how these communities who are impacted. 

We know that this affects 1 in 6 couples, 1 in 7 individuals and that the World Health Org defines infertility as a “disease of the reproductive system”. As you will hear, fertility treatment is also needed for social reasons, and as such is a necessary medical treatment to enable people to have a child, not a simple lifestyle choice as it is sometimes portrayed. Sometimes this is the only way for people to have a chance of a child, it’s also important to be aware that it isn’t a guarantee.

Here we discuss what employers need to know about being inclusive of other less commonly known paths to parenthood, such as solo parenthood, donor conception, adoption and then moving on to Surrogacy. The assumption when we think about fertility treatment is IVF – and normally with two people involved.  

You will hear conversations with Mel Johnson, HR Professional and Founder of The Stork and the UK’s first and only Solo Parenthood Coach and  Nicole Narracott, Adoptive Parent and Senior Business Change Manager. We also discuss how organisations can usualise, be inclusive of and supportive of LGBTQ+ family building with discussions with Wes Johnson Ellis, Co-founder of TwoDads UK, My Surrogacy Journey and the Modern Family Show and Laura-Rose Thorogood, founder of LGBT Mummies  

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Welcome to The F Word at Work - we share highligts of another epic week the night before we are attending the Northern Power Women awards ( fingers crossed by the time you hear this we've won!) We also mention the This Can Happen conference we're speaking at this week.

So we've got a few remaining episodes to share in this series, so we're going to be focusing on best practices from our clients. We're having more and more conversations with companies keen to offer training to their people leaders and ensure those going through fertility issues are better supported, which is so exciting for us as a start-up. Today we're delighted to share this conversation with Jo Riddell of Selfridges, Head of ER, Policy and Wellbeing.

Did you know that Selfridges is actually the first company that Fertility Matters at Work signed? Jo explains how she first heard about us and the amazing feedback Selfridges is getting as a result of the work they are doing.

We're delighted to share that Selfridges are now a fertility friendly accredited ™️ employer ( updated 12/3/2024 )

 What we discussed: 

• What led the drive for Selfridges to become fertility-friendly
• How Selfridges launched it's fertility friendly activity with a launch panel with a senior lead, talking about her expereince of pregnancy loss.
• The feedback they have been receiving since working with Fertility Matters at Work
• The impact of this education and how it is created an more supportive environment for colleagues.
• Selfridges plans for further awareness raising events.
• How representation is important
• How Selfridges have used surveys to gain employee feedback
• How employees and team members tend to share their feedback privately. 
• Selfridges relaunched its internal support network called, Family Matters to encourage people to share their stories. 
• Use of the Yama app to help them communicate and support each other despite the diversity and size of their organization. 
• How they ensure people feel comfortable and safe and that they are not judged regardless of what they are going through. 
• How Selfridges evaluated its policies to meet the different needs of its team members. 
• How using their social media to highlight this work has benefited their attraction and retention
• Selfridges aim to become fertility accredited this year. 
• How Selfridges wants to continue the conversation and to keep on looking for what’s next they can offer and how they’d be able to give support to their teams. 
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Welcome to the latest episode of The F Word at Work, where you'll be hearing some throughts from our members, as in July 2023, we held of first in person round table event to bring together our members to share what they had been doing to implement the support from us here at Fertility Matters at Work.

We had three presentations from some of our accredited members, Cadent Gas - who received their Fertility Friendly accreditation in March 2023, the first utilites company to do so, Burgess Mee Family Law, who were the very first of our members to gain their Fertility Friendly Accreditation and the first law firm to do so and Cornwall Council, the first local authority to receive a Fertility Friendly Accreditation so as you see there are companies making waves within their sector with this type of wellbeing activity.

What was discussed:

• Awareness raising
• Training
• Implementing policy and guidance
• Building internal peer-to-peer support
• How having the different insights from the different sectors is really helpful

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Welcome to this bumper podcast episode which is sharing our Diversity and Inclusion in Fertility Round Table conversation which was held on Zoom on 8th November 2022 with the aim to help you understand how many different people are impacted by fertility challenges in a number of different ways and also to give you a better understanding of the how these communities who are impacted. 

By inclusion we want you to start thinking about how you can ensure that any support you put in place for fertility is inclusive in both language and action. It’s about understanding your people and communities and how to create sustainable positive change that will represent and benefit those communities going forwards.  

In the first part of this conversation we’ll hear from  Emma Persand, Director of Lemur Health, qualified nurse and workplace health and wellbeing professional and Lina Chan, CEO and founder of Parla, a digital health company supporting people on their reproductive life journeys from periods to fertility and menopause with expert-led programmes and workshops discussing Reproductive Health and Wellbeing regarding Cis women and anyone with a uterus as it is this group that are predominantly the ones who have physical treatment and need to be present at all appointments, they’re affected by medication side effects and quite often can be all-consumed by the process.

We also spoke with Tom Webb, Director of The Easy Bit documentary Shaun Greenaway founder of Knackered Knackers, Male Support platform to discuss the importance of including and empowering men within the fertility conversation, with a focus on the cis-male experience of pressures from societal narratives leading to toxic masculinity and stigma. 

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work! This is our How to Support Your Colleague series, designed for managers, senior leaders, and HR professionals to gain insights into the challenges colleagues may face while navigating their journeys to parenthood. This episode coincides with PCOS Awareness Month, and we aim to shed light on how PCOS can impact individuals in the workplace. 

We’re delighted to welcome Kate Davis, our medical advisor at Fertility Matters at Work. Kate is an independent fertility nurse consultant and the host of The Fertility Podcast. She has been instrumental in raising awareness of various reproductive health challenges, including menstrual health and PCOS. 

Here’s a glimpse into our conversation: 

• Kate explains what polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) is and how it can affect individuals physically and emotionally. She discusses its symptoms, including hormonal imbalances, weight issues, and self-esteem challenges. 
• We explore the emotional toll that a PCOS diagnosis can have on individuals, especially regarding their self-esteem and mental health in the workplace. Kate highlights how these factors can impact job performance and overall well-being. 
• Kate shares insights on how PCOS is managed, including lifestyle changes and ovulation medications. We discuss the importance of understanding the length of individuals’ journeys and the challenges they may face at work. 
• We provide guidance on how individuals can approach conversations with their managers about PCOS. Kate offers practical language to use, emphasising that it’s okay to maintain privacy while still seeking support. 
• We discussed the need for employers to foster an inclusive environment that acknowledges the complexities of reproductive health issues. Kate encourages open dialogue and understanding to better support colleagues. 

Thank you to Kate for sharing her expertise and insights on this important topic. We encourage you to explore her resources and continue the conversation about PCOS in the workplace. 

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This week it’s both International Women's Day and Endometriosis Awareness Week. To mark the two events, we're in conversation Sophie Richardson, aka theendospectrum who explains her journey to a diganosis of the condition, which took over 5 years from aged 16 to when she went to University. Sophie underwent surgery due to having severe symptoms putting her in bed for a week during her period. She is passionate about awareness raising and along with her blog she is speaking more frequently within the corporate setting to help more people understand this complicated condition which can take up to 7 years for a diganosis.

What we discussed:

• How despite Endometriosis Awareness and campaigns are increasing over the years there are still lots of misconceptions regarding the issue. it still It affects 10% of women 
• Sophie’s symptoms and experiences prior to her diagnosis, that she’d never heard about it, It took over 5 years to diagnose and she was struggling from 16-18
• Sophie’s struggle to open up her symptoms to her peers - she didn’t know what was her being dramatic and until it caused her to pass out that she realised how severe there were 
• Her symptoms were a month long and she had to have surgery for cysts on her Ovaries 
• Why Sophie is passionately talking about endometriosis, especially in the workplace
• How endometriosis affects Sophie in her day-to-day experience - her skin has suffered for over a decade, despite spending a lot of money on skincare and makeup. 
• Impact on her confidence, people looking at her skin and how it makes her feel unprofessional at work, confidence issues when meant more people 
• Swollen belly and how it can impact your wardrobe at work and how virtual working has helped and why it’s important for employers to understand 
• What is Endometriosis
• Misconceptions around Endometriosis and what it is
• How it can be found everywhere in the body
• The Endometriosis Spectrum is so different for everyone and it can change month by month. For Sophie, it’s in her bowl and in her chest.
• How it impacts internal organs 
• How she’s much better now but previously, she was unable to leave the house for over a week, couldn’t eat or drink 
• How employers need to understand how varied it can be and need to treat it with respect 
• What kind of things do employers need to think about period policy
• Why it's important to have external voices talking about these topics, how to think about time off, being adaptable, open stream of communication 
• Key things for women who have endometriosis in the workplace
• Reasons why Sophie decided to freeze her eggs recently

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We're back with Series 2 of The F Word at Work from Fertility Matters (FMAW) at Work and we're launching into our new season discussing the changes to the Surrogacy reform bill in conversation Mike Johnson-Ellis.

If you have been following us and FMAW for a while, you know that Mike is our good friend and are working closely with My Surrogacy Journey supporting intended parents with workplace issues. If you don't know Mike he is a prominent advocate for surrogacy and fertility treatments and along with his partner Wes, is the founder of Two Dads UK with his partner Wes and the pair have founded My Surrogacy Journey (MSJ) and the Modern Family Show.

You can hear our previous conversation with Mike where he talks through his personal experience at work, and what it was like as a gay man in a toxic male environment where he was told that becoming a parent was 'committing career suicide'!!

Mike and Wes have immense passion in the work they do and we're proud to partner with them as they raising awareness about the significance of surrogacy for LGBT+ couples. Mike has been recognized as a pioneering figure within the LGBT+ community and honored with The Surrogacy Professional of the Year Award and is in high demand as a speaker for various LGBT-themed events, so we're delighted to have him on the pod again.

What we discussed:

• Mike's work with TwoDadsUK.com and My Surrogacy Journey and the conversations they have around gay parenting and diversity to fertility treatment and the journey to parenthood through surrogacy, all with a focus on LGBTQ+ parenting.
• The Modern Family Show, a family-building event happening on 23.09.23 - tickets are still available
• The recent legislative changes related to surrogacy and their impact on intended parents, what Mike considers to be a win, and what still needs to happen
• What organisations need to consider in terms of raising awareness around surrogacy, such as it being separate from adoption leave, how language needs to be more inclusive
• What not to say to people who are embarking on surrogacy - comments such as 'you're buying a baby' or 'just adopt' are ill-informed and offensive
• The importance of inviting men in to talk about their health, especially their fertility, and how gay men in particular have a lack of education about their fertile health
• How awareness-raising webinars with men is a powerful way to validate the conversation
• Mike's plans for further family building through surrogacy in Mexico City as My Surrogacy Journey are now supporting a pathway in Mexico.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work, as we continue our 'How To' series, which aims to provide insights for HR professionals, managers, and colleagues on how to support those facing specific family-building challenges.

This episode coincides with World Childless Week which provides an amazing community of support for those who are childless not by choice and is a resource we'd highly recommend you add to your signposting.

The childless not by choice community are often-overlooked in the workplace and at FMAW, we are doing a lot of work with our members to change this. For this episode, we’re thrilled to welcome Helen Gallagher to the podcast. Helen is a coach providing 1:1 coaching, business consultancy and workplace coaching specialising in support on being childlessness not by choice.

She is also the host of the Happy and Childless podcast, where she engages in powerful conversations about the experiences of those who are childless not by choice. Her advocacy work sheds light on the unique challenges faced by individuals in this situation, especially in the context of workplace policies and support.

Here’s a glimpse into our conversation:

• Helen discusses the importance of recognising and supporting those who are childless not by choice. She highlights how family and parental leave policies can unintentionally emphasise what these individuals are not, rather than offering inclusive support.

• Helen shares her personal experience of trying to build a family and the emotional and practical challenges she faced. Her story provides context for her advocacy and her drive to address these issues publicly.

• Helen talks about her decision to become an advocate and the timing of sharing her experiences openly. She reflects on how this has shaped her work and her podcast.

• We explore practical advice for organisations on how to support colleagues who are childless not by choice. Helen offers insights into creating an inclusive and empathetic work environment.

• Helen provides a sneak peek into some of the key discussions on her Happy and Childless podcast, encouraging listeners to explore further resources and conversations on this topic.

Thank you to Helen for joining us and sharing her invaluable insights. We encourage you to listen to her podcast for more in-depth discussions on this important issue.

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Brought to you by Fertility Matters at Work CIC this conversation hopes to offer you an insight into the many challenges people face when trying to manage the day to do of working life, whilst trying to start or complete their family.

With 1 in 6 couples and 1 in 7 people dealing with fertility issues, the impact of fertility challenges is vast and the people who might be struggling are diverse.

At Fertility Matters at Work we strive to guide the workplace into better supporting people going through this, by ensuring all managers, HR and well-being leads understand the complexity of this issue.

We want to make sure people feel confident having these sensitive conversations with those going through this and that the people affected feel safe enough to disclose what is happening to them. Equally, by raising awareness internally with our range of live discussions and training we aim to achieve a cultural shift where fertility issues are recognised. We help colleagues feel able to support one another and collectively make the workplace a great place to be.

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Welcome back to The F Word at Work, we’re now in our 4th series and we really hope you’ve found our content useful and have either included it in your resources on this conversation or have been sharing it with colleagues. If not - please do as this series is a ‘How to’ guide to enable you to support colleagues through the many different routes to parenthood and it will be a really useful touch point for anyone you’re trying to get to understand more about the challenges that come with family building.  

In our first episode, were’ speaking to Caroline Cook, Head of Patient Experience at Apricity and former NHS midwife, to our series kickoff. Apricity are also our series sponsor, so we’re delighted that Caroline could join us to launch this series. She brings a wealth of experience and a personal touch to the conversation. Her deep understanding of fertility treatments and dedication to enhancing patient care make her a valuable voice in advocating for workplace support and inclusivity. 

Here’s a glimpse into our conversation: 

• Caroline shares key takeaways from the ESHRE conference in Amsterdam, focusing on the latest developments in IVF and the growing need for workplace support for fertility care. 
• She discusses her transition from NHS midwifery to private fertility care, including her own fertility experiences, providing valuable perspectives from both a professional and personal standpoint. 
• We cover practical advice for managers and HR professionals on creating a supportive work environment. Topics include inclusive policies, understanding fertility treatments, and addressing unconscious bias. 
• We talked about the importance of kindness, flexibility, and empathy in the workplace, especially regarding fertility challenges. 
• Caroline offers guidance on handling discussions about fertility at work, including when to inquire about personal updates and respecting boundaries. 
• We discuss feedback from our audience about their experiences with workplace support and the need for a compassionate approach during fertility treatments. 

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In this episode, we are joined by Madeleine Macy, formerly the Marketing Director at Liberty and currently the Chief Executive Officer at SkyDiamond, and Brendan Boucher, Group Treasurer at The Compass Group. Please note the sensitive content within this episode as there is talk of pregnancy loss and failed IVF and you will hear about Madeline and Brendan's alternative routes to parenthood through Surrogacy.

What we discussed:

Madeleine describes her fertility journey, spanning almost a decade and involving various treatments, including alternative medicine, medication, artificial insemination, and in vitro fertilization (IVF).

The difficulties of managing fertility treatments while working, especially in a demanding career. Madeline discusses experiencing multiple miscarriages, including one during her early days at a new job. She shares that she initially chose not to disclose her pregnancy losses at work, fearing it might affect how she was perceived professionally.

The toll fertility struggles took on her mental health, leading to periods of depression and personal challenges and how Madeleine eventually opened up about her experiences at work, receiving support from her boss and HR director.

The importance of creating a supportive work environment for those facing fertility challenges and the impact of colleagues' pregnancies on people's emotional well-being, highlighting the difficulty of seeing others go through pregnancy while dealing with loss

IVF during the pandemic and the advantages of remote work for those undergoing fertility treatments.

Exploring surrogacy as the next step in their journey after facing challenges with IVF.

The grief associated with another miscarriage during the surrogacy process and the emotional toll it takes and the importance of taking time off when needed and the need for workplaces to recognize miscarriage as a form of bereavement.

The male experience of fertility journey, including experiences of loss, challenges, and different stages of treatment.

The impact of changing jobs whilst still going through different stages of treatment including egg donation and IVF cycles, and challenges faced during the process.

How a a chance encounter with a couple on a boat in Thailand led to finding a surrogate.

Emotional impact, resilience, and the importance of support during the fertility journey.

The challenges of balancing fertility treatments with work responsibilities and the need for awareness, education, and support networks within organizations.

Conscious quitting and the changing expectations of employees regarding ethical and supportive workplaces and why organisations need to be inclusive.

Consideration of individual circumstances in workplace policies and the possibility of offering paid leave per fertility cycle.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work where we're sharing one of our original zoom conversations broadcast in 2022. An enlightening conversation with Mike Johnson-Ellis one half of Two Dads UK with his partner Wes and the pair have founded My Surrogacy Journey (MSJ) and the Modern Family Show. At Fertility Matters at Work we're delighted to be working in partnership with MSJ and you can find out more about what that looks like by having a listen.

What was discussed:

The lack of empathy that Mike expereinced when he talked to his work about his plans.

How they had no understanding of infertility or why he would want to attend appointments with his Surrogate

How Mike had no emotional support, nobody asked him what he needed or what he was going through

His colleagues were far to afraid of saying the wrong thing so they said nothing resulting in Mike not getting any support and feeling the pressure of doing his job as he was distracted by what he was going through. t

How everyone in his work environment couldn't believe he wanted a baby

The Toxic masculinity

Lack of awareness in organisations - 10 years on from when same sex marriages became legal. At that point in time businesses should have started thinking about what that would mean and what people would need and they didn't.

How a basic employment skill is knowing your business and your people and the importance of how we learn by our curiosity - asking people within an organisation what they need support with

Why surrogacy fills people with fear -it's not just for same-sex couples it is for women who can't carry

Explaination of Intended Parents (IP's)

How organisations who proudly say they support LBGT communications - need to ask themselves has the conversation has gone deep enough to find out what they really need

Lack of people talking about policies so we need there to be more conversations

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The issue with the use of word adoption being used when people are going through surrogacy, you aren't adopting it you are having a biological child

Policies are very heteronormative

Why surrogacy fills people with fear -it's not just for same-sex couples it is for women who can't carry

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Welcome to episode 3 of The F Word at Work from Fertility Matters at Work ( FMAW) which we are sharing with you one week after the three of us, Natalie, Becky and Claire went to Parliament to join our guest Nickie Aiken as she launched the Fertility Workplace Pledge. Nickie is the Conservative MP for the Cities of London and Westminster and along with the pledge, is bringing forward a private members bill for people undergoing fertility treatment.

The episode was recorded in the summer following the first reading of Fertility Treatment (Employment rights ) bill and was a conversation between Nickie, Natalie ( FMAW) and Kate Davies who is our medical advisor at FMAW. Thanks once again to our series sponsor Apricity.

 What was discussed:

• How Nickie learnt of this issue from one of her constituents who was forced out of a job and had to agree on a NDA which left a nasty taste in her mouth and she came to Nickie as she didn’t want anyone else going through it.  
• How it’s the last taboo when it comes to maternal services 
• The misconception is that IVF is needed solely by career women in their 40s who have had their careers and now want a career, but it also affects women in their 20s and 30s.  
• How she hopes to ensure colleagues can support others who might be going through it
• How Nickie was surprised to be talking to a big company who she spoke to about the Bill and they were surprised they didn’t have a policy  
• Whilst there isn’t an employment bill that this can slot into and whilst ideally we shouldn’t need a law, Nickie highlights why we need a law in order for people to be better supported.  
• Following the first reading of the Bill has happened Nicky did a speech in Parliament which you can read here
• Within the Women’s Health Strategy launched earlier in the summer, Nickie made sure IVF and fertility treatment was included and she believes this means the argument about women’s health is a priority has been won.  
• Baroness Anne Jenkins made a speech listing every medical situation a girl goes through.  
• Launch of the Fertility Workplace Pledge  
• What Nickie thinks the impact of the Write to your MP campaign  will be

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Welcome to the first episode of The F Word at Work for 2023, where all three co-founders Natalie, Becky and Claire have come together to reflect on what was an epic 2022, and to tell you bit about what is in store in 2023 and why becoming fertility friendly should be a key part of your wellbeing strategy with good reason. 

What was discussed

• Going to Parliament for the launch of Nickie Aiken’s Fertility Workplace pledge and to further discuss the work we have done to support the Parliamentary Bill for paid time off for it to become a statutory right for paid time of fertility treatment appointments 
• How our business has grown in it’s first year
• The impact we’ve been having and the many thank you’s we’ve been receiving
• Our nomination for the New Statesman Positive Impact award and meeting Joeli Brearly from Pregnant then Screwed
• Why focusing on this area of well-being will benefit your organisation and the ROI will be that good people want to come and work for you and stay working for you as they are properly supported by you as you can empathise with them due to having a better understanding of the impact of fertility treatment on all people needing it to grow their families. 
• When we’re talking about paid time off and people needing to go to appointments, we’re not asking for days and days meaning an organisation isn’t going to be able to function, we’re talking about flexibility.
• There’s already a cost to business as if people are going to go through it whether they can get paid time off or not. It’s much easier to manage planned time off rather than someone just going off sick.
• Important to understand that with fertility rates declining this issue of people needing help to have a baby isn’t going away
• The ongoing issue of Intended Parents not being included in workplace policies.
• How different generations of workforce need different things
• Our exciting press coverage in ITV News and Red Magazine
• How we’re going to be working with Liberty’s
• The issue for Intended Parents not being included in workplace policies.
• Northern Power Women Awards nomination for Small Organisation category

Are you ready to discuss your plans for 2023, even if you’re not quite ready to start, lets talk about how you can move forward in helping those going through it and uphill your managers, Mental Health first aiders, ensure your HR team fully understand and the right kind of language is being used in policies and guidance. 

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In this episode, we are joined by Sabine Hutchison, the dynamic CEO and Co-Founder of Seuss+ and Vice President of the HBA EMEA region. Sabine renowned for her trailblazing spirit in entrepreneurship. With a knack for innovation, Sabine has spearheaded multiple ventures across diverse sectors, showcasing her prowess as a serial entrepreneur and Natalie met her in Basel, after Becky and her had presented our Fertility Matters at Work and here's why, flagship session as part of the inagural HBA Gender Summit. The chat begins with Claire and Natalie from FMAW discussing the importance of cross-industry awareness raising activity, which we facilitate.

What we discussed:

• Significance of cross-industry conversations in the workplace.
• Overview of an upcoming women's health webinar in collaboration with CIPD.
• The need for culture change through continuous conversations across industries.
• The importance of removing taboos around women's health in the workplace.
• Challenges faced by women in leadership roles related to menopause discussions.
• Considerations for discussing taboo topics in gender-specific and male-dominated environments.
• Challenges of maintaining focus on important well-being topics amidst distractions.
• Importance of diverse perspectives and storytelling in addressing workplace challenges.
• Encouraging open conversations to normalize discussions on personal experiences in the workplace.
• Exploring the emotional, psychological, and financial impact of workplace well-being.
• Objectives for encouraging HBA members to prioritize well-being discussions in 2024.
• The significance of taking action and initiating conversations on crucial topics.
• Reflecting on the insightful panel discussions and the importance of actionable steps.
• Acknowledgment of ongoing conversations and the value of addressing challenging topics in the workplace.

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Welcome to Series 3 of The F Word at Work where we'd love your support and feedback so so please do hit follow and if possible leave a review in the app you are listening to. As we get ready for another exciting year at Fertility Matters at Work, we wanted to kick off this podcast episode in conversation with our co-founders Natalie, Becky and Claire to talk about why becoming fertility friendly in 2024 really does matter. We also wanted to share some of the amazing achievements that happened in 2023 that we'll be continuing to build on this year.

What we discussed:

• Highlights from 2023: Including national press coverage on BBC Breakfast News, amazing speaker opportunities at The Modern Family Show and the HBA Gender Healthcare summit,
• Details of the organisations who have become accredited as well as our impact statistics including over 150,000 employees reached
• The perception Shift in 2023: BBC Breakfast News coverage of this topic in successive weeks has highlighted a shift in public awareness and engagement of the importance of this issue
• How momentum is growing with there now being widespread discussions about fertility matters at work with numerous collaborations and the topic being discussed in global organisations as they realise the vast impact.
• How fertility issues impact businesses, emphasizing the financial and personal costs associated with talent turnover and lack of support during fertility-related challenges.
• Why the male perspective needs to be part of the conversation and how there's a recognition that the conversation is expanding beyond being viewed as solely a female issue, with a growing acknowledgment of male perspectives and LGBTQ+ considerations in fertility discussions.
• Why this is so important for talent Retention and engagement and the importance of businesses recognizing fertility matters as a workforce challenge, considering talent retention, engagement, and long-term planning.
• Why societal perspectives on Infertility on infertility are still a challenge and that infertility is still not being recognized as a legitimate medical condition or a significant life event.
• Optimism about changing perspectives:
• Call to Action for 2024:consider fertility-related conversations, share experiences, and engage in initiatives like the fertility workplace pledge.

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Welcome to the first episode of The F Word at Work, a conversation for busy HR, D&I and well-being leads with the aim to open your minds to the vast topic of fertility at work and why it really matters for employees and businesses too.

Today you'll hear from all three co-founders Natalie Silverman, (your host) Becky Kearns and Claire Ingle sharing their thoughts on this new podcast series and what it is setting our to achieve and you'll hear our first conversation with a thought leader within the workplace wellbeing space, Zoe Sinclair, founder of Employees Matter.

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What was discussed:

• The origins of Employees Matter
• How This Can Happen came about - the workplace mental health conference
• How these well-being and mental health conversations evolve
• How workplaces overcome fears of using certain language, such as 'stress'.
• The response to putting our workplace webinar on suicide from the huge number of organisations that signed up to be on the call and how many people shared their experiences.
• What is happening in terms of new conversations - how organisations are viewing the family-building conversation
• What companies need to think about to manage it all.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work where we join Helen Letchfield co-founder of P&P coaching which she set up in 2009 based on her personal experience of the startling transition of moving from being a professional with a senior role, to a sleep-deprived, brand-new, home-alone parent – and then back again into the world of organisational politics and career demands – all on reduced hours. In this thought-provoking conversation Helen shares her insights on what has changed in the workplace well-being space over the last 16 years and what she thinks are key trends for 2023.

What was discussed:

• Primary and Secondary caregivers
• What has changed over the last 16 years in terms of workplaces understanding wellbeing - more about legal cases
• Now it’s around helping everyone back into the workplace after becoming parents 
• What it means to be a family-friendly supporting organisation 
• Importance of making people feel welcomed and supported at work
• Progressive organisations are using that for an attraction and retentions tool
• How the pandemic has helped to shifted the awareness around looking after new parents and leadership develop
• How post-pandemic both Mums and Dads were asking for flexibility ch
• How virtual sessions have enabled a greater reach with people feeling happier as they are able to have these conversations at home 
• The choice of partitioner can be determined by the coach, not location 
• Why employers are worried about giving ‘managers’ more to do - as senior managers hadn’t done the role play needed to coach middle managers - there was a skill and knowledge gap
• Didn’t realise the impact it has to be supportive
• How organisations are now more ready to look at the whole cycle - happy to look more at what family-friendly means - including looking at fertility issues and menopause, gendered ageism. 
• How different organisations in different sectors are in different places in terms of taking this whole conversation.
• Finance and Law sectors - lead the way, now more male-heavy, male-dominated sectors such as manufacturing are coming to talk about these issues as they are recognising the need. 
• Fertility keeps coming up time and time again as people recognise they want to break the taboo 
• Need to support HR, D&I, Managers in taking on these new roles 
• Ensure that initiates are put out for men and women
• Create an equal playing field 
• Trends in 2023 - work to prove that this work does support the attraction and retention route
• Gendered ageism - the impact on the over 50’s and the importance of this population 
• Making sure managers don’t make assumptions about anyone’s circumstances 

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In this episode, we are joined by Wayne Clark - the visionary force behind the Global Growth Institute (GGI), headquartered in the UK and Netherlands. Natalie reached out to Wayne, after hearing him speak about his book 'How to become a World Class manager' on another podcast and knew he would be the perfect person to discuss how organisations can really tap into the manager mindset when it comes to getting them to appreciate the importance of the fertility conversation at work. Wayne has an amazing track record and has been recognised for 4 years by HR Magazine as one of the top 25 “Most Influential Thinkersworking and to date he has worked with more than 700 CEOs/boards and thousands of managers in over 30 countries.

What we discussed:

• Wayne shares the extensive research his organisation conducted to identify key traits of a world-class manager.
• Twelve crucial focus areas for managers
• Building strong relationships is crucial for effective communication between managers and team members.
• The importance of creating space and time for meaningful conversations and relationship building is emphasized.
• Steve Jobs' perspective on leadership and vision creation is shared, emphasizing the importance of clear communication.
• Challenges in conveying the context and vision from senior leadership to frontline managers are discussed.
• The frustration with unproductive meetings and the need for more effective communication tools is highlighted.
• Suggestions for utilizing different communication methods beyond traditional meetings are discussed.
• Utilizing webinars and lived experiences to enhance learning and empathy among managers is explored.
• High-performing manager identification and knowledge-sharing practices are discussed as effective learning strategies.
• Encouraging managers to understand the backstory of team members and build empathy through storytelling exercises.
• The value of building relationships through understanding and empathy is emphasized for effective management.
• Challenges with time management and the importance of flexibility in scheduling regular one-to-one meetings are discussed.
• The significance of spending time consciously understanding team dynamics and organizational needs is highlighted for effective management.

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The F Word at Work podcast welcomes you to series 3, where we continue to highlight the impact of people’s family building struggles at work and why as a business - whatever size you are - becoming fertility-friendly in 2024 should be on your priority list. You’ll hear from specific sectors on how they are addressing the issue with awareness-raising activity and training hear our updates on the work we’re doing to lobby parliament in the UK and learn more from our community about their experiences with alternative routes to parenthood such as surrogacy. You’ll also hear more insights as always from thought leaders in the workplace wellbeing space. We hope you find these conversations useful and they help you put the business case forward as to why fertility really does matter at work.

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Welcome to Part Two of this bumper podcast episode which is sharing our Diversity and Inclusion in Fertility Round Table conversation which was held on Zoom on 8th November 2022 with the aim to help you understand how many different people are impacted by fertility challenges in a number of different ways and also to give you a better understanding of the how these communities who are impacted. 

We know that this affects 1 in 6 couples, 1 in 7 individuals and that the World Health Org defines infertility as a “disease of the reproductive system”. As you will hear, fertility treatment is also needed for social reasons, and as such is a necessary medical treatment to enable people to have a child, not a simple lifestyle choice as it is sometimes portrayed. Sometimes this is the only way for people to have a chance of a child, it’s also important to be aware that it isn’t a guarantee.

Here we discuss what employers need to know about being inclusive of other less commonly known paths to parenthood, such as solo parenthood, donor conception, adoption and then moving on to Surrogacy. The assumption when we think about fertility treatment is IVF – and normally with two people involved.  

You will hear conversations with Mel Johnson, HR Professional and Founder of The Stork and the UK’s first and only Solo Parenthood Coach and  Nicole Narracott, Adoptive Parent and Senior Business Change Manager. We also discuss how organisations can usualise, be inclusive of and supportive of LGBTQ+ family building with discussions with Wes Johnson Ellis, Co-founder of TwoDads UK, My Surrogacy Journey and the Modern Family Show and Laura-Rose Thorogood, founder of LGBT Mummies  

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work. Before we begin, we'd love to hear more of your feedback, so please do leave a review in the app you are listening to - it's possible on Apple and Spotify.

Meet a man on a mission! Holding the role of Managing Director at JAAQ at Work, founder of Includability, and co-founder of DiSRUPT, Paul Smith has dedicated his professional life to instigating transformation and nurturing spaces where every voice is valued and acknowledged. His fervor lies in uniting people and constructing communities that aren't mere existences but catalysts for change. Paul firmly advocates for the potential inherent in diverse and inclusive environments, ones that embolden individuals and spark innovation. Join him in challenging the established norms and jointly creating a substantial influence!

What we discussed:

• Paul shares how he got introduced to Jack.org and its founder, Daniel Gray. He talks about how Jack.org was born and its mission to positively impact mental health.
• What topics are covered by Jaaq.org including suicide, core mental health issues, eating disorders, addictions, fertility, menopause, LGBTQIA+ issues, race, ethnicity, grief, and bereavement.
• How the Jaaq at Work came about and is working with organizations to provide a safe space for employees to learn, be educated, and empowered.
• Changing the Mental Health conversation in the workplace
• The challenges of getting people to open up about their mental health at work and the importance of providing education and knowledge to employees and managers.
• The importance of having a visual presence of mental health conversations in the workplace, such as posters, QR codes, and other engagement tools.
• The importance of collaboration and empowerment within organizations. He discusses the role of Jaaq champions and employee resource groups in driving mental health initiatives.
• Trends in workplace wellbeing, including the increasing awareness of issues like suicide, bereavement, neurodiversity, menopause, and fertility.
• Making mental health conversations year-round
• Quick wins for organizations - have the infrastructure in place to support mental health, train and educate employees and managers, and encourage authentic storytelling.
• The power of storytelling and how it can drive change within organizations and create a culture of mental well-being.

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Welcome to this episode of The F Word at Work, where we are celebrating Ferring Pharmaceuticals who are now fertility friendly accredited ™️ and we're joined by Mary Knight, Head of Global Ethics at Ferring to talk about the incredible work they have been doing globally to support Ferring's employees who are building their families. We're delighted to share that Ferring Pharmaceuticals are now a fertility friendly accredited ™️ employer ( updated Jan 1st 2024 )

What was discussed:

• Pillars of Building Families at Ferring
• How the planning evolved
• Key considerations
• Insights gained from patient communities to learn more about people's experiences and encompasses the range of experiences and practicalities involved
• Program designed to support all family building journies
• addressing every eventuality at parental leave policies
• Three pillars - those who are facing challenges conceiving with financial support and it includes IVF, Surrogacy or Adoption with no cap
• Removing barriers such as financial support which can vary region to region as well as country to country
• Ferring wanted to give the most generous, holistic package so it was truly equitable
• Pillar two - around parental leave for all parents including birthing and non-birthing parents, which is flexible and can be taken over implements
• Leave also includes time off for treatment, pregnancy loss, still birth, adoption - all learned from sharing experiences from employees
• Neo-natal period of leave also included
• Third pillar includes tying the support and leave together with a true commitment that is informed about the issue to ensure managers have empathy about the vast issues around family building struggles
• Ensuring there is training and education to bring it to life and Ferring's commitment to awareness and support at work, with FMAW's eLearning, awareness raising activities and factual information for all involved in the day-to-day of the business to make sure people are supported
• Making sure the culture of one of no taboo and people understand the need for empathy and compassion.
• Feedback of real-life impacts since launch in July 2022 - videos shared and testimonies shared
• How they've learned from the realities shared by people's experience meaning the issue is really brought to life.
• Aims to build employee support and resource groups to share experiences
• Advice for other organisations on how to implement this type of support - such as bringing in stakeholders who have passion about the topic across a range of functions within the company.

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Welcome to this bumper podcast episode which is sharing our Diversity and Inclusion in Fertility Round Table conversation which was held on Zoom on 8th November 2022 with the aim to help you understand how many different people are impacted by fertility challenges in a number of different ways and also to give you a better understanding of the how these communities who are impacted. 

By inclusion we want you to start thinking about how you can ensure that any support you put in place for fertility is inclusive in both language and action. It’s about understanding your people and communities and how to create sustainable positive change that will represent and benefit those communities going forwards.  

In the first part of this conversation we’ll hear from  Emma Persand, Director of Lemur Health, qualified nurse and workplace health and wellbeing professional and Lina Chan, CEO and founder of Parla, a digital health company supporting people on their reproductive life journeys from periods to fertility and menopause with expert-led programmes and workshops discussing Reproductive Health and Wellbeing regarding Cis women and anyone with a uterus as it is this group that are predominantly the ones who have physical treatment and need to be present at all appointments, they’re affected by medication side effects and quite often can be all-consumed by the process.

We also spoke with Tom Webb, Director of The Easy Bit documentary Shaun Greenaway founder of Knackered Knackers, Male Support platform to discuss the importance of including and empowering men within the fertility conversation, with a focus on the cis-male experience of pressures from societal narratives leading to toxic masculinity and stigma. 

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work, where we delve into the vital conversations surrounding fertility in the workplace. Today, we're honored to host Gemma Young, Senior Managing Director at Nuveen, a driving force in shaping marketing strategies across EMEA and Asia Pacific.

Gemma Young, is an esteemed marketing leader, takes center stage, steering Nuveen's marketing endeavors while chairing the business resource group "achieve," dedicated to females and female allies.

What we discussed:

• Gemma's personal journey fuels her dedication to address fertility challenges in the workplace, propelling Nuveen to pioneer impactful initiatives.
• Nuveen's proactive stance in fostering fertility conversations through a robust event program.
• Insightful panel discussions and networking sessions covering diverse topics from IVF to LGBTQ family building.
• Addressing crucial health issues like PCOS and endometriosis to foster a supportive environment.
• Witness the ripple effects: heightened awareness, enhanced employee support, and policy shifts like the introduction of fertility leave.
• Gemma's brilliant work internally won an award via the business resource group.
• Gems of wisdom for initiating similar dialogues: leverage existing affinity groups, engage HR, and rally supportive leadership.
• Proactive measures are key; continuous dialogue and awareness pave the way for meaningful change.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work, in coversation with Rachel Suff, a seasoned policy and research professional with 25+ years of experience in employment and HR, has been a Senior Policy Adviser at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development UK (CIPD) since 2014. Her role involves shaping public policy, with a focus on health, well-being, and employment relations. Rachel discussed the CIPD's Fertility Guidelines which Fertility Matters at Work consulted with them on and you'll also hear our co-founder Claire Ingle talk about that.

What we discussed:

• The decision to develop the CIPD's guidelines issued in 2023 related to fertility issues and wellbeing.
• Research conducted on fertility issues and the workplace.
• The gap in workplace support for individuals experiencing fertility issues and the impact on employees and organizations.
• The positive feedback and awareness generated by the CIPD's guidelines among HR professionals.
• Challenges organizations face when addressing fertility-related topics, such as misconceptions, lack of understanding, and fear of saying the wrong thing.
• The importance of creating an inclusive and supportive workplace culture for employees facing various well-being challenges.
• The need for education and guidance for HR professionals and managers on fertility-related issues.
• The need for external signposting and resources for employees facing fertility challenges.
• Ambitions for the CIPD's guidelines, including closing the support gap for fertility issues and promoting compassionate workplace cultures.
• The evolution of the guidelines and plans to explore additional topics, such as surrogacy and involuntary childlessness.
• The importance of language and terminology in policies related to surrogacy.
• Support for line managers who may also be dealing with fertility challenges personally.
• The significance of peer support and a broader ecosystem of support in organizations.
• The advice to smaller organizations on implementing changes to support employees facing fertility issues, emphasizing culture, education, and small changes.
• Recognizing fertility issues as a medical condition rather than a lifestyle choice.
• The workplace's role in providing support and reducing the stigma associated with fertility challenges.
• The shared mission of improving support for employees' well-being.

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work in this episode we're talking about how a change can come about in support of fertility struggles, from employees driving the change. You'll hear two amazing examples. The first is Natalie Sutherland from Burgess Mee, who is the UK's first 'Fertility Officer' and has led the way for her firm to become the UK's first organisation to become 'fertility friendly' with our accreditation. Then you'll hear from Kelly-Anne Morris, an employee at Cadent Gas who we've just launched our services with.

What we discussed:   

• Kelly needed to have her fallopian tubes removed, so knew she was going to need treatment when she was ready to build her family.  
• Once she met her partner and was ready, she looked to see what policies what was available - she had a supportive manage yet nothing was written, so the approach wasn’t consistent 
• Women In Cadent - had leads on improvements within the workforce which is where Kelly got involved which was how she got involved in meetings.  
• Started speaking about IVF  - doing a survey to find out about other people’s experiences 
• First person she spoke to was in HR - at the time there was a lot of change happening in the company 
• Now at a point where all family provisions policies are being reviewed.  
• It takes time to find the right people 
• As Kelly was trying to put content together - she realised how much support she needed, such as regarding the LGBTQ communuty  
• How she came to FMAW for facts and figures  
• How it can be challenging at times, questioning whether she’s doing it right and has time to give it her full attention - when she doubts herself and then gets an email to thank her for what she’s been doing.  
• News articles from people sharing their stories have been mixed genders ( including Men in leadership )  
• Fertility Focus policy also cover partners - eg. if the Man works at Cadent and his partner doesn’t they hope to support the person wanting to accompany their partner.  

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work. This is our penultimate series and we'd love to hear more of your feedback, so please do leave a review in the app you are listening to - it's possible in Apple & Spotify. Now, as we head towards the end of the series, we're once again sharing an example of Best Practice from one of our members News UK and we're delighted to be joined by Hannah Spencer Head of Finance Transformation. Hannah joined our launch event which we helf for the organisation in July 2022 and has been doing incredible work within a working group to support HR in it's policy development and also to offer that essential peers support which you will hear her explain more about. Hannah also recently joined us to speak on a panel discussing fertility issues at work, with This Can Happen

*Trigger warning* we talk about pregnancy loss and trauma in this episode.

What we discussed: 

• Hannah's ongoing fertility treatment journey. 
• The struggle of going through treatment whilst in the workplace. 
• Balancing work while going through treatment. 
• When Hannah first spoke out about her fertility treatment 
• The impact her treatment had on Hannah's career choices
• How Hannah's boss and teammates supported and encouraged her to accept opportunities that came her way. 
• What pushed Hannah to share her story in the panel last July 2022 
• Why people on the journey and going through treatment wouldn't want to talk openly about it 
• Hannah's colleagues spoke about their personal journeys on the panel as well. 
• The feedback after the panel and what  was been happening since 
• How they're building fertility and infertility support groups at NewsUK 
• How having peer support groups is key to becoming fertility-friendly 
• The proactive side of what NewsUK has been doing with their support groups 
• Ensuring managers know where to go and that there's a consistent approach to how people are looked after, despite everybody's experiences being different. 
• Signposting managers to the right resources - creating a manager support pathway
• How resources are important to managers to identify and learn what the team needs if they are going through fertility/infertility treatment. 
• Hannah's advice to anyone planning to start imposing the well-being agenda in the workplace 
• Hannah's take on having boundaries whilst being a fertility advocate 

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Welcome to another episode of The F Word at Work! As always, we're so pleased you've given us your earholes and if this is your first time tuning in, do check out our previous episodes. They feature thought-provoking discussions about why fertility and family-building topics should be a priority on workplace wellbeing agendas. However this fourth series focuses specifically on how to support colleagues through various family-building challenges and it aims to be a really useful toolkit for you.

This episode is landing at the start of Baby Loss Awareness Week in the UK and so we wanted to put the focus on how to support a colleague dealing with pregnancy or baby loss. There is sadly, still such taboo around this topic and all we can hope for, is that by continuing to talk about it, the stigma will lessen over time.

You'll hear Natalie in conversation with Katy Schnitzler, an esteemed trainer and founder of Mist. Katy works regularly with us here at FMAW, using her findings from her academic research around pregnancy loss, miscarriage and the experiences of those who are childless not by choice, particularly their impact in the workplace - to inform the organisations we support. Katy is amazing and a really compelling speaker, plus she is also a lead trainer at the Miscarriage Association, and what you'll learn here in this chat will be invaluable.

Here’s a glimpse into our conversation: 

• Katy emphasizes the holistic approach needed when discussing pregnancy loss, highlighting both the physical and emotional implications for those affected in the workplace. 
• We explore common misconceptions surrounding pregnancy loss and the potential physical challenges that individuals face, which can significantly impact their work life. 
• Katy offers practical advice for managers and HR professionals on how to compassionately support colleagues experiencing pregnancy loss. This includes the importance of using appropriate language and demonstrating genuine empathy.
• We discuss the emotional toll of pregnancy loss not only on the individual but also on their partner, stressing the importance of acknowledging their feelings and experiences as well. 
• We talk about the need for workplace policies that address pregnancy loss and how to implement them, as well as the importance of peer support and training for colleagues. 
• Katy shares strategies for initiating open conversations about pregnancy loss, emphasizing that it's crucial for workplaces to foster an environment where employees feel safe discussing their experiences. 

As we approach Baby Loss Awareness Week, we encourage organisations to consider how they can acknowledge this sensitive topic thoughtfully and inclusively. If you are wanting to understand more about how to have these sensitive conversations in your place of work, please do join our F Word at Work Live summit on Monday 4th November.

Thank you for joining us for this important discussion. We hope you find these insights helpful in fostering a supportive workplace culture. 

Thank you to Apricity who are sponsoring this series of The F Word at Work. To find out about more about  how they can support your employees with inclusive fertility care please get in touch with its expert corporate team