Between Drafts (Nathan Baugh and Nat Eliason)

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Nathan shares his journey querying agents for his debut novel, the brutality of getting rejected 90+ times, and the lessons learned along the way.

Most importantly, he shares what he's going to do differently with his new novel, and why he thinks he has a much higher chance of success now than he did before.

[0:00] Getting an Agent for a Novel
[1:37] How Long Should Your Book Be?
[4:27] When Are You Ready?
[7:32] Getting Feedback Before Querying
[9:40] Finding Beta Readers
[10:41] Searching for Agents
[12:43] What to Send Agents
[17:18] Writing An Exciting Query Letter
[19:14] Paid Query Critique Services
[22:37] The Book Synopsis
[25:30] Example Query Structure
[29:17] How Long Does a Response Take?
[31:07] Reasons Agents Aren't Interested
[34:41] Rejections Hurt
[37:06] What Nathan's Doing Differently This Time
[39:41] Getting Warm Intros
[42:23] Having an Author Platform
[44:28] Successful Query Letters to Copy

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In this episode, Nathan and Nat share their processes for getting feedback and editing their drafts.

From outlining a "top-down" hierarchy that nails the high-level story before sweating the small stuff, to strategies for soliciting targeted feedback, this conversation is a masterclass on self-editing for any author working on their manuscript.

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[00:00] Introduction to editing approaches and book updates
[00:47] Nathan's progress on "The Witch" and query letters
[01:36] Discussion of manuscript feedback and beta readers
[02:58] Exploring non-traditional publishing options
[03:17] Breakdown of Author's Equity publishing model
[05:09] Nat's update on "Husk" manuscript feedback
[07:11] Editing strategies and question-based feedback approach
[08:28] Common editing mistakes and inefficient processes
[10:05] Hierarchy of editing levels: story, act, scene, prose
[13:34] Strategies for avoiding over-editing while writing
[16:31] Effective questions for beta readers
[19:36] When to share drafts with others for feedback
[25:36] Using GitHub for manuscript version control
[37:06] Experience working with professional editors
[38:58] Impact of different reading mediums on editing
[42:34] Techniques for improving prose and writing style
[49:35] Finding honest feedback and handling criticism
[51:43] Current reading recommendations and discussions

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In this very short intro episode, Nat and Nathan introduce the Between Drafts podcast which will be launching next week.

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Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups and downs, rejections and victories, and everything they're learning along the way.

Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently, this is a candid, unfiltered look at what it really takes. Nathan and Nat don't hold anything back as they workshop each other's drafts, swap tips for overcoming hurdles, and get real about their numbers, pitches, and publishing experiences. It's the inside scoop you won't find anywhere else—the ideal listening companion for any writer seeking to turn their dream into a career.

[0:00] Nat & Nathan's backgrounds as online writers navigating the publishing world
[0:23] Nathan's history writing a novel and querying 60+ agents
[4:07] Nat's experience publishing Crypto Confidential
[6:32] The power of building an audience as an author
[11:15] Major differences in getting a fiction vs. nonfiction book deal
[14:28] Navigating traditional vs. self-publishing paths
[18:06] Feedback from Nat's agent that led to scrapping his sci-fi novel
[21:47] The pitfalls of over-editing too early
[23:44] Getting comfortable deleting your work
[27:23] Writing tips for conflict and excitement
[35:11] Using familiar settings like schools to offset complex magic/tech systems
[36:40] Creating flawed, relatable protagonists
[39:05] Current reads & book recommendations

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Ever dreamed of landing a life-changing book deal?

Join Nathan and Nat as they discuss Nat's journey securing a $275,000 book deal with Penguin Random House for Crypto Confidential.

You'll learn the essential ingredients for a nonfiction book proposal that grabs publishers' attention, the art of building an audience as an author, and insider tips on navigating the traditional publishing world.

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[0:00] Getting a $275,000 book deal from Penguin Random House
[2:35] Two things you need for a nonfiction book deal
[4:43] Traditional publishing versus self-publishing
[5:58] Building an audience as an author
[8:52] How big of an audience do you need for a book deal?
[13:03] Writing a nonfiction book proposal
[20:53] Getting a nonfiction agent
[31:47] Pitching your book to publishers
[37:22] Publisher interviews
[40:22] Getting a preemptive offer
[44:44] Potential downsides of receiving a large advance
[48:58] How to find agents without warm introductions

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