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02 Mar 20231. Why is being a mother-physician embarassing with Dr. Susan McIlvaine00:37:59

"Culture change is really hard, but changing the culture in medicine and other industries to make it sort of normalized for the non-birth partner to take just as much time to sort of set the stage for a 50/50 partnership when it comes to the logistics of raising a child, which are substantial"

In our first episode I got to sit down and talk with my friend Dr. Susan McIlvaine who had her daughter when she was in her second year of cardiology fellow. Susan got pregnant during our chief year together at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center so I knew some of her story, but learned so much more when we recorded this interview. So join me in hearing all about Susan's:
- Perfect plans for how and when to get pregnant (spoiler alert - that didn't work)
- Miscarriage while at work
- Challenges coming back from parental leave
- Thoughts on what we can (and should) do better

Follow Susan:
- https://twitter.com/McilvaineSusan

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- https://twitter.com/Ali_Trainor
- https://twitter.com/MomsOfMedicine

16 Mar 20232. Wondering if I'd get there quicker if I was a man with Dr. Wendy Stead00:40:21

"I spent too long thinking that because the system was a certain way, that that was the right way for it to be, and I think it took me a really long time to have the perspective to look and see how diseased our entire system really is, and to think of it in terms of how if we were to design a system by which to train physicians today…for training a group of competent, kind, compassionate, knowledgeable, diverse physicians, we would never design the system that’s been designed"

"Yes, everyone should get negotiation skills training, but wouldn’t it be really unique if we just created systems that treated everybody fairly to begin with and we didn’t make people fight for resources and equitable compensation?"

"Not only are parental leave policies abysmally short and inappropriate for the birth parent…but they are also woefully inadequate for the non-birth parent as well…it creates this dynamic right from the time of a child’s birth that you are basically saying, culture, society, is saying that there is one parent that is more important in the care of a child than another parent, and in some ways we never recover from that.”

Follow Wendy Stead:
- Twitter

Links to some of Wendy's work:
- "Wondering If I’d Get There Quicker If I Was a Man: Factors Contributing to Delayed Academic Advancement of Women in Infectious Diseases"
- "One Person" - JAMA A Piece of My Mind
- "It's Not Your Fault" - JAMA A Piece of My Mind
- "An Essential Worker's List of Pandemic Chores for the Kids"

Follow Ali:
 - Twitter (personal account)
- Twitter (podcast account)

30 Mar 20233. Having kids in medical school with Dr. Laura DesRochers00:36:41

"We have this whole other life outside of the hospital where we may or may not identify as being a physician, and either way I think that's ok. Some people feel like medicine is their calling and they're a doctor at home and a doctor at work. And there are other people who are like I love being a physician and I'm a physician at work but I'm a mom at home and I'm a friend and I'm another person. Maybe we just focus on the physician part, and we have been forced to confront mental healh=th but we really haven't had to confront this idea of having a family in residency in the same way."

In this episode we talk about:
-Having kids in medical school
-Taking leave from medical school after her first child and having to describe how she spent this time while on residency interviews
-The perception that taking time off means you aren't dedicated or it will set you back
-The isolation of being a parent
-Figuring out how to make pumping work when she was told that previously residents hadn't been successful at pumping
-Seeking out advice from various sources
-Being helped out by her colleagues and paying it forward

Follow Laura:
- Twitter

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- Twitter (personal account)
- Twitter (podcast account)


13 Apr 20234. Single parenthood and egg freezing with Dr. Lika Targan00:44:54

"You end up finding yourself in this bubble of work, and childcare and survival mode, and I think a lot of us tend to feel alone when our focus is so narrow and our focus is on the work and on our child and it can feel very isolating, and it can feel like we're the only one going through the situation, not recognizing that it is so common and all new moms feel this way."

Today's conversation is with Dr. Lika Targan, a primary care physician and medical educator at BIDMC. 

We talk about:
- Balancing work and home life
- Going through a divorce
- Being a single mom
- Egg freezing - logistics and the emotional and physical toll
- Being forgiving of yourself when you can't give 110%


27 Apr 20235. Internship baby in the 1980s - what's better and what still needs improvement with Dr. Deborah Gomez Kwolek00:47:52

"The big bottom line, ok, this is the big bottom line - young moms and women in general we are so self critcal and we are so down on ourselves, and I could practically cry just thinking about this because it's so unneeeded. We're as smart as the guys, we're as committed as they are, we probably work harder in certain ways. Women do a lot of unpaid work. And so we have no reason to feel bad about ourselves, but I know when I was a young mom, you're so insecure. What happens though, I think when you get around 35 or 40, you're just like "who cares what people think". You can't even worry about that. As long as you're comfortable, your partner, your conscience, your family, that's what matters."

In this episode Dr. Deborah Gomez Kwolek shares her experience with:
- Having a baby during her intern year in 1987 and how she barely survived that year
- Having to take time away from residency training when she had her 2 first kids
- Sharing a residency spot with another woman who had a baby in residency (she needed to heavily advocate for herself to make this happen)
- Going on to have 7 children
- Taking several years away from medicine midway through her career, and then coming back
- Supporting young moms now that she is more senior

Join the SGIM Women and Medicine Commission's workgroup on parenting

"Pregnancy and Residency- Overdue for Equity" published in NEJM March 11, 2023

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- Twitter 

11 May 20236. Choosing your mosaic tiles with Dr. Daniele Olveczky00:42:56

"It has been just the absolute joy and privilege of my life to see how institutions can change and how we can change the institutions that we love...that we are not just here to put the stethoscope on the chest of a patient. We are here to change the future of medicine"

In this conversation with Dr. Daniele Olveczky we talk:
- C-sections and complications
- Going back to work 6 weeks after her baby was born
- Why she chooses to be a nocturnist
- What it means to be in charge of your own mosaic
- What drives her to stay in academic medicine

Follow Daniele:
- Twitter
- Instagram

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- Twitter 

25 May 20237. Premature babies, partner roles, and pump supplies with Dr. Ritika Parris00:53:51

This week I'm joined by Dr. Ritika Parris who is a primary care physician and head of GME wellness at BIDMC in Boston. We cover so much in this coversation from having her two babies prematurely, navigating roles and jobs with her partner who is also a physician, the mentors she had looking out for her along the way, and what she had to do when she was working an overnight in a community hospital without a maternity ward and she forgot her pump supples.

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- Twitter

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- Twitter 

08 Jun 20238. Pivoting from researcher to academic clinician with Dr. Angie Frank00:28:53

"What do you want to do with your life, you know? I mean what are you really happy doing and is it worth doing something that you don't love every single morning."


On this week's episode I talk with Dr. Angie Frank about how she decided she didn't want to do research anymore and what it looked like to make that change, discovering that it is possible to be an academic clinician, how she feels about promotion, and having the freedom to do what you want to do,

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Email:
momsofmedicine@gmail.com

22 Jun 20239. Congenital cancer with Dr. Kashi Goyal00:44:54

"I just felt like, in that moment, I can't move forward in being a physician. Because you know to be honest I was fixated on her mortality, and I really thought I can't exist in my old life, you know, after this."

On this week's episode I talk with Dr. Kashi Goyal, a pulmonary and critical care fellow at Ohio State University, about her experience having her daughter Anika who was born with a congenital rhabdomyosarcoma. We talk about wanting to quit medicine, her decision to go back, what it was like being a trainee having a daughter at home who was going through chemotherapy, how the COVID19 pandemic made things even more challenging and complicated, and how today she and her family are thriving and profoundly happy. 

06 Jul 202310. 1st OBGYN guest! Dr. Celeste Royce00:46:42

"Our lives are different than men in medicine in so many ways, and it has to do with being female and all of the reproductive burden that is put on us because of that."

We talk about:
- Having a baby as the only female physician in a private practice
- Feeling ostracized
- The challenges of treating pregnant women while pregnant
- Her husband choosing to stay home to raise the kids
- Having adult children go through illness

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- Twitter
- Instagram

Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Follow Ali:
- Twitter 

01 Sep 202311. Adoption and Global Health with Dr. Beth Riviello00:42:28

"I remember so distinctly we were in Rwanda, I came back from a run, and my husband was like sitting on the chair looking shell shocked, and he said 'uhh you need to read this email'. And it was an email that said 159 children have been released from The Congo and yours is one of them. Please come get him"

This episode's conversation is with Dr. Beth Riviello, a pulmonary and critical care physician at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

We talk about:
- The decision to adopt
- International and domestic adoption experiences
- How different her two adoptions were
- Having a career in globale health
- The moment she met her sons and felt like their mom
- The ongoing bonding process
- Advocating for fair leave for adoptive and non-birth parents
- Having a quarterly check-in with herself
- Making time to pray and run
And so much more!

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Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Follow Ali:
- Twitter 

28 Sep 202312. Ambivalence about having children, parenting in COVID, and the perks of going part-time with Dr. Huma Farid00:46:39

"I had a lot of ambivalence around being a mother and I think looking back on why it was all justified, and part of it is that particularly as working women we are expecetd to work as though we don't have children and parent as though we don't have jobs, and I just felt like I don't know if i want to do this. I dont know if i can be the type of mom I want to be but also be the type of physician I want to be and I still have those doubts in my mind"

This episode is with Dr. Huma Farid, an OBGYN at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

We talk about:
- Not wanting to have kids and changing her mind
- Having a 5 week maternity leave as an OBGYN chief resident
- Parenting through the pandemic with a husband who is also a physician
- Choosing to go part-time
and so much more!

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- Twitter
- Instagram

Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Follow Ali:
- Twitter 

01 Feb 202413. Orthopedic Surgery Residency Baby with Dr. Eileen Colliton00:52:03

"I think I put that pressure on myself kind of to begin with that I just wanted to prove to everyone that I could be a pregnant resident and still function like a normal non-pregnant resident... I was taking primary call every third day up until 36 weeks so that was definitely challening as time went on. Like doing reductions with a big pregnant belly is not the easiest thing in the world. And everyone in the room is like "you're going to reduce my hip?" And you're like "Yes, I am going to reduce your hip".

This episode is with Dr. Eileen Colliton, an orthopedic surgeon completing her hand fellowship at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center

We talk about:
- Not wanting to have kids and changing her mind
- Having a 5 week maternity leave as an OBGYN chief resident
- Parenting through the pandemic with a husband who is also a physician
- Choosing to go part-time
and so much more!

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- Instagram

Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Follow Ali:
- Twitter 

15 Feb 202414. Primary care physician Dr. Gila Kriegel00:41:56

"Studying burnout has showed us that having control over your job, over your work life, is such an important component of being satisified, of not being burned out, that it makes me sad for women like you and women now giving birth and trying to find balance, in particular in primary care. I think there are just more and more barriers to it unfortunately."

This episode is with Dr. Gila Kriegel, a primary care doctor at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

We talk about:
- Part-time work
- The underground mother's club
- Having a spouse in medicine
- Having twins
and so much more!

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- Twitter
- Instagram

Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Follow Ali:
- Twitter 

29 Feb 202415. Late pregnancy loss and long distance parenting with Dr. Liliana Camison00:54:11

"Within the span of an hour and a half our lives had gone from I'll be back in 90 minutes to go in and do my surgeries and move on, to we're having a girl let's celebrate, and then we're holding hands just with our hearts in our throat"

This episode is with Dr. Liliana Camison, a plastic surgeon and craniofacial surgery fellow at NYU

We talk about:
- Late pregnancy loss and deciding on termination
- Having her rainbow baby
- Fellowhsip interviews with an 8 week old baby and her mom in tow
- She and her husband making the decision to do a year apart so that she could do fellowship
- Living in NYC with her parents and her baby while her husband lives in Pittsburgh
and so much more!

Follow Liliana:
-instagram @lilianacamison

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- Instagram

Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

14 Mar 202416. Twins in GI Fellowship with Dr. Gila Hoffman00:37:28

"Just before I turned 34 weeks I was doing my fellows clinic from my hospital room. I had a sign on the door like 'Do Not Disturb, I'm in clinic', and they were like we have to get your vitals at some point during this. So they came and took my blood pressure and it was like 170/100. The resident was pushing IV labetalol while I was precepting with my attending, and finally I was just like 'Ok, I think I'm done with clinic'. I had a few more patients left in the day and I was just like 'I'm done. I can't do this'."

This episode is with Dr. Gila Hoffman, a gastroenterologist in St. Louis who specializes in inflammatory bowel disease.

We talk about:
- Finding out she was having twins
- Doing telehealth fellows clinic from her hospital bed
- Having a miscarriage in residency
- Missing out on the beginning of GI fellowship on maternity leave and having to catch up
- The differences between having a baby as a fellow vs an attending

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- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

28 Mar 202417. Fibroids and heme/onc fellowship with Dr. Mwanasha Merrill00:39:00

"After week 17 I think, I was worried about him. I knew that with my fibroids I would have pain. I was like it will be worse than what I had with my periods, but, well I can handle pain. I didn't factor in the emotional aspect of that. Like worrying about losing someone. So that to me was the hardest part."

This episode is with Dr. Mwanasha Merril, a hematology and oncology fellow at Dana Farber Cancer Institute

We talk about:
- Having fibroids and how that impacted her pregnancy
- The challenge of having significant pain in her pregnancy and how that impacted her personally as well as her fellowship training
- Bringing her baby to meet her family in Malawi
- What life looks like for her now as she finishes up fellowship with a 13 month old baby

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Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

11 Apr 202418. Forging your own path with Dr. Marci Snodgrass00:37:34

"I was super present with my kids when I was home. I didn't pull out phones, there weren't cell phones way back then that were so distracting. I would try not to be on the computer and making phone calls and things like that. I remember it that way of just being as present as possible. My kids still remember I was getting up at 6 in the morning and making them pancakes before they had to go to school and I had to go to work. So I really sacrificed sleep a lot because when they went to bed I would get the computer back out and do what needed to be done."

This episode is with Dr. Marci Snodgrass, who did medicine as a second career, worked as a full time family medicine physician in Davis, CA , and now works part-time for an FQHC.

- Going to medical school while in her 30s and her motivation behind doing so
- Being 8 months pregnant while interviewing for medical school
- Working as a family physician on call 24/7 for her OB patients
- Her current part-time role where she covers inboxes for people who are away, and how this setup allows her to travel along with her daughter's job to help care for her granddaughter
- What her one regret is
- Her reflections on how she raised two successful kids while being dedicated to her job
- Her adult kids' reflections on having a busy mom physician
- Words of wisdom for how to be an amazing mom and exceptional physician

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Contact:
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

25 Apr 202419. Humanism and Making Time in the Margins with Dr. Laura Vater00:52:19





This episode is with Dr. Laura Vater, a GI oncologist in Indiana who focuses her non-clinical time on humanism, writing and well-being

We talk about:
- Writing her first novel and working on getting it published
- Having her daughter in medical school
- Breastfeeding her daughter for 2.5 years while being an internal medicine resident
- The inspiration and motivation behind creating the life support community to support people in medicine
- Her family's decision to have her husband quit his job and be home full time
- Her presence on social media and what it means to her
- How she creates habits to incorporate wellbeing into her life
- Choosing the buckets of what matters to you
- Knowing when to say yes, no, or later
- Prioritizing time with her family in the summer 


Connect with Laura Vater:
- Life Support Community: patreon.com/DocLauraVater
- Instagram @doclauravater

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

09 May 202420. Achieving the most joy out of life with Dr. Polly van den Berg00:42:55

This episode is with Dr. Polly van den Berg, an Infectious Disease physician in Philadelphia.

We talk about:
- Timing of having a child in the context of her husband's brain cancer diagnosis
- Post-partum anxiety
- and so much more!

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

23 May 202421. Dermatologist and entrepreneur Dr. Fatima Fahs00:52:48

"I came to this point where I am like 6 months post partum at this point. So I've gone back to work, you know was in the swing of things, was working at that point 3 sometimes 4 days per week and I just was not happy in either situation. I wasn't fully happy at home and I wasn't fully happy at work and I told my employer 'I love you guys and I love it here but I just think I need to step away' and they were all like 'What are you gonna do?' And that was the first time in my life where I had no plan and it was terrifying."

This episode is with Dr. Fatima Fahs, a dermatologist in Michigan who also runs a subscription box company called DermyDocBox. We discuss:

- Having kids at all stages of medical training
- The motivation behind starting her company and then actually doing it
- The idea that if you are capable of getting through medical training you are capable of anything
- Her "crash and burn moment"
- Deciding to step away from medicine for a time without a plan
- What she's up to now

Follow Fatima on social media:
@dermy_doctor
@dermydocbox

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com


06 Jun 202422. Advocacy, COVID pregnancy, identity shift, and career choices with Dr. Alli Letica00:40:45

"Having any sort of mental or physical health problem doing this job makes it almost impossible...it makes you realize you don't know what other people are going through and I think it reminds us to give everyone some grace."

This episode is with Dr. Alli Letica, a general surgery resident at Massachusetts General Hospital. We discuss:

- Being furloughed during the COVID pandemic while she was pregnant
- Writing an article advocating for normalizing childbearing during surgical training
- Recovering physically from pregnancy and childbirth while getting back to doing surgery
- Her identity shift with becoming a mom
- How she made changes to her career choices after becoming a mom and how she views that

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

20 Jun 202423. Dr. Mona Amin of PedsDocTalk on postpartum complications, breastfeeding, starting her business, and more!00:57:00

"I know how hard it is. I know that parenting is hard. I know that life is hard, but I do believe that we have to look for the glimmers and look for the hope and look for the joy and celebrate those things, at the same time not denying the negative but understanding that those negatives will always exist in our world."

This episode is with Dr. Mona Amin, a board certified pediatrician and IBCLC and host of the pedsdoctalk podcast

in  We discuss:

- Her traumatic births with her two children
- Having the same rare postpartum complication twice
- Her experience feeding her two children and how this inspired her to become an International Board Certified Lactation Consultant (formula for one baby and exclusive pumping for the other)
- Her inspiration behind starting her pedsdoctalk instagram account, blog and podcast
- and so much more!

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Dr. Mona Amin:
-  Podcast
- Website
- @pedsdoctalk on instagram

18 Jul 202425. Wellness Coach and Ophthalmologist Dr. Shanika Esparaz on her experience with burnout and coaching women in healthcare to live their best lives00:56:17

"It sounds easy but it's really hard when you've worked this hard to be a physician to say 'oh I'm gonna do a little less'. What I've realized is that myself and I think maybe some listeners out there might resonate with, we often feel like our productivity and our value to society is based on how many procedures we do, patients we see, hours we put in. Usually I would be the first one there and the last one to leave and you know we wear it kind of as a badge of honor, but over time that narrative in our head can really lead to burnout."


This episode is with Dr. Shanika Esparaz, a board certified ophthalmologist and welness coach for women in healthcare.

In the first half of the episode we discuss Shani's personal experiences:
- Her experience with burnout and the unexpected ways it showed up for her
- The pivotal moment where her daughter was injured in the care of their nanny and how this made her re-evaluate everything
- Her experience getting a coah (it was great!) and how this inspired her to become a coach herself
- Getting a coach and then became a coach herself

In the second half of the episode (starting at 25:00), Shani puts her coaching hat on and gives some invaluable advice for those of you who may struggle with any of the following:
- Recognizing burnout in yourself
- Realizing you may be burnt out but being frustrated by the fact that it's your work environment that's the problem and not you
- Feeling like taking care of yourself is just one more thing to add to your plate that you don't have time for
- The factors to consider when thinking of switching to part time
- Getting started journaling (can be so quick but so beneficial!)
- Detaching your worth from things outside of yourself like productivity, promotions, etc.
- Performing a time audit
- and so much more!

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Dr. Shanika Esparaz:
- Website
- Doctorgoals podcast episode on setting up a direct care practice 
- @shani_esparazmd on instagram


04 Jul 202424. Rewind: Internship baby in the 1980s with Deborah Kwolek00:46:55

"The big bottom line, ok, this is the big bottom line - young moms and women in general we are so self critical and we are so down on ourselves, and I could practically cry just thinking about this because it's so unneeeded. We're as smart as the guys, we're as committed as they are, we probably work harder in certain ways. Women do a lot of unpaid work. And so we have no reason to feel bad about ourselves, but I know when I was a young mom, you're so insecure. What happens though, I think when you get around 35 or 40, you're just like "who cares what people think". You can't even worry about that. As long as you're comfortable, your partner, your conscience, your family, that's what matters."

In this episode Dr. Deborah Gomez Kwolek shares her experience with:
- Having a baby during her intern year in 1987 and how she barely survived that year
- Having to take time away from residency training when she had her 2 first kids
- Sharing a residency spot with another woman who had a baby in residency (she needed to heavily advocate for herself to make this happen)
- Going on to have 7 children
- Taking several years away from medicine midway through her career, and then coming back
- Supporting young moms now that she is more senior

Join the SGIM Women and Medicine Commission's workgroup on parenting

"Pregnancy and Residency- Overdue for Equity" published in NEJM March 11, 2023

Follow Moms of Medicine:
- Twitter
- Instagram

Follow Ali:
- Twitter 

01 Aug 202426. Long distance parenting, maternity leave challenges, and being a hardcore surgeon and amazing mom with Dr. Nichole Shaw00:59:44

"I felt totally stripped of everything that I had ever thought of myself because I was not going to work, so I was really kind of just tied to my house for 6 weeks. I was bored! I wanted to be working, I wanted to be doing easy cases. The baby slept so much. I'm like what do I do? And then she never really latched and so I was exclusively pumping straight away. I could have tried breastfeeding for longer but I knew I only had 5 weeks of maternity leave and I wasn't going to fight her every feeding for 4 of those 5 weeks, I was just not about it. So, I think I lost a lot of that bonding with her because I just felt like a milk maid. I couldn't figure out how to pump and hold her and feed all at once. It was just a lot. Alex was doing a lot of the feedings while I was just pumping all the time."

This episode is with Dr. Nichole Shaw, an orthopedic surgeon who is completing her hand fellowship at University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. We discuss:
-  The challenges and benefits of having a partner in medicine:
---- Choosing whose career they will prioritize when
---- Navigating the military match (for her husband) with the traditional match
---- Choosing a subspecialty that she loves and that also allows her to be present with her family
---- Their motto as a couple being "M.D. - make due"
- Thinking for a long time that she wanted to be single and not have kids and be solely focused on her career and how that changed for her
- Struggling on maternity leave and being excited to go back to work
- The decision to keep her last name
- Her daughter being diagnosed with failure to thrive and all that ensued after that
- Doing long distance with her husband throughout multiple stages of their relationship
- Her current long distance setup (Nichole in fellowship in Pittsburgh and her husband in Chicago with their daughter) and how they had to make the tough decision of where their daughter would be for this year
- And so much more!

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

15 Aug 202427. Dr. Grace Farris on "weekend mom", hospital medicine, graphic novel writing, youth soccer coaching, and so much more!00:36:30

This episode is with Dr. Grace Farris, a hospitalist in Texas and published author. We discuss:

- The inspiration between her comics, and specifically "weekend mom"
- The decision to move her family from Boston, to NYC, and then to Texas
- Working as a hospitalist in NYC during the COVID pandemic with two young boys
- Working full time
- Coaching youth soccer
- Her next graphic novel See One, Do One, Teach One, which is a memoir of her time in medical school and residency
- and so much more!  

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Dr. Grace Farris:
- Instagram @coupdegracefarris
- Mom Milestones and Mom Calendar

29 Aug 202428. Dr. Kimberly Buss on having kids while in training, having a child with health challenges, serving her community as a primary care physician, and being a lifelong learner00:51:30

This episode is with Dr. Kimberly Buss, a family medicine physician in California. We discuss:

- Having a miscarriage in her second trimester
- Having a young child at home while in her residency training
- One of her children having health issues and how that affected her as a mom and a physician
- Her work as a primary care physician, particularly with patients with diabetes
- Being a lifelong learner
- and so much more!

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

12 Sep 202429. Default parent, job negotiation, camping with babies, and finding a part-time job that allows you to go "off grid" with Dr. Molly Brett00:43:07

"We both knew that one of us would need to be able to still be a default parent and I actually wanted that role, which I'm sure we'll talk about it's also very hard to be a default parent and a doctor, but that was sort of the thing I didn't want to give up when I went into medicine."

This episode is with Dr. Molly Brett, a primary care physician in Colorado.

We talk about:
- Deciding early on that she wanted to be a primary care doctor for multiple reasons
- Being in a dual physician family
- Being the default parent and wanting this role
- Camping with babies
- Negotiating a part-time job that allows her to be truly part time so that she can go off grid and go camping with her family
- The guilt around hiring a nanny to help her family in the mornings
- How she chooses which projects to say yes to and which ones to say no to
- Choosing the daycare that works for your lives (i.e. long hours) and not the most "fancy" childcare
- How to advise women to choose a specialty/career that works for them

 
Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com 

26 Sep 202430. Marathon running, dual physician household, leaving academic medicine, and prioritizing all aspects of your identity with Dr. Renee Rodriguez Paro00:57:31

"I feel like I was able to spend those years of fellowship really asking this question of how do I want this career to fit into my life. Before I never really
 understood what it was going to feel like to be a mom or to be a wife or what it was going to feel like to just want to be Rene and who I am and the rest of the things. For so long, understandably so, the main focus was how do I become the best doctor and that's what you need to get through medical school and residency to get the best training to be a good doctor but I started to realize that if I was only thinknig about my career and that was it and I wasn't giving ample priority to the rest of the things around it, then I would eventually hate my job for what it was taking away from the other parts."

This episode is with Dr. Renee Rodriguez Paro, a pediatric cardiologist in California.

In this episode we talk about:
- The decision to change your name
- Being married to a physician - the good and the bad!
- Starting a podcast with her husband called "Reconciling Medicine"
- Having a baby in pediatric residency and going back to work after 6 weeks
- Starting fellowship with a 6 month old baby and questioning if she should leave fellowship
- Considering surgery and ultimately deciding she wasn't sure want to be part of a two surgeon family and she loved clinic just as much if not more than the OR
- Shifting career priorities pre- and post-kids
- Making the decision to leave academic medicine
- Her view on part-time work for herself as well as globally for other physicians
- Becoming department chair
- Running marathons!

Connect with Renee:
- Instagram @drreneeparo

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com 

10 Oct 202431. Anesthesiologist Tiffany Moon on entrepreneurship, motherhood, empowering women, and the LeadHer summit00:42:41

"I promise we will all do better if you lift up and empower other women, because guess what when the time comes and you need a favor they will then return it to you. We need to stop this you or me mentality and competition. I think women are pitted against each other more than men are and I'm like there is enough to go around, I promise."

This episode is with Dr. Tiffany Moon, an anesthesiologist in Dallas, Texas.

In this episode we talk about:
- Having twin girls as an attending
- Her decision to go back to work after 6 weeks of leave
- Her thoughts on distribution of work and time at home during the little kid years
- Starting a wine company with her husband
- Starting a candle company during the COVID pandemic, somewhat accidentally
- Writing a memoir, which comes out in Spring 2025
- Creating the LeadHer Summit to empower women

LeadHer Summit Nov 8-10, 2024:
- Click here to register
- Use code "MOM" for $300 off registration

Connect with Dr. Tiffany Moon @tiffanymoonmd:
- Instagram
- Tiktok
- X
- Youtube

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com 

24 Oct 202432. Culture change, severe preeclampsia during REI fellowship, and having taboo conversations at work with Dr. Shelley Dolitsky00:54:18

"My brain was not in OB mode. Like anybody who is an obgyn, when you get admitted that sick at 26 weeks, knows you're really not going to go until 34 weeks but my brain wasn't processing that. So I reached out to both my program director and the chairman of our department in like panicked text messages. I didn't have it in me to call them. I had 1% battery on my phone. I was in triage. I was barely even admitted to the hospital. They had given me oral medication to get my blood pressure down before they even placed an IV and I had just texted my husband I had barely told anyone else and I was texting everyone at work."

This episode is with Dr. Shelley Dolitsky, who is a reproductive endocrinologist in Maryland.

In this episode we talk about:
- Developing preeclampsia only a couple of weeks into REI fellowship
- Her daughter spending 3 months in the NICU (she's doing great now!)
- How she decided when to go back after having her daughter, and then deciding to take more time off down the road
- The incredible support of her leadership at every step of the way
- Deciding on timing of a second pregnacy (with input from her work colleagues and her thoughts on this)
- Having to schedule an amniocentesis for the day she was to give her thesis presentation (spoiler, she didn't give her thesis, but not for the reasons you might think)
- Negotiating for her first job
- and so much more!

 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com 

07 Nov 202433. Dr. Lauren Puretz, OBGYN and ultra-runner, on "balance", prioritizing personal goals, negotiating, and starting your own practice00:44:59

"I wanted to maintain my running and then work was catching up and I think that's when it got kind of crazy in terms of you know I'm trying to do too much. And when you have too many balls in the air waiting until they hit the ground and a lot of problems with mariage, a lot of problems with kids, and a lot of problems at work. That was when I was like 'I need to figure out what to do here because I can't continue like this. It's time to prioritize. I don't want to look back and have my husband hate me, my kids hate me, I hate my life, my job.' That was kind of a big time that I needed to consider what to do."

This episode is with Dr. Lauren Puretz, who is a board certified OBGYN practicing gynecology in Colorado, an elite ultrarunner, a wife, and a mother to 2 children.

In this episode we talk about:
- How her relationhsip with exercise evolved in different phases of parenthood and her medical career
- Being married to another physician, who is a neurologist
- How and why she chose to give up obstetrics and focus on gynecology
- Finding the time to train for and race ultra distances while also working as an obgyn, being a wife, and being a mom
- Big changes at her prior job that led her to consider either leaving medicine altogether or opening her own practice
- The decision to start her own practice, and the logistics and challenges that went into this
- Her thoughts on "doing it all" (spoiler alert - you can't)

 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Lauren:
- Instagram  @Lauren1642

21 Nov 202434. Dr. Flora Sinha on secondary infertility, coaching, taking a leave of abscence, boundaries, and the koy of having an only child00:52:57

"I've hit the point of burnout multiple times in my life. Most recently it was after I started my coaching business. So I was working full time as a primary care outaptient physician and I was coaching my clients on my admin half day and weekends. I realized that what was burning me out was medicine post-pandemic. I just couldn't do it anymore and it took me a while to recognize why I was feeling the way I was feeling. So I took some time to self-reflect. Actually a year ago in August I took 4 weeks off of unpaid leave becasue I was just fed up. I needed some space and some time to figure out how I am going to move forward in everything that I love. I love clinical medicine. I love building that relationship with my patients, but then there's all of the other BS. Here in the United States the system is broken - period. We can make small changes here and there but in the end I decided that being a full time physician and full time coach wasn't possible."

This episode is with Dr. Flora Sinha, who is a primary care physician, a physician coach, and a podcast host.

In this episode we talk about:
- Her experience with secondary infertility
- How/when she decided to stop fertility treatments
- Happiness with her current family size
- How to respond to invasive/inappropriate questions about your personal life, particularly your family size
- Her experience with burnout
- Taking 4 weeks of unpaid leave to figure out how she wanted to move forward
- Starting her coaching business
- Her podcast - The Beyond Podcast
- Her decision to share her life publicly on social media and why

 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Dr. Flora Sinha:
- Instagram @drflorasinha
- Instagram @the.beyondpodcast
- the beyond podcast on apple, spotify, and youtube

05 Dec 202435. Dr. Karen Leitner, physician and coach, discusses all your burning questions00:44:32


"Now in this day and age of electronic everything, people can message you all the time. So if you're not willing to say these are the times I'm willing to be available for work and these are the times I'm not, you could be working 24/7.

There's this paradigm of inbox zero but even when you get to inbox zero you turn off your computer, theres' something that's in there again. So inbox zero really only happens if you leave your job or all your patients die. So it's sort of just growing your tolerance - I'm not going to check things between this time and this time, I'm not going to look on the weekends, I'm not going to check on vacation. It's like, are you allowed to say that? It's like sacrelig, but I think that's an example of setting a boundary around your time - when you will and won't answer pages, when you will or wont take extra shifts, if you're willing to do unpaid work. You just really have to decide."

This episode is with Dr. Karen Leitner, who is a physician coach based in Massachusetts.

In this episode we talk about:
- Working full time vs part time
- Setting boundaries with the electronic medical record (i.e. how to not always be tending to your inbox)
- Taking care of patients in the age of open charts
- Mom guilt
- Burnout
- Mental health concerns
- Negotiating for yourself
- Transitioning out of clinical medicine

Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Karen:
- www.karenleitnermd.com
- Instagram @karenleitnermd

16 Jan 202538. Pregnancy outcomes for surgical trainees, leave policies, and culture change with Dr. Erika Rangel00:34:14

"I had Ethan when I was a fourth year resident and then my younger son, Lane, I had as a first year attending. Both of them were NICU babies. They were both preterm delivieries, both had quite a number of complications and even more prominent a memory than the experience in the ICU was that desire to avoid being a burden to your colleagues."

This episode is with Dr. Erika Rangel, who is a trauma and critical care surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital.

We discuss:
- Parental leave policies and how these effect birth and non-birth parents
- Health outcomes for pregnant surgical trainees
- Culture change
- Her own story with having a child in training and another child later through IVF, both of whom spent time in the NICU

19 Dec 202436. Dr. Cornelia Griggs on her memoir "The Sky Was Falling", having kids in surgery training, balancing the demands of surgical training with the need to become competent, and how she's doing now00:54:36

"I am proud of myself for everything I've overcome but I also think it's ridiculous some of the sutff I had to go through to get here and I think some of it made me a better person and I think some of it was just bad to go through."


This episode is with Dr. Cornelia Griggs, who is a pediatric surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital.

In this episode we talk about:
- Her memoir "The Sky was Falling" about her time working in NYC during the pandemic
- Finding out her husband was sick shortly after they got married as surgical residents
- The decision to have kids in training
- Living with her kids away from her husband for a year while she finished fellowship (this just so happened to be when the pandemic hit)
- Her thoughts on the tension between training needing to be rigorous in order to become a surgeon but also understanding people are humans who will face challenges and need time to take care of themselves
- and so much more!

 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Cornelia:
- Instagram @dr.corneliagriggs
- Corneliagriggs.com
- Purchase her book "The Sky Was Falling"

02 Jan 202537. Dr. Jessi Gold on her memoir "How Do You Feel", changing the culture of medicine, and being human00:54:35

"For some reason we were taught that if we were good at our jobs we could do it and never be affected by it. I don't know who told us that but that was stupid."

This episode is with Dr. Jessi Gold, who is a psychiatrist at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and the Chief Wellness Office for the University of Tennesse System.

In this episode we talk about:
- Her memoir "How Do You Feel"
- The decision to share her story
- Changing the culture in medicine to allow us to be humans who have emotions, and how we will all be better for it
- How to make it through your day and also make time to feel your feelings
- Her thoughts on wellness culture and "hacks" and her personal experience trying some of these
- And so much more!


 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com

Connect with Dr. Jessi Gold:
- https://www.drjessigold.com/
- Buy her book! You can find it on Amazon, BAM! books a million, Book Shop, Barnes & Noble
- Instagram @drjessigold

30 Jan 202539. Solo episode answering listener questions!00:43:42

I answer some listener questions in this episode including:

- My journey through med school, residenc, fellowship into being an attending
- The specifics of my current job
- What it's like training and raising a family in Boston
- If I ever feel guilty about choosing medicine as a mom
- Expectations vs reality - what I hold onto and what I let go
- Best time to have a baby
- Using a financial planner
- Self doubt as a new attending
- Dealing with childhood illness
- Balancing things with spouse
- Setting boundaries with work
and more!

13 Mar 202540. Infertility, emergency medicine, long distance relationships, quitting your job, advocating for yourself, and having a large family with Dr. Camie Sorensen00:59:26

" I remember I was working a morning shift and it was 7 or 730 and I remember exactly where I am because I have a spatial memory and I was in between these two rooms. One had a STEMI and I was trying to get him to the cath lab, the other had a stroke I was trying to administer tpa and I get a phone call and the nanny is calling out."


This episode is with Dr. Camie Sorenson who is an Emergency Medicine physician in Fresno, California. 


In this episode we talk about:

- Meeting her husband and the decision not to factor in where he was living when she made her rank list

- Making a long distance relationship work

- Infertility and how she thinks her job contributed to this

- How she managed to undergo fertility treatments

- Being the first woman at her job to take maternity leave

- Going on to have 4 children and what that looks like today now that they are a little older

- Quitting her job when it wasn't working for her

- Advocating for yourself and knowing your worth

and so much more!


 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com


10 Apr 202541. Direct primary care, parenting a child with a rare disease, having kids in residency, social media, and so much more with Dr. Lauren Hughes00:40:03

"I got in a lot of trouble and so I will never forget my attending said you will never keep the lights on if you practice like that."


This episode is with Dr. Lauren Hughes who is a primary care pediatrician in Kansas City.


In this episode we talk about:

- Having kids in residency and how this might have been the worst time to have kids but there's also no good time

- Having a baby intern year and then having twins in March 2020, a few months before she was going to finish residency and start her own practice

- Her breastfeeding story and how it inspired her to get extra training in lactation medicine

- Being a physician and caring for a child with a rare disease (her son has MCAD where he is missing an enzyme that converts fat to sugar)

- The inspiration behind opening her own direct primary care practice

- Operationally what it looks like to run a direct care practice and how this differs from a concierge practice

- How she got started on social media and what she uses it for today

- and so much more!


 Connect with Moms of Medicine:
- Instagram @moms_of_medicine
- Momsofmedicine@gmail.com


Connect with Dr. Hughes:

- Instagram @bloomdpc

- drlaurenhughes.com

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