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07 Mar 2022
The Soundtrack of Discipline - Stephen P Webb
01:16:24
The Soundtrack of Discipline - Stephen P Webb
Welcome to Episode 8 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
You should focus on following a clearly defined, intentional direction, not a destination. As a church, you don't get to stop just because you reach a target attendance or budget goal. Stewardship is the point, not achieving a goal. Good stewardship means using your resources in an intentional, well thought out manner. Even if you fail, it's better to fail trying something with clear purpose. Money is only wasted when there is no thought or purpose behind spending it.
Feeling unsure about making that big change? Often, people aren't lacking clarity, they're indecisive. You might already know the right answer, but lack boldness to make the decision. In that case, change your prayer from, "God, give me clarity," to, "God, give me boldness."
Sometimes fear can stop us from leading people and restrict us to managing tasks. Don't let fear keep you from killing an area of ministry that isn't working (and draining church funds) just because it's someone's pet project. If that leader is struggling to see the issue, simply ask them to say the logic out loud or apply the same logic to their personal lives. It may help them understand the real issue at hand.
Discipline has a soundtrack, and it sounds like, "No."
Nothing else to say here.
Jesus didn't physically heal every person while he was on earth. He didn't go to every nation preaching about God's kingdom. He stayed hyper-focused on what God called Him to do - serve the lost in Israel. If Jesus wasn't focused on reaching every single person, local churches shouldn't be trying to either. It's arrogant to think that your church can impact EVERYONE. Stay focused on who God has called you to reach.
Who are you calling? Are you calling the big-name pastor hoping for a green room meet and greet? Or, are you calling their operations team making things happen behind the scenes? Learning from intelligent, not just famous, people is the key. Be willing to do the disciplined work ahead of church growth and without the famous connections.
03 Apr 2022
Clearly Define Your Mission - Mike Winger
01:08:51
Clearly Define Your Mission - Mike Winger
Welcome to Episode 9 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
A clearly defined mission governs why AND how your church does ministry. If your mission doesn't influence how you're doing ministry, your mission is too vague. For example, Mosaic filters the songs they sing so people who don't go to church can connect with the lyrics and not get lost in a barrage of Christian lingo.
Avoid picking up people's passion projects by turning the ownership back to them. It's not your church organization's responsibility to subsidize every potential ministry - it's the responsibility of the people IN your church to pursue that passion. Maybe have that person research a few organizations that your church can partner with (not build a whole new ministry). Or, have that person start a mid-week group that supports the demographic they are passionate about. Church leadership is called to equip people to do the work of ministry. Equip them and send them out.
Consistency turns into laziness when you refuse to change something that isn't working anymore. You can refresh things that are working so they can work even better without sacrificing consistency.
Lead with questions. Some conversations with staff can be tough, but don't start with "Stop It!" Start by asking questions to understand not only what they're thinking, but why they're thinking it. What are their values? What are their beliefs? WHY do they believe that way? Deal with the root of the issue and save yourself and your staff a lot of frustration.
"People often overestimate their productivity in one day. They also underestimate their productivity in one year." Consistency requires long-term sacrifice for long-term gain. We say "No," to good things so we can say, "Yes," to the things that accomplish our goals. Don't pack as much as you can do into one day. Pace yourself over long periods of time and you'll find you can accomplish much more than a few fast-paced weeks that leave you burned out.
05 Jun 2022
Leaders Speak Last - Mike Shelly
00:58:23
Leaders Speak Last - Mike Shelly
Welcome to Episode 10 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
Navigating the Money Conversation in Church - Chad Benson
01:02:14
How do we navigate the money conversation in church? Today, I had the pleasure of chatting with Pastor Chad Benson about this very issue. Pastor Chad shares his journey from insecurity around discussing money to leading Lifegate Church into year-over-year growth in generosity.
We explore the launch of his podcast "We've All Been There", co-hosted with Max Striplin, as they aim to bring relatable content to church leadership and reveal the reality behind successes and failures.
The episode also uncovers the value of trust in financial relationships, the power of efficient, flexible budgeting and the crucial role these factors have played in Lifegate Church's financial stewardship. Pastor Chad offers insightful advice on implementing checks and balances, reinforcing the importance of integrity in money management. We also discuss the process of creating a culture of generosity, teaching people to give, and how these elements can form an integral part of discipleship.
Moving into the realm of church expansion and financial stewardship, Pastor Chad shares his experience with Lifegate’s building expansion. We touch on the parable of the talents, which gives us insights on being faithful stewards of the resources God has given us. Pastor Chad's journey of fostering a culture of generosity at Lifegate Church serves as an inspiration for his congregants to take steps in generosity. So, get ready for an enlightening conversation on church leadership, finances, and overcoming insecurities. Trust me; you won't want to miss this.
Imagine leading a church in the midst of a devastating wildfire, grappling with the emotionally charged process of staff layoffs, and battling the financial and logistical challenges of a pandemic. That's the reality that our guest, Pastor Jim Sheldon of Mission Church in Ventura, California, navigated with courage, humility, and a steadfast faith. Join us as Pastor Jim shares his extraordinary journey, the highs and the lows, from his career switch from a loan officer to pastor, to his leadership during the Thomas Fires of 2017, where Mission Church transformed into a hub for disaster relief efforts.
When disaster strikes, how do you connect those yearning to help with those desperately needing it? Pastor Jim gives us an inside look into this process, revealing how Mission Church morphed from a shelter into a distribution center in the blink of an eye. He recounts the poignant story of church closures and layoffs, managing the emotional fallout with grace, and nurturing resilience within the church community. We also discuss the practicalities of launching a new campus and the financial logistics involved.
In the midst of crisis and change, how does one maintain a "church planting mentality" when it comes to stewardship of resources? Pastor Jim's thoughts might change your approach to your church's finances. He also shares how Mission Church pivoted their financial strategies and staff management during the pandemic. Through an inspiring journey of faith and leadership, Pastor Jim imparts lessons on leadership, stewardship, and resilience. So, lean in and listen as we navigate this enlightening conversation with Pastor Jim Sheldon.
03 Sep 2023
Maximize Your Marketing Budget - Bart Blair
01:05:40
Are your church's marketing dollars being maximized, or wasted? Bart Blair joins us on the podcast to share how churches can level up their digital communication game and stop wasting precious financial resources.
Bart is a digital marketing coach with Missional Marketing, who crossed over from the world of theater and music to help churches tune their marketing engines. On this episode, we explore the three rings of communication that Missional Marketing uses, diving into lead generation marketing and learning how to target different church audiences. We also tackle what effective communication looks like, and how your church might be missing out on $10,000 of free digital advertising!
Connect with Bart: Need help building a digital marketing strategy for your church? Connect with Bart at www.missionalmarketing.com and click "Schedule an Appointment"!
Subscribe to the Missional Marketing Podcast on any podcast platform for weekly conversations centered around digital marketing!
01 Oct 2023
I'd Give to THAT Church: A Conversation on Generous Churches with Kenny Jahng
00:57:10
Join our conversation with Kenny Jang, founder and CEO of the Big Click Syndicate and CEO and editor-in-chief of Church Tech Today, as we explore what it takes to cultivate and sustain a generous church. Kenny shares his personal journey from almost becoming a pastor to leveraging digital communication to help churches accomplish their mission and become more generous.
Kenny shares his three-part framework on cultivating generosity, practical advice on normalizing money discussions, building effective donor relationships, and identifying different levels of donors in your church. He underscores the importance of engaging volunteers and building meaningful connections, offering stories from his own experiences that beautifully illustrate these concepts. We also tackle the often-neglected topic of external funding and dive deep into ways to build trust and respect between the church and its donors.
By embracing technology, churches can create more impactful services and further their reach. Kenny walks us through the potential of AI in the church space, making the case for the power of technology in spreading the Gospel. He shares his experiences in the Facebook community, AI for Church Leaders, where hundreds are learning and exchanging notes on leveraging AI in ministry. As we wrap up our conversation, Kenny leaves us with ideas on maximizing the impact of year-end giving campaigns and where to find him online. Don't miss this conversation that will leave you with practical generosity strategies you can implement in your church right away.
02 Aug 2021
How to Engage High Wealth Donors - Jack Clark III
00:55:02
How to Engage High Wealth Donors - Jack Clark III
Welcome to Episode 1 of the the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
The road to fundraising is not glamorous. Meeting face-to-face is the most effective way to engage high wealth donors.
A great cause generates interest in your organization, but great character makes your organization worth the investment.
If their heart is right, high-wealth individuals in your church probably won't voluntarily voice every financial inefficiency they see. Make sure to ask trusted business leaders and high-wealth individuals in your congregation about areas that they see need improvement.
Building for the sake of building is wasteful. Make sure your reasons for building are directed toward your mission.
As any organization grows, it may outgrow the people you started out with in their current roles. For the sake of the mission, work to move those who have been loyal in the early stages of growth to roles that better fit their skillset. Offer the opportunity to learn new skills and prepare them for a new role.
09 Jul 2021
Trailer
00:01:39
Are you tired of preaching under financial stress? Do you struggle to invest generously into your church's mission?
On the Mission Driven Podcast, I sit down with business leaders, pastors, entrepreneurs, and financial directors to discuss powerful budgeting and fund-raising strategies that will help you generously fund your mission.
Our first conversation drops on Monday, August 2nd! Subscribe now so you don’t miss out on new ways to fund your mission.
Also, check out the Mission Driven Blog at www.missiondrivenbudget.com for powerful budgeting and fund-raising strategies to help you fund your mission.
05 Sep 2021
Church Planting Pitfalls and How to Avoid Them - Chris Faggins
01:00:05
Church Planting Pitfalls and How to Avoid Them - Chris Faggins
Welcome to Episode 2 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
Just because God gives you a big vision doesn’t mean you have to create it by the next day. Don’t try to force your own path to fulfilling the vision. Be patient and let God show you the way.
Stop and drop. Don’t wait to take action until the boat is sinking. Sometimes church leadership doesn’t shut down unhealthy things soon enough. This might mean you need to stop an unproductive area of ministry or stop renting that facility you can’t afford. Shutting down unhealthy activities NOW will prevent more damage in the long run.
When God calls you to plant a church, He’s not calling you to just preach at people. He’s calling you to teach people. A big mistake pastors can make is not teaching people about giving and personal finances because they’re afraid of losing people. What they don’t realize is that teaching people how to manage their personal finances is an investment. That investment not only draws people closer together as a church, but people develop even greater financial ownership of the mission and vision.
Don’t invest too much money into a temporary facility. You should absolutely make the space look nice and fit your needs. But, remember, whoever rents the facility after you is going to tear it all up to fit their needs. Save money by not splurging on tons of upgrades you can’t take with you.
Play the long game. Invest financial resources for long-term impact. Don’t spend money for the appearance of success. Churches have real success because they have been faithful and consistent for many years. Your church plant won’t achieve that level of impact overnight.
03 Oct 2021
How to Manage Church Finances - Mirna Pena
00:50:01
How to Manage Small Church Finances - Mirna Pena
Welcome to Episode 3 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
Finance management doesn't have to be complicated. Stick to the basics. You need a way to track income and expenses, a process for building and maintaining your budget, and access to a profit and loss report. Software like QuickBooks Online is cheap, easy to use, and includes everything you need.
A healthy relationship between the Senior Pastor and financial decision makers, whether the board or a finance director, is critical to maintaining healthy finances. Each must learn how the other thinks and operates to balance the church's overall approach to financial management. The Senior Pastor brings vision to the table, and the financial director ensures the vision is funded in the most effective way possible.
Accountability and communication are the foundation of great finance systems. Relational trust with other department leaders allows the finance director to balance needs and wants. Tough financial conversations can be held without animosity because both people are focused on the good of the organization, not just their own desires.
If your church is new in town, don't try to start a brand new movement. Instead, start by connecting with city leadership and get involved in what's already happening in your city. Residents and city leadership will notice, and, as they get to know you, will start reaching out. Like Hill City Church, your city's leadership might even connect you with people they already know need help, saving you and your team valuable time.
DO NOT make financial decisions by yourself. The best decisions are made with input from multiple trusted individuals. Lean on your team for their input, and don't be afraid to ask for it. Are you a small church pastor and don't have a team to lean on yet? Find someone inside or outside of your church that you can trust, and run decisions by them first.
01 Nov 2021
How to Give Up Control Over Your Church - Stephan Kilgore
01:05:48
How to Give Up Control Over Your Church - Stephan Kilgore
Welcome to Episode 4 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
As a pastor, the vision God gives you isn't just for your personal gain or influence. It's for the next generation. Are you willing to be faithful to serve the people God has called you to serve, even if you don't see that vision come to pass with you as the leader? Are you willing to build a foundation for the leaders coming behind you?
God's vision for a local church may be communicated through senior leadership, but the vision belongs to the entire church, not just the Sr. Pastor, board, elders, or deacons. Communicate vision as "our" vision. God instructed Habakkuk to "write the vision down and make it plain," so that people could carry that vision with them in their daily lives. A leader who constantly uses language like "my" vision robs people of ownership in the vision and mission of that local church.
Unity in values and capacity for vision is key when raising up full-time and lay leaders in a local church. Regarding finance managers or treasurers, some questions to ask:
Do they have the same financial values as church leadership?
Do they manage their personal finances well?
Do they have a vision for stewarding the church's finances?
Money is not ours. It does not belong to us. It does not belong to the church. It belongs to God, and He has entrusted us to manage and invest those resources well. Like the parable of the talents in Matthew 25, God blesses those who produce gain for His kingdom with what He has provided them.
Ultimately, debt is a burden, shared by everyone - the pastor, the board, the staff and congregants of a church. Everyone is fiscally responsible. A significant amount of freedom accompanies operating a debt-free church or nonprofit. You don't have to worry about raising enough money to meet a monthly payment. Assets are not at risk. Leadership is free to focus solely on fulfilling the mission of the organization.
Leaders struggling to relinquish control should ask themselves two questions: "Who hurt me?", and "Who am I trying to prove myself to?" Control issues stem from being hurt by someone whose opinion you value and trying to prove them wrong. Instead, shift your thinking to "Jesus healed me.", and "Everything I'm doing is about Jesus." Then, you can begin to let go of that need for control.
06 Dec 2021
The Power of Reinvesting into Your Church - Solomon Adair
00:45:59
The Power of Reinvesting into Your Church - Solomon Adair
Welcome to Episode 5 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
If you are currently bi-vocational and looking to work full-time for your church or nonprofit in the future, start planning now. The worst move you can make is suddenly taking a full-time salary from a budget that isn't ready for the added weight. If your organization's budget isn't ready, start by introducing a slowly growing stipend for a few years and set a target date in place to go full-time. That way, your budget won't have a heart attack when the time comes!
Don't let the fear of perception stop you from teaching about sensitive topics like money in your church. Pastor Solomon came to his own realization about this, "Why am I allowing voices that don't matter dictate what's happening inside the authenticity of our church?" Withholding biblical wisdom because of your own insecurities is selfish and ultimately hurts the people you are called to serve.
The principle of reciprocity, or sowing and reaping, is at work in every area of our lives. In particular, money is directly impacted by this principle. Reciprocity is a cycle. It doesn't just stop once the "harvest" is collected. That harvest is reinvested so it can produce even more next time. When teaching about money, it's important to emphasize the motivation behind generosity and good money management. Pastor Solomon says, "Sometimes we come to church wanting to be a minimal giver and then we ask God for maximum blessing." Generosity is about being a blessing to someone else, not blessing ourselves.
Reciprocity is also the link between an organization's leadership and the organization's financial health. If a leader has an unhealthy relationship with money, there's a good chance their organization's finances aren't healthy either. This is especially true in small organizations where there isn't a large board or leadership team to maintain accountability. Are your organization's finances unhealthy? Start by looking at your own money habits first.
Numerical growth in a church does not guarantee a healthy finances. Healthy finances stem from good decision making and being disciplined with what you already have. Learning to invest in people, educating them financially, and teaching about generosity are highly effective ways of generating financial health without a surge in membership. If steady numerical growth comes, it will come as a result of investing in the people you have now, not by a flashy advertisement or publicity stunt.
10 Jan 2022
Why AVL Matters in Your Church - Joey Cottle
01:10:21
Why AVL Matters in Your Church - Joey Cottle
Welcome to Episode 6 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
If you feel pressure between being a pastor and getting all the AVL details right, prioritize being a pastor. Connect with people. Eugene Peterson said, "Leisure is not the quantity of time, but the quality of spirit." If being a pastor first means that some of the tiny details don't get done, that's OK.
The point of AVL is to capture people's attention and focus it on Jesus. That's it. "Get people to Jesus, then stop." Keep your AVL costs under control by spending only what you really need to capture attention and point people to the gospel. AVL cannot sustain a relationship with Jesus. There are much more important things to spend money on.
Build relationships with local AVL vendors. Don't just shop online for the big stuff. Relationship opens the door for access to better equipment and better service when you treat your vendors right. Paying full price when you can could lead to price breaks on large purchases later on.
"Sometimes, when it comes to AVL, churches throw stewardship out the window." It's easy to get caught up in the latest and greatest technology. Avoid the "bigger better faster" mentality, because that's how you burn people out. People aren't machines. Repeating point #2 - there are more important things to spend money on than a great lighting package.
Some tips on managing a pastor's salary:
If you can, get salaried. This allows for flexible work hours when needed.
Budget. Budget. Budget. There are tons of budgeting options out there. No excuses.
Take advantage of a Housing Allowance. This allows you to deduct a significant portion of your taxable income. Talk to your lead or executive pastor TODAY.
Build a side hustle if you can.
"If churches are going to be employers, they should be the best employers out there." The church's mission is about people, not profit. You have to make a profit, yes, but it shouldn't be your primary focus. Err on the side of taking care of people financially, especially when they're moving out of your organization.
07 Feb 2022
Building a Culture of Generosity - Jamey Santo
00:57:38
Building a Culture of Generosity - Jamey Santo
Welcome to Episode 7 of the Mission Driven Budget Podcast!
Pastor Jamey laid out several practical strategies around executive pastor leadership and generosity. Instead of a summary, the steps for each strategy are listed below.
Learn your leader. Avoid familiarity by having regular conversations with your leader. Learn their plans and vision for your area. Learn what drives them. Learn how they think. That way, you can accurately represent their vision when you are leading your own team.
Creating a strategic plan around your leader's vision
Ask, "Why?"
Establish a timeline.
Get expectations from your leader and determine the win (end goal).
Break the win into small steps (phases) and execute the plan.
Elements of a successful capital campaign
Spend time in prayer. Ask the Holy Spirit for vision for the campaign.
Define what success looks like (the end goal, the metric).
Clearly communicate the vision to your church.
Make people the priority of the campaign.
Talking to someone who disagrees with your church's strategy
Lead with humility.
Disagree, but don't dishonor.
Speak the truth.
Hear them out.
Building a culture of generosity.
Start by modeling generosity yourself.
Get a revelation of true generosity from the Holy Spirit.
Share the vision with people.
Teach about generosity regularly (sermon series, etc...)
Share stories about the impact your church's generosity has had.
Be transparent with church finances.
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