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14 Jun 2024Can the FBI handle the load?00:35:38

Frank Figliuzzi talks with Jeff Stein about the Bureau’s dizzying challenges.

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LONG HAUL: Hunting the Highway Serial Killers

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16 Dec 2021Smashed Plots and Then Some01:02:04

This week: Jeff talks with former counterterrorism analyst at the CIA Aki Peritz about the largest counterterrorism investigation in history that foiled a truly wild terror plot; and Jeanne talks with Anna Puglisi, Senior Fellow at Georgetown's Center for Security and Emerging Technology, and Michael German, Fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice, about the unfair and unproductive targeting by the FBI of scholars in the United States with ties to China.


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23 Dec 2021Military Spies and Military Subversives01:05:53

Former DIA deputy director Doug Wise talks with Jeff Stein about the role of US military intelligence in Ukraine, and WRC-TV investigative reporter Scott MacFarlane updates Jeanne Meserve on the Jan. 6 probes. 

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02 Dec 2021Connecting All the Dots00:47:42

Hoover Institution cybersecurity expert Amy Zegart talks with Jeanne Meserve about the urgent need for US spy agencies to better exploit open source intelligence, and ‘Mindhunter’ coauthor Mark Olshaker discusses with Jeff Stein how two sex predators in the CIA got away with it.


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24 Jan 2025Is Chinese Intelligence Really Subverting TikTok?00:46:46

The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Jim Himes, tells  host Michael Isikoff there is "zero evidence" TikTok is providing data on Americans to Beijing, plus talks about the "really, really scary" Jan. 6 pardons and more. 

Congressman Jim Himes

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01 Nov 2024Jared Kushner's Saudi Gravy Train (with Rep. Jamie Raskin)00:37:58

Rep, Jamie Raskin tells SpyTalk why he wants DOJ to investigate whether Trump's son in law is serving as an unregistered agent of the Saudi government  due to the $2 billion he's gotten from the Saudi wealth fund, as well as another newly discovered $87 million in "management fees."  The feisty Maryland progressive also discusses his thoughts on the election and whether Trump is even eligible to serve as president under the 14th amendment. 

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October 24, 2024 The Honorable Merrick Garland Attorney General of the United States U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania

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20 Apr 2023Behind the Bust of China’s Brash New York Spy Base00:36:10

Former CIA and DoD Chinese espionage expert Nicholas Eftimiades talks with Jeff about Beijing’s newly aggressive covert campaigns against pro-democracy activists in the US.


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17 Nov 2023A Thriller in Ukraine00:34:13

The Washington Post’s Shane Harris joins Jeff to discuss his scoop on Ukraine’s murky op to sabotage the Nordstream-2 pipeline. 

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28 Oct 2021Conspiracies of Dunces00:45:51

Jeff Stein explores crazy coup plots and spy defectors in Venezuela with Latin America expert David Smilde, and Jeanne Meserve talks with ABC News investigative reporter James Meek about his disturbing new documentary about the deaths of Green Beret operatives in Niger.


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18 Oct 2024Would Trump Revive "Fire and Fury" for North Korea?00:47:02

As president, Trump was known for his "bromance" with North Korean dictator Kim Jung Un, holding two summits in Singapore and Hanoi and engaging in a "love letter" correspondence with him that he took with him to Mar-A-Lago after he left office. But before that, journalist Zach Dorfman reminds us, Trump came perilously close to unleashing a nuclear strike on the country--an attack that, then Secretary of Defense feared, would "incinerate a couple of million people." In a SpyTalk podcast, Dorfman also talks about how, under Trump's "maximum pressure" campaign on the country, the Pentagon and CIA updated ambitious-- and somewhat quixotic-- plans for regime change. Which Trump will guide U.S. policy should he return to the Oval Office: The peacenik who tried to engage Kim in diplomacy or the MAGA warrior who once threatened North Korea "with fire and fury" unlike the world has ever seen? As Dorfman points out, it's a pressing question given that, with North Korea's accelerated missile tests and a growing alliance with Vladimir Putin's Russia, including sending equipment and troops to Ukraine, some scholars believe the threat of a conflict on the Korean Peninsula is greater than it has been in years.  

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Inside the Trump Admin’s Secret Battle Plans for North Korea
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21 Jul 2022Trust and Theft00:42:33

John Taylor, co-author of The Psychology of Spies and Spying, tells Jeanne Meserve how important trust is in a profession that is all about treachery and deceit. August Cole of the Atlantic Council talks to Jeff Stein about China’s theft of military technology.


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13 Oct 2023THE CIA’S EXTRAORDINARY WOMEN00:41:00

Liza Mundy, author of “The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA,” is this week’s special guest.

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20 Jan 2023Are Spies Sociopaths?00:37:05

Former top CIA officer James Lawler says the manipulation practiced by agent handlers could be described as sociopathic. We talk about that and his latest thriller.

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14 Jul 2022Neo-Nazi Spy; Blindspots in Space00:52:49

The USA and China are in a new space race. Astrophysicist at Rhea Space Activity, Shawn Usman, talks about securing cislunar space with Jeanne Meserve.  

Leigh Baldwin co-wrote “Follow The Leader” in The Atavist which tells the tale of a German Neo-Nazi spy who worked for Putin. Jeff Stein talks with him about the piece.


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04 Aug 2022Getting the Bout00:35:14

With a possible prisoner swap in the offing, SpyTalk explores the suspected intelligence ties of Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout with Stephen Braun, co-author of Merchant of Death: Money, Guns, Planes, and the Man Who Makes War Possible.  Jeanne also talks with journalist Jill Dougherty, who met Bout face to face.


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30 Jun 2023CIA’s RUSSIA CHALLENGE00:40:19

Jeff talks with top former CIA Russia hand John Sipher about spy agency ops and Moscow’s leadership crisis.

 

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06 Dec 2024Why Kash Patel is the Most Dangerous Trump Nominee Yet00:48:57

Garret Graff, historian and journalist, explains why Trump's intention to install the fierce MAGA loyalist in charge of the U.S. government's premier law enforcement agency charged with thwarting terror attacks and protecting the nation's secrets endangers the bureau's mission for years to come. 

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14 Apr 2022Russian Killers, American Plotters00:56:45

Jeanne Meserve talks with retired Army Gen. Kevin Ryan about the Russian military’s chaos in Ukraine, while journalist Janet Reitman dissects the FBI’s mishaps in the Michigan Wolverine Watchmen trial with Jeff Stein.

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13 Sep 2024Inside Assad's Torture Chamber00:33:16

Sam Goodwin tells us about his harrowing ordeal as a prisoner in one of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad's torture chambers. It is an extraordinary story of a young American from St. Louis who embarked on a personal adventure to visit every country in the planet only to be ensnared when he made it into Syria by Assad's security forces, who threw him into one of their most notorious prisons as a suspected CIA spy. His account, told in his new book called Saving Sam, the true story of an American's disappearance in Syria and his family's extraordinary fight to bring him home, is a reminder of the still ongoing atrocities in Syria's 13 year long civil war.

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02 Jun 2022Afghanistan Relations; Domestic Terrorism00:51:15

Former President of the FBI Agents Association and retired FBI Special Agent, Tom O’Connor talks about the need for a domestic terrorism law in the United States. Also, political scientist at Rand, Andrew Radin discusses options the US has with future relations with Afghanistan. With Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve.

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13 Dec 2024How the Syrian Rebels Beat Assad00:37:45

Anti-Assad activist Mouaz Moustafa in Damascus tells Michael Isikoff how he got advance word about the rebel offensive that would topple the Assad regime—including the hidden hand that foreign intelligence agencies may have played in laying the groundwork—and how the regime’s secret files may shed new light on the relationship that DNI-designate Tulsi Gabbard had with the Assad regime. 

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11 Feb 2025Betrayal: Trump Justice Department’s War on the FBI00:54:01

Former top FBI counterterrorism agent Chris O’Leary tells host Michael Isikoff how Acting Deputy Attorney General Emil Bove was a diligent prosecutor of Jan. 6 rioters before he turned on his teammates at Trump's behest.

 

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13 Jan 2024Green Berets and Covert Ops00:30:03

Former Special Forces and CIA case officer James Stejskal chats with Jeff Stein about Berlin, Russia and more.

 

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03 Feb 2022Spy Wars Over Ukraine00:41:53

John Sipher, who once ran CIA operations against the Russians, talks about US options for dealing with an invasion of Ukraine, while Brian Murphy, a former top DHS intelligence official, deconstructs the Kremlin's disinformation campaign against us. With cohosts Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve.  


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02 Jun 2023The Forever Spies00:44:15

Jeff talks with Calder Walton, author of “Spies: The Epic Intelligence War Between East and West.”

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11 Nov 2021Assassins and Infiltrators00:40:11

JFK assassination expert Jefferson Morley discusses Joe Biden’s continued suppression of Kennedy assassination documents with Jeff Stein, and Jeanne Meserve talks with former FBI agent and homeland security official Erroll Southers about extremist inroads in police forces.


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18 Aug 2022Rage on the Right00:49:37

Expert analysis of the online and real life fallout from the Mar-a-Lago search with Heidi Beirich of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism. And Rita Katz of the SITE Intelligence Group tells Jeanne Meserve the internet has rewritten the terrorist playbook for both domestic extremists and jihadis. 


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03 Feb 2023YET ANOTHER SPY AGENCY SECURITY BREECH00:42:14

The McGonigal scandal is just another chapter in a pathetic history of outrageous security lapses at the FBI, CIA and NSA, says investigative reporter James Bamford, author of SPYFAIL: Foreign Spies, Moles, Saboteurs, and the Collapse of America’s Counterintelligence

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29 Nov 2024Is Putin's Russia a Terrorist State?00:41:17

SpyTalk's Michael Isikoff talks to Chris Costa, former chief of counter-terrorism at the NSC and now executive director of the International Spy Museum, about the mounting threat of Russian hybrid warfare-- including acts of sabotage, arson, assassination and cyber intrusions-- and whether it is time to designate Putin's Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. Costa also weighs in on President-elect Trump's pick of Tulsi Gabbard to be DNI and Sebastian Gorka as the new counter-terror chief at the NSC. 

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11 Aug 2022Eyes in the Sky and on the Ground00:33:53

How will a new Iranian spy satellite change dynamics in the Middle East? Jeanne Meserve discusses with Iran expert John Krzyzaniak of the Wisconsin Project for Nuclear Arms Control.  And Jill Dougherty, former CNN Moscow bureau chief, looks at how Russia's clampdown on information is impacting intelligence agencies.


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28 Mar 2025"There's not a day I do not think about those Americans" who died in Iraq01:01:07

Luis Rueda, once the director of the CIA's Iraq Operations Group, reflects with Michael on the many mistakes the U.S. government made during the war in Iraq-- and the fatal consequences. 

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26 Jul 2024HOW TO SPY00:44:08

Veteran CIA ops officer Jim Lawler talks about the tricks of the trade with host Jeff Stein.

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22 Sep 2023Can Anyone Stop Cyber Terrorism?00:32:47

This week Jeff talks cybersecurity with Michael Mestrovich, the former director of the CIA’s Technical Services Office; former Principal Deputy Chief Information Officer for the U.S. Department of State, and current Chief Information Security Officer at Rubrik.

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24 Mar 2022Jamming up the Russians00:56:34

Former Navy electronic warfare expert Bryan Clark talks about techniques the US can use to spoof Russian troops, and Adam M. Smith, who focused on sanctions in the Obama administration, details the challenges of separating oligarchs from their hidden stashes. With cohosts Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve.


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25 Feb 2023Intelligence Tricks, from Covert to Overt Covert Ops00:39:04

Political scientist, author, and senior aide to the chair of the Church Committee Loch Johnson joins Jeff to talk about oversight of intel agencies; the political weaponization of intel; and more.

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12 May 2022Revelations00:52:30

Newly declassified FBI and UK documents on Saudi intrigues in the 9/11 attacks are discussed by former FBI Supervisory Agent Mark Rossini, and reporter Haley Britzky talks about her exposé of brutal harassment at the Marine Corps Intelligence School. With Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve.

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10 Mar 2022Russia’s Dirty Tricks00:48:50

“Maverick strategist” Sean McFate, a former private mercenary, talks about the Ukraine deployment of Russia’s paramilitary Wagner Group, while ex-senior CIA ops officer Gregory Sims says US security officials should “expect the unexpected” not to be caught flat-footed by a cornered Vladimir Putin, including big “surprises" like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.


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31 Jan 2025A “Bonanza" of Spyware Abuses00:49:45

Ronald Deibert of Citizen Lab tells host Michael Isikoff how his research firm has uncovered the shocking abuse of commercial spyware by foreign governments and spy agencies around the world, resulting in a proliferation of "Watergate-like” scandals.

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25 Aug 2023Sex, Lies and Women at the CIA00:34:06

Jeff talks with CIA operations veteran Laura Thomas about the gains and losses for women at the spy agency.

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06 Oct 2023A Life in the Wilderness of Mirrors | CBS News’ David Martin reflects on 40 years covering national security00:36:07

This week, Jeff talks with award-winning journalist and groundbreaking author of “Wilderness of Mirrors,” National Security Correspondent for CBS, David Martin.

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17 Mar 2022Nuclear Risks and Putin's Quest for Glory00:42:36

Former CIA officer and former head of Department of Energy intelligence Rolf Mowatt-Larssen assesses the risks in Vladimir Putin's takeover of Ukraine's nuclear power stations in a conversation with Jeanne Meserve. And Lawrence Wilkerson, retired US Army Colonel and former chief of staff to General Colin Powell, tells Jeff Stein that this brutal war is Putin's attempt to secure a revered place in Russian history.


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26 Feb 2025The Ghosts of Munich00:40:28

Former US NATO envoy and Army General Doug Lute discusses JD Vance insults of allies, administration abandonment of Ukraine to Russia with SpyTalk podcast host Michael Isikoff.

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28 Jul 2023Oppenheimer’s Origin00:43:04

Jeff Stein talks with Kai Bird, co-author of “American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer.”

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12 Jul 2024Mafia Spies00:43:39

“Mafia Spies” is based on a 2019 book by the same name by veteran investigative reporter Thomas Maier, with the subtitle, “The Inside Story of the CIA, Gangsters, JFK, and Castro.” Which in turn was based largely on declassified files relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The TV series includes dramatic recreations of critical moments in the plots, lively, insightful commentary with longstanding experts on Cuba, Castro and the Kennedys, as well as on-camera interviews with a few, still living relatives and associates of the key gangsters in the conspiracies, Johnny Rosselli and Sam Giancana. 

The series sheds new light on the grisly demise of Giancana and Rosselli before they were able to spill all the beans about the demonic—and sometimes comic failures—of the Castro assassination efforts.

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01 Sep 2022DATA AND THE DRUG WAR00:34:02

Former DHS "border czar" @AlanBersin talks with @JeanneMeserve about how poor intelligence sharing is hampering the fight against transnational criminal organizations, and how new technologies could help conquer the problem. 


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24 Mar 2021Spy Talk - Trailer00:04:33

SpyTalk lives at the intersection of intelligence operations, foreign policy, homeland security and military strategy. Co-hosted by veteran national security journalist Jeff Stein and former star CNN homeland security correspondent Jeanne Meserve, the podcast will feature exclusives by SpyTalk’s roster of longtime reporters, news and profiles of US and foreign spymasters and interviews with policymakers and expert authors. There’s nothing quite like it—a place for experts and lay persons alike, who enjoy national security scoops and insights by SpyTalk's subject matter experts. Coming this Spring.


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22 Apr 2021A CIA Spy in Syria, and US Responses to Russian, Chinese and Other Adversary Hacking00:54:16

This week, in the debut edition of the SpyTalk podcast, co-host Jeff Stein talks to the Washington Post’s Joby Warrick about an extraordinary CIA operation in Syria, as told in his new book, Red Line. Jeff and co-host Jeanne Meserve also discuss the Biden administration’s recent expulsion of suspected Russian spies, then Jeanne talks with former NSA Director and Cyber Command chief Admiral Mike Rogers about Chinese, Russian and other hackers’ infiltration of U.S. computer networks.

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29 Apr 2021Fire and Ice00:57:03

In this week’s edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Jeff Stein goes deep on the CIA’s looming eviction from Afghanistan with Lisa Curtis, a longtime former CIA, State Department and White House National Security Council expert on the region. And then co-host Jeanne Meserve conducts a lively interview with a former senior CIA and NSA analyst, Alma Katsu, about her new, post-government-service thriller, Red Widow, which features a gutsy female spy heroine.

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05 May 2021Shots in the Dark00:55:54

Jeanne Meserve looks into the mysterious directed-energy attacks on officials in Washington with Mark Zaid, lawyer for CIA and State Department victims. Then Ronen Bergman, author of a groundbreaking book on Israeli assassination operations, talks with Jeff Stein about the effect of Mossad’s hits on Iran’s nuclear scientists and uranium facilities. Last but hardly least, Jeanne talks at length with technology venture capitalist Gilman Louie about his work with the CIA and the perils of losing the race on artificial intelligence to America’s adversaries.

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13 May 2021Crisis and Confusion01:00:52

In the fourth edition of the SpyTalk podcast, former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen talks with co-host Jeanne Meserve about combatting “psychological warfare” disinformation attacks from Russia, China, Iran and even Venezuela, and former top CIA analyst Mathew Burrows tells her that US intelligence is so busy coping with immediate threats they “can’t see the forest for the trees.” Leading off the show, Jeff Stein talks with Janis Shinwari, an Afghan interpreter for US intelligence units, who says thousands of his comrades are terrified about being left behind and murdered by the Taliban when US forces leave in September. 

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19 May 2021Has the CIA Lost Its Grip on the Middle East?00:33:14

CIA clandestine services veteran and longtime Middle East hand Marc Polymeropoulos tells Jeff Stein that the CIA no longer prizes regional expertise, instead opting for spy corps “generalists” who can be shifted from region to region. In this Special Edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Polymeropoulos laments the passing of Charlie Seidel, who he calls the CIA’s “last great Arabist.”

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19 May 2021Panetta’s Regret00:56:34

Former CIA Director and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was praised in a multitude of articles and broadcasts marking the 10th anniversary of the elimination of Osama Bin Laden earlier this month. But in an hour long interview with Jeff Stein, he described a major failing of US intelligence during his watch. Listen to it here. 



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26 May 2021Spies in the Soup00:57:02

Jean Meserve talks with former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Juliette Kayyem about the mess in DHS’ intelligence shop, and Jeff Stein interviews Barry Meier about his new book, “Spooked: The Trump Dossier, Black Cube, and the Rise of Private Spies.”

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02 Jun 2021The Gathering Storms00:51:16

Former top FBI domestic extremist specialist Tom O’Connor tells co-host Jeanne Meserve in a startling interview that he’s worried about another Timothy McVeigh plotting something big. And Jeff Stein talks with veteran intelligence reporter Bill Arkin about a vast Pentagon secret army combatting our enemies that no one’s heard about. 

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04 Jun 2021Cyber Counterpunch00:13:15

On this special edition of SpyTalk, co-host Jeanne Meserve speaks with William Evanina, former Director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center about the recent spate of ransomware attacks. Evanina says President Biden should threaten to pull out of the upcoming summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and that the US should demonstrate it is willing and able to shut down Russian infrastructure.

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09 Jun 2021That Was Then00:47:12

Chinese espionage poses a mortal threat to the US, former counterintelligence boss Bill Evanina tells Jeanne Meserve. And author Kai Bird talks with Jeff Stein about a clandestine plot with Iran by Reagan campaign manager and future CIA Director Bill Casey to deny Jimmy Carter re-election. 



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11 Jun 2021Meeting of the Minds00:22:27

Ahead of presidents Putin and Biden meeting in Geneva, a psychiatrist puts the leader of Russia on the couch. Dr. Kenneth Dekleva, who served in the US embassy in Moscow, joins co-host Jeanne Meserve for a special edition of SpyTalk.

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16 Jun 2021‘Everybody knows somebody’00:39:07

Terrorism expert Gina Ligon tells Jeanne Meserve that the Biden administration’s initiative on domestic extremism represents a ‘sea change’ in policy but doesn’t address the root causes of populist violence. Israeli counterterrorism dramas do, an American ex-pat writer in Jerusalem tells Jeff Stein, because so many involved have served in spy units.

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24 Jun 2021Cold War Capers00:31:19

Yes, there’s a real James Bond, and Jeanne Meserve chatted him up on the curses and blessings of having such a legendary moniker. And historian Audra Wolfe talks with Jeff Stein about the role of American scientists in the Cold War and beyond.

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01 Jul 2021Spies that Bind00:54:35

Nicholas Eftimiades, a top expert on Chinese espionage, tells Jeff Stein he doubts reports that Beijing’s top counterspy defected to the US—but that Beijing has “many” moles in U.S/ intelligence. And Jeanne Meserve talks with top former FBI national security official Jay Tabb about the challenges of dealing with home-grown American terrorists.

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07 Jul 2021Enemies Within and Without00:45:04

Former senior CIA officer Doug London talks with Jeff Stein about the present and future intelligence picture in chaotic Afghanistan. And Jeanne Meserve has a fascinating talk with former top DHS intel official and retired Brigadier General Francis X. Taylor about dealing with violent extremists in the military ranks. 



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15 Jul 2021Battling on All Fronts00:54:16

Former CIA counterintelligence chief James Olson tells Jeff Stein the CIA and FBI need to “resuscitate” double agent ops to penetrate enemy spy services, and Jeanne Meserve talks with former senior U.S. cybercrime official Chris Painter about the rash of ransomware attacks by REvil and other Russia-based malefactors.

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22 Jul 2021Families of Spies00:49:24

A father & daughter have a monster TikTok hit talkIng about his intelligence career. Former CIA analyst Frank Snepp describes the heartbreak of Saigon and the agony of Kabul. And “Spooked” author Barry Meier addresses the NSO-Pegasus surveillance scandal.

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29 Jul 2021Going Deep00:49:26

The FBI is still coming up short on dealing with white violent extremists, former undercover special agent Mike German tells Jeff Stein. And Jeanne Meserve delves into a little known DIA medical intelligence unit.



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05 Aug 2021Spies vs. Spies00:39:59

An expert on Congressional probes tells Jeff Stein why investigators on the House Select Committee on Jan. 5 have to develop confidential sources deep inside DHS, DoD and the FBI. And retired Marine Corps Gen. Greg Newbold tells Jeanne Meserve that China's control of precious metals is a threat to US intelligence. 



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12 Aug 2021SPYING ON MISSILES00:41:57

Jeanne Meserve talks with Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, about how the world learned of China’s startling new ICBM silos, and Jeff Stein talks with Asia expert Robert Manning about the challenges of spying on North Korea.

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17 Aug 2021Ali Soufan on the Taliban’s Global Plans00:25:44

The celebrated former FBI special agent and counterterrorism specialist says the Taliban aspire to undermining the West’s “Roman Empire.”

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19 Aug 2021Implications for the Kabul Catastrophe00:50:46

Counterterrorism expert and Georgetown University Professor, Bruce Hoffman explains the drastic implications of the Taliban triumph, and journalist Toby Harnden talks about his new book on the first CIA team to enter Afghanistan. 

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26 Aug 2021The Human Factor00:46:15

Top former CIA operations official William Murray talks with Jeanne Meserve about the loss of the agency's spy base in Kabul, while Africa expert Jacob Zenn assesses the impact of the Taliban-Al Qaeda triumph on militants across the continent, with Jeff Stein.

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02 Sep 2021Kabul’s loss and a new 9/11 terror warning00:56:12

Author Craig Whitlock talks with Jeff Stein about US intelligence’s place in 20 years of lies and deception in Afghanistan, and Jeanne Meserve interviews Coast Guard Commandant Karl Schultz about a terror alert for the 9/11 anniversary.

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09 Sep 2021The Man Who Loved Spying00:39:57

In a riveting new memoir, former senior CIA officer Doug London celebrates a career in espionage, but in a lengthy conversation with host Jeff Stein, he offer candid, even brutal observations on how 20 years of counterterrorism warped the agency’s priorities and managers.

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16 Sep 2021Girding for New and Old Threats00:56:50

Extremism expert Kathleen Belew talks with Jeanne Meserve about new factors raising the potential for violence at Sept.18 Capitol protests, while former senior CIA ops official Dan Hoffman tells Jeff Stein that the Kabul collapse has given Al Qaeda and ISIS new life.  

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23 Sep 2021Accidents Will Happen00:40:05

Chinese espionage expert Matthew Brazil and Jeff Stein break down the controversy about Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley’s backchannel contact with his Chinese counterpart, and Jeanne Meserve and transnational crime expert Tom Sanderson discuss the emergence of Talibani Afghanistan as a terrorist state. 

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30 Sep 2021Head Case00:55:40

From Vietnam to Vienna, reported cases of Havana Syndrome are on the rise. Diplomats, intelligence officials and their families are experiencing debilitating symptoms including headaches, dizziness, nausea and memory loss. Dr. James Giordano, Professor of Neurology and Biochemistry at Georgetown University Medical Center, has been investigating Havana Syndrome since the first cases were reported and discusses what we know, and what we still need to learn, with Jeanne Meserve. 

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07 Oct 2021For Your Eyes Only00:41:43

Legendary ‘Condor’ author James Grady discusses James Bond’s evolving cinematic villains with Jeff Stein, and Jeanne Meserve digs into the massive hack of a far-right server with extremist expert Heidi Beirich.

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14 Oct 2021The Peanut Butter Spies, CIA’s China Initiative & Secret Service Burnout00:52:10

Washington Post intelligence reporter Shane Harris discusses odd happenings in the spook world with Jeff Stein, and former Secret Service Special Agent Jonathan Wackrow analyses a new report on tanking morale in the uniformed division with Jeanne Meserve.

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21 Oct 2021Spy World Frenemies00:44:24

Mossad’s got a killer new boss and the US is buying China-made drones. Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve drill down on both.

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15 Nov 2024Matt Gaetz and Trump's Deep State Revenge00:52:41

National Security lawyer Mark Zaid discusses Trump's stunning selection as Florida congressman Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General and what it might mean for his plans to target "corrupt actors" in U.S. intelligence and national security agencies who crossed him in the Russia probe.

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21 Mar 2025A Former CIA Spy Catcher Weighs Trump’s Russia Turn00:38:39

Sue Miller not only headed CIA Counterintelligence, among other high positions during her 39-year career. She oversaw the agency's controversial assessment of Russian interference in the 2016 election. And she thinks Trump’s pro-Russia moves should be an ongoing counterintelligence concern. 
 


 

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27 Sep 2024A Spy’s Life in Congress00:26:59

Can a good spy become a good politician? I mean, not as an undercover agent—spy agencies are pretty good at that—but in an overt way, in, say, the messy US Congress.

Or, put another way, can the skills that a CIA officer employs in clandestine operations—gregariousness, empathy and, let’s face it, a learned talent for manipulating people, be put to good use in a place like a deeply polarized Congress?

This week I’m putting those questions to Abigail Spanberger, a former member of the CIA’s clandestine service, who in 2018 won a seat in Congress from Virginia as a Democrat, breaking, by the way, a nearly 40-year long Republican chokehold on a sprawling district in the near and far suburbs Washington, DC.  Since then Spanberger has developed a strong reputation for working across the aisle with Republicans on bills that help constituents. And now she’s running for governor of Virginia with no primary opposition.

 

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30 Dec 2021Possible Incursions and Future Insurrections00:46:34

This week: Jeff Stein talks with contributing editor for Spytalk Jonathan Broder about Russia, Ukraine, NATO, and the United States; retired Major General Paul Eaton talks with Jeanne Meserve about the growing problem of members of the US military believing the Big Lie.


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06 Sep 2024Another China Spying Shocker00:35:46

Over a period of roughly 14 years, according to the feds, Linda Sun rose through the ranks to become deputy chief of staff to Governor Hochul, before she was fired for unspecified reasons and became a target of federal investigators. But according to the DoJ, the 41-year-old was secretly using her position to advance Chinese political and business interests and steal relevant documents. In return, the feds say, Beijing’s spy service showered the couple with millions of dollars that afforded them lavish homes, a Ferrari Roma sports car, and—people had fun with this—special salted duck dishes prepared by a Chinese Embassy chef. In court on Tuesday the couple entered not guilty pleas to charges of acting as unregistered foreign agents.

One person who is absolutely not surprised by all this is Nicholas Eftimiades who became a leading expert on Chinese espionage over his 34-year government career, which included work for the CIA, the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and as a Senior Intelligence Officer in the Defense Intelligence Agency. Today he teaches at Penn State and is a Senior Fellow at the Atlantic Council's Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security. He is also the author of “Chinese Intelligence Operations,” which will soon be reissued with an update. 

China’s MSS spy agency, of course, couldn’t care less about which party, or level of US government, it infiltrates. Its goal is to weaken the United States by any means necessary.

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13 Jul 2023CIA-CHINA SPY WARS: Real and Imagined00:32:12

David Ignatius talks about his new thriller “The Tao of Deception.”

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18 Apr 2025The CIA, Iran and a Conspiracy of Silence00:52:40

Doug Waller talks with Michael Isikoff about his new biography of CIA master spook Frank Wisner, quarterback of the 1953 Iran coup—and so much more.

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16 Aug 2024Another 9/11-Style Attack in the Works?00:33:17

SOMEWHERE IN THE REMOTE MOUNTAINS of Pakistan’s southwest province of Balochistan, a shadowy, 29-year-old veteran of the Afghan Army is believed to be holed up, keenly conscious that the U.S. government has placed a $10 million bounty on his head.

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17 May 2023The Senator Who Roped the CIA00:45:42

Journalist James Risen speaks with Jeff Stein about his new book on Sen. Frank Church’s unprecedented investigation of CIA misdeeds, from assassination plots to LSD mind-control experiments to spying on Americans. 


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25 Aug 2022The Threat Matrix00:37:52

In the aftermath of the Salman Rushdie attack Colin Clarke of the Soufan Group gives his assessment of Iran's capability to strike within the US. Jeanne Meserve also talks with FBI veteran J.J. Klaver about the impact ongoing attacks may be having on the bureau and its work.

 


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26 Feb 2024Russia, Russia, Russia00:20:41

Former top CIA ops official Dan Hoffman talks with Jeff about options on Putin.

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29 Dec 2023The CIA in 202400:42:20

Former senior CIA officer Glenn Corn talks with Jeff Stein about the agency’s new generation and its challenges in the Middle East, Russia, and Ukraine in 2024.

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03 May 2024The Man Who Gets the Secrets00:38:08

Jason Leopold, a senior reporter with Bloomberg News, has literally been getting under the skin of government bureaucracies for decades. His weapon: The Freedom of Information Act, enacted by Congress in the mid-1960s because the feds, well, had an insidious propensity to bury embarrassing, or even illegal, acts under layers of official secrecy. Over the years the law has been strengthened—not that it’s stopped the government from continuing its bad behavior. 

That’s where Leopold, a multiple prize winning, much admired, relentless digger, comes in. The 55-year-old journalist is a legend for forcing the government to release explosive documents ranging from Hillary Clinton’s secret email server to CIA torture procedures to Donald Trump’s misrouting, should we say, of highly classified documents from the White House to Mar-a-Lago. For his efforts, the FBI labeled him an “FOIA terrorist,” a moniker he cheerfully welcomes.

May 1st marked the seventh anniversary of his most favorite FOIA triumph, the release of details on a threatening telephone call a person imitating a Mafia thug—all but certainly Trump—made to a lawyer representing investors going after Trump after the failure of his Atlantic City casino. It seemed like a good day to ring Jason up.

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11 Oct 2024WAR GAME’s Chilling Scenario for the Next Jan 600:32:41

The filmed game’s organizer Janessa Goldbeck joins host Jeff Stein to discuss the jarring results of the all-too-real exercise .

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03 Oct 2024How Will Israel Strike Back?00:37:52

Former FBI analyst and Hezbollah expert Matt Levitt says an attack on Iranian intelligence facilities - rather than nuclear sites- may be coming.

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28 Jan 2024Red Cell Study on China Rise00:38:56

Former CIA officials Kristin Wood and Martin Petersen built a Red Cell project on The Cipher Brief to challenge experts to explore how China came to supplant the US by 2041.


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27 Oct 2023Target Moscow00:32:48

CIA Russia Hand John Sipher discusses spying and sabotage ops against Vladimir Putin.

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20 Dec 2024What’s Up for Trump’s FBI?00:46:36

Top former FBI counterspy executive and NYC Terrorism Task Force honcho Lauren Anderson addresses the looming uncertainty over “Day One,” January 20, with SpyTalk host Jeff Stein 

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23 Aug 2024Kabul Calamity Consequences00:47:31

Washington Post investigative reporter Craig Whitlock, author of “The Afghanistan Papers,” is Jeff Stein’s guest on the sad anniversary of the chaotic retreat. 

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14 Sep 2023A CIA EPITAPH ON 9/1100:31:26

Jeff talks with retired former CIA Al Qaeda expert Cindy Storer

 

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09 Feb 2024The Taylor Swift Infowar Tutorial00:40:04

Former US Army “influence ops” specialist Paul Cobaugh talks with Jeff about combatting conspiracy mongering. 

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31 Aug 2024Former US Envoy to Russia on Ukraine’s Bleak Future00:51:10

John Sullivan, the former U.S. ambassador to Moscow under Presidents Trump and Biden, worries that the Ukraine war could go on for "decades" and offers some candid views on his dealings with Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

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08 Jul 2022Shape Changes: Right-Wing Extremists and the US-Russia Cold War (originally aired 1/6/2022)00:54:22

Originally released on January 6, 2022

This week: Jeanne Meserve talks with the Atlantic Council’s Jared Holt about the evolving face of right-wing extremism. Joe Weisberg, creator of the hit spy drama “The Americans,” defends his argument on ending the Cold War with Russia with Jeff Stein.


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