Trailer for Jen Rubin's Green Room

In this inaugural episode, Jen welcomes legal expert and brilliant pundit George Conway for his insider view of E. Jean Carroll’s cases against Donald, the factors behind why she’s been successful so far, and to look at the system’s surprising defense of our democracy against him.  George also shares how he introduced E. Jean to the lawyer behind her victory, and why Donald will keep losing based on his inability to keep his mouth shut.  From there, they examine the psychology that drives Trump to be his own worst enemy and the narcissism that compels him to continue pursuing power at any costs.  Will the Republican party be able to escape his pull and start the search for redemption before he wins their primary yet again?


This Week’s Guest:
George Conway: 
Twitter | WaPo | On Morning Joe | Broaddrick V. Carroll Cases Article | “Unfit for Office”

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by author, journalist, and political thought leader Matthew Dowd for an insider’s look at the sport-ification of media, and how it leads to political nihilism and rising extremism due to the both sides approach it uses.  They also dive deep into the changes happening at CNN evidenced by Trump’s town hall, the shallow coverage of the difficulties Republicans created for the debt ceiling deal, and the tragic pretense of networks trying to be “unbiased”.  Is journalism as a whole still salvageable when the presentation of the basic facts are undermined?  And with the future at stake, will the media be bold enough to stand for democracy?   

This Week’s Guest:
Matthew Dowd: 
Twitter | University of Chicago | MSNBC | Author

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by co-founder and EVP for Public Affairs at Third Way Matt Bennett to lay out the destruction of moderation in our politics, the rise of extremism on the right, and the disastrous horse race approach of the media.  Are they locking us into a Biden-Trump re-election battle that few people want?  And if they are, is a third party something that could be dangerous to our democracy when the stakes are so high? They also cover how each side turns off people with messaging when they would agree with policy, how it relates to gun rights, and how the practical implementation of policy lets down the electorate.  

This Week’s Guest:
Matt Bennett: 
Twitter | Third Way

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by legal expert, author and Slate senior editor, Dahlia Lithwick for a deep dive into the current state of our judicial system and what it means for all of us.  In their conversation, they discuss how the Supreme Court has been undermining the public trust with its partisanship, disregard of precedent (and even Originalism!), and how the courts can’t be ignored so long as they have the power to constrain our rights and decide elections.  Given the scope of the threat to our democratic values, what reforms could restore justice to the country?

This Week’s Guest:
Dahlia Lithwick: 
Twitter | Slate | NewsWeek | Amicus Podcast | UVA Law | Author of “Lady Justice” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen brings on recent White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain to explore the successes of President Biden and the challenges that he still faces.  They dive into how his defense of democracy by giving primacy to the rule of law has its limitations, but hasn’t stopped him from strengthening NATO, producing jobs, passing a budget, and solving the problems left behind by Trump.  Also discussed are the enduring strengths of Kamala Harris, how their administration is fighting against discrimination, and the other ways the government can help restore our faith in our institutions.

This Week’s Guest:
Ron Klain: 
Twitter | O’Melveny | Statement from Whitehouse.gov

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Following the anniversary of the despicable Dobbs decision by the SCOTUS, Jen is joined by author and former NARAL President Ilyse Hogue for a deep dive into the war on women’s rights.  They discuss how far our country is set back by state government abortion laws, the role of right wing Christian Nationalism in weakening the agency of women by replacing justice with ideology, and how theocracy is rearing its ugly head once again.  Will Democrats wake up and solve this crisis by seizing on the issues of healthcare and personal freedom to win elections and restore our democracy in time?

This Week’s Guest:

Ilyse Hogue: 
Twitter | NARAL | Author of “The Lie That Binds”

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by author of “Newsroom Confidential” and media maven Margaret Sullivan for a deep dive into the current state of the 4th Estate.  In their conversation, they discuss the growing dominance of right-wing framing and language on some of the most critical issues facing the country, and what to do when you’re tasked with covering the preposterous.  Whether it’s related to the Donald or even science denialism, bothsides-ism is obscuring the facts and tearing the country apart.  Is turning our focus to hard reporting and away from the snap reactions of clout chasing journalists on social media the way to rehabilitate our news industry?

This Week’s Guest:

Margaret Sullivan: 
Twitter | WaPo | The Guardian | SubStack | Author of “Newsroom Confidential”

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump

Jen has a conversation with author and expert on the rise of the radical religious right in recent years, Robert P. Jones.  Together they look at the growing power and platforms held by White Christian Nationalists, the role they play in social division and Republican policies, and how Trump allowed the SCOTUS to become compromised by fundamentalists.  They also break down how that message has fused with Protestant churches while continuing to celebrate the Old South– with a look to how we can bring them back from extremism and into our democratic system. 

This Week’s Guest:

Robert P. Jones: 
Twitter | Public Religion Research Institute | SubStack | Author

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen sits down with expert on authoritarianism Ruth Ben-Ghiat for a look at the mythic hold strongmen have on political systems around the world and how Trump took up that mantle here.  They cover how he resurrected the spoils system, used divisive language to create a cult-like following, and his attempts to create disinformation that tears apart loyalty to anyone besides him.  More importantly, they explore how deep the threat to democracy goes– and when our system is threatened, how can we fight back to restore equality and justice under the law?

This Week’s Guest:

Ruth Ben-Ghiat:
Twitter | NYU | Website | Substack | Author of “Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by author and activist Fred Guttenberg to tackle the pressing need to address gun violence, how we can fight back, and what our government needs to do to protect the vulnerable.  In their conversation they explore the obscene power of the NRA and the mythologies supporting weapons of war, how to construct a legal strategy that can start securing electoral and legislative wins, and the power of activism.  They also share the reasons we should have for hope, and more importantly ask how we can use our voices most effectively to end senseless gun violence?

This Week’s Guest:

Fred Guttenberg:
Twitter | Website | Orange Ribbons For Jaime | Author of “American Carnage” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen brings on legal maven and civil rights leader Maya Wiley to take on the continuing hold white grievance has over our politics, why its complaints are dangerous and misguided, and how it influences the Republican party.  From there, they explore the pernicious leverage social media gives to outdated philosophies of hate, and how to fight back with our institutions and at the personal level.  To do so, we might push for a culture of diversity, become civically engaged, live as agents of change in our daily lives, and most importantly– never give up!

This Week’s Guest:

Maya Wiley:
Twitter | Civil Rights Org | Website | Instagram

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen to discuss the modern media ecosystem and how the classic both sides approach and opinion free corporate coverage is failing us with repeated coverage centered on crisis.  They also examine the pressures on journalists from institutions, and more importantly what it will take to fix things.  Will re-establishing truths over savviness with a focus on transferring knowledge from a position of expertise be enough to tame the rising populist passions that rely on misinformation to spread?

This Week’s Guest:

Jay Rosen:
Twitter | Mastodon| PressThink.org | NYU 

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

With Trump racking up another indictment in Georgia, Jen sits down with legal maven Rep. Dan Goldman to dive into the charges he faces.  During their conversation they explore how RICO prosecutions work to bring down criminal enterprises and why it strengthens the possibility of conviction, and explain why the jury pool won’t be corrupted by politics or wild rhetoric from Donald.  They also emphasize the need to ground the law in objective reality, and shut down comparisons to the Biden family– especially when the Trump family has exhibited far more evident corruption.  Will this be the case that finally holds the former president to account?

This Week’s Guest:

Rep. Dan Goldman:
Twitter | Campaign Site | Act Blue

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by Amb. Dennis Ross to explore the recent developments shaking up middle eastern politics.  They cover the cross demographic and widespread protests in Israel against attempts by hard liners to take control of the judiciary and what it means for the country’s future.  Then, they dive into Netanyahu’s efforts to create a breakthrough deal to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia, even though it might mean concessions to Palestine.  If successful, it has the potential to solidify peace with the Sunni countries.  Will it finally bring about a lasting transformation in the region?

This Week’s Guest:

Dennis Ross:
Twitter | The Washington Institute |Georgetown | Author of “Be Strong and of Good Courage” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen talks with champion of voting rights Marc Elias to review developments in the court cases facing Trump relating to aggressive actions by his lawyers, his threatening behavior, and the attempts to move Georgia cases to federal court.  Then, they lay out the Republican war on voting rights through their efforts to influence elections by gerrymandering, the rogue legislatures like Alabama’s ignoring the courts, and attacking early voting.  However; they find hope in the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court election win, how courts are stepping up to defend democracy, and our individual power to stand up for our most important values.

This Week’s Guest:

Marc Elias:
Twitter | Democracy Docket | Elias Law Group | Defending Democracy Podcast

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by finance expert and human rights campaigner Bill Browder for an inside look at the corruption and oppression in Putin’s Russia that directly targeted Bill’s company and friends.  In their conversation they cover Putin’s massive theft from businesses operating there, how he uses torture and violence against his political enemies, and why defeating him in Ukraine is essential to protecting freedom and democracy around the world.  They also discuss how the bi-partisan Magnitsky Act is one of the most effective weapons in the war because of its power to freeze accounts and directly target the oligarchs behind the invasion.  Now that it is being passed in dozens of other countries, are we gaining the upper hand?

This Week’s Guest:

Bill Browder:
Twitter | Website | Global Magnitsky Justice Campaign | Author of “Freezing Order”

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by master political strategist Simon Rosenberg to discuss why polling vastly overestimated the non-existent so-called Red Wave in 2022 and how the results of the special elections since then demonstrate that the electorate is continuing to punish Republicans.  They explore how the Dobbs decision, Supreme Court radicalism, Trump and his party’s attempts to overturn the election, the possibility of a government shutdown, and their inability to moderate is giving democratic candidates positive numbers not seen in decades.  Building upon the decline in inflation and other successful policies, is a Blue Wave coming?

This Week’s Guest:

Simon Rosenberg:
Twitter | New Democrat Network Bio | Substack

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by Rep. Jamie Raskin to lay out the case against Trump and examine the legal issues that should keep him out of the presidency.  They cover the potential of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to keep him out of office for his role in the January 6th insurrection, why his incitement against the election is not protected by the Constitution, and how he attacked our voting rights and pressured officials to break their oaths.  They also discuss the bottom up legal strategy being used to prosecute him and those he inspired, and emphasize the role our institutions have in defending our democracy.

This Week’s Guest:

Congressman Jamie Raskin:
Twitter | Website | House.gov | Author of “Unthinkable”

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by Pulitzer Prize winning author Diane McWhorter to discuss the civil rights movement in the South that arose to defeat the fascistic alliance between industrialists, the wealthy, and their enforcers in the Klan.  They lay out how Black activists, labor unions, and their allies put aside their differences to overcome them and make civil rights a national issue.  During the conversation, they look at the internal dynamics of the civil rights movement, the role of Martin Luther King Jr., and the nefarious actions of government, Bull Connor, and law enforcement.  Perhaps most importantly, what will it take to honor and advance the legacy of those who fought so hard for freedom and equality?

This Week’s Guest:

Diane McWhorter:
Website | Pulitzer.org | Author

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by Reed Galen and Rick Wilson of the Lincoln Project to discuss the fight to take down Trump. A fight they’ve waged since he revealed his authoritarian tendencies.  They explain why he can’t be fought like a normal candidate, how the media gets played by conservatives, and argue that defeating him is a battle for democracy that goes beyond party divisions.  Together, they explore how he fooled Republican voters, his use of vengeance while wielding power, the impact of his court cases, Kevin McCarthy’s failures, and how Trump’s primary challengers can gain ground.  Will our democracy be able to survive him?

Get More From This Week’s Guests:

Rick Wilson:
Twitter | Website | Substack | Lincoln Project | The Lincoln Project Podcast | YouTube | Instagram | Author

Reed Galen:
Twitter | Resolute Square | Lincoln Project | The Lincoln Project Podcast | YouTube | Instagram

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by the authors of “Tyranny of the Minority”, Professors Daniel Ziblatt and Steven Levitsky, to discuss how Republicans are wielding minority power to undermine our democracy.  They explore the constitutional mechanisms enabling them, spanning the electoral college, unbalanced representation in the Senate, and the adoption of the filibuster.  Then they lay out their proposals to fix things, including; removing constitutional protectionism, expanding popular representation, term limits, ending the filibuster, and adopting the interstate national vote compact.  Most importantly, they emphasize the need to vote and build momentum for change.      

Get More From This Week’s Guests:

Daniel Ziblatt:
Twitter | Center For European Studies | Harvard | Google Scholar | WZB | Author of “Tyranny of the Minority” & Other Books

Steven Levitsky:
Harvard | Kellogg Institute | Google Scholar | University of Chicago | DRCLAS | Author of “Tyranny of the Minority” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by legal maven and ethics expert Norm Eisen to review the pending cases against Trump and his associates.  They discuss how he is his own worst enemy, why we should put our faith in the juries, the effect of his potential testimony, and the legal strategies he will likely use.  Further, they examine the impact of the 2024 election, the evidence against him and his co-conspirators, and the results of the war on the rule of law that he and other Republicans continue to wage.  Will an alliance of voters, lawyers, and the resilience of our judicial system be enough to win back our democracy?          

Get More From This Week’s Guests:

Norm Eisen:
Twitter | Brookings Institute | Just Security | States United | Website | Author

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes creator of The 1619 Project Nicole Hannah-Jones to illuminate how she has used the Black experience to revolutionize our understanding of our history across multiple mediums.  While explaining her process, they discuss the power of the personal story to connect to the past, how The 1619 Project uses the collective to take back control of our past from elites and those in power.  They also lay out how our country’s continuum of systemic injustice divides us, undermines our democracy, and stops us from reaching true equality.  To fight back, they share the successes of the Black press, rebuke both-sidesism and the tendency to defer to power, and call for the courage to tell the truth.

Get More From This Week’s Guests:

Nicole Hannah-Jones:
Twitter | NYT | Howard University | Center for Journalism & Democracy | Instagram | Hulu’s The 1619 Project | Ida B. Wells Society | Author

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by the co-founder of Protect Democracy Ian Bassin to explore the growing threat of authoritarianism at home and abroad by laying out the cultural, institutional, and personal forces that Trump and the MAGA Right are exploiting to undermine our democracy.  They examine how times of uncertainty allow the siren song of the strong man to encourage voters to compromise on our national values, how the politicization of the SCOTUS is weakening the independence of the justice system, and why our institutions are essential to fighting back.  In addition to reform, they emphasize the role we all play in becoming single issue voters against tyranny and participating in communities that bind us together in the democratic experiment.  Will it be enough to save us?

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Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Ian Bassin:
Twitter | Protect Democracy | MacArthur Foundation

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen is joined by author and veteran political consultant Stuart Stevens to take a journey through the evolution of the Republican party towards authoritarianism under Trump.  They explain how it became dominated by white grievance and the religious right by forgoing policy solutions that could attract minorities, women, and young people in favor of conspiracy and control.  Jen and Stuart believe it was possible because Republican party leaders capitulated to the MAGA movement for power and the hope of getting their preferred policies without compromise– eroding our democracy.  To save it, they lay out what it will take to reclaim the principles essential to freedom, and make the argument that restoring democracy is the only issue that should decide elections when the alternative is conceding to one party rule.  Will 2024 be the turning point? 

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Stuart Stevens:
Twitter | The Lincoln Project | Website | Author of “The Conspiracy To End America” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes historian and democracy activist Thomas Zimmer to investigate the Right’s descent into ethno-religious authoritarianism and how to defeat it.  They break down how media bubbles have allowed the lies driving radicalism to flourish, and the ways the white christian nationalist minority is trying to gain control by using raw power to subvert our institutions.  Critically, they pivot to the steps that the Biden administration has taken to build a broad and diverse coalition around the defense of democracy, the need to resist fractures on other issues, and what can energize voters to create a vibrant pluralist majority capable of moving us forward.

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Thomas Zimmer:
Twitter | The Guardian | Substack | Georgetown | Is This Democracy Podcast

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes historian and author Heather Cox Richardson to explore the historical continuum of the Right’s war on freedom and equality from before the Civil War through the rise of MAGA. They discuss how the Southern oligarchy of the Bleeding Kansas era used race to push the average citizen to vote against their interests, and lay out  how that authoritarian legacy continues to drive limitations on voting rights, sustain racism and misogyny, and undergird our politics with violence.  Will we be able to overcome the forces still conspiring against our rights to continue perfecting our democracy?

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Heather Cox Richardson:
Twitter | Boston College | Substack | Facebook | Author of “Democracy Awakening” & Many Other Books

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Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes ADL vice president Yael Eisenstat to discuss her experience fighting against the growing extremism on social platforms.  Drawing on Yael’s time at Facebook, they explore the complicity of companies willing to harness bigotry and partisanship for views, the danger of political lies and vote manipulation on the social platforms, and how companies are hiding behind claims that they can’t moderate speech and that the viewers are getting what they’re looking for.  However; they go on to expose the manipulative and partisan nature of bad algorithms and the risks of reproducing this effect in A.I., before looking at possible solutions across the corporate, government, and individual levels.

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Yael Eisenstat:
Twitter | Website | ADL | TED | Statement on A.I. to the Senate

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes legal scholar Ruth Halperin-Kaddari to raise the alarm about the violence against women perpetrated by Hamas on 10/7.  They discuss the scope of the crimes and fight back against the propaganda attempting to cover them up by laying out the evidence from video footage, first responder reports, and testimony from the hostages.  Then, they share the importance of speaking out for Israel's women in the name of global womens’ rights, the need for action by the UN and International Criminal Court, and the legal strategies that can bring the perpetrators to justice.

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Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Ruth Halperin-Kaddari
Bar Ilan University | Global Governance Forum | Rackman Center

Mentioned On The Show:

The Sunday Times on the violence against women perpetrated by Hamas

The Times of Israel reporting on the Hamas attack

Slate on why the world needs to show up for the women of Israel

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen welcomes States United Democracy Center CEO Joanna Lydgate to sound the alarm over the war on democracy being waged by Trump and the election deniers he inspires.  They discuss the dangers their rhetoric poses to election workers, their motives for undermining our voting systems, and why we need to take them at face value.  Critically, they emphasize how protecting democracy should be the single issue we vote on in 2024 and lay out how we can counter the threats to it.  To do so, they share how to persuade others by breaking them out of their information silos and the actions we can take individually to save our system. 

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Joanna Lydgate
Twitter | States United Democracy Center | Author

Mentioned On The Show:

Electiondeniers.org on the scope of election denial

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen breaks down the latest developments in the Israel-Hamas war and welcomes CEO of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, Halie Soifer.  They discuss what it means to be Jewish amid the explosion of anti-semitism in the United States, and examine the interplay between Jewish values and intersectionality.  As part of their analysis, they weigh the strength of the pro-Israel response by President Biden and the Democrats, contrasting it with the attempts by Republicans to sow political division by conflating post-October 7th assistance with border policy.

Send In Your Questions For Jen’s Upcoming AMA Episode: 
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Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Halie Soifer:
Twitter | JewishDems.org | @USJewishDems

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | Threads | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump

In this special New Year’s episode, Jen discusses the recent victory for judicial independence in Israel and the resignation of Harvard President Claudine Gay, before taking your questions covering everything from the personal to the political.  Politically, she covers the impact of A.I., how we can reform the Supreme Court, the popularity of Senator Fetterman, how to persuade Trump’s voters, and her predictions for his cases.  On the personal side, she shares the shows, books, and news that make up her media diet, when she first voted democratic, and her love of dogs, along with much more!


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Twitter | Threads | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen contrasts the strong pro-democracy speeches of President Biden with Trump’s immunity claims, and welcomes the Brennan Center’s Michael Waldman.  They lay out the scope of corruption delegitimizing the SCOTUS, and look at term limits, court expansion, an ethics code, and regular presidential appointments as possible remedies.  Then, they discuss the progression of the DOJ’s prosecutions of Trump, with a focus on his attempt to claim presidential immunity, Colorado and Maine’s 14th Amendment based ballot removals, and whether J6 legally qualifies as an insurrection.

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Michael Waldman:
Twitter | Brennan Center | Author of “The Supermajority” & Other Books

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Twitter | Threads | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen dives into the Iowa caucus results driven by an unenthusiastic electorate dominated by Trump’s radical minority and welcomes ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt.  They analyze the explosion of anti-semitism after the 10/7 attack and what constitutes it, the rise of hate on college campuses, and the dangers posed by the social media algorithms driving popular opinion.  Then, they emphasize the importance of informed DEI education backed by college leadership, the true meaning of free speech, and personally speaking out against hate in all its forms.

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Jonathan Greenblatt:
Twitter | Anti-Defamation League | Author of “It Can Happen Here”

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Jen analyzes the Republican primary and looks at how the budget battle ties into recent foreign policy developments, before welcoming legal expert Ben Ginsberg.  They compare J6 to Bush vs. Gore, looking at how our politics have become more extreme and why equal protection under the law is relevant to our elections.  Then, they weigh whether our elections are secure, discuss how vote by mail, voter ID, and an increased number of voting days can help restore faith in our system.  From there, they look at the prospects for Trump’s quest to save himself with presidential immunity and examine the impact of the 14th Amendment challenges to his candidacy.

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Ben Ginsberg:
Twitter | Hoover Institute | Federalist Society | Election Official Legal Defense Network

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Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | Threads | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen explores Nikki Haley’s impact on Trump’s electoral prospects and the toxicity of the Republican Congress, before welcoming foreign policy maven Aaron David Miller.  They discuss the recent history of US-Iranian relations, the danger Iran’s proxies pose to our forces, and review the most effective ways to protect our interests.  Then, they break down the mechanics of Middle Eastern politics, and game out the next phase of the Israel-Hamas war.  Their analysis covers getting back the hostages, Israel’s internal politics, how the conflict will be fought going forward, and what it will take to reach a lasting detente.

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Aaron David Miller:
Twitter | Carnegie Endowment For International Peace | Carnegie Connects Podcast | Author

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Jen picks apart Trump’s claim to presidential immunity and welcomes Renew Democracy Initiative CEO Uriel Epshtein.  They break down how authoritarian governments wield power, review the evidence that Trump has rejected liberal values, and explain why the US still holds a critical role as a standard bearer of democracy.  They go on to look at the deterioration of democratic values around the world evidenced by the lackluster support in the West for Ukraine, and how to effectively support them against Russian aggression and strengthen our systems against the threats of tyrants.  

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Uriel Epshtein:
Twitter | Renew Democracy Initiative | Peace & Dialogue Leadership Initiative 

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | Threads | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Jen blasts Republicans for rejecting the Democrats’ border bill and welcomes legal expert Dennis Aftergut to break down the constitutional and legal means of stopping Trump.  They explore the possible outcomes of Trump’s quest to uphold presidential immunity in the courts, whether Section 3 of the 14th Amendment will keep him off any ballots, and if the SCOTUS is up to the challenges of the moment.  After his attempts to seat fake electors and commit insurrection, are our safeguards strong enough to defend democracy against authoritarianism?

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Dennis Aftergut:
Twitter | The Bulwark | Lawyers Defending American Democracy | Slate | Salon | The Atlantic | Just Security

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Jen welcomes political scientist Norm Ornstein to explore the rise of radicalism in the Republican party and how to defeat it.  They discuss how reasonable governance ended with the Gingrich Revolution, why this election must be about saving democracy, and what will happen to our freedoms, particularly for women and the LGBT community, if Trump wins again.  Then they lay out the strategies that will stop him, covering the reform of the filibuster to limit the power of a radical minority, the rule of 3 that governs how a party changes course, and stopping a coup in a worst case scenario.

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Jen welcomes Professor Kathleen Belew to lay out the history of post-war white power movements in the United States leading up to MAGA, QANON conspiracy theories, and the 1/6 insurrection.  They discuss how these groups recruit followers, their relationship to Trump, and the role of former military members, religion, and women in their organizations.  More importantly, they explore the part that journalism, properly understood free speech, and the judicial system play in limiting their growth and ensuring that they never take control of our country.

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Jen welcomes legal maven Barb Mcquade of #SistersInLaw to discuss how malicious actors are using technology to endanger our democracy by spreading disinformation.  They analyze the ways that social media, algorithm manipulation, A.I., and other tools of mass communication can erode trust in our institutions, drive radicalization and partisanship, undermine elections, and even lead to violence.  With our national security increasingly at risk, they lay out how media literacy, targeted regulation, civics education, and legal action can protect us and the country from disaster.

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Jen welcomes author and military historian Max Boot for a deep dive into the Ukraine-Russia war and to contrast the modern Republican Party with the presidency of Ronald Reagan.  They discuss the situation on the ground in Eastern Europe, what Ukraine is trying to preserve in light of Russia’s recent gains, the role of air power and ammunition production, and why support from the United States is essential as things become more desperate.  They also break down how the Republican Party has moved away from confronting authoritarianism to condoning it, and why their isolationism is creating a historical inflection point.  Do we have what it takes to support democracy at home and abroad?

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Jen welcomes psychotherapist John Gartner to discuss the history of the psychiatric profession’s involvement in our elections and why the Goldwater Rule should not stand in the way of its duty to warn us about Trump’s decline into dementia.  They lay out how he presents symptoms of cognitive issues in line with DSM criteria by analyzing his patterns of speech, the repeated confusion of dates and names, and his uncontrolled movements.  As part of their analysis, they explain how the media has gaslit the country by normalizing his mental state while pathologizing Joe Biden’s age typical behavior.  Will a massive public information campaign be enough to educate the country about the dangers Donald poses if he wins in 2024?

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Jen calls for a ceasefire in the Israel-Gaza war and welcomes labor leader Michael Podhorzer.  They discuss how the rural-cosmopolitan divide has framed our politics from the founding to the present day, the role white Christian nationalism has played in the rise of MAGA, the threat extremist groups pose to our freedoms, and how we can preserve our democracy.  Their analysis lays out the importance of mass movements, the need to revitalize unions, and how to counter corporate media by informing the public about the dangers we face if we want our system to endure.

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Billy Ray discusses various movies he has worked on, including 'Breach' and 'Shattered Glass,' and delves into the complexities of understanding characters like Robert Hansen. He explores the themes of deception, confirmation bias, and the power of storytelling in politics.
Billy emphasizes the importance of understanding conservative voters' fear of chaos and the need for Democrats to rebrand themselves as agents of stability and freedom. He also discusses the abortion issue and suggests effective messaging strategies for Democrats.
Billy and Jen discuss the importance of Democrats appealing to the middle ground and avoiding extreme positions. They highlight the need for Democrats to call out the left and distance themselves from radical ideas that alienate voters. They also emphasize the power of framing the election as a choice between an American and an extremist, rather than a Democrat and a Republican. The conversation touches on topics such as LGBTQ+ rights, cult mentality, breaking the frame in political discussions, and the importance of addressing local issues. Overall, the conversation provides insights into effective messaging and strategy for Democrats.

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Jen Rubin chats with author Brian Klass about his new book, "Fluke," diving into the role of randomness in shaping events and the need to embrace uncertainty. They discuss how seemingly minor events can have major impacts and caution against overconfidence in predictions, advocating for policy experimentation and emphasizes individual responsibility in shaping the future. They also explore the challenges of social science research, urging for a nuanced perspective and action over mere worry.

Takeaways:
The world is far more random, complex, and unpredictable than we often imagine.
Small, seemingly insignificant events can have significant consequences and shape the course of history.
Social science often oversimplifies the complexity of the world, leading to misleading predictions and models.
Policy experimentation and the use of randomness can lead to more effective solutions to social problems.
Individual actions and decisions, no matter how small, can have far-reaching effects and should be recognized as important. Individuals have a significant impact on shaping the future through their personal actions and involvement in social and political activities.
Taking action is more important than just worrying about the state of the world.
Social science research is subject to biases and uncertainties, and findings can vary depending on methodologies and interpretations.
A more nuanced understanding of the world and the recognition of individual power can lead to positive change.

John Dean discusses his study of authoritarian personalities and the lessons learned from Watergate. He explains that there are two approaches to understanding authoritarianism: studying the way authoritarian governments operate and studying the personality traits of those attracted to authoritarian leaders. Dean describes the traits of social dominators and right-wing authoritarian followers, as well as the enablers who support them. He emphasizes the importance of voting them out of power and the need for collaboration between the study of authoritarian governments and authoritarian personalities. Dean also discusses the challenges of changing the beliefs of authoritarian followers and the threat they pose to democracy.

Jennifer Rubin welcomes Steve Vladeck to discuss the Supreme Court’s immunity case deliberations, the decision not to expedite the appeal, and the potential implications of the  decision. They explore the ideological leanings of the justices, with a focus on Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett. They also delve into the concept of standing and its impact on cases, as well as the role of Congress in relation to the Court and  potential reforms for the Court.

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The conversation covers the ongoing trial involving Stormy Daniels and the implications for Donald Trump's defense lawyers. It also delves into the Supreme Court's immunity case and the potential swing vote of Justice Barrett. The discussion then shifts to voting rights and the challenges posed by the Supreme Court's decisions on the Voting Rights Act and Section 2. The conversation concludes with a focus on the latest trends in Republican efforts to suppress voting and manipulate the electorate. The conversation discusses the efforts by Republicans to pass laws that target people in cities and racial minorities, making it harder for them to vote. These laws also create opportunities for voter intimidation and cheating. Republicans are challenging laws that protect election officials from harassment and intimidation. They are using big data and AI to target voters and challenge their right to vote. The conversation emphasizes the importance of protecting democracy and the need for citizens, lawyers, and politicians to stand up for voting rights.

Jen Rubin and Tom Joscelyn dissect the intricate web of events surrounding the January 6th Capitol attack and its aftermath. They scrutinize key figures, investigative findings, law enforcement failures, and the pervasive threat posed by right-wing extremist groups. Delving into the implications of accountability, they explore the potential consequences of legal actions against former President Trump, the authoritarian tendencies within his movement, and the role of media in perpetuating conspiracy narratives. 

Takeaways:
The findings of the January 6th report have not been changed by subsequent information, and new details have only further corroborated the initial conclusions.
Steve Bannon's involvement and communications on January 6th are of particular concern, as he was in contact with President Trump and expressed a willingness to obstruct the transfer of power.

The investigation into the war room and its role in coordinating the attack is ongoing, and more information is needed to fully understand what happened.
The failures of domestic law enforcement and the normalization of right-wing extremism are significant threats to American democracy.

There are concerns about the reticence of the FBI and intelligence agencies to fully investigate and address the threat of right-wing extremist groups.

The crimes committed by the January 6th defendants were serious, and their actions should not be downplayed or dismissed.

Mike Pence was in danger on January 6th due to Donald Trump's targeting of him for not overturning the election results.

The atmosphere of the January 6th committee was intense, with a focus on telling the story of what happened and holding individuals accountable.

The Secret Service has had its share of scandals and issues, and there are concerns about its loyalty and performance.

The erasure of emails and messages raises questions about transparency and accountability. The Espionage Act case against Donald Trump is significant and the message it sends if he is not prosecuted is dangerous.

Trump's defense of taking classified documents and his belief that he can do anything as president reflects the authoritarian nature of his political movement.
Right-wing media sustains an echo chamber of conspiracy theories, and defeating the insurgency requires reaching out to Republicans who do not want to be aligned with extremist ideologies.

Losing decisively at the ballot box is necessary to initiate a reformation on the American right.

Hope lies in the resilience of the American people and the belief that there are more people who reject extremism than those who embrace it.

Jen Rubin talks with Yasmin Radjy, executive director of Swing Left, an organization that aims to channel resources to the most impactful elections to ensure Democrats have the balance of power.  Swing Left believes that without Democratic control, nuanced policy disagreements are irrelevant because the government will be co-opted by extremists. They prioritize grassroots efforts, such as door-knocking and phone banking, to engage voters and persuade them to support Democratic candidates. 

Swing Left encourages individuals to get involved by signing up on their website and contributing their time or money to support competitive races.

Susan Page discusses her book on Barbara Walters, highlighting her groundbreaking career in journalism and entertainment. Walters, rising from a generation with low expectations for women, became known for her meticulous preparation and high-profile interviews. Despite facing criticism, she persevered to become a legend in the industry. Walters struggled with personal relationships, prioritizing her career and encouraging women to own production companies. Her complex relationship with Diane Sawyer, marked by competition fueled by their employer, is also explored. Walters' ability to adapt to the evolving medium of television further cemented her legacy.

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Lee Kovarsky and Jennifer Rubin discuss the recent conviction of a former president of the United States and the challenges faced by the judge and jury in the trial. They explore the exercise of prosecutorial discretion, the criticism of the decision to prosecute, and the importance of respecting the rule of law.
They also touch on the issue of presidential immunity and the potential involvement of the Supreme Court. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the breakdown of the federal court system and the challenges faced by prosecutors in dealing with difficult judges.


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Jen Rubin and Nicole Bibbins Sedaca delve into the global phenomenon of democratic backsliding, exploring the erosion of democratic norms, the role of civil society, and the connection between financial corruption and political power. They also highlight the importance of individual responsibility and collective action in safeguarding democracy.

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Amy McGrath discusses Donald Trump's attitude towards the military and the perception of it within the military. She highlights the concerns about Trump's treatment of veterans and his disrespectful comments about fallen soldiers. Amy and Jen also discuss the potential dangers of a second Trump administration, including the lack of guardrails and the potential for misuse of presidential power. She emphasizes the importance of civilian control of the military and the potential challenges if the president issues unlawful orders. 
Amy also talks about the need for leaders with national security experience in Congress and the value of national service. She addresses the disconnect between young people and politics and the importance of civics education. McGrath emphasizes the connection between American prosperity and international leadership, and the risks of isolationism. She encourages support for pro-democracy candidates and organizations.

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Jen Rubin discusses the upcoming debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. She predicts that Trump will come out aggressive and lie repeatedly, as he is immune to facts. She suggests that Biden should provoke Trump by bringing up his ridiculous stories and his history of losing in court. Jen also highlights the importance of Biden addressing issues such as abortion, the economy, Trump's foreign policy, and the potential dangers of a second Trump term. She emphasizes that Biden should showcase his wit and intelligence during the debate. Jen concludes by reminding listeners that the debate is just one event in a long election campaign, and that much can change in the coming months.


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Ben Wikler, Chair of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, discusses the grassroots organizing efforts that have made Wisconsin a key battleground state. He highlights the importance of neighbor-to-neighbor organizing and building a unified operation. Wikler also emphasizes the significance of issues like reproductive rights and democracy in motivating voters. He praises Vice President Kamala Harris for her ability to connect with voters and make the stakes of the election clear. Wikler believes that Democrats can replicate the success of Wisconsin's organizing efforts in other states by focusing on key fights and giving people a way to be part of something bigger than themselves.

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Jen, Malcolm and Yair explores the concept of centrism and the need for political moderation in the face of populism and extremism. 
The guests discuss their book, 'The Center Must Hold,' which brings together voices from around the world to advocate for centrism. They emphasize the importance of shared values, compromise, and humility in politics. They also discuss the role of institutions, such as compulsory voting and preferential voting, in promoting centrism. 
Touching on the challenges of media polarization and the need for fact-based journalism. They highlight the value of national service and bridging social capital in fostering unity and understanding.

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Jen Rubin is joined this week by Adam Hochschild to discuss his book 'American Midnight: Fear, Magic, and the Reconstruction of Race in America'. He explores the parallels between the early 20th century and the present day, highlighting the rise of nativism, paranoia, and conspiracy theories. 
Adam delves into the factors that fueled fear and prejudice during World War I, including the conflict between nativists and immigrants, racial tensions, and the conflict between business and labor. He also discusses the role of figures like Louis F. Post and J. Edgar Hoover, as well as the lasting impact of the Immigration Act of 1924. 
Jen & Adam chat about how we all  learn from history to prevent the repetition of such events.

Jen and Kim Wehle discuss the current state of the Constitution and the Supreme Court. They highlight the recent Supreme Court rulings that have redefined the power of the president and altered the foundational structure of government. They also discuss the implications of these rulings on the rule of law and the potential for abuse of power. Kim emphasizes the need for civic literacy and understanding of the Constitution among the American public. She suggests potential reforms to strengthen democracy and protect constitutional rights.

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Peter Pomerantsev discusses Delmer's strategies, highlighting their relevance to modern disinformation challenges, particularly regarding Russia's actions in Ukraine. Pomerantsev stresses the need for engaging media campaigns to counter authoritarian propaganda effectively.
Peter's book is about Sefton Delmer, a British journalist during World War II, used subversive propaganda tactics against the Nazis. He created fake radio stations like 'Death Chef' to expose Nazi corruption and secrets. Delmer's goals were to:
1. Challenge Nazi emotional control
2. Provide factual information
3. Promote alternative identities
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Jen Rubin and Matt Bennett discuss the selection of Tim Walz as the vice presidential nominee and his potential impact on the ticket and the country. They highlight Walz's relatability, his understanding of rural and urban issues, and his ability to bridge the rural-urban divide. 
They also discuss the strengths of the Harris campaign, including their ability to generate momentum and their strategic choices. They touch on the importance of authenticity, the need to address issues like crime and immigration, and the potential pitfalls for Democrats, such as complacency and identitarianism. They also discuss the political map and the states that Democrats should focus on.

Jen and Mark Jacob discuss the challenges facing the media industry and the need for more responsible and informative journalism. They highlight the importance of fact-checking and fact crusading, as well as the need for historical context in reporting. They also discuss the negative impact of polls and the obsession with entertainment in news coverage. The conversation touches on the decline of local news and the polarization of media outlets. Mark emphasizes the importance of a balanced news diet and the need to listen to different perspectives.

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Jen Rubin and Dr. John Gartner discuss the increased focus on Donald Trump's mental health, particularly through Dr. Gartner's work with George Conway and the "Shrinking Trump" podcast. They explore how Biden's exit from the race has highlighted Trump's mental state, and how Conway's ads provoke Trump's irrational behavior. Jen and Dr. Gartner also examines Kamala Harris' strategy to undermine Trump, Coach Walz's appeal to Midwestern voters, and how fact-checking Trump's lies can be effective. Additionally, they discuss the potential societal shift post-Trump and the anticipation around a possible Harris-Trump debate.

Jen Rubin is joined by Robert P. Jones to discuss his book 'The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy' and the updated observations in the paperback version. He explores the connection between Trump and his base supporters, highlighting the role of Christian nationalism in their support. Jones explains that white Christian nationalists want to restore their dominance in society and view Trump as a means to achieve that. 
He also discusses the struggle between a pluralistic democracy and a vision of America as a Christian nation. Jones shares insights from his survey on authoritarianism, Christian nationalism, and the Republican Party, emphasizing the need for resistance and persuasion to uphold democratic values.

Simon Rosenberg discusses the evolving political landscape as the election approaches, focusing on polling trends, candidate favorability, and the impact of key figures like JD Vance. 
He highlights the significance of abortion as a political issue and the changing dynamics in the House and Senate races. The discussion also touches on the shifting perceptions of patriotism and the Democratic Party's identity, as well as strategic decisions in battleground states.

Jen Rubin and Ian Bassin discuss the current state of democracy in the U.S., focusing on the upcoming election, the myth of illegal voting, the integrity of the electoral process, and the role of the Supreme Court. He emphasizes the need for reforms to strengthen democracy, including addressing the filibuster and exploring innovative voting systems. Bassin also highlights the importance of community and collective action in overcoming the challenges facing democracy today.

Timothy Snyder discusses his new book that explores the concept of freedom from a philosophical and political perspective. He contrasts negative freedom, often understood as freedom from constraints, with positive freedom, which emphasizes the importance of community, solidarity, and the conditions necessary for individuals to thrive. Snyder argues that true freedom requires a supportive environment and institutions that foster individual growth. He critiques the American understanding of freedom as overly individualistic and highlights the need for factuality and truth in political discourse. The conversation also delves into the dangers of viewing freedom as inevitable and the importance of imagination in envisioning a freer society.

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Jen addresses a series of questions from listeners regarding the upcoming elections, focusing on misinformation, voter outreach strategies, key down-ballot races, and the priorities for Kamala Harris if elected. 
Also touching on the shifting dynamics among young male voters, the impact of media pessimism, and the current global opinion on Israel amidst conflict. Jen emphasizes the importance of contributing to democratic efforts and highlights positive trends in the political landscape.

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Jen Rubin is joined this week by Matthew Seligman to discuss the ongoing legal implications of the January 6th events, focusing on the litigation surrounding Trump's actions and the broader implications for the upcoming 2024 election. They explore the strategies employed by Republicans to influence voting laws and the narrative around illegal voting, emphasizing the importance of voter confidence and the integrity of the electoral process.

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Jen, Susanne and Russ delve into the financial history and business practices of Donald Trump, exploring his early wealth, the impact of his family's finances, his business failures, and the eventual rise to fame through reality television. The discussion highlights the complexities of Trump's financial dealings, his reputation for stiffing contractors, and the role of media in shaping his public persona.

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David Brock discusses his book on the Supreme Court, focusing on the influence of Clarence Thomas and the ethical issues surrounding the court. He analyzes the power dynamics within the court, particularly the leadership of Chief Justice Roberts, and the implications for the Democratic Party's strategies moving forward. The discussion also touches on the media's role in shaping public perception, especially regarding Trump and right-wing media outlets, and concludes with reflections on the evolving nature of Democratic responses to political challenges.

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Jen Rubin discusses the optimism surrounding Election Day, highlighting the enthusiasm for Kamala Harris and the trends in early voting. She emphasizes the importance of key states like North Carolina and Georgia, and prepares listeners for Trump's expected declaration of victory, urging them to remain calm and patient as the votes are counted.

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Jen Rubin discusses the implications of recent election results, emphasizing the need to understand voter sentiment and the role of misogyny in American politics. She outlines strategic responses for Democrats, focusing on accountability and the importance of local governance. Rubin expresses hope for the future while acknowledging the challenges ahead, urging listeners to remain engaged and proactive in the political landscape.

White Christian nationalism's influence on US elections reflects complex intersections of religion, race, and politics. Robert P. Jones examines how faith communities, particularly white evangelicals, show strong support for Trump while highlighting concerning trends in political polarization and extremist rhetoric. The discussion emphasizes the importance of local engagement and understanding in addressing these challenges to democracy.


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In a poignant discussion, Jen is joined by Dara Horn and explore her book 'People Love Dead Jews', examining how society fetishizes Jewish memorial narratives while marginalizing living Jewish experiences. She critiques the prevalent anti-Semitism in Western culture, highlighting how Holocaust education often serves as a superficial morality tale that fails to recognize Jewish agency and complexity. Horn discusses the troubling trend of erasing contemporary Jewish identities, arguing that societal perceptions frequently oscillate between romanticizing Jewish victimhood and harboring underlying assumptions of Jewish malevolence. The conversation delves into the nuanced challenges of understanding anti-Semitism, emphasizing the importance of comprehensive historical context and genuine cultural understanding.

Jen is joined this week by Mimi Rocah who analyzes the recent legal landscape, focusing on Jack Smith's federal case dismissals and their broader implications. 
The conversation examines the complex interplay between politics and justice, highlighting the challenges facing the Department of Justice and the critical importance of maintaining democratic norms. Rocah emphasizes the potential for civil accountability and the pivotal role of ordinary citizens in upholding the rule of law, while expressing cautious optimism about future legal and political engagement.

Jen and Renato Mariotti discuss the implications of political interference in law enforcement, particularly focusing on the FBI and the Justice Department under a second Trump administration. They explore the erosion of trust in federal law enforcement, the challenges to judicial independence, and the potential consequences of targeting political opponents. The discussion also touches on the role of state governments in resisting federal overreach and the responsibilities of criminal defense lawyers in protecting vulnerable individuals.

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They discuss the current state of the Democratic Party, focusing on Biden's ideological journey, the importance of effective messaging, and the role of local leaders in engaging voters. He emphasizes the need for Democrats to listen to constituents, balance positive and negative messaging, and address pressing issues like education and immigration. Jim also highlights the disparities between red and blue states and the importance of communication in shaping public perception. He concludes with thoughts on the future of the Democratic Party and the need for a more proactive approach to governance.

Jen and George discuss the recent libel case involving Donald Trump and E. Jean Carroll, examining the implications of the verdict and public perceptions of Trump. They explore the complexities of legal definitions of rape, the challenges of defamation cases, and the broader impact of Trump's policies on American society. The conversation reflects on how political figures manipulated Trump, the potential for corruption in the current political landscape, and the media's role in shaping public discourse. 
They also address the pervasive corruption and self-interest in politics during the Trump era, highlighting shifting Republican values, the role of anger in political identity, and the importance of truth in issues like birthright citizenship. Finally, they emphasize the need for Democrats to engage voters effectively, prepare for future political challenges, and confront the misogyny that influenced recent elections.  

Jen is joined this week by Eric Liu, they discuss  the pain and disillusionment many feel towards politics and how Citizen University aims to empower individuals to take active roles in their communities. He emphasizes the importance of understanding local power dynamics, fostering civic character, and creating spaces for connection through programs like Civic Saturdays. Liu also reflects on the significance of immigrant stories and the upcoming 250th anniversary of America as opportunities for civic engagement and reflection.

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Jen Rubin answers listener questions and addresses various pressing political questions as the new year begins. She discusses the implications of international leaders flattering Trump, the status of his cabinet nominations, and the potential dangers posed by certain nominees. The conversation also touches on Elon Musk's controversial involvement in European politics, the complexities of immigration policy, and the challenges Trump faces with his legal cases. Additionally, Jen emphasizes the need for Democrats to adapt their messaging strategies in a media landscape that often favors Republicans, and she critiques Attorney General Garland's handling of the Smith report.

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Jen and Katie Paris discuss the importance of community and empowerment among women, particularly through the organization Red Wine and Blue. Katie shares her journey in founding the organization, which aims to connect and support women in their local communities, especially in the face of political challenges and social issues. They emphasize the need for local action, the significance of joy in activism, and the importance of mutual aid during crises. The conversation highlights the diverse backgrounds of women involved in Red Wine and Blue and invites listeners to engage with the community.

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