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08 Dec 2021EMPATHETIC LEADERSHIP with Ingrid Martin00:39:34

Ingrid Martin is a highly sought after conductor and music educator. Ingrid trained in Medicine at Monash University and worked as an emergency physician while maintaining a busy musical life as a Conductor, Horn Player and Violinist. A decision to further her conducting training meant relocating to the University of Minnesota where she completed a postgraduate degree with mentor, Craig Kirchhoff.

QUOTES

“Being an empathetic person is what makes a successful doctor and what also makes a successful conductor.”

“ I realised that actually I’ve done this before, and I have a lot of skills in this area already which only happened because I’d done medicine. If I’d studied music, I wouldn’t have had to make all those opportunities.”
“Whatever you do when you finish school, in fact whatever you do at all doesn’t actually define you.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

11 January 2017

29 Aug 2021IN CONVERSATION Susan Eldridge with Ingrid Martin00:33:03

 

Ingrid Martin transforms lives through music.  Her life-long mission: to make classical music relevant, interesting and engaging for everyone.  Insatiably curious, Ingrid constantly asks "Who is it for? Why are we doing this? How could it be better?" Her answer usually involves challenging norms and ditching long-held traditions to create meaningful experiences for audiences. 

QUOTES

“I’m seeking other people who’ve had a similar experience to me, they’ve left classical music because it wasn’t serving them well.”

"I felt so alone when I left classical music. I felt so ashamed. I grieved for a decade and a half, so I’m seeking to find colleagues who've had a similar experience to share what that was like."

"I felt like I was going to let other people down, and their (the musician’s) need was never in the conversation. It was all about the expectation and investment from others, not the dream of the musician for themselves."

"A damaging attitude of “you’re really talented, to not do something with that talent is wasteful.” That is really problematic as an expectation of other people."

"What I’ve come to learn about myself from doing this podcast is that I’m angry and hurt and furious at higher education. And that’s coming from my experience, but that’s not everywhere. So how do I grapple with that, I didn’t have a good time. But lots of other people do have a good time."

"The biggest challenge is that I don’t want to stay feeling shameful, feeling like I’ve failed and I have no value. That’s how I feel when I think about my learning experiences as a musician."

"Trying to be truthful. I’ve been trying to do that this year. The LinkedIN profile and the website all look professional, but it’s a completely different story to how I feel about myself and the story I tell myself about my worth. I’m trying to close that gap a little bit. "

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins
Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick
Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun
Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 25 August, 2021.

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17 Nov 2021UPLIFT OTHERS with Tony Gray00:33:55

Tony Gray lives and works in remote Numbulwar, where he is Managing Director and Pilot at AiRemote. Tony designs and delivers development programs in Arnhem Land and Indonesia. Prior to his life as a social entrepreneur, Tony was a professional musician in Melbourne and holds a Bachelor of Music (Improvisation) on Double Bass from the VCA.

QUOTES

This relates back to music as well, you have to do anything you can to keep you going so you can focus on the one thing and that’s developing jobs and employment opportunities in remote communities.”

“I’ve got a degree in improvisation. I’ve got a degree in making things up. In the end, that’s basically life in business. You just make stuff up all the time so you can get enough revenue to keep going.”

“It was just an impossible mission, but I took it on and went non-stop sleeping in my car along the way and travelling at night and really early mornings just to get it done.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

30 November 2016

24 Nov 2021MEANS AND MEANING with Dave Melgaard00:33:08

Dave Melgaard leads a team of testing experts at Idea Science to find optimum solutions for clients and strengthen testing capabilities. Before that, he studied Trumpet at the VCA, Melbourne University and the Royal College of Music in London. He held the position of Trumpet Master with the Slovenian National Opera and Ballet Orchestra before returning to Australia to build a new career in business.

QUOTES

“So many of the skills you learn in music are so useful in business.” 

“In sales, you can sell a big job or something important and this feeds 4 or 5 or 30 people for the next year. I find meaning in that. It’s not just about me playing the trumpet.”

“Now I work in IT and fundamentally, running a band isn’t that dissimilar from running an IT shop.”

“As much as you love Puccini, once you’ve played it 400 times it becomes a bit tedious.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

16 December 2016

30 Nov 2024ELEGANT NONSENSE with Nick Hall00:46:07

Nick Hall (otherwise known as Anita Wigl’it) is arguably one of New Zealand’s most popular Drag Queens. With a career that spans both the screen and stage Wigl’it is constantly travelling New Zealand and further afield delighting audiences with her special brand of comedy and outrageous personality.

 

QUOTES

On being a childish adult

And I feel like when we're growing up, our parents often say ‘Oh, you've got to behave! Don't act so stupid. Grow up’. And drag is the opportunity to be like, no, actually, I'm gonna be really stupid. I'm going to act like a child, and I'm going to bring my audience with me.”

 

On being your own manager

“I'm all by myself, and doing everything by myself. But then I realised, actually, I think it's the most wonderful thing because I’m in control of my future. And I can do everything that I want to. The reason I self manage myself is because there's no one in the world that has my best interests at heart other than myself.”

 

On giving it all

“Sometimes we’ll have a night and the audience don’t seem very enthused, then afterwards they say ‘This was the best night we’ve ever had.’”

 

LINKS

Find Nick on Anita Wiglet or Instagram

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 


 

Recorded on 14 October 2024

30 Jan 2022DEALING WITH FEELINGS with Ian Anderson Gray00:50:42

Ian Anderson Gray is the founder of the Confident Live Marketing Academy and is host of the Confident Live Marketing Podcast. He helps entrepreneurs to level up their impact, authority and profits by using live video confidently. As well as being a geek, husband, and dad to two kids, Ian is also a professional singer and lives near Manchester in the UK.

QUOTES

“I'd get very bored very easily I was doing the same thing all the time. And it was the same thing with music, I needed to do other things.”

“Writing a blog changed my life. And I had this bit of an identity crisis, because I wasn't sure “was I a musician or was I something else?” I wasn't really quite sure.”

“I felt really guilty because I didn't really want to go into opera. I felt like I was somehow a second class singer, because I didn't want to do that. “

“I  had a real issue with my self-esteem and with depression which I know a lot of people do. I had to go through a massive mindset shift, which has taken a long time.”

“In my experience of those of top name music schools, they are not an emotionally safe place to be if you're already at risk. If you are different or you're trying to figure it out, it’s just not safe to be there.

“As musicians, our job is to translate and transfer emotion to the audience. But we're never taught how to have those emotions safely and what to do with them if they're overwhelming to you.“

“I've realized suddenly that all of that training that I did as a musician wasn't a waste, and it was all coming together. And it was just a wonderful moment. And so it was at that point where I realized that actually Yes, live video is what I want to do. I want to teach people to do that.”

“My identity as a musician doesn't have to be connected to a job.”

“There are so many musicians in the creative world. When I went to Social Media Marketing World, 30 40% of the people there are musicians.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 16 August 2021

10 Oct 2021COMPLEX AND SPECIFIC with Lisa Kobialka00:36:47

Lisa Kobialka has been at the forefront of some of the most challenging trials in different venues across the country and handled more than 200 litigations. She counsels and represents both plaintiffs and defendants in complex intellectual property litigation, including trials and evidentiary hearings in numerous jurisdictions across the United States involving claims for patent infringement, trade secret misappropriation, unfair competition and trademark infringement. Lisa represents clients in a variety of technology-related industries, with a particular emphasis on the energy, computer science and pharmaceutical sectors.

QUOTES

“My brother and I had no option, it (music) was a life skill as far as we were concerned. We had music from 5am to 2am constantly, that’s all we knew and did.”

“I realised they (orchestras) were starting to go bankrupt, I was talking to other musicians and asked ‘what are you going to do’ and they said ‘what else CAN I do I can’t do anything else' and I never felt that way.”

“Going to law school was very difficult, it wasn’t an easy transition. I was lucky that I was open minded.”

“How am I going to make the facts sing in the most persuasive way.”

“How I hear is very different to most people, I’m a very literal person. I hear things very specifically, as a result I probably articulate things very specifically as well.”

"Music teachers are very direct and blunt, that is now necessarily how people communicate with each other. I had to learn better about how people communicate outside the music world."

“Chamber music is an intense working environment, the same as working with a trial team for a jury. We perfect the work to a point where people could understand where we could go with it.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 16 July 2021

31 Oct 2021CONTRIBUTE AND SERVE with Robert Simonds00:41:08

After 20 years in the music business, Robert Simonds resigned as principal second violinist of the Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra in June 2021. He is now a MC/MPA candidate at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government and is seeking to merge his performing arts experience with public service.

QUOTES

“I wanted to leave the stage on my own terms.”

“Add as much value as possible onstage and offstage.”

“All large institutions should serve a public function.”

“Never stop looking for people to help you.”

“At the Rochester Philharmonic I felt very useful because I could add more than just playing the right notes at the right time.”

“We confuse our capacity to learn as progress.”

“I got lucky there was a person wanting to take me under their wing.”

“The message I absorbed at music school was “if you can’t win it, then don’t try it.’”

“I am predisposed to get along with people, I’m interested in people.”

“I never felt as much interest in having a performing artist on the team as I did at Harvard Kennedy School.”

“If you’re not doing it already, and have the means to, go volunteer.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 02 August 2021

19 Sep 2021EMBRACING AMBIGUITY with Ralph Bathurst00:42:10

Dr Ralph Bathurst is a musician who performs orchestral music (viola) and light jazz (piano). This background in music making informs his primary interests which focus on how organisations can become more humane places where people can discover a sense of freedom and creativity. His work life experiences in management and leadership within arts and social organisations translate directly into his teaching and research practice. Primarily his emphasis is on the arts, particularly music and the visual arts, and how they encourage collaborative leadership approaches and organisational development.

QUOTES

“I have always been a performer, it’s always come back to performance.”

“The rigours of performing shuts down my appreciation of the music. I’m most alive with music when I’m not having to play it.”

“I had met the two ambitions (conductor and minister), so what could I do next?”

“I link the practice of music making to the study of managing and leading.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 15 June 2021

16 Jan 2022LISTEN WELL with Kate Mrochkovski00:47:44

Kate studied music at Manchester University. Whilst at uni she took a part-time job at The Bridgewater Hall, a concert hall in Manchester. There, she fell in love with ticketing, data and technology and is now Strategy Director at Supercool, a digital design agency working in the cultural sector.

QUOTES

  • I have an overview of a lot of different aspects of the business which is what I find really interesting. I see that big picture, where the problems are and join dots. 
  • I worked at a concert hall in Manchester, it was really interesting to see what audiences were really interested in, what they were passionate about going to.
  • It was always really exciting to have my pieces performed. But the only people that were really in the room were the friends that I dragged along and other composers. 
  • So when you study classical music, there is this sense that there is high art, there's proper music. And then you have the less good music and I started to question that a bit.
  • After working in ticketing, I geeked out about the technology and ended up at a tech company called Spectrix that build ticketing platform for the art sector. And I really loved it there. 
  • When I got to university it was a very different environment, there was a lot of pressure. Having grown up in North Wales, there were loads of orchestras. I took part in the small local orchestra, then the regional orchestra and then the National Youth Orchestra of Wales. And I played the double bass and sometimes in those situations, people are just happy for you to turn up because there aren't many double Bassists so they were just happy that I had an instrument and could turn up and play some of the notes.  But at university, there was a different level of pressure that was on me. 
  • I've never loved practicing on my own. When I was at university, that's one of the things that made me realize I'm probably never going to be cut out to be an actual full time professional musician, because spending many hours sat in a room on my own all day is not my idea of fun. I really like being around people. 
  • The thing I loved about composing was that you could come up with an idea for something and you could create it from scratch yourself. And I still like doing that, and that relates to the bigger picture problem solving.  You have an idea of what you want to convey and what is the best way to do that. 
  • I definitely built up my tech savviness whilst I was at uni, doing electro acoustic and recording. That definitely helped because I was using computers and complex programs at the time. 
  • I don't think anybody who is learning music when they're young, and goes to study a music degree says “actually what I want is to work in ticketing”. But it's a fascinating sector.
  • In my current role, probably the most exciting bit is when you meet an organization for the first time and you stop and think about what their new website is going to be. 
  • Creating a website is like composing, it’s like when you have that really awkward rehearsal with the musicians where they tell you all the things you've written that aren't possible on their instrument because you read it's possible somewhere. They’re not superhumans.
  • I think one of the biggest things is listening. I think that I noticed this when I was doing improvisation. Really good improvisers know that they don't have to make sound all the time, it's okay just to listen. 
  • I think those improvisation skills have just been incredibly valuable going forward, especially when dealing with other people in workshop situations and discovery situations, or meetings in general. With people being able to realize that it's okay to just listen, and not always having to contribute something. 
  • There's lots of other things as well, things like being able to see patterns and see what's going on in a bigger picture. I was thinking recently about how when you're learning a piece for the first time, you're constantly shifting between the kind of very small micro moments and the bigger picture of the piece that you're learning.
  • I might spend an hour of my morning testing one tiny little feature on a website. Understanding how that feature applies to the larger customer journey, how it will improve the end customer and the client in terms of how they communicate with their customers, makes that one hour worthwhile. Even if I'm just frustratingly changing a button for one hour.
  • Being able to do things like public speaking, being able to walk into a room full of strangers, being able to go to a conference and walk up to somebody and have a chat. That is incredibly hard for a lot of people. Whereas I was sent off to orchestra rehearsals, and it was a whole different social network.
  • Community music is a great place to learn it's, a great place to experiment, to learn in a way that you might not have the freedom to do in an organization where there's a little bit more scrutiny on what you post on Twitter and things like that.

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 15 August 2021

28 Dec 2024FINDING OPPORTUNITY with Tim Ball00:49:58

Tim spent sixteen years playing the Horn in London's music industry, predominantly in the various Symphony Orchestras, but also in the West End and commercial recording for film and TV. He now runs three different businesses in the yachting and hospitality sectors.

 

QUOTES

On challenges as an essential element for success and fulfillment

“If I don't have a challenge to face, I feel I'm a failure because I'm not not challenged. I have no feeling of self-worth if I'm not facing something that I need to deal with.”

 

On reframing negatives into opportunity

“When negative things happen to us, we could very easily spiral downwards. But actually when negative things happen, it doesn't matter what it is… there's an opportunity there.” 

 

On self-awareness as a superpower

“As musicians, we're unbelievably self-aware. Far more so than lots of other professions. We are constantly analysing the way we talk, the way we get off the bus and walk to the concert hall, the way we stand in the tea queue, the way we do our warm up. We are very powerful people in what we have within ourselves and what we’ve fine tuned.”

 

LINKS

Find Tim on LinkedIN, Facebook or Instagram

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 

 

Recorded on 11 October 2024

28 Nov 2021ANALYSIS AND PERFORMANCE with Katherine Norman00:31:54

Katherine Norman is the Senior Account Manager, Presenter Services at Arts Centre Melbourne and is responsible for the logistics of over 3,000 events across their 6 venues each year. Katherine pursued degrees in Biochemistry and Music before embarking on a career in venue management which saw her work as Usher Manager at the Royal Opera House in Convent Garden before returning to Melbourne.

QUOTES

“My main and first degree was a Bachelor of Science majoring in Biochemistry. I’d resisted the temptation to study music from about the age of 15. When I was about 20 I just had to bow to it.”

“I’ve been fortunate to work with virtually every major performing arts company, certainly that's been through Melbourne and across Australiawhich is an amazing opportunity.”

“My music degree, and my science degree, but particularly my music degree has been such an amazing foundation in being willing to try new things.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

20 December 2016

06 Feb 2022SEARCH FOR BALANCE with Jackson Harnwell00:55:14

Jackson Harnwell is a former singer and conductor, having studied at the Melbourne Conservatorium of Music and worked with artists including Anthony Warlow, David Hobson, Helena Dix, Teddy Tahu Rhodes and Yvonne Kenny. Today, Jackson oversees the clinical training of medical and health discipline students at the University of Melbourne, following a 10-year career in higher education.

QUOTES

“Church choir was an amazing opportunity that connected with me. To be able to create on my own, bond with others, sing in a group and share the emotion.”

“I have memories of my choir master having to settle me down because the church choir went to stand, they're all very stoic and grim faced as they sing perfectly constructed vowels and I wanted to dance. I wanted to move around and express that emotion that was inside me.”

“I started to have some self doubt, maybe there’s more work that I need to do that I didn’t understand I needed to do.”

“Going into university, my perspective was that I was very good. That changed quickly when I became part of a cohort of people that, in my mind, singing came easier to.”

“No matter how hard I worked, how much I did, I couldn’t seem to overcome some of these hurdles.”

“People really identified that one of my skills was that I could jump into unknown territory and be really crystal clear on the outcome that I wanted to achieve.”

“It’s probably only in the last three or four years, I've been able to recognize and accept just how much my creative self influences the work that I do, and is valuable to the organization and that it's not something that should be kept separate.”

“I realised if I was going to make a living from performing, I knew how much work that would be. But what did “making it” look like? It means taking gigs that you don’t want because you need to pay the bills and you don’t get to choose what performance opportunities come up. That wasn’t for me. The idea of this thing that I loved  so much becoming a chore was terrifying.”

“The pandemic has really brought to the fore my performing background. I’ve identified that I thrive in a crisis, because I'm so used to not knowing what's around the corner, not knowing what might happen on stage.”

“The saddest thing that I have seen, with some incredibly talented, passionate musicians and performers, is that they leave it too late and lose the love of it. Eventually they're forced into a career transition and they cannot bring themselves to engage with their creative self anymore and that is an awful thing.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 27 August 2021

13 Feb 2022INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS with Angel Lezak00:56:21

Angel Lezak is a patent prosecutor with 15 years of prosecution experience who has been able to successfully leverage the knowledge and experience she gained at the USPTO to develop and execute creative, effective strategies for prosecuting both new and problematic patent applications to issuance.

As part of her practice, Angel develops and manages patent portfolios for new and existing clients. Additionally, Angel analyzes existing patent families to determine the value and strength of pending and acquired claim sets. Angel's methods expedite prosecution and minimize prosecution history.

QUOTES

“I had a parent who was concerned about how music would translate into income but I never seemed to have that worry.”

“My choice to go to law school had a lot to do with experiences I had. As a graduate composer from Eastman, I was writing music for a new Jim Henson production. Jim passed away and it was a struggle to get the scores back. I thought “Wow that’s pretty powerful. I can help others with this.”

“My interest in law, honesty, fairness, truth and integrity came from my grandmother. She believed in me.”

“In engineering school, the majority are introverted types who don’t particularly care for change. Also my dad had a PhD in math, anytime something changed it threw him off and made him go sideways. A lot of the people I work with are the same way but in engineering school I found myself convincing others that the world will not fall apart if they make changes because the change makes sense.”

“Music has given me the courage to do things that others might not be comfortable with but I've always known worked. Also kindness, I always try to help others. Music has made me like that.

“I love making my clients look good, I love getting them tonnes of patents. They go to their board of directors and look amazing, it’s like I wrote you the perfect piece for you to perform and get applause.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 03 September 2021

14 Nov 2021SUCCESSFUL COMPROMISE with John Daley00:40:13

As former CEO of the Grattan Institute, John Daley is one of Australia’s leading public policy thinkers. John graduated from the University of Oxford in 1999 with a DPhil in public law after completing an LLB (Hons) and a BSc from the University of Melbourne in 1990. He has 20 years’ experience spanning policy, academic, government and corporate roles.

QUOTES

“It teaches you successful compromise, in which everyone gets most of what they want. The whole is indeed greater than the sum of the parts. But everyone probably hasn’t got everything they wanted.” 

“It’s certainly training for leadership and certainly for policy and politics.”

“Obviously it’s something I listen to all the time, it’s not just everyday but it’s most of the time. When you’ve spent that much of your life playing and listening to music it’s never not there.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

22 November 2016

03 Oct 2021SUSAN ELDRIDGE In Conversation with Ingrid Martin00:44:25

Ingrid Martin transforms lives through music.  Her life-long mission: to make classical music relevant, interesting and engaging for everyone.  Insatiably curious, Ingrid constantly asks "Who is it for? Why are we doing this? How could it be better?" Her answer usually involves challenging norms and ditching long-held traditions to create meaningful experiences for audiences. 

QUOTES

“Probably more people have been to space than have seen me dance. Isn’t that strange because my job as a conductor is to embody the music.” 

“I realised that many musicians are not connected to the way that emotions live within their body. Maybe the reason I  feel safe conducting but not dancing, is because I can hide behind technique and a set of codified moments. But that’s not really about expression.”

“Being serious is seen as being professional, but where is the embodiment of lots of other emotions like silliness.”

“How can we embrace a much wider idea of what professional musicians are. As soon as you said the word “serious” I thought about all the things I’ve thought of doing in my life that I have told myself not to do because that would not look good or serious as a conductor.”

“Coming from a community music background, playing free concerts in a park to anybody that wanted to come meant there was no “cathedral of privilege” of the concert hall. None of the signalling of how to behave existed, people would just clap and shout out if they were having a good time. All of the conventions about how audiences “should’ behave weren’t there in the music I made growing up.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 14 September, 2021.

04 Jan 2025MEDICINE FOR MY SOUL with Sonia Baldock00:50:28

Sonia began playing violin at the age of 9 and knew it would be a part of her life forever. After 15 years, however, she made the shift to nursing. She now has the best of both worlds - a job she loves, and a hobby that she is passionate about. And a renewed love of music.


 

QUOTES

 

“I've learned to become very courageous because it turns out what I want is not necessarily what the world has planned for me.”

 

On financial insecurity 

“I realised that probably the last year or so had turned into picking up gigs just because they would pay my rent, not because they were musically satisfying.”

 

On realising care could be a career

 “I said, I'll never be a nurse because I'm a germaphobe. Long story short, I became really unwell. My nervous system was chronically activated and I was hospitalised a couple of times. I thought maybe I'll become a doctor. Maybe I'll study medicine.”

 

On finding a love of science

“I wanted to be a cardiac nurse. I really liked it because the patients were generally quite physically well. I understand how the heart works, you know it's a pump, and it's electrics. It makes sense to me. But when things go wrong they go wrong big. And as a performer, I like a bit of drama and really getting into the nitty gritty of learning new things. So I went back to uni and realised science is amazing!”

 

On playing with Corpus Medicorum

“So I didn't know at the time I was only playing professionally that I was just in the middle of all of this nervous system hyperactivation. I didn't know until I picked up my violin again in this group and played again that I'd lost the joy, and now I have it back.”

 

LINKS

William (Bill) Hennessy

Corpus Medicorum

Find Sonia on LinkedIN or Instagram
 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 

 

Recorded on 21 October 2024

26 Sep 2021FINDING SOLUTIONS with John Culver00:36:14

John Parr-Culver is a Product Manager at Oracle with a background as a freelance musician and clarinet teacher. John is currently based in Austin, Texas and has performance degrees from the Eastman School of Music and Carnegie Mellon University.

Image Credit Cheyenne Parr

QUOTES

“I got advice on what kinds of adjacent interests to music might be a good way to send my career path down.”

“I had spent 15 years thinking I was going to be a musician, so I had a bit of an identity crisis.”

“I knew some musicians who were working at an Apple store, they encouraged me to apply. It was great to work with people who had done the thing that I wanted to do next.”

“A challenge I had to overcome, as a musician transitioning out of music is that I had this idea that as long as I worked really hard and became best at what I do that I would become successful. That had nothing to do with appreciating the unique talents and skills that others brought into the work that they did.”

“In that inside sales role, I cared a lot about understanding more deeply the problems customers faced and the kinds of solutions we offered to them.”

“Problem evaluation and translating those needs into technical requirements relates to my musical experience, to score analysis and being able to extract what musical interpretive decisions should be made.”

“Dealing with failure. On a small scale, like not winning an audition or something like the fact that I didn’t pursue a career as a clarinetist, failure is an important thing to experience. Failure allows us to understand what went wrong, why it went wrong and take those lessons and apply them to future experiences.  It’s how we deal with failures that shape us in the journeys that we take in our lives.”

“For musicians who have determined what direction they want to take, it’s never been easier to skill up in different areas on Udemy or LinkedIN.”

“For people who have lived the practice room lifestyle, there’s incredible value in all the diverse skills and experiences that others bring to the table. It’s so important to appreciate that as early as possible.”

LINKS

IMAGE CREDIT

Cheyenne Parr

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 10 May 2021

08 Aug 2021FIT TO PERFORM with Caroline Juster00:41:00

Caroline Juster is a personal trainer and online fitness coach living in Chicago, Illinois. She helps busy millennials get strong and lose weight without fad diets or gimmicks. Caroline received a Bachelor of Music from Northwestern University’s Bienen School of Music, where she studied trombone under Michael Mulcahy and others.

QUOTES

“Music school was challenging, I don’t think I was emotionally prepared for the things I was going to encounter there.” 

“At music school, the prospect of having to make money and win auditions changed things for me.”

“At grad school I started falling even more out of love with music.”

“If somebody left the (music) program, to pursue something else, there was a shame thing. I saw that and absorbed that for so long”

“The way (music) lets me see the world and the way that I appreciate connections between different fields.. gives me fresh eyes.”

“There was so much pain associated with music that I knew I needed a big break.”

“I was in bad shape, I thought I had nothing to offer. But that wasn’t true at all.”

Trust that you really do have valuable experience that can translate to other career paths, even if they're unconventional and you can’t see them.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins
Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick
Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun
Theme Music Performed by  Jasper Ly

RECORDED
26 April 2021. 

22 Aug 2021AUDIENCE OBSESSED with Jesse Livingston00:40:01

Jesse Livingston has a Bachelor’s degree from the Oberlin Conservatory and a Master’s degree in orchestral conducting from Ithaca College. He then transitioned into user research which eventually brought him and his family to San Francisco, CA. For the past 5 years, he has worked at LinkedIn and Netflix but is now undergoing yet another career transition; because… why not? 

QUOTES

“My wrestle with classical music was, I didn't have a sense that people wanted to do things in new ways.”

“The tech world was more open to change and trying new things.”

“The addiction to suffering, you saw that all the time.”

“Handicapping our own music making by learned helplessness.”

“I walked into the interview, I was able to use the core skills as a musician in that interview to convince them to hire me and that I would be a valuable asset even though I had no experience.”

“Understanding the human experience is really familiar.”

“Finding patterns amidst a complex system is the biggest skill I use as a designer and researcher”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins
Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick
Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun
Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 21 June, 2021.

07 Dec 2024ALIVE INSIDE with Vicky Hart00:43:38

Victoria Hart is the Founder and Director of A Gathering of Minds, an innovative, online program for people with early stage memory loss. A Gathering of Minds meetings provide fun and intellectually stimulating programs that engage, intrigue, enliven, and reconnect people with their authentic selves.

 

QUOTES

On the connection to voice and self

“Losing one's voice is much more than losing the ability to sing.You lose your orientation to yourself. And I had not been informed that this was going to happen.So it was quite a deep dive into feeling desperate. I could have left singing, I could have gone into musicology, but I wanted my voice. I wanted my voice back, and I was willing to fight for it."

On voice health and wellbeing

“I'm not interested in the prettiest sound you could make. I'm interested in the healthiest sound you can make. And if that's uglier today, I don't care, because the potential for the healthy voice is limitless. But if you are 17 years old and stuck on making the prettiest sound you can make as a 17-year-old, you're not gonna grow.”

On working with people with dementia

"As a musician, as a singer, as a teacher, the deepest listening that you can do, listening for something that I can grab onto and pull forward in these people, and it's like buried treasure. I mean, the stuff that comes out of people is, and sometimes a witty, witty comment.” 

 

LINKS

Find Vicky at A Gathering of Minds or on LinkedIN

Alive Inside documentary

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering from Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

 

Recorded on 30 August 2024

16 Nov 2024NEW SERIES with Susan Eldridge00:23:43

Welcome back! This episode introduces the eight guests for this season and gives you a chance to listen to sneak clips from the episodes.

  • Nick Hall Trumpet to Drag Artist
  • Vicki Hart Vocal Teacher to Therapist and Dementia Care Practitioner
  • Lisa Bauer Violinist to Operations Optimization Expert
  • Tim Ball French Horn to Yacht Captain
  • Sonia Baldock Violinist to ICU Nurse
  • Kaz Krasovskis Cellist to Landscape Designer
  • Lisa Tamagini Vocal Teacher and IG Influencer
  • Mateusz Jagiełło French Horn to Boudoir Photographer

 

IMAGE CREDIT

Lulu & Lime
 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 


 

Recorded on 08 November 2024

23 Mar 2025Jonas Anderson00:50:06

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF COUNTRY

This episode was recorded in Tāmaki Makaurau. I acknowledge the mana whenua of Tāmaki Makaurau, Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei, and all iwi of this region. I honour the Indigenous people, their land, waters, and traditions. I also acknowledge their ancestors, the guardians of the past, and their present leaders.

ABOUT JONAS

Jonas spent a decade supporting orchestras, ballet, and theatre in Australia and Aotearoa New Zealand as a stage and production manager. He is now a peer worker for autistic youth, occasionally consults on disability access, and is completing a Masters of Speech Pathology.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Join us for an enlightening conversation with Jonas Anderson as we explore his remarkable career transition from arts administration to pursuing a Master's in Speech Pathology. Jonas shares the motivations behind his mid-career shift, reflecting on his passion for helping others with speech, communication, and swallowing issues. With a background as a stage and production manager, Jonas draws connections between his past experiences with orchestras and opera companies and his current studies, emphasizing the importance of self-advocacy and quality of life in his new field.

Listen in as Jonas recounts the pivotal moments that influenced his career path, including his work with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra and his decision to pursue a graduate diploma in human resource management during the COVID-19 pandemic. This journey highlighted the challenges and limitations within arts administration, leading Jonas to recognize the misalignments within the sector and inspiring him to create inclusive opportunities that celebrate all voices. His experiences promoting First Nations artists and supporting self-advocacy have been instrumental in shaping his new focus.

Susan joins the discussion to highlight the importance of balancing work, trauma, and personal life. Together, they explore how creativity intersects with healthcare, underscoring the role of empathy and understanding in both fields. The episode concludes with a reflection on the power of positive work culture, emphasizing gratitude and the impact of bringing out the best in colleagues. This engaging dialogue offers valuable insights into career transitions, creativity, and the pursuit of a fulfilling professional life.

LINKS

Find Jonas on LinkedIN

 

IMAGE CREDIT

(c) Latitude Creative, 2021

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 

 

RECORDED

Recorded on 11 November 2024

18 Jan 2025AN AUTHENTIC JOURNEY with Lisa Tamagini00:44:12

Lisa Tamagini is a New York City based Vocal Technique instructor. After a nearly 30 year singing career, the global pandemic’s impact on the industry as a time to delve into her passion for inspiring midlife women to embrace this chapter with vitality, style and a zest for reinvention.

She expresses this branch of her teaching through her social platforms @lisatandthecity and @theproageproject which is a collaboration with 5 other influencers in the Midlife Space.

 

QUOTES

On Embracing a Non-Linear Journey
Lisa emphasizes that success in the arts is rarely a straight path and often involves exploring various roles and experiences. She reflects on her own journey, stating:
“I realized that singing was never my passion, communication was.”

 

The Transformative Power of Teaching
Through her experiences, Lisa discovered that teaching can be as fulfilling as performing. She found joy in enabling others to find their voices, which mirrors her own artistic journey.
“I realised that I loved teaching more than singing, and that I was at least as talented at that as I ever was at singing.”

 

Boredom as a Guide in Creative Endeavors
Lisa highlights the importance of personal engagement in both her content creation and her students' performances. She uses boredom as a signal that she’s not in the right space, indicating that if she feels bored, it’s time to reevaluate her direction. She notes:
“If I'm flipping through a bunch of content creators that seem to be having this amazing success... I just know. Well, that’s not the conversation that needs me. I'm not contributing there because it just isn't necessary.”
 

LINK

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 

 

RECORDED

Recorded on 04 November 2024

15 Aug 2021STAY CURIOUS with Erik Lautier00:44:58

Erik Lautier is a former professional actor and opera singer who parlayed a web design business serving performing artists in the early 2000s into a highly successful career as an ecommerce and marketing executive at publicly-traded retail companies. Today, he’s an entrepreneur, an emerging composer, and a dad.

QUOTES

“The definition of making it on Broadway is doing the same show for potentially years at a time. And that terrified me because I didn’t see another way.”

“I’m going to teach myself web design so I can build a site for my performance work, others saw it and started to pay me to do that for them.”

“I needed an exclamation point after my performance career, to show I had skills and that ended up being an MBA.”

“It dawned on me that what was truly unique about me was this background that was completely unconventional… they (MBA colleagues) saw value in that even if I didn't at the time.”

“The marriage of technical and creative is a gift that musicians have that they don’t realise they have. That is extraordinarily valuable in business or another context.”

“When people ask me what they should I do, I say “just do something, anything you’re passionate about” Just get started.”

“Being able to pay singers to make their art was very gratifying.”

“I wasn’t afraid to fail and I wasn’t afraid to look like an idiot. And that’s the key. You can’t be worried about appearances on this kind of journey.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins
Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick
Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun
Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 05 April, 2021.

07 Nov 2021LOGIC AND PROBLEM SOLVING with Kylie Weston-Scheuber00:30:09

Kylie Weston-Scheuber is a Melbourne-based barrister specialising in commercial and administrative law. Through her previous employment, she has extensive experience as an advocate, including in contested hearings, trials, sentences and appeals. She has a PhD in law from the Australian National University. Kylie is available to accept briefs in Victoria and other jurisdictions. She is a member of Greens List. 

QUOTES

“People think of music as being a creative pursuit, and it is. But it also has, I think, a very big logic and problem solving component. And that’s what law ultimately is about.”

“It never ceases to amaze me the number of lawyers I meet who have high level music performance skills.”

“One of the key ideas behind it (Bottled Snail) is to improve mental wellbeing in the legal profession. As many people know, the creative arts are a great way of doing that.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

08 November 2016

13 Mar 2022PLAY YOUR PART with Daniel Meyers00:50:04

Daniel Meyers is a bass player, music administrator, and professional fundraiser who currently manages donor relations and annual giving at the Epilepsy Foundation of Minnesota. Before moving into fundraising, Daniel performed regularly as a substitute with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and he was a member of the Civic Orchestra of Chicago.

QUOTES

“I was playing with orchestras that were “the end goal” if you’re searching for a career as an orchestral musician, but I wasn’t finding the connection and focus on the audience and that focus on the audience. That’s what I care about.”

“I never heard or rarely heard musicians talk about the experience of the audience. And I felt like the people I was playing with didn’t care that much.”

“I don’t think you can expect something that someone does full time, that it can't be a job just some of the time.”

“You have this great opportunity and people are congratulating you, your peers are congratulating because you’ve achieved their dream. You feel like you should be on top of the world and you’re not. This is what I was hoping for and it’s really not all that”

"It was just a job for a lot of them."

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 08 October 2021

09 Jan 2022DRAWN ON THE WAY with Sarah Nisbett00:53:52

A former opera singer and self-taught live illustrator, Sarah Nisbett loves to draw the people, places and things she encounters “on the way.” Her Drawn On The Way project is helping people find the extraordinary in the everyday and to see themselves and others as works of art. Read the transcript.

QUOTES

“I learned how to draw on the New York subway. It was a strange kind of art school.”

“I was curious about people. Who is this person? And that was an experience I liked.”

“I had a realisation “what if there was no more work or gigs?” I realised that being successful meant travelling a lot and there’s a toll on your mental health. I didn’t know if that was my future.”

“The more successful I was in opera, the high wire got thinner and taller and I thought I don’t know if this (opera) is more important than everything else in life.”

“I was always interested in advertising, in the words, pictures and storytelling. I realised I do that as a performer.”

“What are the things in myself I would like to get paid for?”

“Today I am “playing” the role of competent office worker.”

“Your creativity and music is always a part of you, you just need to find a way to let it out.”

“Drawing in stolen moments was my oasis.”

“I started sharing my work online, to tell a story and to help people have a beautiful experience.”

LINKS

IMAGE CREDIT

Eian Kantor

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 16 August 2021

20 Mar 2022CLASS AND CLASSICAL MUSIC with Sadah Webster00:58:23

A former professional oboe and cor anglais player based in London, Sadah Webster now works as an investigator and intelligence analyst. Investigating whistleblower complaints and misuses of public office.

QUOTES

“I was halfway through a Bachelor of Music degree when I took a year off to study linguistics and live in Thailand.”

“I didn’t know what I was doing, I was petrified all the time and I was burned out.”

“Looking back, emotionally, I think the fact that I was advanced as a player quite early on and I got thrown into a lot of stuff which was great for my playing but emotionally I wasn't ready.”

“Because I had solely focussed on being an Oboist, I didn’t know anything else.”

“I had various attempts at retraining, but a sense of purpose came much later in my emotional journey.”

“As a freelancer, you never know why you don’t get booked.”

“The context in which we learn perpetuates “there’s something wrong with me” and the same toxic productivity runs through the law school as in music school.” 

“Assumptions are being made about your work ethic, motivation and ability to use your time. I had been told by various teachers that I was lazy when I couldn't practice more because instead I had to work to earn a living.”

“The only tool the teachers have is “well just practice more”.

“The work was more stressful than enjoyable, the balance had totally shifted and I was just exhausted.”

“The cost benefit analysis of being an oboist doesn’t make sense, but I didn’t know how to make that assessment when I was studying.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 24 October 2021

25 Jan 2025BRIDGES NOT WALLS with Matteusz Jagiełło00:40:14

Mateusz was born and raised at the dawn of the internet and digital revolution. A camera is not only an instrument in his hands – it’s also his weapon of choice in destroying people’s insecurities. He simply refuses to take photos without a deeper, more organic, and authentic connection. 

 

QUOTES

On how rigid expectations limit individuality

Mat explains how the traditional music education system discourages individual expression and creativity, pushing musicians to conform to specific interpretations. He reflects on the inherent conflict this created, saying, "I always play other people's music… it’s not my music. And then, even if I have my own personal interpretation… I cannot play like that because… I’m never going to win a job." 

 

On freedom and self expression 

Mat’s move into photography brought with it a renewed passion that he didn’t experience in his musical training. He states, "Studying philosophy… connected to it, and then the same became about music… I got just interested… and started craving more of it."
 

On embracing connection over ego 

Mat speaks to a transformation in his approach to art and work, shifting from a self-centered focus to one centered on connection and service to others. He says, "To me, art in general is about building bridges and not walls."

 

On listening and presence to build trust 

For Mat, the art of listening has become central in his work, especially in building trust with clients in boudoir photography, which requires sensitivity. He explains,  "The thing I'm most grateful for from music is listening...the more I do [photography], the more I realize that it's much more about listening than looking."

 

LINKS

Find Mateusz on his website and  Facebook

 

IMAGE CREDIT

Konrad Rudowicz

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 

 

RECORDED

Recorded on 08 November 2024

05 Dec 2021CENTRED IN SOUND with Joel Carnegie00:42:15

Joel Carnegie is an award winning broadcaster, documentary maker, performer and founder of the international media production house The Space Company. Joel pursued a Performance Degree on Horn from the University of Melbourne and Die Universität für Musik und darstellende Austria, and post graduate study in Communications and Media at RMIT before building his unique career as an entrepreneur, storyteller, performer and musician.

QUOTES

“There was one track for me, that was finishing Year 12, heading off to the Conservatorium and sailing off into the sunset to become an orchestral musician. That was really what I thought life was going to be like.”

“Music needs to speak something of today or needs to connect with someone about something of today. Great music does that and music that doesn’t, perhaps shouldn’t be played.”

“There is life beyond music, there is life beyond study and there is life beyond Mozart.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

05 January 2017

27 Feb 2022MONEY MATTERS with Tiffany Soricelli00:53:34

ABOUT TIFFANY

 

QUOTES

“At the end of first semester, I was looking around thinking about the professionals I had worked with from all different ages and backgrounds. I thought that if I wanted to add something, what might that be? I was interested in arts admin and thought if I understand what managers want then I could craft myself to navigate that sphere.”

“ What was eye opening was that backstage at Carnegie Hall looks the same as backstage as anywhere else. Eye opening to see the reality of a thing I had held sacred in my mind.”

“Living in Manhatten on $26K meant I was tired of choosing between rent or groceries. So I went to a headhunter and went to a hedge fund. They doubled my salary overnight. I thought “what is this world”.”

“What I thought was a means to an end, turned out to be life changing.”

“I had a lightbulb moment in a donor meeting, talking about their giving to the institution. I thought if everybody had access to this level of planning, this team of experts behind them then we could literally create a whole new generation of philanthropists and everybody could achieve their goals. What would I need to do that?.”

“So much of what I do is healing relationships with couples or individuals and their interactions with money.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 11 October 2021

05 Sep 2021A NEW CODE with Anna McDougall00:39:34

Anna McDougall is a full-stack developer with a passion for JavaScript. She is known as "that dev who used to be an opera singer".  In addition to her upcoming position as Junior Software Engineer at Novatec Consulting GmbH, Anna is also a tech blogger, YouTube creator, and public speaker.

QUOTES

“I had to go into every situation looking for, and wanting to find the gaps in my knowledge. And the things I'm bad at .The only way I'm going to get better is to find out what those are and work on those consistently over time. That’s a lesson I learned from opera.”

“It can often be a strength to be the odd one out.”

“I was loving the day to day work (of opera) but I started thinking more long term.”

I know there’s a logical, problem solving part of my brain I’m not using every day.”

“I wanted more than to be more than one piece in the machine.”

“Working a desk job is not nearly as fun but long term, I feel like I’m moving and that’s what’s important.”

“Imposter syndrome is something that tech and music have in common.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 
Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick
Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun
Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 07 June 2021

10 Nov 2021TRAIN THE MIND with Geoff Collinson00:36:11

After a career as principal horn player with the Australian Opera and Ballet Orchestra and guest principal with many other orchestras in Australia and overseas, Geoff Collinson found his true calling as a teacher and headed up the brass department at The University of Melbourne. 10 years ago, the digital world provided opportunities to solve problems of geographical isolation in music education and Geoff took the plunge away from a tenured position. People assumed I had given up on creativity but Geoff had never been more creative than through solving business problems. What he learned by being a musician about conquering his fears on the concert stage, the preparation required, and how focusing on his passion for knowledge quells negative thought has taken him to this point today. The creative world and the business world intersect in so many ways and he find myself in a unique position to help others on their journey.

QUOTES

“I used to suffer so intensely with nerves that I was advised to actually give up the Horn. I couldn’t stand in front of anybody and play without completely falling apart.”

“It was basically like starting an instrument from scratch again. So that learning and all the tools I’ve got have given me the persistence to go through all those times where you wake up at 3.30am in the morning worrying about how I’ll feed the family.”

“Some of this (business) is far more creative than what I was able to do as a musician, because I never walked over that line of improvising.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

15 November 2016

06 Mar 2022SPEAKING UP with Sarah Denholm00:45:34

Sarah Denholm was originally a classical pianist who moved into a successful career as a speaking and presentation skills coach, built after suffering from performance anxiety.

Sarah’s pathway back to comfort on stage was learning the art of public speaking. She now helps others globally through her Speakers Confluence® confidence and influence coaching and training programs.

QUOTES

On performing and imposter syndrome “I found it so stressful, and that’s still in my body.”

On being seen “I’ve had to learn how to overcome being looked at.”

On self-healing and finding your voice “I was determined to move forwards, I needed safety so much.”

On helping clients “When you’re speaking with fluency, you’re not fighting yourself.”

On your journey “I miss what I used to do but I don’t regret a moment of it. What I’m doing now is what I’m meant to be doing.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 16 September 2021

14 Dec 2024IMPACT AND INSIGHT with Lisa Bauer00:47:57

Lisa's life through high school was dedicated to becoming a violinist. But her time at New England Conservatory uncovered her love for "making things happen", leading her through multiple career changes. In every role, Lisa's musical training has always played a part in making her "dream impact": designing systems that empower collaboration.

 

QUOTES

On the pressure of fulfilling others' dreams.

“It took me a while... to not feel like a failure. Having gone to a music school, and then, not having come out as an active performer. ”
 

On the importance of seeking dream impact, not a dream job.

“When I'm looking for a new job, I want to make sure it’s a place where experimentation and exploration is encouraged and embraced, so I can make mistakes, and come out stronger on the other end.”
 

On the importance of finding personal fulfillment in her career.

“I was pleasantly surprised to discover that people were actually intrigued by my music background. They found that actually helped me stand out from the candidates.”


 

LINKS

Find Lisa on LinkedIN

New England Conservatory Entrepreneurial Musicianship Department, founded by Angela Beeching and formerly led by Rachel Roberts

New England Conservatory Community Engagement and Professional Studies Department, led by Tanya Maggi


 

IMAGE CREDIT

Nicolas Zurcher


 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 


 

Recorded on 04 October 2024

21 Nov 2021CONCERTS ARE HARDER THAN SURGERY with Tony Prochazka00:40:47

Tony Prochazka pursued a non-conformist training in both medicine and music. He interrupted his medical career to study Jazz Guitar at the VCA, having played Cello with the Australian Youth Orchestra during his schooling. He studied Classical Cello in Germany and London before building a successful career in cosmetic surgery.

QUOTES

“By the end of it I was just sold on music and that was really my awakening I guess at just how fantastic it could be.”

“I just remember we had some conversations, my parents and I. I said I would like to be a musician, they said it’s a hard life there’s no guarantees.” 

“The idea of the arc of a musical phrase is very similar to the idea of the construction of the face, or the balance of the face.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

06 December 2016

01 Dec 2021STAYING CHALLENGED with Jennika Anthony-Shaw00:41:49

Jennika Anthony-Shaw is a Barrister who held the position of Project Manager and Commercial Group Proceedings Coordinator for the Supreme Court of Victoria. Jennika has performance degrees from McGill University and the Manhattan School of Music and built a successful freelance career as a global trotting Cellist before embarking upon the path that would lead her to the law

QUOTES

“I started out in New York where everyone is really good. There’s 3 or 4 top music schools in the city and you do have to compete for work or create your own work.”

“I didn’t want to let myself down. I felt there was a lot of expectation to keep succeeding, keep playing music and to somehow manage to progress my career beyond where it was.”

As musicians we like to think we can work anywhere, it is odd to think sometimes you’re prevented from doing that.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Penny Manwaring

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Composed by Natasha Pearson

Theme Music Performed by Alison McIntosh-Deszcz (soprano), Natasha Lin (piano), and Susan Eldridge (horn). 

Theme Music Recorded Lady Marigold Southey Performance Studio, 3MBS Fine Music in Melbourne in October 2016. With thanks to recording engineer Cheryl Scott.

FIRST BROADCAST

27 December 2016

24 Oct 2021PLAY AND EXPLORATION with Patrick Tapio Johnson00:47:54

After a decade and a half as a London-based freelance cellist, Patrick Tapio Johnson has retrained and has just commenced his first role as a software engineer with General Assembly. He hopes this will enable him to provide real, meaningful help to people, while solving some cool problems in the process.

QUOTES

“After the pandemic, things changed overnight. The pandemic wasn’t the catalyst but it was a nudge.”

“Amongst musicians, many had their heads in the sand and were reluctant to take advantage of it (the pandemic).”

“I was performing for a lot of people, and searching for a sense of purpose and relevance. In a lot of cases, musicians were not considering how to monetise their skills.”

“There were reactions to what was going on but few that seemed constructive.”

“Writing code was making me feel more creative than anything I had done in years.”

“In tech, there’s a willingness to take people on based on what you think they’re capable of.”

“When I had a son, it was a moment in life that I started thinking beyond what the next gig would be. I wondered how I could run both careers in parallel.”

LINKS

IMAGE CREDIT

Kaupo Kikkas

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 26 July 2021

16 Mar 2025Holly Mathieson00:52:08

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF COUNTRY

This episode was recorded in Tāmaki Makaurau. I acknowledge the mana whenua of Tāmaki Makaurau, Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei, and all iwi of this region. I honour the Indigenous people, their land, waters, and traditions. I also acknowledge their ancestors, the guardians of the past, and their present leaders.

ABOUT HOLLY

Holly Mathieson enjoyed an award-winning career as a conductor, regularly working with opera houses, ballet companies and orchestras in Europe, Australasia and North America, and recording for BBC, CBC and Decca. She recently retrained as a Software Engineer and Web Developer, and now runs Scordatura, a digital company building tools for music, musicians and audiences.

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Tech entrepreneur and music director Holly Mathieson reveals how she’s orchestrating a new harmony between classical music leadership and digital innovation. Holly offers an insider's look at her journey from the traditional world of conducting to the dynamic realm of tech, where she’s building platforms to empower classical music enthusiasts. Her innovative approach during the pandemic and her experiences in Canada and the UK illustrate the exciting evolution of music leadership, as she champions shared leadership within orchestras and reimagines the conductor's role.

Listeners will gain a unique perspective on the parallels between music and coding as Holly reflects on her transition from ballet to tech. She shares her contemplative journey through the challenges of leaving behind familiar artistic environments and connections, and her curiosity about the vibrant personalities she'll encounter in the tech industry. Holly’s insights offer a compelling look at the personal and professional impacts of anxiety, the relief the pandemic inadvertently provided, and the clarity it brought to her life as she navigated significant transitions with grace and courage.

The conversation takes an inspiring turn as Holly discusses the creation of safe spaces for musical expression and leadership development. Her transformative work with the Nevis Ensemble and orchestras in Canada showcases the power of fostering supportive environments and challenging traditional hierarchies. Through candid reflections on vulnerability and reimagining possibilities, Holly not only offers a refreshing perspective on leadership but also highlights the profound personal and collective growth that can emerge within the creative community.

LINKS

www.instagram.com/scordatura_digital/ www.facebook.com/ScordaturaDigital www.linkedin.com/in/hollymathieson/ www.hollymathieson.com

www.scordatura.io

 

IMAGE CREDIT

Martin Stewart

 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 

 

RECORDED

Recorded on 22 November 2024

23 Jan 2022DESIGNING WITH EMPATHY with Joshua Dema00:48:59

Joshua Dema is Melbourne based Cellist and Digital Designer. By day he is a Digital Accessibility Consultant for a company called Intopia. By night he is a Cellist who can be heard playing music from Pachelbel to Piatti to Panic at the Disco and everything in between.

QUOTES

“I  had this idea in mind of finding a backup career, but it needed to be something I was passionate about.”

“The more auditions I took, the more I kept failing them. I enjoying it less and less… I was so locked into this mindset of if I didn’t achieve this goal (orchestral job) I was failing everybody.”

“I started noticing the performances I liked were the ones where I was making decisions about the process.”

“I came across a thing called UX design. It involves empathy for users, practicality of the product and usability of design. That really fit my mentality.”

“Everyone I talked to from a non-music background was fascinated by trained musicians. It’s a really good talking point in job interviews.”

“I’ve come to realise that creativity is everywhere. Just because there’s not a performance doesn’t mean there’s not creativity”

“The outcome (of a job application) is not telling me how good I am at what I do.”

“When I do pick up my cello, it’s because I want to play it, not because I have to practice.”

“The more I removed money from music, the more I enjoyed it.”

LINKS

IMAGE CREDIT

Jacinta Keefe

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 23 August 2021

21 Jul 2021TOOLS FOR EXPRESSION with Jeff Miller00:37:25

Jeff Miller’s first career as a professional musician has had an enormous influence on both his furniture designs and the way he makes that furniture - something he’s been doing for the last 37 years. Music has also impacted the way he teaches, but probably not his writing of books and articles. Read the transcript on Medium.

QUOTES

“No amount of practice gets you around yourself.”

“I was never a composer in music, but I feel that as a furniture designer that I’m a composer.”

“Having learned music, it seemed so much easier to learn something else.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins
Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick
Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun
Theme Music Performed by  Jasper Ly

RECORDED
12 April 2021.

 

20 Feb 2022DOUBLE MAJORING with Michael Lowenstern00:54:51

Michael Lowenstern has spent 15 years as a professional bass clarinetist specializing in avant garde jazz, and 15 years as a professional brand marketer specializing in data-driven creative strategy. Those journeys have two things in common: They are both niche corners of their respective markets, and they are both things that most people couldn't care less about. He's currently a Principal Creative Director for Amazon.

QUOTES

“After music school when I turned up in NY, I stared at the phone. It took about 7 years to establish myself and I was doing the work I always wanted with Steve Reich, John Zorn and Peter Sekin. But I wasn’t making much.

“I always had ‘double majoring’ in life, it started as a temp and then worked in advertising.”

“I was driving on the New Jersey turnpike at midnight, having an existential conversation. I just played Beethoven for the millionth time, I hadn’t seen my kid in 3 days because I also have a day job with night gigs. Would I rather play Beethoven and fulfil that destiny for the rest of  my life or would I rather watch my kid grow up.” (2005)

“Now I’m able to feel fulfilled as a musician and have a second job”

“I landed in a great spot by dumb luck”

“The critical thinking part is not about being a clarinet player (singer, pianist, composer) it’s about being a musical contributor. If you're not contributing, you're taking. And if you're not empathetic, you don't know how to give. And if you don't do that, then you're not part of the solution that's pushing music forward.”

“if you’re successful at more than one thing, there’s precedent for that. Not to compare myself, but there are a lot of people in history who’ve been good at more than one thing.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 03 September 2021

12 Sep 2021SOUND CONNECTIONS with Anna Schaum00:40:40

Anna Schaum is a professional violist and licensed counselor who works at the intersections of psychology, neurobiology, social and ecological change, in both clinical and corporate settings.

She is Director of Ecosocial Development for an international photography business, and the founder of The Center for Sound Relationships, a resiliency studio in Portland Oregon. 

QUOTES

“I think of myself as an instrument when I’m working with people.”

“Sometimes I’m like a tuning fork, other times I’m listening to the other voices in the room and helping them to coordinate.”

“I realised I needed to do more than play music, something had been broken up in my accident.”

“I started doing volunteer work, looking for how I could use the ability to listen and connect with people without the instrument.”

“We have an opportunity and responsibility to find ways to ease up on that individualism, work collectively and lift up voices that are precious.” “In order to do that, we need to get out of our ego’s path.”

“Egos are to support a creative mind, not run the show.”

“We can’t make change only in our heads, as musicians if we just sat and thought about the music there would be no sound. It has to come through the body.”

“The orchestra told me I would need to choose between my interest in psychology, and my interest in remaining employed (in so many words).”

“My body has always been part of it. My classical training, especially when it came to taking auditions and being evaluated for it, realising this is how I’m going to make a living and survive, that’s when I cut off from my body.”

“I’d never been somebody who enjoyed going to orchestra concerts, I’d rather be doing it.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 17 May 2021

11 Jan 2025SIMPLE CLARITY with Kaz Krasovskis00:47:40

With his signature sensitive, organic approach to landscape design, Kaz has designed countless beautiful gardens throughout Melbourne and regional Australia. Informed by experience working in prestigious gardens in Europe including ‘Great Dixter’ and ‘Hermannshof’, Kaz creates gardens tailored to local Australian conditions, with a fresh, international perspective.

 

QUOTES

 

On balancing accessibility with depth in communication Kaz discusses the skill of simplifying complex ideas to make them accessible to different audiences but also highlights the challenge of feeling that, in doing so, one might dilute the depth of the content. This insight reflects the tension educators and communicators face between clarity and substance. 

“You’re sort of making the information so digestible and so relatable that it almost appears like you’re not delivering anything at all.”

 

On navigating career choices and fulfillment

 Kaz shares a personal experience of realizing that certain career paths might not be fulfilling in the long term, even after significant training and effort. His insight underlines the importance of reassessing one’s happiness and alignment with the chosen work, especially when it may become repetitive or limiting. 

“As much as I absolutely hated it, because I really wanted to have a career that I could continue on with, I decided that [Alexander Technique] wasn’t going to be my career.” 

 

On the impact of personal setbacks on professional choices

Kaz reveals how an ending personal relationship led him  to reconsider his professional path. This insight illustrates the profound effect personal life events can have on career decisions, reminding us that professional journeys are often deeply intertwined with personal experiences. 

“It was the end of a relationship… and I think it had become clear to me that Alexander Technique was not going to be something that was going to work for me.” 

 

LINKS

Find Kaz on his website, Instagram or Facebook

 

IMAGE CREDIT

Alexander Sartor 
 

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support and Audio Engineering by Thomas Grayden

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly 


 

Recorded on 01 November 2024

27 Mar 2022THE STRUGGLE IS REAL with Paul Bruch-Wiens00:50:02

Paul Bruch-Wiens is a Private Wealth Manager at Quadrant Private Wealth, based in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, where he lives with his spouse, two children and still has a deep passion for the performing arts.

QUOTES

“Singing in close harmony with my family and church community was a way of life. It was something you just did every Sunday.”

“After I finished a business degree, the only thing I could do to have gainful employment based on the training was to be a bookkeeper. But I’d already done that for 3 years as a part time job. It wasn’t interesting to me. So instead I studied for a Master of Music.”

“There was no job lined up for you coming out of music school, but I adamantly chose not to be a music teacher.”

“I got the job (in a bank) and thought it would solve everything. But it didn’t. It was really difficult to come to terms with making the wholesale change. In my heart of hearts I was still a performer and the reality of the situation had not caught up with me. I just didn’t believe it. I perhaps thought I would go back.”

“I have all of these things to pull experience from. People don’t necessarily want advice from people who haven’t felt that themselves”

“It’s liberating when you  find yourself, and let go of who you think you should be.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins 

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 21 October 2021

17 Oct 2021NEEDING PREDICTABILITY with Andrew Schwartz00:44:06

Andrew Schwartz holds a degree from the University of Hartford and pursued a Masters from The Manhattan School of Music in Tuba Performance. He received an MBA from Georgia State University and now works in marketing insights for Central Garden & Pet. He lives in Decatur, GA with his wife and daughter.

QUOTES

“I could see orchestras filing for bankruptcy, and it was terrifying. I was under the impression that  if you make it, you make it. But if the Philadelphia Orchestra is filing for bankruptcy then no one is safe.”

“This is the thing I want to do (orchestra concerts), but if I’m asleep at concerts then what are we doing?”

“I was barely living above the poverty line in NYC.”

“I had no idea what the real world was like.”

“If I got an MBA, that would give me two years to figure it all out.”

“I don’t know if I’ve gotten over that my identity is what I do.”

“My biggest fear was winning a job, the orchestra was bankrupt, I would have to move or there were no other jobs.”

“In the real world you need to be a whole person.”

“One big thing I took from music is storytelling.”

LINKS

PODCAST TEAM

Production Support from Molly Jenkins

Audio Engineering from Frazer Ruddick

Theme Music Composed by Danna Yun

Theme Music Performed by Jasper Ly

RECORDED

Recorded on 05 July 2021

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