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17 Dec 2018How to Think Like a Content Marketer00:31:26
13 Mar 2025Stewart Hillhouse on the AI Playbook for Tomorrow’s Content Teams00:43:08

In this episode, Stewart Hillhouse shares a refreshingly practical perspective on how content teams can thrive in an AI-accelerated environment. Fresh from a three-year run as Head of Content at Mutiny and now heading to StoryArb as VP of Content, Stewart offers concrete workflows, AI prompting techniques, and a clear vision for how content teams should restructure for maximum impact.

His approach emphasizes both speed and creativity—advocating for shorter planning horizons, integrated quarterly campaigns, and transparent marketing that acknowledges the audience's sophistication. Most importantly, he provides a framework for the "content team of the future" that leverages AI for operational tasks while positioning humans as strategic directors and personality-driven marketers.


About Our Guest: Stewart Hillhouse

Stewart Hillhouse has just completed a three-year tenure as Head of Content at Mutiny, where he developed campaigns that generated millions in pipeline while witnessing the company's growth from Series A through the emergence of generative AI. His background is unconventional — he started his career in forestry before making a pivot into content marketing through a self-initiated podcast where he interviewed marketing leaders.


Stewart is now beginning a new chapter as VP of Content at storyarb, where he'll focus on newsletter and narrative editorial content. Throughout his career, he has maintained a commitment to experimentation and knowledge-sharing, regularly publishing his techniques and insights for the broader marketing community.


About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & Content


Hello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?


The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?


We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.


Timestamps

  • 00:00 "You can't think more than 90 days ahead in today's environment"
  • 02:00 From forestry to content marketing through podcasting
  • 05:00 Building integrated campaigns at Mutiny
  • 07:00 The "Survivor" campaign: 10,000 participants, millions in pipeline
  • 09:00 Why timeliness trumps perfect execution
  • 11:00 Joining StoryArb as VP of Content
  • 13:00 "Don't write your own prompts" - The meta AI hack
  • 16:00 Using AI but owning the final result
  • 18:00 Feeding AI unexpected combinations for creative output
  • 20:00 Three foundational guardrails for consistent AI content
  • 24:00 "I'm no longer a better writer than AI"
  • 26:00 From creation to operations: the changing content role
  • 27:00 The future content team: personality marketers, operators, and directors
  • 33:00 The open source target account list campaign
  • 36:00 Breaking the fourth wall in B2B marketing
  • 40:00 The AI research hack: finding relevant podcast segments


Mentioned Links & Resources

  • Mutiny (00:05:00): Stewart's previous company, a personalization platform.
  • Survivor Campaign (00:07:00): Stewart's AI-focused campaign that generated millions in pipeline.
  • Storyarb (00:11:00): The agency Stewart is joining as VP of Content.
  • 95% Content (00:13:00): Podcast where Stewart previously shared AI content tips.
  • DeepSeek (00:20:00): A newer AI model Stewart mentions.
  • Claude and ChatGPT (00:22:00): AI tools Stewart uses with project/memory features.
  • Open Source Target Account List (00:33:00): A groundbreaking ABM campaign where Mutiny publicly shared their 5,000 target accounts and created personalized microsites for each one.


Follow Stewart Hillhouse on LinkedIn where he regularly shares content marketing insights.


Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast.

You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/animalz/).

03 Jun 2020What Brands Can Learn From Big Publishers with Parse.ly's Andrew Montalenti00:52:57

In today’s episode, Ryan talks with Andrew Montalenti, Founder and Chief Product Officer at content analytics platform Parse.ly.

We use Andrew’s experience working with some of the world’s largest publishers—the likes of WIRED, The Wall Street Journal, and Medium—to explore the changing face of content marketing. We talk through “platform-risk” and the growing need to diversify marketing channels; we dig deep into content attribution and analysis; and we share “publication”-inspired strategies that B2B and B2C brands can apply to their own content marketing.

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26 Feb 2020A Bottom of the Funnel Content Tactic00:06:51
In this (very) quick episode, Jimmy talks about why so many blogs don't generate leads and talks about how to address that problem. This advice won't disrupt your entire strategy—instead, you might consider a few small changes to help you drive more revenue with content.
05 Apr 2019Content Marketers: Ask "Why?" Before You Write a Single Word00:40:33

Nicole: https://twitter.com/nicoleckohler
Content Marketers: Ask "Why?" Before You Write a Single Word: https://www.animalz.co/blog/ask-why/

02 Apr 2020Customer Retention When It Really Matter [Live Show]00:34:11
In an environment where acquisition of new customers is very challenging for most business, retention is extremely important. In this episode, Jimmy and Devin talk about what we're doing to retain our customers, and what our customers are doing to retain their customers.
07 Aug 2019The Past, Present and Future of SEO00:52:14
In this episode, Devin and Cassie talk about how changes in Google SERPs make it harder for businesses to earn organic traffic. Is this a problem or an opportunity?
20 Apr 2020We're launching a new product!00:12:22
In this episode, Jimmy and Ryan talk about our new product: on-demand consulting for your content team. We explain what it is, who it's for and why now. We also talk through some of the behind-the-scenes of putting this together. Enjoy!
01 Oct 2019The Principles of a Successful Rebrand with Mark Johnson00:44:51

A well-executed rebrand can reinvigorate your base and attract new customers. Devin speaks with principal designer at Mixpanel, Mark Johnson, about how to execute a successful rebrand.

22 Mar 2019Blake Thorne00:48:26
05 Nov 2019Building a Content Team from Scratch w/ Sonja Jacobs 01:03:03

What do you do when you’re tasked with building a content team from the ground up? What are the first roles you should hire? What metrics should you be accountable to? What should your initial strategy look like?

To tackle this challenge, I’ve called in Sonja Jacob, currently the head of content marketing at AppDynamics. She has over 10 years of experience working in content, generating demand for companies such as Drift, Mattermark, Zenefits, and HubSpot.


This episode covers topics useful for people who are building teams from scratch, as well as those who are augmenting existing teams. From how to show ROI to justify new hires to the core functions that every content team needs, we’re talking team building today so let’s get into it. 

10 Oct 2019Content Outliers00:32:18

Content outliers, posts that generate a disproportionately high volume of search traffic, can make the rest of your site performance appear insignificant. The solution is in your reporting, today Jimmy and I discuss how to leverage data craft better narratives around whales and put those outliers to good use for things like brand awareness and backlinks. 

16 Jul 2019How to Give and Receive Creative Feedback00:34:24

Devin Bramhall - @devinemily
Jimmy Daly - @jimmy_daly

29 Jan 2019Why Don't More People Refresh Their Content?00:29:17
18 May 2021Product-Led Content & Thinking Like a Strategist with Dr. Fio Dossetto00:51:10

Dr. Fio Dossetto, editor-in-chief of contentfolks and former Senior Editor at Hotjar, talks through "product-led" content, writing search content without becoming a copycat, and levelling-up your career by thinking less like a writer, and more like a strategist.

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Hosts

  • Dr. Fio Dossetto is the editor-in-chief of contentfolks, and the former Senior Editor at Hotjar.
  • Ryan Law is the Director of Marketing for Animalz, an agency that delivers high-quality content marketing to enterprise companies, startups, and VC firms.

Mentioned in the Episode

Connect

21 Mar 2020Join us for a LIVE podcast on Wednesday!00:03:01
Join us for an upcoming LIVE podcast. We're going to talk about content marketing during a crisis and answering live questions. If you'd like to submit a question, just send to podcast@animalz.co. Register here: https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_rgucukfsTmuP3t6qTSMrvQ
26 Feb 2019Lane Genee00:39:16

Lane on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LaneGenee

03 Sep 2018Content Pruning00:21:09

Why is it that deleting thousands of posts from your blog can actually make your overall organic traffic go up?

And if it does work, why isn't everyone doing it?

Jan and Jimmy discuss the answers to these questions and more on the first episode of the Animalz podcast.

Jan: twitter.com/janerikasplund
Jimmy: twitter.com/jimmy_daly
Wistia yearbook drum machine: wistia.com/about/yearbook

22 Oct 2018Taking your Content Upmarket00:28:03

How to Take Your Content Upmarket When You Take Your SaaS Business Upmarket: https://www.animalz.co/blog/move-upmarket/
Jimmy: https://twitter.com/jimmy_daly
Jan: https://twitter.com/janerikasplund

07 Jul 2020The Animalz Principles of Quality00:41:26

As a company whose entire reason for existence is creating the world’s best content marketing, we spend a LOT of time thinking about quality:

  • What does it really mean to create something quality?
  • How can we consistently create quality, despite the fact that we work with hundreds of customers, in dozens of industries, each with their own, idiosyncratic tastes and preferences?
  • How can we stay ahead of changing trends, technology and expectations?

In today’s episode, I dive deep into the quality rabbit hole with Animalz CEO Devin.

We share the foundational, six principle benchmark we use to safeguard quality at Animalz; we talk through a strategic framework for adapting content to the expectations of other people; and we explore how the defining characteristics of “quality content” change over time.
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08 Jul 2021Hyper-Competitive Content Marketing With Buffer's Ash Read00:47:00

Ash Read, Editorial Director at Buffer, talks through: how to compete in an industry saturated by content marketing; finding your unique differentiator; the power of brand and vision in content; how to create and update “topical” content; and the content strategy he used to grow his side project’s traffic from 0 to 130,000 monthly pageviews.

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Hosts

  • Ash Read is the Editorial Director at Buffer, and the founder of modern homeware directory, Living Cozy.
  • Ryan Law is the Director of Marketing for Animalz, an agency that delivers high-quality content marketing to enterprise companies, startups, and VC firms.

Mentioned in the Episode

Connect

26 Mar 2020Content During a Crisis [Live Show]00:41:51
In our first-ever live podcast, Devin and Jimmy talk about content marketing during a crisis. We talk through a few situations that we're seeing our own customers experiencing and take questions from the group. Check the show notes for links, snippets and the video.
03 Aug 2020GPT-3 and the Future of Content Marketing00:25:01

In today’s episode of the Animalz podcast, I enlist Animalz Head of R&D, Andrew Tate, to talk through the good, the bad, and the downright mind-blowing aspects of GPT-3, the uncannily powerful natural language model from OpenAI.

We share examples of the type of content you can create with GPT-3, we analyze the quality and calibre of its writing, and we answer the question on every content marketer’s lips: should we be worried?

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Mentioned in the Episode

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15 Apr 2020How to Launch a Content Program in a Crisis (Joei Chan Interview)00:58:38
Are you rethinking your content strategy right now? So is Joei Chan, content director at the e-learning company 360Learning. She was hired to lead content just a few weeks before the Covid-19 crisis and is now launching a new content program right in the midst of it. In this episode, Devin and I interview her about the experience, plans, goals, resources and constraints.
18 Mar 2020How to Ween Off Paid Traffic00:28:18
This is among to the most things we common things we hear on sales calls: "Paid acquisition is getting too expensive and we haven't made any investment in content. How soon can we get started?" It's true that content can reduce your paid acquisition costs, but it also takes time to develop. In this episode, Jimmy and Devin talk about: * How to keep content very lean for better and faster results * The difference between B2B and B2C marketing * Our experience helping customers make this transition If you have feedback, comments or suggestions, reach out at podcast@animalz.co.
04 Mar 2020The Inputs Required to Create a Content Strategy00:27:18
Great content requires great context. In this episode, Jimmy and Jan talk about the inputs needed to paint that context. At the very least, you need a deep understanding of: * The customer * The product * The business model * The industry * The competition * The literature Once you have this information, you can create a strategy that suits the company's business needs.
04 Mar 2025AI as a Personal Trainer for Writers: A Conversation with Nathan Baschez of Lex00:39:00

In this episode, Nathan Baschez offers a refreshing perspective on AI writing tools. He explains we're still at "the very bottom of the S-curve of adoption" for writers embracing AI. Meanwhile, programmers have rapidly integrated these tools into their workflows. This gap represents both challenge and opportunity.


Instead of getting stuck in the typical AI debate ("Is it a threat to writers or just a shortcut?"), Nathan has a different take. He argues that neither outright rejection of AI nor complete surrender to it serves writers well. Instead, he shares a compelling framework: think of AI as a personal trainer for your writing process rather than a replacement.


About Our Guest: Nathan Baschez

Nathan Baschez is the founder and CEO of Lex, a tool that reimagines writing for the AI era. His unique perspective comes from a career spent in content, media, and tech. He was previously VP of Product at Substack, Head of Product at Gimlet Media, and co-founder/president of Every, a business and technology publication bundle.


About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & Content
"Hello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?" The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?


We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.


Timestamps

00:00 "We're at the bottom of the AI adoption curve"

01:16 "Pioneers in AI content creation"

02:04 "What content have you been consuming?"

04:02 "Lex: AI-enhanced writing for better results"

06:14 "Lessons from Gimlet, Substack and beyond"

08:38 "The birth of Lex as a side project"

11:00 "From 25,000 signups to company spinout"

15:05 "Why don't more writers use AI?"

17:23 "AI as a collaborator, not a replacement"

19:37 "The fear of being judged for using AI"

24:00 "The masochism in writing culture"

26:39 "Nathan's AI writing workflow"

28:00 "Reverse outlining and canvas features"

30:00 "The ABCD feedback framework"

33:00 "Proving reading still matters today"

34:38 "AI can't lead - that's what people do"

35:25 "Where to follow Nathan and Lex"

36:40 "The visual rhythm of good writing"


Mentioned Links & Resources

  • Art of Accomplishment (00:02:04): A podcast/newsletter by Joe Hudson, former venture capitalist turned coach, mentioned by Nathan as content he's been consuming lately.
  • Lex.page (00:35:03): Nathan's AI writing tool that looks like Google Docs "but on steroids and cleaner."
  • Cursor (00:08:30): An AI-powered code editor that Nathan mentions using instead of VS Code.
  • Nathan's career journey (00:06:14-00:09:00): Before founding Lex, Nathan was president and co-founder of Every (a publication bundle), VP of Product at Substack, and Head of Product at Gimlet Media.
  • Alex Blumberg's media projects (00:06:14-00:07:00): Nathan mentions Blumberg's work at This American Life, Planet Money, and especially the Startup podcast at Gimlet as some of his favorite media and influences.
  • Zapier, GitHub, Linear, and Notion (00:14:00): Companies Nathan mentions as models for sustainable growth.
  • Lex’s Annual Letter (00:14:39): Nathan's thoughtful exploration of the AI adoption gap between writers and programmers. MUST READ if you enjoyed the episode.
  • Follow Nathan and Lex: @nbashaw , @lexdotpage, or email hello@lex.page

Enjoyed this conversation?
Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast. You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/).


24 Jul 2019What the Heck Is Thought Leadership Content?00:45:42
This week, Devin and Jan explore what thought leadership content really is, what differentiates good thought leadership writing from bad and how to use this type of content to generate leads, attract talent and grow your brand.
25 Sep 2020How to Become a Thought Leader00:42:31

In today’s episode, I set out to answer one of the hardest questions in marketing: how do you become a thought leader?

I pick the brain of Animalz’s strategist Katie Parrott, and we chat through the defining traits of a true thought-leader (and why it requires more than adding the phrase to your LinkedIn bio); we discuss the idea of “earned secrets” as the fuel for thought leadership; we dig into the 5 “sources” of thought leadership we use at Animalz; and we wrap up by asking—is it really worth it? (spoiler: yes).

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20 Jul 2020Ecommerce Content Marketing: Hyper-Competition, Niches, and COVID-1900:36:03

Few industries are more saturated with content marketing than ecommerce. From juggernauts like Shopify and Bigcommerce, to a growing multitude of scrappy startups, every ecommerce company is hungry for rankings, traffic and mindshare.

In today’s episode, I’m chatting with Laura Moss, Animalz resident ecommerce pro, and the founder of her own ecommerce brand, Adventure Cats. 

We chat through strategies for turning the saturation and rate of change in ecommerce to your advantage; we dig into the power of “niching down” and competing for search volume on your own terms; we look at the short- and long-term impact of COVID on ecommerce marketing; and Laura shares nascent trends that she thinks all ecommerce marketers should pay close attention to.

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05 Feb 2020Top, Middle and Bottom of the Funnel Content—What Does It All Mean?!00:24:34
Terms like top, middle and bottom of the funnel content are thrown around all the time—but are we all speaking the same language? Ryan and Jimmy recently realized they had very different ideas of what these terms actually mean. They sat down to sort it all out and explain how to use this very imperfect framework.
15 Jan 2020Content Distribution Channels Explained, with Liz Gottbrecht00:50:48
Paid, earned, owned and shared. Our VP of Marketing Devin Bramhall chats with Liz Gottbrecht, VP of Marketing at the influencer marketing platform Mavrck. They explain the nuances of distribution, bounce around some great ideas and talk about their experience using various distribution channels.
31 Jul 2019The Two Core Functions of a Content Marketer00:41:16

In this episode, Devin and Nicole chat about the two core functions of a content manager: content strategy and content production. They also dive into the evolution of the content marketer's role and what the ideal content team structure looks like.

You can follow Devin on Twitter at @devinemily and Nicole at @nicoleckohler.

22 Jan 2020How One Viral Blog Post Catapulted Our Monthly Traffic00:23:04
Our teammate Jan-Erik Asplund recently wrote a piece for the Animalz blog that blew up. The piece—BLUF: The Military Standard That Can Make Your Writing More Powerful—trended on Hacker News and racked up 30,000+ pageviews in just a few days. It was shared all over Twitter, included in a few popular newsletters, mentioned on Lifehacker, and earned links from 120 domains. We had a real whale on our hands. What happened next was unexpected. Our traffic increased 4x—and then it sustained for the next few months, even long after the surge died off. Today, Jan explains how and why he wrote the post and we dissect the impact it had on our site.
15 Oct 2018The Content Growth Cycle00:25:03
19 Nov 2018Input vs. Quality00:31:38
27 Feb 2025AI & Content: Where’s The Value?00:15:45

“Hello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?”

Welcome to a new season of the Animalz Podcast, where hosts Ty Magnin (CEO) and Tim Metz (Director of Marketing and Innovation) go on a quest to cut through the AI noise and find the real pioneers creating value with AI.

In this season introduction, Ty and Tim explain why they've chosen to focus on AI and content — a topic consuming "at least half" of their work-related brain space. While everyone talks about AI, few share what's genuinely working (or spectacularly failing).

Looking ahead at their expectations for the season, they voice both excitement and skepticism: Will they discover spectacular use cases in SEO? How will AI reshape content creation teams? And what counterintuitive "second-order effects" might emerge as everyone adopts the same AI tools?

The hosts share their current AI workflows, from using AI as a "sparring partner" for writing to leveraging it for sales processes and data analysis. They confess where they're finding value and where the technology still falls short.

This season aims to separate hype from reality by speaking with the people actually pushing boundaries in AI-powered content:

Nathan Baschez - Founder at Lex (March 4th)

Kyle Coleman - CMO at Copy.ai (March 6th)

Thenuka Karunaratne - Co-founder and CEO at Daydream (March 11th)

Stewart Hillhouse - VP of Content at Storyarb (former Mutiny) (March 13th)

Parthi Loganathan -  Founder and CEO at Letterdrop (March 18th)

Ines Lee - Head of Content at Ali Abdaal (March 20th)

Alex Halliday - Founder and CEO at AirOps (March 25th)

Season close - Reflections with Ty and Tim (March 27th)

For more info, head over to https://www.animalz.co/podcast/.

09 Nov 2020Diversity, Equity and Inclusion: One Content Team’s Journey00:27:52

In today’s episode, Animalz's COO Haley Bryant talks with Sydney Carlton, Director of Brand Marketing at Storyblocks, a stock videos, images and audio provider. In October, Storyblocks launched Re:Stock, a campaign to more than double the representation of LGBTQ+ and BIPOC content in their library from 5% to 10% by 2021 and 20% by 2022.

The deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor sparked unprecedented focus on the Black Lives Matter movements.  Diversity, equity and inclusion transcends this moment, and to make significant progress, our focus has to be evergreen. As companies are challenged to figure out how to improve internally, some companies are taking their commitment to DEI a step further by sharing their action plans externally to challenge themselves, their customers, and their competitors to step up.

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19 Aug 2019Designing Quality: The Role of Editing in Content Marketing00:43:30


08 Oct 2018Bottom of Funnel Content00:28:43

Bottom of the Funnel Content: https://www.animalz.co/blog/bottom-of-the-funnel-content/
Jimmy: https://twitter.com/jimmy_daly
Jan: https://twitter.com/janerikasplund

10 Aug 2020Content Q&A #100:40:18

In today’s special episode of the Animalz podcast, you have questions, and we have answers.

I enlisted Animalz CEO Devin Bramhall to help me answer some of the hardest content marketing questions you could throw at us. We tackle launching new websites, balancing paid and organic spend, content promotion, offline buying processes, and a whole lot more. 

We’ll do another Q&A episode in the not-too-distant future, so if you have a question you’d like us to tackle, click the link in the show notes.

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04 May 2020How the Degreed Marketing Team Is Adapting to a New Normal00:54:22
The Degreed 2020 marketing plan is changing, and fast. With their original plans out the window, learn how their team is adapting their marketing strategy to keep growth trending up and to the right. Degreed's head of content and comms Sarah Danzl and managing editor Bella Lazzareschi joined us to talk about the importance of a diversified marketing plan, the role of PR during a crisis and how the best marketing is empathic.
02 May 2019The Secret to Content Promotion Is Hidden in Plain Sight00:34:24
05 Nov 2018How to Earn a Senior Content Marketing Role00:35:09
24 May 2021AI, Twitter Marketing & The Creator Economy with Blake Emal00:44:52

Blake Emal, Chief Marketing Officer at Copy.ai, explains how AI can help small content teams, how to get great at Twitter marketing, and why Copy.ai encourages its team to embrace side projects.

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Hosts

  • Blake Emal is the Chief Marketing Officer at Copy.ai, and the founder of Float, an online course creator for Notion.
  • Ryan Law is the Director of Marketing for Animalz, an agency that delivers high-quality content marketing to enterprise companies, startups, and VC firms.

Mentioned in the Episode


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10 Sep 2018Movement-First Content00:26:50

Distribution is important. But before you can get distribution, you often need to get credibility. The movement-first content framework allows you to plot a course for finding that tribe of true fans that will be your foundation on the road to greater growth.

Jan: twitter.com/janerikasplund
Jimmy: twitter.com/jimmy_daly
Movement-first content: www.animalz.co/blog/movement-first/
Hiten on "next companies": producthabits.com/next-companies/

06 Mar 2025Kyle Coleman (copy.ai) on Building Trust at Scale with AI-Synthesized Content00:38:02

In this episode, Kyle Coleman, CMO at copy.ai, brings clarity and practical wisdom to the AI content conversation. His perspective is positive, practical, and backed by remarkable results: over $50 million in pipeline generated for copy.ai with just $37,000 spent on demand generation.

Kyle introduces the concept of "AI-synthesized content" as distinct from "AI-generated content" — a framework that maintains human thinking and authenticity while dramatically scaling production. He articulates content's fundamental purpose as "building trust at scale" and demonstrates how thoughtfully implemented AI workflows can create content that remains authentic while becoming dramatically more scalable.


About Our Guest: Kyle Coleman

Kyle Coleman is the CMO at copy.ai, an AI platform for go-to-market use cases. His career began at Looker, where as the sixth employee he helped grow the company to $110 million in revenue and a $2.5 billion acquisition by Google.


Kyle then spent five years at Clari, moving from demand generation to leading all marketing as CMO, helping scale the company 8x in revenue. He's built a significant personal brand on LinkedIn, recognized as a LinkedIn Top Voice with over 130,000 followers.


About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & Content

Hello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?


The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?


We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.


Timestamps

00:00 "Do your research, know your audience, be a person" 

02:00 Kyle's journey from Looker to copy.ai

06:00 Building a LinkedIn audience since 2020

08:30 AI enhances fundamentals but doesn't replace them

12:00 Kyle's voice memo to LinkedIn post workflow

13:00 The difference between AI-synthesized and AI-generated content

19:00 Why content marketers remain skeptical of AI

23:00 Systematic thinking for successful AI adoption

27:00 "People who like writing are people who like thinking"

29:00 $50M pipeline on $37K spend: copy.ai's content flywheel

32:00 "Effective content builds trust at scale"

36:00 The new content culture is a workflow culture


Mentioned Links & Resources

  • Clari and Looker (00:02:00): Companies where Kyle built his marketing career before joining copy.ai. 
  • Copy.ai (00:03:00): Kyle's company, providing AI tools for content marketing and sales workflows.
  • Founders (00:04:00): A podcast Kyle recommends that offers summaries of founder biographies.
  • Acquired (00:04:00): Long-form podcast Kyle recommends with episodes on Mars, IKEA, and Sony.
  • Outreach and Salesloft (00:07:00): Sales platforms Kyle references when discussing outbound tactics.
  • LinkedIn Top Voice recognition (00:10:00): Kyle's 2020 recognition for sales content.
  • ChatGPT and Claude (00:19:00): AI tools Kyle mentions when explaining content creation limitations.
  • Nathan Thompson (00:28:00): copy.ai's Head of Content Strategy and former Animalz strategist.
  • Devin Reed (00:32:00): Kyle's colleague who coined "effective content builds trust at scale."
  • Follow Kyle Coleman on LinkedIn.

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17 Sep 2019The Copycat Content Crisis00:41:14

“Ranking for a keyword” is becoming increasingly synonymous with “ripping off the existing search results.” As a result, SERP results are becoming crowded with copycat articles. Content is becoming more and more homogeneous and companies are slipping into intellectual plagiarism. This is sloppy, boring and bad for customers and readers alike. This week, Ryan and Devin discuss how to creators can overcome the copycat content crisis to produce original ranking content. 

08 Jan 2019What's in a Report?00:36:35

Jimmy: https://twitter.com/jimmy_daly 
Devin: https://twitter.com/devinemily 

15 Jan 2019Three Challenges to Producing Great Content00:41:26
12 Feb 2020Is that a content strategy or a content plan?00:26:26
Is that a content strategy? A plan? Or is it a vision? We've realized that a lot of the terminology in our space is actually really confusing. Let's make sure that when we say the word "strategy" that we are all actually talking about the same thing. Here are a few of the resources we mentioned in this episode: * https://hbr.org/2019/10/5-simple-rules-for-strategy-execution * https://hbr.org/2018/04/your-strategic-plans-probably-arent-strategic-or-even-plans * https://hbr.org/2019/01/the-strategy-puzzle-of-subscription-based-dating-sites * https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2017/5/11/jpeg-your-ideas Have feedback? Shoot us an email at podcast@animalz.co.
13 Nov 2019How Agencies Can Provide First-Rate Customer Onboarding00:53:13

A successful onboarding experience makes the customer feel heard. They are excited about the future and confident that you - their partner - will help them bring their vision to life. A fraught onboarding experience involves too much talking (by you), not enough listening, and - therefore - uninformed actions that do more to divide you and your new customer rather than build trust. 
 
So what’s the secret to successful customer onboarding? I sat down with our VP of Operations, Haley Bryant, to get answers. She spent 5 years running teams at Apple and 2 years directing customer ops at Brazen Technologies before joining Animalz and transforming the way we onboard and service customers. 

09 Jul 2019We launched a free content analytics tool! 00:18:05
01 Nov 2018Your Blog is not a Publication00:32:29
26 Aug 2019How to BLUF Your Way to Better Writing00:28:35

BLUF is a military communications principle originally designed to enforce speed and clarity in reports and emails. But when applied to content marketing writing, it transforms loose narratives into succinct storylines. In this episode of the podcast, Animalz we explore how to use the BLUF method to achieve better writing as well as work communications. 

You can follow Devin on Twitter at @devinemily and Jan at @janerikasplund.

17 Jun 2020EdTech Content Marketing00:38:02

In today’s episode, Ryan chats with Animalz team members Cassie and Stephanie about Education Technology, an industry undergoing a gold-rush style boom in the wake of COVID-19.

We talk through the different business models used in EdTech, and the supporting role of content in each;  we discuss the biggest opportunities facing EdTech companies as they launch go-to-market strategies in the wake of coronavirus; and we dig into practical advice for creating killer content marketing for audiences of academics and industry experts.

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05 Mar 2019John Bonini00:44:57

John: https://twitter.com/Bonini84

29 Jan 2020Why Community Is the Most Important Trend in Marketing00:35:08
Community is decentralized, hard to measure and difficult for marketing teams to execute on. So why is it so important? In this episode, Devin and Jimmy talk community. Jimmy show his bias for easy-to-measure marketing channels and Devin explains why and all marketers should get a lot more comfortable with this type of work. Community, as it turns out, is probably the best way to create goodwill for your brand and help the people in your industry.
20 Sep 2018The Shape of Successful Content00:32:04
27 Jun 2019Using Content Lanes to Flesh Out Your Strategy00:36:02
11 Mar 2025Thenuka Karunaratne (daydream) on Building SEO Moats with AI00:34:03

In this episode, Thenuka Karunaratne shares how companies can create sustainable competitive advantages ("moats") in SEO as AI transforms search. With extensive experience in programmatic SEO, Thenuka explains why simply using AI to generate content isn't enough — the real advantage comes from proprietary data and strategic implementation.

Despite warning against "SEO on autopilot," Thenuka demonstrates the remarkable results possible with thoughtful AI integration. His case study with Twingate shows how programmatically created content quickly generated 50,000 monthly visits, with 20% of their demo page traffic coming from this content.


About Our Guest: Thenuka Karunaratne

Thenuka Karunaratne is the co-founder and CEO of daydream, a platform that automates programmatic SEO. Founded in 2023 with $3.8M in seed funding, daydream builds on Thenuka's experience creating high-performance programmatic SEO systems.


Before daydream, he founded Flixed, a streaming industry lead generation business that leveraged programmatic SEO to send over 100,000 subscribers to services like HBO, Disney, and Hulu.


About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & Content


Hello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?


The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?

We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.


Timestamps

00:00 Why most content teams lack visibility in AI-driven search

01:30 Thenuka’s background in SEO and streaming

03:30 From affiliate sites to building a programmatic SEO platform

06:00 The problem with manual approaches to long-tail SEO

08:30 Two major changes in search: AI answer engines and programmatic content

11:00 Tools for measuring brand visibility in AI answer engines

13:00 Why “SEO on autopilot” is a marketing myth

15:30 How AI can automate the strategic aspects of growth marketing

19:00 Why the future of SEO requires more technical expertise

21:00 Twingate case study: using data breaches to drive programmatic SEO

25:00 Why proprietary data becomes your competitive moat

27:30 How SEO is becoming a product function rather than marketing

29:00 The future of search when “computers talk to computers”


Mentioned Links & Resources


Unbroken (00:01:40): The biography of Olympian Louis Zamperini.


Flixed (00:03:00): Thenuka's previous programmatic SEO business.


ChatGPT and Perplexity (00:07:30): AI answer engines changing search behavior.


Zapier (00:09:10): Tool mentioned in the AI answer engine discussion.


Daydream Library (00:12:00): Where Thenuka announced their AI visibility tool.


Twingate (00:21:00): Featured in the 50,000-visit case study.


Coinbase, Airbnb, and Pinterest (00:26:30): Companies where SEO functions as a product capability.


Nexus (00:29:00): A book by Yuval Noah Harari mentioned in the post-interview discussion about finance and AI.


Follow Thenuka and daydream at at withdaydream.com or on LinkedIn or X.


Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast.


You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/animalz/).

22 May 2020Category Creation with SaaStock's Emily Byford00:42:25

In today’s episode, Ryan chats to Emily Byford, Content Marketing Manager at SaaStock.

We discuss SaaStock’s pivot from one of the premiere in-person SaaS conferences to an entirely online event in the wake of COVID-19; we dig deep into category creation, by way of Emily’s work at would-be category king Akkroo, and explore the role content plays in conceiving, evangelising and owning an emergent category; and we wrap-up by discussing the differences between agency content marketing, and working in-house at a startup.

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13 Jul 2020Auditing the Animalz Blog: What Works and What Doesn’t00:39:43

Content audit. Two words to strike fear into the heart of every content marketer.

Well, not really. For any blog more than a year or two old, getting to grips with the performance of your older content is a necessity. But the tools used to do that, content and SEO audits, generally get a bad rep. And with good reason: most audits are long, bloated documents crammed full of context-less keywords and statistics.

Here at Animalz, we’ve been on a mission to reinvent the content audit, and create a new process that’s fundamentally more useful. 

In true Animalz fashion, we wanted to experiment with our new audits on... ourselves. So we did! Our head of R&D, Andrew, audited the entire Animalz blog, and surfaced a few familiar problems. And as Animalz Director of Marketing... well, it’s up to me to solve them.

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10 Sep 20192019 Content Marketing Trends00:49:59

It turns out that most B2B SaaS companies have more or less the same problems. Execs do need to better understand their teams’ day-to-day issues, but content creators also need to appreciate the bigger picture. After 168 sales calls over 18 months, Jimmy shares his take on what's burning hot in content marketing right now. 

23 Nov 2020Content Marketing Benchmark Report 202000:53:13

In this webinar recorded for Superpath, Ryan and Andrew talk Jimmy Daly through Animalz's first annual Content Marketing Benchmark Report. They explore six key findings from the data; cover the methodology and process behind the report; and share stories and experience from working with the 70+ SaaS companies analyzed in their research.

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03 Sep 2019How To Position Your Brand So It Better Connects & Converts00:52:13

As content marketers, we’re laser-focused on, well, content and the strategy we create around it. But even the best writing will fall flat if you’re working with the wrong value proposition or worse: none at all. Today, we’re joined by brand strategist Doug Fox, who shares his advice on finding a unique message that connects with their audience and drives new business.

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