Carnism Debunked Podcast (George Martin)

In today's episode, I chat with vocal efilist and anti-natalist vegan Laith Malek Reem, along with YouTuber and full-time AR activist Humane Hancock, whose focus recently has been on wild animal suffering and human intervention in nature.   

We discuss whether extinction (human and non-human) is a good or bad thing, the brutality of life and nature, procreation, and the famous "red button" question, among other things!

This episode I'm honoured to be joined by a WORLD CHAMPION athlete in their sport, professional fighter Alexis Font.

We discuss Alexis' diet, his passion for animal rights, the importance of vegans learning self-defence in a violent world, and anti-vegan trash talk!

Donald Trump's emphatic win in the latest Presidential Election has sent waves of shock and also of "hate to say I told ya so" across the world. The latter reaction comes from a large contingent of people, including on the left, who, frankly, saw it coming. London-based animal rights activist Connor Anderson returns to the podcast for this episode to give his takes on what has gone so wrong for the left in the culture war over the last few years. Staunchly on the left himself politically, Connor is one of the many left-leaning people in the vegan community who has become disillusioned with the modern left and how it engages in "debate" these days. We take a deep-dive into modern leftist rhetoric and delve into just what is going so wrong for the left side of the culture war. _____ Connor's compilation of "leftist wet-wipes": Sunny Hostin (The View) https://x.com/HustusMichael/status/1854201466103410994 Screaming woman in car https://www.tiktok.com/@lexiiivlogs_/video/7434156965909007658?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7396334723511272992 University of Oregon Assistant Director https://x.com/OldRowOfficial/status/1854513579711496216 I want bad things to happen to you https://x.com/tpbreaking/status/1854648631275524214/video/1 Friend voted for Donald Trump https://www.tiktok.com/@janedoe11918/video/7434174116489366815?lang=en Report ‘Latinos for Trump’ to ICE https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1854686674069995614/video/1 Mother tells kids that Trump won https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1854329249815015880

Dr. David Benatar is a very special guest of mine indeed. A philosophical heavyweight renowned for his work worldwide, Dr. Benatar coined the term 'anti-natalism' and wrote the infamous anti-natalist book 'Better Never to Have Been', which puts forward the argument that it is bad that sentient life comes into existence and that we ought not procreate. Dr. Benatar's work has shaped my life immensely.

In this episode, I put to Dr. Benatar (a vegan anti-natalist himself) the idea put forward by NATALIST vegans (i.e. vegans who believe procreation is NOT immoral) that anti-natalism could actually HARM animals in the long run.

We discuss whether anti-natalist vegans should have a duty to clear the most land space to prevent creation of new life; whether veganism's environmental "benefits" are indeed a benefit; the contentious killing predators debate; and whether humans need to be around to help mitigate the horrendous issue of wild animal suffering. Plus, Dr. Benatar gives his opinion on what vegans with carnivorous animals such as snakes in their care ought to do with the animal.

From housemates, accommodation, to activism and lectures, today's guest, Olivia, gives us an insight into life for a vegan at university in 2024.

Olivia's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/olivethevegan_/

Olivia's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@olivethevegan

Have you ever wondered how to build a successful business? In this episode, I'm joined by Lee Stewart, an animal rights activist who left the world of routine work behind to become his own boss and do just that. Here he gives his tried and tested advice on how to start a business from scratch, as well as discussing criticisms of money and profiteering in the vegan movement, and recent controversies surrounding the Vegan Camp Out!

Patricia Nonis (PatGPT) joins me for today's futuristic episode to discuss the potential drawbacks of the AI intelligence explosion. Are we headed for a dystopian future?

Pat's talk with David Pearce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-sepOjMa8g

The legendary Emily of BiteSizeVegan.org joins me for Episode 23 of the podcast. I talk to Emily about where she's been lately, how she experiences the world as an autistic person, the fascinating findings shown in her recent video, and whether she's been speaking to Gary lately!

The Science of Why People Hate Vegans:

YouTube: https://youtu.be/ZPE5q92JuWc

Article (has video & the "deeper dives"): https://bitesizevegan.org/the-science-of-why-people-hate-vegans/

How Emily's autism connects her with animals:

YouTube: https://youtu.be/YNAnnzxRA_g

Article with video: https://bitesizevegan.org/how-autism-connects-me-with-animals/

In 2010, Bryony was in a very dark place, injecting heroin into her foot in a nightclub toilet. Come 2024 and Bryony has turned her life around, running her own business as a handstand and calisthenics coach, promoting a healthy plant-based diet, and living a life free of drugs and alcohol.

A very obvious content warning: this episode explores distressing themes such as bereavement, hard drugs, and addiction. 
Bryony's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/upsidedown_vegan/

It's the dawn of a new era in the West with regards to freedom of speech and Big Tech censorship, as the overton window has shifted after some truly dark and dystopian times. With a free speech resurgence happening across the world, Pat Jordan joins me for this episode of the podcast to discuss the return of one of our basic freedoms.

Pat's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@THATVEGANLAWYER

Pat's Substack:

https://patricianonis.substack.com/

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James Aspey comes on to discuss his recent health issue and dealing with anger, the thing that caused it.

We also delve into ex-vegans, theism, and the Matrix...

Sonia Sae was the subject of international media scrutiny due to false allegations that she was starving Jumanji, a fennec fox in her care, on a plant-based diet.

In this episode we discuss Jumanji's story and the death threats Sonia received, as well as weighing in with our opinions on feeding carnivorous and insectivorous animals plant-based diets.

(Disclaimer: neither myself nor Sonia are veterinary professionals or qualified researchers on animal nutrition; however, we discuss in this episode what we have personally each concluded based on the science we have seen.)

This cruel world we live in can cause us to think in negative and self-limiting ways.

Claire is a mindset and mentality coach based in the UK, and she joins me for this episode to offer her guidance to all of us wishing to navigate this life via changing the way we think and improving our lives for the better.

Instagram: @modernhippiemindset

TikTok: @modernhippiemindset

www.modernhippiemindset.com

Episode 4 is the first episode in which the topic will not be related to veganism and animal rights. In this episode, That Vegan Lawyer will aim to present a case for Michael Jackson's 100% innocence of all allegations made against him. We go through each allegation in chronological order and examine a case for MJ's innocence of all wrongdoing. 

Tash Peterson, aka V-gan Booty, is an animal liberation activist who is often the focus of media attention in Australia. In this episode, we discuss social media censorship, the use of the female body to promote animal liberation, and Tash's recent brush with anti-terror police, among other things!

Buy the amazing 'Freedom Warrior' album: https://veganqueenv.bandcamp.com/album/freedom-warrior 

Today I'm joined by the incredibly talented Vegan Queen V, a UK-based singer-songwriter who makes music about veganism and animal liberation.  We discuss her work and I play my personal 5 favourite tracks from her incredible new album 'Freedom Warrior', which you can buy at the link above.

Vegan Pixie Warrior is my former street outreach co-organiser and current We The Free organiser for Bristol, UK. In this episode, we discuss vegans active, her experiences with the Liberation Pledge (plus potential pros and cons), and what We The Free is and how it is unique from other street outreach groups.

Clare Mann is a vegan psychologist who wrote the book 'Vystopia – the anguish of being vegan in a non-vegan world'.   If you're a vegan, there's a good chance you'll relate to Clare's book and the things we discuss in this episode.

This week I'm joined by abolitionist and vocal critic of single-issue activism, Sardar, and Romford Earthlings Experience organiser Connor Anderson, who also participates in and supports single-issue events alongside his abolitionist activism.

Connor and Sardar debate the effectiveness of single-issue campaigns, and we discuss, amongst other things, fur-shaming, outreach strategies, and the influence of money in the animal rights movement in light of recent dramas. 

The animal rights movement is rife with toxicity and slander, and not many people can attest to that more than Episode 17's guest, 'Der Extreme Veganer' (The Extreme Vegan), Oliver Loos!

Oliver and I discuss how he was unfairly kicked out of several activist groups and how he came back from it; the reasons people are dropping out of activism lately; his tried and tested tips for getting views on TikTok; and the time he got kicked out of an animal rights march by some VERY hypocritical people!

Oliver's links (podcast, TikTok, etc.): https://linktr.ee/derextremeveganer

My video on debunking intersectionals: https://youtu.be/85whFsvZXOI

NEO 10Y holds intersectional and progressive values, but believes intersectionality is being wrongly implemented into animal rights spaces by various activists, and comes on to talk with me about the double-standards he sees.

We discuss "wokeism", "white veganism", and if spirituality is indeed the enemy of veganism, among other things.

Check out NEO 10Y's stuff on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3G1V2jfTZO61Hs3dX7ilrA

Check out NEO 10Y's YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@NEO10Y

David C. Arenas is an animal rights activist from Colombia. He is passionate about veganism from a rights-based perspective and is well-versed on the history of veganism and the animal rights movement.

In this episode he shares the red flags he spotted leading up to CosmicSkeptic's recent u-turn, and we discuss the initial intentions of the founders of the Vegan Society. David also shares why Leslie Cross—not Donald Watson—was perhaps the most significant figure in the foundation of the modern vegan movement and its principles, and talks about the errors he has seen the Vegan Society make since Cross's initial doctrine. David also shares why he sees utilitarianism as an incompatible philosophy with veganism.

Instagram: @davidc.arenas

Arvind Kannan is an Indian animal rights activist who was inspired to go vegan after watching Gary Yourofsky's speech. Following in Gary's footsteps, Arvind gives animal rights talks to classrooms around India.

By far one of India's most well-known activists, Arvind has several viral videos debunking anti-vegan arguments and has around 330k Facebook followers at the time of this podcast.

We discuss his activism, the AR scene in India, and intersectionality, among other things.

In this episode, I was honoured to be joined by Alex Hershaft, who survived the Holocaust as a child and went on to co-found Farm Animal Rights Movement (FARM) in the US during the 1970s. We discuss his experiences, the parallels he saw between what happened to Jews and to farmed animals, and the differences he sees. We also talk about his work at FARM, and discuss problems in the modern AR movement. 

This episode I'm joined by Bengali animal rights activist Altab Hossain. As well as discussing the animal rights scene in Bengal and veganism's compatibility with Islam,  Altab talks honestly and openly with me about the threats of death and violence he has received from his community, his relationship with his family, his animal-killing past, and the constant danger he is in in his culture simply for speaking up for animal rights. It's fair to say, there are none more braver activists you could meet than Altab!

Today I'm joined by YouTuber Danny Ishay, aka Lifting Vegan Logic.

We discuss the myths that surround building muscle on a plant-based diet, ex and anti-vegans, the 'crop deaths' conundrum, and some recent dramas!