Exhibitionistas – Conversations about Contemporary Art Exhibitions, Artists & Theory - For Everyone (Joana P. R. Neves )

When small displays convey the biggest experiences and stories.... This episode is dedicated to Lubaina Himid's display of drawings and collages  for her Turner Prize installation Naming the Money at the Royal Academy. As often, but particularly at the RA, exhibition going is full of encounters, idiosyncratic journeys, rushes and meetings.   We explored Himid's biography and other projects, namely her Guardian artist residency. For more information about the project: https://lubainahimid.com/portfolio/naming-the-money/ Enjoy this new episode!  And follow us at @exhibitionistas_podcast. Music by: Sarturn.

Have you ever been to an exhibition that changes your heart rate, slows you down, and inspires you to take a nap with a cat? Such was our experience at Zeinab Saleh's exhibition at the heart of Tate Britain, part of the Art Now program, which welcomes contemporary young artists in one of the many rooms of the museum. We discuss the notion of quiet, how it is dismissed in our culture, and how the artist not only embraces it but also almost magically creates it through mixed media paintings and drawings. A simple setting eliciting mindful dreaming and sheer presence. The exhibition was curated by Amy Emmerson Martin (assistant curator) and Nathan Ladd (curator). For more information visit the Tate's webiste: https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/zeinab-saleh @exhibitionistas_podcast Music: Sarturn

This is a real banger of an exhibition and episode! We explore Tracey Emin's exhibition "I Followed You to the end" at White Cube Bermondsey, open from 19 September to 10 November 2024. But first we go back to the nineties, to the YBA, the Sensation exhibition, and a really hilarious Channel 4 program comically titled "Is Painting Dead?". Follow us on this fascinating journey through Emin's life and work. You will not be disappointed! For more information on the show: https://www.whitecube.com/gallery-exhibitions/tracey-emin-bermondsey-2024 You can follow Tracey Emin's wonderful residency in Margate here: @tracey_emin_artist_residency You can also follow us on Instagram:  @exhibitionistas_podcast And you can, more importantly, become a member of the podcast. We are doing this for free, so we need to step it up with you: https://www.patreon.com/ExhibitionistasPodcast Oh, and if you want to watch the Channel 4 episode Is Painting Dead, go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKHJoLG2cEk Music by Sarturn.

Here we are! Part 2 of our episode dedicated to Yoko Ono's retrospective exhibition at Tate Modern, Music of the Mind. We cannot believe we managed to talk about the exhibition but... we used our imagination, and so will you. Follow us virtually in this exploration of Ono's life and work, and, more importantly, her exhibition. We focus on the highlights (for us) as it would be near impossible to talk about everything. There are so many delightful details and pieces that will speak to everyone differently.  To find out more about it, go to: https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/yoko-ono @yokoono Music: Sarturn. @exhibitionistas_podcast

We are thrilled to welcome Stephen Ellcock to the podcast during his press tour for the book Elements, which completes a trilogy with The Cosmic Dance (2022) and Underworlds (2023), all published by Thames and Hudson. This time, he has gathered images around the ancestral notion of "the elements", seen through the contemporary lens of sustainability and the impending climate tragedy. Is the book an exhibition? And if so, what kind? There is a mystery underlying these questions  which is the statuts and power of images in their different spaces such as galleries or publications. However, this episode is also an opportunity to get to know the image alchemist Stephen Ellcock a bit more. If you don't know Stephen Ellcock's instagram account yet, you should: @stephenellcock Follow us for more images: @exhibitionistas_podcast Support us on our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership Music by Sarturn.

Enjoy this episode about Music for the Mind, a Yoko Ono retrospective exhibition curated by Juliet Bingham and Patrizia Dander, on show at Tate Modern until September 1rst 2024. It was organized by Tate Modern and Kunstsammlung Nordrhein-Westfallen.  https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/yoko-ono Instagram: @yokoono Born in 1933, Yoko Ono lived between three continents, and explored experimental art and music all throughout her life. This exhibition presents us with a lot of her work from the 1950s to today and is extremely collaborative and free. At the ripe age of 91 Yoko Ono is still a creative force that remained, for a great part, uncelebrated. Infamous, even. We hope to deconstruct these biased views and to unfold a rich and bold energy, fully dedicated to art. How did we navigate such a space? How did we connect to the work? What parts of her life touched us the most? Tune in and find out! Music: Sarturn.

In this episode, we explore the medium of photography through the lens - pun intended - of Daidō Moriyama's life work. We visited his exhibition at the Photographer's Gallery and we had very different experiences!  https://thephotographersgallery.org.uk/whats-on/daido-moriyama-retrospective Curators: Thyago Nogueira and Claire Grafik We chat a lot about what it means to look at street photography and what it might feel to be in the photograph itself. What if it was you who were on an exhibition poster? We discuss minimalist and maximalist exhibitions, but, mostly, Moriyama's unfussed and iconoclastic relation with the medium. He is just cool. https://www.moriyamadaido.com/en/ @exhibitionistas_podcast Music: Sarturn

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If Hogarth and Mario Bros had a son, it would be Hardeep Pandhal, the artist whose drawings sprawl on the walls, on paper and on canvas at the Drawing Room until until the 13 April. Half auto-biography, half hybrid character-driven cross-temporal fantasies, one thing is certain, we loved “Inner World”.

If you’re not in London, and you want to know more about the artist, he is represented by Jhaveri Contemporary in Mumbai, who I profusely thank for all the information they sent me.

This time, my two co-hosts, interdisciplinary movement artist Naissa Bjørn and visual artist Constança Saturnino, are YOUNG.  So we have an Gen X versus Gen Z episode. And it’s a delight. 

We talk also talk about: neurodiversity, the spectator experience, drawing, community, aphantasia, dyslexia, synesthesia, contemporary drawing, exhibitions, art galleries.

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A pioneer of experimental cinema, but also conceptual technology (yes, I made this one up), Anthony McCall has built a unique place in the recent history and present of contemporary art. From the UK to the US, from analogue to digital, McCall has created a body of work as playful as it is culturally relevant.

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Believe it or not, this is the first episode dedicated to an exhibition at the Hayward Gallery, a brutalist building Joana and Emily love so much. And what better way to start than with the immersive experience of Haegue Yang's solo show? Even the threshold between the hall and the exhibition space is a happening in "Leap Year", the first survey of the South Korean artist in the UK, open from 9 October 2024 to 5 January 2025. This episode was recorded during the week, late in the afternoon, rather than in our usual time (the early hours of a quiet Sunday) so it may be infused with a certain chaotic energy. Or was it the sensory fest of Yang's art? Tune in to decide for yourself. To know more about the exhibition: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/haegue-yang-leap-year/ Follow Haegue yang on Instagram: @yanghaegue To see images of the exhibition go to our Instagram account: @exhibitionistas_podcast If you want to support us, go to: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership Music by Sarturn.

In this episode we discuss Matthew Krishanu's exhibition The Bough Breaks at Camden Art Centre, a place we adore. We chat about loss, childhood, overlapping times, grief and the colonial residue of authentic relationships filled with love. We didn't always agree but that is the power of exhibitions: we shared diverging experiences, which made the episode even more compelling and at times hilarious. There a few hilarious anecdotes about 80's parenting - or lack thereof. For more information about the exhibition: https://camdenartcentre.org/whats-on/matthew-krishanu-the-bough-breaks Music by Sarturn.

We start this brand new year with an incursion into South Africa, with Zanele Muholi's magnificent solo show at Tate Modern.  Shockingly, Emily and I broke our own rules and actually visited the show together… which turned out to be quite productive.  After a hilarious take on Gladiator II by Emily, we explore Muholi's unique path into activism, photography, curated exhibitions, sculpture, and self-imagery.  Muholi's work focuses on queer communities in South Africa through a form of what the artist calls "visual activism". But there is also self-portraiture, as the artist is part of this LGBTQIA+ diverse fabric. For Muholi, their use of the pronouns they/them goes way beyond gender identity. It recognises past histories, visible and invisible, and identity as multitude. Muholi says 'There are those who came before me who make me.' To know more about the exhibition: https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/zanele-muholi You can follow them on Instagram too: @muholizanele If you'd like to have visual content about the episodes, follow us on Instagram too: @exhibitionistas_podcast You can support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership Music by Sarturn.

Emily is the co-host of this episode about art, transgression, female desire and the male gaze through photo montage, as cultural commentary and self-exploration.

We re-visit the exhibition "Danger Came Smiling" at Hayward Gallery. A punk goddess whose image was used in the Buzzcocks’ EP Orgasm Addict (1977), Linder is an under-exposed contemporary artist. 99p glue, a scalpel, vintage magazines, and she “travel(s) in time”, to bring back cyber domestic goddesses and anachronistic deepfakes. Her work seems to be at its peak, and always timely, as she enters her 7th decade on earth.

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In this third episode, we explore the work of Tania Kovats after having visited her exhibition "as above so below" at Parafin Gallery. We go back to her beginnings and appreciate how far she's come into her exploration of the elements, with a big emphasis on bodies of water. @kovats66 This is the first time we visit a commercial gallery for the podcast and there is some discussion about the advantages of visiting this type of exhibition space.  https://www.parafin.co.uk https://www.parafin.co.uk/exhibitions/2023/exhibitions-2023-tania-kovats There may be some reading as well, as the artist's work led to some new books ! We find out that Kovats' work takes us on a journey into the history of the earth and our own place in it, which means thinking and feeling geologically, politically, socially and even, perhaps, metaphysically...  Music: Sarturn.

We're wrapping up 2024 with a friends & family celebration. And what a year it has been: Exhibitionistas was born. So, to celebrate kinship of all kinds through art, we decided to invite a special guest who has been steeped in art since birth, Joana's daughter, artist and dancer Constança Saturnino. How does growing up with an artist and a curator influence your idea of art? Follow us on Instagram: @exhibitionistas_podcast You can also check out Constança's work on Instagram: @saturn.conch Check out her handpoke tattoo Instagram: @field.trail Or her website: https://www.constancasaturnino.com Please remember to support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership Music by Sarturn.

We are delighted to explore our first ICA show in this episode. We discuss artist and writer Aria Dean's Abattoir U.S.A.!, a videogame inspired video installation and a sculptural work exploring exhibitions and otherness / othering. The theme of the slaughterhouse is a powerful one, and it was treated by Dean in a subtle and powerful way. We also read Dean's book Bad Infinity: Selected Writings (Sternberg Press). It is a philosophical exploration of minimal and contemporary art through the lens of blackness and western thought. There is a theory of representation informed by what we learned to be called Afropessimism.  We go into all of this in this episode, although we may not have understood everything. Such is the magic of exhibitions and books! We go back, and back, and back again.

This episode is dedicated to beloved and prematurely deceased American artist Mike Kelley. The Tate Modern has set up an impressive retrospective, those once-in-a-lifetime exhibitions that you cannot miss if you're in town. So we decided to dig in and bring it to you if you can't make it and enhance your experience if you did. There are opinions, feelings, stories and a cacophonous experience that will leave no one indifferent.  Jack White finally makes an appearance again as we had once promised!  Joana and Emily introduce you to the universe of Mike Kelley, of anarchist and punk teenage and young adult years, who ceaselessly poked at the overwhelming and overpowering world of entertainment. Then they move on to his academic life and career achievements, always marked by a rebellious streak consistently visible in his work about the traps of memory, the failings of education and psychology, and the fine line between fiction and reality. For more about Ghost and Spirit @Tate Modern: https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/mike-kelley-ghost-and-spirit For more about Mike Kelley: https://mikekelleyfoundation.org/grants/overview If you want to support us: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership Instagram: @exhibitionistas_podcast Music by: Sarturn

In this episode, we explore the work and life of Philip Guston, after having visited his exhibition at Tate Modern. Talk about plot twists! Guston's life and exhibitions, even this last travelling one, caused tremendous controversy. But above all, it's his ability to question himself and follow his own ideas that really impressed us. Music: Sarturn

In this episode, we dig into Gerhard Richter's lifetime of painting and his incursions in more conceptual works. We visited his first exhibition at David Zwirner, London, where we discovered drawings, paintings, mirror works and much more.  Our research led us to his beginnings in Dresden and Düsseldorf, in post war GDR and Western Germany.  What is fascinating is how the photographic image is the guiding light in his relation to trauma, to history, to the present but most of all, to painting. Pop Art, Abstract Expressionism, Duchamp, all had an impact on Richter who nevertheless built his own path in the always menaced painting genre throughout the end of the century.  Indeed, how many times was painting declared dead in the 20th century?! Too many to count. We kept our relation to Richter's work personal and fluid (Emily even got to do some reading), as there are so many sources out there for further information, amongst which: the catalogue raisonné published in 2022 by Hatjze Cantz; the Richter Interviews published in 2019 by Heni Publishing; and much more, which you can find here: https://gerhard-richter.com/en/literature Info about the exhibition: https://www.davidzwirner.com/exhibitions/2024/gerhard-richter You can also explore Richter's website: https://gerhard-richter.com/en/ Music: Sarturn

In this episode, Joana P. R. Neves and co-host Liberté Nuti look back on On Kawara's exhibition at David Zwirner Gallery London, Date Paintings (21 November 2024 to 25 January 2025 ).

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They explore the life and work of On Kawara, a significant figure in contemporary art known for his repetitive and conceptual Date Paintings (1966 - 2012).

How do you deal with an artist who did everything he could to reduce life to art, and thus preserve life's unique intangibility? How do you experience a series of works dedicated to the obsessive recording of time through craft?

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"On Kawara is a concept, in himself"

"What else do you want?"

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EXHIBITIONISTAS CELEBRATES ONE YEAR OF PODCASTING! 🍌🍌🍌If you want to give us a birthday present, we have ideas>>>>>For a one-off donation: paypal.me/exhibitionistas [https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/my/profile]For a membership: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership And now the episode. We talk about Lauren Halsey's exhibition at the Serpentine Gallery, curated by Lizzie Carey-Thomas and Chris Bayley. It's a maximalist environment that led us to a discussion about art, freedom, identity, revolution and care. It also allowed us to find out more about the myths and origins of the term Afro-Futurism, which surprised us a great deal.To know more about the exhibition: https://www.serpentinegalleries.org/whats-on/lauren-halsey-emajendat/We also mention Emily's friend, an artist using street signs in her work. Go to Instagram and check her out! @janeroerevolutionMusic by Sarturn.

We go back to The Curve at the Barbican for the first institutional exhibition of Pamela Phatsimo's work in the UK, titled It Will End in Tears. And what an entrance Sunstrum's work is having in London! The exhibition adapts to the demanding shape of The Curve, basically a curved corridor initially designed as a buffer between the auditoriums and the hall, and now a creative exhibition space that Joana and Emily have come to love. Sunstrum involves the viewer in a revised film noir narrative, where the "femme" is perhaps even more "fatale" than usual. To know more about the show: https://www.barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2024/event/pamela-phatsimo-sunstrum-it-will-end-in-tears To follow Sunstrum on Instagram: @pamelaphatsimo Support us on our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/c/ExhibitionistasPodcast Follow the pod, subscribe, and review us!  Follow us on Instagram: @exhibitionistas_podcast Music by @Saturn

Contemporary drawing is one of art's best kept secrets: associated with sound, language and writing, it turns contemporary art into a meditative form of art-making engaging the spectator in a poetic and existential voyage.

The avant-gardes of the 1960s–70s were proliferous in innovative and minimal methods of creativity engaging the breath, the whole body and graphic deconstructions of language. Irma Blank was one of those artists with a subversive take on traditional artistic languages.

Led by Blank's discovery of sound within the daily practice of drawing, this episode is a sonic wandering and a philosophical exploration of the artist's work, engaging with recent technological changes. How can a minimal and poetic practice face such specific issues? What is the role of the artist facing a global net of information which connects us as much as it separates us? And what is the value of communication – and of silence? Irma Blank has taught me that and much more.

Have you ever wondered how artists and curators work together? This episode muses upon the relation between me, a young-ish curator and the artist Irma Blank, who'd reached the age of 80 when we met, along with my co-curator Johana Carrier.

This episode is an excerpt of a lecture given by me on the 3rd of February  2025 at ABK Stuttgart whose title was "The Paper is Impatient", under the invitation of the drawing department, and their teachers Katrin Ströbel and Hanna Hennenkemper.

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00:00 Prologue: A Homage to Irma Blank

02:58 From the Word to the Page: Communication and Silence

07:46 Medium as Message: Baskets and Apples

12:26 Irma Blank: Writing Without Words

17:00 Listen to the Paper: Drawing With Language

22:39 Drawing Rituals: Sounds, Process, Performance and a Higher Realm of the Mind and Body

26:09 Break and Call to Action

If you enjoy Katy Hessel's The Great Women Artists Podcast, this episode is for you. It is centred around the artistic practice of female German artist Irma Blank, who never stopped producing her art, whether it was shown in prestigious events such as the Venice Biennale in 1977, or it wasn't, like when her Radical Writings on canvas were deemed a form of yielding to the 80s trend of the return to painting... whereas Blank was, on the contrary, more militant than ever for her elemental forms of the line and the minimal gesture by deeply engaging with the meditative breath in relation to the line and the colour blue, which for her represented infinity. Blank passed away in 2023, leaving a potent body of work whose incredible energy leaves no spectator or curator indifferent.

This is a different kind of episode... We decided to record smaller formats here and there for you to explore a topic related to exhibitions that everyone thinks is a given. There are no givens for us, we like to question everything.  And we know that unlike cinemas, or bookshops, exhibition galleries can feel intimidating. And we want you to know that an art lover and an art professional can also feel this discombobulating feeling of alienation in exhibiton spaces, which at times, prompts us to feel embarrassed, out of our depth, or even to make a few faux-pas. It happens to everyone, especially, I would say, to exhibitionistas.  And by now, you, dear listener, can consider yourself as such! We are a big community! This is the last episode of this season. We will be back very soon, with a new string of exhibition experiences, and perhaps, who knows, smaller episodes like this one alternating with the big ones. A weekly episode drop?! Who knows, anything is possible. After all, we did start this podcast with innocent and extravagant confidence. And look at us, here we are. @exhibitionistas_podcast exhibitionistaspod@gmail.com Music by Sarturn.

Soufiane Ababri's work took us to The Curve, a difficult space at the Barbican that Ababri worked to his advantage and to the delight of these two exhibitionistas. The artist's work explores notions of diaspora, immigration, colonial trauma, post-colonial issues, queerness and much more. But most of all it is a delightful installation of magnificent drawings for their skilled unskillfulness and their recording of queer love, tenderness, sex and life. The exhibition is called "Their mouths were full of bumblebees but it was me who was pollinated", and it was a commission specifically for the, well, curved space of The Curve.  For more information:  https://www.barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2024/event/soufiane-ababri Follow Soufiane Ababri on Instagram:  @soufianeababri Follow us: exhibitionistas_podcast Music by: Sarturn

What is that we do.

If this was a Friends episode, we would have titled it "The One Where Emily and Joana ask Each Other Questions". But it's not, so we decided to describe it as an origin story: we go back to the reasons why we decided to do this podcast and why it has such a distinctive format: an arts specialist and an exhibition goer candidly discussing solo exhibitions. This intro is a way to ease into this new and promising second season, and to (re)introduce the podcast to our listeners. It's always good to go over the rules of the game. Believe me, you will be reminded that this is a feelings, research and thoughts podcast. (And if you think these don't go together, think again!) Asking each other questions has allowed us to reveal to each other a few things we hadn't discussed, busy, as we were, with actually producing the episodes. There are a few revelations in there, self-explorations and we realise what the podcast brought us, and, by extension, our listeners. Or so we hope! Music: Saturn. Instagram: exhibitionistas_podcast.

This time we went to the Serpentine gallery in Hyde park. What a nice setting for a contemporary art venue. That walk back to the tube is always a slow and ponderous one. We do talk a lot about walks back to the tube after visiting exhibitions in this episode! We visited the retrospective exhibition of the feminist pioneer Judy Chicago, whose blueprint was a hitherto unpublished manuscript, Revelations, inspired by Illuminations and myths of the Goddess. You can purchase it online or in the book shop. The show was curated by Hans Ulrich Obrist, the artistic director of the gallery. We exchanged different experiences and thoughts about the exhibition, based partially on the curatorial choices that were made and which puzzled us somewhat, although we support the ecological reasons they are based on. For more information about the exhibition go here: https://www.serpentinegalleries.org/whats-on/judy-chicago-revelations/ Follow Judy Chicago on Instagram: @judy.chicago And follow us! @exhibitionistas_podcast Music by Sarturn.

In this first episode of Exhibitionistas we look back on one of the most exciting contemporary art exhibitions of last year, Marina Abramović at the Royal Academy. What better way to start a podcast than chatting about the retrospective exhibition of the grandmother of performance art?Music: Sarturn.

Alfredo Cramerotti and Auronda Scalera are a curatorial duo specialising in art and technology, dedicated to bridging digital and contemporary art.

We either speak over-enthusiastically about AI or in fear of its impact on creativity. My guests stand somewhat in between, advocating for a better understanding of its potential as a tool which they base upon their experiences with artists. The latter have always been irreverent regarding technologies since pigment was blown onto a hand leaving its mysterious mark on a cave wall… So what happens now, with the metaverse, AI and virtual reality? Are these new exhibition spaces? And how to they affect the existing ones? 

Our discussion took us to lots of places, amongst which the installation created by artist duo Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst, THE CALL for the Serpentine, which enabled spectators to interact with an AI who had trained with choirs across the UK; we talk about artists who connect writing with sculpture, performance, and new technologies, such as Ana María Caballero, (who just sold a poem in an online auction of Bitcoin Ordinals inscriptions called Natively Digital, for 0.28 Bitcoin or $11,430 at Sotheby’s), and much more. I also mention the great Jan Hopkins, an artist and writer based in Sheffield.

Cramerotti and Scalera both teach at MA IESA University Paris & Kingston University London. They co-curated the Lumen Prize x Sotheby's plus this year and the Art Dubai Digital Section 2024. As a duo, they form the International Selection Committee of the Lumen Prize and work as nominators for the Maxxi-Bvlgari Prize for Digital Art. While co-directing Multiplicity-Art in Digital, an online platform promoting women artists with a focus on diversity and inclusion, they spearhead Web to Verse, a project dedicated to fostering research on the evolution of digital art from the 1960s to the present day.

This multifaceted profile has led them to speak at prestigious events such as the UK House of Lords’ All-Party Parliamentary Group, the House of Beautiful Business, the AI House (during the World Economic Forum), the Riyadh Art Program for the KSA Visual Art Commission. They have worked with the UK Government Art Collection, the British Council Visual Arts Acquisition Committee, the Italian Ministry of Culture for the Italian Council 2022-24 program, and the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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Yes! We have our first guest on the podcast, art advisor Liberté Nuti. As often happens in the art world, we are not always familiar with each other's jobs. And forget telling people you are a podcaster! (People think you are an influencer selling hair products online.) So let's start to dismantle some myths and find out more about what it is that us intermediaries of the art world do. Joana goes on this quest on her own this time, as Emily is on sick leave, and it is Joana's expertise after all, to interview people and do talks about art topics. Joana asks Liberté about all theses things and ends the conversation on the topic of dream exhibitions. What are they? How do they impact our lives and why? To know more about Liberté Nuti: @libertenuti To follow us: @exhibitionistas_podcast Become a member of our podcast on Patreon and support us if you can: https://www.patreon.com/c/exhibitionistaspodcast/membership Music by: @Sarturn