Global Governance Podcast (Global Governance Forum)

The world faces multiple crises across different fronts. Climate change and the associated temperature rise will interact in noxious ways with biodiversity, pollution, and the global economy. This is no time for incremental change; indifference is not an option.

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Our response to the challenges of climate change needs a significant boost; we need to do more and move more rapidly if we are to forestall its calamitous consequences. Stockholm+50 later this year will provide a unique opportunity to do so.

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Drawing on a lifetime of experience advising governments on tackling corruption our guest addresses some of the critical questions of development, from poverty, education and opportunity to the question of life’s purpose and the development of human potential.

Robert Klitgaard is a distinguished academic and educator and a sought-after adviser to governments on issues of corruption and other vital questions of economic development. A prolific and successful author, he has in recent years explored other questions which build on his professional insights and address perhaps the most fundamental question of development: how to release our inner forces to catalyze the development of our latent capacities in a way that will be beneficial to us and mankind. 

Robert Klitgaard's latest book:

• Prevail: How to Face Upheavals and Make Big Choices with the Help of Heroes

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Johan Rockström is one of the world’s leading authorities on the impact of climate change. In a broad ranging interview with Ambassador Amanda Ellis, he highlights the importance of the removal of energy subsidies and the introduction of a carbon tax, the need for accountability and the development of monitoring mechanisms for emissions reductions promises, which should become legally binding. We also need to develop carbon markets for nature—beyond fossil fuels—and to embed greater fairness and equity in the way we address climate change globally.  

Climate change is the most important and sizeable shock to the earth and its ecosystems. Our guest argues convincingly that scientists, policymakers and the business community must work together to translate biosphere boundaries into operational targets that create guardrails for the future evolution of the global economy.

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Thomas G. Weiss is a distinguished scholar at the CUNY Graduate Center who as past president of the International Studies Association, chair of the Academic Council on the United Nations System, editor of the journal Global Governance, and Research Director of the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty has written extensively about global governance, international peace and security, humanitarian action, and sustainable development. In this broad-ranging interview he makes a compelling case for the need to urgently reinforce the crumbling foundations of our global order to mitigate the risks of destabilizing shocks to our economic, social and political systems. 

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Michael Mandelbaum has spent several decades thinking about the major global problems that we face, and his writings and opinions have been an invaluable source of insight, understanding and wisdom. Whether it is the future of war as an instrument of state power, the role of the UN in providing peace and security, how to patch up our crumbling nuclear order or the role of technology in accelerating the transition to a renewable energy economy, the analysis is always cogent, the arguments persuasive, all supported by a profound understanding of history. In this interview professor Mandelbaum is original and convincing, contributing to enhance and sharpen our understanding of the complexities of today´s security landscape.

Check out Michael Mandelbaum's latest book The Four Ages of American Foreign Policy: Weak Power, Great Power, Superpower, Hyperpower.

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Olga Tokariuk is a distinguished independent journalist and researcher based in Kyiv, Ukraine. She writes mainly about Ukrainian politics, international affairs, and the role of disinformation and its impact on democracies worldwide. In a compelling interview with our host Augusto Lopez-Claros, Ms. Tokariuk talks about life in war-torn Ukraine, why Russia sees Ukraine and the West as security threats, and the role disinformation and propaganda play in Russia's campaign to disseminate a false narrative about the war. She comments on the end game in this war, both for Russia and Ukraine and why so much is at stake for our rules-based global order on the outcome of this war. Speaking with a rare combination of coherent arguments based on historical facts and a forceful voice, she comes across as an impressively effective spokesperson for the 44 million Ukrainians currently trying to survive the evils of unprovoked Russian aggression and violence.

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Dr. Margarita Konaev is Deputy Director of Analysis and a Research Fellow at Georgetown University’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET). She is interested in military applications of AI and Russian military innovation. She has written extensively on international security, armed conflict, non-state actors and urban warfare in the Middle East, Russia and Eurasia. In a broad-ranging interview with our host Augusto Lopez-Claros she explores the changing nature of warfare and what this will mean for global security, for the international legal framework underpinning the conduct of war, and whether war will remain a permanent feature of the geopolitical landscape. Important insights in perilous times.

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Maria Joao Rodrigues, the current President of the Foundation for European Progressive Studies in Brussels, made the transition from Employment Minister in Portugal in the government of Antonio Guterres to the European Council and the European Parliament. For the past two decades she has taken part in some of the key debates within the European Union about the process of integration, from enlargement and deepening of the Union, to the development of strategies aimed at boosting the region’s growth prospects and competitiveness, to its broader role in the world. In this podcast with our host Augusto Lopez-Claros she argues that “there are different ways to respond to today´s challenges: paralysis, competition, cooperation or coordination for upward convergence. The European Union can play a key role in influencing which road is taken, but it must start with itself. It must assert itself as a full-fledged political entity, with economic, social and cultural dimensions,” all in context of respect for democratic norms. 

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Dr. Tad Daley has been thinking about some of the greatest challenges of our time and his first book, Apocalypse Never, was a trenchant analysis of how to rid the world of nuclear weapons and the accompanying mechanisms of international cooperation that would make that goal achievable within our lifetimes. Like Dante more than 700 years ago, he believes that we need to set aside centuries of violence and war as instruments of state policy. We need to move to a world in which the energies and resources now dedicated to enforcing the rapidly eroding principle of national sovereignty need to give way to concerted institution building in pursuit of common global interests in a context of sustainable peace and security. A concept of peace that goes beyond simply the absence of war. In this podcast Dr Daley discusses the obstacles and challenges we face to implement that vision and how to get there.

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There is an urgent need to think imaginatively about changing incentives and channeling financial resources to fund the transition to a renewable energy economy. We are falling short although we have the instruments to do it. Much is at stake if we fail.

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In her book Hot, Hungry Planet: The Fight to Stop a Global Food Crisis in the Face of Climate Change, Lisa Palmer analyzed the challenges we face in global food security as they relate to climate change. Over the next decade we are likely to see continued population growth, an acceleration in global warming, the intensification of a water crisis, and an increase in the incidence of civil unrest associated with these trends. What are some of tools at our disposal to increase the resilience of our interconnected food systems? This podcast is an insightful look at the role of technology, a greater focus on women and girls’ education that is relevant to their local needs, and the need for greater international cooperation for a problem that will be disruptive everywhere, with particularly dire implications for the developing world. 

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In an insightful interview Daniel Deudney, a distinguished author and teacher, likens the possession of nuclear weapons to owning a house in which we have placed boxes of dynamite with short fuses and given someone the authority, under some circumstances, to blow up the house. Except that, in the nuclear age, with much better knowledge about the lethal environmental consequences of the use of nuclear weapons, not only do we destroy our home, but we make the grounds on which it is built unlivable for us and for future generations. How do we get out of this madness, how do we walk away from this dangerous gamble?

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Maria Fernanda Espinosa, Susana Malcorra and Jody Williams have decades of combined experience in enriching the global debates on how to enhance the effectiveness of our mechanisms of international cooperation and innovate in ways that contribute to buttress our tottering global order. In this wide-ranging interview, before an audience of some 600 students and faculty at one of Spain´s leading universities, they discuss the aftermath of COVID, the meaning of human security, the climate emergency, our unraveling nuclear order, leadership in the 21st century, the future of the United Nations and more. 

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Professor Jeffrey Knopf, with the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in California and with the Center on International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University explains why we can no longer rely only on deterrence, the nuclear taboo, arms control agreements and good luck. He argues that we must examine the psychological and societal aspects of maintaining nuclear peace. This is essential in a world of deeply entrenched nationalisms and autocratic leaders in many countries who can no longer be relied upon to be motivated by long-standing social norms that have contributed to keep nuclear peace for nearly 80 years.

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Kerstin Carlson is a professor of international law in Denmark at Roskilde University, as well as The American University of Paris. In this podcast she addresses a number of vital questions for the future of international criminal law. Can international criminal justice institutions remain broadly apolitical bodies? How does one reconcile a paradox at the center of the practice of international criminal law between the concepts of “progress” and “justice,” with the latter concept rooted on the idea that international law promises the end of impunity and a more just world? What is the importance of national discourse and cultural norms regarding the effectiveness of international criminal tribunals?  And what role can specialized courts, such as a possible International Anti-Corruption Court, play in advancing international justice?

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Michael Penn, a professor of psychology and a trained clinical psychologist, explores the evolution of the concept of human rights over the past century and discusses why the unfoldment of a culture of respect for the dignity of the individual is essential to catalyse the creation of conditions in societies that will contribute to human development. Why should the primary role of government be linked to the creation of those conditions that will facilitate the development of people’s latent capacities? Why should we include in our educational systems the concept of altruism and why is authenticity in human relationships at the basis of human progress? How can people avoid becoming stuck in hopelessness and instead feel that they are contributing to building up a sustainable future that will not sap people´s zest for life?

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Cedric Ryngaert is the Chairman of the Department of International and European Law at Utrecht University and the Editor-in-Chief of the Netherlands International Law Review. In this podcast he explores the role of an International Anti-Corruption Court (IACC) as a potentially powerful innovation to our global governance architecture.  The IACC would be an enforcement mechanism for laws which are already in existence, but which often are ignored by kleptocrats who control the judges, the prosecutors, and the police. How would the IACC operate and under what principles? Would the court have asset recovery powers, to seize stolen assets and return them to the people who are the victims of grand corruption?  Could the IACC act even in cases of countries no subject to its jurisdiction? Is sustainable development, as envisaged in the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, possible without the eradication of kleptocratic abuse?

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Fernando Iglesias is a member of Parliament in Argentina and the Director of the Campaign for a Latin American and Caribbean Criminal Court Against Transnational Organized Crime (COPLA). Pervasive organized crime in the region is a huge drag on social and economic development, has led to sky-high levels of violent crime, as the mafias that fuel drug trafficking, money laundering and bribery operate in many countries with impunity in a context of weak states and scant respect for the rule of law. COPLA could be an instrument to enforce the United Nations Convention Against Transnational Organized Crime, also called the Palermo Convention. Iglesias discusses why COPLA is needed, the challenges of establishing a court in a region where free and powerful mafias have often captured the politicians and other public institutions. What is at stake in a region that, over the past 2 decades, has had one of the weakest economic growth performances in the world and what role has organized crime played in this outcome?

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Steven Phelps is an American physicist, philosopher and translator holding a Ph.D. in Physics, with a specialization in cosmology, from Princeton University. For over a decade he held a research position in the Physics Department at Technion University in Israel and published original research on the masses of nearby galaxies. He is thus singularly well qualified to explain why science and religion are deeply interconnected aspects of a single reality and how can a better understanding of such connections help unlock human potential and point the way to improved systems of global governance, better aligned with humanity’s spiritual and material progress. 

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Michael Mandelbaum, a distinguished author with seminal contributions to a better understanding of some of the world´s most intractable problems, discusses why we are failing in our efforts to protect the planet from the calamities of climate change and what to do about it. He also analyzes our unsettled global security situation and the risks for an acceleration of nuclear proliferation and the implications of this for world peace. He comments on the role that the United Nations can play in reconciling national interests with those of the international community, at a time of growing interdependence and interconnectedness. In this interview professor Mandelbaum is articulate and cogent, helping us better understand the background and origins of the great challenges of our age, as an important step to help us frame durable solutions.  

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Andrew Strauss, Dean and Professor of Law at the University of Dayton School of Law, and a graduate of Princeton University’s School of Public and International Affairs discusses why setting up a global parliament, perhaps initially by a core group of 20-30 countries, would significantly strengthen the democratic legitimacy of the system that underpins our mechanisms of international cooperation. It could be a powerful antidote to the world-wide spread of ethno-nationalist-authoritarianism and be a catalyst for strengthening a “holistic planetary consciousness, sensitive to the practical urgency of human unity.”

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Rebecca Shoot, Executive Director of Citizens for Global Solutions, a US-based organization closely aligned with the ideals of the world federalist movement, is an international lawyer and democracy and governance practitioner with extensive experience supporting human rights, democratic processes, and the rule of law on five continents. In a wide ranging interview, she discusses our climate emergency, the need to give the United Nations a greater role in advancing disarmament, the role of the International Court of Justice in the peaceful settlement of international disputes and how to boost the role of women in global security initiatives. The role of youth in helping us bring about a more hopeful future is also an important core message.

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Arunabha Ghosh, an internationally recognized public policy expert, author and columnist is the founder-CEO of the Council on Energy, Environment and Water (CEEW), one of Asia's top climate think-tanks. In numerous reports, articles and speeches, Dr. Ghosh has convincingly argued that confronting the challenges of climate change will require better policies at the national level and massive levels of cooperation between government and businesses and between nation states across international borders. We will need to address the linkages between the growth of renewable energy and our changing geopolitical landscapes, the role of investment and finance in creating a green future, and persuade ourselves that pessimism at the lack of progress in reducing emissions is not an option. A green future is not an end in itself, but rather the means to an end: a more prosperous and secure future for all. The time to act is now.

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Sundeep Waslekar is a distinguished social scientist who has thought a great deal about the causes and the instruments of war and the risks they pose to the future of humankind. He is the recent author of A World Without War, a book published by HarperCollins in which he argues that while the risks of nuclear holocaust have perhaps never been higher, we can reverse course and not commit collective suicide. We need to abandon narrow-minded nationalisms and develop dual loyalties to our nation and the world, where the problems we face required a renewed unity of purpose. In this podcast he convincingly makes the case that “It is possible to turn death into life. It is possible to convert violence into peace. It is possible to transform darkness into light. It is possible to change despair into hope. It is possible to end wars and unite the world.”

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As co-president of the Club of Rome Sandrine Dixson-Declève is singularly well-qualified to speak to the major challenges we confront today and on which, in the search for solutions, we need much stronger levels of international cooperation. Widening income disparities have started to undermine social and political stability, the needs of the extremely poor are not being met, and we are failing to stem the worst consequences of climate change. There is no shortage of solutions, from better use of the tax system to lower income inequality, to the phasing out of wasteful energy and other subsidies, to the use of innovative instruments to finance the transition to a green economy. What is lacking is enlightened leadership, more in tune with the needs of the many, a greater focus on longer-term solutions not driven by short-term profit considerations, and the recognition that the economic and political empowerment of women is vital for the creation of a more secure and stable world.

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Daniel Perell currently serves as a co-chair of the Steering Group of the Coalition for the UN We Need, an umbrella group of civil society organizations that are collaborating to modernize the UN system, to better adapt it to the needs of the 21st century. He is thus extremely well-qualified to share insights into the forthcoming UN Summit of the Future and the extent to which it might become a catalyst for future transformational innovations, desperately needed in a world increasingly destabilized by climate change, entrenched nationalisms, persistent poverty and inequality and other such global challenges. In this wide-ranging podcast, he shares keen insights on the way forward and how to make the transition from reaffirming important principles embedded in the UN Charter to implementing a broader and more ambitious vision of reforms that will deliver actual solutions to the problems we face. 

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As the most recent Chief Scientist at the World Health Organization Soumya Swaminathan was on the forefront of the international response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Because of her distinguished background in policymaking spanning more than 30 years of experience bringing science and evidence into the formulation of effective actions to address fundamental issues of public health, Dr Swaminathan brings a wealth of insights into a conversation about the lessons learned from the pandemic and how to prepare for the next one. Viruses against which we have no natural immunity will continue to be a major risk factor in coming years and, against the huge human and economic costs of COVID-19, we need to internalize those lessons and come together as one whole human family, preparing responses that will be science-based but that will also leave no one behind because we live in an interconnected world in which our health and the health of others are fully interdependent.

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Anthony Annett is an economist who spent two decades at the International Monetary Fund, including as speechwriter to the Managing Director. In an insightful podcast based on his book Cathonomics: How Catholic Tradition Can Create a More Just Economy he argues that we need to take a fresh look at the policies, priorities, and institutions that underpin our current economic system. These are no longer working for the common good. Inequality is corroding the foundations of our societies and beginning to have harmful consequences for our social and political order. On many fronts, our economic systems are on an unsustainable path, and this is in part due to the absence of moral principles and an ethic of solidarity that might be guiding lights when designing policies and approaches to economics aiming for the common good.

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Wendy Broadgate is a distinguished scientist who has worked in Earth system science and the science-policy interface for two decades. She is therefore singularly well-qualified to address the question of the dangers we face because of inadequate action to set our climate system within safe and just boundaries. Public support for more robust action to put the Earth on a more sustainable path is broad-based; what is lacking is political will and a better understanding of our collective intergenerational responsibilities. The costs of inaction will be orders of magnitude larger than acting now, including by rethinking the economic growth imperative of our current economic paradigm. Action is needed now; there is no shortage of knowledge. It needs to be complemented by enlightened political leadership. 

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Michael Mandelbaum has written a fascinating book examining the role of major political leaders in shaping our recent history, for better or for worse. He is a highly regarded author with an insightful understanding of the factors that have shaped conflict and progress over the past century. Some of the titans featured in this podcast based on his book operated within democratic settings and left democracy stronger than they had found it, while others, tyrants with diseased minds, tended towards coercion rather than persuasion when exercising power and contributed to making the 20th century a blood-soaked century, without parallel in terms of human suffering. In an age of rising authoritarianism, this podcast delivers important warnings for our collective future.

You can find Michael Mandelbaum's new book on Amazon or your local bookstore.

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Gerardo Bugallo was Spain's Ambassador in Ukraine during the critical years 2013-17, a crucial period that spanned from the Euromaidan to the first years after the annexation of Crimea. In this podcast interview he shares fascinating insights on the end of the Cold War, the origins of the current conflict, the possibilities of a fair settlement that would permit Ukraine to develop as a sovereign nation enjoying peace and security and stronger ties with the EU, consistent with the principles of non-violence embedded in the UN Charter. He also discusses China's emergence as a global geopolitical actor and the role it could play in the current environment of international big-power tensions. A thoughtful diplomat ably navigating our labyrinthine geopolitical realities. 

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Professor Sonia Sanchez Diaz is a highly regarded analyst of the crisis in the Middle East, widely respected for her objectivity, impartiality and incisive analysis, which builds on a deep understanding of the region´s troubled history, its institutions, and peoples. In this podcast she examines developments over the past couple of years and what it means for regional stability and security. Her perceptive analysis casts light on many of the underlying factors underpinning the conflict and she makes a strong case that empowering its women will be an important part of the solution.

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Sundeep Waslekar eloquently explains why current nationalisms and our obsession with the primacy of the nation state are not able to deliver practical solutions to the problems that threaten our future as a human family. In addition to reforms to our current UN-based global governance architecture we also need a new philosophical and ethical framework that is consistent with the idea that we are one human family, inhabiting one planet and that our survival as a human species is inextricably linked to the recognition of our common humanity. Without this anchoring based on enlightened human values, we risk being overwhelmed by multiple crises and the resulting human suffering. We must imagine a better future and take the concrete steps to get there.

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A kleptocracy is a form of government in which the leaders use their power to steal money and resources from the country that they rule. In many countries around the world this type of mass corruption goes almost completely unchallenged. But what if it didn’t? What if in the not too distant future, there was a high court tasked with prosecuting the kleptocrats of the world in the same way the International Criminal Court prosecutes crimes against humanity.

In our very first episode, we are going to explore what that future might look like with our guest, the Honorable Judge Mark Wolf. Mark is a Senior District Judge in the United States for the District of Massachusetts. He has long advocated for an International Anti-Corruption Court to root out corruption at the highest levels.

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The year 2020 marked a very important milestone for the United Nations— its 75th anniversary. Overshadowed in many ways by the catastrophic effects of the global pandemic and an apparent backstep in global cooperation, this momentous occasion served as a stark reminder of the need for increased multilateralism. A reminder that, while the 75 years of accomplishments by the UN have been noble and great, there is still much work to be done. 

In this episode we will explore what the UN has done right, how they got some things wrong and where they are going next with a very special guest: Under Secretary General at the United Nations, Fabrizio Hochschild. Fabrizio started his long and rich career at the UN in 1988 and after almost 33 years of experience he was selected by Secretary General António Guterres to be the Special Adviser on the commemoration of the UN’s 75th Anniversary.

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Today, we are pleased to welcome a thinker and scholar who is a master at communicating the complex in a simple and relatable way. Branko Milanovic served as lead economist in the World Bank's research department for twenty years and has had teaching appointments at the University of Maryland, Johns Hopkins and currently is a Visiting President Professor at City University of New York. Branko and I will discuss the state of income inequality today, the impact of COVID-19, universal basic income and more.

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In the effort to contribute to the creation of a more peaceful, just and secure world there are few voices that have been as compelling and pioneering as that of our guest today, Richard A. Falk. In this episode, Richard and I will discuss why international cooperation is vital today, COVID-19, and the future of the UN, the EU and global governance as a whole.

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In this episode we sit down with Carolina Sánchez-Páramo to discuss the state of poverty in 2021, inequality of opportunity, the role of women in development, who is shouldering the economic impact of the pandemic, and more. 

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The 75th anniversary of the UN Charter in 2020 unleashed broad- ranging debates about the future of an organization that rose from the chaos and destruction brought about by World War II and was meant to establish a basis for peace, security and prosperity, for a world weary of violence and bloodshed. Despite some achievements, the UN is struggling to find relevance in the 21st century, amidst a plethora of impeding global crises, some of them posing existential threats to our future.

In this episode Andreas Bummel, the co-founder of Democracy Without Borders, sits down with our host Augusto Lopez-Claros to discuss the formation of a collective identity, the world federalist movement, UN democratic legitimacy, the role that a World Parliamentary Assembly could play in revitalizing a process of long-needed reforms and more.

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In a broad ranging discussion Amanda Ellis discusses the progress made over the past quarter century in achieving greater gender equality and why empowering women is the key to a more secure and prosperous world.

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Exploring the link between ethics and values and good governance is vital as we endeavor to find practical solutions to a whole range of unresolved problems currently threatening our future, from climate change to widening income disparities and extreme poverty.

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Few people have a better understanding of the power of the law to engender changes for the better in our troubled world. Whether it is the end of apartheid in South Africa or the establishment of a court to bring criminals to justice, the need for international enforcement mechanisms is vital in a globalized world.

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The Vatican has played a central role in past decades in drawing the attention of the international community to a range of issues which address fundamental questions of human development. Alessio Pecorario provides fascinating insights into the latest thinking.

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A former UN Under-Secretary General and Chief of Staff to the Secretary General explains why women´s empowerment is a vital force for transformation, from UN reform to the future of multilateralism, the response to a global pandemic and global prosperity.

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Corruption has emerged as not only a destroyer of human prosperity but also a threat to our economic, social and political order. This podcast casts light on the causes, the impact and what to do about this malignant force in the 21st century. 

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Nobel Laureate Jody Williams, surveying the many catastrophic risks that threaten our future, makes a powerful case to redefine national security in terms of human welfare rather than the maintenance of military establishments. 

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Massive changes will be needed over the next several years, to our policies, institutions and way of thinking to mitigate the worst effects of climate change. Lack of action will imply the hollowing out of social stability and national security.

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We need to think creatively to enhance the effectiveness of the UN Security Council, to boost its ability to deal with threat multipliers like climate change, and to empower it to become a catalyst in the emergence of mature democracies governed by the rule of law.

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