EQUALS: Reimagining Our Economy (The Inequality Podcast)

COVID-19 has pushed over a billion kids out of school. What must we do right now to ensure this isn’t a “lost generation”? How does inequality affect access to education? And why do private schools present such a challenge to quality education in developing countries? To show us what needs to be done, we’re joined in this episode by the inimitable Dr. Prachi Srivastava – Associate Professor at the University of Western Ontario, whose fascinating research digs deep on inequality, and the global education crisis caused by COVID-19. We’re also thrilled to have with us Linda Oduor-Noah, a brilliant education activist based in Kenya, fighting the privatization of education and advancing the right to education for all. 

This is episode 4 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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2020 ends. 2021 begins. How can we make sure this will be a defining year in the fight against climate breakdown? What has COVID taught us? And is it possible to be optimistic?

We talk to Christiana Figueres – the global climate leader who led the 2015 Paris accord talks and author of “The Future We Choose” – about all of this. And we also get reflections from Oxfam’s Nafkote Dabi about what success really looks like in the wake of the rise of climate movements across the globe. All in under thirty minutes. An illuminating episode to finish 2020 – with hope and inspiration for what we must do in 2021.

This is episode 5 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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A vaccine. Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna. You know the names by now. A vaccine is the light at the end of this painful pandemic. It’s been amazing to see some people in some countries starting to get a vaccine. But just 1 in 10 people in poor countries stand to get one this year. On this EQUALS podcast special we speak to brilliant vaccines experts to answer: when will most of the world get a vaccine? What needs to be done?

We speak to vaccine and health experts – Dr. Mohga Kamal Yanni, Anna Marriott and Niko Lusiani – who break down what is going on and show what must be done to deliver a truly People’s Vaccine.

This is episode six of the EQUALS podcast this season – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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A remarkable conversation with a great thinker and giant of journalism who has covered the great stories of our time. We ask what can be learnt from MLK about the fight against inequality? What holds back change and what is the role of journalism? How can America heal under Biden? We talk about the place of idealism in politics and how we can bring together struggles – and win.

Nadia and Nabil speak to the brilliant award-winning journalist, prolific author and now professor of sociology Gary Younge, for a special episode of the EQUALS podcast timed with the Davos Meeting of the World Economic Forum. Gary was formerly editor-at-large for The Guardian, the author of five books including “Another Day in the Death of America”, and as a journalist covered major historical moments around the world.

Don’t miss this one.

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This is the latest episode of the EQUALS podcast this season – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, Darrick Hamilton on racism in the economy, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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[This episode contains great music!]

His beautiful music reaches millions. He’s topped the charts in the African continent. He’s winning change. He’s even been arrested for his music. He is PilAto – real name Fumba Chama – the Zambian music artist and activist sensation. On this truly inspiring episode of the EQUALS podcast Max and Nabil speak to PilAto about his backstory, what’s behind his music, and the power of music to change the world.

You can listen to more of PilAto’s music on www.iampilato.com

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This is the final episode of the EQUALS podcast this season – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic. And more!

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We’re asking: is racism silently shaping the global vaccine response? And what could President Biden’s recent huge decision to take on vaccine monopolies mean for people around the world? We also do a special round of “big pharma bingo”, examining the key arguments that pharmaceutical corporations have been making that is stifling the mass production of Covid-19 vaccines.

Max and Nabil are joined by three giants from the access to medicines and public health movement: Priti Krishtel and Tahir Amin (the Co-Executive Directors of IMAK, which challenges systemic injustice and advocates for health equity in drug development and access), and Asia Russell (the CEO of HealthGAP, which is dedicated to ensuring that all people living with HIV have access to life-saving medicines).

Come to learn, to find inspiration, and to get the inside track on the vaccine issue.

More information about the people’s vaccine is at www.peoplesvaccine.org

This is the first episode of the EQUALS podcast, season four. And if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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How does it feel to have more money than you could ever spend? What is it that makes someone who is a millionaire fight for higher taxes on the rich? How does playing a rigged game of monopoly reveal how rich people’s minds work? What chance that President Joe Biden can reverse the relentless lowering of taxes on the richest people?

Nadia and Max are joined by Erica Payne and Morris Pearl – founders of the Patriotic Millionaires, a group of wealthy individuals leading the charge to raise taxes on the rich, fight for a livable wage, and combat political and income inequality. Morris Pearl, a former managing director of BlackRock, is chair of the Patriotic Millionaires. Erica Payne is founder and president of the Patriotic Millionaires, an American public policy commentator, author and progressive strategist. They have co-authored a book out now called: “Tax the Rich!: How Lies, Loopholes, and Lobbyists Make the Rich Even Richer Paperback”.

Find out more about the Patriotic Millionaires at https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills.

This is the second episode of season 4 of the EQUALS podcast. And if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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Former Zambian President Kenneth Kaunda (“KK”) – who led his country in the wake of independence from colonial rule – recently died. A pan-African giant, he pursued efforts to boldly pursue equality at home and fight for liberation across the African continent.

Max Lawson and Nabil Ahmed have an amazing chat with Dr. Grieve Chelwa on what President Kaunda really set out to do with the state taking a far more active role. What can we learn from “Kaundanomics” for today? And what was the impact of the defining “structural adjustment” period on Africa’s economics?

This is the first of a two-part special diving deep into African economics. This episode takes us back. The next episode looks forward.

Dr. Grieve Chelwa – who is the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at The Institute on Race and Political Economy at The New School where he leads the Institute's work on Inclusive Economic Rights.  He was formerly Senior Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in Economics at the University of Cape Town's Graduate School of Business and before that was the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at the Center for African Studies at Harvard University. Before taking up a career in academia, Dr. Chelwa was a banker with Citi and completed postings in Congo (DR), Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa.

If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

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What doesn’t mainstream economics “get” about Africa? What is the future of the state itself in Africa? And how much should we really be focusing on corruption within Africa?

Max and Nabil have a riveting conversation with Pan-African feminist Crystal Simeoni – who is Director at Nawi: Afrifem Macroeconomics Collective (which is well worth checking out here!). Previously, she was head of the economic justice department at FEMNET, one of the largest African women's rights networks. She is an Atlantic Fellow for Social and Economic Justice at the London School of Economics.

This is the second of a two-part special deep dive into African economics. The last episode, with Zambian economist Grieve Chelwa, took us back recalling history and how it’s shaped economics in Africa today. This episode looks forward.

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If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from MLK Jr on how to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and from Turkish author Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, and climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, to IMF Chief Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic, and Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music.

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Foreign aid has helped save millions of lives. But the whole system is facing a huge reckoning.

As the New York Times’ Editorial Board wrote recently, “A growing group of intellectuals, aid workers and civic leaders from Africa say the “white savior” mentality of the world’s foreign aid system can end up doing more harm than good.

We’re asking: Does aid work? Is aid really so colonial that it needs to end? How must the whole system change? And is it time to move to talk about reparations?

Nadia and Nabil have a truly fascinating conversation with Degan Ali – a trailblazer in the movement to decolonize development aid and rethink humanitarianism, and the Executive Director of Adeso, a Nairobi-based organization that works in Somalia and Kenya. Her website is www.deganali.com.

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How fighting inequality and beating climate change means we must end our addiction to economic growth and fast.

We’re asking: How are inequality, climate breakdown and growth linked? Why is green growth an impossibility? If rich nations must stop growing, what does this mean for developing countries?

Nadia and Max have an amazing conversation with Dr. Jason Hickel – economic anthropologist, activist, academic and author of ‘Less is More’ and ‘The Divide’ . Jason is a leading thinker on both inequality and climate, and a passionate advocate of degrowth; the idea that the pursuit of economic growth by rich nations is destroying the planet and needs to stop, and that pursuit of equality is vital to saving our planet. 

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We need to talk about buses. Yes, buses. And inequality. The issue that nobody’s talking about.

Since the 80s, transport across the world has been privatized – fueling an inequality crisis that undermines our human rights.

Liz, Max and Nabil chat to Bassam Khawaja (Co-Director, Human Rights and Privatization Project, NYU Law School Center for Human Rights and Global Justice) and Matteo Rizzo (Senior Lecturer in Development Studies - SOAS University of London) who know lots about buses.

We ask: What do buses have to do with inequality in countries from the UK to Tanzania? What did privatization do? What is this new Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system springing up in developing countries all about? What are the solutions?

Bassam and his co-authors recently made headlines about the privatization of large parts of UK’s transport system, writing a report on its failures. It shows that, despite the government promising that a privatized system would lead to “lower fares, new services, and more passengers”, while removing “any potential future liability on the taxpayer”, that has not been the case.

Matteo, who lived in Dar es Salaam for 6 years has researched new bus systems. His recent publications cover work and employment; BRT’s exclusionary nature and neoliberalism and precarious labour in relation to public transport in developing countries.

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Here’s your post-COP26 deep dive. What do the outcomes mean for us all? Why were developing countries insisting on reparations? What’s the fuss about billionaire emissions?

We welcome two amazing guests from the climate justice movement who were influencing the Glasgow climate talks.

Asad Rehman is the Executive Director of War on Want, a lifelong campaigner against racial and economic injustice, and has been at the forefront of the climate justice movement helping to reframe climate as an issue of racialised capitalism, economic and social injustice. Nafkote Dabi, from Ethiopia, is Oxfam’s global climate change policy lead, and has taken on climate change across the African continent.

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We finally talk healthcare on EQUALS. Could the pandemic trigger the creation of universal healthcare systems around the world? What can we learn from Thailand and Costa Rica? What is privatization doing to healthcare in Kenya? And who is undermining healthcare for all?

Liz, Nabil and Max chat to Rob Yates (Director, Global Health Program, Chatham House) and Rebecca Riddell (Co-Director, Human Rights and Privatization Project, NYU Law School Center for Human Rights and Global Justice).

The NYU CHRGJ, in collaboration with a leading Kenyan human rights organization, Hakijamii recently launched a report on Kenya’s healthcare system. The report finds “that the government-backed expansion of the private healthcare sector in Kenya is leading to exclusion and setting back the country’s goal of universal health coverage”.

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Alas! Santa Claus is coming to town!! And we’re having a Christmas debate on a hot button topic that is dividing people. Is Santa a socialist or a merciless capitalist?

Liz and Nadia talk to Asad Rehman, the Executive Director of War on Want. He’s a lifelong campaigner against racialised capitalism, economic, climate and social injustice – and he’s got some beef with Santa! This is one for the books. With lots of laughter and music.

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We are witnessing a COVID-19 driven explosion in inequality. This week, Oxfam released its annual report, Inequality Kills, showing that the pandemic is killing at least 1 person every 4 seconds, while the ten richest men have doubled their fortunes during this same pandemic. This is the biggest single increase in billionaire wealth in recorded history. Max and Nadia talk to Branko Milanovic, world-renowned authority on inequality, to find out why.

Branko is a Senior Scholar at City University of New York’s Stone Center on Socio-economic Inequality and Centennial Professor at London School of Economics' International Inequalities Institute (III). He was the Lead Economist in the World Bank’s Research Department for almost 20 years, before leaving to write his book on global income inequality, Worlds Apart (2005). He has since authored three more award-winning books – The Haves and the Have-nots (2011), Global Inequality (2016) and Capitalism, Alone  (2019).

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Max and Nabil welcome former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown on the Oxfam EQUALS podcast for an incisive interview.

The pandemic is far from over. Vaccine inequality rages on. We ask Gordon what he would do if he was leading the G20 today – and how to rally the world’s leaders to act, as he did in response to the global financial crash.

Gordon Brown is the World Health Organization’s Ambassador for Global Health Financing, and a member of Club de Madrid forum – the world’s largest forum of democratic former Presidents and Prime Ministers.

Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more information about the people’s vaccine movement check out @peoplesvaccine.

If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to rebel feminist economist Jayati Ghosh, best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what communism has to do with today’s pandemic.

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In a few days, a 36-year-old former student leader who wants to fight inequality will become the President of Chile. He says, “If Chile was the cradle of neoliberalism, it will also be its grave”.

We find out about what President-elect Gabriel Boric wants to do, and about the movement of young people whose protests have swung the pendulum of power in Chile.

We take a trip to 1973 to the birth of neoliberalism – the economic ideology that would go on to spread across the world – under military dictatorship.

And we ask if this is part of a wider progressive wave across Latin America.

Co-hosts Nadia and Nabil are joined by two amazing guests for this fascinating conversation.

Noam Titelman played a vital part in the Chilean youth movement as an activist, was the spokesperson of national university students' confederation (CONFECH), and was a founding member of the Broad Front (Frente Amplio) Chilean political coalition established by former student activists. Currently he's a PhD researcher in the London School of Economics and Political Science.

We also speak to Ana Caistor Arendar who is campaigns lead at Progressive International, which unites, organizes, and mobilizes progressive forces around the world. She was formerly a journalist in Latin America before going on to become an expert, activist and advocate on inequality on the continent and worldwide.

Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more information about the people’s vaccine movement check out @peoplesvaccine.

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It’s a wrap on Season 4 of EQUALS! Liz, Max, Nabil and Nadia reflect on the season, and on 2 years since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

We talk race, inequality, political power, access to justice, and we discuss campaigning for a People’s Vaccine.

14 episodes in, which ones stand out for us and why?

Make sure you share the podcast on social media and leave a review! We’re at @EQUALShope on Twitter. For more information about the people’s vaccine movement check out @peoplesvaccine.

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Nadia and Nabil welcome former New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark on the EQUALS podcast for a special episode.

The IMF, World Bank and the G20 all are meeting this week. The world is facing multiple crises that are converging from the COVID-19 pandemic to the Ukraine crisis, to soaring food and fuel prices.

Two years into the pandemic, we ask PM Clark what governments should have done to respond to the pandemic; what still needs to happen; and how to prevent future crises. And could we have ended the pandemic if we had more women leaders today?

Helen Clark is a member of Club de Madrid, the world’s largest forum of democratic former Presidents and Prime Ministers, and a Commissioner to its ground-breaking Global Commission on Democracy and Emergencies. She was also appointed by the WHO to co-Chair the Independent Panel for Pandemic Preparedness and Response.

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EQUALS is back! We're asking: What has *really* been happening in the board rooms of multinational companies? And what's that got to do with today's cost-of-living crisis being felt across the globe?

This new season on EQUALS we’ll focus on the crisis, bringing stories and solutions from across the globe.

Nabil and Nadia speak with Dr. Lindsay Owens and Irit Tamir. Lindsay is the Executive Director at the Groundwork Collaborative, formerly Economic Policy Advisor to Senator Elizabeth Warren and taught domestic poverty and inequality at Georgetown University. Irit is Oxfam America's Director of Private Sector Department. She is focused on working with companies to ensure that their business practices result in positive social and environmental impacts for vulnerable communities throughout the world.

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We speak to three people reckoning with today’s massive cost of living crisis – with stories from Malawi, the United Kingdom and South Africa. Max speaks with Nellie Kumambala, a secondary school teacher in Lumbadzi, Malawi, and Walter, a security guard in London, United Kingdom. Nabil speaks with Wafaa Abdurahman, the National Coordinator, Fight Inequality Alliance South Africa.

Different countries, same story. People are suffering. They’re ready to act. What are their solutions?

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Ann Pettifor joins Max and Nabil on EQUALS. She famously predicted the global financial crash in 2007/8 and she’s worried again. She says it’s not just simply supply and demand that’s driving global food system shocks - and tells the story of how gambling-like practices in global financial markets are affecting all of us.

She’s got some big ideas to on reining in capital, and why poorer countries being crushed under mountains of debt need to be able to declare themselves bankrupt.

The latest in our EQUALS season on the cost-of-living crisis. Do tune in!

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In this episode, Nafkote Dabi, Harjeet Singh, and extinction rebellion activist Teun Ott join Max and Nadia to talk about billionaires, inequality, and climate breakdown.

Nafkote and Harjeet joined us directly from the COP last week. Nafkote, Climate Lead at Oxfam describes how billionaires contribute to carbon emissions not only through their lifestyles but also through their investments. Harjeet, Head of Global political strategy at Climate Action Network tells us about Loss and Damage and the capture of the COP by corporates and billionaires. Teun, a young climate activist from Extinction Rebellion tells us about the occupation he took part in blocking the private planes of the super-rich at Schipol airport in the Netherlands.

The latest in our EQUALS season on the climate crisis and carbon billionaires. Do tune in!

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We start on the shores of the Caribbean islands of the 15th century. As white European men landed on its shores, the story of centuries of colonialism and slavery, and today’s global inequality begins.

This EQUALS is the first of a two-part special on the case for reparations.

Nabil and Nadia speak with the Jamaican scholar Professor Verene Shepherd who with others across the world is demanding repair for those atrocities.

Professor Verene Shepherd is a social historian and the Director of the Centre for Reparation Research at The University of the West Indies. She is the Chair the United Nation’s Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination and was Vice Chair of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) Reparation Commission.

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How exactly can rich countries address their past wrongs of slavery and colonialism? Well, there’s a plan. Jamaican scholar and UN leader Verene Shepherd outline what Caribbean nations have called for.

This EQUALS episode is the second of a two-part special on reparations. In the first episode, we heard the case for reparations – and went back to the 15th century to the moment European men began an era of the slave trade of colonialism.

Now we ask “how”. Nabil and Nadia speak to Professor Shepherd about the CARICOM reparations plan, and what it means for issues like debt and aid. And then they ask Zambian scholar Dr. Grieve Chelwa about what this means for Africa.

Professor Verene Shepherd is a social historian and the Director of the Centre for Reparation Research at The University of the West Indies. She is the Chair of the United Nations Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination and was Vice Chair of the Caribbean Community (CARICOM) Reparation Commission.

Dr. Grieve Chelwa is the Director of Research at the Institute on Race, Power, and Political Economy at The New School, and formerly a Senior Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in Economics at the University of Cape Town’s Graduate School of Business. Before that, he was the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at the Centre for African Studies at Harvard University.

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Nadia and Nabil interview Nobel Prize Laureate Professor Joseph Stiglitz to ask just how dire the state of inequality is - and what we’ve got to do about it. 

Is it realistic to tax the richest at rates above 70%? What’s the connection between Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and IMF-backed austerity in low income countries?

An EQUALS episode not to be missed with a giant of economic thinking.

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A season five wrap-up with just the co-hosts! Nadia is sadly leaving the podcast (and Oxfam). The co-hosts get together to look back on their time together and reflect on over fifty episodes of EQUALS. 

We’ll be back for season six folks. Inequality’s sky-high. The fight’s on this decade but there’s hope. You’ve asked us to cover issues from the global debt crisis facing developing countries to the new scramble for minerals across the world. Join us then - watch this space!

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Introducing a new EQUALS season and our new podcast co-host, Nafkote Dabi, Climate Policy Lead at Oxfam International.

Joining Nafkote and Max in this episode are Astrid Nilsson Lewis and Ashfaq Khalfan. Together, they delve into the latest Oxfam report “Climate Equality: A planet for the 99%”

How are the climate and inequality crises intertwined?

In this episode, we expose the profound disparities stemming from the dual crises of climate breakdown and staggering inequality. We uncover the extent of this twin disaster that is currently gripping the world.

As always, we provide a ray of hope by exploring how a global redistribution of incomes could raise everyone to a level of $25 a day, all while effectively curbing carbon emissions.

Astrid Nilsson Lewis, Oxfam Sweden's Lead Researcher on Climate, and Ashfaq Khalfan, Oxfam America's Director of Climate Justice, offer their insights on these critical issues.

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EQUALS is back. Max and Nabil speak to Dr. Daniela Gabor, who says we’ve entered a new era of the “Wall Street Consensus”. Her macro analysis is lighting up debates around the world about how much power we’re giving up to global private finance - and what exactly comes after neoliberalism.

Daniela, Professor of Economics and Macro-Finance at UWE Bristol, breaks down what is driving this new paradigm, how it drives inequality, and what a true alternative - a Big Green State - looks like.

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Max and Nafkote interview the world-famous economist Professor Ha Joon Chang to ask what is causing the inequality crisis and what governments can do to stop it.

How are traffic lights, neoliberalism, and the Catholic Church in medieval times linked? How can we create a new generation of developmental states that face down corporates and build equal societies? An EQUALS episode not to be missed, with a giant of economic thinking.

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Read Inequality Inc., Oxfam's latest inequality report.

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Nafkote and Nabil welcome the pioneering Senegalese development economist Ndongo Samba Sylla onto EQUALS.

We talk about the untold vision of former Burkina Faso President Thomas Sankara for economic liberation.

The role of the French colonial currency in today’s world.

What Modern Monetary Theory can mean to the Global South.

And what a Green Bandung Woods – picking up from where liberation leaders left off – can do to rethink the global financial architecture.

Ndongo Samba Sylla is a Senegalese development economist. He has previously worked as a technical advisor at the Presidency of the Republic of Senegal, and is Programme manager at the West Africa office of the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation. He is the co-author of Africa’s Last Colonial Currency: The CFA Franc Story and author of The Fair Trade Scandal.

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Max and Nafkote interview the brilliant Dr. Clara Mattei on the history of austerity and how it was created to maintain “the capital order”.

Austerity today the world over remains a favored tool of policymakers. And yet it is far more than just a policy. We examine the roots of austerity and its fundamental role in entrenching capital, and disciplining people to never dare to create alternative economic systems.

Dr. Clara Mattei is Associate Professor of Economics at the New School for Social Research. She is the author of The Capital Order: How Economists Invented Austerity and Paved The Way to Fascism.

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Nafkote and Max interview Dr. Faiza Shaheen on how capitalism has failed on its main selling point – work hard and you will succeed. The idea that everyone has equal opportunity in life is just a myth. Your success in life is significantly influenced by where you are born, your social class, race, and education.

This episode is a powerful critique of our system - one that perpetuates wealth concentration among the rich while leaving the majority behind.

Faiza Shaheen is Professor of Economics at London School of Economics and the author of the book Know Your Place.

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On International Women’s Day, Max and Nafkote interviewed Bhumika Muchhala, a development and feminist economist, on the possibility of being a feminist in an economic system that thrives on the exploitation of people and nature.

This episode explores the importance of the way our global economy is organized in understanding the fight for gender equality. How issues like labour rights, fair taxation and debt cancellation are feminist issues.

Bhumika is the Political Economist and Senior Advisor at Third World Network.

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In this episode of EQUALS, we talk about how wealth and power defy gravity by making water flow… upwards!

Max and Nafkote interview Sushmita Mandal about water inequality and how climate breakdown is already affecting water access for people around the world.

Sushmita shares amazing stories about a young boy in India (who observed water flowing upwards from his community to posh apartment buildings), ecosystems on the Mekong River and a dam threatening fishers’ livelihoods.

Sushmita Mandal is a Senior Research Fellow for Water, Food and Ecosystems at Stockholm’s Environmental Institute in Asia.

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Imagine a private company creating its own jurisdiction in a sovereign country. It sets up its own laws, currency, and tax, labour and environmental regulations regardless of their compatibility with national laws. And when the democratically elected government steps in, the company sues it in little-known ‘corporate courts’ for billions of dollars citing its projected financial loss. Listen to our dystopian story of how the private sector is “buying up sovereignty” and the shocking abuses of power now happening.

Nabil and Max interview the amazing Ana Arendar on corporate owned-and-run cities in Honduras and the Caribbean Islands and how countries, both in Global North and Global South, are fighting back.

Ana is the Campaign Strategist for Progressive International.

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Imagine someone owing you money, but instead of paying you, they offer you a loan with conditions on how to use it. That is the how climate financing looks like according to Fadhel Kaboub.

Fadhel, hosted by Max and Nafkote, breaks down bit by bit, the situation in climate financing and why it is impossible to have just transition within the structures of colonialism and extractivism.

Fadhel is an associate professor of economics at Denison University (on leave), and the president of the Global Institute for Sustainable Prosperity. He serves as the Senior Advisor to Power Shift Africa.

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As the World Health Organization (WHO) continue to negotiate the Pandemic Accord, Max and Grazielle interviews Nick Dearden on Pharma patents, monopolies and greed that makes them price medical tools out of reach by people who need them.

They also discuss how the public funded research changes hand to be a patent for big pharmaceutical companies whose only concern is to make profit rather than save lives.

Nick Dearden is the Director of Global Justice Now and the author of Pharmanomics a book on how big pharma destroy global health.

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As we launch our new season focusing on fighting inequality, Max and Grazielle host Oxfam’s new Executive Director, Amitabh Behar.

From growing up in Bhopal, India, a city infamous for the chemical leak by a US corporate that killed thousands, Amitabh talks us through his life experiences and how they have shaped his thinking and his passion to fight inequality and advocate for social justice and human dignity. Of the urgent need to build people’s power to demand a more equal world.

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Jayati Ghosh is an incredible activist, campaigner, academic and thinker. She is leading the fight on so many issues key to the fight against inequality. In this fascinating interview hear her sharp analysis of issues from colonialism to care, and from tax to climate, and what we need to do to win.

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In the summer of 2024, Kenya ignited with protests against the controversial Finance Bill 2024. This legislation threatened to impose heavy taxes on essential goods, sparking widespread outrage.

In this episode, Grazielle and Nafkote delve deep into the movement with Grace Wendo, a passionate youth activist and student leader from Kenya. We explore the underlying factors that fuelled the protests: Was it solely about taxes, or were deeper grievances at play? Did the government truly address the people's concerns? And what impact did these demonstrations have?

Tune in to uncover the power of the people, the role of the IMF, and the historic events that shook a nation.

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As we head to COP29 with climate finance taking centre stage, join Max and Nafkote for an insightful discussion. This episode features Meena Raman, a veteran activist and Head of Programs at Third World Network. Together, they explore the pressing $5 trillion climate debt, the call for reparations, and the main obstacles in climate finance negotiations.

Discover how taxing the wealthy and redirecting war funds can help build a better world for all.

Tune in to learn more about ensuring climate justice and find out how you can make a difference. Don’t forget to like, share, comment, and leave us a review.

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As South Africa prepares to take on the G20 presidency next year, we were inspired to explore how it might seize this opportunity to tackle inequality. In our latest episode, we speak with lawyer and activist Isobel Frye, Executive Director at Social Policy Initiative (SPI).

With the enduring legacy of apartheid, high unemployment, and deep-rooted economic inequality, South Africa’s inequality crisis remains urgent. Join us as we explore what meaningful steps can be taken to create a more equal future.

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Grazielle and Max interview the epidemiologists Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson, whose groundbreaking work has shown how more equal societies are much safer, happier, healthier, more democratic and greener places to live. How the American dream is actually a Danish dream - and that radically reducing inequality is the key to our future.

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To coincide with the launch of Oxfam’s Davos 2025 report, Takers, not Makers, Naf and Max interview acclaimed author, academic and activist Jason Hickel.

Find out how our world is still organised primarily to benefit a small group of white men in rich countries and what we can do to stop this.

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In this episode, Max and Nafkote interview Grace Blakeley, an economist and author, about the rise of oligarchy and the relationship between billionaires, corporations, and the state.

Grace discusses the close relationship between the American political establishment and the billionaire class, highlighting how modern capitalist economies are characterized by a fusion of public and private power serving the interests of the wealthy. She also addresses the rise of the far right and its ties to big money, drawing parallels with historical fascism.

Grace is the author of the book Vulture Capitalism, and a contributing editor to Tribune. Additionally, she authors a weekly newsletter, "What Can We Do," focused on fighting individualism and building collective power to combat inequality.

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Did you know that some of Germany's wealthiest families, who control major brands like BMW and Volkswagen, had deep ties to the Nazi regime?

In this eye-opening episode, journalist David de Jong reveals how these powerful dynasties amassed their fortunes through close collaboration with the Nazi party (National Socialist German Workers' Party), forced labour, and expropriation.

Join us as we uncover the shocking truths about wealth built on war crimes and the ongoing efforts to whitewash history.

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Do you think Artificial Intelligence (AI) will exacerbate inequality or will it help in tackling it?

In this episode Nafkote and Grazielle hosts Nobel Prize winner and MIT professor Simon Johnson as they dive deep into the world of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and its effect on inequality. From the promises of AI to its potential challenges, Simon discusses the risks of increasing inequality and the difficulties to ensuring AI benefits everyone, not just the rich. He also explores the environmental implications of AI and the importance of designing technology with intended consequences.

Tune in to hear about the critical questions surrounding AI, worker displacement, Universal Basic Income, and the role of governments and civil society in shaping the future of AI. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of technology and inequality.

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"Fighting inequality should be at the core of our new economic theory". Devaki Jain is one of the most famous southern feminist leaders.  She has been a world-renowned thinker on feminism and economics, who has for decades been an activist and economist fighting for economic justice and for equality. Devaki was one of the first feminists to identify the economic implications of the millions of hours of unpaid care work that women do.  She pioneered the voice of southern women in the global feminist movement.  

In the interview she looks back on her life and reflects with Winnie on the inseparability of the feminist struggle from the wider struggle for economic justice. She talks about how she was deeply inspired by Gandhi and the struggles for freedom around the world, including the role of women freedom fighters. She describes her role on the South Commission, led by the deeply influential and inspirational former Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere.  She also reflects on the failure of some current feminists to confront the links between feminism, and that gender equality can only be achieved through a wider economic struggle against inequality and our broken economic model.

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"When activists, thinkers, billionaires, and young people come together to fight inequality, there is reason for hope". In conversation with Nabil and Max, Winnie reflects on season one of Equals, and what her highlights have been.  She identifies the interview with Beth, activist from the slum of Dandora, as her favourite.  She talks about the brilliant ideas put on the table by Beth, and also by Rutger Bregman, historian and Joseph Stiglitz, and how only in America could multimillionaires like Abigail Disney come out saying that it is unpatriotic to avoid tax.  She says how inspired she has been by the interviews, singling out the interview with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar as particularly full of hope. 

Winnie also reflects on her time as leader of Oxfam, and what progress has been made in the fight against inequality, and what more needs to be done, and challenges us to keep up the fight. 

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Valentine Special! We talk to activist couple Njoki Njehu and Soren Ambrose about how they met, balancing marriage & activism and what they have learned about fighting inequality over the last quarter of a century. The two met whilst campaigning in the late 90s during the huge protests against the World Bank and the IMF and have been involved in the fight against inequality ever since. 

Njoki is the pan-Africa coordinator of the Fight Inequality Alliance and leads the Daughters of Mumbi in Kenya who fight for women’s’ land rights. Growing up, together with her mother she worked closely with Wangari Maathai, the Nobel Prize winning environmentalist, helping her fight back against the oppression of the Kenyan government.  Together with Soren she was one of the leaders of the Fifty Years is Enough campaign to abolish the World Bank and the IMF

Soren is the Head of Policy at Action Aid. Together with Njoki, he was among the pioneers of the World Social Forum, held to challenge Davos. He was a key player in the 50 Years is Enough campaign. 

They give us a feel for the huge protests against the World Bank and the IMF in 1999-2001 and the hard work that went into building such a successful global coalition- bringing together church groups, unions, environmentalists and anarchists.  The reflect on the life of activists in Kenya under the oppressive regime of President Moi. They find hope in abundance in today’s activism but encourage todays millennial activists to work hard to learn from history too. 

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Meet Gabriel Zucman - the acclaimed activist economist who’s taking the world by storm on his plans to tax the rich, end tax dodging and fight inequality. He’s "changing how you think about wealth, whether you know it or not".  His proposals for a wealth tax on billionaires in the US have been taken on board by US Presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

We talk to Gabriel about his ideas and his new book, ‘The Triumph of Injustice: How the rich dodge taxes and how they can be made to pay’, which he co-authored with Emmanuel Saez.

Gabriel shares how – fascinatingly – the anti-tax rhetoric of the American right wing has its roots in slavery and slave ownership. How the US used to have the most progressive tax system in the world, including a 93% top rate of income tax.  How industrial levels of tax dodging by corporates and individuals can be stopped. And why he is so hopeful that progressive change can happen and will happen to fight inequality.  

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She played her part in bringing down a dictatorship. She’s fought inequality for over forty years. She’s on the front-line of the fight against climate change. She’s described as “one of the busiest organizers in the world”. We speak to Lidy Nacpil, a truly legendary activist fighting for justice to this day. We talk about taking down a dictatorship, her husband’s assassination, the importance of history, and what the coronavirus means for the fight against inequality. An episode full of inspiration and amazing lessons in fighting for a fairer world.

From the Philippines, Lidy is the Coordinator of the Asian People’s Movement on Debt and Development, Co-Coordinator of the Global Campaign to Demand Climate Justice, one of the Founders of the Fight Inequality Alliance among many other roles.  

Do have a listen! And do share the episode with your friends and family.

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Season Two of EQUALS comes to a close! Our 13-episode season started as the snow fell in Davos, talking to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas about whether we need billionaires. As the coronavirus hit our world, we spoke vaccines, race, fascism and more. We interviewed activists like the legendary Lidy Nacpil to doctors on the front-line in Nairobi, to the unstoppable former UN Special Rapporteur and human rights lawyer Philip Alston. 

Our hosts Nadia, Nabil and Max are joined by our producer Liz to discuss the highlights and lessons from the season. And we share some exciting news about Season 3 which will begin in September – kicking off with the head of the world’s most influential global economic institution - the International Monetary Fund - Kristalina Georgieva.

Do listen back to our amazing episodes this season – there’s something there for everyone! – and share with your friends and family. We’re on Twitter @EqualsHope

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How can we reimagine our relationship with nature? Why do we need to bring down the emissions of the rich more than all? How can we bridge climate science with indigenous knowledge? A profound interview with leading climate figure Hindou Ibrahim, an indigenous leader and member of Mbororo people in Chad and President of the Association for Indigenous Women and Peoples of Chad (AFPAT). We’re also joined by Tim Gore, the climate guru behind Oxfam’s fascinating new research showing how bringing down the emissions of the richest is crucial to the fight against climate change.

This is episode 2 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews  – from talking with Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to world-leading rebel economist Devaki Jain on the care economy, to Darrick Hamilton on race and inequality, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on what comes after the pandemic.

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