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31 May 2023Ep. 196: Jen Clinehens - On Choice Hacking01:11:56

Today, we spend some time in the world of marketing talking about how people make choices – and how behavioural science and AI can help us make better choices. My guest is Jen Clinehens. Jen is all about making business more human and is the founder of Choice Hacking, a consultancy that approaches customer experiences with a combination of behavioural science and psychology as well as cutting-edge AI tools.

Jen has a very interesting background and worldview – she spent time as a musician and in the creative industries before working in business and later founding Choice Hacking. We spend time talking about that, about how consumers make choices and what we can learn from that, the differences between marketing and manipulation, AI, and much more.

Show notes:

Jen Clinehens

Choice Hacking

Nike’s Michael Jordan ‘Failure’ ad

Market rotation

Noom

Duolingo

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24 Jun 2020Ep. 139: John Perkins - Fear, Change, and Touching the Jaguar01:01:00

Today we welcome back John Perkins to the podcast. If you are new to John, he is the author of the New York Times bestseller Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. He has written and spoken extensively on the global economy, American imperialism, and the so-called “death economy”.

However, there is another fascinating side to John. He has studied shamanism for decades, dating back to the late 1960s during his time in the Peace Corps in Ecuador. John is also the founder and a board member of both Dream Change and the Pachamama Alliance, both of which are organisations dedicated to establishing a world that future generations will want to inherit.

John’s latest book is called Touching the Jaguar – Transforming Fear Into Action to Change Your Life and the World. This is a book in which John combines his background in the global economy with his experience in shamanism, healing, and indigenous wisdom. Here at All Things Risk we strongly believe in the power of combining domains of knowledge and expertise and John provides that.

This is a conversation that is inspiring – with the authentic, grounded and wise type of inspiration we so desperately need given where things seem to be going in the world. In it, we discuss John’s background as an “economic hit man”, shamanism, ayahuasca, but the bulk of it focuses on fear and perception. This is what the “touching the Jaguar” metaphor is about. John also describes and exercise we can all do to help us make change happen. Enjoy!

Show notes:

John’s website

Touching the Jaguar – Transforming Fear Into Action to Change Your Life and the World

Dream Change

The Pachamama Alliance

Ayahuasca

B Corporation

The Green New Deal

The Soul of Money by Lynne Twist

Ep 51 with John Perkins

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08 Mar 2022Ep. 174: Paula Reid - On Adventure Psychology01:20:39

Recent events – at the time of writing, Russia’s unlawful invasion of Ukraine – reinforce that uncertainty is an inherent human condition. Our guest on this episode offers an approach to this reality that is useful. Paula Reid is an adventurer, and more precisely, an adventure psychologist. She has completed a number of epic things like skiing to the South Pole, sailing around the world, and paddling the Mekong river.

While we have had many adventurers on the show, I invited Paula to appear because she is a trailblazer in the field of adventure psychology – which is all about using applied psychology and experience to facilitate enduring performance and well-being. She helps individuals and organisations survive, cope and thrive during change. Given the state of the world, that is something all of us can use.

Show notes:

Paula’s website

Anticipatory thinking

The Brave Athlete by Simon Marshall and Lesley Paterson

The film “Backdraft”

Alex Honnold

Adam Grant on Languishing

Safety and wingsuit BASE jumping

Alistair Humphreys on All Things Risk (including references to the ‘doorstep mile’)

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16 Aug 2021Ep. 163: Tony Blauer - "Know Fear," not "No Fear"01:07:37

To tee up this conversation, I want you to think about fear, or more specifically “fearlessness”. I’m going to posit that this is a concept that makes little to no sense, at least when presented as a positive trait. It isn’t wise to be around anyone who purports to be “fearless”. Fear is a natural human emotion. Courage and bravery are impossible without it, and great risk management needs to acknowledge and understand it.

With that, meet Coach Tony Blauer, this episode’s guest. Coach Blauer has been in the martial arts, self-defence, defence tactics industry for over four decades. He trains people in self-defence, working with both individuals and governments. His research into physiology and mindset as it relates to violence and confrontation management has influenced over three decades of reality-based martial arts.

However, I didn’t bring Coach Blauer on to discuss combat tactics. I brought him on the show because in creating and refining his self-defense system, he developed a deep understanding of fear based on psychology, physiology, and neuroscience.

We talk about that because there is a huge cross-over with just about everything else when it comes to fear. From a risk and uncertainty perspective, we can learn a lot from Coach Blauer. So today, it’s about “know fear”, not “no fear’.

 

Show notes:

 

Blauer Training Systems

Coach Blauer’s Know Fear Now website

Coach Blauer on:

            Instagram

            Facebook

            LinkedIn

Coach Blauer’s free ebook “Making Friends With Fear” is available here

Hick’s Law

Crossed Extensor Reflex

The Boston Strangler

Flow states

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15 Dec 2020Ep. 151: Robert FitzPatrick - How "Ponzinomics" Explains the Big Lie Behind Multi-Level Marketing01:51:11

Imagine a fantasy world in which there is endless abundance, a world in which risk and uncertainty don’t exist and a world in which all you have to do is think positive thoughts, do what you’re told, and – provided you do it – all your dreams will come true. You might be surprised to hear that millions of grown adults believe or have believed in this fantasy world – and in the process have lost fortunes, friends, marriages and in some cases, even their own lives as the fantasy crumbles and reality sets in.

This is exactly what happens to many people who get involved in multi-level marketing schemes (MLMs) or their cousins, ‘gifting’ schemes. And yet, the purveyors of these fantasies are legal, billion-dollar companies like Amway, Herbalife, Nu Skin, Arbonne, and others. Why does that happen how is this legal and possible?

Meet this episode’s guest, Robert FitzPatrick. Robert is a world-renowned expert in examining and revealing deception and fraud in bogus, home-based businesses. He is a recognised authority in MLMs and pyramid scheme fraud and has been featured in the programme 60 minutes, ABC World News and NBC Dateline in the USA, the BBC in the UK and the CBC in Canada. Robert’s latest book is called Ponzinomics – The Untold Story of Multi-Level Marketing.

The book describes how MLMs were created in the USA, escaped criminal and civil prosecution and spread all over the world. It explains how the legitimate business of direct selling was turned into pyramid selling, and how a business can become a delusional belief. We get into all of that in the episode, discuss why only a fraction of a fraction of 1% ever make any money in an MLM (hint – unless you started the scheme, then it’s not you), what you can do if a friend or loved one is involved in an MLM, and much more.

Show notes:

Ponzinomics

Pyramid Scheme Alert

False Profits - Seeking Financial and Spiritual Deliverance in Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Schemes

Pyramid and Gifting Schemes

Amway

Herbalife

NXIVM

Aleph cult in Japan

John Oliver on MLMs

Schitt’s Creek MLM episode

Anti-MLM Reddit

Betting on Zero – Netflix documentary on Herbalife

Steve Hassan

Bill Ackman

Marauders of Hope

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03 Nov 2020Ep. 147: Daniel Wagner - Biden Wins! What Now? What's Next?00:57:04

With the results of the US election now in and a Biden presidency forthcoming, what does it all mean? What is Trump’s legacy? What challenges does the Biden administration face? How does it deal with Covid 19? What about foreign affairs and the rest of the world?

Daniel Wagner returns to the show to discuss these and related topics.

Daniel’s latest book – The America-China Divide: The Race to Control the World in Amazon and in Amazon’s UK site

Daniel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/countryriskmgmt

Daniel’s company, Country Risk Solutions: http://countryrisksolutions.com/

Daniel’s other recent books:

China Vision on Amazon’s US site

China Vision on Amazon’s UK site

AI Supremacy

Virtual Terror

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31 May 2020Ep. 136: Dr. Jason Selk: How to Train Mental Toughness00:33:23

Today’s episode is a bit of a shorter one from our usual format. We talk to Dr. Jason Selk. Jason one of the world’s top performance coaches. He has worked with professional and Olympic athletes as well as leaders of many of the world’s leading organisations. He was the sports psychologist for the St. Louis Cardinals baseball team when they won the World Series in 2006 and again in 2011.

Jason trains people and teams to develop mental toughness. He has written a number of books on the topic, including Executive Toughness and 10 Minute Toughness. If you have been a follower of our show, you will know that to manage, let alone embrace uncertainty, how we think is just as important as what we think. As you will hear, the ‘how’ of thinking is a skill. Just like any other skill, it can be trained. The more we do this, the better we get at it.

So, this episode can be perhaps thought of as a bit of a training session. Jason gives us his background and a bit of theory, and some wider thoughts on responding to the coronavirus pandemic, but the crux of the episode is the short mental workout Jason developed around mental performance that he uses with his clients. It’s incredibly useful, particularly now.

Show notes:

Jason’s website

Jason on Twitter

Jason on LinkedIn

10 Minute Toughness

Executive Toughness

The St. Louis Cardinals

John Wooden

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10 Jul 2023Ep. 198: Roger Spitz - How to Thrive on Disruption01:29:55

Today, we talk about thriving on disruption. My guest is Roger Spitz. Roger is the President of Techisential, an organisation focused on climate and foresight strategy which works with the leadership teams of some of the world’s most prominent organisations. He is also the Chair of the Disruptive Futures Institute, and education platform that teaches us how we can thrive on disruption. He spent two decades working in the world of venture capital and investment banking, advising founders and CEOs.

For the purposes of this conversation, Roger is the co-author of Thriving on Disruption – Essential Frameworks for Disruption and Uncertainty. The guide is premised on the fact that disruption is a constant in our lives, and is expanding fast. It is comprehensive and very practical, with tools and techniques aimed at helping readers be more resilient and seize opportunities. It involves ‘casting aside assumptions, throwing out old playbooks, rewiring our mindset, embracing the unknown and taking agency of our own futures.’ This is a nutrient-dense conversation that covers everything from Zen Buddhism to AI.

Show notes:

Roger Spitz

Lidia Zuin

The Disruptive Futures Institute

Thriving on Disruption – Essential Frameworks for Disruption and Uncertainty

Techisential

Amara’s Law

Systems Thinking

Dave Snowden and sensemaking

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31 Mar 2022Ep. 175: Robert Earl Stewart - The Running-Shaped Hole01:46:15

What happens when your ability to make decisions gets clouded – and driven – by addiction? Why does ‘letting go’ make sense in these circumstances? What does it feel like when doing the right thing for your health seems somehow risky and frightening? And what in the world does running have to do with all of this?

Making his second appearance on the podcast is my good friend Robert Earl Stewart. Based in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, Robert (or Bob as I’ve always known him) is a writer, poet, and former journalist and bookseller. He is also a recovering alcoholic and has struggled with food addiction. At one point in his life, he weighed nearly 400 pounds and struggled to breathe while talking.

As you will hear, he took up running in an effort to save his life and ended up writing a fabulous book about his journey. The book is called The Running-Shaped Hole. It’s funny, moving, and inspirational as it chronicles how Robert lost 140 pounds, ran the Detroit Free Press half marathon, ended up in jail at one point, and tons in between. He shares his thoughts on all of those things in this episode and more, including what addiction feels like, family, the importance of surrender, and how authorities suspected he may have been at the head of an international organsised crime syndicate that provokes monied interests at picnics (you will have to listen to learn more about that last one). Like his book, this is an entertaining, funny, and thought-provoking conversation.

Show notes:

The Running-Shaped Hole

Robert on Goodreads

Robert on Twitter

Robert’s first appearance on All Things Risk

Blaise Pascal’s God-shaped hole

Michel Foucault’s heterotopia

Willistead Park

Hiram Walker

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14 Nov 2021Ep. 168: Dante Disparte - On Risk and the Future of Cryptocurrencies, Blockchain and Digital Finance00:55:52

This is the second of our two consecutive episodes about cryptocurrencies, blockchain, and digital finance. You don’t need to have listened to the first of these with Ethan Lou in order to get out a lot of this one – at the same time, we do recommend you listen to it. In it, we covered the ‘wild west' of the cryptocurrency world.

Today, we continue to talk about the risks and opportunities in this space, but our focus turns to the present and future of these technologies – including other uses of blockchain, stablecoins, and even a prediction or two.

I am delighted to bring to you my conversation with Dante Disparte. Dante is a global leader in harnessing risk and emerging technologies to improve economic competitiveness and resilience. He is currently the Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Global Policy at Circle. Circle is a digital financial services firm, which among other things, has built the US dollar coin (USDC). Prior to this, Dante was a founding executive at the Diem Association. Diem (previously known as Libra) is the blockchain payment system of Meta (formerly known as Facebook of course). Dante was also a member of the USA’s Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). You may also be familiar with his name as he co-authored Global Risk Agility with Daniel Wagner, a frequent guest on All Things Risk.

We get into a fair bit in this conversation, including:

  • The risks and opportunities of crypto and blockchain, which include Dante’s take on his former professor Nassim Taleb (author of The Black Swan)’s prediction that Bitcoin goes to zero. Dante has great respect for Taleb but disagrees with this particular take;
  • Stablecoins and what Dante calls “digitally-enabled and secure networks”, including some interesting applications for these technologies;
  • Geopolitics and cryptocurrencies;
  • What the future holds;
  • A lot more!

Show notes:

Dante’s website

Dante on Twitter

Circle

The US Dollar Coin (USDC)

Nassim Taleb’s take on Bitcoin

Yuval Noah Harari and Sapiens

Initial Coin Offerings (ICOs) and fraud

Our conversation with Oliver Bullough on “Moneyland”

“How Robert Mueller Used Bitcoin to Catch Russia”

The Diem / Libra project

The potential use of blockchain to speed up insurance payments following disasters

“Is America Losing the Digital Currency Race” – Dante’s piece in Project Syndicate

Web 3.0

Our episode on Global Risk Agility with Daniel Wagner

Our episode with Ethan Lou, author of “Once a Bitcoin Miner”

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01 Nov 2023Decision Reactions Ep. 2 - Take the Money and Run00:12:39

Our second in a thing called "Decision Reactions"

Show notes: NPR piece: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/104149... Original Al Jazeera piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOjV6...

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13 Sep 2022Ep. 182: Cheryl Einhorn - How to Become a Better Decision-Maker and Problem-Solver01:15:20

I am delighted to share today’s conversation with you because not only is it fascinating, but it also deals with one of our favourite topics – decision-making. My guest is Cheryl Einhorn, founder of Decisive, a decision sciences company that trains people and teams in complex problem-solving and decision-making skills using a method that she created. The method, called AREA, is something Cheryl developed during her two decades as an investigative journalist for the likes of the New York Times, Barron’s, and Foreign Policy. If you think about how demanding that job is, it becomes clear that having a way of testing and reinforcing your conclusions is incredibly valuable.

We get into that, as well as Cheryl’s background, problem-solving and decision-making as skills, the difference between ambiguity and uncertainty, something Cheryl developed called a ‘Problem Solver Profile,’ regret, the importance of slowing down, and much more.

Show notes:

Cheryl’s profile

AREA method

Cheryl’s article on Problem Solver Profiles

Find your Problem Solver Profile

Cheryl’s TEDx talk

Cheryl’s Harvard Business Review articles

Investing in Financial Research

Problem Solved

Problem Solver – Maximising Your Strengths to Make Better Decisions – Cheryl’s forthcoming book

Analysis of Competing Hypotheses

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09 May 2021Ep. 159: Jen Ables - Creativity as an Anchor During Uncertainty01:09:59

Today, we talk about creativity, joy and passion – and how a sense of values can serve as an anchor during uncertain times. My guest is Jen Ables. Jen is someone who has worn many hats in her life. One of her first hats was as an insurance underwriter – so we start there, but it gets much more interesting!

We go on a trip in this conversation with Jen that includes the difference between success and happiness, uncertainty and resilience, Jen’s journey to becoming a dance instructor and which included a trip to the Obama White House for the “United State of Women” summit. We cover Jen’s work with wounded military veterans using dance as part of their physiotherapy and mental recovery. We get into gratitude and in what I think is a timely episode as many of us grapple with the past year of this pandemic and beyond, ways in which we can embrace uncertainty during challenging times.

Show notes:

Jen’s website

Jen on LinkedIn

Jen on Instagram

Dr. Drennan, Temple School of Business

Dr. Martin Luther King – The Drum Major Instinct

Bruce Lee – “flowing water never goes stale”

Nobel Prize winners and hobbies

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22 Aug 2024Ep. 226: Paul Orlando - Why Now? How to Harness the Power of Great Timing01:08:28

Today, our focus is on timing. How much of a success or failure is because of timing? To answer that question, I welcome Paul Orlando back to the show. Paul is an expert in the world of startups, having built and operated startup accelerators around the world. He teaches at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.

He is the author of a fascinating new book, Why Now? How Good Timing Makes Great Products. Paul and this conversation will make you think differently about the role of timing in decision-making. You will understand why you never want to be “ahead of your time”, you want to be at the right time.

That is driven home by an example that Paul shares at the outset and something that I didn't know about. The first video phone was launched back in 1964. And the reason why it didn't take off is because of timing.

This is a fabulous conversation in which Paul shares the myth of first-mover advantage, serendipity, his timing drivers, problem-finding versus problem-solving, AI and timing, and so much more.

Show notes:

Paul on LinkedIn

Why Now – How Good Timing Makes Great Products

Startups Unplugged

Paul’s previous episode on the podcast

YouTube version of the episode

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23 Jun 2023Ep. 197: Christian Hunt - On Humanising Rules01:50:11

Today, we have a fabulous conversation with Christian Hunt who is making his third appearance on the show. This time he joins me to talk about his excellent new book Humanising Rules – Bringing Behavioural Science to Ethics and Compliance. The book is all about using practical techniques ‘that work with – rather than against – the grain of natural human decision-making’ in designing and implementing rules. In the book and in this episode, Christian challenges widely-held assumptions about managing the risks posed by people and their relationship with rules. As Christian so often aptly puts it rule-makers need to not just think about how ‘ they’d like people to behave, but how likely people are to behave.’

If you’ve not come across Christian before, he is the founder of Human Risk, a consultancy that brings behavioural science to ethics and compliance. He is also the host and producer of his own show, The Human Risk Podcast. He is always engaging and challenges our thinking. After listening to this, no matter if you are a rule-maker, rule-taker or rule-breaker (and at times, we are all of those things), you won’t ever think about rules in quite the same way again.

Show notes:

Human Risk

Humanising Rules

The Human Risk Podcast

PWC Oscars blunder

Sander Van Der Linden on All Things Risk

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30 Sep 2021Ep. 165: Richard Fenning - Risk Tales from the Edges of Globalisation01:07:43

Today, we take a dive into some lessons from the political and security risk business. My guest is Richard Fenning. Now and executive coach, Richard was the CEO of Control Risks for 14 years, one of the world’s foremost consulting firms in this space. As you might imagine, being the CEO for a firm like this is incredibly interesting. After all, Control Risks helps clients deal with things like kidnappings, terrorist incidents, coups, fraud, corruption, and just about everything in between.

Richard has written a fabulous book about the experience. It’s called What on Earth Can Go Wrong? Tales From the Risk Business. It’s part memoir, part travel book, part business book and contains first-hand, insightful (and sometimes funny) accounts of Richard’s experiences in places like Kenya, Iraq, Colombia, Russia, the USA amongst others. It also contains interesting reflections about decision-making in such places.

We get into that and more in this episode, including:

  • Richard’s reflections on the situation in Afghanistan (this was recorded the day after the fall of Kabul);
  • Decision-making in challenging business environments;
  • The underside of globalisation;
  • The difference between fear and risk;
  • Much more.

Show notes:

Richard Fenning

What on Earth Can Go Wrong? Tales from the Risk Business

Control Risks

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17 Apr 2024Ep. 216: Alison Taylor: On "Higher Ground" - How Business Can Do the Right Thing in a Turbulent World00:37:13

Today, I welcome back my friend Alison Taylor to the show. Alison is a clinical professor at the NYU Stern School of Business and she is also the Executive Director of Ethical Systems. She spent the last two decades consulting with multinationals on anti-corruption, risk, human rights, stakeholder engagement, and ethics and compliance.

And she is the author of the fabulous new book, Higher Ground:  How Business Can Do the Right Thing in a Turbulent World. And one of the reasons why I think it's a fabulous book is because it opens up a long overdue grown-up conversation about business in society. Alison takes on and challenges a number of pithy myths and notions that this stuff is always easy, and that there are always win-wins all over the place. The reality is, it's quite hard.

And whether we're talking about employee unrest over racial injustice, justice, supply chains, climate change, or bribery and fraud, some of the things that may seem obvious and easy are actually anything but - doing the right thing can be very confusing, and there are lots of traps associated with it, including balancing interests, what ethics really means, how the concepts of transparency and “zero tolerance” can get in the way, and Alison shares insights on some of these challenges.

We also talk about trust, which stakeholders companies should listen to, how the book has been received (and it's been received incredibly well, but as you will hear, you'll be surprised to learn where some of the pushback has come from) and so much more. This is a great conversation!

Show notes:

Higher Ground: How Business Can Do the Right Thing in a Turbulent World

Alison’s website

Alison on LinkedIn

Alison’s work with the World Economic Forum on the Rise and Role of the Chief Integrity Officer

Alison’s article “How to build an ethics program for a new era”

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12 Dec 2020Ep. 150: Jonny Miller - Emotional Resilience in Leadership01:04:41

How are you? This is a question we all regularly ask and answer on a daily basis. And in doing so, we rarely, if ever, expect or deliver a genuine response. As we are finding out – this is a huge problem, particularly amongst so-called high achievers – leaders in organisations, entrepreneurs, and others. The coronavirus pandemic seems to have only exacerbated that.

This is something that frustrated my guest and his collaborator so much that he decided to look deeply into it. Jonny Miller – who you will get to know in this episode – and Jan Chipchase were both frustrated at the impact that burnout was having on their peers, family, friends, and themselves. So, they set out to explore the common triggers to burnout, how extensive the problem is, and what we can do about it. They set up a survey which was completed by 261 people, a follow-up survey during the covid pandemic, interviews and a literature review. The result is the Emotional Resilience in Leadership Report, which offers a fantastic analysis of what’s happening, including the hidden stressors that can cause burnout.

Jonny is the founder of Curious Humans, an independent consultancy that helps leaders ask better questions. He operates a coaching practice for founders and executives, hosts his own podcast and was one of the co-founders of Maptia. In this conversation, we cover tons of ground on emotional resilience, burnout, hidden stressors, and what we can do to prevent and combat burnout.

Show notes:

Emotional Resilience in Leadership Report - summary deck, full report

Curious Human podcast including Breathwork episode with Edward Dangerfield

Some resources on emotional resilience

Jonny on Twitter

Jonny’s TEDx talk

“That Discomfort You’re Feeling is Grief” by Scott Berinato

Internal Family Systems

Escape the City

Fear Setting

Jane McGonigal

Ep. 149 of All Things Risk with Lan and Harlan Cao

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02 Apr 2024Ep. 215: Paula Reid - On Cycling Across Ukraine01:15:32

Today, I welcome back Paula Reid to the show. Paula is known as the “Adventure Psychologist” because of her expertise in adventure psychology, which is all about surviving, coping, and thriving during challenge and uncertainty. So obviously, there are huge parallels to decision-making under or uncertainty and to many of my show's themes.

And we talk a little bit about that at the outset of this episode. However, beyond that, this one is focused particularly around Paula's adventure cycling across the Ukraine from Odesa in the south to Chornobyl in the north, about 400 miles or 600 kilometres. She did so to raise money for Siobhan's Trust, now called “HopeFull” a charity involved in delivering humanitarian aid to Ukrainians.

This one covers an awful lot of ground, from adventure psychology to the origins of Paula's work in Ukraine, to the insight on trauma and mental health. Paula is actually in Ukraine as this goes out.

Video version: https://youtu.be/k_CNfLoFpDY 

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Paula’s website

Paula’s Ukraine cycling adventure

Siobhan’s Trust (now called “HopeFull”)

Paula’s fundraising page

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30 Dec 2021Ep. 170: "The Best" of 202101:24:54

This is our annual “best of” episode, featuring some memorable clips from our 2021 podcasts. I use the term “best of” loosely because I recognise that all listeners get something a bit different out of each guest and episode. We feature clips from the following (in the order they appear in the “Best of” 2021):

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24 Feb 2021Ep. 156: Rory Douglas - Wealth, Purpose and Why Success is "Found in a Pile of Mistakes"00:54:26

Today, we welcome Rory Douglas to the show. Rory is a financial educator, a high-performance coach, author and the CEO of Aqua Financial Centre.  As you will hear, Rory spent a lot of time working with clients in the music industry and those with a significant amount of material wealth. So, we get into the world of wealth management and what wealth actually means.

Beyond this, this is a conversation about how finding a sense of purpose and meaning can (as we’ve explored before on the show) serve as a powerful anchor in the midst of stormy waters. But that takes work – it doesn’t ‘just happen’. We explore that too.

We also get into Rory’s background growing up with dyslexia and that that meant to his development  - and we get into an interesting phenomenon the population of entrepreneurs have twice as many dyslexics as the general working population of most advanced economies. We also get into decision-making, dealing with setbacks, and much more.

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Rory Douglas

Aqua Financial Centre

The rule of 72

The 20/10 rule

Psychology, stress and performance (Yerkes-Dodson law)

Cracking the Rich Code

Broke – ESPN 30 for 30 film

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27 Jan 2023Ep. 189: Sarah Davis - Paddling the Nile, Part 1 of 201:10:28

We have a fabulous conversation here in two parts – this is Part One. Our guest is Sarah Davis, the first woman to have paddled the Nile from its source in Rwanda to the sea off the coast of Egypt, a 6,500+ km journey that took six months. During this time, Sarah dealt with angry hippos, the threat of kidnap, white water rapids, and parasites, and she and her team even got arrested at one point.

Who is Sarah? She is a British-born Australian with a love of travel, sport, and adventure. You might think that – in order to pull of this Nile expedition – Sarah started adventuring from a very young age. That isn’t exactly true and this is one of the reasons why this adventure is so interesting. Sarah spent most of her adult life in risk and project management in the banking sector. She decided that she wanted more fulfillment and purpose in her life which is partly how the Nile expedition came about.

In so doing, she shares a number of valuable lessons that you will hear about – from the importance of purpose to planning, crisis management, to decision-making. This is an absolutely wonderful conversation. Part One covers the origins of the expedition, planning and the first half of the journey. Part Two covers the second half and a number of lessons Sarah shares.

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Paddle the Nile

Sarah’s website

Sarah on LinkedIn

Danielle Laporte – what will you do to feel the way you want to feel?

Annie Duke on decision-making

Viktor Frankl

Sir Ranulph Fiennes - Explorer

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08 Jun 2020Ep. 137: Patrick McKeown - On Breath, Resilience and the Oxygen Advantage01:10:15

Today’s episode in many ways is about resilience. There is an awful lot happening right now. We have a global pandemic of course, there are riots happening the USA following the murder of George Floyd – and protests around the world because of that event, a global economic recession, not to mention all the other stuff happening before all of this.

There is plenty of risk and uncertainty out there (and let’s not forget, opportunity). On top of that, we are all dealing with whatever personal stuff we have going on because well, we are all human. As a result, we need to think about resilience, and that means, getting back to basics – the breath.

That may sound strange. However, most people don’t know how to breathe properly. When we don’t breathe well, it increases stress, reduces resilience, and our overall quality of life. My guest today is Patrick McKeown. Patrick is a world-renowned author and breathing practitioner. His book, The Oxygen Advantage, is based on years of scientific research.

Patrick tailors his breathing exercises for anyone looking to improve their health, fitness, and sports performance. He works with professional and Olympic athletes. We was recently made a fellow of the Royal Society of Biology in the UK for his contribution to and understanding of breathing.

His message is simple – how we breathe at rest and exercise affects our health, including our mental health and our performance. That means nasal breathing and as you will hear, light breathing. And this also means nasal breathing throughout the day – sleeping, exercise, work and rest.

Patrick shares a ton of fascinating stuff about the breath, including:

  • Why most of us don’t breathe properly and what we can do about that;
  • The benefits of nasal breathing;
  • Breathing and anxiety and depression;
  • Why taking so-called ‘deep breaths’ is bad advice;
  • Exercises we can do to test and improve our breathing;
  • Comparisons between what Patrick does and the Wim Hof technique;
  • Tons more!

Show notes:

Patrick McKeown

The Oxygen Advantage

Patrick’s YouTube Channel

Links to the studies mentioned by Patrick

2 tests you can do – The Body Oxygen Level Test (BOLT) and The Maximum Breathlessness Test

Oura rings

The Vagus Nerve

Parasympathetic nervous system

The Bohr Effect

Stanford Medical School study on breathing and tranquillity

The Wim Hof method

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24 Feb 2023Ep. 191: Sarah Waylett - On Burnout and Breaking the Stress Cycle01:19:20

Today, we discuss some risks to ourselves – more specifically, stress and burnout. My guest is Sarah Waylett. Sarah is a self-described recovering perfectionist and over-achiever. She spent many years in the world of high-performance management consulting. This eventually took a toll on her both physically and mentally. Ultimately, she decided to understand her perfectionist tendencies.

This led her to found her own consultancy called Dreamgarten because she saw in others the same tendencies and the same results – overwork and burnout. She developed her own method to deal with burnout using human-centred design thinking, the same techniques she used to facilitate business problem-solving. She found that this approach worked.

We get into that and a lot of other great stuff here that is highly relevant to clear thinking and decision-making. If you lead teams or want to better understand, prevent and/or recover from burnout there is a lot of great stuff in this conversation. Sarah explains her definition of burnout, its impacts on the body and on decision-making, the importance of mindfulness practices, the stress cycle, and ways to prevent and combat burnout.

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Sarah Waylett

Dreamgarten

Sarah on LinkedIn

Sarah on stress and stressors

Burnout – The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle by Emily and Amelia Nagoski

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13 Feb 2024Ep. 212: Daniel Wagner - On The China Epiphany01:02:04

This is part 2 of 2 with Daniel Wagner on focuses on his fourth and latest book about China: The China Epiphany – Comprehending China’s Relationship With America and The Rest of the World.

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Daniel Wagner

The China Epiphany

Decision-Making in the Polycrisis Era

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20 May 2020Ep. 135: Mike Clark: Uncertainty and Mental Performance01:11:03

As the global coronavirus pandemic continues, more and more is being said and written about the mental health impact it is having. Dealing with uncertainty can be mentally draining. So, this and our subsequent episode will focus on mental conditioning – the ways in which our thought patterns, emotions and physiology affect our judgement. This is something we have talked about before on the show but the current situation brings it all into sharp relief.

My guest today is Mike Clark. Mike is a Certified Mental Performance Consultant and has a Masters in Sports Psychology. Mike works with all types of performers – from athletes in a variety of sports to musicians – to help them improve their mental game. Even though Mike and I recorded this episode just before the Covid19 lockdowns, I am amazed at how prescient and useful it is. Mike discusses and shares tips and techniques around:

  • Fear and uncertainty;
  • Cognitive fusion;
  • Resilience;
  • Reframing;
  • Body language
  • Much more!

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Mike Clark;

Mike’s company Clark Performance Consulting;

Mike on Twitter;

Mike on Instagram;

Twitter thread – Clark Kent, Superman and problem solving versus problem prevention;

The Association for Applied Sports Psychology;

IMG Academy;

Michael Sachs;

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15 Sep 2024Ep. 228: Dave Snowden - On How to Make Sense of an Uncertain World00:58:57

Today, my guest is Dave Snowden, a leading expert in complexity theory and knowledge management. Dave is the creator of the Cynefin Framework, which is a tool for understanding challenges and helping us make decisions within the right context. His work is international in nature. It covers government and industry, looking at complex issues relating to strategy and organizational decision-making. He is a popular and passionate keynote speaker on a range of topics, and he's well-known for his pragmatic cynicism - and you will hear that come through as you listen to this episode.

I wish I had come across Dave's work earlier in my career because I think I'd have made some different career choices. In particular, his 2007 Harvard Business Review article with Mary Boone is excellent. It was on the cover of the November edition of the HBR and won the Academy of Management Award for Best Paper of that year.

In this episode, we dive into the nuances of decision-making in complex environments. He walks us through the Cynefin Framework and how it helps us understand the challenges at hand. Dave shares insights into how organizations can avoid the pitfalls of traditional decision-making approaches that often oversimplify complex issues. We also explore the role of narrative in making sense of complexity and how his work with something called SenseMaker, supports capturing and interpreting diverse perspectives. If you're interested in how to navigate complexity and make better decisions in uncertain times, this episode is a must-listen.

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Dave Snowden

The Cynefin Framework

Dave and Mary Boone’s 2007 HBR Article, “A Leader’s Framework for Decision-Making”

SenseMaker

Estuarine Mapping

EU Field Guide to Managing Complexity (and Chaos) in Times of Crisis

Wardley Maps - A strategic mapping technique that helps organizations understand and adapt to their competitive landscape.

Gary Klein’s Pre-mortem

Max Boisot’s I-Space

London taxi drivers’ “The Knowledge”

Taylorism

Agile

Hawthorne effect

Cynefin’s ‘risk matrix’

Abductive thinking

Dave on algorithmic induction

Dave on AI: “anthropomorphising idiot savants”

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14 Aug 2020Ep. 142: Daniel Wagner - The Chinese Vortex00:55:30

Today we welcome back several-time guest and friend of the show, Daniel Wagner. As you may know, Daniel and I have been doing a series on Covid19. This time however, we talk China and specifically, the focus of Daniel’s latest book The Chinese Vortex – The Belt and Road Initiative and Its Impact on the World. As you will hear the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a set of large infrastructure projects that China has been using to extend its influence on the world. It is an extension of China’s tremendous and growing power.

As you will also hear all is not as it seems with the BRI, nor is all as it was intended. In fact, the BRI is an insightful prism through which to understand not only China’s place in the world, how it views the world, but also its weaknesses. We cover a lot in this episode, including:

  • The origins of the BRI and its objectives;
  • So-called “debt trap diplomacy”;
  • How BRI projects are received;
  • China’s export of authoritarianism;
  • China, the BRI and Covid19;
  • How China views the upcoming US elections;
  • Much more!

Show notes:

Daniel’s latest book – The Chinese Vortex – The Belt and Road Initiative and Its Impact on the World and in Amazon’s UK site

Daniel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/countryriskmgmt

Daniel’s company, Country Risk Solutions: http://countryrisksolutions.com/

Daniel’s other recent books:

China Vision on Amazon’s US site

China Vision on Amazon’s UK site

AI Supremacy

Virtual Terror

The Belt and Road Initiative

Debt trap diplomacy

The string of pearls geopolitical strategy

Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index

Coca Codo dam in Ecuador

The Malaysia 1MDB scandal

DCEP, China’s digital currency

China’s Social Credit System

Daniel’s recent interview on RT’s Crosstalk

Unrestricted warfare

Pew survey on China

Ep. 91 with Daniel and Keith Furst and Ep 138 Ep 132Ep 129,  Ep 124Ep 119 Ep 102 Ep 98  Ep 69,  Ep 57Ep 17 and Ep 10 with Daniel Wagner

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21 Oct 2021Ep. 166: David Richman - "Cycle of Lives", Cancer, Death, Living, and Cycling01:16:23

What can we learn about living from the prospect (indeed the certainty) of dying? Meet David Richman. David is an author, speaker, trainer, and endurance athlete. For the purposes of this conversation, he is the author of Cycle of Lives, a book that tells 15 different people’s stories around the emotional chaos of cancer. David lost his own sister to cancer, which, as will hear, led to his ventures in endurance sport. That is relevant because not only did David write 15 very compelling stories, but he also rode a bike across the United States to meet with those subjects in person, covering a distance of over 5,000 miles (approximately 8,000 kilometers).

We talk about all of that and more, including:

  • The certainty of death, and what that does to those facing it directly, and those around them;
  • How to have difficult conversations;
  • Various stories from the book;
  • Endurance sport and pushing one’s limits.

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David Richman;

David on:

            Twitter

            LinkedIn

            Instagram

Cycle of Lives;

Chris Boardman

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18 Jul 2022Ep. 180: Oscar Scafidi - Kayaking the Mangoky01:32:20

One of the things we love on this show (and as human beings for that matter – I think), is adventure. I think that’s because adventures are one of the best ways we have to embrace uncertainty. They involve not being quite sure of the outcomes of something we may be trying to do, or what we will encounter along the way. Adventure also necessarily involves risk – and that is a good thing. And of course, a good adventure, in whatever form it takes, is fun.

So, it’s a pleasure to welcome back Oscar Scafidi to the show. Oscar is currently based in Tunisia. He is a travel writer, educator, and an Africa political risk consultant. Oscar’s first appearance on All Things Risk involved his expedition kayaking the Kwanza river in Angola. In this episode, Oscar share his most recent adventure in which he and his friend Ben Stephen attempted to kayak the Mangoky River in Madagascar from the source to the sea – a total of about 500 kilometres. In the process, they attempted to set a Guinness World Record and raise money for two charities – The World Food Programme and Our Kids, Our Future Madagascar.

Like any good adventure, Oscar and Ben’s draws you in. We get into the detail of the adventure and at a certain point, you almost feel like you’re there, experiencing it with Oscar and Ben. However, we also take a step back and talk about purpose, resilience, mental strength, planning, and loads more.

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Kayak the Mangoky

The World Food Programme Madagascar

Our Kids, Our Future Madagascar

Oscar’s YouTube channel

Oscar’s first appearance on All Things Risk – Kayaking the Kwanza

Klepper kayaks

Security issues in Madagascar’s Dahalo region

Bilharzia

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23 Apr 2020Ep. 133: Chris Sparks - Poker, Mental Training and Performance01:13:01

Today we talk about decision-making, resilience, mental training and more with our guest, Chris Sparks. Chris is a professional poker player who was ranked among the Top 20 of the world’s best online players. It is this experience making an exponential number of decisions and performing at an elite level that has given Chris a number of insights and practices that he has further developed. He helps people apply these to both their work and their personal growth.If you listen to a couple of our previous episodes with Annie Duke and Alec Torelli you will know that poker mimics life because it is a game that involves decision-making under uncertainty and incomplete information. This makes Chris’ expertise and experience highly transferable. He is the founder and CEO of The Forcing Function, a company that is dedicated to empowering the next generation of entrepreneurship.

In this episode, Chris shares a wealth of very useful techniques to improve performance and deal with uncertainty and that are incredibly useful, particularly now. We cover:

  • Decision-making techniques;
  • What to do when things go wrong;
  • Why we are all “mental athletes” and the importance of mental training;
  • The importance (and limitations) of story;
  • What Chris learned at Davos
  • Much more!

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The Forcing Function

Chris on Twitter

The Forcing Function’s Expected Value Calculator

The Fermi problem

Firebreak

Narrative bias

Article – Manage Your Energy Not Your Time

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09 Mar 2021Ep. 157: Annie Duke - How to Decide01:08:26

As human beings, there are many ways in which we tend not to make great decisions, particularly when risk is involved. So, what does great decision-making under uncertainty look like? This episode is jam-packed with plenty of insight, useful techniques and fascinating research. Making her second appearance on the All Things Risk podcast is Annie Duke. Annie is a former World Series of Poker champion (she’s won ~$4 million in the game before retiring in 2012) and is now a speaker, consultant and decision scientist.

We had Annie on the show a couple of years ago to discuss her first book Thinking in Bets – Making Smarter Decisions When You Don’t Have All the Facts – a best-seller. Today, Annie joins us to talk about her latest book How to Decide – Simple Tools for Making Better Choices. In it, she merges her poker expertise with her cognitive psychology research to create a series of tools anyone can learn to make better decisions.

We get into a ton of great stuff about decision-making in this podcast covering risk, faulty information, how to make great decisions quickly, we talk about quitting, why decision-making isn’t taught in schools, Annie’s work for the Alliance for Decision Education and much more.

Show notes:

Annie’s website

How to Decide

Thinking in Bets

The Alliance for Decision Education

Michael Mauboussin

Daniel Kahneman

Amos Tversky

Richard Thaler

Pete Carroll

Motivated reasoning

Satisficing

Angela Duckworth and Grit

Alex Honnold - Free Solo

Cass Sunstein

Barry Staw

Katy Milkman

Jack Horner

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19 Aug 2024Inbetweenisode: Risk - We're Breaking Up00:04:27

 

We are changing our name. Why?

This tongue-in-cheek Inbetweenisode explains

15 Mar 2024Ep. 214: Laura Fox - On "Canary Risk"01:22:28

Today, I'm delighted to welcome Laura Fox to the show. Laura is a risk management professional and the founder of Canary Risk, a firm that helps clients with outsourced risk management and to navigate uncertainty. Canary Risk is a relatively new firm, and Laura took her own personal and professional risks to set it up, so we obviously talk about that. We also cover the state of the risk profession, hiring, cognitive diversity, values, and so much more.

Laura's enthusiasm, her curiosity, courage, and authenticity come through so well in this conversation, and my favourite part is towards the end when she talks about her own decision-making approach in deciding to set up Canary Risk. And I won't say too much here because I want you to listen to it, other than to say that it's a powerful reminder that in order to make quality decisions, we need to have clarity about what's It's important to us. And that's different for each one of us.

One-size-fits-all, never fits.

Link to video version of the podcast.

Show notes:

Canary Risk

Canary clinics

Laura on LinkedIn

Michele Wucker

Rogue Waves by Jonathan Brill

How to Measure Anything by Doug Hubbard

Decision Quality by Spetzler, Winter and Meyer

Christian Hunt

FAIR methodology

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18 Dec 2023Ep. 206: Roger Miles - On Culture, Leadership, Performative Risk Management and more01:22:58

Today's episode is a wonderful look at organizational culture, performative risk management, that is risk management theatre, ways to quickly assess a healthy culture, and much more.

My guest is the brilliant Dr. Roger Miles.

For those of you who don't know him, Roger researches and engages with many kinds of organisations about how people perceive risk and make decisions under uncertainty. He has worked on, studied, and advised organizations about ethics, culture, psychology, and risk, decision-making under stress, and many more areas.

He is the author of Conduct Risk Management: Using a Behavioral Approach to Protect Your Board and Financial Services.

Conduct risk simply means the risk of people behaving badly.

He's also the lead author of Culture Audit in Financial Services.

And this conversation came about, because of an interaction I had with Roger about performative risk management – that is, stuff that happens only for show, not because it's actually helpful. And we talk about that, and it turns out that there is a long history of it.

However, there is so much more in this wonderful episode, which covers everything from 

authoritarianism, unethical contracts, abstracts, codes of practice, AI, cognitive diversity, and a lot more.

Show notes:

Roger’s website

Roger on LinkedIn

Conduct Risk Management: Using a Behavioral Approach to Protect Your Board and Financial Services

Culture Audit in Financial Services.

Mission Improbable by Lee Clarke

States of Denial by Stanley Cohen

Fundamental attribution error

Taskmaster

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01 Mar 2024Ep. 213: Colin Pereira - Decision-Making in International Journalism in High-Risk Environments01:03:41

Today, we discuss decision-making in international journalism, particularly when it comes to high-risk environments like conflict zones and natural disasters. My guest is Colin Pereira who was the Deputy Head of High Risk Security at the BBC and later Head of High Risk Security at ITN. Now he is a Director of the security consultancy HP Risk Management and a co-founder of Risk Pal, a risk assessment platform. Colin knows all about decision-making and risk to journalists in places like Ukraine and Gaza. 

He talks about that and the result is a fascinating conversation. We cover how decisions to deploy journalists are made, insights into covering the conflicts in Gaza and Ukraine, the future of international journalism including misinformation, as well as Colin's own decision-making as a start-up founder.

Show notes:

Colin on LinkedIn

RiskPal

HP Risk Management

John Schofield’s death

CNN’s Clarissa Ward

Committee to Protect Journalists

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15 Aug 2022Ep. 181: Suzy Levy - Mind the Inclusion Gap01:20:06

Today’s conversation is another look at inclusion – and more specifically, the gap between what is being said and what is being done. If we think about the amount of time we are hearing about diversity and the proliferation of programmes in this space, we might thing that there is a lot of progress being made. The reality however, is very different – on the whole, diversity efforts are moving at a glacial pace. That is not only a problem, it also presents plenty of risk. Homophobia, racism, transphobia and misogyny are very prevalent.

I want you to meet our guest, Suzy Levy. Suzy is the founder and Managing Director of The Red Plate, a non-executive board member of the Department of Education, a Trustee of the Women’s Sport Trust, a member of the Advisory Board at Foundervine, and a member of the Strategic Race Board at the Home Office. Suzy’s book Mind the Inclusion Gap draws on her extensive experience designing and implementing some of the most progressive and recognised diversity and inclusion programmes in the UK.

In this episode, Suzy shares a number of great insights, including:

  • Why being kind and having a moral compass isn’t enough;
  • What many organisations get wrong in this space;
  • Why we shouldn’t fear causing offence;
  • How to address some of the failings

Show notes:

Mind the Inclusion Gap

Suzy on socials:

            LinkedIn

            Twitter

            Instagram

Suzy’s consultancy Red Plate

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10 Jun 2024Ep. 221: Melina Moleskis - On Meta Decisions, and more01:15:23

Today, I am delighted to be joined by fellow decision-making professional Melina Moleskis. I came across Melina via Christian Hunt, who I've had on the show a couple of times now. Melina and I featured in a two-part series on decision-making in Christian's Human Risk podcast

Melina is the founder of Meta Decisions, a consultancy that leverages decision and behavioural science to help people and organizations make better decisions. She has a PhD in managerial science, an MBA from NYU Stern, and a bachelor's degree in mathematics. 

And she takes all that training and applies it in very useful and interesting ways. You will hear a lot of that reflected in this wonderful conversation that covered so much interesting ground from:

  • what the decision and behavioural sciences are;
  • the concept of indecisiveness and how to overcome that;
  • dealing with complexity
  • documenting decisions -This is something that is actually quite overlooked at times:
  • “Kill criteria”
  • the state of decision education

·      And we even get into some discussion about sport and its role in decision-making as a microcosm of good decisions. Melina has a great perspective on that because she's also a former competitive basketball player.

Show notes:

Melina on LinkedIn

Melina’s firm Meta Decisions

What’s Your Problem by Thomas Wedell-Wedellsborg

Adam Grant

The Alliance for Decision Education on Keeping a Decision Journal

Emotional Agility by Susan David

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13 Apr 2021Ep. 158: Nick Bradley - Purpose and Mindset in Business and Life00:57:26

Today we meet Nick Bradley. Nick is a world-renowned business growth and scale-up specialist. He hosts his own podcast, the popular Scale Up Your Business podcast and is the co-founder of The Fielding Group, a growth accelerator that helps companies improve their business performance.

Nick has an interesting background in that he worked for what some might call the dark side of business, private equity. He led turnarounds, mergers and acquisitions and scale-ups before deciding that he wanted to use that knowledge to help founders and entrepreneurs. Nick discusses that world and that decision, his background in endurance athletics, and much more.

Show notes:

Nick’s website;

The Scale Up Your Business podcast;

The Fielding Group;

Profit First by Mike Michalowicz

David Goggins

Jocko Willink

Zig Ziglar

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12 Jun 2020Ep. 138: Covid19 Update III with Daniel Wagner00:55:09

Our latest update with Daniel Wagner on Covid19 and the geopolitical state of the world focuses on what’s been happening in the USA with the race-related protests and riots, the latest on Covid19, what has been happening between the USA and China and lots more.

Show notes:

Daniel’s latest book – The America-China Divide: The Race to Control the World in Amazon and in Amazon’s UK site

Daniel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/countryriskmgmt

Daniel’s company, Country Risk Solutions: http://countryrisksolutions.com/

Daniel’s other recent books:

China Vision on Amazon’s US site

China Vision on Amazon’s UK site

AI Supremacy

Virtual Terror

NPR Podcast – “American Police”

Daniel’s latest  article on the US presidential election

“Wolf Warrior” diplomats and China’s ambitions

History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

Ep. 91 with Daniel and Keith Furst and Ep 132Ep 129,  Ep 124Ep 119 Ep 102 Ep 98  Ep 69,  Ep 57Ep 17 and Ep 10 with Daniel Wagner

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09 Nov 2021Ep. 167: Ethan Lou - "Once a Bitcoin Miner"00:55:25

The next two episodes will be focused on cryptocurrencies and we will be giving this the full “All Things Risk” treatment. If you look at many of the resources available to try and understand this stuff, you will inevitably be driven to the areas of computer science, finance, economics and in some cases, philosophy. Bitcoin has even been described as a libertarian nirvana and many cryptocurrencies have an almost cult-like status amongst some of their proponents. On top of this, there is plenty of mis-information based on a lack of transparency – which of course can lead to fraud as much as (if not more than) riches.

What I have long thought is that there was a lack of explanation for the cryptocurrency phenomenon based on the human condition. That is, until now. Meet Ethan Lou. Ethan is a journalist at Canada’s Financial Post, an early crypto investor, and the author of a fabulous new book called Once a Bitcoin Miner – Scandal and Turmoil in the Cryptocurrency Wild West.

I came across Ethan upon reading his opinion piece in Canada’s Globe and Mail in which he equates the world of crypto to the “frontier myth” in which participants are motivated not just by greed and speculation but also by a sense of adventure and even fantasy. That entails good and bad things, particularly when that fantasy comes up against reality. Ethan has met a range of colourful and sometimes dodgy characters during his crypto journey and he shares of some of that in this episode. This path even took him to North Korea, and we discuss that too. He also discusses whether or not these assets are in a bubble and shares advice for the crypto-curious.

Regardless of your views of and experiences in cryptocurrency and blockchain, I don’t think you can fully understand these things without understanding the perspective that Ethan shares. His insights are colourful, based on first-hand experience, and very revealing.

Show notes:

Ethan’s website;

Once a Bitcoin Miner;

Ethan on Twitter;

Ethan’s Financial Post column;

Ethan’s Globe and Mail article;

Anthony Di Iorio;

Virgil Griffith;

Ronny Chieng video in the Daily Show;

Nassim Taleb on Bitcoin;

Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs);

Gerald (Jerry) Cotton and the Quadriga insolvency;

Bitcoin ETFs

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12 May 2022Ep. 177: John List - On How and Why Things Scale, the Power of "Quitting" and More01:16:56

Today, we look at how and why some ideas take off and others don’t – in other words, how and why things scale. I am delighted to bring to you my conversation with John List. John has been described as a ‘master economist’ and a ‘revolutionary experimenter’. He is certainly a pioneer in combining economic theory with field experiments. John is currently the Chief Economist at Walmart and has held the same role at Lyft and Uber. He is also the Kenneth C. Griffin Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago’s Department of Economics and has been an economic advisor to the Bush White House.

For the purposes of this episode, John discusses his latest and fabulous book The Voltage Effect – How to Make Good Ideas Great and Great Ideas Scale. In it, John argues that scalability is critical to just about everything from medical breakthroughs to social movements. John shares a number of insights from the book, including the conditions necessary for something to scale and the secrets to high voltage scaling.

We also spend some time on a topic I consider fascinating – when and how to quit something that is not serving us. This is one of the secrets to high voltage scaling. It’s a fascinating conversation!

Show notes:

The Voltage Effect

John’s University of Chicago page

John on Twitter

John on LinkedIn

The Khasi people of India

Vince Lombardi

John’s piece in the Wall Street Journal on quitting

The quitting ‘coin flip’ experiment

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15 Mar 2023Ep. 192: Sander Van Der Linden - Why Misinformation is a Virus, and How to Build Immunity01:23:40

This episode is all about misinformation, which seems like it is everywhere – it’s almost like a virus. In fact, as you will hear in this fascinating conversation, that’s exactly how misinformation behaves. My guest is Dr. Sander Van Der Linden who is a Professor of Social Psychology in Society and Director of the Social Decision-Making Lab at the University of Cambridge. He has been described as Cambridge’s professor of ‘defence against the dark arts’.

Sander is the author of the fantastic new book Foolproof: Why Misinformation Infects Our Minds and How to Build Immunity. I don’t think that after you listen to him that you will look at misinformation and social media in the same way again. This conversation is also a great reminder that we are all susceptible to misinformation.

We spend time covering Sander’s background and the origins of the book, why our brains are susceptible to misinformation – which necessarily covers conspiracy theories, how misinformation spreads and the role of social media in that, and finally, how to create a vaccine against it. Sander also shares his experiences working with big tech on this problem.

Show notes:

Sander Van Der Linden

Foolproof: Why Misinformation Infects Our Minds and How to Build Immunity

Sander on Twitter

Robert Cialdini

Dan Ariely

Memetics

Illusory truth effect

The MMR vaccine and autism

The truth sandwich

Conjunction fallacy

David Stillwell on Cambridge Analytica

Aleksandr Kogan

The Nicola Bulley case

Sandy Hook shooting

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05 Dec 2021Ep. 169: Stan Lui - The White Hat Guys, Bringing Cool Creativity to Compliance01:01:53

This episode is all about how to take something that is important but frankly, considered to be less-than-exciting, and making that thing interesting and relevant. Anything that involves following rules is often like this – and if you do compliance or legal work, you will have come across this. And even if you don’t, chances are that you have faced this dilemma at some point.

When faced with this challenge, it’s crucial to get creative – or risk the consequences. Meet Stan Lui, our guest in this episode. In his day job, Stan is the Legal Director of a Hong Kong-based automotive firm. That means that he works with colleagues on legal topics that are considered ‘boring’ but are very important – consider the risks of fraud or corruption for instance.

So, Stan reached into his many creative talents – like street theatre – and founded something called the White Hat Guys. The White Hat Guys aims to create and innovative and engaging compliance narrative. This includes videos, interesting training and lots of cool techniques for what Stan calls “maximum message stickiness.”

We get into all of that, how and why Stan set up White Hat Guys, cultural differences on these and related topics, and a range of things in between.

Show notes:

Stan on LinkedIn

White Hat Guys

White Hat Guys on Instagram

The 6 hats of decision-making

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16 Oct 2020Ep. 146: Toby Kent - Reflections from Australia's First Chief Resilience Officer00:57:44

As we’ve either learned or have been reminded in 2020, the world is filled with uncertainty. Wouldn’t it be a good idea if more of us, and more of our institutions and ways of living embedded more resilience -  ways to withstand and even thrive in the midst of stressors and shocks? Has any of this been done before?

Well, here’s some good news – it has, at least in a few places. One of those places is Melbourne, Australia, one of the world’s most liveable cities and a city that has received positive press coverage for the way it has handled the Covid-19 pandemic. Our guest today has had something to do with that. He has been described as “the man helping to future-proof Melbourne”. Meet Toby Kent.

Toby was Melbourne’s Chief Resilience Officer, a position appointed under the Rockefeller Foundation’s Global Resilient Cities Initiative. In this role, Toby created and delivered Australia’s first urban resilience strategy, Resilient Melbourne, a collection of Melbourne’s 32 councils, State, private and non-profit organisations, And, as part of that strategy, Toby warned – back in 2015 – that a pandemic was among the 20 things that could threaten Melbourne.

So, we obviously get into that and talk about some of the lessons of the Covid-19 pandemic. We also get into a number of broader areas as well including the environment, climate change, mental health, anti-fragility, and community resilience. Toby has an extensive background in sustainability and resilience and I am sure that you will enjoy this conversation.

Show notes:

Toby’s website

Toby on Twitter

Toby on LinkedIn

Resilient Melbourne

Meet the Man Helping to Future-proof Melbourne” – article in The Age

Jane Jacobs

The Rockefeller Foundation

Deepwater Horizon

Social Capital and Disaster Recovery by Daniel Aldrich

Antifragile by Nassim Taleb

City Limits, the Grattan Institute

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11 Apr 2022Ep. 176: Susan Eisenhower - On Decision-Making, Russia-Ukraine and How Ike Led00:58:39

I’ve been wanting to have an episode in which we take a ‘big picture’ look at Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. However, there is so much analysis out there about the conflict that I wasn’t sure if I could bring on the right guest who could be highly credible and offer a unique perspective, preferably steeped in a wider historical context. This is why I am so delighted to bring to you my conversation with Susan Eisenhower.

Susan is the granddaughter of General and President Dwight Eisenhower. She wrote a critically-acclaimed book about her grandfather’s leadership principles entitled How Ike Led: The Principles Behind Eisenhower’s Biggest Decisions. She is also an expert on Russia-US relations, international security, energy, and space policy. She has served on numerous government task forces, is the Chair of Public Policy Programs at the Eisenhower Institute, and the founder of the Eisenhower Group, a consulting firm. So, she knows of what she speaks.

This episode proceeds in two parts. In the first half, Susan covers General President Dwight Eisenhower’s leadership principles, particularly how he made decisions. We focus on D-Day and when, as President, Ike looked at options to contain Soviet expansionism. These leadership and decision-making principles are not only fascinating, but they are also highly transferable.

In the second half, we fast forward to the present and discuss Russia’s war with Ukraine. Susan shares how we got here, a number of concerns she has, as well as the longer-term implications of the conflict. She also discusses decision-making in the context of nuclear war more broadly.

Show notes:

Susan Eisenhower

How Ike Led: The Principles Behind Eisenhower’s Biggest Decisions

The Eisenhower Foundation

The Great Man Theory of leadership

D-Day

Project Solarium

Atoms for Peace

Gettysburg College

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19 Jan 2024Ep. 208: Constance Dierickx - The 'Decision Doctor®' on 'Meta Leadership'01:14:01

In this episode, I welcome Constance Dierickx to the show. She is known as the “Decision Doctor®” and advises leaders on high-stakes decisions (think mergers, divestments, strategic changes, crises, and so on). She has a PhD in Clinical Psychology and is the author of three books, the latest of which is called Meta Leadership – How to See What Others Don’t and Make Great Decisions. We talk about that in this episode and more including the role of physical states in decision-making, deconstructing success, the veneration of leaders, high-stakes decisions and much more.

Show notes:

Constance Dierickx

Meta Leadership – How to See What Others Don’t and Make Great Decisions

Peter Attia’s The Drive with Andy Galpin

Alan Weiss

John Stumpf

Thinkers 50

Michael Bungay Stanier

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28 May 2024Ep. 219: Fraser Battye - Part One of Two: On Decision-Making, Creativity, Leadership, and More01:10:28

Today we have Part One of my two part conversation with Fraser Battye. Fraser is a Principal at the Strategy Unit of the UK National Health Service the NHS, and the Strategy Unit provides analysis and strategic change expertise. As part of that role, Fraser provides expert guidance on decision-making. And this is a two-part conversation which covers a huge number of fascinating dimensions of decision-making. In Part One, we cover :

  • balancing values with ethical considerations,
  • integrating the two brain hemispheres into the decision-making process
  • decision options as theories to test
  • AI and decision-making, and a lot more there

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19 Mar 2023Ep. 193: Paul McVeigh - What Elite Footballers Can Teach Us About High Performance01:00:58

Today, I am delighted to bring you my conversation with former Premier League footballer and now performance psychologist Paul McVeigh. Paul played professionally for the likes of Norwich City and Tottenham Hotspur and internationally for Northern Ireland. He competed with some of the sport’s best players and has taken this experience and developed his own methodology to performance psychology which he applies in his work with leaders and teams. He is also an author, having written The Stupid Footballer is Dead which discusses how football at an elite level is played every bit as much with the mind as it is on the pitch.

You certainly don’t need to be interested in football to get a lot out of this episode, but if you are, you will find it even more fascinating. Paul shares more about all this in this episode, including:

  • ·      The day he began his professional career at Tottenham which also happened to coincide with the first day of World Cup-winning colleague Jurgen Klinsmann;
  • ·      How he started to apply psychology as a professional footballer at a time when sports psychology wasn’t something very common;
  • ·      What he learned from being on the same pitch as Cristiano Ronaldo;
  • ·      What former Chelsea great Gianfranco Zola told him about Diego Maradona;
  • ·      The decision to retire as a footballer to do what he does now;
  • ·      The differences and similarities between elite footballers and high-performance leaders
  • ·      Much more

Show notes:

Paul’s website

Paul’s book The Stupid Footballer is Dead

George Best

Keith Gillespie

Manchester United’s Class of 92

Tony Robbins

The Thought Cycle and Cognitive Behavioural Therapy

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03 Dec 2020Ep. 149: Lan and Harlan Cao - Family in Six Tones01:25:12

This is our first-ever mother and daughter guest combination on the podcast. I am delighted to bring you this conversation with Lan Cao and her daughter Harlan Cao, co-authors of an amazing book entitled Family in Six Tones.

Lan Cao is an acclaimed author who was born in Saigon, Vietnam in 1961, a turbulent time in that country’s history – which would only get more turbulent. During this time, she found solace in books and stories. In 1975, as South Vietnam fell to North Vietnam, Lan was adopted by an American officer and went to live in the United States. Her parents followed several months later. Lan began American high school and her initial time in the USA coincided with loneliness, loss of country and at times hostility. In that, she again found solace in reading. So, it is perhaps not surprising that - during and after a career in law – she became a writer.

Family in Six Tones is a dual person memoir by Lan and Harlan. Harlan is 18 years old and starting university. She obviously has a very different upbringing from Lan. The contrast in cultures and personalities makes this book incredibly interesting through its interwoven chapters written by both Lan and Harlan. Lan describes struggling to find her place in the USA as a 13-year old refugee through to being a mother, and the aftermath of the Vietnam War. Harlan describes her own struggles and challenges which are different to that of her mother.

In all of this, there is something quite universal that fits many of the themes of our show around dealing with uncertainty, risk and setbacks. We cover so much ground in this episode – Lan discusses her life in Vietnam, moving to the USA, geopolitics. Harlan and Lan discuss cultural differences – particularly between the individual and the collective, we focus on uncertainty, and tons more.

Show notes:

Family in Six Tones

Lan’s website

Lan on Goodreads

The Tet offensive

Realpolitik

“Pottery Barn rule”

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16 Sep 2021Ep. 164: Dr. Gleb Tsipursky - Cognitive Biases and Returning to the Office00:59:14

Today we talk about the work in a post-pandemic world. I welcome back to the show Dr. Gleb Tsipursky. Gleb is a best-selling author, the CEO and founder of Disaster Avoidance Experts and an expert on cognitive biases and decision-making. He joins the podcast to discuss his latest book Returning to the Office and Leading Hybrid and Remote Teams.

We discuss the mistakes that the likes of Facebook, Amazon, and others have made when returning to physical offices, how organizations can avoid these, why hybrid working is here to stay, cognitive biases and the new era of work, and much more.

Show notes:

Returning to the Office and Leading Hybrid and Remote Teams

Disaster Avoidance Experts

Gleb on LinkedIn

Gleb’s website;

Gleb on Twitter

Episodes 45  76 and 126 of All Things Risk with Gleb Tsipurksy

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28 Jan 2023Ep. 190: Sarah Davis - Paddling the Nile, Part 2 of 201:04:14

This is Part 2 of 2 of our conversation with Sarah Davis, the first woman to have paddled the Nile from its source in Rwanda to the sea off the coast of Egypt, a 6,500+ km journey that took six months.

If you have not done so, we encourage you to listen to Part 1 first, which you can find here or wherever you get your podcasts.

In Part 2, Sarah covers the second half of her journey which includes traveling through Sudan and Egypt. She also shares a number of wonderful lessons that are applicable to any ambitious endeavour.

Show notes:

Paddle the Nile

Sarah’s website

Sarah on LinkedIn

Danielle Laporte – what will you do to feel the way you want to feel?

Annie Duke on decision-making

Viktor Frankl

Sir Ranulph Fiennes - Explorer

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29 May 2024Ep. 220: Fraser Battye - Part Two of Two: On Uncertainty, Options, Creativity Cognitive Biases and more00:54:17

This is Part Two of Two with Fraser Battye of the NHS Strategy Unit. If you haven’t heard Part One, I suggest you give it a listen, although it’s not strictly necessary. This episode is a continuation of the same conversation and covers creativity, uncertainty, cognitive biases and the limits of nudges.

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06 Sep 2020Ep. 144: Saray Khumalo - Decision-Making, Diversity and Mount Everest00:52:40

Today, we discuss diversity, purpose, mountains, setbacks, and success. Our guest on this episode is Saray Khumalo, the first Black African woman to have summited Mount Everest and to reach the South Pole. Saray is an award-winning mountaineer, a speaker, an entrepreneur, and a philanthropist. She is South Africa, born in Zambia and of Rwandan descent.

Last year, after three previous failed attempts, Saray reached the summit of Mount Everest, to much acclaim and fanfare, including from those who likely doubted her. When you listen to her story, you realise that this achievement encompassed many highs, but also lows and setbacks – including . Mountaineering involves making decisions in an environment in which a poor decision can lead to paying the ultimate price. This is real-world risk management.

Beyond this, the reality is that even in 2020, diversity in mountaineering and adventuring simply isn’t there. Many do not think about a stereotypical adventurer and envision a black woman. And that, is in many ways, why Saray does what she does. This is both an inspiring and insightful episode.

Show notes:

Saray’s website

Saray on Twitter

Saray’s successful summit of Mount Everest

Saray’s South Pole expedition

Saray featured by the Nelson Mandela Foundation- “Madiba exemplified”

Saray’s TED talk

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18 Feb 2022Ep. 173: Minal Bopaiah - On Equity, Designing Organisations Where All Can Thrive00:59:49

Today, we look at organisations and the people within them. I want you to meet our guest, Minal Bopaiah. Minal is the founder of Brevity and Wit, a strategy and design firm dedicated to designing a more equitable world. She is also the author of a great book Equity – How to Design Organisations Where Everyone Can Thrive. Minal is based in the USA but her expertise and experience in combining human-centred design, behaviour change science, and the principles of inclusion, diversity, equity and accountability is relevant to people everywhere.

From the perspective of risk, uncertainty and decision-making, the concept of equity – the way Minal addresses it – leads to better outcomes. I think that’s because it creates more robust and higher-quality decisions. Minal also makes the distinctions between diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility very clear. Her approach is down-to-earth and pragmatic – and very engaging.

Show notes:

Minal Bopaiah

Brevity and Wit

Equity – How to Design Organisations Where Everyone Can Thrive

Article – “How Putting Yourself in Someone Else’s Shoes May Backfire”

The BJP political party in India

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27 Aug 2023Ep. 200: Gareth Lock - Decision-Making and Human Factors in Deep Sea Diving01:07:31

In this episode, we look at decision-making in the world of deep sea diving, a topic that provides us with so many transferable lessons to other domains. It is also a very fun conversation. My guest is Gareth Lock. Gareth is the founder of The Human Diver, an organisation that improves the effectiveness of diving skills through specific human factors training.

Gareth has had a long career as a diver, starting out his career in the Royal Air Force where he spent 25 years. Over the years he realised that one thing the military does very well is teamwork – which, of course makes sense because poor decisions, bad behaviour and a lack of situational awareness can cost lives. Gareth found that the world of diving focused heavily on technical expertise – obviously important – but emphasised human behaviours and decision-making less than it should. As a result, he brings these approaches to the diving profession. Gareth has led many complex dives all over the world. He has also taken a huge amount of amazing underwater photos which you can see on his website.

This conversation is filled with wonderful insights about decision-making, working in teams, planning, the importance of constructive dissent, psychological safety, a just culture, making change happen, systems thinking and much more.

Show notes:

The Human Diver, Gareth’s website

Gareth’s book Under Pressure – Diving Deeper with Human Factors

Gareth’s documentary ‘If Only’

Steve Shorrock on Human Factors

Local rationality

Blog post: “Near misses: Were you lucky or good?”

Authority gradients

Creeping determinism

The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande

Join the Club by Tina Rosenberg

Piper Alpha

Kotter’s 8 step model for leading change

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30 Dec 2022Ep. 187: Annie Duke - On "Quit," The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away01:18:01

This episode is about something with which our society has a very unhealthy relationship: quitting. The advice of the legendarily successful is often boiled down to this: stick to things, don’t quit. But that advice is very wrong. Annie Duke makes her third appearance on the podcast to tell us that quitting is far from a vice. Contrary to popular belief, winners quit a lot. That’s how they win.

If you are unfamiliar with Annie, she is a best-selling author, decision scientist, and a former professional poker champion. Her latest book is called Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away. In it, she draws on a wealth of findings in behavioural science, real-life examples, and thoughtful analysis to make the case for quitting. She joins to talk about that, why quitting is such an important skill, and how to get better at it.

Show notes:

Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away

Annie’s website

How to Decide

Thinking in Bets

Michael Mauboussin

Daniel Kahneman

Amos Tversky

Richard Thaler

Pete Carroll

Expected Value

Loss Aversion

Status Quo bias

Survivorship bias

Escalation of commitment

John List’s piece on quitting

Ep 157 of All Things Risk with Annie

Ep 90 of All Things Risk with Annie

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10 Jul 2020Ep. 140: Jamie Woodhouse - On Sentientism, Science, and A Bit of Blade Runner01:00:24

This episode takes on a topic we’ve not tackled before – sentientism. My guest is Jamie Woodhouse. Jamie is an advisor, campaigner and a former colleague of mine (he was a partner at Accenture). For the purposes of this episode however, he is a sentientist. Sentientism is an ethical philosophy that uses reason and evidence to consider all sentient beings – that is, beings that can experience suffering or flourishing.

Jamie runs a website on the topic, campaigns and provides thought leadership on this topic. This is a conversation that is increasingly relevant given Covid19 and our relationship with the natural world. It is also relevant because it isn’t possible to discuss this topic without discussing reason, evidence and science.

In this episode, we cover:

  • What sentientism is and arguments for it;
  • How it differs from ethical veganism;
  • Why secular humanism (which embraces human reason and ethics as the basis for morality and decision-making) needs an overhaul;
  • Tribalism and why many of us don’t change our minds in light of evidence contrary to our views;
  • Sentientism and artificial intelligence – which led us to the film Blade Runner of course;
  • Much more

Show notes:

Sentientism.info;

Sentientism on Twitter;

Sentientism Facebook Group;

Jamie’s website;

Jamie on Twitter;

Akrasia

Peter Singer

Jonathan Haidt

The Precipice: Existential Risk and the Future of Humanity by Toby Ord

Solipsism

Blade Runner

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17 May 2024Ep. 218: Nuno Reis, PhD - On Uncertainty, The Dangers of Probability Dogma, and more01:30:04

Today, I have the pleasure of welcoming Nuno Reis to the show. I came across Nuno via his LinkedIn posts on uncertainty and in particularly around something called Bayesian Analysis or Bayesian Thinking. If you’ve never come across the term, Bayesian Analysis is the mathematical interpretation of probability. And it underpins so much of our world  - and increasingly so because many AI models are built on Bayesian Thinking.

Nuno is quite critical of how Bayesian Thinking is applied – because we can never remove the human from the numbers and the models. He says that an embrace of Bayesian Thinking – useful as it is, has become an unhealthy dogma. And – that resonated with me particularly because as I looked at Nuno’s background I saw someone saying this who is a trained mathematician with a PhD in Mathematics in String Theory and did a postdoc at Oxford. He worked in the financial sector during the Global Financial Crisis where he sees parallels now in the worlds of AI and related areas.

So, I invited him to the show and we had a great conversation that covers not only the topics of Bayesian Thinking, the financial industry, but also the topic of uncertainty, lots of philosophy and running.

I hope you enjoy it and find it insightful. Here is Nuno Reis.

Show notes:

Nuno on LinkedIn

Nuno’s free book, Beyond Luck

Bayesian Thinking

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28 Dec 2023Ep. 207: Merlin Tuttle - On Misguided Fear of Bats and Their Conservation00:59:38

I was also going to release this one over Halloween, but I think that for the reasons that you will hear, it's far, far more appropriate to release it now. My guest is Dr. Merlin Tuttle, and today we talk about the conservation of bats. Merlin is a well-known American conservationist. He is the founder of Merlin Tuttle's Bat Conservation. He has studied and photographed bats for over 60 years, and in so doing, he has changed the perception of bats, from that of bats being an animal to be feared to one of them being valuable, safe, even cute, and likable. Bats also play an important role in protecting plant species, controlling deadly mosquito populations, and reducing the reliance on pesticides.

However, there is a lot more work to do because forest habitats of bats are disappearing, and bat populations are vulnerable. And as you will hear, the fear of bats is still a huge factor in all of this. This is also a conversation about fear. And we discuss that. Merlin shares his background, how and why he developed the largest collection of bat photographs anywhere in the world, bats and contagious diseases (and the myths around that). We also talk about Merlin's work protecting the bat colony of the Congress Avenue Bridge in Austin, Texas, which has now become a world-famous tourist site, and so much more.

Show notes:

Merlin Tuttle’s Bat Conservation

Merlin’s bat resources

Merlin’s video gallery

James Fairhead’s paper on the Ebola virus

Bats on the Congress Avenue Bridge in Austin, Texas

Exaggerated Disease Warnings - here you can find articles, citations, infographics for sharing all about bats and disease.

White-Nose Syndrome  

Finding, Protecting and Restoring America's Historic Bat Caves    

Pesticide Addiction: How Bats Can Help

Rabies in Perspective

Selecting a Quality Bat House 

Photo gallery

All about Austin's bats, www.austinbats.org

About MTBC field trips:

Citizen Scientists: In Search of Bats

 

Videos:

Winning Friends, Not Battles

Importance of Bats

Bats are Austin's Favorite Neighbors

Khao Chong Pran story

True Facts: Help the Bats!

Of Agaves and Bats film, https://vimeo.com/277755110

More videos for all bat values, https://www.merlintuttle.org/video-gallery/

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08 Nov 2023Ep. 204: Sabrina Segal - On Tolerable Risk in the Humanitarian and International Development 'Third' Sectors01:21:07

Today, I speak to Sabrina Segal about managing risk in the so -called “third sector”, which is the charity and non-profit sector.Sabrina is an international development and humanitarian assistance professional.She has worked on the ground during many humanitarian crises and international development roles in the likes of the Middle East and North Africa, Sub -Saharan Africa, and South Asia.

She is an attorney by training, but for the past few years has been involved in risk management and decision making in the third sector. And she hosts a podcast called Tolerable Risk, which provides insights on these topics.

And we get into all of that in this conversation. And I always find insights about risk and decision making from other contexts to be fascinating because there are always a number of transferable things.
The third sector deals with high stakes issues, use, complex relationships, and resource constraints.You will hear that that context is incredibly important when it comes to managing risk.

You will also hear that ‘traditional risk management’ simply doesn't work in this context.And we talk a lot about that. And what I find very impressive and inspirational about what Sabrina does is that she is setting out to change that, and you will certainly hear more about that too.

Show notes:

Sabrina on LinkedIn

Tolerable Risk

The Tolerable Risk Podcast

Grand Bargain Agreement

The Paris Declaration

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04 Sep 2024Ep. 227: Jonny Miller - On Nervous System Mastery and Decision-Making01:36:05

Today, we delve into the role of our nervous system in decision-making, and we explore whether the best decision-making is emotional. This one will perhaps make you think differently about that. That does not mean that we ought to decide impulsively or like a toddler, but it does mean that we should integrate our emotional states into our decision-making. And doing that is a skill that involves knowing how to work with our nervous system.

My guest is Jonny Miller, who makes his second appearance on the show. Jonny works with leaders and founders on burnout and how to regulate their nervous systems. He was a successful startup founder himself, but for the last several years has studied and practised nervous system mastery intensely, he has curated the most effective evidence-based practices he's found, and he leads a program called Nervous System Mastery.

On this episode, we cover breathwork and how to regulate our nervous system, how to work with our emotions, the body and its role in emotions and decision-making, why Johnny believes that the best decision-making is indeed emotional, making decisions in triggered states and how to avoid that, leadership, and so much more.

Show notes:

Jonny’s website

Jonny’s Nervous System Mastery programme

Jonny’s article “Why The Best Decision-Making is Emotional”

Curious Humans with Jonny Miller

Rory Sutherland

Iain McGilchrist

Confabulation

The Hour Between Dog and Wolf by John Coates

The Sports Gene by David Epstein

Patrick McKeown, The Oxygen Advantage – Ep. 137 of  our podcast

The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk

Non-sleep deep rest

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15 May 2023Ep. 195: Bent Flyvbjerg - On How Big Things Get Done01:28:19

Today, we talk about how big things get done. A ‘big thing’ can mean a large infrastructure project, an IT project at work, or something in your personal life like a home renovation, a big adventure, or an event you’re organising. The sad truth is, the vast majority – in fact, almost – big projects end up over budget, delayed, and they don’t provide the planned benefits. This is something well-researched and backed up by data. It is the ‘Iron Law of Mega Projects’ as you will hear.

That’s the bad news.

The good news is that joining us on this episode of the podcast is Professor Bent Flyvbjerg who is the world’s leading megaproject expert. Prof. Flyvbjerg teaches at the University of Oxford and the IT University of Copenhagen. He has consulted on over 100 megaprojects costing $1 billion or more and has been knighted by the Queen of Denmark. He is the co-author of the fantastic new book How Big Things Get Done – The Surprising Factors Behind Every Successful Project From Home Renovations to Space Exploration.

Bent joins in what I think is a fabulous conversation in which he shares:

·      The Iron Law of Mega Projects;

·      Why projects ‘don’t go wrong, they start wrong’;

·      Why projects are not goals in and of themselves and what we can learn from legendary architect Frank Gehry;

·      What the Tour de France teaches up about risk;

·      What lego has to do with all this;

·      Much more!

   Show notes:

Prof Bent Flyvbjerg

How Big Things Get Done

Bent on LinkedIn

Thinking, Fast and Slow

Availability bias

Frank Gehry

Pixar

The Bilbao Guggenheim

The Sydney Opera House

Reference Class Forecasting

Robert Caro on LBJ and Robert Moses

The Black Swan

Madrid Metro

SSRN

Academia.edu

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19 Jul 2021Ep. 162: Steve Adelman - The Return of (Safe and Secure) Live Events01:00:22

This episode comes at a very interesting time as parts of the world start to open up. A feature of many of our “normal” lives is live events – sport, theatre, live entertainment. We put this episode live one week before the Tokyo Olympics and a week after the European and South American football championships. Live events are reflections of our societies.

With that, meet our guest, Steve Adelman. Steve is a lawyer and a world-renowned expert on event safety and security. He literally wrote the book on crowd safety in the USA, was the lead author on The Event Safety Alliance Reopening Guide, and has worked with numerous large organisations on live events. He even deposed Eminem.

Steve has a rare gift for making complex topics come to life. This makes for a super interesting and fun conversation. We cover crowd behaviour, risk assessment in large events, the pandemic, reopening, and much more.

Show notes:

Steve’s law firm, Adelman Law Group

Event Safety Alliance

Adelman on Venues

The Crucible by Henry Miller

The Hillsborough Disaster

Love Parade Disaster

The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb

Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

Route 91 shooting

Manchester Arena bombing

The Unthinkable by Amanda Ripley

Event Safety Summit

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21 Sep 2023Ep. 201: Chris Hess - On Expertise, Battle Scars, Business, and More00:51:13

This episode’s guest is Chris Hess. Chris happens to be a friend of mine from way back in my high school days. He, like me, has created an international career. And he is also based in the UK. I invited him to be a guest on the show because his professional experience and expertise is very interesting, and right up the street of this show's themes. Chris is a partner with Hesmur, a boutique consultancy focused on the insurance and wealth management sectors. He helps clients to address changing marketplaces, to digitize their businesses, and to build resilience.

Prior to this, Chris has been an entrepreneur and a senior executive. This has included stints doing business in both Russia and China, and obviously we talk about that. We also talk about taking risk, about decision-making, about startups. We talk about last year's UK mini-budget crisis, as Chris worked with many pension funds and had a unique view of the event. And if you aren't based in the UK, this was the crisis that almost took down the British economy and ended up taking down, the government of Liz Truss. We also talk about planning, the use of experts, and a lot more.

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Hesmur

Chris on LinkedIn

The UK’s mini budget crisis

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29 Nov 2022Ep. 185: Mark Harris - On What Kidnaps and Other Acute Crises Can Teach Us01:23:35

Today’s conversation is all about things going badly wrong. We cover this by talking about situations that feature in the plots of action movies. My guest is Mark Harris. Mark is a crisis management and crisis communications expert with decades of experience working at the forefront of these areas. Mark has worked on over 150 incidents of kidnapping, extortion, and hostage-taking around the world. He has also dealt with 19 cases of vessel hijacking, the majority of which were undertaken by Somali pirates. Prior to that, mark served for 14 years in the British Army. And as you will hear, saw service in Germany at the time of the fall of the Berlin Wall, in Cyprus as part of the UN Peacekeeping contingent, and as a Military Observer in Cambodia when he and his team were taken hostage by the Khmer Rouge.

Mark knows of what he speaks and his experience helping organisations and individuals deal with these types of acute crises offers a number of lessons that are applicable to a range of contexts. We talk about all of that including the dynamics of kidnapping, crisis preparedness, management and communication, and much more.

Show notes:

Mark on LinkedIn

CrisisFit

Mark’s blog post “Agile Leadership in a VUCA World”

Proof of Life

The Weaponisation of Everything by Mark Galeotti

Sheena Thomson Consulting

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24 Oct 2023Ep. 203: Rupert Evill - On Bootstrapping Ethics, Making Risk Relevant, and the Dark Arts of Investigation01:11:40

Today on the show, I am delighted to bring you my conversation with Rupert Evill. Rupert is the founder of Ethics Insight, a firm that helps organisations make risk relevant and implement risk, ethics and compliance programmes quickly. Rupert has 22 years of experience managing risks and crises in a variety of different environments and worked on roles focused on investigations, political risk, compliance, crisis response, and counterintelligence and counter-terrorism. He has worked in over 50 countries, including in Asia for over 12 years. He has recently written a book entitled Bootstrapping Ethics to help limited resources navigate risk and ethical challenges.

Rupert is a bit of a kindred spirit in that like me, he as an aversion to “performative” risk management, ethics, and compliance activities. Many of these things are dogma and don’t work in the types of complex environments in which Rupert’s investigative expertise is incredibly helpful. We talk about all these things and more, including:

  • Why ‘zero tolerance’ stances on ethical issues backfire;
  • How bribery and corruption actually work in challenging environments – including some interesting anecdotes;
  • The ‘dark arts’ investigations;
  • Much more!

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Ethics Insight

Rupert on LinkedIn

Bootstrapping Ethics

Erin Myer’s The Culture Map

Rapport by Emily and Laurence Alison

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10 Oct 2022Ep. 183: Nathan and Susannah Furr - On the Upside of Uncertainty01:13:12

Nathan and Susannah Furr are the co-authors of a phenomenal book that is firmly in the wheelhouse of our show. It’s called The Upside of Uncertainty – A Guide to Finding Possibility in the Unknown. It’s been described as a “science-backed guide for navigating and thriving through uncertainty,” and it’s a book that is well overdue given the circumstances in which we find ourselves.

I am reminded of that lovely Voltaire quote – “Uncertainty is an uncomfortable position but certainty is an absurd one.” And it’s appropriate to quote a French philosopher as Nathan and Susannah are Americans based in France. Nathan is an associate professor of strategy at the world-renowned INSEAD in Paris. He teaches innovation and tech strategy and is a recognised expert in these fields having written several books on these topics. Susannah is a designer, art historian with a focus on the Dutch baroque period, and entrepreneur. She founded her own clothing line which was inspired by the intricate embroidery of Dutch women in the baroque.

This conversation is fabulous.

We not only get into the beauty of uncertainty, but Nathan and Susannah share a number of tools and techniques from their uncertainty ‘first aid cross’ that you will hear about. This is all about how to prime, do, reframe and sustain in the midst of uncertainty. These are all essential skills very few of us are formally taught.

Show notes:

Nathan and Susannah

The Upside of Uncertainty – A Guide to Finding Possibility in the Unknown

Nathan and Susannah’s site

“The Peace of Wild Things” – poem by Wendell Berry

Transilience

World Uncertainty Index

The ‘uncertainty first aid cross’

John O’Donohue

Raymond Poulidor vs Jacques Anquetil on the Puy de Dôme

James Carse – Finite and Infinite Games

Carol Dweck and a growth mindset

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10 Jan 2023Ep. 188: Michele Wucker: You Are What You Risk01:17:37

Today’s conversation is with someone you may have come across via a term she coined. That term is ‘gray rhino’ and that person is Michele Wucker. Michele is a strategic advisor and a best-selling author. The term ‘gray rhino’ is one she came up with to take a fresh look at how we respond to the obvious, probable and most impactful risks we face. Her book, THE GRAY RHINO: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore became a bestseller.

Michele has written a sequel entitled YOU ARE WHAT YOU RISK: The New Art and Science of Navigating an Uncertain World. This is a book whose theme is right at the heart of many of the things we love to talk about on this show. It’s about how we as individuals can better navigate uncertainty by better understanding how our experiences and perceptions shape the way we view it. We get into that in the conversation, including terms such as ‘risk empathy’ and ‘risk fingerprint’, and so much more.

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Michele’s company, Gray Rhino and Company

THE GRAY RHINO: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore

YOU ARE WHAT YOU RISK: The New Art and Science of Navigating an Uncertain World.

Michele on LinkedIn

Ipos’ Perils of Perception studies

Lloyd’s Register World risk poll

The Risk Type Compass

Mark Pollock and Simone George’s TED talk – “A love letter to realism in a time of grief”

Termination Shock by Neil Stephenson

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30 Jan 2022Ep. 172: Eva Holland - Adventures in the Science of Fear00:54:41

Today, we talk about the science of fear. Fear is a theme that unsurprisingly comes up a lot on this podcast, as it is so closely associated with risk and uncertainty. We get to discuss fear in a great way with our guest Eva Holland, author of the book Nerve – A Personal Journey Through the Science of Fear. Eva is a freelance writer based in Whitehorse in the Yukon territory of Northern Canada. She is a correspondent for Outside magazine and has had her work published in the likes of Wired, Bloomberg and National Geographic News.

In 2015, Eva was forced to face her greatest fear when her mother sadly passed away suddenly from a stroke. After her grief subsided, Eva began to explore how her fears may have limited her, and whether or not it was possible to move past them. This led to a deep dive into the science of fear, including where phobias come from, how they differ from trauma or anxiety, and whether we can find better ways to feel afraid.

We get into all of that in this episode. We discuss the different types of fear, what Eva learned, some insights into what happens to people who have a rare disease that prevents them from feeling fear, how people like rock climber Alex Honnold process fear, and much more.

Show notes:

Nerve: A Personal Journey Through the Science of Fear (in N America “Adventures in the Science of Fear”)

Eva’s website

Eva on Twitter

The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk

How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan

The Anxiety and Phobia Workbook by Edmund Bourne

Alex Honnold

Patient S.M.

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04 Aug 2023Inbetweenisode 19 - When Do you Cross the Rubicon? A Useful Technique for Framing Decisions00:09:33

The Inbetweenisode makes a return! This one is based on this article - https://medium.com/@bcattaneo/when-do-you-cross-the-rubicon-a-useful-technique-to-frame-decisions-e4fcdf6e9da3 

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28 May 2021Ep. 160: Jason Linett - Demystifying Hypnosis to Change Behaviours01:08:59

On previous episodes of the podcast, we’ve discussed behavioural science when it comes to decision-making, we’ve talked about psychology and psychological frameworks – or mindset – when it comes to uncertainty and risk. However, we have never covered hypnosis. So, when I got the opportunity to have Jason Linett on the show, I naturally jumped at the chance.

Jason is a Certified Professional Hypnotist. He has spent nearly two decades learning and applying how hypnosis can change behaviours. As I read Jason’s bio and thought about the whole concept of hypnosis I considered how it could be used unethically (I was reminded on our conversation on cults with Steve Hassan) and also wondering about the circumstances under which hypnosis might work. Jason demystifies the practice and differentiates it from manipulation.

We get into all of that in this episode. Jason shares his background, we get into what hypnosis is and isn’t, we discuss the ethics of hypnosis, how Jason uses it with his clients, he shares some specific techniques, and much more.

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Jason’s website

Jason on Facebook

Jason on Twitter

Hypnotherapy Board

Dave Elman

Implicit Learning

Future Pacing

Double Bind

Meta Model Questions

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18 Jan 2021Ep. 154: Jeff Harry - Why and How to Rediscover Play00:57:37

How often do you play? How often do you allow yourself to be silly, to do something just because it’s fun, with no particular objective in mind? As you will hear, most adults don’t play enough, something that may be an even bigger problem during this pandemic. “Play” is another way of saying “embrace uncertainty”. Remember when “uncertainty” wasn’t referred to as negatively as it currently is? We need to rediscover play.

Enter, Stage Right, Jeff Harry. Jeff’s mission is to show individuals and organisations how to tap into their true selves, to feel happiest and most fulfilled by playing. He has worked with Google, Microsoft, the NFL and many others. Jeff is also an accomplished speaker and has presented at the likes of SXSW and Australia’s Pausefest. He speaks to audiences around how major issues in the workforce can be solved using play. He was also selected by Engagedly as one of the Top 100 HR Influencers for his work around addressing toxicity in the workplace. His company is appropriately named Rediscover Your Play.

We get into the importance of play in this episode, how to initiate it, how Jeff gets serious adults to embrace play, how he helps organisations deal with toxic people and so much more.

Show notes:

Jeff’s company, Rediscover Your Play

Jeff on Twitter

Jeff on LinkedIn

Steve Job’s Stanford commencement speech – “connecting the dots”

Steven Johnson

Flow states

Elizabeth Gilbert

Viola Davis

Dr. Stuart Brown on play

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19 Jul 2023Ep. 199: Grant Purdy - On Deciding and Why We Need to Drop 'Risk Management'01:28:45

In this episode, I have the honour of welcoming Grant Purdy to the show. Grant, for those of you who may not have heard of him, has a 40+ year career in helping decision-makers make great decisions. This has involved enabling great conversations, and providing sufficient certainty to decision-makers in the achievement of their intended outcomes.

Grant is also considered one of the ‘founders’ of the thing commonly referred to as ‘risk management’, having co-wrote the world’s first risk management standard in the 1990s and later, ISO 31000, the best-known risk management standard. As you will hear however, the practice of traditional risk management has turned into something that has nothing to do with decision-making. It has become, according to Grant, a ‘millstone’ around the necks of organisations and something akin to a religious belief system together with sacred artefacts and evangelists. It’s something we need to drop, he says. If you work professionally in risk management, I urge you to listen and reflect on this.

If you don’t work in traditional risk management, you are still a decision-maker. Therefore, you are the person for whom Grant and his co-author, the late Roger Estall wrote Deciding – A Guide to Even Better Decision-Making. Grant provides us with a number of insights from the book.

Sadly, Roger passed away the day before we recorded this episode. Grant opens with a lovely tribute to Roger who perhaps saved more lives than any other New Zealander through his work. Deepest condolences go out to Rogers’s family, friends, and everyone who knew and worked with him.

Show notes:

Sufficient Certainty

Deciding – A Guide to Even Better Decision-Making

Vale Roger Estall

The risk management ‘millstone’

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26 Jun 2024Ep. 222: Marta Cadavid - On "No Fraud"01:12:58

Today, we talk about fraud and human behaviour. And my guest is Marta Cadavid. Marta describes herself as a “fraud fighter.” She's worked in anti-fraud roles for many years. And her interest, as you'll hear, started in her native Colombia. And she's now a partner in a very interesting firm called No Fraud, which uses prediction models to anticipate criminal behaviour. Yes, you heard that right, to anticipate criminal behaviour. So there's lots to discuss here.

Marta also hosts her own podcast called “Fraude al Desnudo”, or “Naked Fraud”. And we get into lots of interesting stuff in this episode, including the role of decision-making environments in fraud and financial crime, monitoring employee behaviour, and some of the intricacies of that using AI, bias in AI, eye, cultural and behavioural factors, the cost of fraud, sexual harassment, and much more. I do have my questions on this as you'll hear. I am sure you will find this one contains lots of food for thought. Marta is very insightful.

Show notes:

Marta on LinkedIn

NoFraud

Fraude al Desnudo

The Fraud Triangle

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26 Dec 2020Ep. 152 : Daniel Wagner - "Reflecting Forward" on the Big Picture in 202100:56:51

For the past three years, Daniel Wagner has joined the podcast at this time of year to “reflect forwards” on the past year and into the next. This is that episode for 2020-2021 and there is a lot to discuss from Covid, to the USA, China, Brexit, the Middle East to some reflections on what the craziest year in recent memory means for our thinking about risk and uncertainty.

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04 Feb 2024Ep. 210: Garry Honey - On Leadership and Navigating Uncertainty01:06:20

My latest guest is Garry Honey. Garry trains boards, non-executive directors, and business leaders on strategy, governance, risk, and communication. He is the founder of the consultancy Chiron Risk and runs leadership courses for various business schools.

In this conversation, we cover reputation, strategic risk, leadership, and decision-making in a crisis, why so few organizations try to map out a purpose, and a vision for their futures, uncertainty in the limits of knowledge, human factors, the problem with ESG, and so much more.

If you are a leader in an organization, or if you're interested in some of the challenges with leadership in large organizations, you will want to listen to this. It's fascinating stuff.

Show notes:

Garry on LinkedIn

Chiron Risk

Larry Fink on ESG

Ataraxia

Radical Uncertainty by Mervyn King and John Kay

The Carillion bankruptcy in the UK

Wicked problems

Wilful Blindness by Margaret Heffernan

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11 Jul 2024Ep. 223: Monique Borst - On Leadership, Emotional Mastery, Time, and More01:30:41

Today, I am joined by Monique Borst, who is a coach, a strategist, a CEO catalyst, and as she describes it, "Human WD-40." She helps leaders thrive and wants to redefine modern business leadership. 

And this is a conversation all about leadership, including self-leadership, self-awareness, and emotional mastery. And if you are or if you aspire to be in a leadership position or you work with leaders, then I think you are going to be in for an eye-opening conversation.

We cover so much here from how to think about our personal and professional lives, emotions in decision-making, seeking diverse perspectives when making decisions, and experience over analysis, and we also have a fabulous, fascinating conversation about the concept of time.  

Show notes:

Monique’s website

Monique on LinkedIn

Monique’s newsletter

Andrew Huberman scandal

Niksen – the Dutch concept of doing nothing

HBR Article – Manage Your Energy Not Your Time

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11 Feb 2024Ep. 211: Daniel Wagner - Living in China Under Zero Covid01:22:12

This episode was recorded in June, 2022.

My guest is Daniel Wagner, my co-author of Decision-Making in the Polycrisis Era. Daniel had just spent 15 months living and working in China with the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB). This coincided with China’s “zero covid” policy. This is a fascinating conversation that covers:

·      Quarantine in China

·      Life in Beijing as an expat (and under zero covid)

·      Working at the AIIB

·      Geopolitics

·      Much more

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Daniel Wagner

The China Epiphany

Decision-Making in the Polycrisis Era

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07 Oct 2020Ep. 145 - Chris Lampitt - Purpose, Wellness and an Effort to Help the NHS00:40:15

It has been a few weeks but we are back! Today's conversation is about purpose, loss, wellness and entrepreneurship. My guest is Chris Lampitt. Chris is a London-based entrepreneur who started his career and spent several years in the banking industry. That is, until an incident caused him to question his purpose and his physical and mental health. Since then, Chris dedicated himself to health and wellness and made a career out of this - even starting his own company called FIT20:20 last year. 

If you've listened to many of our previous episodes, you know that many of our past guests have emphasised the connection between resilience, uncertainty and wellbeing. This has been brought into sharp relief since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic. Chris underscores this in this conversation.

On top of this, Chris has recently launched an initiative that combines his passion and background to help the National Health Service (NHS) in the UK. The NHS of course been under a lot of strain because of Covid19. Chris shares this on the show as well.

Show notes:

Chris on LinkedIn

Chris on Twitter

FIT20:20

Jordan Henderson's NHS coronavirus fund

Prince William's mental health documentary

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09 Jan 2022Ep. 171: Thatcher Wine - On Monotasking01:01:41

One of the ways in which to manage uncertainty is by creating routines and rituals that drive a degree of certainty in our lives. In previous episodes, we’ve talked about decision-making and decision quality – that we cannot control outcomes but we can control the quality of our decisions. That requires focus. And focus isn’t easy in this day and age of seemingly infinite distraction.

 

With that, I want you to meet our guest, Thatcher Wine. Thatcher is the CEO of Juniper Books. You may have come across them for their beautiful, hand-crafted book sets. The reason I invited Thatcher on the show however is because he recently wrote his own fabulous book – The Twelve Monotasks: Do One Thing at a Time to Do Everything Better.

 

I think that we believe – even subliminally – that we need to multi-task to be successful. Thatcher’s book tackles that myth and introduces the concept of “monotasking muscles”. He believes we can use monotasking as the foundation for everything in our lives. The book presents twelve monotasks – from reading, listening, playing, creating, sleeping, and more. It is based on research in neuroscience, productivity, and the attention economy which all demonstrate monotasking’s benefits.

In the episode, we cover Thatcher’s background, the origins of the book, what monotasking is, we dive into some of the monotasks most related to the themes of this show, and Thatcher shares some tips on how we can strengthen our monotasking muscles.

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The Twelve Monotasks: Do One Thing at a Time to Do Everything Better

Monotasking Tips

Juniper Books

Thatcher on Twitter

Peter Drucker

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19 Oct 2023Decision Reactions - Ep. 1: An Unfair Game00:14:34

This is the first in a potential series from The Decision-Making Studio called "Decision Reactions" in which we look at quality decision-making practice. In this episode, we tee up our FOCUS decision-making framework and apply it to a great scene from the film Moneyball, starring Brad Pitt.

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03 Nov 2022Ep. 184: Daniel Armanios - The Future of Infrastructure01:35:30

This episode is all about our ‘built environment’. In other words, infrastructure – our roads, bridges, water system, and digital infrastructure. After listening to this one, it’s more than likely that you will never think about this topic in the same way again.

Think about when our roads and bridges were built. Who was in the room (often decades ago) making the decisions? What did they know? How do these decisions impact us today? What does that mean for current infrastructure decisions? A lot. Infrastructure can be viewed as 'institutional relics".

Meet today’s guest, Daniel Armanios. Daniel is the BT Professor of Major Programme Management at the University of Oxford’s Säid Business School. His research and teaching integrates civil engineering with organisational sociology to better understand how organisations can coordinate to build, manage, and maintain infrastructure systems. Daniel is a super interesting guy – a Rhodes Scholar with a Ph.D. in Management Science and Engineering from Stanford University, he is an interdisciplinary expert yet a practical thinker. He has amazing insights and this leads to a fascinating conversation.

 

We cover things like:

  • How infrastructure decisions that are ‘rational’ can sometimes create unequal outcomes;
  • Why it’s important for those designing and building infrastructure to think about who they might be excluded – and how to do that;
  • Infrastructure as an 'institutional relic';
  • Political turmoil;
  • Risk and uncertainty in infrastructure;
  • Risk-taking as an academic

Show notes:

Daniel Armanios

Daniel on LinkedIn

Daniel’s inaugural lecture at the University of Oxford

Daniel’s research on bridges
Flint Michigan water crisis

Jackson Mississippi water crisis

Cancer Alley

Grenfell Tower Fire

Pittsburgh Fern Hollow Bridge and its collapse

Social sensing

Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt

Gerd Gigerenzer on heuristics

Kathleen Eisenhardt on simple rules

Agile methodology

Boeing 737 max case

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29 Jan 2024Ep. 209: Ben Cattaneo and Daniel Wagner: Decision-Making in the Poycrisis Era01:18:33

This episode is a rather special one because it is about a book I have co-written entitled Decision-Making in the Polycrisis Era and I am joined by my co-author Daniel Wagner. We are dealing with a range of overlapping and acute crises – from climate change to geopolitical upheaval and societal polarisation. At the same time, the tools and the mindset to approach decision-making are no longer fit-for-purpose.

Daniel and I discuss the polycrisis era and various aspects of it. We also cover a bit more at the end on decision-making, as we felt it was worth adding to the initial conversation. Daniel has been on the podcast previously. He is an accomplished author, country risk expert, and has recently been in Beijing and Abu Dhabi (the latter for the COP28 climate conference).

Show notes:

Decision-Making in the Polycrisis Era (links on how to purchase in your geography)

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24 Jun 2022Ep. 179: Cynthia Owyoung - How to Build an Organisation Where All are Welcome00:50:26

Today, we talk about diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging. I welcome to the show Cynthia Owyoung. Cynthia is the vice president of inclusion, equity and belonging at Robinhood. She is also the founder of Breaking Glass Forums where she develops strategies to accelerate an increase in more diverse and inclusive organisations. She has worked on these types of initiatives for over twenty years.

She has also recently authored All Are Welcome – How to Build a Real Workplace Culture of Inclusion That Delivers Results. From the perspective of risk, organisations that have a high degree of diversity should make better decisions under uncertainty because they ostensibly have more experiences and perspectives on which to draw. But, as Cynthia points out, diversity isn’t enough. People need to be included and have a sense of belonging in their organisations.

We get into that in this episode. Cynthia shares her background, she discusses a number of the myths and challenges associated with diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging, how to overcome these, and the benefits of doing so – and more.

Show notes:

Cynthia Owyoung

All Are Welcome – How to Build a Real Workplace Culture of Inclusion That Delivers Results

Cynthia on Twitter

Marcus Buckingham’s Nine Lies About Work

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18 Nov 2020Ep. 148: Paul Orlando - On Unintended Consequences01:09:55

Today, we talk about unintended consequences, which seems very appropriate for 2020. My guest is Paul Orlando. Paul is a specialist in helping startups succeed, teaches business at the University of Southern California and for the purposes of this episode, is an accomplished thinker and writer on unintended consequences or so-called “second order effects”. He runs a blog by that name and his insightful articles have appeared in a range or publications.

Paul has written over 80 articles on unintended consequences that offer fascinating insights we discuss in this episode, including:

  • Why self-checkouts create an increase in shoplifting;
  • How AI facial recognition technology can lead to false arrests;
  • Why eliminating disease-carrying mosquitoes is not such a good idea

Paul’s work on unintended consequences is an apt reminder that for better or worse, human beings do not know how everything works, that uncertainty is an enduring aspect of our world, and that this has profound implications for the way in which we make decisions. Unintended consequences are all around us. As we understand them better and appreciate complexity and systems more, we can, as Paul puts it, thrive.

Show notes:

Paul’s Unintended Consequences blog;

Paul on Twitter;

Paul on autonomous vehicles;

Paul on self checkouts;

Paul on AI and false arrests;

Paul on mosquitoes;

The precautionary principle;

Charlie Munger

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05 Jan 2021Ep. 153: "The Best" of 202001:39:15

Once again, we take a look back at some of our most memorable, popular, and relevant clips from our episodes of the past year. And, when we say “best of” this is always in quotation marks because we couldn’t include everything, and each episode may provide something special to every listener – this is all highly subjective!

 

2020 was of course, a challenging year and 2021 looks like it may be equally challenging. However, one of the things we have been reminded of in the past year is that uncertainty is an enduring aspect of life. We have been fortunate to bring together a variety of guests who have shared insights, tools, and practices on uncertainty that can serve us very well into 2021 and beyond.

 

We have clips from our episodes with:

 

Mike Clark

Dr. Jason Selk

Patrick McKeown

Jonny Miller

Georgie Nightingall

Chris Sparks

Alec Torelli

Christian Hunt

Saray Khumalo

Dr. Richard Harris

Dr. Gleb Tsipursky

Steven Hassan

Robert Fitzpatrick

Frans Johansson

Paul Orlando

Dr. Todd Boyd (AKA “The Notorious PhD”)

Toby Kent

John Perkins

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31 May 2022Ep. 178: Benj Gallander - Contrarian Investing, Curiosity, and Going Against the Herd01:44:45

Today’s episode has a bit of everything. My guest is Benj Gallander. Benj is one of Canada’s most successful contrarian investors. Benj started investing in the 1970s and in 1995 with his friend Ben Stadelmann, he co-founded Contra The Herd, an investment newsletter that has achieved an astonishing annualised return of 19.6%. Benj is the author of three best-selling books, including The Contrarian Investors’ 13 and The Uncommon Investor III – How to Earn Superior Returns in the Stock Market. He writes a column in the Globe and Mail, Canada’s national newspaper, is a regular speaker in the investment media, and is on the board of two companies.

Now, I thought this was going to be a conversation about contrarian investing but it turned out to be so much more. Benj has a wide array of interests and experiences and the conversation reflects that. I think it also reflects the big lesson of this episode – curiosity and diversity of interests and thoughts are fundamental to enduring, sustainable success – and I think they most certainly have played a big role in Benj’s success.

This also comes through throughout the episode – from when Benj describes his investment philosophy, co-founding Contra the Herd, discussing learning from mistakes, the importance of reading and learning, cryptocurrencies, Benj’s take on fear, doing uncomfortable things, and so much more.

Show notes:

Benj Gallander

Contra The Herd

Benj’s Globe and Mail column

The Contrarian Investors’ 13

The Uncommon Investor III – How to Earn Superior Returns in the Stock Market

Meme stocks

Technical analysis

Ron Meisels on technical analysis

Alpha Pro Tech (APT)

Fairfax

Books and authors mentioned:

            Walden by Henry David Thoreau

            Sylvia Plath

            My Stockbroker is a Bum: Or, Where are all the Customers’ Yachts by Charles D’Ambrosio

            The Spy and the Traitor by Ben Macintyre

            A Moveable Feast by Ernest Hemingway

Shel Silverstein

On Writing: A Memoir of the Craft by Stephen King

            How to Decide by Annie Duke

Annie Duke on All Things Risk

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27 Apr 2024Ep. 217: Nuala Walsh - On How to "Tune In" to Make Smarter Decisions in a Noisy World01:17:08

In this episode, we talk about “tuning in” – into a noisy world so that we can make the best decisions possible. My guest is Nuala Walsh. Nuala is a best-selling author, an adjunct professor of behavioural science at Trinity College in Dublin, an independent non-executive director, a TEDx speaker and one of the 100 Most Influential Women in Finance. She is the author of the fabulous new book Tune In: How to Make Smarter Decisions in a Noisy World.

This conversation covers that and it is incredibly insightful and fun. Nuala shares several misjudgement ‘traps’ from her book – everything from ego to memory, power, identity and more. We also discuss whistleblowing, regret and so-called “deaf spots”. Nuala shares a number of solutions and ways forward so that we can start to “tune in” and make smarter decisions.

Show notes:

Nuala’s website

Tune In: How to Make Smarter Decisions in a Noisy World.

Nuala on Linkedin

Nuala’s Harvard Business Review article “How to Encourage Employees to Speak Up When They See Wrongdoing”

Innocence Project

Fred Clay – found innocent after 38 years for a murder he didn’t commit

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10 Oct 2023Ep. 202: Bryce Hoffman - On Red Team Thinking01:22:03

In this episode of the All Things Risk podcast, we have the pleasure of speaking with Bryce Hoffman, the founding partner and president of Red Team Thinking. Bryce is our first guest since launching the Decision-Making Studio (and we will be producing episodes more frequently) and I cannot think of a more appropriate guest.
Bryce Hoffman is best-selling author and an expert in the field of ‘red teaming,’ a practice that challenges strategies and enhances decision-making through the incorporation of contrarian perspectives. He brings a unique perspective to his work, having been the first civilian graduate of the US Army's Red Team University.
We begin our conversation by discussing leadership (and why Bryce views Elon Musk and Jack Welch as poor examples of leadership). Bryce then explains what red teaming is – it involves stress testing strategies, uncovering blind spots, and examining assumptions to improve decision-making. It's a method used by both military and corporate organizations to identify vulnerabilities and produce robust plans.
As we delve deeper, Bryce shares how red teaming can be particularly valuable in leadership roles. By embracing diverse perspectives and fostering a culture of open dialogue, leaders can prevent groupthink and make better-informed decisions. He stresses the importance of challenging assumptions and valuing dissenting opinions, ultimately creating stronger organizations and resilient teams.
Throughout our discussion, Bryce provides lots of practical examples and actionable advice for implementing red team thinking in different contexts. We touch on the power of scenario planning, the benefits of actively seeking out devil's advocates, and the necessity of constantly reassessing strategies.
We wrap up our conversation by exploring the future of decision-making and the role that red teaming will play in an increasingly complex and uncertain world. Bryce's insights leave us with a renewed appreciation for the value of critical thinking and the power of embracing opposing perspectives.
Show notes:

Red Team Thinking

Book: Red Teaming: Transform Your Business By Thinking Like the Enemy

Bryce on LinkedIn

Bryce’s Book American Icon: Alan Mulally and the Fight to Save Ford Motor Company

Peter Senge’s The Fifth Discipline

Shakespeare in the Bush by Laura Bohannan

Daniel Kahneman

Gary Klein

The Logic of Failure by Dietrich Dörner

Blink by Malcolm Gladwell

Premortem

Four Ways of Seeing

Operation Blacklist

Annie Duke

Phil Tetlock

Think-Write-Share

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25 Aug 2020Ep. 143: Steven Hassan - On Mind Control and the Cult of Trump01:05:07

Today, we talk cults, mind control, and Donald Trump. My guest is Steven Hassan, one of the world’s foremost authorities on cults and mind control. Steven has made this his life’s work since the 1970s when he left the cult of the Unification Church (a.k.a. “The Moonies” after its leader Sun Myung Moon). As you will hear, Steven left the cult and deconstructed how his recruitment involved the use of unethical and powerful psychological influence techniques.

Since 1976, he has helped thousands of people exit destructive cults. He has written a number of books on the topic, his first entitled Combatting Cult Mind Control. In 1999, Steven founded the Freedom of Mind Resource Centre which helps rescue victims of mind control and to recover from the experience. Steven is a qualified mental health professional and has also studied neuro-linguistic programming and hypnosis. So, he knows of what he speaks.

This brings us to the focus of this conversation – the current President of the United States, Donald Trump. Steven’s most recent book is called The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control. As you will hear, cults don’t have to be religious – they can be political, commercial (e.g. multi-level marketing schemes) or cults of personality. When Steven started looking into Trump’s behaviour – how he tries to control behaviour, information, thoughts and emotions (Steven’s BITE model of mind control), he found significant parallels between the President and cult leaders like David Koresh, Jim Jones, L. Ron Hubbard and Sun Myung Moon.

The book is a fascinating and in-depth analysis of the US President and also why people who may be sane, rational and well-adjusted can be persuaded to believe outrageous ideas. We get into all of that. In addition, Steven shares expertise on how to engage with anyone who may have been under the influence of mind control as well as how to check ourselves for mind control influence.

 

Show notes:

 

Steven’s bio

Steven on Twitter

Freedom of Mind Resource Centre

Steven’s latest book The Cult of Trump

Steven’s first book Combatting Cult Mind Control

The BITE model

The Unification Church (“The Moonies”)

Margaret Singer

Robert Jay Lifton

The Science of Social Influence by Anthony Pratkanis

Jim Jones

L. Ron Hubbard

Charles Manson

Malignant Narcissism

Opus Dei

National Prayer Breakfasts

Netflix documentary “The Family”

New Apostolic Reformation

Norman Vincent Peale

QAnon

The Mueller Report

The Influence Continuum

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01 Aug 2024Ep. 224: Michael Hartley: On Decision-Making, Human Factors, Data, Culture and more01:25:45

Today I welcome fellow Canadian Michael Hartley to the show. Michael is the director of InterKnowlogy, mining and energy. And that is a firm that operates at the intersection of risk management, human factors and data science to enhance decision-making. This conversation covers a wide range of fascinating stuff, mostly about how decisions get made during complexity and crises, mostly from Michael's background in energy and mining. However, the insights are applicable to a huge number of other contexts. And we cover the importance of decision making and critical thinking, understanding when decisions get made in organizations, data quality and presenting information, managing crises, AI and much more.

Show Notes:

Michael on LinkedIn

InterKnowlogy

Books and Papers

  • "Thinking in Systems: A Primer" by Donella H. Meadows
  • "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
  • "The Fifth Discipline: The Art & Practice of The Learning Organization" by Peter M. Senge

Concepts and Tools

Additional Resources

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18 Apr 2023Ep. 194: Carlo Gallo - On Russia-Ukraine and What We Can Learn From Geopolitical Risk Analysis01:39:16

In this episode,  we dive into the world of geopolitical risk analysis – and in so doing, we also look at Russia and its conflict with Ukraine. On top of this, in looking at geopolitical risk, we are also be default considering decision-making under circumstances of extreme uncertainty and ambiguity. So, this is a conversation that offers numerous useful lessons applicable to all types of decisions.

My guest is Dr. Carlo Gallo. Carlo is the founder and director of Enquirisk, a geopolitical risk consultancy that provides analysis on geopolitics using a number of rigorous methods to help clients make better investment decisions. Carlo is an expert on Russia and the former Soviet Union. He has a doctorate in Russian politics from the London School of Economics and applies his expertise in helping clients address political, integrity and security risks.

This is a fabulous conversation that covers both the methodology behind great political risk analysis and how this relates to decision-making as well as the current Russia-Ukraine conflict. Carlo shares insights on Russian society, why the Russian population, for the most part, is supportive of Vladimir Putin, and some considerations for the conflict with Ukraine may end.

Show notes:

Enquirisk

Carlo on LinkedIn

Enquirisk on Twitter

Victor Zaslavsky

Structured Analytic Techniques

Superforecasting by Philip Tetlock

Levada Centre

“Four Russias”

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23 Nov 2023Ep. 205: Derek Leatherdale: On Demystifying Geopolitical Risk01:04:50

Today, we talk geopolitical risk, an area that, if recent surveys are to be believed, keeps CEOs up at night more than anything else. My guest is Derek Leatherdale. Derek is the founder and managing director of GRI Strategies, which helps companies thrive in a volatile world. He does that by helping them think through and respond to geopolitical risk.

Prior to that, Derek set up and ran the Geopolitical Risk Function at HSBC, helping integrate expert geopolitical risk insight into the way in which the bank manages risk. And prior to that, Derek worked in national security and intelligence roles for the UK government. He works with boards and senior leaders on issues related to geopolitics.

This one is a great conversation, not just because we talk about a fascinating area of risk, but also because it provides insights into the complexities of decision-making at large organisations. And even if you don't work in a large corporate, I think you'll find this one very interesting. The world is indeed complex and uncertain and getting more so, and it's interesting to consider how to make sense of that complexity and to make practical decisions around it, and I think that Derek's insights help us do that.

Show notes:

GRI Strategies

Derek on LinkedIn

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24 Jul 2020Ep. 141 - Dr. Todd Boyd - The Notorious PhD on Race, Sport and Popular Culture00:53:27

Today, we have a fascinating conversation about race and popular culture, particularly around what’s happened recently in the United States following the murder of George Floyd and the protests and uprisings that have followed. As you will hear, this event follows an unfortunate pattern and history that sadly, spans decades. I wanted to explore them within some historical and cultural context. So, I invited Dr. Todd Boyd, aka “The Notorious PhD” onto the podcast – and he graciously accepted.

If you are new to Dr. Boyd, he is the Katherine and Frank Price Chair for the Study of Race and Popular Culture at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. Dr. Boyd is an author, media commentator, producer and scholar. The has appeared in numerous documentaries, most recently in the popular Netflix series “The Last Dance” which was about Michael Jordan’s last season with the Chicago Bulls. He wrote and produced the cult classic film “The Wood” and produced the Netflix documentary “At All Costs”. Dr. Boyd’s books include The Notorious PhD’s Guide to the Super Fly 1970s, Young, Black, Rich and Famous, The New H.N.I.C. and Am I Black Enough For You? He has written articles for the New York Times, Los Angeles Times and the Guardian, amongst others.

Dr. Boyd is a pioneer. He developed a new field of study in the 1990s on Hip Hop culture. His work makes connections across sport, cinema, music, fashion, art and politics. This not just  a conversation about race in the USA – and by extension many other countries. It is also a conversation about the importance of popular culture and how culture does more than merely reflect society – it can help shape it in unseen and often uncertain ways.

Show notes:

Dr. Todd Boyd

Dr. Boyd on Twitter

Dr. Boyd on Instagram

Recent piece by Dr. Boyd in the The Guardian on racism in Hollywood

1943 Detroit Race Riot

1967 Detroit Race Riot

The Watts Riot / Watts Rebellion

Rodney King Riot

Ali – Liston II fight

Yo! MTV Raps

Colin Kaepernick and Roger Goodell

1968 Olympics Black Power Salute

Jim Brown

Craig Hodges

Jackie Robinson

Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf

The Last Dance

Isiah Thomas and the Dennis Rodman comments on Larry Bird

The Black Power Mixtape 1967-1975

Stokely Carmichael

Angela Davis

Eryka Badu

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23 Dec 2022Ep. 186: Alison Taylor - On the Myths, Misconceptions and Problems With ESG00:59:14

I am delighted to welcome Alison Taylor back to the show. Alison works on challenges at the intersection of corporate integrity, risk, and responsibility. She is the Executive Director at Ethical Systems, a collaboration between leading academics working on behavioural science, organisational psychology, and systems thinking. She is also an adjunct professor at the NYU Stern School of Business. She has advised companies for many years on integrity, anti-corruption, sustainability, and political risk.

On top of that, and for the purposes of this conversation Alison is one of LinkedIn’s Top Voices for 2022. And this is where we get into the topic of focus for this episode. Alison is one of the world’s top voices when discussing the myths and misconceptions of ESG. ESG stands for Environment, Social and Governance. It is ostensibly about how investors reward or punish companies for their performance in these areas (and in so doing help make the world a better place).

However, as you will hear from Alison, it really isn’t that. And, the fact that it really isn’t is a problem for companies, stakeholders, and indeed, the planet. Alison explains what ESG is, better ways to address some of these challenges, transparency and its limits, and much more.

Show notes:

Alison on LinkedIn

Ethical Systems

Alison on Twitter

Jonathan Haidt

Alison on ESG

Larry Fink’s 2022 letter to CEOs

Alison on Patagonia

Stuart Kirk’s infamous ESG presentation

That Milton Friedman piece on the social responsibility of business

The Balkanisation of the internet

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08 Aug 2024Ep. 225: Alex Edmans - On "May Contain Lies"00:53:59

Today, I am delighted to welcome Alex Edmans to the show. You may have heard of him or you may have come across him. He is a Professor of Finance at London Business School. He was voted professor of the year by Poets and Quants. He is also a prominent speaker and an author, including of his most recent and fabulous book, May Contain Lies -  How Stories, Statistics and Studies Exploit Our Biases.  He joined me to talk about the book.

The book is excellent because it emphasises a number of things crucial to good decision-making, including things like why a fact is not data, data is not evidence, and evidence is not proof. Alex shares his work on things like football results and their impact on stock market performance, biases, evaluating research, ESG investing, trade-offs, cognitive diversity, dissenting viewpoints, and much more related to decision-making.

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Alex’s website

May Contain Lies – How Stores, Statistics and Studies Exploit Our Biases

Alex on football results and stock market sentiment

McKinsey’s “Diversity Matters” results revisited by Jeremiah Green and John Hand

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28 Jun 2021Ep. 161: Lauren Yee - How to Cultivate Curiosity01:10:48

If you’ve listened to our show for any length of time, you will know that we look at risk and uncertainty in unconventional ways. We rarely talk about risk methodology nor do we use lots of jargon. We talk to people from all walks of life because uncertainty is everywhere. We can’t escape it, so we better understand it. We want to make risk and uncertainty accessible because they are fundamental to the human experience. This is embodied when we say “embrace uncertainty”.

This conversation provides us with another lens to embrace uncertainty. That lens is curiosity. Meet Lauren Yee, the “Cultivator of Curiosity”. Lauren helps organisations and people solve problems, improve their ideas and reach their potential through curiosity – because curiosity, as you will hear, is a driver of great things. She has worked with the likes of the NBA’s Golden State Warriors, LinkedIn, Google and others.

She also founded the largest LEGO-based (i.e. the toys) STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths) consultancy. We talk about that and more including quitting, innovation and failure, having difficult conversations, play and of course, how to cultivate curiosity.

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Lauren’s website;

Lauren on LinkedIn;

Lauren on Twitter

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07 May 2020Ep. 134: Julian Cattaneo - Reflections on an Immigrant Experience01:21:13

This is a special episode for me. My guest is none other than my father, Julian Cattaneo. My dad is a retired university professor. He taught Business Administration at the University of Windsor in Ontario, Canada. That’s where he is based, but it’s not where he was born, nor is it where I was born.

This conversation is based on my mom and dad’s decision to emigrate from Argentina to Canada in 1977. I was only four years old at the time. That is a major decision for anyone to make and I wanted to explore the whys and hows of that decision with him. I think there is a lot that you can take away from it.

It is nice but a bit strange to interview your father. I recorded this in early March in Canada. I am based in the UK but was visiting. This was just before the declaration of a global pandemic because of Covid19 . Like many of you with loved ones, particularly older loved ones, I don’t know when I will see him again and I am concerned for him given what coronavirus does to older people. However, I am grateful to have had this conversation and to bring it to you.

We cover:

  • The context around life in Argentina in the 1970s and the reasons for the move;
  • How he and my mother made the decision;
  • The push and pull any decision to immigrate;
  • Life in North America;
  • How the decision worked out;
  • Any “rules” or a philosophy my dad has around how the runs his life

Show notes:

The University of Windsor

The University of Michigan

Argentine foods mentioned:

            Mate

            Dulce de leche

The Dirty War

Germany’s Gastarbeiter programme

Bad math on at MSNBC

Ben Goldacre

Some books on Argentine history:

            A History of Argentina in the 20th Century by Luis Alberto Romero

            Dirty secrets, dirty war by Robert J. Cox

            A State of Fear: Memories of Argentina’s Nightmare by Andrew Graham-Yooll

            Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number by Jacobo Timerman

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08 Feb 2021Ep. 155: Steve LeClair - Embracing Uncertainty00:57:18

Today, we welcome fellow podcaster Steve LeClair to the show. Steve is an acclaimed wealth management professional in the USA. Beyond that, Steve is a bit of a kindred spirit in many ways because last year, he started a podcast called “Embracing Uncertainty” in which Steve interviews successful entrepreneurs about how they manage uncertainty. Obviously, given the past year, there are plenty of lessons.

Steve is also – like most interesting people – someone who has had a non-linear career path. He has applied lessons from one experience into another. We get into that, Steve’s experiences working for a telecoms company during the dot com bubble, dealing with setbacks, living, as Steve puts it, “a life of significance” and much more.

Show notes:

Embracing Uncertainty podcast

Steve on LinkedIn

Article – “Why Older Entrepreneurs Have the Edge”

The Guidry Group

Nick Bradley

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