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04 Mar 2022
Inconsistency Is What Assures Our Success
00:49:53
In this episode, the guys discuss how events and event production companies can retain their talented people after as the industry emerges from a tough couple of years--they talk work-life balance, opportunities for growth and avoiding getting stale, and how sometimes event production people need to just be allowed the time to do what they need to do.
Tony and Eli also discuss which types of events are seemingly emerging from the pandemic unscathed and whether there are some types of events that the market can no longer support. And lastly, the guys talk about a new, small foray by the Rock 'n' Roll Running Series back into the elite space, and whether that signals a shift in the sport.
We hope you enjoy this posted-slightly-later-than-planned episode of Early Call Time--the end of February can really sneak up on you fast! If you did, in fact, enjoy this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you don't ever want to miss an episode be sure to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, or topics you would be interested in hearing us explore, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
An Early Call Time Special Episode: What Does it Mean to be Back at Running USA?
00:08:40
In this special mini-episode, Tony caught up with almost twenty industry leaders at the Running USA conference last weekend in Florida and asked them what it meant to be back together with their industry peers at the Running USA conference. Enjoy--and see you next year in Denver!
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you don't ever want to miss an episode be sure to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, or topics you would be interested in hearing us explore, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Shelley Villalobos (Executive Director, Council for Responsible Sport)
01:00:56
In a special Earth Day episode, Eli and Tony couldn't be more excited to have Council for Responsible Sport Executive Director Shelley Villalobos on the pod for an interview. The guys first find out a little about Shelley's athletic background--which includes Division I experience in a non-running sport--and how "she resisted running as long as she possibly could" until finishing her first marathon at the 2021 Bank of America Chicago Marathon (yet another ECT Pod guest who's a member of the "one marathon club!"). And Shelley tells us about how she became involved with event sustainability working in college athletics, and she then transitioned to the Council.
Shelley shares some history about the formation and the early days Council, what it does, and what it's like for an event to certify as sustainable with the Council. She talks us through what a day is like in the life of someone advocating for and supporting events who pursue sustainable sport and what kind of tools are available for an event or event organization considering certification or just attempting to become more sustainable (including CRS's new, free ReScore event sustainability assessment tool, courtesy of TCS). And she and Eli talk about what kind of resources and efforts an event hoping to certify should expect to have to marshal, and what the case for certifying is (and although it is the right thing to do, the case is more than "It's the right thing to do!").
Things go a little bit off the rails for a bit toward the end of the interview, when Eli and Shelley riff about our potential Mad Max: Fury Road-like future, other post-apocalyptic movies, and drinking our own bodily fluids. But Shelley then brings it back, sharing a reading from environmentalist Wendell Berry, because that's just how things go sometimes on the ECT Pod . . .
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you don't ever want to miss an episode be sure to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, or topics you would be interested in hearing us explore, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Tanner Bell (CEO, Ragnar/General Manager of Events, FitLab)
00:57:17
After a bit of a hiatus Tony and Eli are back with a bang, with an in-depth interview with one of the most entrepreneurial people in the industry, Ragnar Co-Founder and CEO Tanner Bell! From a project that started while Tanner and his co-founder were undergrads and thought it was just something that would look good on a grad school application, Ragnar has grown into one of the most successful brands in the endurance events industry.
Tanner gives Early Risers a behind the scenes look at all aspects of how he and his team built Ragnar--from how they came up with the name and what it means, to bribing friends and family with iPod Shuffles to staff early events, to how they've scaled and structured their team, and how Tanner stays in touch with the event experience. He also shares a story that makes clear the being on an events team runs in his family's DNA, and teases what the future may hold for Ragnar since their recent acquisition by FitLab.
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you don't ever want to miss an episode be sure to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, or topics you would be interested in hearing us explore, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
An Exit Interview with Virginia Brophy Achman (Outgoing Executive Director of Twin Cities In Motion)
01:04:56
The ECT Pod is back and better than ever after a longer than expected Eli-had-room-for-nothing-in-his-life-outside-of-planning-the-Twin-Cities-Marathon-and-then-a-new-Turkey-Trot enforced hiatus! And the first episode after our break is a doozy--an exit interview with outgoing Twin Cities In Motion Executive Director Virginia Brophy Achman (who also happens to be Eli's boss).
In her almost quarter-century in the industry, Virginia has witnessed a lot of "beginnings"--the beginning of Running USA, the founding of NCS4's marathon forum, the beginning of Twin Cities In Motion and other similar events becoming fully-fledged professionally staffed organizations--and the guys ask her about those and learn a lot about the origins of some industry institutions. They also ask Virginia about her time at TCM--the biggest changes she's seen, her biggest accomplishments, and what she hopes for for the future--and of course Tony can't help but ask her what it was like having Eli working for her.
On behalf of so many in the running industry to whom Virginia has provided mentorship, leadership, and guidance over the past twenty-three years, the guys would like to say a heartfelt "thank you" to Virginia for coming on the pod. We think you'll all really like this one.
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you don't ever want to miss an episode be sure to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, or topics you would be interested in hearing us explore, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Thanks for listening to the inaugural episode of Early Call Time, the podcast where we discuss issues and news in the road race industry and get to know some of the people who keep it running! On Episode 0, your co-hosts (Eli Asch, Race Director of the California International Marathon, and Tony Yamanaka, Vice President of Operations of Event Southwest) interview each other about our histories with running and the endurance sports event industry. Episode 0 also features the first "Drop-in" segment, where we conduct a mini interview with an unscheduled guest (Christina Yamanaka of CLIF Bar); Christina doesn't know it yet, but she's also top of "substitute hosts" depth chart in case Tony or Eli are ever unavailable.
We hope you enjoy the inaugural episode of the ECT Pod! And if you did enjoy this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, or guests you would like us to invite, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Early Call Time Episode 1: Chris Hollis (Atlanta Track Club, Olympic Trials "Air Traffic Controller")
01:14:52
In this episode we interview Chris Hollis, Special Projects Manager for the Atlanta Track Club and self-proclaimed "Air Traffic Controller" for the recently-completed US Olympic Marathon Trials. We learn about Chris's varied experiences on all sides of the running industry before getting into the biggest challenges and successes he experienced in planning one of the US endurance sports industry's crown jewel events. And we also find out about why he has been known to occasionally show up to meetings in costume. This episode is definitely worth a listen if you're interested in peaking behind the curtain and learning more about what it took to make the largest US Olympic Marathon Trials in history such a huge success! You can find Chris on Twitter at @Yogitout.
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, or guests you would like us to invite, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Early Call Time Episode 2: Coronavirus Cancellations
00:39:20
Tony gives an update on the state of the pod (short version: huge thanks to Whit Raymond for recording our drop, and we're getting better at Audition's audio editing software but if you have any tips to improve our audio quality send them our way!) and then your co-hosts discuss the state of the endurance sports industry in the era of coronavirus cancellations: what causes cancellations, different ways to handle them, and what the industry and its events will look like once we come out the other side.
Here's a link to the piece on event cancelations by Kirsten Fleming of Run Calgary mentioned by Tony in this episode.
And whether we know you personally, professionally, or not at all, we hope you and your loved ones are staying healthy and safe right now.
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, or guests you would like us to invite, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Early Call Time Episode 3: Stacy Embretson (The McCourt Foundation [formerly Conqur Endurance Group], Senior Director of Operations)
01:15:36
We couldn't have been more excited for our interview with Stacy Embretson, Senior Director, Operations for the McCourt Foundation (which recently absorbed the Conqur Endurance Group, owners of the Los Angeles Marathon), baker extraordinaire, and "industry superstar" (seriously, her corporate bio says that). And did she ever deliver, telling us about how a girl from a small town in Minnesota (who told her track coach dad that track was "the stupidest sport ever" and that she was never running again!) became the woman in charge of the Los Angeles Marathon with over 60 marathons under her belt. Along the way we learn what inspired Stacy to make the leap to the running events industry from her "former life" of teaching, how it was serendipitous that she didn't like the LA Marathon's course when she was first hired, and what she doesn't do with the baked goods she's famous in the industry for always having. Also, she says she thinks of Eli as more of a runner than Tony, which Eli doesn't plan to let Tony live down any time soon. If you want to learn about how one of our industry's stalwarts makes event magic happen, tune in for this episode! And if you want to follow Stacy on Twitter you can find her at @StacyCakesLA.
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Early Call Time Episode 4: Life is Like a Box of Chocolate Rain
00:50:26
In this month's banter episode, Eli and Tony talk about a podcast trick called "chocolate raining" and agree that neither of them ever want that term in their Google search history. They also agree to only talk about one coronavirus topic per episode, and then set a timer on themselves to keep their conversation about how Aid Stations might look different after coronavirus from taking over the whole episode. An interesting experiment at the London Marathon and Tony's experience with Tetra Pak at the Dallas Marathon both pose interesting potential solutions, as do enhanced self-serve and BYO hydration options.
Inspired by images from a Twitter thread about irregularly-shaped running tracks, Christina does a pop-in segment where she and Eli reminisce about their glory days competing in indoor track when they were juuuust a little younger, and talk about fun non-traditional events that could be held on irregular tracks. And then Eli asks Tony to share his recent non-traditional coronavirus running routine--inspired by some combination of Forrest Gump, Mike Wardian, and Stacy saying in the previous episode that she thinks of Eli as more of a runner than Tony. Tony also shares how he and some industry folks have been supporting other runners during the pandemic and how you can, too.
We had so much to talk about this episode that we went over our monthly time allowance with our hosting service, so buckle up!
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Early Call Time Episode 5: Tony's Podcast Inception
00:40:49
May's first banter episode kicks off with a "State of the Pod" update to let our multitudinous listeners know what to expect for the ECT Pod release schedule from here on in (three episodes a month, usually two banter episodes sandwiched around one interview, released in the early morning on Thursday). That seemingly benign discussion then takes an unexpected turn where we learn that Tony's family is much more supportive of the pod (and nicer) than Eli's.
The coronavirus topic for this episode is Start Area Operations, which is right in Tony's wheelhouse. He walks us through the "runner journey" to, at, and out of the Start Area and how coronavirus could affect every aspect of that. This segment was supposed to be capped at 10 minutes, but Tony was dropping so much knowledge we had to add a 5-minute "bonus round" so he could tell us more about coronavirus's potential affects on athlete staging and start sequences (extended multi-heat start windows, anyone?) and also about runner psyche and races' communication with runners about new processes once we do return.
Your co-hosts then fearlessly tread on what is likely to be thin ice, discussing whether PRs set on Strava count (conclusion: No! But also kind of maybe yes, under certain circumstances?). Tony calls out Strava Wankers including one who plays in the English Premier League and Eli sites disputed times near the top of the famous Mt. Tam Hill Climb segment*** to show how GPS inaccuracy can have major impacts on Strava results in a way that it can't in certified and sanctioned road races. Eli then issues his hot take that not even all times set in a race are equally valid and is unnecessarily mean to pro runner Woody Kincaid (who is 1000 times the runner that Eli will ever be) in the process. There's a pretty large chance that Eli will be revisiting this topic with his head hung in shame in future episodes, so stay tuned!
***Note from Eli: If you click one link in these show notes, click this one. And then consider supporting its publisher Lope Magazine, which provides great and unique longform storytelling about running.
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Early Call Time Episode 6: Lauren Proshan (Boston Athletic Association, Director of Operations)
01:12:14
Our May interview episode is a wide-ranging conversation with Boston Athletic Association Director of Operations Lauren Proshan. We talk about Lauren's previous job at events firm Conventures and briefly become a global nautical geopolitics podcast (which Eli names "Rig the Foresail") while learning about her work on an international sailing event and how she applies lessons from that event to her current job; have an in-depth conversation about Lauren's holiday party (Tony totally wrangles the co-hosts invitations); discuss parking etiquette in Southie; and then Lauren tells us what it was like to not put on the Boston Marathon on Patriot's Day this year and also what it's like to create a new state holiday, which the BAA is doing for this year's postponed edition of the Boston Marathon (currently scheduled to be help on September 14). In the process, Tony inadvertently proves how hard it is for races to communicate clearly with their runners during this era of postponements, pivots to virtual, cancellations, deferrals, and every combination thereof. This episode is full of great insight, and we all owe Lauren a huge "thank you" for making the time and having a frank discussion during this period of uncertainty.
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Early Call Time Episode 7: The Eli Show (Sorry, Tony!)
00:54:05
In the second banter episode of the month, we find out how much Eli can talk when he has spent the previous week not podcasting and instead storing up hot takes during three days alone in the car. (Tony meanwhile, spent his bye week more productively, getting fit enough to successfully take on the Murph immediately after recording this episode.)
Eli starts out innocently enough, desperately backpedaling on his call-out of Woody Kincaid in the last banter episode, but he just can't help himself and dishes out a new hot take sure to inflame Strava users (and fans of the Strava Wankers Twitter account specifically). Tony and Eli then wade into more serious territory, discussing ethics, diversity, and inclusion in running and for RDs as relates to the Marathon Investigation article about trail race RD Sean "Run Bum" Blanton retroactively DQing competitors for seemingly arbitrary violations, and also his well-documented inappropriate behaviors toward women in the running community. This transitions into a brief discussion of Ahmaud Arbery, where Eli and Tony are admittedly so far out of their depths that for once, rather than run their mouths, they want to amplify diverse voices and encourage you to read these articles by folks who are more knowledgable:
While the co-hosts know they don't have all the solutions, they agree that as an industry we need to keep working to be more inclusive in various ways (expect episodes on this topic featuring folks more qualified to speak on it in the not-too-distant future).
This episode's coronavirus topic is Finish Area, where Tony drives the discussion which is focused on what is essential, what elements may need to be rolled back in the coronavirus world, and what opportunities exist to reimagine certain festival elements or even improve them by using virtual or at-home tools. He also wonders aloud about whether we overextended ourselves from a budgetary or expectations standpoint in the Finish Area in the pre-coronavirus era, and you also learn why if he ever refuses to shake your hand you shouldn't be offended. The episode ends with Eli sharing some big personal news. Want to find out what it is? You've gotta listen!
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Thanks to Race Roster for sponsoring this month of the podcast. Race Roster and its Runkeeper app, now a part of the ASICS family, form a great team that drastically enhances the digital services Race Directors require to host premier events. Next time you're looking at registration or virtual race platforms, take a look at Race Roster.
In our June interview episode we take a look at things from the brand-side with CLIF Bar Southwest Region Marketing Manager Alex Calderon. We learn about how he's living the California Dream, what it's like working with duathlon legend Kenny Souza ("a salty little rascal," per Alex), and also get sidetracked hearing stories about his better half (whose voice you have all heard before). Alex and Tony explain how exhausting it is to execute CLIF's activations at the IRONMAN World Championship in Kona and the challenges of working on the Big Island.
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, or guests you would like us to invite, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks to Race Roster for sponsoring this month of the podcast. Race Roster and its Runkeeper app, now a part of the ASICS family, form a great team that drastically enhances the digital services Race Directors require to host premier events. Next time you're looking at registration or virtual race platforms, take a look at Race Roster.
June's first banter episode kicks off with talk of how 2020 is like the TV show "Lost" before Tony and Eli talk about what everyone in our industry is talking about: virtual events, and our gradual return to in-person racing. Eli leads with something that Tony doesn't think will work due to the pod's lack of social engagement, asking listeners who have launched virtual events or creative in-person events to use the hashtag #runnow2runlater to let us know what cool events your company is doing right now. We want to hear what you're up to and talk about it on the pod! (Desperate plea from Eli: Please don't let Tony be right--use this hashtag folks! #runnow2runlater)
Tony holds up DMSE's Medford2Medford and Run Local's California Coast 500 as examples of events that did it right by developing a unique concept, and talks about the time and effort that Event Southwest has put into developing their Texas Distance Challenge virtual concept the right way. Eli, in expressing his agreement with Tony, repeatedly and weirdly uses the phrase "back it up" to challenge folks to really tell a story and develop their concept when launching a virtual event.
As in-person events slowly return, Eli brings up Millenium Running's Any Time 5k--which has a finish arch set up in the parking lot of their specialty run store, timing running from inside their store 24 hours a day, and a low-traffic 2.5k route that can be run twice for a 5k--and Revel's OYO Marathon--which has permanently installed timing on a local park trail and has substantial results verification processes in place as options--as innovative options that allow for fun races to be held while only small gatherings are allowed. Tony mentions that he considered taking a road trip to run Vacation Races's Zion at Night event. (Note: Eli may be mistaken that OYO times will be accepted as qualifiers for New York--but he swears he saw that somewhere. He also thinks his position on virtual races has actually been pretty consistent.)
Eli then abruptly ends this recording session when he realizes he has a meeting that's about to start, so you'll have to listen to a future episode for Eli and Tony to talk about COVID considerations at Expo and Packet Pick-up.
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, or guests you would like us to invite, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com. And don't forget, if you've launched virtual events or creative in-person events, post on social using the hashtag #runnow2runlater to let us know what cool events your company is doing!
Early Call Time Episode 10: Pride Month with Two Clueless Straight Dudes and Michael Clemons (Founder & Owner, Louisville Running Company)
01:02:54
Thanks to Race Roster for sponsoring this month of the podcast. Race Roster and its Runkeeper app, now a part of the ASICS family, form a great team that drastically enhances the digital services Race Directors require to host premier events. Next time you're looking at registration or virtual race platforms, take a look at Race Roster.
This Pride Month banter episode features special guest Michael Clemons, founder and owner of the Louisville Running Company. Michael, already having completed his run before our early morning recording session, gives us a little bit of his history with running before sharing his coming out story. Thankfully, his coming out story is a supportive one, and among the first people who he came out to were his college cross country teammates.
After one of the eponymous "two clueless straight dudes" asks Michael to, he defines two key terms ("LGBTQ+" and "cisgender") for our hosts and listeners before educating us on how our run crews, clubs, and teams can be more LGBTQ+ friendly (use your words thoughtfully and display those rainbows proudly, allies, and back that up with your actions!). Tony then asks Michael to give races a grade on how they're doing on LGBTQ+ inclusion, and Michael gives us a grade that shows there's room for improvement. And the hosts and Michael all agree that while portalets are egalitarian in their terribleness, registration with only binary gender options should rapidly become a relic of the past.
Coming at it from the viewpoint of someone whose workplace is the endurance sports events industry, Michael encourages us all to embrace sharing our pronouns even if we conform to traditional gender norms, to normalize and make it easier for those who may not. And as a sometimes road warrior, he encourages us to think about how we house folks when we bring in folks from away to work our events.
We then transition to talking about track and field's (or as Eli pretentiously calls it, "athletics") spotty history (and present) of policing sexuality and gender, especially as relates to transgender athletes. And Michael wonders whether, in the vast majority of cases, there may not need to be any policing of gender for purposes of awards, and holds up Western States's Transgender Entrants Policy and the BAA's qualification policy as examples of good, gender-inclusive ones.
We then ask Michael, as a Louisville resident who has been attending protests and speaking out since the killings of Breonna Taylor and then David McAtee and also someone who has to work closely with police, how he has navigated that, and also about his sense of ethics in the industry overall.
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Early Call Time Episode 11: David Grice (President and Owner, RaceWorks)
01:14:27
In this episode recorded earlier this spring Tony and Eli interview one of the behind-the-scenes giants of the industry, David Grice, owner and founder of RaceWorks Incorporated. David is a good friend who worked with and showed both Eli and Tony the ropes in their early days in the industry and, despite his substantially better running pedigree, is also a member of the "I've only run one marathon" club.
David's career has taken him from his days as a college runner at the University of Texas, to becoming an intern at the Austin Marathon (which Eli also did... quite the launching pad, clearly!), to working in race operations at the local running store for a year before leaving on vacation and finding out that the store was no longer in the business of putting on races when he got back. That led to him launching his event logistics and operations business, and having to convince local events that were used to receiving those services for free to start paying him to provide them. From those humble beginnings he has become the "secret weapon" behind the scenes working ops on some of the biggest races in America, including the Chicago Marathon, Houston Marathon, Philadelphia Marathon, 2016 Olympic Marathon Trials and many more.
David gets grilled about being a "portalet prima donna" and his personal hi-viz tailor, and despite us making fun of him for that he graciously regales us with great stories about putting on a 10k for Willy Nelson, having a man threaten to shoot him while certifying a half marathon on a rural county road (here's a link to the voicemail Tony refers to during this story), and climbing inside the finish truss to pull up a clock that was beginning to fall while the race was going on.
We ask David to share his thoughts and insights on everyone in the industry's topic--COVID-19--but rather then get bogged down in that we "pivot" (but in a different way) to talking about what he's doing with his free time since he's not working right now, which includes a detour of a discussion into the Austin brewing and bar scene (Draughthouse for life!) and also Eli trying to get away with saying the phrase "mods on your whip" (don't worry, they let him know he can't pull it off).
We agree that we need to have David back on some time to discuss his work on international races like the Singapore Marathon. And lastly, Eli asks (and Tony begs) for our listeners to come up with a better nickname (that sounds less like a certain male bodily function) than what Eli has taken to calling them, "Early Risers." We're looking for something #betterthanearlyrisers (and yes, this is Eli trying to get another hashtag to take off).
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Eli is playing a road game for this episode, recording from his father's kitchen in Portland, Maine. He's there helping his dad out after a knee replacement surgery, which his (non-runner) dad had to have because (as Eli rants about a bit) running isn't actually any worse for you knees than any other activity! (And his dad's recovery is going well, thanks for asking.)
With prompting from Eli, Tony gives an update about how his new virtual event, the Texas Distance Challenge, is going (short version: really well!). Tony compares what he hopes to accomplish with TDC (as the cool kids call it) to eating healthy as opposed to dieting and also explains why distance challenges should lean into their storytelling and maybe rely a little less on leaderboards. After sticking his neck out to test his theories (that we've all heard him presenting on at industry conferences for the last few years) by rolling out this event, it's a good thing for Tony that TDC is going as well as it is! And if you're interested in licensing the idea for your market, he's open to it...
The co-hosts then dive into a big topic that Eli somehow overlooked while planning for this week's episode (although it's not always apparent, we actually prepare for our recording sessions!): Spartan's return to in-person racing. (The video of the Running USA webinar mentioned in this segment can be found here.) While Tony and Eli are both skeptical that any in-person event can be done perfectly safely, there are some good takeaways from what Spartan did that can be applied at any event.
Finally, Tony IDs three questions that every event that wants to emulate Spartan and return to in-person racing needs to ask itself before returning to in-person racing:
What is your organizational risk tolerance?
What is your market's (participant and state/municipal) risk tolerance?
And are your pockets deep enough to do everything that needs to be done?
Eli then really strongly encourages everyone to build systems for their return to racing that don't just barely hit minimum standards but have enough slack in the system to deal with things not going exactly as planned. On another quixotic hashtag-pushing quest, he encourages everyone to build environmental safety and operations plans that are robust enough to #absorbtheassholes. (Tony wants to make 100% clear that he not only doesn't endorse this hashtag but that as his "risky click of the day" he also doesn't think you should use or search for it; the more-benign #returntoracing he is more tolerant towards.)
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Early Call Time Episode 13: Running Industry Yearbook Superlatives
00:45:19
In this episode Tony and Eli hide their head in the sand like ostriches and, rather than talk about anything COVID-related, have some fun and put forth what they hope will be a JT Service-approved "beautiful shitshow" of an episode.
Tony lets everyone know that a virtual event is just as taxing, in a different way, as an in-person event, and Eli and Tony both let everyone know about their pets' quirks before they get into the meat of this episode: giving events high school yearbook-style superlatives.
Wanna know if your race or your favorite race got a superlative? Wanna know who we think is "most likely to succeed?" Want to find out what races we think would've been the "best couples" in high school (and also, maybe find out that Eli seems to have thought about this way too much, to the point where Tony accuses Eli of writing "running industry fan fic")? Then you've gotta listen to this episode, because we're not giving away the good stuff in the show notes. Also, be sure you're following us on social (links at bottom of the show notes), as we'll be asking for tie-breaking votes in some categories on our social channels (we got sick of hashtags flopping, so we figure we'll have a Twitter poll flop this week instead).
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Early Call Time Episode 14: Tom Bedford (Founder & Race Director, Richmond Running Festival)
01:14:56
There are five Thursdays in July, so the guys are excited to release a bonus fourth episode this month, an interview with Richmond Running Festival Founder Tom Bedford! This will be the first of several interviews with international events professionals in the coming months, as Tony and Eli look to celebrate the endurance sports events industry across the globe and learn about different nation's cultures and quirks.
This episode's topics are as far-reaching as you would expect for a transatlantic interview, featuring stories about a cascading series of running bets made over too many pints at the pub post-race day as well as about Sir Mo Farah and why Tom might be partially responsible for his success (and was also responsible for his near-demise). He tells us what it's like to grow up with a legendary badass as a father and also what it's like to work with some of the greatest athletes in the world at the London Marathon, as well as giving us some insight as to what it takes to get a new event off the ground in a place like Richmond (hint: knowing Sir Mo doesn't hurt) and what it takes to make a new event a success.
Tom talks some about a key feature in the British running scene, Park Run, and how this series of free 5ks that may not be familiar to our American listeners helps new people find the sport and creates an inclusive community around it. He then tells us about the British club running scene and how you're with your club for the whole of your life, but also about how run crews and other, "fresher" types of running groups are bringing a new vibrancy and at times a "punky" feeling to the running scene.
He shares his thoughts on the challenges facing the events industry in the post-pandemic world and also a bit about his plans to make Richmond Running Festival one of the first major races to take place in-person this fall, which we would all be excited to see go forward as a safe and successful event!
And it's ambiguous whether Tom ends the episode by inviting just the hosts or all Early Risers to come visit him in Richmond, but if you show up on his doorstep and tell him Tony and Eli sent you, it sounds like Tom would probably be happy to have a pint with you.
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Early Call Time Episode 15: Until We Eat Our Vegetables, We Can't Have Dessert
00:44:54
After last week's bye, the guys return this week with an all-banter episode! Tony lets us all know he has leaned that races' customer service teams must be absolute saints, after dealing with virtual event customer service himself over the past few weeks. And Eli shares the story of how an Austin Marathon customer service interaction is actually how he and his wife first met...although they didn't realize it until well into their courtship.
Eli also shamelessly plugs the reason the pod took its bye last week, which is that he was busy last week putting on a different kind of virtual event: a virtual summer camp! Eli volunteers every summer as a Program Director for Experience Camps, a free week-long overnight camp for children who have experienced a death-loss, so he spent every evening last week on a camp activity Zoom call. Like races, virtual is an okay bridge, but he thinks in-person camp is way better. (Volunteer applications for 2021 will open this fall, and since this is a shameless plug Eli wants you to know that events people would absolutely love camp.)
The guys talk about some recently-canceled or altered events, including the Richmond Runfest, directed by former ECT pod guest Tom Bedford, which had to postpone its marathon and half marathon but is still planning to put on its 10k, and also Spartan Race, which after its headline-grabbing Jacksonville event in June has since canceled its entire US season (although many of its international events are moving forward). (Warning: Frustrated with American's response to the pandemic, Eli drops a single F-bomb in this segment.)
But the guys are heartened that some organizations are beginning to pilot new models and environmental safety procedures at small-scale in-person events, like the Atlanta Track Club with its Publix Summer Series. Tony notes the lack of a unified set of industry standards may make it very hard to take the next steps toward larger events, but the guys agree that those standards are needed even though, as Eli is fond of saying, every race is a snowflake. And they're also happy to see events continue to innovate, with ideas like OYO Portland (which they agree they need to have one of the event organizers on to discuss, since they don't know enough about it) emerging as new alternatives for major urban marathons.
Eli and Tony wrap up talking about how excited they are for the elite-only London Marathon, how London's TV deal likely makes it more lucrative for them to put on an elite-only event than fully cancel, and also how they would be interested in doing a logistics and operations focused "B" broadcast for this unique edition of London (or really any race--if your event needs broadcasters who will talk way too much about what type of ballast they see in the background, hit us up!).
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Early Call Time Episode 16: Johan Tigér (CTO, Göteborgsvarvet)
01:15:35
Continuing their international interview series, Eli and Tony welcome the man with the coolest name in the running industry, Johan Tigér, Chief Technical Officer of Göteborgsvarvet, to the Pod. And what a welcome they give him, as Eli greets him by butchering both Johan's and his race's name.
Although our American listeners may not be familiar with it, Göteborgsvarvet is a big deal, the largest half marathon in the world with over 60,000 registrants in its peak year, starting in 30 waves from 1pm-4pm on what's usually a beautiful spring day in Sweden's Second City, Gothenburg (Tony can't get over what these start logistics must look like). As its CTO, Johan is charged with keeping the race ahead of the curve in all areas technology, with a major focus on registration.
Johan came to running a bit later in life than many of our guests, but has immersed himself in running culture over the last decade-plus of his life, since a co-worker at the Swedish equivalent of the NSA asked him to go for a run during and he finished the run with the taste of blood in his mouth. He ran his first Göteborgsvarvet in 2006, and has since run 32 races of marathon distance or longer (definitely not a member of the "just one marathon club" like the co-hosts).
After getting his masters, Johan bounced between e-commerce and working at jogg.se (which he describes as Swedish Strava) before starting a small registration company which Göteborgsvarvet then brought him on to customize as their registration platform. And as the architect of that platform, Johan was recently able to construct a three-click Covid-19 transfer function for its 40,000 runners when it Göteborgsvarvet went virtual.
Eli gets sidetracked when Johan mentions a one-off marathon being held in honor of Gothenburg's 400th anniversary next year, which currently has 6,500 registrants of its 15,000-cap event registered over a year in advance, grilling him about the details of this high production-value, mass participation, one-off event. Johan then gets us back on track sharing the details of what Göteborgsvarvet did when it went virtual, including a custom video (with voice-over work by a national celebrity!) for all finishers. (In the process he drops a sick burn on Eli for his failed hashtag attempts. If he's not invited back, you know why...)
Johan then brags about the Swedish events community, including the multi-sport Swedish Classic series of events which Johan himself completed in 2013. And he also mentions another very cool-looking Swedish multisport event, swimrun. Johan then lets us know right at the end of the pod that we have to wrap it up so he can go home to prepare for the ultra he's running the next day!
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Early Call Time Episode 17: The Guys Do a Draft! (Part 1)
00:46:25
This episode of the ECT Pod is one like none you've ever heard before. Not only because Tony is calling in from under a blanket in a closet in Boston for the recording session, and not even only because Eli is doing the audio editing--but also because the actual structure of the episode is a new one, in which the guys conduct a draft. Inspired by Eli's favorite baseball podcast, Effectively Wild, this week Eli and Tony each draft three things that they miss most about in-person events. Next episode in Part 2 of their draft extravaganza (draftaganza?), they'll each draft three things that they most look forward to for the industry when in-person events return.
Before they get to drafting, though, the guys talk about event people putting their talents to work doing non-event things (and how maybe if event people were in charge we would have the pandemic under control), Eli's employer's return to racing, and the Chicago Marathon Virtual Experience (and how good it is to be a World Marathon Major).
Want to find out what the guys drafted? Want to learn why Tony was podcasting from under a blanket in a closet? We're not giving away the good stuff in the shownotes, so you've gotta listen!
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Early Call Time Episode 18: Kirsten Fleming (Executive Director, Run Calgary)
01:17:21
In this month's interview episode Tony and Eli talk with Run Calgary Executive Director (and the pod's #1 fan from the Great White North!) Kirsten Fleming. We talk about her globetrotting youth, her "past life" in broadcast media, and how her active lifestyle blurs into her job. Along the way we learn how Kirsten landed her dream job with some bravado and the help of a "cheeky" afternoon drink, why Eli makes a better Race Director than a Director of Marketing, and that Kirsten just can't bring herself to say anything bad about Tony... even when Eli threatens to kick her off the interview unless she does.
The guys invite Kirsten to brag a bit about the City of Calgary and Run Calgary's events, and then ask for a peek behind the curtain at how this past May's cancellation has affected the Run Calgary organization. After taking that dark turn, Kirsten brings it back up by talking about what the best-case scenario looks like for Run Calgary in 2021 (Mulligan Marathon, anyone?), and also shares some of her other favorite Alberta-based and women-led races. She also has some suggestions for future podcast guests for the guys.
Is this episode a delight? As Kirsten would say, "Absolutely!"
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Early Call Time Episode 19: The Guys Do a Draft! (Part 2)
01:01:24
In this week's episode, the guys finish their draft, each drafting three things that they most look forward to for the industry when in-person events return. Before drafting, though, they talk about the Virtual Boston Marathon and whether running a virtual race "counts" (the verdict: it clearly does!), give a tip of the cap to past guest Tom Bedford for holding a successful 3500-person in-person edition of the findarace.com Kew Gardens 10k over two days, and then--in a bit of a callback to last episode's interview--talk about Eli's self-deprecation, the Dunning Kruger Effect, and the source of their powers (such as they are). (Warning: Eli drops an f-bomb or two in this segment.)
The draft is a fun one, leading to discussions of topics as far ranging as city permitting agencies' outdated tech, runner resilience and the monster we've created in doing so much to support our runners, the running industry lifestyle and race ops burnout, race weekend hotel room assignments, and old standby topic virtual versus in-person PRs and running "gatekeepers."
Somewhere around the one-hour mark, the guys lose track of what they're even talking about, and that's when they know it's time to wrap up this jumbo-sized banter episode, and with it the first and hopefully only edition of the ECT Pod "what we miss/what we're looking forward to about races" draft.
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Early Call Time Episode 20: If You Build It, Will They Come?
00:36:50
In September's second banter episode, Eli and Tony realize that their homework before the next banter episode is to find another way to open the podcast than asking each other "How ya doing?" since that has become such a loaded question during 2020.
The guys then move onto their topic for this week's conversation: with in-person races slowly returning but demand remaining low, what does the industry have to do in order to make runners feel comfortable and want to return to in-person races? They discuss the actual appetite for in-person demand right now and whether people complaining vocally on social media about the lack of in-person races are a minority (they are), whether these smaller events cater to only a certain type of (mostly-speedier, no-frills) runners but are less interesting to the social-runner masses (they are), and whether races have to make a concerted effort to establish a baseline trust with their runners that their event is safe but then communicate beyond that (just like in the "before times") about what elements make their race worth a runners' while (they do).
Tony compares putting runners at ease about post-pandemic safety measures to putting them at ease about post-Boston bombing safety measures, and Eli proposes that some sort of "contract" between runners and race organizers is necessary, laying out what the race's responsibilities are and what the runners' responsibilities are in helping to assure an event is safe. The guys touch on the idea that not every event needs to happen right now, and that organizations like Eli's that are putting on smaller events right now are both achieving their mission and also doing market research and taking one on the chin a bit for the rest of the industry. But for smaller organizations that aren't capable or willing to do that at a loss, it may not make sense to put on an in-person event right now at this time when, even if we build it, runners aren't coming.
There is strong agreement that, as we return to racing, we're going to need to take the lessons we've learned in creating community in the virtual space and find ways to translate them to our new in-person environment, and also that we should all be kicking ourselves for the money and engagement we've left on the table over the years by not embracing virtual alongside of in-person before the pandemic forced us to. And Tony notes that to know what lessons we have learned we should all make sure our surveys are done the right way, and that if we don't know what a survey done "the right way" looks like, we should consider hiring a professional.
Lastly, astute listeners may note that early on in this conversation Eli, to the surprise of no one who knows him, takes over a minute to realize that he's talking to an empty room as Tony experiences some technical difficulties with their new recording platform. But Tony returns to only moderate criticism, and your fearless co-hosts go on indomitably shouting into the void to wrap up another successful ep of the pod, technical difficulties be damned!
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Early Call Time Episode 21: David Waskowski (Director of Participant Services, Chicago Event Management)
01:18:30
As the calendar turns to October, the month of the 2020 Bank of America Chicago Marathon Virtual Experience, the ECT Pod has on David Waskowski, Director of Participant Services for Chicago Event Management, organizers of the Chicago Marathon. Before you read any more of the summary of what was truly an interesting and insightful interview, please listen to the ECT Pod jingle(!) that our talented guest wrote for and shared with us after recording!
David is a lifelong runner, and the guys wax nostalgic with him about running cross country before this industry veteran walks us through his career path at CEM, the early days of which included a job Tony can commiserate with him about: flyering the Chicago Marathon course. David shares the most Chicago story ever from his days doing race operations--getting approval to place a tent outside a union hall where whoever answered the phone didn't have any time for nonsense. He explains his transition from the race operations side to the experience side, and along the way tells us about the biggest changes he has seen in the industry over his decade-and-a-half of varied experience at an industry leading event management company.
The interview then veers into the esoteric, as Tony and Eli ask their guest of many talents about his much-ballyhooed musical gifts, comedy chops, and whether he has any other super powers that they should know about (he demurs). As inevitably happens when anyone learns that someone plays the banjo, a long digression into David's banjo-pickin' ways occurs. Wazko also shares some insight into the musical breakthrough he has made due to the regular deep practice the pandemic has created space for for him, which is something we all can and should learn from.
There have been some interesting projects going on at CEM recently, and David shares his perspective on a couple big ones: the inaugural Bank of America Chicago 13.1, a major event that planned to bring racing to a new part of Chicago that was planned for this past June but ultimately was canceled due to the pandemic. And the aforementioned Bank of America Chicago Marathon Virtual Experience, which takes a different tactic than many virtual races by opening up new virtual distances to all comers but limiting access to its longest event--the virtual marathon--to only existing registrants.
David, a loyal Early Riser, is prepared for the final question and tells us about his end-of-day on-site ritual of cheering in final finishers (and becoming an unofficial photographer) and then, after taking advantage of the running water at the after-party before ghosting, settling in with some fellow Cheesehead buddies to watch a Packers game.
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Early Call Time Episode 22: Virtual Race Balderdash!
00:57:38
In this week's episode, the guys introduce a segment: Virtual Race Balderdash! During this segment the guys take turns reading descriptions of virtual races and make each other guess whether the description they've just heard is real or fake. If you just want to hear the segment, you can just skip to just past the 27-minute mark, but before that they talk about some industry happenings, some of which are even in-person--like the COVID-safe in-person finish line activation Eli helped put on on what would have been Medtronic Twin Cities Marathon Sunday.
Tony, since he's not in Chicago helping to put on the marathon this weekend, shares his planned participation in the virtual Chicago Marathon Virtual Experience Half Marathon--which, since virtual will be here to stay alongside many events, may not be a one-and-done when he does return to working the event. For this week, though, Tony has to figure out how get his virtual race in around a camping trip he doesn't sound super-enthusiastic about, which leads to the guys talking about both their running tech use and also how they personally don't necessarily follow all of the liability-necessitated instructions organizations give out for virtual event participation.
The guys recap the highest level road race to happen in-person since the start of the pandemic, the elite-only London Marathon, which was conducted on a criterium course and held in a bubble, and also talk a little bit about a similar race planned for Arizona later in the year, the Marathon Project 2020. They agree that criterium-style racing is cool, and is something we would like to see more of.
Tony and Eli then discuss what's going on in the Texas marathoning scene, with Dallas, traditionally held in December, announcing its postponement to late April of 2021 (which the guys are skeptical of), and Houston kicking of the major 2021 cancellations by going virtual for its January event. The (usually) much-smaller BCS Marathon is still on for December and a reg spike seems likely with its major competitors clearing the field.
In their Virtual Race Balderdash segment you fearless co-hosts throw everything at each other, from the RBG Run to the Virtual Virtual Run (featuring a hellaciously difficult online racing game), and in a moment of high drama the winner is determined on the last of the six rounds. Who wins? Who goes home in tears? Did the guys accidentally invent any good virtual race ideas among their fakes? You'll have to listen to find out! (And if you stick around until the very end you'll get a special Easter Egg courtesy of recent podcast guest David Waskowski...)
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Early Call Time Episode 23: Let's Talk About the Weather!
00:48:55
This week's episode kicks off with just what you all listen to this podcast for--an extended discussion of the weather! Once the guys get through that scintillating topic, the guys tease some interviews they have coming up (want to know what they are? Follow us on Instagram, Twitter, or--if you're old--Facebook) before Eli brings up something Tony has in the past raked him over the coals for his views about: virtual race results.
The reason Eli brings this up is that since they last recorded, Tony ran his Bank of America Chicago Marathon Virtual Experience Half Marathon, and his different forms of technology (his Garmin watch and his Strava account) recorded different times with a two-minute discrepancy! The guys discuss all the different ways that a virtual race time can be recorded differently (moving time versus total time, to an exact point or to a distance on a tracker), and then get a little metaphysical in discussing whether and how we can really know what time anyone ran in a virtual race and even if we can say they ran a specific time what that means.
This has long been Eli's point--virtual race times can be accurate enough to track progress and compare against oneself, but aren't precise enough to compare with anyone else with any real meaning. By the end of this discussion, Eli thinks he has Tony converted to his position that virtual PRs are fine to count personally--but if you're going to bring them up as a way of comparing yourself to someone else, you need to mention that it's a virtual PR.
The guys then talk about the re-emergence of regional-level marathon events with the Prairie Fire Half Marathon taking place in Wichita, Kansas this past Sunday, and the BCS Marathon, Mississippi Blues Marathon, and Louisiana Marathon all on the docket in the coming months. Tony says that what he's going to be looking for to judge whether these are safe and successful events isn't anything in the event's plan--we all know what that needs to look like--but what the runners do at the event, and whether they read and then follow new rules that are in place to keep participants, staff, volunteers, and events' host communities safe. Eli says that what he's going to be looking for is for events that are able to take place in-person to be willing to turn people away, and not try to push past their caps to a size they may not be able to manage during a pandemic, and also be willing to understand that--while they have to advocate for their events--the very characteristics that make their event the unique and beautiful snowflake that it is may also make it an event that shouldn't be held, even while another event of similar or larger size may be able to be held.
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Early Call Time Episode 24: Tony Banovich Remembrance (by the BibRave Podcast)
01:18:30
Last week the Montana running community and the national running industry as a whole tragically lost one of its leaders, Tony Banovich, Executive Director of Run Wild Missoula. In what was supposed to be a bye week, the guys discussed producing a special episode in remembrance of Tony, but in doing so realized their friends at the BibRave Podcast had already done so with aplomb. That episode is shared in its entirety here. Thanks to Jess and Tim at BibRave for allowing us to share their episode--if you listen and like it, consider giving the BibRave Podcast a subscribe--and for giving Tony such a lovely remembrance. He'll be missed by all who knew him, and we should all strive to honor his memory by bringing his infectious passion and enthusiasm to our work and lives.
Regular ECT Pod programming will return next week with a bonus second interview in this five-Thursday October. Until then, if you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Early Call Time Episode 25: JT "Just Truth" Service (Founder of Soul Focus Sports & CEO of Silverback) and a Surprise Guest!
01:02:46
In the final episode of an October jam-packed with bonus content Tony and Eli interview a man of many hats, JT "Just Truth" Service, the founder of Soul Focus Sports (parent company of Run Local and the Silicon Valley Half Marathon), the CEO of Silverback, a podcaster extraordinaire, an ex-agent, and one-time running media start-up founder. His audio track isn't the clearest, but we all have a lot to learn from him about how he juggles all these balls--plus finds time to take care of himself by starting every day of with a bit of movement--so listen carefully!
The fastest ECT Pod guest yet, with a strong collegiate career at UCSB and a 2008 Olympic Trials marathon qualifier on his athletic CV, JT went to law school with hopes of becoming the Jerry Maguire of endurance and action sports athletes before realizing "that 15% of very little is even less." While that phase of his career may not have been very remunerative, he did gain some great stories involving Dean Karnazes, whom he represented, and nudity in the desert.
After that chapter, JT started building his empire, which he kindly takes a moment to clarify the many intertwined different arms of to the guys: Soul Focus is his production-for-hire arm, Run Local and the Silicon Valley Half are Sole Focus-owned events, and Silverback is his and Kyle's equipment rental and operations for-hire company. He also talks about having Meb and Merhawi Keflezighi as business partners in the Silicon Valley Half, and how a piece of advice he didn't take from Merhawi has helped his businesses thrive during this time when so many traditional organizations are struggling (Hawi's advice was not "a con starts from the shoes up"--that's a JT original).
A theme that runs throughout this whole interview is the strength of JT's team. Anticipating this like the professional podcasters they are, and also knowing that no one would have better stories, after a brief diversion into JT's newly-discovered Jewish heritage the guys secretly invite Silverback COO and JT's partner in crime Kyle Meyers to join them halfway through the podcast. Kyle doesn't disappoint, sharing stories of JT being "a really good sport" while barely making it through a weekend working the Chicago Marathon, how he regularly cuts his hand while working, and his deep love for a hole-in-the-wall San Francisco karaoke joint. There's one story specifically--that sounds like it involved criminal activity--that Eli can't drag out of him, but he lets Kyle off the hook and lets him finish by saying something nice about JT instead.
Kyle is quite the industry pro himself, so Eli promises to have him back on not just to talk shop but also about Minneapolis (since Kyle was raised in Eli's new home), but everyone agrees he should stick around for the evergreen closer for this episode, too, so the episode wraps with both JT and Kyle talking about their team's post-strike traditions.
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Early Call Time Episode 26: Jared Rohatinsky (CEO, Brooksee/OYO Racing)
01:10:31
In this month's interview episode, Tony and Eli talk to Jared Rohatinsky, CEO of Brooksee and and a member of Utah's famous "running Rohatinsky family." Brooksee, best-known for its series of screaming fast Revel races, is also responsible for what the guys think is one of the most exciting running industry innovations to come out during the pandemic: OYO (as in "On Your Own") racing.
In this interview Jared reveals how OYO was born out of dissatisfaction with existing virtual race options, how its unique set of in-house core competencies allowed Brooksee to realize this concept (a degree from MIT is involved...), the ins and outs of their extensive results verification process, and what's next for OYO (and if you're interested in partnering to bring OYO to your city, you may like what you hear).
Jared also lets us know what wet end-of-race-day tradition he and the rest of the Brooksee crew are looking forward to when traditional in-person racing returns....But until then, if you're looking for the closest thing you can get to an in-person race experience, you should check out OYO!
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Early Call Time Episode 27: Start Line Impact and a Whole Lot More
00:39:27
The guys begin November's banter episode discussing Start Line Impact, a grassroots movement spearheaded by friend of the pod and past guest Kirsten Fleming to galvanize the industry's many players to call attention to running events' positive impacts on their community and the challenges they face right now (want to get involved? Fill out this form). Discussion of Start Line Impact devolves into Tony deciding he needs to start an industry motorcycle gang called "Herd of Cats" and Eli boning up on the definition of "gantry" before Eli moves on by asking Tony to tell listeners about a project he has been working on: the Tony Banovich Roads, Tracks, and Trails Memorial Run, a virtual race fundraiser for Run Wild Missoula in honor of their recently-deceased and much-beloved Executive Director. (Want to learn more about Tony B? Listen to this episode we shared from our friends at BibRave.) The goal is 1,000 registrants, and you can be one of them by registering here.
Eli then does a "professional podcaster segue" into talking about the Running USA Global Running Survey, the industry's annual census of runners. Tony (a Running USA Board Member!) lets folks know that the survey has expanded its scope this year, including both a version focused on the European market and also a new section on diversity, equity, and inclusion. The guys then discuss a serious DEI topic, Rebuild NYRR, an organization established by current and former New York Road Runners employees looking to force the organization to confront what the group alleges is a culture of bias and racism within NYRR. We can't stress this enough: it's important that the industry take claims like this seriously and tries to live up to its stated ethos of inclusion, and this isn't a problem exclusive to NYRR. The guys recommend listeners check out and join the Running Industry Diversity Coalition, and call on all of us to do the sometimes uncomfortable work needed to move the industry forward to become an inclusive and equitable one.
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Early Call Time Episode 28: Learning About The Marathon Project with Matt Helbig (CEO of Big River Running)
01:03:35
In this month's interview episode Tony and Eli get to talk to Matt Helbig, CEO of Big River Running, whose Big River Race Management arm is producing The Marathon Project, an elite-only, 100-runner marathon in Arizona on December 20 which the guys have talked about before on the pod and are very excited about.
After the guys learn a little about Matt's early days in the industry (which include a collegiate connection with one of his partners in The Marathon Project, Hoka One One Northern Arizona Elite Founder and Head Coach Ben Rosario), Matt then tells them about The Marathon Project's origin as Rosario's idea to create a competition opportunity for elite athletes who haven't had many other racing opportunities this year. He outlines the risk that Matt and his partners in this endeavor (the aforementioned Rosario as well as athlete agent Josh Cox) have taken on in producing this event, and how Big River Race Management is taking the idea and making it a reality--from venue-sourcing and course certification to COVID protocols and virtual technical meetings. And in the process Matt almost breaks news on the pod, teasing that there may be an announcement about a TV deal for the race coming soon.
Everything about this event sounds like it will be world-class, and the guys are stoked for there to be a professionally-produced, elite, criterium-style marathon featuring some of America and the world's best marathoners competing for Olympic berths, contractual bonuses, and (hopefully if the sponsors come through) a substantial prize purse before the end of the year. Listen to the full episode so you'll have all the behind-the-scenes details when you (hopefully) watch the race on TV with them on December 20! And consider showing your support for this event (and Matt) by participating in its virtual event.
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In the season finale, the guys start with a toast before discussing the industry news of the day: NYRR leadership turnover, mid-sized races returning (here's to you, Space Coast Marathon and Mississippi Gulf Coast Marathon!), and the upcoming elite-only Marathon Project (listen to Episode 28, our interview with Big River Running CEO Matt Helbig, to learn what has gone into making this event happen).
Tony and Eli then share what they've learned this year as well as their hopes for next year before closing out the inaugural season of the ECT Pod by letting the listeners know what to expect from the pod next year (with juuust a touch of begging for sponsors thrown in).
We hope you have a safe, healthy, and happy holiday season, Early Risers, and we'll see you bright and early in 2021!
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Eli and Tony are back! The first episode of Season 2 of Early Call Time starts with the guys catching up about how they spent their nearly month-long break from podcasting (which, in Eli's case, included going on a mass non-industry running audience about directing large events on the Strength Running Podcast). They then talk a little about what their hopes for the pod this year (some tight explainer episodes! And also a sponsor!) before opining about some good news for one of the best guys in the industry--Ted Metellus's promotion to Race Director of the New York City Marathon. It's a big job at a tough time for New York Road Runners, but if anyone is up for it, it's "Ted the Man."
The meat of this episode is an over-under-challenge in which, after Eli explains the rules to Tony, the guys each come up with three "over-under" propositions for the running industry in 2021 and each take a stand on either side. Click here to see what the propositions were and where the guys landed on them, and know we'll be referring back to this throughout and at the end of the year to see whether Tony or Eli had the better crystal ball.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Story Time with David Katz (Owner, Finish Line Road Race Technicians)
01:19:39
In this week's episode the guys have on the one and only David Katz! The founder and owner of Finish Line Road Race Technicians, David is one of the world's foremost experts on the technical side of road racing. He has not just measured marathon courses and served as an official for world-class events such as the Olympic Trials, Olympic Games, and Eliud Kipchoge's Breaking 2, but also helped to create modern road race standards by serving on the original AAU Standards Committee in the early days of our sport and currently upholds those standards by serving as the chairperson of the Road Running Technical Council (among other roles in the sport at both the national and international levels).
David has been around the sport of road racing since its infancy--and one might even say he, alongside road racing titan Ted Corbitt, played a role in birthing the sport in its modern form--and he pulls from his deep well of knowledge to regale us with stories from re-measuring the New York City Marathon course after Alberto Salazar's 1981 World Best (with an asterisk . . . ) to how the Museum of Tomorrow ended up on the marathon course at the Rio Olympics. The self-proclaimed "poster child for running nerds," David didn't disappoint, explaining the "why" behind all his hard work and meticulous attention to detail in words so profound that Tony declares they should be "the oath" for people who work in operations at marathons.
If you have ever wanted to know what goes into designing the course for an Olympic Marathon, the difference between the "shortest possible route" on the course and the "prudent route," or just want a deep history lesson on the history and standards of the sport of road running delivered in a charming and non-nonsense New York accent, this episode is a must-listen! And for those who stick around long enough at the episode's end, there's a special Easter egg where you'll learn that David's taste in bikes matches Tony's taste in cars.
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Thanks to David Katz for being such an interesting and insightful guest, and thanks as always to all of our loyal Early Risers for listening. Time to get some rest, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Valentine's Day with RD Wives Leslie Wise and Christina Yamanaka
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In this special Valentine's Day (or is it Galentine's Day?) episode the guys hand off the mics to the women who tolerate them, Leslie Wise and Christina Yamanaka, to talk about what life is like when you're married to an RD. They talk about race week traditions, being supportive during busy times, and how at times having an RD for a spouse means you're like ships passing in the night.
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Thanks so much, Leslie and Christina, for showing Early Risers a little bit of the softer side of Tony and Eli (who both want to say that they love you very much), and thanks as always to all of our loyal Early Risers for listening. Time to get some rest, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
In this month's banter episode, the guys start by wishing each other a happy podiversary, as it has now been over a year since we recorded the first ECT Pod! A huge thank you to all of our friends, guests, and listeners who have gotten us this far. And if it's okay with y'all, we're still feeling it, so we're just gonna keep on doing this thing.
Tony and Eli check in on their over/under wagers, none of which are resolved yet. But data points are starting to emerge, some of them courtesy of the Atlanta Track Club, who, almost exactly a year after their triumphant Olympic Marathon Trials, returned to large-scale in-person racing with an approximately three-thousand in-person runner Publix Atlanta Marathon Weekend held at the Atlanta Motor Speedway. The guys are very interested to see large-scale racing continue to (safely!) ramp up, including soon at the Woodlands Marathon in Tony's home state of Texas as well as Florida's Gate River Run, which is sold out at 8,000 registrants (half its usual capacity) for its upcoming race.
The guys then dive into data, talking about what they learned from Running USA's 2020 Global Running Survey and Run Signup's demographic overview of virtual registrants on their platform. There are great takeaways about DEI and how events need to be willing to lead their consumers in that space (and be willing to leave some behind), as well as insights into who virtual runners really are. The biggest revelation of all, though, comes when Eli realizes that Tony can summarize in fifteen seconds what it takes him five minutes to say.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Caroline Fitzgerald (Vice President of Partnerships & Runner Experience, P3R)
00:53:18
In March's interview episode Tony and Eli welcome Caroline Fitzgerald, Vice President of Partnerships & Runner Experience at P3R and fellow member of the "one marathon club," to the pod. Caroline drops tons of knowledge about how P3R, the organization the guys dubbed "Most Likely to Succeed" back in Season 1, effectively integrates its operations teams with its partnerships and experience team to provide great experiences for their runners. From the Racing Pierogis to Pittsburgh Dad, Caroline shares how she and P3R makes it happen, and also comes dangerously close to breaking news about what P3R has planned in the virtual space for the Expo for the 2021 Dick's Sporting Goods Virtual Pittsburgh Marathon.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Mike Nishi (Chief Operating Officer, Chicago Event Management)
01:25:33
In their April interview episode Tony and Eli welcome Chicago Event Management Chief Operating Officer Mike Nishi to the ECT Pod. Mike was the man they had in mind when they created pod, and we can promise this episode lived up to their lofty expectations!
Mike gives the guys a deep history lesson, stretching back to his first childhood experience with the Chicago Marathon (and the nature of that experience will definitely surprise you). He shares how he went from working as a gofer for the Chicago Marathon in its early days, to working for the race full-time, to--along with his business partner Carey Pikowski--forming CEM and growing it into the industry-leading juggernaut that it is today. And along the way he explains the parallel evolution of the Bank of America Chicago Marathon, which is a little 46,000-finisher race that you may have heard of.
This episode is full of insight on creating and maintaining a high-performance culture, the value of connecting with people, being an organization that gives back, and industry insight and knowledge of the type that only Mike Nishi can give. If you want to better understand the big picture of what makes one of the premier event production companies in the world tick, this episode is a must-listen.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
In April's banter episode, Tony and Eli talk about a "triple crown" of Boston topics: the 70,000-runner virtual Boston Marathon, the additional $25 COVID fee being applied to the Boston Marathon registration fee this year, and, most importantly, and a slick Nike/Boston Red Sox collaboration honoring the Boston Marathon but costing consumers a pretty penny.
The guys close by discussing some big news for Tony, but we're not giving any spoilers about that in the show notes--wanna find out, then you've got to listen!
This was a short episode, so it'll also be a short summary. If you enjoyed this one, please rate and review us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you don't ever want to miss an episode be sure to subscribe. If you have any questions, comments, guests you would like us to invite, or topics you would be interested in hearing us explore, please send us an email at earlycalltimepod@gmail.com.
Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
In the only episode the guys will be dropping this month, Eli puts his cards on the table and admits that even after talking about it for the better part of a half-hour last episode he still doesn't understand what Tony's new job is. It's only when Tony puts it in terms of Mad Men that the wheels (or, rather should we say, the carousel) start turning for Eli.
Beyond that, the guys hot wash the recent tragedy at a recent ultramarathon in mountainous terrain in Gansou Province, China, in which 21 participants lost their lives. While details are still emerging, the guys come to the conclusion that, with the rapid explosion of endurance sports in China, and the ever-more extreme ultramarathon scene, that a disaster like this in China wasn't a matter of if, but when. But they also agree that even with the best risk mitigation, all races come with inherent risks, and acknowledging them is important to putting on safe events.
In happier news, Tony and Eli discuss the return of the New York City Marathon this November, and how it and other large-scale events looks will look different than before this fall. This discussion inevitably leads to a discussion of their running over/under bets on events this year, which is currently looking like it could be very close.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Alex Vander Hoeven (CEO, Race Roster and General Manager, Asics Running Apps)
01:10:56
In this month's interview episode Tony and Eli have on a man who is such a big fan of the podcast that he once sponsored it, Race Roster CEO and General Manager of Asics Running Apps Alex Vander Hoeven.
Alex tells the guys about the early days of Race Roster, and how he and his fellow founders originally intended to start a race, not a technology company. They talk about how Race Roster's purchase by Asics happened at a fortuitous time, as it has allowed Race Roster to invest in its products and people during the pandemic, when not all companies are able to do so.
They then do a deep dive on race tech--Alex tells the guys what Race Roster features are underutilized by races, and also how we're just scratching the surface of what technology can do to make RDs' lives easier and runners' race experiences better. Alex is the closest thing the running industry has to a futurist, so there are some great takeaways in this episode for anyone who wants to know where the industry is headed.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
In this month's interview episode Tony and Eli consider themselves incredibly privileged to have on the Race Director of the first major American Marathon to take place since the pandemic, Greg Haapala of Grandma's Marathon in Duluth, MN.
After sharing that he is a fellow member of the "One Marathon Club," stumping Tony on what NIRCA (which he helped to found) is, and letting us all know how Grandma's Marathon got its name, Greg shares the real nitty-gritty details of what it took to make Grandma's happen this year, starting with the smaller COVID-safe events Grandma's put on throughout the pandemic (under 300 runners in 14 hours anyone?) and building up to Grandma's weekend. From how they set their marathon weekend field-size and decided to open registration, to what it was like to wait for the state to loosen protocols enough for the race to be able to take place, to how protocols changed further in the final weeks before the race (and how responding to loosened state protocols isn't as easy as it may seem), Greg spills the behind-the-scenes tea on what it took for the Grandma's team to pull off the successful return of large-scale marathoning to the US.
And at the end of this episode, it gets a little dusty in Eli's studio as he asks Greg the ECT Pod's evergreen closer. Wanna know whether Eli keeps it together enough to keep his curmudgeon card? You've gotta listen to find out!
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After a long hiatus, the guys return for their final episode of 2022! Want to know why the pod went dark for so long? Then you've gotta listen, because they discuss that--and also how it was related to Eli's facial hair getting crazy for a little while. They discuss Eli's lessons learned from the return of the Twin Cities Marathon and any pandemic-related changes he may want to keep, and Tony getting on the mic at the November Project Summit and how events can--and need to--learn from how that organization fosters community. In this action-packed episode they talk about inflation's effects on event pricing, supply-chain challenges' effects on some events, Tony's brief return to his ops days and how he's different from Mark Zuckerberg, and Tony drops a knowledge bomb that sounds like a clickbait headline ("the absolute LAST place that you should cut budget is . . ."). The guys then round things out by checking in on their year-long over-under wagers, which will require a little more research to declare a winner. So stay tuned for that next time . . .
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
Michael Luchsinger (Managing Partner and Co-founder, Event Southwest)
01:03:21
In the Season 3 season premier of Early Call Time, Tony and Eli interview Michael Luchsinger, President and Co-founder of Event Southwest, a Dallas-based event production company that works on some of the biggest races in the country (including the Houston, Chicago, and Dallas marathons) and also happens to be where Tony used to work.
Michael tells the guys his intergenerational event production story, including old school stories about tear-tag spindle timing and when his father sold his business for 100 pairs of running shoes. Michael tells us about how he and his business partner have built the company, the types of things that keep a business owner busy that people solely on the event production side might never see, and how ESW has weathered the pandemic. We also hear about the virtues of producing events for hire versus owning events, how the Texas Distance Challenge is still going strong as it heads into its third year. Most importantly, we learn the one piece of constructive criticism that Tony got during an early annual review. Want to find out what it was? Then you've gotta listen.
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Thanks as always for listening, and we'll catch you bright and early on the next episode of Early Call Time!
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