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Episode 002: Let's talk about generational shifts in hair care
00:54:37
On this episode of Texture Talks, Patricia Bennett, Mother of the Host joins Paige as a special guest to talk candidly about her hair care experiences over the years from growing up in Jamaica in the 60's to migrating to England in the 80's. From the struggles of her hot comb chronicles and resisting the relaxer to tips on how to manage a curly perm without the headache of grease, Patricia gives listeners honesty, humility and humour in a conversation with her daughter that is not to be missed!
Go to www.texturetalks.co.uk/episode-002 to learn more about Patricia and ask her any questions directly!
Important Moments - Growing up in Jamaica [2:43] - Pressing Comb Experience [4:21] - Resisting Relaxers [7:05] - Looking Back At The Curly Perm [8:33] - Giving In To Relaxer [11:05] - First Introduction To Wigs and Weaves [11:35] - The Big Chop [15:15] - Trying To Get A HairCut At A White Salon [17:44] - Beginning To Bleach [21:00] - Mums Worst Salon Experience [27:47] - The Issue With Self Taught Hair Stylists [35:00] - Reading Out A Listeners Worst Salon Experience [36:30] - One Piece Of Advice Mum Would Give Her Younger Self [41:40] - Special Announcement! [48:03] - Introducing Episode 003 Special Guest! [48:40]
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As co-founder of innovative digital trichology start-up, Curl iD, an incredible business offering personalised guidance for the afro and curly haired community, with 29+ years of experience, and a distinction from the Institute of Trichology, Sam holds a wealth of knowledge about the hair, and scalp of the afro and curly haired people, and will be shedding light on a topic that we all know too well...no pun intended.
Key topics covered on the episode:
What relaxer exactly is, and the correct way to use it
Understanding the misconception of it being a 'hair straightener'
Learning the science of corrosion and how this applies to relaxers and our scalp health
Debating the issues around connecting medical conditions to the use of relaxers
Why relaxers should never have been sold to consumers in the first place
How to maintain a relaxer and retain length
The second half of the episode will have Sam answering your biggest challenges directly to give you, our listeners.
She will be answering questions such as
How can I thicken my naturally thin hair?
How can I do my treatments correctly?
What are the long-term effects of bleaching on my scalp?
How can I retain length once I've had a baby?
Important Moments 1st segment - Intro to Guest [1:52] - Intro to Curl iD (The Brand) [4:14] - Learning about Curl iDs mission [9:01] - Intro to topic (Relaxers) [10:23] - What is a relaxer? [11:14] - What is the correct way to use a Relaxer? [12:03] - How long is a Relaxer supposed to be left on? [14:40] - Can Relaxers give us medical conditions like cancer? [18:30] - Are there any negative impacts to using Relaxers on young children's scalps? [25:05] - Biggest Advice for people using hair Relaxers. [28:27] - Why hair is dead [29:34] - Why you hair can only grow to a certain length [31:08] - How to get in touch with Sam [34:02]
2nd segment - Intro to 2nd segment (Answering Listener's Challenges) [34:47] - First Challenge (How can I thicken my natural hair?) [35:09] - Second Challenge (What is the proper way to do hair treatments?) [37:48] - Third Challenge (What are the long-term effects on your health when regularly bleaching your hair?) [39:18] - Fourth and Last Challenge. (How to retain length after childbirth) [41:53]
Summary of next episode - Introducing next month's guest [45:50]
On Episode 005 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined by Rahma Suleiman, a healthy hair advocate for Black and Muslim women, to discuss and debate the nuances of Texturism and Cultural Appropriation in our culture.
4c_Hijabi, also known as Rahma, is a passionate advocate for healthy natural haircare within the Black and Muslim community. Healthy haircare practices. Healthy haircare minds set and a healthy understanding of how faith and hair care intersect.
Through her social media content, she aims to empower black and Muslim women by amplifying their voices and giving them access and visibility in the hair care space. She also shares advice on managing type 4 hair, focusing on unique concerns like ghusl and hijab-friendly protective styles.
Rahma is also a Co- founder of Curls, Coils, and Sisters,a haircare event dedicated to changing the negative narrative of hair care through education.
Her mission is to inspire women to embrace their natural curls and coils, fostering a community that uplifts and supports each other's haircare journeys.
What is Texturism?
Why is Texturism such an important topic?
Why can't a hairstyle be just a hairstyle?
The Influence of Western Culture on the Black Community
The importance of controlling the narrative.
Cultural Appropriation and how the Likes of Kim Kardashian can help
Why the Black Community needs to start gatekeeping
What we can learn from Sister Locs
Protecting yourself legally from creative plagiarism
Important Moments - Intro to Topic [1:36] - Intro to Guest [2:12] - What is Texturism? [3:21] - Why Texturism is such an important topic today? [5:20] - Natural Hair Feeling Like Slavery [7:00] - Can't A Style Just Be A Style? [08:04] - Growing Up In Yoruban Culture [12:10] - Texurism in the Loc Community [14:59] - Hair Texture Not Always Linked To Race [19:59] - The Debate of Hair Styling over Hair Health [24:00] - Kim Kardashian And Cultural Appropriation [27:50] - Why We Need To Gatekeep [33:02] - The Sister Locs Example - How To Protect Your Creation [35:18] - Reviewing the Aztec Braid [35:48] - Shifting Our Mindset [37:55] - Final Comments [39:00] - Rahma Speaking at Curls Coils And Sisters Event [40:34]
On Episode 004 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined by Erica Liburd, curly hair specialist, owner and founder of curly hair salon, Muse, in Northampton, and co-founder of the Cross-Cultural Curl Collective, a collective of curly specialists from around the world, educating and training salon owners and hair professionals on how to care, treat and understand not just afro and curly hair but the cultures behind them.
Key topics covered on the episode:
What the landscape of British Hairdressing was like 30 years ago learning Afro hair
Explaining the pains and challenges faced by the afro and curly-haired community
Debating the July 2021 decision to make foundation-level services for curly hair the standard
Understanding the need for the Cross-Cultural Curl Collective and the goal of the movement
What kind of training is available for salon owners and stylists looking to educate themselves on afro and curly hair with the Cross-Cultural Curl Collective
How our community can help uplift the movement to drive more education across hairdressers in Britain
Important Moments
- Intro to Guest [1:50] - Intro to Muse Salon and The Cross-Cultural Curl Collective [2:20] - Intro to Erica (Why are you a hairdresser?) [3:25] - Ericas Hairdressing College Career Experience [4:39] - Becoming An Educator [12:02] - NOS published a review of British Hairdressing Standards [13:07] - 2021 Standards Change To Include Afro Hair In British Salons [14:04] - Worst curly-haired client experiences from other salons [17:05] - What started The Cross-Cultural Curl Collective? [20:37] - What kind of training does the collective offer? [24:32] - What does the future look like? [29:14] - Final comments [36:21] - Ericas advice to professionals [37:13] - How to contact Erica [40:30] - Special Announcement! [41:23]
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Episode 006: Let's Talk About Taking Bad Hair Appointments Legal.
00:32:13
On Episode 006 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined by Lei, to discuss how we can and should take further legal action when hair stylists, 'professionals' and salons neglect us before, during and/or after our hair appointments, as they experienced when they attempted to get a Silk Press themselves.
Key topics covered on the episode:
Expectations vs Reality when spontaneously booking a hair appointment
The toxic dynamic created between hairdressers and customers in the black community
Ways to follow up post-appointment if you're unhappy
Handling abuse from a hairdresser
Steps to take a hairdresser to small claims court
Misconceptions about taking a hair appointment gone wrong legal
Important Moments - Intro to Topic [1:36] - Intro to Guest [2:06] - Leis relationship with her hair [2:57] - Leis experience with hairdressers [5:40] - Lei starts to explain the story of her hair appointment that went wrong [6:42] - The aftermath of the hair appointment [17:23] - Explaining the process of going to small claims court [21:16] - How to get in touch with Lei [30:38]
Episode 007: Let's Talk About The Importance Of Health To Retain Length
00:28:44
On Episode 007 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined by Natalian Williams, to discuss how important our health is to growing, retaining and caring for our natural hair length.
Key topics covered on the episode:
The impact that Hyperthyroidism/Graves Disease
can have on hair growth
The importance of bodily health when growing hair
Natural hair products and Ingredients to look for when struggling to retain length
How you your diet adds value to your hair care journey
Why seeing your GP is so important to growing healthy hair
Why we need to avoid hair grease
How long does it take to see real change in your hair care
The biggest advice from Natalian when growing your hair and retaining length
Get In Touch With Natalian! - Website - www.natalianwilliams.com - Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/natalianwilliams/ - TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@natalianwilliams?lang=en - YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@natalianwilliams
WATCH FULL EPISODE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBL6mQVYsDk
On Episode 008 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined once again by Rahma Suleiman, a healthy hair advocate for Black and Muslim women, to discuss the cultural biases faced by the black community within the realm of hair and beauty.
4c_Hijabi, also known as Rahma, is a passionate advocate for healthy natural haircare within the Black and Muslim community. Healthy haircare practices. Healthy haircare minds set and a healthy understanding of how faith and hair care intersect.
Through her social media content, she aims to empower black and Muslim women by amplifying their voices and giving them access and visibility in the hair care space. She also shares advice on managing type 4 hair, focusing on unique concerns like ghusl and hijab-friendly protective styles.
Rahma is also a Co- founder of Curls, Coils, and Sisters, a haircare event dedicated to changing the negative narrative of hair care through education.
Her mission is to inspire women to embrace their natural curls and coils, fostering a community that uplifts and supports each other's haircare journeys.
Key topics covered on the episode:
Why are we so obsessed with long hair?
What are the determinators of beauty in them black community?
What impact does western society have on our understanding of beauty?
Episode 009:Let's Talk About Changing The Narrative Around Natural Hair
00:41:43
On Episode 009 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined by DreamGirls Co-Founders Sharie Wilson and Tonya Thompson are on a mission to debunk the myth that black women *can’t* have long, healthy hair and change the negative narrative around natural hair and instead, be champions for textured hair.
Thompson and Wilson are professional hairstylists with over a decade of experience who are recognized for their reputation of having “magic hair-growing hands.”
They’ve made it not only their expertise but passion to help black women's hair reach its greatest potential in both strength and length through the DreamGirls Healthy Hair Program and product line.
Episode 010: Let's Talk About Afro Hair Care In Japan
00:23:03
On Episode 010 of The Texture Talks Podcast, I will be joined by Miss Universe Great Britain 2023 Finalist, and Japan Energy Analyst, Michelle Appeah, about her experience caring for her natural hair whilst living in Japan.
Connect with Michelle : https://www.instagram.com/michelle.appeah/
On Episode 012 of The Texture Talks Podcast I will be joined by Carine Mbembe White, Natural Hair Specialist and Founder and CEO of Afro Hair Candy, an incredible 100% chemical free and organic hair and skin care brand, on the issues of Hair Loss and toxic products and habits in our community that can lead to us losing our natural hair.
From moving from a remote village in Central Africa, the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) where everything she used and made was from the earths environment and 100% natural to the UK where within a year her hair completely fell out, Carines story and journey of discovery is one that can help all of us better understand, treat and care for our natural hair.
Get In Touch With Carine - Shop Afro Hair Candy - https://afrohaircandy.co.uk/ - Following on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@afrohaircandy?lang=en - Following on TikTok https://www.instagram.com/afrohaircandy/
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On Episode 013 of Texture Talks I'll be joined by Karen Fox, the CEO and Founder of Fox Grand Luxe, an African-American beauty company offering high-quality, innovative, and inclusive products that cater to the unique needs of wig wearers.
Fox is revolutionising the hair/wig industry with her innovative wig glue that has been thoughtfully tested by chemists and is designed to offer a secure, comfortable, and long-lasting hold for all hair types that, with the correct wig maintenance methods she promotes and teaches, won't hinder your natural hair growth or rip out your edges!
Get In Touch With Karen - Shop Fox Grand Luxe - https://www.foxgrandluxe.com/ - Following on TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@foxgrandluxe?lang=en - Following on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/foxgrandluxeglue/
On episode 014 of Texture Talks I will be joined by Sabrina Murrell, Founder of Morrells, a natural hair care Salon based in South London that promotes clients to really care, understand and love their natural hair, and we will be discussed the issues with DIY hairdressing.
With the rise of Influencers and YouTube gurus guiding us through step by step tutorials on how to treat our hair, more of us are turning to our own skillset and cutting out hair professionals to achieve our hair goals, Sabrina wants to give real life explanations as to why this method can be hugely problematic and dangerous, whilst also giving tips on how you can better 'Do It Yourself' in a safer way to avoid long term damage to your natural hair.
Get In Touch With Sabrina - Website - https://morells.co.uk/ - Follow on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/morellsofbrockley/
On episode 015 of Texture Talks I'll be joined by Dolly Sembi, a curl specialist and a curly haired woman of South Asian decent who spent many years battling with her own relationship with her curls as a result of her own cultures negative feeling towards them stemming from a deeper issue of colourism at the core of her community.
From being raised in the UK fighting western beauty ideals to learn to love her natural curls and going against the grain of her own parents beliefs to raising a young mixed-heritage South Asian and Jamaican son in grossly unforgiving and unaccepting environments, Dolly has powered through against all odds to current day, where she now not only fully embraces her beautiful natural curls but helps people from every race, background and age to do the same as a hair professional, and has an important story to tell.
Get In Touch With Dolly - Follow on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dolly_curls/ - Follow on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dollysembi/
On episode 16 of Texture Talks I'll be joined by Author and Model Zainab Kwaw-Swanzy, about the challenges that come with dating and romance when you're a part of the afro and curly haired community.
We also discuss some of the nuances when dating both inside and outside your own culture, and debate the concepts around preference vs prejudice when it comes to what men want.
As the writer of an amazing book celebrating the cultural history of Black hair, A Quick Ting On The Black Girl Afro, which covers a gamut of topics related to Black hair, including the history and politics of the afro, microaggressions and cultural appropriation, Zainab also has written about dating with curly hair for Black Ballad (READ HERE) making her a brilliant guest to join this conversation.
WATCH FULL EPISODE NOW https://youtu.be/pjn8N6xLOCc
On episode 017 of Texture Talks I'll be talking to Marsha Martin, the founder of a support group called Black SEN Mamas created to uplift, connect and connect black mothers like herself with neurodivergent children.
As the creator of an incredible hub of info, advocacy & support, for the community of Black Mothers and sole carers, of SEND/neurodiverse children, in the UK, me and Marsha will be discussing, the challenges faced by SEN children, particularly those with SEN issues as far as their hair maintenance.
There are serious social stigmas and judgments Marsha and the other mothers in her support group receive from the Black community which grossly impacts their mental health, and this episode will unpack these challenges and get into the nitty gritty of what we as a community need to do better to accommodate and support Black SEN families.
On Episode 018 of Texture Talks I will be speaking to Skye Richards, a young, vibrant and incredibly knowledgeable business owner and founder of Alyisum Beauty, a natural range of hair and skin care products, talking about how to REALLY read product labels to help us truly understand what is going onto our skin and scalp and into our hair.
Skye prides herself on understanding the ins and outs of the ingredients in her products, ensuring they are the best quality for afro and curly hair, and from making her own hair care products from the TENDER AGE of 13, she has a lot of knowledge to share, a lot of which I am sure will seriously surprirse and shock you as they did me.
Expect to learn how to read a label correctly, how to know how much of what ingredient your really getting and why its so important to understand product labels to this degree when shopping around.
On episode 019 of Texture Talks me and Spoken Word Poet, Author, Coach and Creative, Oneness Sankara, who dedicates her life to supporting Women of African Heritage to find abundance, joy, peace & self love.
We will be discussing some of the problematic issues tied to using words with harmful historical context when naming products and brands.
With a particular focus on the challenges around the term "Coolie" when naming locs as a prime example of how words that seem harmless can carry huge meaning to a culture, me and Oneness really get into some difficult concepts, questions and queries around what company owners responsibilities really are, and whether it really is 'that deep'.
On episode 20 of Texture Talks I'll be joined by Keziah Dhamma, Founder and CEO of Swirly Curly Hair Care Products, who much like many of us in the afro and curly haired community, struggled to find products, routines and advice about her curls that actually worked. In addition to creating this incredible product line born of her own challenges with her hair, Keziah has also invested her time heavily in education, launching her very own Curl College, and Swirly Curly method to help break down the stigmas, crack open the myths, and really explain curly and coily hair in a beautifully simple way that I personally have never heard our hair explained before...I listened and think its the easiest guide and the best education for our hair that I've listened to yet.
Join me and Keziah as we talk about her experiences with her curls growing up in Sacremento California, the difficulties and bad advice she got along the way, some amazing tips and tricks we can take away and use ourselves and I dig into what makes the Swirly Curly method so different to the countless other methods we've all heard of already so we can have the kind of beautiful, healthy curls, that we can be proud of!
Shop our natural hair products www.swirlycurlyhair.com and use code TEXTURETALKS15 for 15% off your entire order.
Join our CurlCollege community and learn via video tutorials www.curlcollege.com.
Get a FREE copy of the SwirlyCurly method book by going to www.theswirlycurlymethod.com.
On episode 021 of Texture Talks, I will be interviewing Badria Ahmed, Founder of Holy Curls, a UK-based textured hair care brand for waves, curls, coils and everything in between, that is boldly moving in a new direction.
As from 2022, they have removed all references of typing hair in numbers and letters (3a/4b etc). This system, as you are aware, was created by Andre Walker and has been the go to hair typing system in the industry. However, describing hair by their curl pattern only shows half the picture. Badria felt it was time to change the conversion about curls and talk about it from a more holistic approach. Prescribing oils and butters for all hair fibres is NOT going to provide moisture, brands and stylists have to dig a little deeper below the surface......
Join our interview, talking in detail about Holy Curls incredible campaign, 'Curls 2.0' which was born out of the realisation that the way brands currently speak to their customers about their curl care simply isn't good enough.
The Texture Talks Podcast is an honest, insightful and often hilarious deep dive into the ups and downs of daily life for the curly, kinky and afro hair community fronted by a straight-talking, dry-humoured black female host with over 15 years experience caring for her afro hair with a hell of a lot to say about it! You'll get the real on Paige's first-hand experiences, unpopular opinions, and heartfelt truths. Expect a mix of gritty guest interviews and solo storytelling like you've never heard before.
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On Episode 022 of Texture Talks, I will be speaking to Angela Stewart, a Professional Hair and makeup Artist that specialises in Afro Hair.
For over a year she's been teaching the joy of Afro Hair Knowledge to Film schools and independent learners alike, and I wanted to understand what led her onto this journey as an educator, what some of the most memorable hair care experiences of the people she teaches have been, and get some tips, ideas and guidance from her career so far for our own natural hair care journeys, some of which will REALLY surprise you!
On Episode 022 of Texture Talks, I will be speaking to Sadia Kabeya, an English rugby union player who plays for England internationally, and has been vocal in the press about her experiences as a black woman playing a sport that is known well for being for a predominantly white, middle classed audience, and how this environment has impacted her on her hair care journey.
Join us as we speak candidly and openly about what needs to change to allow more black girls like Sadia to feel more comfortable following in her footsteps.
On Episode 024 of Texture Talks, I will be speaking to Juniper Johnson, a West African American artist based in Florida and the creator of an exciting project called "Heavy is the Head" that aims to honour and showcase the rich history of Black hair, celebrating diversity and self-expression within the Black community.
Inspired by Afro Sheen commercials, Jet and Ebony magazines, "Heavy is the Head" will feature a curated collection of photographs, stories, and historical accounts. It's vital for the Black community to see themselves represented and understood. Additionally, they will also highlight the Crown Act, addressing the discrimination against Black hair across different states, and I wanted the full early scoop before it's official release at the beginning of October!
HEAVY IS THE HEAD INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/heavyistheheadfilm/
On Episode 025 of Season One of Texture Talks, I will be speaking to Natural Hair Care Influencer, _QueenLike_ aka Sarah Jorge who shares her experience growing up in Germany and learning how to love her natural curls with little to know resources, education or representation around her.
From next to no places to shop to buy black hair care products, to being the only black girl in a predominantly white school, Sarah vulnerably speaks her truths, and shares some of her staple hair care tips in the process for all of us to take away and try ourselves!
CONNECT WITH SARAH https://www.instagram.com/_queenlike_/
On Episode 026, of the penultimate episode of Season One of Texture Talks, I will be speaking to Tanisha Shedden, a Counselor Coach and speaker but also a transracial adoptee who was raised by white parents.
This made her natural hair Journey very unique , together we unpack the cultural impact for black children and children of colour, that are adopted into white families or families outside of their own race, and discuss ways we feel as women of colour ourselves this can be remedied to ensure that the children are able to still feel a connection to who they are or a distance fro. the hair they have on their heads.
This was such an incredible conversation, and I can't wait to share it with you!
Tanisha Shedden, also has her own podcast @foundlifepod where she posts about mental health and healing and Trauma which you should definitely check out!
On Episode 027 of Texture Talks, I will be doing an in depth Q&A Session with Enitan Agidee, NHS Trained Afro Trichologist Science Hair Coach and owner of a multiple award winning product line of hair care products. Enitan is also the founder of the Healthy Hair Studio based in London, which aims to dispel as much misinformation as possible in the afro and curly hair community.
Over the years, Enitan has continued to update her knowledge by taking numerous training; she also went ahead to become a Trichologist which was a heavy time and financial investment. But she understood that it was necessary to get the essential science foundation and credibility which would enable her to fill the gap desperately needed in the black hair community.
Join us on the Season Finale of Texture Talks, where we spend an hour digging into the toughest questions in the community, some of the biggest statements from across the season, and to learn some new information straight from Enitan that many of us have likely never heard before.
Listen to this emotional recap of Season One from Paige Lewin, Founder and Host of the Texture Talks Podcast, the UKs only active podcast for the curly and afro haired community as she talks candidly about how creating the podcast has changed her life forever.
Paige gives emotional stories from behind the scenes that she's told nobody, talks about the highlights of her first season, hardest challenges as a content creator, and gives some insightful tips, tricks and advice to other content creators, podcasters or aspiring podcasters to help them on their own journeys.
Message from Paige
Creating this podcast has truly been one of the most rewarding journeys of my entire life.
I have connected with so many incredible people in such an authentic, honest, and incredibly beautiful way that makes me so proud of us, our strength and our resilience as a community of people.
FOLLOW MY JOURNEY https://www.instagram.com/texturetalksuk/
WATCH AND LISTEN TO SEASON ONE https://www.texturetalks.co.uk/episodes
#1 RAISING THE BAR FOR BLACK HAIR CARE WITH JAMELIA DONALDSON CEO OF TREASURETRESS
00:44:33
For years retail environments for black hair care products and services have been lacking the same upmarket aesthetic and customer service promoted by the beauty industry targeting those outside of the black community.
With black consumers now suffering issues of abuse, neglect and racism when buying the hair care products they need, it's more important than ever to lift up, promote and support black owned businesses serving the community.
I speak to CEO of natural product discovery box TreasureTress, Jamelia Donaldson, who joins me to discuss raising the bar for the black beauty industry, and why re-aligning the standard for black hair care to global beauty standards is so important.
#2 HOW TO TRUST HAIR CARE BRANDS AND STYLISTS WITH RACHEL MARCELIN CEO OF CURL ID
00:37:26
The afro and curly haired community invest millions into their hair care routines, products, styling and maintenance every year, with the number only increasing.
There are hundreds of new potential vendors, ranges of products, hair stylists and brands for us to choose from, with more launching every day, targeting our community as customers for whatever hair care solution they are selling. In the midst of all of this, how do we know who to trust?
With the hair industry still functioning without any regulations, how can curly haired consumers protect themselves against poor service, toxic products and potential physical and emotional neglect at the hands of those who are not armed with the skills and understanding of our hair to be able to truly help us? How can we create a quality assurance process to help vet companies and professionals before we invest our money and time into them and raise the bar for the standards of service offered to our community as a whole?
#3 FREEFORM LOCS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAIR IN DREAMING WHILST BLACK WITH ADJANI SALMON
00:50:22
I speak to Actor, Writer-Director and Star of Critically Acclaimed TV Show "Dreaming Whilst Black" Adjani Salmon, who joins me to discuss his loc journey both personally and professionally in depth!
For many of us in the black community wearing our natural afro hair, especially in western environments comes with a range of hurdles in itself, from being forced to explain yourself, your aesthetic and your culture to those around you who are curious, to having to constantly consider how you will be perceived when you step into new spaces.
Now picture this experience with your hair loc'd, the experience for a large majority often only intensifies. On this episode of Texture Talks we will be digging into Actor and Film Director Adjani Salmons loc journey, learning about the reasons behind his choice to grow freeform locs, how they have shaped his sense of self and what impact his choice of hairstyle has had on his ability to excel creatively and professionally in film and TV.
FOLLOW ADJANI ON SOCIALS: https://www.instagram.com/s.adjani/ https://twitter.com/theadjani
#5 HOW CHANGING HAIRSTYLES AS BLACK WOMEN CAN IMPACT OUR SENSE OF SELF WITH ANNA JIEMAN
00:33:42
Black women spend much of our lives trying, testing and playing with different hairstyles, looks, lengths and colors. We have become masters at shapeshifting into different environments, oftentimes altering our appearances in order to fit into the spaces we find ourselves in.
Whether wearing a straight wig for a corporate workplace, or laying your baby hairs for an upcoming date, have we ever considered the real reasons behind why we make these choices, or thought about the long term impact to our sense of selves, mental health, and journey of self love and acceptance from frequently transitioning from one mask to another?
I speak to Anna-Theresa Jieman PhD candidate in Psychology at the Queen Mary University of London who is currently researching Black Women and their triggers for depression and anxiety, who joins me to discuss insights from her study and talk about how shapeshifting between hairstyles can impact our sense of self.
#4 CURLY HAIR STRUGGLES ON SET WITH ACTOR AND FILMMAKER FOLA EVANS-AKINGBOLA
00:36:12
Fola Evans-Akingbola is both a critically acclaimed actor and activist for the rights of her community. As a curly haired woman of color working in film and TV Fola, has been forced to experience feelings of frustration and isolation simply due to having a curlier hair texture than her straighter haired colleagues on set.
From constantly having to guide and direct stylists on how to simply do their jobs due to their lack of experience with her curl pattern to have to go as far as to create her own ‘how to’ video to guide ‘professionals’ on set to avoid any mistakes or damage to her natural hair, Fola, much like many of her peers, has frequently had to invest time, energy and resources into making sure her hair is properly cared for when she should be focussing on the role she's been hired to play.
As a result, Fola created an incredible documentary, Untold Stories: Hair on Set, to highlight these issues, allowing a range of male and female creatives in her space to be able to speak their truths, helping raise awareness and bring this discrimination to an end.
I talk to Fola about her reasons for creating the documentary, some of the stand out moments for her on her hair care journey, and look forward to what needs to change in order for the incredible work she initiated with her documentary to continue.
#6 WHY IS BARBERSHOP THERAPY SO IMPORTANT FOR BLACK MEN? WITH MARK MACIVER
01:07:48
For many men they often feel unable to be as vulnerable and open with their thoughts and feelings as their female counterparts. This feeling of quiet isolation is only further exacerbated in the black community, but with mental health becoming more of a topic of conversation for black men than it's ever been before, more spaces for discussion and vulnerability are presenting themselves.
On this episode we will speak to Mark Maciver, to get his perspective as a barber and mental health advocate on why he feels many black men have such close knit relationships with their barbers, and really discussing how that trip for a shape up helps many manage their mental health and wellbeing.
Barber shop therapy is not a new concept, but one that is yet to truly be dissected and understood from the perspective of the 'therapist' himself.
#7 NATURAL HAIR IN BROADCAST MEDIA AND WHY VISUAL REPRESENTATION IS SO IMPORTANT WITH TV PRESENTER AND HOST SCARLETTE DOUGLAS
00:52:51
Having the freedom to explore new hairstyles is a huge part of a black womans creative self expression. However, when working in TV and Broadcast Media, creating content promoted to millions of viewers from both inside and outside of your own community, the question of how you want to be perceived and understood is one that will have to be asked.
During this interview I will unpack the experience of popular black British female TV Presenter, Scarlette Douglas, who much like many of us, wants to try new looks and hairstyles, showcasing the beauty of her natural hair one day and the variety of braids, bantu knots or extensions the next, whilst still protecting the health of her hair AND progressing and flourishing in her career.
We discuss the power of visibility and representation in the media for younger generations of talented people of colour that are looking for faces that are reminiscent of their own, and dig into what we feel needs to change in the landscape of TV to perpetuate an ongoing positive narrative for the black community who may themselves strive to one day also see themselves in the media.
#8 THE PROBLEM WITH AFRO HAIRDRESSING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF TRICHOLOGY FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY WITH OWNERS OF FULHAM SCALP AND HAIR CLINIC TERESA AND ELEANORE RICHARDSON
00:45:06
Teresa Richardson has spent over a decade building one of the few black, female led trichology clinics in the country that specialise in afro and curly hair, with her daughter Eleanore Richardson.
On this episode we will be talking about Teresa Richardsons journey from afro hairdresser to highly esteemed consultant Trichologist and worked tirelessly against all odds to create a clean, safe environment for our community to get the help they need and deserve.
We also unpack why trichology is still so new to the black community, and why science backed hair care assistance could be what we've all been missing!
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#9 UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF CHILDHOOD HAIR CARE TRAUMA WITH LEKIA LEE FOUNDER OF PROJECT EMBRACE
01:01:05
I speak to Lekia Lee Founder of Project Embrace about how we feel about our hair, the rituals and routines we practice, the terminologies we use, and our perceptions of beauty, start incredibly young.
As children we take in our surroundings in a very matter-of-fact way, often times internalising what we see, experience, or hear and carrying these themes long into adulthood, without necessarily even realising their impacts.
I talk to Lekia about her childhood journey with her hair, her self love and her culture whilst also taking a look into some of the insights extracted from a new report she curated this year, to understand black women's relationships with their hair.
This episode gives the community a painful but much needed insight into not only the importance of the environments we raise our black children in, but also the ramifications of neglecting to understand the significance of how these environments can impact the trauma they carry as adults.
#10 PLAYING SPORT WITH NATURAL HAIR AND THE IMPORTANCE OF SEEKING PROFESSIONAL HELP WITH SIMI PAM
00:51:35
I speak to professional Rugby Player, and Junior Doctor Simi Pam, who after realising the serious harm the sport was inflicting on her natural coils, was forced to make serious changes to protect her afro, leading her on a journey where everything from her femininity and sense of self to her understanding of what professional help was available was challenged.
Playing any sport will always have a natural impact on how you are able to care for and maintain your natural hair, especially when you have afro and curly hair, however when playing contact or collision sports such as Rugby at a professional level, the potential for damage only further increases, threatening over time to cause irreparable harm that can never be repaired.
Stop Using 4C, Black Salon Trauma, And Is Black Hair Difficult? - Texture Talks x Mixed Up Podcast
00:58:11
WATCH PART 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqlE8Ke9uK0&t=15s LISTEN TO PART 1 - https://open.spotify.com/episode/4hHyO6ZvKBsj8HicNPnBCQ?si=Xwr6cSQDQwS97fN_z-8dpw
WATCH PART 2 - https://youtu.be/bi9KHGvSyeY
Join me on this special BONUS crossover episode of Texture Talks and Mixed Up Podcast as I sit down with hosts Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran, of The Mixed Up Podcast and multi-passionate creative Oneness Sankarato discuss and debate CANDIDLY the issues with the curl typing system, what 4C even means, ad whether we need to get rid of the system altogether to be able to not just better connect as a community but start seeing some REAL RESULTS on our natural hair care journeys!
Together, we unpack how we, as black and mixed-race women, can speak honestly to each other properly about our hair, knowing and acknowledging we all have differing challenges but that us individually talking about them openly doesn't take away from one another's experiences.
We also discuss some important topics, such as expectations around "who has it worse" and break down the myth of how "difficult" it is to have Black hair.
This episode is in collaboration with The Mixed Up Podcast, which is hosted by the amazing Emma Slade Edmondson and Nicole Ocran.
Mixed Up Podcast https://www.instagram.com/mixedup.podcast Website: https://www.mixedup.co.uk/ Substack: https://mixeduppod.substack.com Pre-order Nicole and Emmas book The Half Of It: https://lnkfi.re/nf0upC
Episode 001: Lets talk about UK salon experiences for afro and curly hair
00:42:29
Episode Summary As a black woman with Type 4c hair, host, Paige Lewin, has experimented with every hairstyle, from wigs and weaves, to braids, bleach, and various different hair colours. Her hair care journey being so liberal, lead her to seek help, booking hair appointments across a wide spectrum of UK based hair salons. From local black hairdressers to mainstream global chains, Paige talks honestly, and candidly, about her experiences, and the impacts these moments in her life had on her psychologically growing up as a young black woman in Britain with curls, kinks, and coils on her scalp that were seen to be outliers to the standard.
In this episode we will debate - The impact of seeing straight hair as a beauty standard [10:08] - Chemical processing the hair of young women [11:09] - The issue with busy black hairdressers [18:40] - Psychological impact for black girls in white salons [27:46]
Important Moments - Why I decided to create Texture Talks [1:20] - Introduction to topic [5:40] - My first salon experience [9:27] - My experience with mainstream "white" salons [26:24] - How can we make a change [37:11] - Like and Subscribe, Rate and Review, Share on socials, Submit episode ideas! [40:11]
Resources mentioned in this episode: Texturizer vs Relaxer [13:40] - https://www.carmenwalkerhair.com/blog/relaxer-vs-texturizer#:~:text=A%20texturizer%20is%20a%20chemical,your%20natural%20curls%20and%20kinks. - https://www.byrdie.com/relaxers-vs-texturizers-for-black-hair-400367 - http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-texturizer-and-relaxer/
National Occupational Standards (NOS) changing regulations to cater for afro hair [37:08] - https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/afro-hair-beauty-regulation-update-b1876956.html - https://news.sky.com/story/hairdressers-to-learn-how-to-cut-and-style-afro-and-textured-hair-as-standard-12348328
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