Conversations with Big Rich (Big Rich Klein)

IH8MUD founder, Brian “Woody” Swearingen, was on the internet before most of us knew what it was. Driving one of his 8 vehicles on the hardest core trails, you find Woody wherever the people are. Check out this episode number 98

4:05– we mowed seven days a week, every hour that we could

9:56 – I basically scrubbed floors and cleaned toilets in a suit and tie for years

11:13 – the better you are at continuing to learn new thing, the better you will be

18:33 – I laid in the driveway under the truck and my friend would sit in the drivers eat and yell through the holes in the floor

29:45 – The links on I8MUD go back to 2002

36:03 – you’re officially white trash when you put your clothes in white trash bags

40:52 – I’m just going to leave a check on your counter

54:41 – I just stand back and see what things need to be done that nobody else is doing

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Alan Woodson of Axis Fabrication, an OG rockcrawler, dishes dirt with Rich on Episode 99. A true east coast competitor, Alan shares his love of travel and building with all of us.

3:13– growing up in a big, little city

11:17 – Scott bailed me out

19:14 – Full Disclosure: I did something to deserve the ability to not have my license

39:13 – let me tell you about how I met Charlie

48:07 – anything west of Tennessee is just a different mentality

56:12 – I’m definitely doing Axis Fab

59:42 – I think people that build and break barriers in the off-road world, it’s a lot like being an artist

1:05:17 – I didn’t come to that conversation with an open mind

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A renaissance man, Corey Osborne keeps re-inventing himself and his ideals by learning everything he can. From corporate suit to off-road guy, Corey brings the CTI trailer to the masses for conversation and insight. Join him at Modern Jeeper online or one of their many adventures.

3:57– It’s a demented curiosity…

13:43 – are you sure this is something you want to do?

21:37 – so that’s why you have a yellow Jeep!

27:54 – …literally having a party for a year and a half straight!

32:22 – you ought to do something you enjoy

38:59 – from “that’ll never work” to just over 9000 rigs on the CTI trailer

43:23 – “you can only say no twice” – you have to be available

49:50 – my most horrible experience off-road, followed by my second worst experience

1:05:03 – I want to be inspired, I want to be inspirational

1:15:17 – Modern Jeeper is really about the adventure side

1:23:03 – the educational side of the off-road industry is going to be important

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Hooked on cars since age 2, Andy Lilienthal is now Warn Industries Strategic Communications Manager. That seems like a mouthful, what you need to know about Andy is that he’s a cars and community kinda guy. He can talk about them, write about them, and work on them. Our kind of human. Listen in as Andy gives us some background on how he got to this point in his career.

2:44 – Hot Wheels were my jam.

7:34 – people swap sides of the desk all the time from editors to PR people

11:27 – united by horsepower

25:50 – basically, I was a toy tester

32:45 – there was a new way to talk to your customer

45:23 – the kindness of strangers

1:00:43 – this industry is full of lots of really awesome, passionate people

1:05:22 – we’re competing in the 2022 ARCA 5000 rally, a time-speed-distance rally through Canada and Alaska

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Crazy Doug with some crazy stories. Shooting golf clubs, racing down ski hills on wheels, blood boosting, cocoa leaves, Baja, rockcrawling. If it includes adventure, this episode has it. Join Doug Hayduk and Big Rich for Episode 102.

5:28 – I won the hill climb three years in a row.

9:53 – I was charge with solving the welding cracking problems on titanium

14:41 – mountain bikers were a little more counterculture

20:36 – I always thought the ultimate opportunity was to use my engineering in sporting goods

28:32 – we were verbally promised bonuses, that didn’t work out

39:46 – gravity carts, like soapbox derby on mountains

48:39 – I’m a legend in Park City

52:25 – All I knew was Baja racing was badass, right?

1:18:34 – It’s really satisfying having friends that will shake your hand and do something for you 

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Let’s do Epic Sh*T! You will laugh out loud with us on this episode of Conversations with Big Rich. Guest, Phil Norvold, founder of Max-Bilt Offroad is a natural storyteller, come along for the adventure that starts with a pizza.  We talk Max-Bilt, leading, Epic Willy’s Adventure, and Mo-hab!

6:39 – I liked taking things apart, if they went back together that was a bonus!

13:04 – not only did I fix a problem, I made somebody’s day

22:55 – old is cool

32:07 – good thing your middle name isn’t Lester

34:09 – there is this pilgrimage to Utah, it’s probably like Burning Man…

43:16 – thanks for worrying enough for the rest of us

53:37 – he rations out two handfuls of salted peanuts for four of us

58:59 – no matter what, it’s going to be better

1:04:07 – there’s no good stories on the easy path

1:07:36 – Let’s do Epic Shit! 

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It's been an awesome two years of podcasting at Conversations of Big Rich. In this episode we share the stats and some highlights.

102 guests: 91 men, 11 women
8114 minutes of content
52,000 downloads with over 4 million minutes listened to

Episodes mentioned:

Bob Bower – Episode 55 and 56

Jack Bettio – Episode 75

Emily Miller – Episode 29

Larry McRae – Episode 15

Rob Bender Park – Episode 8

Charlie Melchner – Episode 4

Then enjoy a replay of Episode #1

The first, the pillar episode of the Big Rich podcast is live! In this episode Shelley interviews Big Rich about the beginning of rock crawling for him. It’s a perseverance story, a succeed at all costs, a bootstrapping, I want this so bad, I’ll do whatever it takes.  Almost twenty years later, WE Rock is still strong. Come along for the journey, see where it all began.

Season 1, Episode 1 with Big Rich Klein

7:20 Who yells “What’s the name of your club?” to guys he’s never met before?

16:56 Cease and desist ordered delivered at his very first rock crawl

24:32 You want how much money? How a county judge helped us out.

30:13 Why we needed a 'Noise Study' at a gun range

33:39 The penalty for being trashy

42:32 The birth of WE Rock, but not without some controversy

52:31 No sleeves allowed! Reno Rocks is off the hook

54:31  Debacle in Farmington 2009

64:39 The Taj Mahauler lives

74:36 Dirt Riot is born

82:44  2020 begins, here's what it looks like

85:34 How 4Low Magazine comes with 20 years of plans

92:14 The history of off-road and why it matter

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The start of the 3rd season of the podcast sees off-road newcomer, Skip Scott, share his story of how he got started with off-road, competition, and this new phase of life. It’s important to remember that all histories matter, new and old, all tell the history of off-road. Thanks for joining us Skip.

5:37 – let’s get the hell out of this Burg!

11:37 – we’re communicating, sir!

17:53 – no one wants to hear your ideas

26:02 – I want somebody to want me and to be valuable

33:37 – I’m free

39:32 – that little dog changed my life right there.

45:01 – solving the puzzle is what keeps us in it

53:40 – I have a bit of an advantage I didn’t have last year

1:15:25 – drivers want to do more than they should, spotters are the reasonable ones

1:22:56 – you are the most important person in our lives because you are the future 

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Mike Stump – from off-road to electronics, back to off-road with electronics. Yep, we all come full-circle. Give Episode 106 a listen on your favorite podcast channel – or YouTube!  Yep, we release on YouTube now at the same time as we release everywhere else – be sure to Subscribe to the channel: Big Rich Klein.

7:49 – they gave me lots of candy

13:28 – we’re going to have beachfront property!

20:00 – just call me Push Start

23:30 – I was kinda a liability.

42:24 – the first black diamond coilover kit

47:34 – at what point do you let go of the throttle?

54:50 – a funny story with Roggy (aren’t they all?)

1:05:59 – it was a sh*t show

1:22:43 – learning all the idiosyncrasies about LEDs

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Making good decisions for his family, work, and team, Russell Battles brings patience and discipline to the sport of rockcrawling and life. Listen in on your favorite podcast app or on YouTube. Always good to hear from our friends, a little history, a little present, a bit of the future. 

 7:48  - …the scout went down the road

12:45 – First phone call to Marlin Crawler

15:40 – know exactly what you want and don’t let them tell you can’t

20:15 – in Abu Dhabi, we were doing something that had never been done in the world before

29:48  - I got into wheeling with some of the best crawlers in the world

33:27 – meeting Old Man Charlie, “is this Carnage Canyon?”

40:32 – we got beat up a little bit 

44:07 - put your faith in your driver 

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Tom Yash brings a ton to the table for any industry company he works for. He’s got all the classic over-achiever qualifications we can all relate to. Never satisfied with just one thing, he’s always building and growing.  Loved this interview, Tom is a great guy, easy to be around, and always up for a beverage or two. We appreciate his participation in Dirt Riot and his contributions to 4Low Magazine.

3:55 – teacher called me a hammerhead

8:44 – who here knows how to drive a stick?

11:35 – “you bought yourself a plastic coffin!”

20:49 – we don’t pay for our friends, we pay for our beer

31:19 – my first trip to Compton, I’m reading street signs, I’m like, I heard this in a rap song.

41:48 – oh, that’s Brad, he can do what he wants

46:17 – holy cow, which vehicle am I going to build?

1:05:34 – I hit the front-edge and the leading edge of the box truck, felt like I ripped the whole box off

1:10:45 – is the juice worth the squeeze? 

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Stephen Watson of Off Road Design shares growing up in rural Colorado to wheeling experiences all over the country. The King of Full-Size, especially GMC’s, Stephen has a storied history. Listen in on your favorite podcast app, or dive in on YouTube – wherever you are, we’ve got your content ready for you.

5:21 – learning how to steer at 3 or 4 years old

14:02 – the magic is less when you know how things work

27:53 – I think there would be more value for most people by just spending more time outdoors

36:45 – I think he was scared I’d end up being a welder

47:21 – all I needed was gas and tires

58:46 – people miss the experience of going to seeing things work

1:04:13 – working on the squares

1:21:45 – makes it easy to assume you need it because somebody built it

1:29:29 – the start of the race hangover 

1:38:37 – we got bit by the Hammers bug

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No wonder Nate Hunt is so good at what he does for Jackson Motorsports and Events, he had work ethic drilled into him from a young age. Listen in as Nate tells us how he landed the job, what life was like between naps and where he likes to spend his time now.  Great listen, good stories, good people – our favorite kind of podcast!

3:06 – meet farm boy Nate

12:21 – third in my class, on the podium

18:10 – You’re only as good today as your practice

25:06 – those tires have been sitting on a concrete barn floor

28:56 – “I got seven trailer loads of tires coming in that need unloaded”

38:15 – I thought I was being hazed or something

52:28 – the people who made my career

1:08:11 – mapping the Baja 1000 race course

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Welcome back to the off-road industry, Clifton!  For the last twelve years, Clifton Slay has dedicated his life to other pursuits, now it’s time to return. Founder of Poison Spyder Customs, Clifton shares how that began and his history prior to. Jumping back in with both feet and his new venture, Hoplite VentureTrek, we can’t wait to see where it goes! 

6:26 – Shout at the Devil!

16:26 – it was either art school or the military

31:53 – connecting to Steve Remore

38:09 – what we needed didn’t exist

48:14 – it was like a sonic boom!

53:22 – the pulse of Poison Spyder was function and style

1:03:49 – it’s hard to watch because there’s no learning curve

1:14:16 – I made some catastrophic mistakes

1:32:57 – Medic Clifton and Valkyrie

1:42:36 – the next step back to off-road

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Based in the hub between Chicago and Milwaukee, Drew Burroughs is making a name for Goatbuilt, not just in off-road, but in the Midwest manufacturing hub.  Drew found his way into off-road through the Polygoats at San Luis Obisbo and hasn’t turned back. Listen in on Episode 112 on any of your favorite podcast channels or even on YouTube. Don’t forget to subscribe!

4:22 – I’ve been working on helicopters for as long as I can remember

17:35 – I bought a Jeep, and then I bought a magazine, that was the start…

24:52 – introduced to the Polygoats

34:25 – I got keys to the shop

43:12 – they were spraying garlic and fish oil

53:28 – that’s my introduction to the industry

1:08:18 – let’s make this thing in a machine shop

1:18:19 – you can just buy it and weld it together

1:28:27 – there’s so much stuff built here

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Variety is the stuff of legends, hear from the master, Ned Bacon, about traveling the world, writing, drawing, competing, and where that landed him. At home now on the ranch in Nevada, Ned has some tales to tell, including managing an 80 car collectors museum. Listen in to Episode 113 on all your favorite podcast channels.

3:15 – I’ve been a gearhead and a car nut as long as I can remember

11:13 – I think I would have been way safer on a motorcycle

23:29 – then I grew up and put it back to stock

39:13 – I discovered this ad in a magazine about crossing Africa in a 4WD

51:18 – he actually went out and looked at my Jeep, Pewe was the first one

1:04:55 – I got started in the magazine industry drawing Cheap Tricks

1:31:36 – we were meeting our match, and our vehicles were definitely meeting their match

1:44:23 – everything changed in 2010

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Uncle Tom’s Cabin is known worldwide as the last stop before hitting the Rubicon Trail. While Uncle Tom’s is owned by the Lawyer family, it is looked after by a variety of cabin holders, Rance MacFarland has been one of those for over 20 years. Listen in as he shares his history of growing up near the Rubicon. You can tune in on any of your favorite podcast players.

9:25 – you got in line and got your sack lunch and headed up toward the (Rubicon) trail

17:13 – he failed me the first time

26:15 – I pulled into a gas station and recognized the truck, asked if they were hiring

35:08 – “oh, you’ve got to change your books”

40:27 – the trades are still there, it’s still a good career

48:16 – it used to be cash-only, and a lot of people don’t carry a lot of cash with them

52:25 – this year is 100 years it’s been in the family

1:00:53 – I think that’s always been Uncle Tom’s deal – hoping that people have a good experience

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Knowing your limits sounds like good advice, but Kevin Yoder tests them anyway!  Episode 115 has Kevin and Rich talking about the early days of rockcrawling and KOH, life lessons in football and rugby, and everything in between.  Join us on your favorite podcast app.

4:30 – My problem with rugby is I kept getting concussions because I couldn't unlearn the football out of it.

12:30 – I learned to camp out in a tent

20:16 – the railroad has such versatility

28:09 – after that, it seemed like the rolls started, it just opened the floodgate

36:15 – I don’t go cheap on safety stuff now

44:11 – I’ve done an off-road competition every year since 98

58:09 – you put on a helmet, you’re driving as hard as you can

1:05:11 – The key is to know your limits

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Frank joins us to talk about horses, his 44 years in motorsports with some version of BF Goodrich and all things in between.  It’s a great listen, Frank knows more about motorsports and marketing than most, come along for the ride by listening on your favorite podcast app.

5:45 – When you can ride it, I’ll get you a saddle and bridle

15:45 – I got hired into BFGoodrich as a tractor-trailer driver

22:09 – I chauffeured a van full of ladies any place they wanted to go

34:15 – SCORE person of the year 

44:56 – the start of my own business

54:23 – full circle with BFGoodrich

1:26:43 – the 49th running of the Baja 1000

1:43:47 – The next chapter is Champs Offroad

2:00:44 – my #1 passion

2:12:33 – become a voting member of the Offroad Hall of Fame

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Larry Trim and his bride, Lois, set themselves up for success. Follow their journey through hard work and consistency to success and freedom to travel and race in this episode of Conversations with Big Rich. It’s a great story of mindset and commitment. Congrats, Larry on a job well-done!

4:30 – the start of my dirt addiction

11:49 – that’s when I discovered I didn’t have four-wheel drive

21:10 – 2.5% unemployment meant that about 2% were working against their will

26:32 – it had a manual transmission that Lois either wouldn’t or couldn’t drive 

32:25 – RSI is still the primary business I have today

37:09 – that’s where Trail Ready came from

47:46 – I’m one of those Dust to Glory inspired people

55:12 – and that’s how a guy like me can have a trophy truck

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The Brown family of Oklahoma has become a rock-crawling staple. Meet the family, Wyatt and Christina, and their boys, Landen and Gunnar. Landen is already a champion rockcrawler, Gunnar won’t be far behind. We love hanging out with these kids, polite and respectful, yet full of energy and daring. Parents and grandparents, listen up, there are opportunities for the youngsters.

4:14 – I had no business being in her shed

11:14 – had a blast watching guys go through cones

18:17 – going so fast, my right leg blew off

27:20 – she shoots, I shoot, and only one of us hit it, and that’d be her 

35:03 – BOOM!  Big ol’ mushroom cloud comes outta that thing…

48:55 – that’s when they found the tumor

58:33 – I like that ninja that shoots ice out of his hands; let’s name it SubZero

1:13:38 – that’s how Thunder Nation started

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Steve Sharp has been outside for as long as he can remember. He shares his passion for outdoors, being a great leader, and knowing when to ask for help with us on this episode of Conversations with Big Rich.  Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

4:40 – If I missed the bus, I got to walk the 3 ½ miles to school

8:25 – just like Mayberry RFD

15:36 – how come you always need tires?

24:41 – I need a job, I’ll work for half the going rate for 30 days 

31:04 – everyone that I can genuinely call a friend, I met four-wheeling

40:14 – it’s a blessing that I get to do what I’m passionate about

55:47 – kind of set the Bronco world upside down

1:02:29 – two things are as hard on the caregiver as the patient – cancer and mental illness, if there’s something going on – seek help

1:08:46 – the sport is great, but it always comes back to the people

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Roger Lovell, of Colorado Springs’ Lovell Racing, on the impact of racing on his family. Part of the duo of Roger and Brad, Roger has had some incredible experiences that are worth hearing about. Be sure to listen in and find out what’s in store for the future of this family. 

5:34 – stupid, little competitions

9:39 – the thing about engineering is it teaches you a different way to think

15:03 – that’s some of the joy of being young

19:01 – the highlight of my racing career 

27:23 – the Bronco is something that would compete with Jeep, but not replicate the Jeep

42:42 – it’s everything about a dirt road…

46:06 – we can recognize each other just by the driving style, or by the breathing

52:06 – “you’re not as bad as she said you were”

55:50 – what racing has done for me is really make me value family and value the relationships that I have

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James Schofield dishes on racing, and tuning, and the stories are awesome. Join us to listen in on the fun and danger of off-road racing and more. Listen in on your favorite podcast app. Tune in and share Conversations with Big Rich with others.

7:43 – if you didn’t play football, you’re nobody in the south

9:45 – the thing I learned in team sports is never quit

17:51 – you just had to have 4 wheels and a tank of gas

28:52 – that peace of mind to know that those parts are good

34:04 – don’t tie up a lot of people’s effort if you just want to be a participant

44:32 – that’s when you start bringing everything in house

47:17 – you’re basically treating it like a rental car with full coverage

52:06 – I was very clear, “this dude doesn’t need to know anything!”

56:20 – that’s the style of racing I try to do, where you just leave every single thing on the table

1:10:25 – it’s great to be able to shake people’s hands and tell them thank you and stuff like that

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Alabama business builder, Dan Dubose, shares some amazing insights on building a business, defying death, and finding that miraculous work-life balance on Episode 122. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app – Apple, Spotify, even YouTube!

5:59 – we’re not going to pass you to go to high school unless you agree to go to trade school.

11:59 – my life sucks, I’ve got all the symptoms, I should probably try some of the samples I’ve got in the back seat

14:16 – I thought someone was messing with me

21:37 – big paradigm shift…metal fabrication is an art

26:23 – well, that’s what the people want

34:10 – I don’t go halfway on anything, ever

37:18 – are you willing to give up everything, because everything means everything.

46:26 – Here you go, this is how you fix it!

57:41 – the Dothan double-wide strip club

1:02:02 – lit me up like a Christmas tree and separated my soul from my body

1:08:59 – one way or another I’ll be involved in off-road

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John Stewart devoted his career to the Navy, and his extra time to Land Use. A lifetime advocate for using public lands, John continues to use his time to keep the government and others from closing off our recreational access to public lands. Listen up to find out where the fight is now, and what you can do to help.

9:05 – I joined the Navy and visited the world

13:08 – I got out of the Navy and then two months later went back to work for the Navy

17:30 – Hey, wait a minute, you close these areas off and we got a lot of problems

23:55 – getting local businesses to really stress what the economic impact would be helps

28:17 – lawsuits are a last resort

34:31 – it’s an easy sell in downtown NYC

40:16 – the difficult part is to get them to understand what we are losing

51:55 – why do you want them to have the permit?  Why not?

1:07:02 – the Hot Topics right now are in Utah

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Former land use officer for Red Rocks, history buff and teacher, video star, David Adams has an impressive resume that includes handling wheeling with grace and notoriety despite his mobility issues. David shares his life history, his addiction to wheeling and Jeep grills and the accommodations necessary to stay out on the trail. It’s a great listen!

4:16 – “if you get shot down, here’s $10K to bribe your way out of the country”

7:41 – my wiring sucks

12:35 – you’re never going to be a construction worker, you’ve got to do well in school 

16:26 – I wanted a Jeep so I could still get out in nature

25:17 – I was the land use officer for 13 years

37:50 – Pritchett Canyon is just iconic

50:37 – the way you reduce damage is to expand the number of trails

1:00:51 – …I literally bent my steering wheel with my face

1:17:37 – I keep the old girl, she’s cantankerous, she breaks down and has issues, always need something, but that’s what all Jeeps are, 

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Companies that survive five generations are a rarity, Austin Harrah shares some perspective about what it’s like in families with that kind of history. It’s an identity he wears on his sleeve as they ramp up for even more work.  Always a pleasure to talk to old friends.

4:16 – I actually started off-roading in high school when I shouldn’t have been off-roading

10:38 – I am not cut out for this kind of freedom

19:06 – my sister and I are fifth-generation, we started in 1895 

26:21 – just a couple of guys having too many beers

36:56 – we had to have a tow truck come and they used a HiLift jack to jack up the tongue of the trailer

47:52 – And then one fateful day at church, foster family in our church had a little boy. He was meant to be ours

1:00:08 – we’re going back to being Bloomfield Manufacturing again

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Another multi-generation company, PCI Race Radios, joins us on the podcast with President Scott Steinberger. Scott is generation #2 with all three of his kids making up generation #3 as they learn the ins and outs of the company. We talk about Weatherman, Baja, and the future of PCI on Episode 126. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app to Conversations with Big Rich – subscribe to find out who drops next week.

5:48 – I have three kids that are maybe a little spoiled

9:51– PCI has been able to keep stuff in stock

12:04 – we’ve got to carry a year’s worth of product on hand so we don’t ever run out 

15:10 – the stars on top of Diablo are incredible, it’s like a light show every night

18:00 – the advent of satellite communications has really filled in a lot of gaps

23:59 – Bill’s like, “think you can put radios in the cars?” – the birth of Weatherman

33:19 – racers are last minute, I’d be up half the night wiring helmets so we’d be ready

42:34 – I really think having a single seat car where when you break down you have to help yourself taught me problem solving

47:26 – he came in as a guy on the tour and now he’s living the life for sure

56:13 – it’s not the car that’s passing you that’s the problem, it’s the car that’s trying to pass him

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When it comes to low-voltage electronics, Steven Lutz is the grand master. A Nissan buff he leads a band of off-roaders who don’t often get recognized. Listen is on a fascinating story told in Episode 127, you’ll learn more about some resources you didn’t know existed. Check it out on your favorite podcast platform.

5:03 – I was a nerd

11:11– I was just as serious about that class as my teacher was teaching it

16:30 – Rather than learning foundational knowledge and then building to the top, I kind of start at the top and work my way down… 

25:58 – I started building the website after a snowboarding accident

29:54 – Kirkwood was probably the single best experience of my life

35:34 – I ended up inheriting the Pathfinder, two-wheel drive basically stock everything

43:49 – getting support for pretty much anything Nissan has been historically difficult

49:09 – I need to know so I can apply the mapping methodologies to the off-road world

1:00:44 – the amount of data these images take up on disk is absolutely huge

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Family Man, Jason Blanton on racing vs. rockcrawling; working the grind and working to win. Always great to see work ethic pay off, spend some time with Rich and Jason on this episode of Conversations with Big Rich. Good things come to those who work for them. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast platform.

5:57 – Snowboarding was pretty big in my life

9:40– I never had a problem because I don’t think I got enough power

17:47 – I’m sure if my first car had been a car, I might have been into streetcars 

22:12 – I started with nothing in a Honda

25:18 – If I go to a job and they have me bid against other people, I don’t even bid

30:35 – You guys got to move your camp, you’re on the start/finish line

37:35 – they wanted pictures all day long of dudes with beards

46:09 – it’s serious, we’re there to win and it’s a business

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Sports photographer, off-road enthusiast, marketing genius – Steven Bisig wears a ton of different hats. Listen in to two old friends talk about all the things they love in off-road. It’s a fun listen. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:41 – I was home by myself and I had a BB gun

12:04– it took you this long to get a ticket??

19:18 – that’s where I met a lot of the industry people I still consider friends. 

25:41 – my main role was anything photography related

28:01 – a pretty crazy event we went down for Supercrawl one year in Vegas…

39:17 – It’s an enthusiast-run company where everybody in the company are car people

44:18 – I special ordered one with a diesel, firecracker red and very minimal options

54:09 – my break into sports photography was through a contact I met at ARB

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Self-acclaimed wimp (yeah, right?) Jason Berger on checking off bucket-list items; living in Truckee, and racing with his best friend. Lots of great quotes and plenty of laughter with Jason and Rich in this 130th episode of Conversations with Big Rich. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast channel.

6:05 – I’m the oddest local to live in Truckee because I’ve never skied Squaw and I’ve never smoked pot

13:22– I put 1000 miles on that truck going back and forth in my parent's driveway

21:51 –… Chris Durham, I swear, I was like, this is the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. 

26:14 – how much time before I lose my finger?

30:10 – the 4wd community reached pretty deep for the Disabled Sports Run

36:37 – you don’t need to win by 10 minutes, you just need to win

43:09 – I’m retiring right now, Shannon Campbell wants my autograph!

50:20 – I don’t think Crossfit is for everybody, I think it is for anybody

1:04:26 – I took JT and Tom Wayes to Baja for two very good reasons…

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Master communicator, Matson Breakey, shares growing up in California’s various cultures; car culture in Japan; MetalCloak’s history, and aspirations as a father of youngsters in his 50’s. It’s a great listen.

5:07 – You think back and go, wow, I’m still alive

8:45 – I learned early the value of communication and communication skills

17:37 – it’s easy to say you care, it’s harder to actually demonstrate that you care 

26:46 – my goal in life was to become a starving artist

34:17 – there was a general sense of being self-oriented, it was a survival mechanism

51:06 – I had this bright idea that I needed to be more professional

57:09 – by hour five there was too much beer

1:08:43 – we got so flamed because it was ugly, so we listened and responded

1:30:45 – Today we live in a world where ’70s is like the new ’50s

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Our personal pit crew captain for many years, Shawn Rants shares stories of KOH, raising kids and working on high end equipment. One of our favorite because of his pure generosity of spirit. Listen up to see what makes the man.

5:26 – if it snowed 4 feet, the bus came to get us with chains on, there were no snow days

14:07– it was trying to do things differently…but a lot of times you end up drifting back

17:45 – Top Eliminator Sand Drags, that’s high horsepower, 3000 HP; 300 ft in under 2.9 seconds 

23:28 – these are around $5 million , we have well over 100 of them…

28:17 – it was enjoyable, but I can’t say it was easy

32:05 – “well. I went and paid your entry fee today, so you have to go.”

39:56 – you might drive 2000 miles to make two 3 second runs

42:34 – my life long goal was to win KOH (in the 4500 class)

47:22 – we always want to do whatever it takes to finish

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Humor is how you get through the tough stuff.  Chip MacLaughlin of Rufus Racing shares memories of early KOH, racing with friends, making memories, and Zandy Willems. This is life and how we live it. Thanks, Chip for a beautiful reminder.

6:25 – we built a lot of fences, dug a lot of holes

9:44 – I got pulled out by four train cars

17:25 – oh, by the way, it has to float 

21:33 – I sold the buggy, then you called and said I had a spot at Hammers

26:06 – the Crawling Chaos guys out of Central Texas were my first race friends

37:38 – don’t be afraid to ask somebody questions

46:17 – we were meant to be together

49:08 – almost all males get prostate cancer, the majority die before they know

55:36 – we did it with humor, and I think we helped some other people

57:13 – the whole point of the team was, let’s go make some memories and find friends

1:08:08 – my last words to Zandy while I was standing in the spotter stand at Crandon…

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Ready for an adrenaline rush? Tom Wayes is living a storied life, it was great to hear some of that tale. Want to hear how he fought off a bear, we’ve all heard part of the story, Tom tells all right here.

5:41 – the first person to introduce me to skiing, and I was completely obsessed with it

8:48 – I wasn’t planning on staying

12:28 – as long as I had my ice tools, my crampons, and a rope, I dropped into anything 

18:57 – we chartered a Russian heli…and just pointed at stuff and landed on it and skied whatever we felt like

21:21 – Putin’s coming, Putin’s coming…

29:28 – I kind of enjoy just keeping people guessing on where I’m going to qualify

35:08 – never grab your gummy snacks with your race gloves…

38:31 – I gather up some lawn chairs, I gather up a golf cart, and then…

42:16 – always use the best equipment

54:25 – the bear encounter

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“You don’t know what you can do until you do it, right?” Our man, Rob Usnick is still pushing the limits. From Ranger School to Bridal Fashion, and everything in between.  No, seriously, this renaissance man is throwing things up and hitting them out of the park daily. 

4:35 – I put all my cards and chips in the middle

9:55 – small towns are bad when they are your small town

14:50 – it’s hard to get into a firefight 

22:18 – when you’re with people who are badasses, you don’t realize you are one too

33:13 – the paparazzi’s here, it was a training distractor

41:32 – then I did King of the Motos, which is up there in the five dumbest things I’ve ever done

45:13 – there’s not many days to make your whole nut for the year

52.25 – “what are you doing in here, boy?” I’m here to get some fabric, I’m like, “daddy can sew!”

1:00:06 – one thing I hate is when people say, “oh, you can’t do that”

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Bailey admits to not being very interested in motorsports as a youngster, but once she got the bug, it’s been a steady rise to the top. It’s a great place to be for this girl!  A talented driver and a great role model for all, Bailey Campbell shares her interests with us on this episode. Give it a listen on your favorite podcast app.

3:53 – my dad told me I couldn’t race unless I got down to the shop and got my hands on some of the cars myself

15:42 – my Uncle Nick spotted for me and I accidentally ran him over

23:55 – my dad’s biggest thing was always throttle control 

33:25 – my favorite part is probably pre-running because you’re going at a slow enough pace to really see the terrain change

42:17 – I can’t believe how far they’ve come in technology and way they work with us

50:42 – I just have these main goals that I need to accomplish – the first is to be the first Queen of the Hammers

54:06 – I grew up with a never quit attitude

59:50 – every co-driver I’ve had, every spotter I’ve had, has taught me something new

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Of all the titles Ryan Miller carries, internet fact checker is one of my favorite – it’s not that he’s a smartass, he just remembers everything. What rock to turn at, which race was won by whom, how many turns of the wrench gets you the exact ride height you need. Ryan is smart and talented, listen in to this rockcrawler/navigator/racer/husband/dad/rattlesnake bite survivor, I promise you’ll learn some things!

10:31 – I don’t like to suck at stuff

17:44 – “I want you to be lost to find me”

24:54 – the idea of the Arizona Wildcat Off Road club was if you go out into the desert and get stuck, at least you have some buddies to come get you unstuck 

33:15 – I was like, I don’t know how I’m winning, but I am

39:43 – all those Southwest guys didn’t even know what mud and trees were

50:37 – it’s easy to go our and break something, but just as easy on the equipment and get through it

1:00:24 – how do I tell Bailey that her race is over?

1:05:36 – oh, yeah, you wear out the refresh button. Refresh, refresh, refresh!!

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Tech Tim joins us to share his love of learning, self-proclaimed luckiest man in the industry; friendships and gumption have offered a lot of opportunities. ARB to Northridge with some stops along the way; Tim Lund has been all over making friends. It’s a great story, tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:56 – Beautiful bike, right out of Monkey Ward or Sears catalog

11:46 – “wow. You did really good, just like your older brother.”

21:31 – we ate like kings 

35:20 – I had a neighbor with a first gen Toyota pickup…

47:20 – …there’s got to be more to a differential

57:17 – “understand, we buy the beer.”

1:17:57 – there was the honeymoon period, we had so much business

1:28:56 – that was the infamous Scherer and Campbell drag race in the Hooters parking lot

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Want to know about the women in Levi’s life? He tells all about Lently, Layla, and Loretta in this conversation with Big Rich. Watching this kid grow up in racing has been a pleasure, from XRRA to Dirt Riot to racing internationally and KOH, Levi is a good egg – listen in on your favorite podcast app.

4:10 – chances are if you’ve ever had a steak, it’s from my area

9:01 – the effort you put in is what you are going to get in results

13:11 – I love motors for good reason, because I didn’t have to wake up every morning and feed them 

22:41 – that car was a pivotal moment for me, I had to put my heart and soul into this

28:06 – I learned the brakes on the left and not to let that right foot do everything

35:55 – we opened up a baby naming book and counted down 81 names, the number was Layla, that’s how we named the car

40:00 – …and I’m like, Shannon Campbell just told me to drive his car!

49:39 – my favorite race track would be Glen Helen

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Gunfighter, animator, filmmaker…I love the labels off-roaders accumulate. Everyone comes with a myriad of talents. Krawlzone.tv creator, Nathan Riddle, has been bringing us off-road content for more than ten years; it’s an awesome history. Listen in to Episode 140, and if you need to catch up – you can find all episodes on your favorite podcast apps, YouTube or www.bigrichklein.com 

4:29 – “Hey, I’ve got an idea”

8:00 – A theme that we’ve kept all the way through, the passion and connectedness of the community

18:57 – the cool thing about Sand Hollow is actually blazing new trails 

23:36 – I was a little jealous that I didn’t get to participate in Little Hollywood with John Wayne walking the streets

29:55 – I was a Jeff Foxworthy kid, “if you live in a house that’s mobile surrounded by a dozen cars that aren’t…”

36:57 – I moved over to Spacestation Animation, and the whole ecosystem is well over 150 people

44:56 – having more of an authentic come along, come hang out with us

50:36 – oh, hey, we’re out here on the trail with “Nobody”

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“Write the story you just told me,” that’s the advice Sue Mead got when she was struggling, “just simply put those words down on paper,” and it wasn’t bad advice. That’s the secret to getting started with just about anything. Begin with what you know. Big Rich was privileged to interview ORMHOF inductee about her life in off-road – they talked Camel Trophy, Dakar, Gazelle, and Baja 1000 among other stories. We could all learn a little about bravery and living life to the fullest from Sue. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app, then dream a little about what’s next for you!

6:49 – Rural can be different depending on the makeup of people that live in an area

11:12 – my first roll of film had three photos go to the Associated Press

18:22 – 85% of the photography needs can be met with a cell phone 

24:42 – make sure you know your exit before you get on top of things

30:43 – “What I really want to know is how do you get along with people?”

35:01 – “your organs are shutting down, we don’t know if we can save you.”…I prayed two prayers that day.

43:04 – “you didn’t do too bad for a girl”

There is more, so much more; listen in to hear about Borneo, Bolivia, Alaska, and so many more adventures.  When I grow up, I wanna be Sue Mead!

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Mr. 4th Place, Dave Wong, has shaken off that title to become a champion trail breaker. Dave shares his history in California and now Utah. Listen in to one of the kindest men in rockcrawling on your favorite podcast app.

7:42 – There was a lot of chocolate pudding I put down as a kid

18:51 – there’s so many stories I have about my dad, his heart was always in the right place for the kids

30:11 – I couldn’t ever leave any vehicle alone

43:51 – Just take her for a ride in your car

51:50 – I always wanted to compete, but I never thought I was capable

1:05:47 – she’s been trapped in the laundry room – “didn’t you hear me banging?”

1:09:10 – whatever you do and whatever I do, I’m going to be fourth place

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First-generation car guy Bryant Blakemore talks off-road racing in Texas and Mexico. He and Big Rich go in-depth on what happens when dust and brains combine. A great conversation about TDRA and TORRA mixed in with some charity work; check out https://www.torraracing.com/charity/ for some good works heading into the new year.

9:08 – I know enough Spanish to get into trouble, but not out of trouble

15:52 – I’ve taken every math class you can take, but I’ve taken every math class three times

20:52 – Lubbock is a secret hot-rod town; the car culture here is awesome

25:37 – the very top of my bucket list was to race Baja in my own truck

33:03 – when I had the opportunity to get my feet wet, I jumped in head first

41:02 – Sierra Blanca is the Ensenada of Texas

55:08 – spend a little time at some smaller local races to get your bearings

1:16:01 – I think we have four flat tires

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The mission has changed, the passion has not. Chris Brahs and Drew Garcia talk with us about the changes at Outlaw Desert Racing due to government-mandated changes in their state and how they pivoted. Adrenaline Therapy, pit support, and off-road racing across the region in support of combat veterans is their focus now. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app – a new episode releases every Thursday at 2 a.m. – if you subscribe on an app or YouTube, you’ll get notified every week.

5:25 – just work hard, play hard, right?

10:44 – our social media just took off the last three months

18:11 – That’s the good thing about the teamwork that Drew and I have created…

29:08 – our New Mexico land trust commissioner wouldn’t even have a meeting with us

35:26 – one of our goals is kind of a dream

42:11 – we gather items to mail overseas to troops that are deployed for Christmas

48:14 – we have a lot of support and we’re growing

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CORVA President Michael McGarity explains Land Use you can understand on Episode 145

Want the insider's view of Land Use? This is the episode you need to listen to, then go back and listen to Del Albright and John Stewart and stay tuned for future episodes. Michael McGarity leads the conversation in Episode 145; the current President of CORVA brings a lot to the table, so listen close. Find us on your favorite podcast app – a new episode releases every Thursday at 2 a.m. – if you subscribe on an app or YouTube, you’ll get notified weekly.

5:54 – the Sheriff would just wave and tell us to be careful

11:10 – the accident changed the course of my life

33:59 – servant leadership and followship 

45:13 – in collaboration with the land they manage, they don’t own it; they manage it

54:36 – what’s going on with the Rubicon trail – TODAY!

1:10:32 – we need a Panda Bear to protect

1:25:30 – I need others to object and rip them on social media so I can refer to that

1:40:39 – let me tell you about the 30x30

1:59:20 – Support where you recreate

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Armando Verdugo shares his love for off-road and why he gets up in the morning to go to work! Founder of Herooffroad.org and BAM Strategic, Armando has been around the off-road block learning how to help the small business guy tie everything together. It’s a good conversation between two friends. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app – subscribe so you don’t miss anything, a new episode drops every Thursday morning, early!

3:56 – I just kept moving progressively east until I got to just outside of Phoenix

11:02 – it was a good time to build myself into what I wanted to be in this industry

18:13 – the start of Herooffroad.org 

35:33 – My thing with Hero is that I’m not going to save all of them, but I’d like to save one

43:29 – your website is your Nexus, your home, you want it to be open and inviting

52:02 – the PSA’s? that was a way for me to vent after dealing with customers

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Ken Hower and the Rubicon Trail Foundation is all about education, that’s their mission. As a 501(c)(3) Education foundation, RTF hopes to educate all to enhance the future health of the Rubicon Trail. There’s a lot going on right now with the Trail, listen in so you can stay informed, it really is fascinating stuff! Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app – subscribe so you don’t miss anything, a new episode drops every Thursday morning, early!

5:30 – he was all kinds of notorious

13:06 – so, playing in a band, how long was your hair?

28:22 – “There are people who wonder what the F* happened, there are people that make Sh*t happen, and there are people that watch it happen.” 

37:20 – not that people were mistreating (the trail) intentionally, it was just not knowing

46:34 – it was the community that extracted them, just as it should be

47:31 – **be sure to listen** the history of the law regarding the Rubicon trail starts here

1:17:35 – read the mission statement

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One of the co-founders of Rigid Lighting, Taylor Anderson, shares life in the off-road lighting industry and what has come after. Company culture, offroad racing, and lights are part of Episode 148. Tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:53 – the cool pines of Arizona

12:21 – who rolled one first?

17:16 – Christensen invited us in so the Anderson brothers joined up and became partners 

24:07 – the three-inch pod, little Rubik’s Cube, you could fit it anywhere

27:26 – I was the gatekeeper for culture, how we treated our employees

30:29 – I had the most fun I’ve ever had in my life

39:41 – “you sold your right to complain.”

51:07 – my latest obsession is vintage axes

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Toyota expert, Brian Ellinger, joins us on Episode 149. Brian is the owner of Front Range Offroad and Diamond Axles, a former rockcrawling competitor, Brian aspires to a quiet life where it’s less people-y. Tune in to your favorite podcast app to listen in.

6:30 – wood does things metal doesn’t, like warp when it gets wet

10:55 – the backpacking mentality works with my brain

20:07 – “what’s a tombstone?” 

26:50 – what better time to take the plunge, there’s plenty of time to recover if you go broke

33:51 – we’ve only kept the things that people actually want

41:59 – I met Dave face-to-face in a dirt lot swapping an engine the day before the comp

52:15 – you guys do really well on the hard, technical, weird stuff

57:41 – I’m not trying to win, I’m just trying to finish

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Former Four-Wheeler writer, Robin Stover gives us some insight on what it was like to travel during the heyday. Dakar, Baja, South Korea, it’s all there!  Listen on your favorite podcast app. This is Episode 150 – feels like a milestone!  Thank you for your support and encouragement!

2:56 – my first exposure to the off-road scene was on the Big Island

10:17 – there’s a story to every single repair, the beginning, the middle, and end

16:19 – they handed me the keys and said, “here, we want you to do part two.” 

22:15 – Looking back I guess Baja would be the one thing that was the biggest takeaway

31:03 – we don’t want people coming home in coffins

34:50 – we got to go into tunnels that actually extend under North Korea

47:54 – Live coverage begins tomorrow of Top Truck Challenge, so I promptly quit my job…

57:40 – I feel like I aligned myself with the right person in life that really has his sh*t together

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With the attention span of a 3-year-old, competitor Rob McKenney, shares some great stories. New York to the PNW, this crane operator knows his stuff and his friends. So good to talk to him again. Listen in on your favorite podcast app.

4:20 – early on, I got relieved of my privilege to ride the school bus

10:54 – if I showed up a minute late, I was working Saturdays for free

14:43 – we pioneered the homeless stuff 

21:52 – what are you going to do? I said, Jeff, we’re going to break the axle, and we did

32:02 – the ups I never got great at, but the downhill, gravity is your friend

42:33 – Nick and I had the famous Casey Curry incident where we might or might not have driven over a car he was driving

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Interested in the secret sauce?  You’re going to have to listen to it all to hear the incredible history of Marty Fiolka, Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame inductee in 2014. Marty has had experiences we all dream about.  Listen in to catch them all, this is what we call a life well-lived!

4:18 – the first real seed of, Oh my God, Motorsports is so cool!

13:11 – I learned that craft with some media things and then parlayed that into a job

23:25 – there was no easy portal to the sport 

29:11 – we had to promote it as an offroad cultural hub

35:21 – in the end, how much did we move the needle in offroad racing? 

41:25 – it’s a fascinating history and it’s a fascinating people

46:45 – a lot of the history helped to roll out the Dirt Sport magazine too

55:05 – a couple of stories I am most proud of; Robbie Pierce getting started; the Baja 1000 Commemorative one, and ….

1:02:28 - …as a career-defining moment, I think Crandon is at the very top

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Land Cruiser Afficionado, Kurt Williams, knows every little thing you can know about Land Cruisers. That’s what happens when you take them apart piece-by-piece and then put them back together. From business to cars, Kurt knows his stuff; since 2001 he’s been at the head of Cruiser Outfitters. Join us as we talk Toyotas and adventure – lots of worldwide adventure, with Kurt.

6:08 – the real school, the actual university, University of Utah

10:05 – that’s when I started recognizing the difference between a Land Cruiser and a Jeep

16:44 – we went full in, it spiraled out of control as we started taking things apart 

22:57 – this is like paradise for me

28:13 – had no intentions of doing anything beyond helping Daryl sell off the business 

41:44 – let’s talk about Expedition 7

51:23 – we had a Russian fixer with us

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Judy Smith, the Grand Ol’ Dame of Off-Road Racing was honored by the Off-Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in the Class of 2008. Having moved from Connecticut to SoCal in the 40’s, she was introduced to off-road with her husband in the 1960’s. Over the years she told many a racers stories as they competed in the desert. Her favorite column was the “Losers” where she interviewed those who didn’t make it to the finish line.

Rich got a chance to interview Judy by telephone with her nurse, Jennifer facilitating the call. In Judy’s own words, she doesn’t get out much anymore, but the spirit is willing if you’d like a companion to a race. The oral history of the ones who came before is such a treasure. Thanks for paving the road, Judy.

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6:14 – back then, California teenagers were very different from Connecticut teenagers

10:59 – that’s good for women, and I wondered what I could do?

19:13 – I was always happy if there was another racer broken in the same place 

23:25 – no one was there to say, “you didn’t do that right”

30:06 – I remember one guy telling me if I ever beat him, he wouldn’t come back – I don’t know whatever happened to him. 

38:56 – how could you be that dumb on a place like the Peninsula and not know where South is?

Take a look at one of Judy’s “Loser” stories here:  https://simplebooklet.com/1988volume5number3dustytimesmagazine#page=25

Digitizing Dusty Times has been an ongoing project of the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame, we are fortunate to get to access the writing of history.

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Tire guy, Jeff Cummings, is a great storyteller; it must have been a prerequisite at BFG – listen in as he shares some great insight on tires and life. From Wisconsin farmer to Baja Pro, Jeff brings life to every story. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

2:34 – My grandfather probably qualified as the Farmer in the Dell

14:00– you’d put a paint stripe where the rubber started and where it ended and then initial it so you got credit

27:18 – Lord, it was painful, you had these Robert’s Rules of Order, and you couldn’t really talk unless you understood all of those things 

43:13 – “that kid’s too stupid to sell tires”

54:46 – “you know, you do some things that really irritate folks, but as long as I don’t catch you sitting still, I can cover up any of your ills.”

1:10:43 – “what do you know about rockcrawling? …she proceeded to let me know, Goodyear is winning everything there and I want you to stop that”

1:30:34 – the best tire in the world misapplied is a piece of crap

2:05:54 – I either credit or blame Rod Hall with my move to Nevada

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The title can never quite describe the podcast; Adam ‘Skinny” Lunn is so much more. Coming out of North Texas, he wiggled his way into the Arizona scene as a sweeper in the Campbell shop and expanded from there to 11 years driving and winning desert races—great stories from the early days and beyond. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:06 – I started chopping this thing up, thinking I was going to rock crawl a Z71 pickup

8:31 – I think right away we knew we were outgunned – we showed up with a 4 wheel drive and left with a one-wheel drive

12:41 – “kid, everyone that works in here’s last name is Campbell” 

15:37 – I was going to be a professional rockcrawler, so I quit school without telling my parents

22:22 – I went into gypsy mode

25:21 – …until the fire got to me, I wasn’t burning…

35:39 – I don’t know if I’m dumb or tough, maybe both, anybody else would’ve quit

41:29 – I got my biggest break, the Trophy Tractor was born

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Self-taught, all-in kinda guy Adam Scherer, founder of Tribe 16 near Fort Worth, Texas, is a helluva nice guy. Talented and likable, Adam brings the best to the build; whether it’s a racecar or a trail car, Adam and his guys have the talent to deliver. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:14 – I would say the people you run with really influence you on stuff like that

8:32 – the car stereo scene was what led me into wanting to build stuff

11:24 – anything and everything I’m involved in, I usually take it to the max 

15:03 – “Hey, we’re looking for someone to start outfitting some of these Jeeps.”

21:43 – Pirate 4x4 was my mentor

27:50 – my first project at Tribe was fixing a racecar for Barry Beadle

34:06 – I remember watching Casey walk up, and I was like, are we related? Is this my brother?

42:42 – our favorite car to build was Alex Wacker’s IFS car

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Come Get Ya Some’s Duane Garretson lights up the podcast this week with some great stories. Learn how Duane got to be the ultimate competitor at WE Rock, Dirt Riot and Ultra4.  Good man to know, with great friends. 

3:56 – I gained a lot of independence just by having transportation

12:42 – I was really happy he was spending $6/hour when he could have been spending $3.15

18:10 – I was like, I need me one of these four wheel drives 

24:33 – hey man, where’s the biggest salvage yard?

28:55 – how the hell are we going to do this with $2,500?

38:16 – wouldn’t it be funny if we put this blow-up doll in this Jeep and drive it from Arkansas to Tennessee?

50:04 – “I want to build you a race car.” That’s great man, but I’m poor as Sh*t

1:06:50 – Dan Fresh is standing there in his street clothes, what is he doing that we’re not doing?

1:16:50 – I’m Ricky Bobby from Talladega, Alabama!

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If it has an acronym, Chris May has probably raced there – KOH, ECORS, UROC, WE Rock, XRRA – it’s been a long road and now he’s started on the next generation of racers. Great stories of a couple of guys with high-budget dreams and low-budget pockets; it’s a fun listen. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:52 – My dad was like, “you do not want to work on cars, that’s a bad profession”

12:08 – don’t ever take your vehicle to a WalMart, we tore up so many vehicles goofing around                                

19:52 – we entered Tuff Truck, our vehicles kind of sucked, but we entered anyway 

24:16 – being in South Carolina, we didn’t learn about a lot of stuff til later on

32:15 – I got to do something easier so I have energy to go work after work

50:08 – Drew got an invite to the OG race, be he was like, my dad’s never going to pay for that much gas to go to California

52:14 – When everybody went off the line, I just followed the last guy and took off

59:28 – my daughter is racing the kids stuff, and it’s kind of short course

1:10:46 – Keep it real, it makes it less stressful and you can have more fun

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ORMHOF Class of 2004 inductee Herman Booy was larger than life. Listen in as his daughter and nephew, Sherry and Steve, share life on the sand with Herman and his brother, Hal, and all the adventures they had. We are thrilled to be able to offer interviews with inductees' families when the inductee is no longer with us. This is our history; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:17 – There are these sand dunes over here called Glamis; why don’t you come on out here?

14:38 – we got back to camp, and one of our buddies was gone!                                

18:59 – an amazing engineer for a man not classically trained as one 

21:49 – Dad took the conveyor belt out of the rose business and stitched it together to create the first paddle tire

27:43– no raffle tickets from Loretta, so she shot him!

33:40 – the Blue Goose was one of the first modern type motorhomes they built from a bread truck

42:32 – he had to push that car across the finish line to get the win

52:50 – what’s the worst that can happen? It doesn’t work, so you figure out what you did wrong and fix it again.

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ORMHOF Class of 2007 inductee Frank “Scoop” Vessels was inducted into multiple Halls of Fame in his short lifetime. Taken in a plane crash in 2010; Scoop took the Off-Road world by storm until his return to Quarter Horse life in 1993, where he was born and bred. Join his wife, Bonnie, and Big Rich for a listen in on the impact of Scoop’s life.  We are happy to be joined by family members to be able to offer interviews with inductees' families when the inductee is no longer with us. This is our history; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:06 – That kid’s got a head like a scoop shovel!

9:29 – he passed being jockey-size when he was 12 years old                                

16:32 – that’s what got him into desert was his dad getting him off the streets 

19:15 – the pride of knowing he had done it on his own

22:58– slower is smoother, which protects the car

33:26 – in order to succeed, you couldn’t have a hiccup and forget a tree or a cactus or a rock

46:23 – you couldn’t tell Mike (Mike’s Sky Ranch) no, if he wanted to show you a secondary route, he was going to show you

51:53 – they’d flown into weather, he iced up, lost a wing, and it spiraled down on a cattle ranch

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Dove Creek, Colorado produces pinto beans, hay, and one of the finest rockcrawling teams. Rick Deremo and Rick Gersch have known each other for a lifetime and rockcrawled as a team for many years.  Retired now, at least from crawling, they share their take on life in a small community. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:19 – we’ve been around each other forever

12:43 – a lot of kids that went to school here; their folks were miners during the uranium boom                                

16:12 – you know what? I think we can do this 

22:42 – How many adaptors go from a Subaru to a C4 – it was farmerized

28:03 – I didn’t like Goldendale; it seemed like I was farming again, there was so much dirt

31:48 – Back then, ingenuity was a bigger player than money

37:18 – back then, I was drinking Monsters in between courses and stuff and getting a little hyper

47:48 – were you keeping an eye on the gauges?  No, I was just having fun!

59:18 – right now, 60% of all farmers are in their mid-60s; there are going to be a lot of retirement farms in the next few years

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We don’t tend to think of influencers in the octogenarian stage, but Bob Ham certainly qualifies. Bob spent his career influencing people where it mattered, in land use advocacy in the California State Legislature. From forming CORVA to being on the Off-Road Motorsports Hall of Fame Board of Directors, Bob knows how to get things done and impact others. A 2006 inductee into ORMHOF, Bob Ham is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:50 – I started picking up Spanish and really getting engaged with the culture down there

8:43 – I probably went to virtually every Baja 1000 since the ’69 event                                

12:06 – we formed CORVA in 1971 and got involved writing bills 

23:27 – there ought to be a law that allows green stickered vehicles to connect a trail – we got it, Assembly Bill 1201

32:13– most lobbyists come in just the way I did, as former legislative staffers

42:45 – it’s not the offroad Racing hall of fame, it’s the offroad hall of fame

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Are you headed to the Delta Classic Rock Crawl this weekend?  Listen in to this great interview with Ryan Maxfield to hear all the details.  It’s not just about Delta; it’s about life in Utah, building a business, and addictive rockcrawling. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:39 – we were definitely skipping out on school to go ride instead of sitting in class

10:50 – I discovered Pirate 4x4; I’ll probably never financially recover from that              

18:20 – that was the day, I was like, I need a buggy in my life 

24:04 – we underestimated stepping up to pro courses

37:26 – I didn’t have a ton of motivation to make events this year, then I watched the live feed, and I’ve been on the sidelines long enough

51:35 – Delta will always have a special place in my heart; when we got the opportunity to take it over, it was a no-brainer

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Larry Minor credits his friends for a great racing career, from Rodney Hall to Herman Booy to Bill Stroppe – they all started at the beginning. It’s always a great time to be in off-road, but the beginning was pure magic. Following a compass or a paper map is very different than what we do today. Congratulations to Larry Minor, a 2005 inductee into ORMHOF, Larry Minor is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:29 – of all the things I’ve done in life, I think I miss growing potatoes the most

10:18 – my hot rod was just a wood one, couple of 2x4’s and an apple box                             

14:38 – the three of us together, there wasn’t anything we couldn’t build right 

19:07 – we had a banner year driving the Broncos; after that Rod continued to drive the 4x4’s

22:15 – he smoked the tires and hit the guardrail and the other guardrail, it was a mess!

31:56 – I better buckle down and watch the business and quit the driving part

37:17 – I took 18 Girl Scouts and 13 parents to the Winter Nationals!

42:13 – Bill Stroppe taught me the professional part of racing and how to prepare your cars

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If you’re a military vet, look up Admiral Mike with Mag7 and WarFighter Made, you’ll likely find him in Baja; he’ll help you find your family. Offroad or military, there is so much love. Mike tells a great story and the history of Mag7 – real and embellished. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:43 – I decided I needed something that was a little more comfortable to drive, so I moved up to a class 9

9:29 – What I love about this offroad community is my family, my earned family              

15:40 – there is the truth, and then there is the embellishments of the truth 

25:05 – The logistics is what makes us successful

34:13 – I look at what we do in Mag7; it’s almost like a special forces organization, they’re self-selecting in what they do

47:48 – I’m absolutely convinced that we lose 22 vets a day to suicide because they’ve lost a sense of purpose and they’ve lost that military family

53:29 – people don’t know that Bruce Meyers was a real hero in World War II

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Family man, Nate Hurst – the milkman, joins us on Episode 167 to talk about competitive rockcrawling, Rock Crawlers for Sale, and the Delta Classic Rock Crawl. Still on a high from a great weekend at Delta, Nate tells some funny stories about him and Ryan Maxfield. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:52 – It was a curse, doing well in school pretty easily, it was a curse

12:18 – it was really awesome until 3 months ago, our bank collapsed in outstanding fashion              

17:01 – my dad’s desire to work on stuff himself molded me a bit 

22:06 – then, in 2008, I bought the current XJ I have, Snowflake

28:43 – “Well, are you going around for the bonus line?” I was like, year, I’m doing the bonus line!

36:51 – I have the big check for $45 hanging in my garage

41:56 – the relationship is crazy because we’ve got each others lives in our hands

51:15 – He’s like, where’s the cone at? And she held her hands right up in the air, and then patted the cone three or four time – the cones’ right here!

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King of the Motos, Rebelle Rally, Dirt Bike Test, Dakar, and the Jimmy Lewis Off-Road Riding School… there are a lot of balls in the air for a self-proclaimed washed-up motorcycle racer. Take a trip around the world with Jimmy and Rich while they talk about the evolution of motorcycles in off-road.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:15 – I was only interested in school because it kept the motorcycles coming

11:18 – the original deal was we would ride once a month; it wasn’t going to become a thing              

20:20 – I want to do this, how can you race and make money? 

30:11 – I was really enjoying what I was doing, basically living in my box van, traveling around the country, and racing

34:10 – “Hey, do you want my job?”

38:54 – “We might be able to put something together for Dakar” – so, it was game on!

48:19 – you train and you focus and you do the right thing

58:03 – The way I like to put it is I ride the race, I don’t race the race

1:06:14 – I understood our audience, I knew who I was talking to

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Class of 1978 inductee Vic Wilson comes with many accolades including the first ever winner of the Mexican 1000 in 1967. Long-time racer, track promoter and Volkswagen guy, Vic brings the memories alive for us. Congratulations to Vic Wilson, a 1978 inductee into ORMHOF, Vic Wilson is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:06 – in those days, dirt bikes weren’t available

14:21 – I modified the mount for the 50 caliber machine gun to make a roll bar           

19:34 – “you enjoy racing, how would you like to drive my Meyer’s Manx in this first race?” 

29:14 – no pit stops, no gas stations, Bruce organized people to be at certain locations to fuel us.

38:10 – I raced the Toyota Land Cruiser, broke my nose because the thing is so bloody heavy in the front

44:20 – because of my involvement in Saddleback Park, I got to build, design and layout offroad vehicle parks in California

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Community-minded, Tyler Laursen is on episode 170 of Conversations with Big Rich. Tyler brings a rich history of giving back to the industry, from improving products at MorrFlate to educating wheelers on best practices on the SnailTrail 4x4 podcast; listen in to see what all he’s up to.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

10:45 – You’ve got everything within two hours of Sac; the beach, hunting, the mountains, wheeling, whitewater rafting

15:13 – if you’re passionate about something, I found the best way to make sure it succeeds is just do it and take it over              

19:57 – Right place, right time with a good product that solved a major pain point 

33:03 – I hate patents; I think they are something companies hide behind to hide bad customer service

38:24 – I’m all for DIY; there’s a lot of really rad stuff in the industry that came from the garage

44:31 – it’s people who love going out wheeling and love helping people

57:53 – Toyota first Gens are like legos; you just put them together and bolt them together

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ORMHOF inductee Brian Chuchua, Class of 1978, drops some cherry bombs on us as he tells the Jeep history from the beginning. From paying $5,000 for a Jeep franchise to participating in year 2 of Jeep Jamboree to racing the first Mexican 1000 and founding SEMA. So grateful to interview long-time history-makers in the industry. Congratulations to Brian Chuchua, a 1978 inductee into ORMHOF, Brian is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:09 – education today is not career-advancing, for sure

10:59 – I was drag racing my Jeep with the V8 at all the local drag strips                                

14:28 – I made the cover of Popular Mechanics 

17:24 – the Pan American highway existed, but the bridges did not, so you had to ford all these rivers

25:15 – I drove my Jeep up the steps of the Sydney Opera House

30:09 – we built the first Blazer and sold the name to Chevrolet

36:54 – the original SEMA was to fight the legislation on wheels

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Technically homeless, Travis C. Bunch lives in Moab with his ten cars. Yep, that says cars, not cats. Travis produces the Flat Fender Aficionado, a storytelling periodical. He’s got great insight into the world of Jeeps.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:35 – with a Jeep you can turn it off when you’re getting over your head

12:29 – I’ve had over 62 cars so far, around 30 of them have been Jeeps              

21:47 – You guys are living in a school bus, right? 

27:29 – it took me a while to get over the programmed fear of getting shot on private property to be able to explore public lands

35:12 – we call those guys freegans

41:15 – I always say you got to have a love for pain and suffering if you’re going to be a flat fender driver

58:13 – the Go Devil Run is more of a reenactment of what the people do with the WWII stuff

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Have you been looking at portals for your Jeep, Bronco or Tacoma, we found your source. Quinn Pultz at 74 Weld gives the low-down on building his business. Great stories, good insight.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:45 – I followed my brother's footsteps in everything he did, if he wanted to do it, I naturally wanted to do it too

18:22 – If you really want to prepare somebody for college, hand them a packet of information and say, we’re going to test you on this, go study.              

23:47 – the engineers we’re training nowadays can draw a doorknob, they have no idea how it works or how it’s made 

32:20 – I got into a Jeep, broke the rear track bar mount, paid $500 to fix it and broke it the next weekend, I thought, I can’t afford to do this!

40:53 – making your living off somebody’s hobby is a difficult thing to do

48:26 – I was so focused I couldn’t make it out of my shop for anything, so I peed in a bucket in the corner

53:51 – it’s really how I got where I got is asking questions of the right people who are willing to teach me along the way

1:26:21 – I believe if I’m going to develop a product, it’s got to fall into one of three categories…

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Renowned automotive photographer Boyd Jaynes is a publisher, off-road racer, and head of the Dusty Times publication.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

8:03 – I really aspired to be an artist like my mom, but I couldn’t draw to save my life

13:16 – I bought myself a little Honda scooter before I had a driver’s license and railroaded my mom to thinking it was legal              

20:45 – I had a one-in-a-million photography teacher in high school 

34:22 – hey dude, you can’t send us film anymore, they were insistent

42:48 – I went to places that back then were crazy to go to… every time they told us not to do something, that’s exactly what we did

49:45 – and then I learned I can make a living shooting automobiles – this is so cool!

56:28 – we should find an old truck and try to do that, well, we should get an old Bronco, and that’s what we did

1:04:20 – what dusty Times used to be was not lost on me, what it was was a revered publication. 

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ORMHOF inductee Chris Collard, Class of 2015, shares some great storytelling, which is right in his wheelhouse. Who knew  you could go from UPS driver to premier magazine editor and writer?  That’s my favorite part of the story, how Chris gets invited and takes the opportunity to get in the room. So grateful to interview long-time history-makers in the industry. 

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3:00 – surfing or milking goats, which would you do?

9:03 – I worked since I could walk                                

19:54 –The UPS guys were the world sex symbols 

29:14 – I’m on a first-class flight, and Mark Smith was querying me; the finale – damn kid, get off your ass and do it!

32:21 – if you’re going to be a photographer, you better be a writer, too!

39:45 – good storytellers put you in the seat with them

49:22 – The story starts…I remember being in Zambia (be sure to listen to this one!)

53:46 – I’m historically an optimist, but I’ve had some moments…this one time in Morocco (another great story!)

59:06 – I’ll take some morphine for the road

1:07:03 – The runway is like a worm, but don’t worry, the pilots have some vodka before they land

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There’s never a direct path to the finish line. Don Moss started in Demo Derbies, raced Circle Track, and then found his way to Class 3 Championships. If you’ve ever wondered how to get into off-road, this is what it’s all about. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:50 – It’s a long ways to any parts stores in Bishop

13:28 – I think I was in college before I bought a car that I actually drove home              

25:53 – we figured out how to save the cars and how to build the cars and what cars to start with 

32:15 – each time you add a person, you add about 30 minutes to your departure time

44:19 – we talked about what it would take to do a 2000-mile race and came up with the ’79 Bronco

52:49 – we’ve got five of the Toyota True Grit awards for finishing all the miles of all the races in the season

56:26 – we’re never going to be able to catch anybody to hit anybody

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Classic over-achiever, Laura Butcher, shares an unparalleled perspective into off-road. Currently heading up VORRA and Farmy’s Off Road Park, along with her full-time gig at Tread Lightly! Laura is a wonder. Listen in on the experience she brings to the table. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:05 – “are you willing to give welding a shot and be on the Ag Mechanics team?”

22:09 – In EMS, if you can make it in Vegas, you can make it anywhere. I became addicted to the chaos              

30:41 – it was 58 below, I ended up with second-degree burns along my rib cage 

36:03 – when my brother said, Can you please come home, I came home.

47:24 – everything forward became very serendipitous, starting with the Rebelle Rally

59:41 – We had the VORRA name, now what?

1:09:19 – It all ties together between VORRA, Tread Lightly! and Farmy’s – what led me there was my constant difficulty with BLM permitting.

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ORMHOF inductee Curt Leduc, Class of 2015, shares some great storytelling; living life to the best of his abilities, Curt has made his own luck along the way with hard work and dedication to his craft. Congratulations to Curt Leduc, a 2015 inductee into ORMHOF; Curt is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:10 – between mini-skirts and mary jane, it made for a very challenging time

8:58 – the entrepreneurs in this country are C students…looking out the window…thinking about what they’re going to do                                

14:58 –come outside, I want to show you something… 

24:10 – “What scares you?” I had to think, the only thing that scares me is failure

31:13 – there’s two ways we can do this…

41:42 – oh, I want to go to Dakar

54:28 – I call it Paul because I’m stealing from Peter to build Paul

1:01:22 – when my boys started racing, they had to go to every sponsorship meeting, because I wanted them to hear what the people wanted

1:18:24 – his immune system is down, but his spirits are up

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Advocacy and education are what ORMHOF inductee Jim Bramham, brings to the table. Leading the fight for years in preserving public lands, Jim does the hard part, a walking encyclopedia of OHV knowledge and land use, we are pleased to introduce him to more than California. Congratulations to Jim Bramham, a 2018 inductee into ORMHOF; Jim is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:51 – my neighbor bought a Jeep and I spent hours in his garage asking questions

11:29 – “You’re not going to college; you’re coming to work here.”                                

15:34 – to this day, I’ve never seen anything that would do snow like that Travelall. 

20:19 – you can’t ruin what you want to play with

26:32 – it really hurt to see somebody so dedicated to a place…have to accept that it was just going to go away

38:36 – the fact that a law enforcement presence exists, helps not just with OHV management, but with the management of all potential problems in the forest

43:15 – it’s the campfire circle that’s going to push this information to the public

49:40 – that’s going to be the push, to eliminate the randomness

55:44 – the Senate is the War Zone over land use, it always will be

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Land use warrior Matt Westrich brings his Army experience to the battlefields of organizational combat. Matt has great experience and knowledge to share with all of us. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:44 – Al Bundy is modeled after me

8:30 – Utah, where the heck is Utah?              

22:36 – I get into announcing because nobody else in the club wanted to pick up a microphone 

26:54 – Craig goes to push me, and I’m like, what are you doing?

39:27 – In the land use community, we have had to fight heavily to keep the area from being developed

45:39 – Land use is a fickle thing; nobody wants to talk about it

53:17 – I did $19,000 worth of body damage to my PowerWagon

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Warning:  For mature audiences only. To say Jody Everding has a storied past is an understatement.  Jody tells it like it was and it’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:26 – I played a little flag football with the after-school kids, but I was always the last kid picked

15:34 – being a punk, skinny little kid, they used to call me Wormy              

22:40 – “how are you going to buy parts? Offroading is expensive!” – I’m gonna be famous! 

30:57 – I hauled my stuff up there and I had intended to compete but I just petered out

40:09 – nobody talks to the new spotter guy, you’re like a second class citizen, low level flunky

48:14 – it was an unfair advantage for me

56:15 – it was a little of what I’d learned from Dustin about looking like a million bucks!

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What do glitter and rockcrawling have in common? Only the lightning strikes of Erik “Camo” Linker – Camo is the co-founder of Pirate 4x4 and a good friend; we are thrilled to have him on the podcast (finally!)  Buckle up; you are in for an adventure. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

7:26 – growing up in the era was magical; I tease my mom that we raised ourselves

15:34 – “the bad news is you don’t have enough credits to graduate, the good news is we don’t want you back”             

23:46 – Over the next 18 years, we turned the business into what everybody knows as the Glitter King 

28:40 – I broke my neck crashing, I was better at crashing than winning

31:20 – that was my first connection on Pirate with my fake internet friends became real

41:16 – we just went with the mindset of destroying sh*t

52:29 – the thing I’m most proud of with Pirate years is how it enabled so many people to make a business out of something they loved

1:07:37 – that’s what the internet is best at and Pirate was the best of the best

1:16:37 – the offroad angels (this is one of my favorite stories EVER!)

1:40:11 – the sale of Pirate 4x4

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We can’t always plan our lives, an accident near the start of his career put Evan Evans in a wheelchair. But that didn’t slow him down; Evan went on to win 57 times and six Championships! Congratulations to Evan Evans, a 2023 inductee into ORMHOF; Evan is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:40 – when we stayed in Ensenada as a kid, I would use stickers like money

7:50 – it was John Nelson who gave me my shot at racing                                

12:31 – “you driving this pre-runner Datsun, which isn’t even a real race truck, is like you winning overall” 

20:15 – I went through rehab in four months…two days later, I was in the race truck at the Baja 1000 starting line

26:34 – I needed a hell of a brake system to get enough power to stop the vehicle with my arms

30:35 – I only had $8K to go back and race a full season

37:33 – at this point, only myself and Dale Earnhardt, Sr had two contracts with Chevrolet as spokespersons and race car drivers

47:07 – all my heroes are in ORMHOF; to be included is a huge honor

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Some personalities just transcend the airways; Chris Bolger is one of those. Always a storyteller at heart. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

7:26 – when I say I was a nerd, I mean mathlete, academic decathlon, and all the nerd stuff you could possibly do

10:12 – I never really got into breaking stuff off-road until I got in the army             

16:05 – legal drinking age is four foot six, as long as you can see over the top of the bar 

21:00 – George was a genius, he figured he couldn’t get enough tires from all the manufacturers, so he would just make his own

31:36 – you had two larger-than-life personalities trying to make something awesome happen

38:33 – the best thing about my time with KOH was the friends I developed

43:50 – I tried to quit the industry, Rich, I really did

49:14 – I’m 20 whatever years old, doing bikini model fittings because I can sew.

54:54 – My daughter is scary, she’s 12 years old, running her own business, and she goes with me to midget wrestling matches

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A champion of vocational education, Scott Taylor is a winning short course racer, race shop owner, and manufacturer of performance competition parts. Congratulations to Scott Taylor, a 2022 inductee into ORMHOF; Scott is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:41 – I would take things apart I shouldn’t take apart

10:38 – I advocate deeply with high schools on how important it is to keep the five things of vocational training…                                

19:29 – I had a really good car and I drove the wheels off of it 

27:29 – He was a lot faster than me, but I had my eyes set on somebody I had to beat

36:26 – we weren’t cheating, but we were building our own stuff and ahead of our times

45:25 – it’s like an old girlfriend calling you up after 10 years and wanting to start dating again

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Some men are always motivated, Clyde Bynum, the godfather of rock-bouncing shares his best advice on Episode 186. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

9:17 – the truth is, I enjoy work

13:45 – we focused on mini-trucks until about 10 years ago             

17:59 – climbing hills is something I’ve done since the days of the three-wheeler 

24:52 – if it went bad, you were going to cartwheel multiple times back to the bottom

35:03 – Timmie Cameron has been probably the biggest name

43:17 – Bobby Tanner gave my son CJ the chance to drive

49:36 – I studied for 24 hours and became a national satellite installer so that I can cross this bridge at my first event

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Rebelle Rally 3x champion, Melissa Clark, shares her life in off-road from Pritchett Canyon to the Glamis Sand Dunes. A Ford-sponsored driver, Melissa brings Tread Lightly! policies to everyone she teaches. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:00 – I still consider myself an OR nurse

9:05 – …it got me close to Magic Moab             

16:56 – my real gateway drug was definitely Moab 

23:28 – we teach good, solid off-road techniques and then the nuances of the Bronco

35:37 – I’m very competitive by nature, so I like games

40:57 – the suffering aspect of the Rebelle is what makes the finishing so sweet

49:42 – your vehicle is your third teammate and there are pros and cons to every person on the team

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I don’t want to say Val Douglas is a catastrophe because wherever she is, there’s a whole lot of fun going on.  Listen in on some great stories from this off-road maven; and her connections to some of the biggest brands in off-road. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

7:17 – I would take my 88 t-bird and follow the guys, my dad loved me for that.

20:46 – I was shell-shocked, Grand Junction to Laramie to Atlanta; I was over it.             

24:38 – go pack these bearings full of grease, then stick them in this tube, and don’t drop them on the floor! 

37:55 – in Colorado, you have to stay on the trail, it’s not like an open OHV area, Colorado is a big stickler for that

45:21 – the start of the yard sale at Potato Salad Hill….{be sure to listen to this one}

1:04.35 – competing was a whole different ballgame

1:10:35 – queen of the Rubicon Rodeo; champion bull rider

1:19:59 – my giant black German Shepherd is a personal protection dog; he won’t bite you until I tell him to

1:31:54 – what is the sweep team?

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Ed Pearlman was ahead of his time, creating the first Mexican 1000 which later translated into NORRA; he founded the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame, as well. Today we remember him with a conversation with his son, Mike Pearlman. Ed is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:10 – we never saw a Land Cruiser before, it was a real Tarzan vehicle back then.

8:18 – if we can only get 60 entries, at $100 an entry, that’d be enough to pay for the event                                

11:37 – you misunderstood, this is the Off Road Rally Association, it’s not a race, it’s a rally 

22:11 – why don’t we just put on a vintage race?

34:43 – it all started because Dad wanted to take his kid hunting

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Buggy builder, Joe Thompson lays it all out in Episode 190; self-taught welder and bike enthusiast, Joe brings his varied background to the winningest drivers. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

4:08 – I would think to myself, there’s a bada**, I want to be like that!

13:19 – even when I was a BMX grom, I was glued to ESPN watching the Baja 1000

21:24 – “Are you any good?” Well, I’ve been told I have a good hand.  

29:18 – We’d always park the buggy on the street with a giant welding sign and an arrow pointing to the shop; I got lots of work from that.

39:35 – I know what’s wrong, I can fix it, Marcos totally blew me off

53:58 – the Gomez brothers and I are partners in winning, that’s what we’re partners in

58:50 – I see the fully independent cars being the future.

1:16:31 – The uniqueness of our sport is incredible

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Don Amador has been a land user for a lifetime, and a land use warrior for almost as long. Don was inducted into the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2016. Don is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:24 – the happiest day of my life being a Native Californian was moving back to Northern California

12:00 – I guess my activism scared a couple of board members, so I got uninvited from the board                                

16:23 – I was appointed by Pete Wilson in ’94 to be on the OHV Commission of State Parks 

22:30 – moving from unmanaged to managed recreation has really benefited OHV on a national scale

30:53 – a lot of our offroad opportunities occur at the local level with decisions made by local land managers

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Meet Emme Hall, off-road racer, Miata lover, cat herder, and freelance journalist. A woman of many talents and a bright personality, you’ll enjoy this one! Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

6:30 – I was never the ingenue; I’m way too weird for that!

10:42 – because life is too short to drive something that isn’t fun             

19:22 – I was in my late 30’s. That’s old to start racing, because you got fear.  

31:11 – So you should see these straight lines, and there are people where it looks like spaghetti!

35:39 – I got to drive with Tanner Faust riding right seat for me

43:17 – At the Mint 400, Matt Martelli gave us a gambler class, they gave us 100 miles, one lap.

54:00 – That sounds good, let’s get a $400,000 Cullinan to take on an off-road rally

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YouTube star Nicole Johnson brings a load of experience to her channel, she’s on a mission to drive everything – but we shouldn’t be surprised she’s already mastered race cars, rockcrawlers, and Monster trucks! Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:36 – Snow? People live in snow, that must suck!

16:20 – Frank would just…it was really cure, he would stand up and be like, “that’s my wife!”             

23:25 – we’re just enthusiasts, we love to target shoot  

29:04 – the buggy we bought was so capable, it out drove me every time

35:37 – that $400 is going to cost you how many hours to really get that relationship where it needs to be

45:48 – “when I lower my arm, floor it and go 20 feet.” when you floor it, it’s going to have some torque squat

1:00:51 – I was always telling my kids, you guys should appreciate me more, I’m super cool!

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Steven Adams is a lighting master; one of the founders of Rigid Lights, he’s stepped up again with Nacho Offroad Technology. The world is brighter with Steve in it, be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:33 – I’m sure he thought I would just throw my life away because I wasn’t being an airline pilot

17:16 – I pulled up Bender’s How to Bend Tech 101 and taught myself how to make a light bar             

21:38 – Hey, if you’re going to do this, here’s what you need to do…  

28:14 – We need to make this an American made light

38:38 – not that making money is a bad thing, but that was the only thing

48:24 – I didn’t realize you don’t have scientists growing week, you have stoners growing weed

57:18 – We’re not going to do anything if we don’t have fun doing it!

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Stan Haynes has rock sports under his skin; a long-time supporter of both series and competitors, Stan shares life in a family-run business with us. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

6:07 – I thought I was getting drafted to go die in Vietnam

11:24 – 57’  Chevy, I hot-rodded the heck out of it             

15:52 – we still continue with Branik doing foundry work and ceating master tooling, molds, and dies making thousands of parts and a foundry and castings 

19:50 – in starting a business you’re going to go through hard times, but be prepared and try to always have the attitude of don’t give up

28:49 – I started going to King of the Hammers in ’09 and two years later we’re racing

32:17 – I love free market, I love capitalism, it really enhances a business to be better.

41:52 – What a beautiful place of God’s Green Earth, everyone needs to experience the Rubicon, am I right?

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Glenn Classen made a big move from South Africa to the US to expand his market for shock absorbers – almost 20 years in, he’s continued to grow and develop Radflo for the off-road market. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

3:46 – as a kid, being aware of anything socially or politically about how the country ran you weren’t aware of until much later

11:44 – let’s fire this thing back up, we made parts and started selling shocks             

13:01 – in any business, there’s massive swings of good luck and bad 

16:11 – that’s how I sold it to my wife, we’d come over to the US for two years and then go home

23:04 – I came over here and very quickly realized that this was a massive pond and I was a very small fish

33:23 – we are just a shock manufacturer

38:44 – we make shocks to suit the different lift kit manufacturers, we don’t do generic

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Nicole Pitell brings her own brand of hype to every conversation, she shares the inside scoop of Total Chaos to the podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

6:12 – at the end of the day, it’s what makes each of us individually happy is what’s going to elevate you and take you to the next level

12:05 – I want noted for the record, I suck at driving in mud             

19:47 – our product line comes from having to build better parts for our friends who were pitting for us 

25:44 – I think you need good competition to elevate your innovation and your passion

32:50 – they just let me go full stupid down south of the border

41:33 – An all women’s? That sounds horrible was the first thing I said to her.

46:03 – I really like to have fun in life, no bad days

55:12 – I don’t hang around with people that aren’t motivated, inspired, and driven every day

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