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14 Oct 2023S2:E3 - Meet Will: ex-SDA Husband, Dad, Lawyer - Pt. 100:57:46

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Part 1 of 2: Santiago interviews Will James, an ex-Adventist husband, dad, lawyer, and TikToker based in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. We discuss his parents' conversion to Adventism (along with 30 of their friends?!) when he was two years old. Will grew up with a very literal interpretation of the Bible and Ellen White's writings, and eventually deconstructed everything. 
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Topics Mentioned: 
Will's TikTok (@will.i.jam)
Oh No, Ross and Carrie - Amazing Facts Series 
David Steward Amazing Facts Profile 
Will's Blog - Broken Plates and Baptisms 
Inception (Movie)

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12 Nov 2023S2:E7 - Charli: Escaping her Adoptive SDA Parents - Pt. 201:03:44

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Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. She was adopted from Russia and brought to the U.S. as a baby by an Adventist couple. Growing up, Charli experienced horrific things at home. The police and Child Protective Services investigated, but nothing happened, so she ran away from home at 18. She now has over 500k people on TikTok who have been following her life story.

Charli's Links: 
TikTok @charli.hayes 
Instagram @charlihayes_ 
YouTube @charlihayes_

Resources / Topics Mentioned:  
Little Duck Diner - Savannah, GA 
Hostel in the Forest - Brunswick, GA 
Hostelworld - Find hostels around the world

Support for Victims of Abuse: 
RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline 
Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline 
The Hotline - National Domestic Violence Hotline

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21 Jan 2023S1:E3 - Do You Have a Favorite Veggie Meat?00:49:40

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We discuss Adventist culture, diet, and the Sabbath, looking at the good and bad aspects of these things. Abby and Ami are joined by Alex, and they ask their friends "What's your favorite veggie meat?"

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13 Jul 2024S2:E14 - From Faith & Fear to Freedom: Dee - Pt. 101:12:06

Support the Show • Part 1 of Santiago's interview with Dee, a fourth-generation Seventh-day Adventist, about his SDA background, early baptism, education, and what led him out of the church. In our wide-ranging conversation, we discussed racial issues in Adventist schools, the Civil Rights Movement, and more.

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 

Video - We Are the World 
Topic - Public Enemy 
Film - Malcolm X (1992) 
Topic - Assassination of MLK Jr. 
Topic - Poor People's Campaign 
Topic - The 15 Year Battle for MLK Jr Day 
Video - MLK: "A riot is the language of the unheard" 
Topic - White Americans Celebrated MLK's Death 
Topic - Ronald Reagan's wartime lies
 

00:00 Intro
00:17 Meet Dee: 4th Gen Adventist
02:49 Early Memories & Fearing Ellen White
04:01 Questioning Church Teachings
09:02 A Life-Changing Tragedy
11:04 Living with Fear & Moving to Huntsville
19:01 Baptism and Religious Pressure
22:26 Purity Culture & Mixed Messages
28:51 Weird "Health Message" Fads
31:29 Racial Issues in Adventist Schools
38:11 Civil Rights, Division, MLK
43:30 Deconstructing Beliefs
47:02 How Othering Manipulates Us
53:07 The New Generation
55:29 Trickle Down Greedonomics
1:00:42 Dee's Adventist Education
1:07:16 Goodbye Oakwood, Hello Adulthood
1:11:26 Outro

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20 Apr 2024S2:E11 - Future of the Show + Listener Stories00:45:24

Support the Show • Santiago shares some personal news, updates on the future of the show, and listener stories.

Resources / Topics Mentioned:

Slate: Why Do We Give Our Pets Death With Dignity but Not Ourselves? 
S1:E2 - Do You Believe in an Afterlife?
More Listener Stories 
Podcast Resources 
Book Resources

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07 Jan 2023S1:E1 - Do You Believe in God?01:20:14

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Santiago introduces himself and the podcast. Abby and Ami discuss their plans for the podcast, their backgrounds, why they left the church, and ask their friends the question: When did you know that god wasn't real?

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04 Nov 2023S2:E6 - Charli: Escaping her Adoptive SDA Parents - Pt. 101:50:38

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Santiago interviews Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. She was adopted from Russia and brought to the U.S. as a baby by an Adventist couple. Growing up, Charli experienced emotional, physical, and sexual abuse at home. The police and Child Protective Services investigated, but nothing happened, so she ran away from home at 18. She now has over 500k people on TikTok who have been following her life story.

Charli's Links: 
TikTok @charli.hayes 
Instagram @charlihayes_ 
YouTube @charlihayes_

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 
VeggieTales - Jericho Slushies 
Battle (Genocide) of Jericho - Wikipedia 
IBLP - Wikipeda 
Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets 
Alisa Williams' Thread on SDAs & Shiny Happy People
Katie Morton - Licensed Therapist, YouTuber 
Religious Trauma-informed Therapists & Other Resources

Support for Victims of Abuse: 
RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline 
Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline 
The Hotline - National Domestic Violence Hotline

Kati Morton Videos: 
Abuse Topic Playlist 
Sexual Abuse: How do we recover & how long does it take? 
What is Consent, Assault & Harassment? 
What's considered sexual abuse? 
Struggling with childhood sexual abuse? 
Healing from Sexual Abuse & Incest

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08 Apr 2023S1:E13 - Meet Jeff, Humanitarian ex-Adventist02:09:25

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Santiago interviews Jeff, an ex-Adventist who used to work for ADRA and still does humanitarian work today. They discuss a bit of everything about growing up Adventist, including Jeff's experiences at an SDA boarding school and what it's been like to leave Adventism over the last 20 years.

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Links to topics mentioned:

Please take the ex-SDA survey if you haven't already! As of this publishing (April 8, 2023), it is planned to remain open until June 2023.


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18 Nov 2023S2:E8 - Charli: Escaping her Adoptive SDA Parents - Pt. 300:50:15

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3rd and final part of Santiago's interview with Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. After escaping her abusive home, Charli discovered she didn't have proof of her U.S. citizenship, so she had to get a green card and worried about possibly being deported. We also discussed her journey of healing and leaving the faith she grew up in.

Charli's Links: 
TikTok @charli.hayes 
Instagram @charlihayes_ 
YouTube @charlihayes_

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 
Maskrosbarn ("Dandelion Child") 
Mental Health and Therapist Resources

Support for Victims of Abuse: 
RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline 
Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline 
The Hotline - National Domestic Violence Hotline

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07 Oct 2023S2:E2 - From SDA Student Missionary to Agnostic: Morgan Clae02:06:03

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Santiago interviews Morgan Clae, an ex-Adventist director, producer, and singer-songwriter based in Los Angeles. We discuss purity culture, her time at Walla Walla University, being a student missionary, deconstruction, and becoming agnostic. We also explore the meaning behind the lyrics of Wilder Things, Morgan's song on deconstruction and coming out.

Morgan's Links: 
Morgan Clae Linktree 
YouTube 
Spotify 
TikTok

Morgan's Music Mentioned: 
Stay (Music Video) 
Wilder Things 
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Resources & Topics Mentioned: 
Born Again Again Podcast 
exAdventist Subreddit 
The Greatest Showman 
Jesus and John Wayne 
Conservatives are upset their kids don’t want to spend Christmas with them

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05 Feb 2023S1:E5 - Did You Ever Get “The Talk?”01:19:52

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Oh look, another sex episode! Santiago shares his experiences and some resources. Ami, Abby, and Alex discuss sex ed in the Adventist church and touch on dorm life, contraceptives, and the experience of growing up during the AIDS crisis. They ask their friends: What, if any, sex ed did you receive?

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28 Sep 2024S2:E15 - From Faith & Fear to Freedom: Dee - Pt. 201:11:24

Support the Show • Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Dee. We discussed his questioning of Adventism and Christianity in general, Satanic Panic, his evolving perspectives on religion, and having empathy for believers. We also talked about Dee's move to Sweden, his childhood connection to Dr. Ben Carson, and how the Ben Carson on TV is not the same man Dee once knew.

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 
Song - I'm Afraid I'll Go to Heaven by Moon Walker 
Book - Inside Rock Music (SDA anti-rock propaganda) 
Artist - Erykah Badu 
Video - Erykah Badu NPR Tiny Desk Concert 
Article - Dr. Ben Carson 
Video - Carson 1997 National Prayer Breakfast Speech @ 34:53 
Video - Carson 2013 National Prayer Breakfast Speech @ 34:10

00:00 Intro 
01:05 Part 2 of Dee's Story 
02:34 The Historical Jesus 
04:42 Personal Tragedy and Realizations 
07:34 Why Do People Leave? 
13:47 Empathy for Believers 
21:41 Segregated Conferences 
26:17 Sweden, Racism, and CRT 
32:58 Music and Satanic Panic 
44:00 Dr. Ben Carson 
49:39 Moving to Sweden 
54:02 Ethics and Adventism 
1:05:37 Closing Thoughts
 

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21 Oct 2023S2:E4 - Meet Will: ex-SDA Husband, Dad, Lawyer - Pt. 201:40:01

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Part 2 of 2: Santiago interviews Will James, an ex-Adventist husband, dad, lawyer, and TikToker based in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. We discuss writing wills for SDA church members, Will's deconstruction from Adventism, telling his parents, and navigating his own parental responsibilities after deconstructing at just the right moment.

Topics Mentioned: 
Will's Law Practice Website 
Will's TikTok (@will.i.jam) 
Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher 
Iyanla Vanzant "The past is present" 
Rachel Held Evans (Author) 
Peter Ennes (Author) 
Non-binary Gender 
Singular They 
Left-handedness

Other Episodes Mentioned: 
Melissa Duge Spiers Interview (S1E10 - Part 1) 
Melissa Duge Spiers Interview (S1E11 - Part 2) 

Matthew Vollmer Interview (S1E16 - Part 1) 
Matthew Vollmer Interview (S1E17 - Part 2) 

Race, Slavery, and Racism in Christianity and Adventism (S1E19) 
The Amalgamation of Man and Beast!? (S1E20)

Adventist Estate Stories: 
Bahamian Family Alleges $30 Million Fraud Involving 3ABN 
SDA Church Stealing Estates 
Grandma’s money went to 3ABN

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28 Oct 2023S2:E5 - Adventist "Halloween" or Nah?01:06:52

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Santiago and Saoirse discuss their very different childhood experiences with Halloween and read some stories from the ex-Adventist subreddit. Abby, Ami, and friends talk around a bonfire (bone fire?) about their experiences with Halloween. That last part of the episode is a little loud, but there's some fun stuff if you're patient.

Topics Mentioned: 
Scared Straight | Hell House - How Gay Thou Art Podcast 
The Addams Family - Wikipedia 
Wednesday (Netflix Show) 
The Addams Family (1991 Film) 
Addams Family Values (1993 Film) 
Beetlejuice (1988 Film) 
Killer Klowns From Outer Space (1988 Film)

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04 Mar 2023S1:E8 - Dealing with our SDA Families - Pt. 200:32:50

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Santiago shares a bit more about his experiences after leaving the church and shares a template of the letter he wrote to his parents. Abby, Ami, and Alex talk more about issues with raising your own children when your family wants to proselytize them. They talk about issues with aging parents, and whether people are happier with or without religion, regardless of whether it’s true.

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Recent stories from listeners like you:

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20 May 2023S1:E18 - Cherie: ex-SDA Body Image Coach on Purity Culture, Food, & More01:41:40

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Santiago interviews Cherie Marie, a body image coach, BodyBarre instructor, and former 4th generation Adventist who grew up in California, Ohio, and Berrien Springs, Michigan. We discuss food, purity culture, and much more including overcoming challenges with food and body image. Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes
 

Cherie's Info:

To claim a 90-minute session with Cherie, send her a Direct Message on Instagram and mention the promo code "Hell"

Instagram - alchemy1.0

TikTok - cheriemaried

 

Other topics mentioned:

Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking

Eve Was Framed - Instagram

Gabor Maté - Wikipedia 

Sex and Sensibility

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31 Mar 2024S2:E10 - From Youth Rusher to Ex-Adventist - Pt. 200:48:52

Support the Show • Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Andres Pichinte (They/Them), a Gen Z ex-Adventist who went from fundamentalist Adventism and going door to door for two summers with Youth Rush, to exploring esotericism and now Orthodox Christianity. We discussed the sales tactics used by Youth Rush, the books they sold and beliefs they encountered, misadventures in door-to-door evangelism, and more.
 

Resources / Topics Mentioned:

Andres' Website & Bio 
Youth Rush Article - Spectrum Magazine

00:00 - Haystacks & Hell Intro
00:34 - Youth Rush Canvassing Sales Tactics
06:49 - Books and Beliefs
20:58 - Misadventures in Door-to-Door Evangelism
25:39 - From Fast Food to Film School
32:04 - Embracing Diversity and Finding Acceptance
37:28 - Exploring Orthodoxy
46:06 - Closing Thoughts
48:12 - Haystacks & Hell Outro

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04 Jan 2023Podcast Trailer00:01:43

Were you ever part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church or exposed to fundamentalist Christianity in general? If so, have we got a show for you (queue the Veggie Tales theme song)!

Haystacks & Hell is an ex-Adventist podcast where we tell stories about growing up Seventh-day Adventist, leaving faith behind, and building new, fulfilling lives.

We'll also unpack topics like:

  • The end of the world
  • Sex, dating, and purity culture
  • Wild quotes from SDA "prophet" Ellen White

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15 Jun 2024S2:E13 - Rosei Quartz: Pastor's Kid turned Content Creator - Pt. 200:58:01

Support the Show • Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Rosei Quartz, a former Seventh-day Adventist pastor's kid, content creator, and Twitch streamer. In this episode, we cover more of Rosei's deconstruction, finding contentment and a new outlook on life, complementarianism, consent, mental health, becoming a content creator, and more.

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 
Links - Rosei Quartz's Links 
Podcast - Rosei Quartz's Podcast 
Topic - Complementarianism 
Topic - Attachment Styles 
Topic - Bill Gothard's "Umbrella of Protection" 
Reddit - ex-SDA comments on Gothard's Umbrella 
Topic - The FRIES Model of Consent 
Book - #ChurchToo: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find Healing 
Topic - Youth Wilderness / Troubled Teen Industry 
Topic - SWERF Definition 
Topic - BITE Model of Authoritarian Control 
Topic - Adventist GC "Human Sexuality Task Force" 
Podcast - S1B2 - Human Sexuality Task Force 
Topic - Weaponized Incompetence 
Podcast - The Dream (Examining MLMs)

00:00 Intro
00:17 Rosei's Deconstruction
05:16 Contentment and New Worldview
13:47 Complementarianism Hurts Everyone
20:36 Purity Culture & Consent
22:10 Journey into Online SW
28:10 Work is Work
32:27 Online SW vs. Traditional Work
36:33 SWERFs vs. Autonomy
45:04 Adventist Leadership
52:52 Advice for Leaving the Church
55:20 Where to Find Rosei 
57:22 Outro

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06 May 2023S1:E16 - Matthew Vollmer: Writer, Professor, & Ted Wilson's Nephew - Pt. 101:33:03

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Santiago interviews Matthew Vollmer, an ex-Adventist writer and English professor at Virginia Tech who just so happens to be the nephew of Ted Wilson, the current President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.

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Matthew's Links:

Book - All of Us Together in the End

Essay - This I Believed

Website / Bio

 

Books Mentioned:

The Doctor and the Damned - Albert Haas

Armageddon - Bart D. Ehrman

The Bible Tells Me So - Peter Enns

The Sins of Scripture - John Shelby Spong

Why Christianity Must Change or Die - John Shelby Spong

Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu

 

Other Topics Mentioned:

Albert Haas and Mauthausen

Music from Matthew's friend John Ringhofer


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25 Feb 2023S1:E7 - Dealing with our SDA Families - Pt. 101:03:23

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Santiago reads the letter he wrote to his parents about leaving the church and faith behind. Ami, Abby, and Alex talk about dealing with family who are still in the church. They talk about issues with the previous generation, as well as issues with raising kids and the next generation.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Coming Out Atheist: How to Do It, How to Help Each Other, and Why - by Greta Christina

Template Letter to Seventh-day Adventist Parents

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03 Jun 2023S1:E20 - The Amalgamation of Man and Beast!? Season 1 Finale01:14:31

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For the final episode of Season 1,  Santiago does a deep dive on the "amalgamation" quotes. Abby and Ami talk about bigotry in the Seventh-Day Adventist church and particularly in the southern United States culture of the church. The conversation covers racism, homophobia, dating, trans issues, segregated conferences, and "the amalgamation of man and beast."

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Sources Mentioned:

2021 Poll: 94% of Americans Approve of Interracial Marriage

"Base Crime" Definition from 1858 Dictionary

Racist book from 1867: The Negro, what is his ethnological status?

Uriah Smith's Defense of Ellen White's Amalgamation Quotes

James White promoting Uriah Smith's Book

Adventist Responses:

Adventist Today - Was Ellen White an Infallible Theologian?

Dr. Benjamin Baker - Ellen White on Amalgamation

Terrie Aamodt (59:00), Benjamin Baker (1:32:30) on Amalgamation

Ellen White Estate - Amalgamation by Francis D. Nichol

Tunkhannock SDA Church on Amalgamation 

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28 May 2023S1:E19 - Race, Slavery, and Racism in Christianity and Adventism01:01:44

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Santiago covers a brief history of race, slavery, and racism in the context of Christianity and Adventism. We look at the Bible, Ellen White's writings, and the history of how the Adventist church created a segregated conference system in the United States. Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes

Race, Pseudoscience, and Science

Adam Hochman - Is ‘race’ modern?

Gregory Slack - The Medieval Origins of 'Race'

Historical origins of racial classification

Limpieza de sangre

Scientific Racism

National Academies - Stop using race

Did Evolutionary Theory Cause Genocide?

Charles Darwin on Racism, Slavery, and Eugenics


Racism within Christianity and Adventism

Christian views on slavery

Christian abolitionism

'The Curse of Ham': Slavery and the Old Testament

German and Austrian churches apologize for Holocaust actions

Adventism’s White Supremacy

Why are there Regional Conferences?

Protest & Progress Speech - Dr. Calvin B. Rock

A House on Fire Panel Discussion

​James Kemuel Humphrey

Byard, Lucille (1877–1943)


Reparations

Reparations for slavery in the United States

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Forty acres and a mule

Ellen White on Reparations


Recommended Reading

A House on Fire

Protest & Progress

Seventh-day Adventists and the Civil Rights Movement

How to Be an Antiracist

How to Raise an Antiracist

How to Be a (Young) Antiracist

Antiracist Baby


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14 Apr 2023"Human Sexuality Task Force" S1 Bonus 200:18:19

Bonus episode discussing an upcoming "Human Sexuality Taskforce" announced by Ted Wilson, President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. Why talk about this? Because I care about the current and former Adventists who will be affected by this. Apparently the GC's homophobia is not clear enough, so they will be producing media to double down on this.

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Sources:

Original video on YouTube

Spectrum Magazine: General Conference Response

Spectrum Magazine: Ethical Dissent

Washington Adventist University Summit

Adventist Today: SDA Support of Ugandan Anti-LGBT Bill

1987 GC Statement on Sexual Behavior
 

Relevant Info:

BITE Model of Authoritarian Control

The Cut: Exposing FGM (Female Genital Mutilation)

SDA Kinship
 

Relevant Episodes:

S1 Episode 4: When Did You Learn About Sex?

S1 Episode 5: Did You Ever Get "The Talk?"

 


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14 May 2023S1:E17 - Matthew Vollmer: Writer, Professor, & Ted Wilson's Nephew - Pt. 201:27:32

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Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Matthew Vollmer, an ex-Adventist writer and English professor at Virginia Tech who just so happens to be the nephew of Ted Wilson, the current President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.

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Matthew's Links:

Book - All of Us Together in the End

Essay - This I Believed

Essay - The Man With Two Heads

Website / Bio

Books Mentioned:

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are - Alan Watts

The Denial of Death - Ernest Becker

Other Topics Mentioned:

TikTok - Rachel Klinger Cain

The Road Not Taken - Robert Frost

The Architecture of Doom

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11 Mar 2023S1:E9 - Interview: Meet the ex-SDA Survey Team (Eighth-day Freedom)01:33:06

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Santiago interviews the research team behind the ex-Adventist survey and research project called Eighth-day Freedom: Dr. Tom Arcaro, Dr. Duane McClearn, and Jeff, an ex-Adventist originally from Michigan.

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01 Apr 2023S1:E12 - Did You Read Forbidden Books?00:53:58

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Ami, Abby, and Misty talk about worldly literature, fiction, and the church. They discuss their experiences with forbidden books and the Adventist attitude towards fiction in general, and ask their friends if they read any forbidden books.
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30 Sep 2023S2:E1 - Meet Erika: ex-SDA Teacher, Mom, Survivor of Abuse01:36:23

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Santiago interviews Erika Miller, an ex-SDA teacher, mom, and survivor of abuse. As a young child, Erika was abused by a deacon's son at her home church. She shares her amazing story of resilience, attending Newbold College in the UK, and eventually leaving the Adventist church.

Resources Mentioned: 
Erika's email: swimlass [at] gmail.com 
Therapists and Mental Health Resources 
Unbelievable - Netflix Show 

The Netflix show linked above is not about Erika's story, but it's linked here as we briefly discussed Erika’s desire to go into law (timecode 44:32). She was discouraged by her parents, who said the legal profession isn't suitable for a Christian woman. I mentioned the show because it’s based on a true story of a serial r*pist who got away with his crimes in part by committing them in different cities or counties, and the police departments didn’t share any information with each other.

The show centers on a woman who was the most recent victim and spoke to the police, but the two male detectives who questioned her didn’t believe her and ultimately gaslit her into recanting her testimony. It wasn’t until a female detective began noticing a pattern and believed the victim that they finally were able to put the pieces together and catch the r*pist.

The show is relevant because it illustrates how discouraging women from entering certain professions has put us at a disadvantage, and why listening to victims is incredibly important.

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18 Mar 2023S1:E10 - Meet ex-SDA Writer Melissa Duge Spiers - Pt. 101:01:06

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Santiago interviews Melissa Duge Spiers, AKA Deconstruction Auntie. Melissa is an award-winning memoirist, screenwriter, and essayist based in Silicon Valley, California. She grew up as a 4th generation Adventist, got baptized at 12, and left the church after high school. This is Part 1 of a 2 part conversation.

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11 Feb 2023S1:E6 - Growing up Gen Z and Adventist: Interview with Miguel01:39:09

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Santiago interviews his Gen Z brother Miguel about growing up Gen Z and Seventh-day Adventist. We laugh about sex ed, bananas, and fleeing their home in the middle of the night.

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Ray Comfort on the banana

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22 Apr 2023S1:E14 - Meet Kyle: Future Pastor turned Agnostic Atheist02:08:05

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Santiago interviews Adam Kyle Jones, an ex-Adventist who studied to become a Seventh-day Adventist pastor at the SDA school Oakwood University. Kyle went from being a lifelong fundamentalist, conservative Adventist to an agnostic atheist. We cover his upbringing, deconversion, depression, and how he came out stronger on the other side.

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08 Jun 2024S2:E12 - Rosei Quartz: Pastor's Kid turned Content Creator - Pt. 101:14:53

Support the Show • Santiago interviews Rosei Quartz, a former Seventh-day Adventist pastor's kid, content creator, and Twitch streamer. Rosei shares her Adventist upbringing, the pressures of parasocial relationships, and the high expectations placed upon her as a pastor’s kid. We cover her journey out of Adventism and how studying psychology played a big role.

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 
Links - Rosei Quartz's Links 
Podcast - Rosei Quartz's Podcast
Podcast - Armchair Expert - Cults (Rosei starts at 50:08)
Topic - Complementarianism
Book - #ChurchToo: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find Healing
Topic - LARPing
Topic - Startle Response
Topic - Cry Nights
Topic - Hypervigilance & Hyperawareness
Topic - Terror Management Theory
Topic - Thought-terminating cliché
Podcast - H&H S1:E4 - When Did You Learn About...
Playlist - Debunking Young Earth Creationism

00:00 Intro
00:13 Meet Rosei Quartz
01:17 SDA Family History & Early Memories
04:31 Sabbath Mornings
07:33 Pastor's Kid Pressures
17:48 Spiritual Manipulation & Content Creation
26:49 Health Message & Ellen White
30:28 "Spiritual Warfare" & Psychology
38:28 Terror Management Theory
41:55 Why Rosei Left Adventism
43:35 Harmful Beliefs & Pseudoscience
55:12 Crossing Ethical Boundaries
57:46 Ethics & Behavior Modification
1:00:37 High Demand Religion & Mental Health
1:05:11 Personal Growth Outside the Church
1:14:14 Outro

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26 Jan 2023Stories From Listeners Like You - S1 Bonus 100:15:36

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Santiago reads stories shared by listeners of the podcast: A woman who left the conservative fringes of Adventism, a trans woman from Puerto Rico, and someone who was raised in the SDA Reform Church.

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29 Apr 2023S1:E15 - Haystacks & Hope: Mutual Aid and Other Announcements00:21:30

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Santiago announces updates to the resources linked on the Haystacks & Hell website, a new mutual aid project, and a call-to-action to help fellow listeners of the podcast.

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25 Mar 2023S1:E11 - Meet ex-SDA Writer Melissa Duge Spiers - Pt. 200:59:36

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Part 2 of Santiago's conversation with Melissa Duge Spiers, an award-winning memoirist, screenwriter, and essayist based in Silicon Valley, California. They cover Melissa's journey with therapy after leaving the church, her current projects, and more.

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14 Jan 2023S1:E2 - Do You Believe in an Afterlife?01:11:07

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Santiago, Ami, and Abby talk about death, heaven, hell, and Adventist eschatology. Abby and Ami ask their friends the vital question: Were you taught that animals go to heaven?

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09 Dec 2023S2:E9 - From Youth Rusher to Ex-Adventist - Pt. 101:04:03

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Santiago interviews Andres Pichinte (They/Them), a Gen Z ex-Adventist who went from fundamentalist Adventism and going door to door for Youth Rush (for two summers), to exploring esotericism and now Orthodox Christianity. We talk about growing up Adventist, being surrounded by conspiracy theories, and moments that made them question their Adventist faith.

Resources / Topics Mentioned: 
Andres' Website & Bio 
The Hairbrush Song - Silly Songs with Larry 
His Cheeseburger - Love Songs with Mr. Lunt 
Youth Rush Article - Spectrum Magazine

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29 Jan 2023S1:E4 - When Did You Learn About Sex?01:08:47

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We discuss John Harvey Kellogg, early Seventh-day Adventist attitudes towards sex, more modern attitudes, and our own experiences with sex education growing up in the church. Ami asks her friends: When did you learn what sex was?

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