Being Human with Steve Cuss (Christianity Today)

“Did you have integrity today?” That’s the question that Steve Carter, author, podcaster, and former lead teaching pastor of Willow Creek Community Church, pictured his son asking him when allegations of sexual harassment against Bill Hybels emerged. Carter realized he couldn’t go “play church.” He had to take the allegations seriously and act with integrity, which, for him, looked like resigning. On this episode of Being Human, Cuss and Carter discuss what it looks like to have integrity when mentors and institutions fail us. They talk about the heartbreak of losing beloved communities, navigating relationships when people feel betrayed, and how difficult it is to see broken systems when inside them.  Carter shares how he has dealt with the weight of being misunderstood, the way some of his highest values were wielded against him, and what it was like to deal with public loss and accusation as an Enneagram Three. He and Cuss talk about the power of the resurrection and the two Greek words that became an anchor for Carter. And they discuss what propelled Carter to write Grieve, Breathe, Receive—a stunning memoir on grief and healing that recounts Carter leaving Willow Creek Church, entering a wilderness season, and enduring loss upon loss upon loss, from income and reputation to precious family members and more. Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Luke: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching by Fred B. Craddock Steve Carter Craft & Character with Steve Carter Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding a Faith Strong Enough to Hold Us by Steve Carter The Thing Beneath the Thing: What's Hidden Inside (and What God Helps Us Do About It) by Steve Carter Willow Creek Community Church “Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs”  “Cadet Prayer” Annie F. Downs Ira Glass Camino De Santiago “What Is a Verbatim?” Compassion International “Welcoming Practice” The Worst James Harden Flops “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As the Thanksgiving holiday draws near in the US, Steve and Lisa Cuss reflect on the importance of gratitude. They talk about intentionally prioritizing the activities, people, and places that help us feel alive. Steve shares how keeping a Life Giving List has helped him through challenging faith seasons, and Lisa gives some practical examples for cultivating thankfulness in everyday life.  Steve and Lisa talk about the often emotional experience of gathering with family for holidays and how to develop a noticing frame of mind. They discuss political differences among loved ones, strategies for deepening our relational capacity, and the power of curiosity. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Capable Life Free Resource Dashboard (includes Life Giving List) “Enneagram, Anxiety, and What We Live For” with Jimmy Carnes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"In Christ, God has come near and has walked with us. The transformation that is other than us has actually come near so that we could be changed and transformed.” So says pastor and author Geoff Holsclaw as he joins host Steve Cuss on this episode of Being Human. Holsclaw, who cohosts the Embodied Faith podcast and runs Western Seminary’s doctor of ministry program in spiritual formation and relational neuroscience, is deeply interested in how people grow, transform, and connect to God. On this episode, Holsclaw and Cuss talk about attachment theory, philosophy, and theology. They discuss liturgical practices that shape people and communities and consider how physical bodies relate to one another in spiritual spaces. Their conversation includes Holsclaw’s participation in the Vineyard Movement, what it looks like to combine the charismatic and liturgical, and what drew Holsclaw to brain science. Tune in for an episode that incorporates all parts of what it means to be human, from the spiritual and emotional to the mental and physical. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Geoff Holsclaw Vineyard USA Augustine Hegel Doctor of ministry program at Western Seminary: Spiritual formation and relational neuroscience Does God Really Like Me?: Discovering the God Who Wants to Be With Us by Cyd Holsclaw and Geoff Holsclaw Embodied Faith podcast Richard Foster Dallas Willard Devotional Classics: Selected Readings for Individuals and Groups by Richard Foster Attachment theory The Enneagram The Change Monster: The Human Forces that Fuel or Foil Corporate Transformation and Changeby Jeanie Daniel Duck “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Whether our holidays are snowy or sunny—as they are for Steve Cuss as he records from Perth, Australia—the same thing is true: Christmas is a time to remember God’s nearness to us. Steve looks to the text of Luke 2, exploring Mary and Joseph’s journey to Bethlehem and their quest for a place to stay. He describes the meaning behind the Greek word philoxenia (“love of the stranger”) and the Hebrew word Immanuel (“God with us”) and considers what those terms may mean for Christians today.  Ultimately, Steve encourages listeners to recognize that God is the ultimate host—welcoming us with love into a forever family. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Peculiar Treasures by Frederick Buechner “Six White Boomers” ​​Philoxenia Immanuel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What do a high schooler’s senior year and the offices of a high-fashion magazine have in common? Stress. During a discussion of The Devil Wears Prada, Steve Cuss and his college-bound daughter, Kaylee Cuss, talk about the anxiety on display in the iconic Meryl Streep film. The two talk about how Streep’s character, Miranda Priestly, may be the one in charge, but she’s arguably also the most anxious. They talk about trying to fit into existing systems, high emotions in the workplace, and relational enmeshment. Tune in for a heartfelt, insightful discussion of failure, success, and taking care of the relationships that matter most. Resources mentioned in this episode include: The Devil Wears Prada “Ep148: Gilmore Girls and Systems Theory” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gender dynamics in the workplace. What to do when you’re the only one of your kind in the room. The power dynamics and damage of the #MeToo and #ChurchToo scandals. These are some of the heavy topics that Steve Cuss and his guest, leadership development expert Kadi Cole, consider on this episode of Being Human. Their conversation draws upon Cole’s years spent developing women leaders and working with diverse teams as one of the world’s foremost leaders in helping organizations navigate healthy gender dynamics. Cuss and Cole talk about the ways people camouflage themselves to fit into a group, how men and women handle inner confidence differently, and what it looks like to be ourselves in Christ. Their discussion covers how leaders can cultivate safe environments that allow people to show up as they are, the effects of powerful leaders with unaddressed childhood wounds, and how Cole’s background as a nurse prepared her to engage executive leadership with a holistic perspective. They also talk about Momentum Marketplace, Cole’s new initiative to help young, kingdom-minded leaders be mentored in the marketplace. The Expectation Gap by Steve Cuss is now available! Resources mentioned in this episode include: Kadi ColeDeveloping Female Leaders: Navigate the Minefields and Release the Potential of Women in Your Church by Kadi Cole Find Your Leadership Voice in 90 Days: How to show up, speak up, and stand out with confidence by Kadi Cole “Code switching, covering, masking and social camouflage” Momentum Marketplace The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God by Steve Cuss “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Every human has three core relationships: to themselves, to others, and to God. Within those relationships, there are four dynamics that can infect them: assumptions, reactivity, predictable recurring patterns, and attempted solutions.  Listen in as Steve and Lisa Cuss start a conversation that explores these relationships and dynamics throughout 2025. The couple provides a high-level overview of each relationship and dynamic, setting the stage for upcoming episodes that will take deeper dives. They consider what the Lord’s Prayer and the Book of Job have to say about who we understand God and ourselves to be. Steve also gives a preview of guests soon to appear on Being Human, including Zach Meerkreebs, Kathleen Smith, and Ian Morgan Cron. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Epiphany “It’s Friday But Sunday’s Comin! - Tony Campolo” Zach Meerkreebs Ian Morgan Cron Kathleen Smith Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs by Steve Cuss  The Expectation Gap:, The Tiny Vast Space between Our Beliefs & Our Experience of God by Steve Cuss Capable Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Presence has a profound impact on our lives. So does its opposite—absence. On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cross welcomes author, professor, and public theologian Esau McCaulley. McCaulley’s book Reading While Black is dedicated to his father, which may lead people to believe that they had a close relationship. But, McCaulley says that dedication was his way of declaring, “I forgive you.”  During their conversation, Cross and McCaulley talk about how the absence of paternal love can shape a child. They discuss how McCaulley’s childhood affects his parenting, the role of humor in processing trauma, and the power of memory. They talk about racism, shame, and the roots of dehumanization. And they consider the presence of God’s love and redemption. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Esau McCaulley Reading While Black: African American Biblical Interpretation as an Exercise in Hope by Esau McCaulley How Far to the Promised Land: One Black Family's Story of Hope and Survival in the American South by Esau McCaulley The New Testament in Color: A Multiethnic Bible Commentary by Esau McCaulley Horatio Alger Marvin Williams Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense by N.T. Wright The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Reality TV alum Jinger Duggar Vuolo joins host Steve Cuss to share her powerful journey from fear-based religion to authentic faith and emotional freedom. She opens up about growing up under Bill Gothard’s teachings, breaking free from people-pleasing, and healing from spiritual trauma. Together, Jinger and Steve explore how vulnerability, community, and self-awareness can lead to lasting transformation. This episode offers encouragement for anyone navigating identity, faith, and the pressure to meet others’ expectations. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Becoming Free Indeed: My Story of Disentangling Faith from Fear by Jinger Duggar Vuolo People Pleaser: Breaking Free from the Burden of Imaginary Expectations  “Teens and Social Media: Key findings from Pew Research Center Surveys” “How Social Media Affects Your Teen’s Mental Health: A Parent’s Guide” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How many minutes per week do you think you can be exactly yourself? That’s the question that host Steve Cuss poses at the beginning of this episode, and it takes on specific meaning as he converses with his guest, Marvin Williams. Williams is the lead pastor of Trinity Church in Lansing, Michigan, and is currently earning his doctorate in systems theory, particularly as it pertains to the African-American experience. His forthcoming dissertation, My Whole Black Self, considers what it’s like to be exactly yourself and what happens when people cannot be exactly themselves.  Cuss and Williams discuss what drew Williams to systems theory, how leadership starts with personal transformation, and what it looks like to live in one’s identity fully. They talk about bullying, anxiety, and the Black writers, thinkers, and experts who have influenced Williams’ perspective. The two discuss connectedness, what it’s like to be in majority culture spaces, and how calmness is not always the opposite of anxiety. Their discussion also explores violence against Black Americans, the nuances of pastoring, and the role of politics in the life of the church.  The Expectation Gap by Steve Cuss is now available—order here! Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Marvin Williams A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix by Edwin H. Friedman Murray Bowen Bowen family systems theory Trisha Taylor “To Belong to One Another: Remaining Calm and Curious in Times of High Anxiety” with Rich Villodas The Souls of Black Folk from W.E.B. Du Bois Psychological Storms: The African American Struggle for Identity by Thomas Parham Charlie Dates Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Uli Chi thinks of wisdom, he primarily thinks of relational well-being.  Steve and Uli discuss where wisdom and relationships intersect, why we need wise leaders, and what it looks like to relate rather than react. They discuss the current political climate and how it affects human connections, and they consider the importance of treating people as persons, not as simple ideas. Uli sheds light on concrete steps for living wisely, drawing on biblical examples that provide hope, direction, and opportunities for delight. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Uli Chi The Wise Leader by Uli Chi “Ash Wednesday” by T. S. Eliot Necessary Endings: The Employees, Businesses, and Relationships That All of Us Have to Give Up in Order to Move Forward by Henry Cloud The Humor of Christ by Elton Trueblood Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Around 250,000 people walk some portion of the Camino de Santiago, a 500-mile network of ancient pilgrim routes in Spain, each year. In 2016, Brian and Peri Zahnd became two of those people, and it’s marked their lives ever since. On this episode, host Steve Cuss talks with the Zahnds about the ways that the pilgrimage shaped their perspectives on life and faith. The three discuss pastoring, political participation, and peace in Jesus. Their conversation also covers the Zahnds’ books, ministry, and marriage.  Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guests include: Brian Zahnd Every Scene By Heart: A Camino de Santiago Memoir by Peri Zahnd Word of Life Church Camino de Santiago Faith, Hope, and Carnage by Nick Cave and Seán O’Hagan The Way Scot McKnight Paul Among the People: The Apostle Reinterpreted and Reimagined in His Own Time by Sarah Ruden Albergues on the Camino The Wood Between the Worlds: A Poetic Theology of the Cross by Brian Zahnd Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Are you on your own conscious list of relationships? If not, this episode is for you. Host Steve Cuss is joined by his wife, Lisa, to chat about putting yourself on your conscious list of relationships, responding to your inner critic, and three simple ways to diffuse anxiety in any situation. Steve and Lisa discuss the Enneagram, opportunities for individual and collective growth, and how connecting with God can improve our sense of self. This episode offers tangible practices for those who want to improve all types of relationships. These tools and more are featured in Steve’s latest book The Expectation Gap. Visit Stevecusswords.com to access free courses that go along with this episode. Being Human will be on hiatus until August 18th. In the meantime, would you consider leaving a written review of Being Human or sharing this episode with someone you think might benefit? We really appreciate your support! Resources mentioned in this episode include: The Enneagram “Brené Brown on Comparative Suffering, the 50/50 Myth, and Settling the Ball” Steve’s Free Courses “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“Did you have integrity today?”  That’s the question that Steve Carter—author, podcaster, and former lead teaching pastor of Willow Creek Community Church—pictured his son asking him when allegations of sexual harassment against Bill Hybels emerged. Steve Carter shares how he has dealt with being misunderstood when his highest values were wielded against him. He talks about the power of the Resurrection and shares what propelled him to write Grieve, Breathe, Receive—a memoir on grief and healing. Listen in for a rich discussion on relationships, reactivity, and remembrance. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Luke: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching by Fred B. Craddock Steve Carter Craft & Character with Steve Carter Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding a Faith Strong Enough to Hold Us by Steve Carter The Thing Beneath the Thing: What’s Hidden Inside (and What God Helps Us Do About It) by Steve Carter Willow Creek Community Church “Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs” “Cadet Prayer” Annie F. Downs Ira Glass Camino de Santiago “What Is a Verbatim?” Compassion International “Welcoming Practice” The Worst James Harden Flops Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Humility isn’t just deferring to the desires of others. It’s also standing up for the weak.  So says Dennis Edwards, vice president for church relations and dean of the seminary at North Park University, on this episode of Being Human. Cuss and Edwards talk about how Edwards’s many experiences of being the only Black man in the room have shaped him and his perspective. They talk about thoughtful and biblical approaches to theological education, the modern political landscape, and social media. And Cuss and Edwards consider how, for all of its flaws and challenges, the local church can offer unity in a way entirely its own. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: RevDrDre.com Humility Illuminated: The Biblical Path Back to Christian Character by Dennis R. Edwards  1 Peter (The Anchor Yale Bible Commentaries) by John H. Elliott The Urban Christian: Effective Ministry in Today’s Urban World by Ray Bakke Bowen family systems theory Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today on Being Human, it’s all about the Enneagram.  Steve Cuss welcomes back his friend and colleague Jimmy Carnes for a discussion about the nine types and how they reflect the character of God. Carnes explains the holy idea of each Enneagram type—also known as the nine faces of God—and the ways that we are all striving for one aspect of God to be true.  Carnes and Cuss discuss the nuances of their types and others. They consider how the Enneagram system can help people identify where they lose connection with God, themselves, and others. And they discuss navigating grief and anxiety as complex humans who are loved by God. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Capable Life The Enneagram Papillion Thomas Keating’s “Programs for Happiness” “If Discerning Good & Evil is Good, Why Was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil Bad?” (Greg Boyd, ReKnew) I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For by U2 History of the World: Part I The Good Doctor Andy Gullahorn Rich Mullins “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What does it mean to live a fully integrated life in Christ? Lisa and Steve Cuss return to do a deeper dive into some of the profound themes that have emerged in recent episodes of Being Human. They reflect on what it means to be bewildered by God, as Zach Meerkreebs experienced during the Asbury Outpouring. They unpack Kathleen Smith’s definition of differentiation and Eugene Cho’s challenge to focus on one global need while championing others in their callings. The conversation also delves into Steve Carter’s reflections on grief and the ways loss has shaped their own journeys of faith. Tune in for a thoughtful, hope-filled conversation on living whole lives in Christ. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Glenn Packiam “Authentic Love and The Asbury Outpouring with Zach Meerkreebs” “How to Be ‘True to You’ with Kathleen Smith” “Eugene Cho’s Guide to Mercy Over Burnout” “Revisiting ‘Grieve, Breathe, Receive’ with Steve Carter” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Zach Meerkreebs finished preaching at a university chapel service February 8, 2023, he texted his wife to say he felt like his sermon hadn’t gone well at all. Four hours later, he wept into a voice memo, asking her to load up their kids and head his way as soon as possible. What we now know as The Asbury Outpouring was beginning. Meerkreebs, a pastor and author, describes what it’s like to be part of a supernatural movement that takes on a life of its own. He and Steve talk about the shame many preachers feel after giving sermons they feel went poorly and how Meerkreebs has learned to steward his emotions in those moments. They talk about the vulnerability of grief, how God has met Meerkreebs at various moments throughout his life, and their hopes for the discipleship of Generation Z. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Lower: Igniting Spiritual Awakening Through Radical Humility by Zach Meerkreebs The Asbury Outpouring Adrenaline and Stress: The Exciting New Breakthrough That Helps You Overcome Stress Damage by Archibald Hart The Toronto Blessing Awakenings Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Bear is a show about cooking, kitchens, and Chicago. But for anyone who has watched more than an episode or two, it’s clear there’s more to the story. On this special episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss looks at seven core themes in the hit FX show The Bear. Through the lens of systems theory and anxiety theory, Cuss considers the false needs and beliefs revealed in the show’s characters. He examines their contagious anxiety, sheds light on their conflict patterns, and considers what the show has to say about relationships. Diving into everything from untamed ambition to unprocessed trauma, Cuss ponders the deeply human moments that keep viewers returning to The Bear. Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Music is one of the host Steve Cuss’ favorite ways to relax into God’s presence. On this episode he welcomes two artists who help him do just that—Andy Gullahorn and Jill Phillips. A married couple in Nashville, Tennessee, both Andy and Jill are singer-songwriters. Jill also practices as a therapist and Andy has a unique healing ministry.  The three discuss the power of songs and how the music industry has changed over time. They talk about what it means to pursue “a long obedience in the same direction,” as the late Eugene Peterson put it, and how to pursue work that is faithful and meaningful. They share practices they’d like to see uprooted in the church, as well as those they hope to see implemented. Finally, they share the experiences that generate reactivity in them and how they try to respond with gentleness and godliness.  Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Andy Gullahorn Jill Phillips Lyle Lovett Albert Borghman “My City of Ruins” by Bruce Springsteen “The Brave One” by Andy Gullahorn “Grand Canyon” by Andy Gullahorn Justin Timberlake & Chris Stapleton, Country Music Awards, 2015 Steven Curtis Chapman Long Obedience in the Same Direction: Discipleship in an Instant Society by Eugene Peterson The Pastor: A Memoir by Eugene Peterson Brad Jersak Celebrate Recovery “Died: Thomas McKenzie, Defender and Definer of Anglicanism” by Daniel Silliman “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“The richest man in the world turned off billions of dollars in funding for the literal poorest people in the world. It’s just, from my perspective, incomprehensible.” So says Nathaniel Moller, former USAID worker. Nathaniel and Steve discuss the presidential administration’s recent mass cuts to USAID programs and what the effects may be. They consider the cultural moments in America’s history when “the big C Church and the little church” have had a choice—operate out of fear or from love—and why Nathaniel believes such a moment is upon us now. They talk about the tenacity required to combat global issues such as malaria, the beauty of using our gifts and skills to further the kingdom, and why Nathaniel still has hope for the common good.  Resources mentioned in this episode include: “US President’s Malaria Initiative for States (PMI-S) Project”  The Hole in Our Gospel: What Does God Expect of Us? The Answer That Changed My Life and Might Just Change the World by Richard Stearns  “The United States President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have you ever walked into a room and immediately sensed anxiety between two people? Or maybe you’ve entered into a challenging conversation and have barely been able to hear it over the thunder of your heartbeat. Perhaps you’ve received a “we need to talk” text and felt your stomach drop with dread.  These types of experiences—and reactions to them—are common, yet we often lack the tools to name or address them. On this episode of Being Human, Steve and Lisa Cuss introduce a tool called the Four Spaces that is designed to help us do just that. They explain the four spaces where anxiety shows up and offer wisdom and insight for engaging with each of them. Their conversation covers taking responsibility for our emotions, releasing our desire to control others, and relaxing in God’s presence.  Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: The Four Spaces 24-7 Prayer Tools Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charlie Peacock is a Nashville music producer, jazz and rock-and-roll recording artist, singer-songwriter, and author. As Steve Cuss reflects on his friend Charlie's life, work, and new book Roots & Rhythm, a beautiful theme arises: the wildly relational nature of art. Charlie and Steve talk about the world-class musicians Charlie has worked with, the vulnerability of creating songs in collaboration, and what it looks like to stay human sized on a global stage. They discuss encouragement, love, and the power of praise. Steve and Charlie also talk about Charlie’s sensitivity to the fear of others and how he has put into practice the work of love casting out fear. Resources mentioned in this episode include: “Putting Beauty into the World with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth” Roots & Rhythm: A Life in Music by Charlie Peacock Why Everything That Doesn’t Matter, Matters So Much: The Way of Love in a World of Hurt by Andi Ashworth and Charlie Peacock The Odyssey by Homer “You Can Call Me Al” by Paul Simon No Man’s Land by Charlie Peacock Turtle Island by Gary Snyder “Rowing Song” by Patty Griffin Music & Meaning Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When the American version of The Office premiered on NBC in 2005, its all-star cast charged right through the fourth wall and looked the audience in the eye. The show’s unique style and cringeworthy stories didn’t just put a new kind of television on display—they explored anxiety in the workplace and relationships in a fresh, often embarrassment-fraught way. As Steve Cuss and his son Andrew talk about the episode “Dinner Party”—arguably one of the most “I can’t keep watching this but I also can’t look away” moments of the show—they explore how the episode reveals anxieties and idiosyncrasies in the characters. They talk about enmeshment, detachment, and differentiation. Listen and consider how art often reflects our anxieties back to us and can help us better understand them. Resources mentioned in this episode include: The Office “Dinner Party” Friedman’s Fables by Ed Friedman “Anxiety Is on the Runway in ‘The Devil Wears Prada’” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feeling overwhelmed by the state of the world?  Steve Cuss and Eugene Cho, president of Bread for the World, offer wisdom for Christians who want to pursue justice without burning out. Eugene and Steve discuss moving from a savior complex to faithful discipleship, engaging politics with compassion, and using our gifts to fight hunger and inequality. Tune in for a powerful conversation on justice, mercy, and making a lasting impact. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Eugene Cho Bread for the World One Day’s Wages International Justice Mission A21 Compassion International World Vision “Pastors Share Top Reasons They’ve Considered Quitting Ministry in the Past Year” “HIRR Releases New Report on Increasing Clergy Discontentment” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Being fully seen and fully known can feel, in a word, terrifying. And yet, that’s exactly what our souls crave—and exactly what God designed for us to experience.  From the Sheep Meadow of New York City’s Central Park, Steve Cuss explores the idea of being entirely ourselves. He considers the two protective extremes that often keep people from being fully human: pretense and pretending. Cuss walks through 1 John 3:19–20, which describes being vulnerable in the presence of a God who is greater than our hearts that condemn us. He looks at Jesus as the preeminent example of being exactly ourselves, shares stories from his time as a chaplain, and offers practical steps for remaining loving and curious in relationships. Resources mentioned in this episode include: The Meaning of Marriage: Facing the Complexities of Commitment with the Wisdom of God by Timothy Keller with Kathy Keller Capable Life Intensives Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Beth Moore is sure of one thing: In God, nothing is wasted.  On this episode, Cuss and Moore talk about the trauma and trials she has faced, including her experience of being abused as a child, leaving the Southern Baptist Convention after devoting much of her life to it, and walking alongside her husband, Keith, as he navigates bipolar disorder. They discuss how Moore decided to share more of their story in her memoir and the ways God has ministered to people through that vulnerability.  Tune in for an episode that speaks to God’s faithfulness in trauma, how Moore remains playful in the face of hardship, and what her recent back surgery taught her about how deeply God loves his children.  Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: All My Knotted-Up Life: A Memoir by Beth Moore Living Proof Ministries Greenlights by Matthew McConaughey  Surrender: 40 Songs, One Story by Bono Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Love isn’t meant to be conditional, especially when it comes to our understanding of how God loves us. But this episode’s guest—pastor, author, and podcaster Luke Norsworthy—says we’re far too normalized to the idea that love is contingent upon how we practice our faith, obey, and function in general. On this episode, Norsworthy and Cuss talk about whether or not the phrase “unconditional love” is redundant. They consider how family language can be misused and what it might look like to become more integrated in our lives. They talk about the parable of the prodigal son, what it is to be acquainted with grief as a believer, and how to process disappointment. Their conversation also covers celebrity pastors, loneliness, and the value of vulnerability. The Expectation Gap by Steve Cuss is now available—order here! Resources mentioned in this episode include: Luke Norsworthy Norsworthy How to Love the Life You Already Have: A Guide to Becoming the Person Life is Demanding You Be by Luke Norsworthy Craft and Character with Luke Norsworthy Herbert McCabe The Prayers of the People  Pepperdine University Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding a Faith Strong Enough to Hold Us by Steve Carter Curt Thompson “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There are different kinds of anxiety, but there is one type of anxiety that always feels real in the moment when it is not. Unlike acute anxiety which is always based on a real threat, like when you have to swerve to avoid a car, chronic anxiety is always based on a false threat. Like making everyone happy, or doing it perfectly every time or always needing to be there for others.  In this episode Steve and Lisa dig into what do you think you need that you don’t really need? And they also help you identify the big 5 sources of false anxiety.  Steve’s latest book explores the gap between our belief and our experience.  Help us spread the word! Leave a review or share this episode with someone who might benefit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Sermon on the Mount is beautiful. It’s also hard. On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss welcomes his friend, the pastor and author Rich Villodas. The two discuss Villodas’ new book, The Narrow Path, which focuses on the Matthew text. Villodas and Cuss discuss false needs, the longing for the good life, and what it means that God only dwells in reality. Resources mentioned during this episode include: New Life Fellowship Church The Deeply Formed Life: Five Transformative Values to Root Us in the Way of Jesus by Rich Villodas Good and Beautiful and Kind: Becoming Whole in a Fractured World by Rich Villodas The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Soulsby Rich Villodas God, Christ and Us by Herbert McCabe Faith Within Reason by Herbert McCabe The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out by Brennan Manning Pete Scazzero Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve digs deeper into the anxiety known as "reactivity" and the different ways we all respond when our values are broken by others. He uses the 2024 presidential election as an example, giving viewers a couple of tools to manage reactivity. For more about Steve, and to download his video ‘The 4 Spaces of Anxiety’ visit stevecusswords.com Being Human with Steve Cuss, in collaboration with Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Most Christians would probably say that relaxing in the presence of God sounds like a beautiful idea. But do we know how to do that? And do we understand what gets in our way? On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss helps listeners identify the reactivity in their lives that keeps them from experiencing connection with God, themselves, and others. He walks through a brief history of systems theory, noting the key figures who have built a body of work exploring how relational dynamics affect us. He explains the ways that ego drives decision-making, how to recognize and respond to stuck patterns, and what it looks like to “get off the treadmill” of expending energy and effort on trying harder.  Cuss shares stories from Scripture, history, and his own life that shed light on how to look at the nature of our beliefs. And he digs down to the surprising roots of the word “gospel,” illuminating the ways that only Christianity has a God who sacrifices that humanity might benefit. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Bowen Family Systems Theory Edwin H. Friedman Generation to Generation: Family Process in Church and Synagogue by Edwin H. Friedman Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs by Steve Cuss Gregory Bateson Margaret Mead Mental Research Institute The False Self Pax: War and Peace in Rome’s Golden Age by Tom Holland Virgil Timothy Keller Faith Within Reason by Herbert McCabe “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Author, psychotherapist, and recovering addict Ian Cron joins Steve Cuss for a powerful conversation on addiction, identity, and faith. Ian shares his personal struggles with alcoholism, the complexities of living as a public figure, and the spiritual insights gained through recovery. Steve and Ian explore the nature of addiction as a misguided solution to deeper wounds, the process of deconstructing faith on the way to reconstruction, and the church’s unique role in offering forgiveness and healing. This episode offers a raw reflection on the journey toward wholeness and the power of love in relationships. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Ian Cron The Road Back To You by Ian Morgan Cron Chasing Francis by Ian Morgan Cron The Enneagram The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between by Ian Morgan Cron Young Life Alcoholics Anonymous Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chuck DeGroat’s name has become somewhat synonymous with work on narcissism in the church. But as he and Steve Cuss discuss, DeGroat is devoted to shining a light on wholeheartedness and internal integration.   DeGroat and Cuss talk about anxiety—specifically around dying—and the way that age often brings with it a concern for one’s legacy. They talk about experiencing pain through work in church settings, noticing emotions that arise in ourselves and others, and coming home to God and ourselves—all while considering the impact of secondary trauma on people in pastoral and helping professions, ways to distinguish between shutdown and rest, and our response to the invitation of God. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guests include: Chuck DeGroat Healing What’s Within: Coming Home to Yourself—and to God—When You’re Wounded, Weary, and Wandering by Chuck DeGroat Wholeheartedness: Busyness, Exhaustion, and Healing the Divided Self by Chuck DeGroat When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse by Chuck DeGroat  “Narcissism In The Chair”  Internal Family Systems model The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God by Steve Cuss Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs by Steve Cuss “Always Beginners” by Thomas Merton Experimental Theology with Richard Beck The Enneagram Jesus, My Father, the CIA, and Me: A Memoir … of Sorts by Ian Morgan Cron Click here to ask Steve a question. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.” So says Paul in Romans 7, and so, it seems, says the character of Riley in Disney and Pixar’s Inside Out 2. On a special episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss and his wife, therapist Lisa Cuss, explore what the film has to say about being human. They talk about the film in terms of the internal family systems model and family systems theory. Ultimately, they consider what it looks like to notice parts of ourselves while remembering our core identity in Christ. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Inside Out Inside Out 2 Internal family systems model Bowen family systems theory Richard Schwartz Capable Life “Put Yourself on Your Conscious List of Relationships” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“Jesus cares for our troubles, but they don’t worry him.”  So says Alan Fadling, who joins host Steve Cuss on this episode of Being Human. Fadling is an author and the leader of Unhurried Living, a non-profit that trains people to rest deeper, live fuller and lead better. His latest book, The Non-Anxious Life, draws from spiritual formation and touches on systems theory, as well.  Cuss and Fadling discuss the ways that anxiety is not just a personal dynamic, but an organizational one. They consider what Dallas Willard had to say about anxiety and peace, how anxiety communicates that God is not there for us, and what it may look like to remember that Jesus is present with us. They talk about the differences in believing that “I am anxiety” and “I have anxiety.” And they consider how anxiety influences leadership, our sense of connection with Jesus, and our engagement with culture.  Tune in for an episode that sheds light on the way of peace. Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Alan Fadling The Non-Anxious Life: Experiencing the Peace of God's Presence by Alan Fadling Unhurried Living George Doebler Bowen family systems theory Edwin H. Friedman Dallas Willard Viktor Frankl “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Is the gospel primarily preventative or redemptive? What did Jesus emphasize between the two?  In this episode of Being Human, Steve is joined by his wife, the Friendly Neighborhood Therapist, Lisa, to consider these questions. They talk about faith gaps, how human development affects the ways we approach faith, and comparing ourselves to the pillars of the faith. Cuss also reads from his upcoming book, The Expectation Gap, which releases on May 28th. Listeners can preorder here. Get your preorder bonuses here! Resources mentioned in this episode include:  The Gap “Grieve, Breathe, Receive” with Steve Carter Camino De Santiago John F. Kennedy, Jr. playing under the Resolute Desk  The Crown Get Out of My Life, but First Could You Drive Me & Cheryl to the Mall: A Parent's Guide to the New Teenager by Anthony E. Wolf Aurora Leigh by Elizabeth Barrett Browning The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God by Steve Cuss Preorder bonuses for The Expectation Gap “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss welcomes Alan Briggs, the founder of Stay Forth, a coaching organization that focuses on leader health and sustainable impact. Briggs’s latest book, AntiBurnout, empowers readers to avoid the perils of burnout and offers practical ways to measure one’s own health and well-being.  Cuss and Briggs discuss the back-to-school anxiety that so many families face, how our individual wiring contributes to our unique anxiety triggers, and how to navigate modern political life. Their discussion includes tips and tools for identifying the skills, gifts, and abilities that can lead us away from resentment and toward rest.  Resources mentioned during this episode include: The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God by Steve Cuss God, Christ and Us by Herbert McCabe AntiBurnout: A Lighter Way to Live and Lead in a Heavy World by Alan Briggs Stay Forth Dr. Wes Beavis The 6 Types of Working Genius: A Better Way to Understand Your Gifts, Your Frustrations, and Your Team by Patrick Lencioni The Enneagram Capable Life Click here for a trial subscription at Christianity Today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Where does your energy go?  That’s the question therapist and author Kathleen Smith ponders with Steve Cuss as they discuss anxiety, people-pleasing, and playfulness. Their conversation covers the way people turn to relationships for comfort and the importance of recognizing our finite nature as humans. They talk about systems theory and how it shapes Smith’s therapy practice.  Smith and Cuss discuss the ups and downs of gossip, the power of intergenerational connections, and the intention it takes to shift from overfunctioning to resting in God. Resources mentioned in this episode: Kathleen Smith True to You: A Therapist’s Guide to Stop Pleasing Others and Start Being Yourself by Kathleen Smith Everything Isn’t Terrible: Conquer Your Insecurities, Interrupt Your Anxiety, and Finally Calm Down by Kathleen Smith The Anxious Overachiever Bowen Family Systems Theory Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Some of the most beautiful art in existence was born of great trauma and pain. Think of Vincent Van Gogh, for example, or the Psalms written from a hiding place.  On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss welcomes two artists who both know great tragedy and have produced remarkable creative work: Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth. The married couple recently published a book, Why Everything That Doesn't Matter, Matters So Much: The Way of Love in a World of Hurt, and they join Cuss for a discussion of grief, art, and hospitality. Their conversation touches some of the couple’s lowest valleys and highest mountains. They talk about Art House America, which they founded in 1991, and how music and writing have been their companions in times of joy and sorrow.  Tune in for a vulnerable and rich discussion of marriage, self-reflection, and the hope of Christ in all things.  Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Vincent Van Gogh on Doctor Who Charlie Peacock Andi Ashworth Why Everything That Doesn't Matter, Matters So Much: The Way of Love in a World of Hurt by Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth Art House America Greenbelt Festival Scotty Smith Francis and Edith Schaeffer My Father’s Crown by Charlie Peacock Luci Shaw Paranassus Books Music & Meaning with Charlie Peacock “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Artist. Theologian. Immigrant. These are the three words that come to mind for host Steve Cuss when he thinks of his guest, Phuc (Phu) Luu. On this episode, Luu responds to each of those terms, sharing how they make up who he is.  Cuss and Luu discuss what it means to take refuge and the meaning to be found in the fact that Jesus himself had to take sanctuary. They talk about art as a way to depict one's inner world and what motivates Luu to paint. Luu also reacts to the image of King Charles’ new portrait in real-time on the episode (which was recorded before the vandalization of the portrait by activists).  They also discuss Luu’s book Jesus of the East and its themes, including broken harmony, the restoration of Shalom, and the Korean term “han,” which means a sense of woundedness that is so deep there is no English equivalent. Luu also vulnerably shares what it’s like to be the only Vietnamese or minority culture person in the room.  Tune in for an episode that tenderly and powerfully considers ethnicity, belonging, and the Jesus who understands everything about who we are. The Expectation Gap by Steve Cuss is now available—order here! Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Phuc Luu People of the Way: Phuc Luu’s Notebook  Jesus of the East: Reclaiming the Gospel for the Wounded by Phuc Lu Irenaeus of Lyons Andrew Sung Park Francis Bacon King Charles’ portrait “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How can people connect with others without merging into them or letting them take over? How can we differentiate ourselves from one another while remaining connected in meaningful ways?  These are some of the questions that Being Human host Steve Cuss poses to his guests, Grace Liu and Cory Elisabeth. The founders of Pursue Inner Growth, a coaching and counseling service in Indonesia, Liu and Elisabeth share rich and nuanced thoughts on how culture, place, and heritage shape who we are. Cuss speaks with Liu and Elisabeth about the unique challenges Southeast Asians face, the difference between an individualistic culture and a communal one, and how people can deal with both individual and communal shame. Their conversation covers some of the variances in Western and Asian psychology, such as what the idea of setting boundaries looks like in different cultures. Liu and Elisabeth walk through case studies of difficult interpersonal situations, discuss the implications of honor-shame culture, and share what they, as Indonesian women, wish that Cuss knew as a white man. The Expectation Gap by Steve Cuss is now available—order here! “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Five years ago, Barrett Harkins walked Spain’s Camino de Santiago—an ancient Christian pilgrimage walked by over 500,000 people each year—for a friend’s birthday. Somewhere along the path, he called his wife and asked what she thought about moving there.  Now a missionary in Santiago, where he works with pilgrims on the path and at a hostel, Harkins and Steve Cuss walk the path together. They talk about the power of slowing down and the profound conversations that take place as people journey with one another. They explore what God does in temporary spaces, what it looks like to let go of what we no longer need, and why it is important to create a reflective mind.  Harkins discusses the history of the Camino, the reasons people walk the path, and the way many pilgrims—including Harkins—have found it to be a place where God meets them in their anxiety and offers transformation. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guests include: Camino de Santiago “The Power of Pilgrimage with Brian and Peri Zahnd”  Three Mile an Hour God by Kosuke Koyama John Mark Comer The Enneagram Striking Out: Poems and Stories from the Camino by Stephen Cottrell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve Cuss has a special burden for pastors and church staff. As someone who spent 27 years in such roles, he knows the unique challenges personally. On this episode, Cuss shares some of his own journey, including how he struggled with conflating his identities as a child of God and what felt like being an employee of God. Cuss talks about the gap between what we believe about God and what we experience from God. He guides listeners through the story of Peter walking on water (Matt. 14). Cuss discusses peace, freedom, and love, inviting us to help our body align with our head beliefs so we can relax into God’s presence. Cuss also reads from his upcoming book, The Expectation Gap, releasing May 28, which listeners can preorder here. Preorder bonuses are available here. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs by Steve Cuss “From a Distance” Matthew 14 The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God by Steve Cuss Preorder bonuses for The Expectation Gap “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The workplace can be a setting where people see their worth and have it honored by others. It can also be a hub of discouragement, aimlessness, and a lack of encouragement.  On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss welcomes Jeff Haanen, author of Working from the Inside Out. Haanen, who is the founder of the Denver Faith and Work Institute, sheds light on how inner work can shape outer work and what it looks like to live out Christianity in jobs and careers. He provides listeners with a starting point for thinking theologically about their work and gives pastors some tips for helping their congregants feel seen in their work lives. Cuss and Haanen talk about dignifying all types of honest work, the value of physical labor, and what it looks like to work unto the Lord when career and passion don’t align.  Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Denver Institute for Faith and Work Working from the Inside Out: A Brief Guide to Inner Work That Transforms Our Outer World by Jeff Haanen The Center for Faith and Work  Lesslie Newbigin Charlotte Institute for Faith & Work Nashville Institute for Faith and Work Made to Flourish “God of the Second Shift” Treatment Technology Babette’s Feast “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Start paying attention. Those three words sound simple enough. And yet, just about everyone who has tried to focus on understanding what’s going on inside themselves knows that the process can get tricky pretty fast. Introspection can be as infuriating as it is illuminating. On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss welcomes his dear friend and co-laborer at Capable Life Jimmy Carnes to talk about paying attention. Their conversation covers dehumanization, inner critics, and anxiety. Carnes explains what triangulation is and how Christians can notice and respond to it. He shares some of his own sources of anxiety, how he’s working on addressing them, and how building Lego has become a life-giving habit for him. Tune in for an episode that is full of tips for growing more connected to God, yourself, and others. And be sure to come back next week as Carnes and Cuss’ describe how the Enneagram, reactivity, and anxiety all fit together, and how the Enneagram can help us connect to God. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Capable Life The Enneagram “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“The reality of trauma is that it’s a perceived experience where we feel like the tools that we have, to cope with what we have experienced, have been exhausted … so those experiences and meaning made get stuck in our bodies.” So says Lisa Cuss, therapist and wife of Steve Cuss, on this episode of Being Human. Lisa and Steve talk about the ways trauma lodges inside of us, bodily techniques for processing difficult experiences, and what it means to understand God as the ultimate healer. They dig deeper into systems theory, discuss how theology and psychology can integrate, and share stories from their early marriage. Lisa explains the dangers of spiritualizing our experiences and what it may look like to invite God into them instead. They talk about times in their lives when they experienced deep grief and how they learned to accept care and compassion rather than only being the ones to share it with others. Tune in for a conversation that gets right to the heart of the matter of what it is to be—and to feel—human. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Bowen family systems theory EMDR “It Is Well With My Soul” by Horatio G. Spafford “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We may not expect leadership experts, a Grammy Award-winning music producer, and a former USAID worker to have much in common. But as Steve and Lisa Cuss reflect on the past four episodes of Being Human, they discover a trio of themes arising throughout the conversations.  Tune in as Steve and Lisa discuss words of wisdom from Uli Chi, Nathaniel Moller, Charlie Peacock, and Steve J. Cuss. They ponder the common threads of wondering what we do with fear, embracing curiosity, and exploring the intersection of playfulness and imagination. As they consider these poignant topics, Steve and Lisa offer insights into relational connection with ourselves, one another, and God. Resources mentioned in this episode include: “Walking in Wisdom with Uli Chi” The Wise Leader by Uli Chi T. S. Eliot “USAID’s Demise, Fighting Malaria, and Being the Church with Nathaniel Moller” “Down the Rabbit Hole with Charlie Peacock” Roots & Rhythm: A Life in Music by Charlie Peacock “Life Beyond Burnout with (Another) Steve Cuss” Liberated Leadership: Unmasking the Authentic Leader Within by Steve J. Cuss Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brandi Wilson was happily raising her three sons with her pastor husband—that is, until he decided to leave their marriage, their family, and the church they had invested in for years.  Close friends and leadership coaches Brandi Wilson and Lori Wilhite share how they weathered Wilson’s devastating loss together. They talk about the particular struggles of being a pastor’s wife and the heartbreak of feeling like someone else is controlling your life circumstances. They discuss managing anxiety, bearing one another’s burdens, and healing even when restoration does not occur.  They also share about the community they run together—Leading and Loving It—and why, despite all the hard things, they still love the church.  Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guests include: Brandi Wilson Lori Wilhite Leading and Loving It Friedman’s Fables by Ed Friedman The Enneagram Philippians: Chasing Happy by Lori Wilhite Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

First things first: Yes, both the host and guest on this episode are named Steve Cuss. The overlap doesn’t stop there, either. Both Steves work in the leadership space, host Steve through Capable Life and guest Steve through The GamePlan Consultancy. The two discuss guest Steve’s career in the video game industry, the importance of mentorship, and the intensity of burnout. They talk about cultivating joy among teams, balancing compassion for others with one’s own needs, and the hallmarks of servant leadership. Steve and Steve reflect on the predictable patterns and attempted solutions among professionals, the dynamics of trauma healing, and the journey from self-awareness to self-growth. Resources mentioned in this episode include: The GamePlan Consultancy Liberated Leadership: Unmasking the Authentic Leader Within by Steve J. Cuss Capable Life The Contrarian’s Guide to Leadership by Steven Sample Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How can Christians know if they are managing their relationships in a healthy way? What does it look like to treat people with mental health disorders lovingly and respectfully? When should parents of young adults speak up, and when should they let their children learn on their own? These are the types of inquiries that you, listeners of Being Human, have shared with us. Listen as the Cusses answer: What are family systems theory and internal family systems theory, and how do they relate to faith? How can Christians discern between healthy, gospel-based differentiation of self and becoming detached or cynical? How can leaders operate so that those around them can air their differences without dumping all their projections onto the leader? What does it look like to navigate settings where an individual’s mental health struggle is setting the tone for a group? Since most well-meaning laypeople are not trained therapists, what is the church’s role in dealing with mental illness? What are some words of wisdom for parents whose children will soon exit their teen years and enter young adulthood? Resources mentioned in this episode include: Bowen family systems theory Internal family systems theory  A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix by Edwin H. Friedman Borderline personality disorder (BPD) “Introducing ‘Being Human with Steve Cuss’” Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs by Steve Cuss The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs & Experience of God by Steve Cuss Capable Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So much of our experience is shaped by what gets passed down to us. Whether it's trauma, wisdom, or a signature hair color, traits and knowledge travel from generation to generation. On this episode of Being Human, Steve Cuss welcomes George Dobeler, the chaplain who first passed down the concept of family systems theory to Cuss. Doebler and Cuss talk about Doebler's learning from Murray Bowen, who founded the theory. They discuss the importance of understanding one’s family system when it comes to diffusing anxiety. Doebler and Cuss provide real-life examples of systems theory helping people become less reactive and more in touch with God, themselves, and others.  Their conversation covers chaplaincy, trauma recovery, and how theology shapes our responses to anxiety. Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Bowen family systems theory George Doebler Murray Bowen Harry Stack Sullivan Edwin H. Friedman Genogram Friedman’s Fables by Edwin H. Friedman A Failure of Nerve: Leadership in the Age of the Quick Fix by Edwin H. Friedman “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Joy Allmond was fresh out of college, she struggled to find a professional role in her field. She decided to make the most of her young, single years and became a flight attendant. The Lord used that experience to broaden her perspective—especially when she staffed one of the first flights to take to the skies after September 11, 2001. Now, Allmond is the executive editor of Christianity Today. She and Steve talk about how airport behavior often reveals deeper feelings and what it takes to manage a crisis. They talk about the recent CT redesign, new content in the magazine, and Allmond’s hopes for CT’s future. Allmond shares her thoughts on the church at its best, experiences of feeling fully loved, and taking time to hear from the Lord. Resources mentioned in this episode include: “We Can’t Worry Our Way to Peace” November/December 2024 issue of Christianity Today “CT Design, Redesign, and Re-redesign, from 1956 to Today” “Qualms and Proverbs” (CT advice column) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when we’re reactive? We disconnect from our awareness of God.  So says Steve Cuss on this episode of Being Human. With concrete advice and a tone of encouragement, Cuss illuminates the path for listeners who want to name what causes their reactivity so they can stay connected to themselves, God, and others.  Cuss explores how Jesus paves a way for us to connect to our so-called enemies. He directs listeners into prayer and peace as he shares stories of addressing anxiety and reactivity in his own life. And he helps listeners identify how reactivity shows up in their bodies so that they can actively diffuse it. Tune in for an episode that is Scripturally rich, gently guiding, and practically applicable. Resources mentioned in this episode include: Managing Leadership Anxiety  Capable Life Richard Villodas Experimental Theology with Richard Beck “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you struggle to keep your thoughts to yourself in the internet age, you’re not alone. On this episode of Being Human, host Steve Cuss admits that he struggles with a core belief that sounds something like the world needs my opinion. What are Christians to do in an era when there’s nonstop opportunity to reply, comment, and react?  On this episode, Cuss welcomes someone he looks up to in this regard: Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in San Jose, California and author of several books, including his latest, Listen, Listen, Speak. Kim and Cuss consider the implications of God as infinite and humans as finite and the immensity of eternity. They talk about Kim’s emphasis on listening, formative moments in his faith, and how he believes social media is shaping people. Their conversation covers spiritual practices that can help us remain rooted in a tumultuous era and points to the characteristics of God reflected in creatures and creation.  Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Jay Kim WestGate Church Analog Church: Why We Need Real People, Places, and Things in the Digital Age Analog Christian: Cultivating Contentment, Resilience, and Wisdom in the Digital Age by Jay Y. Kim Listen, Listen, Speak: Hearing God and Being Heard in a Noisy World by Jay Y. Kim Gravity Interstellar Neil Postman Hate Inc.: Why Today’s Media Makes Us Despise One Another by Matt Taibbi The Art Institute of Chicago Nighthawks by Edward Hopper The Weight of Glory by C.S. Lewis Bo Burnham: Inside “The Ignatian Examen” The Lord’s Prayer Andy Crouch Joshua Tree “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The first episode of Being Human With Steve Cuss, in collaboration with Christianity Today. Steve talks about the nature of reactivity, how it disconnects us, and how being a ‘well self’ is kept for human flourishing. Steve shares much of his own journey and gives a couple of tools to manage reactivity.  For more about Steve, and to download his video ‘The 4 Spaces of Anxiety’ visit www.stevecusswords.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why would a loving God send people to hell? When you hear the word apologetics, that’s likely the type of question that comes to mind. But Lisa Fields, one of the world’s most sought-after Christian apologists and the author of When Faith Disappoints, says there are often much more personal inquiries beneath those intellectual inquiries.  In this episode, Fields and Cuss talk about pastors’ kids, pain points, and perfect love. They discuss the importance of listening when it comes to challenging faith conversations and consider the ways that the church can become a place of refuge. Fields shares how the Jude 3 Project, which she founded, is helping the Black Christian community know what they believe and why. This episode covers trauma, chronic anxiety, and the healing that is only found in Jesus. Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: When Faith Disappoints: The Gap Between What We Believe and What We Experience by Lisa Fields Jude 3 Project Unspoken Juneteenth: Faith & Freedom Why I Don’t Go Leo Percer Tertullian Athanasius Click here to help new listeners find Being Human by leaving a review. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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A systems theorist walks into an organization and orders playfulness and earnestness. This isn’t just a silly take on a joke format—it’s a tested method of determining whether or not teams have what it takes to go the distance. As host Steve Cuss explains on this episode of Being Human, too much seriousness on a team tends to lead to rigidity, but playful teams tend to be able to handle ambiguity and challenges.  Could the same be true for worship? Sometimes we get too earnest and everything gets rigid. In this episode Steve looks at the power of playfulness in your people, how ot notice when things are getting too earnest and stuck and the relationship between playfulness and worship. Steve also teaches us how to use a Life Giving List to help us relax into God’s presence. You can download a life giving list template here.  Tune in for an episode that invites us to treasure our faith through playful presence with God. Click here to pre order Steve’s new book. Resources mentioned in this episode include:  Bowen family systems theory Death by Meeting: A Leadership Fable About Solving the Most Painful Problem in Business by Patrick Lencioni Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton “Letter XLVI” by Saint Bernard of Clairvaux The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God by Steve Cuss Generation to Generation: Family Process in Church and Synagogue by Edwin Friedman “Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry Theme song by Dan Phelps Original Music by Andy Gullahorn Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris Graphic Design: Amy Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Scott Erickson is a touring painter, performance speaker, and creative curate who mixes autobiography, mythology, and aesthetics to create art and moments that speak to our deepest experiences. Learn more at https://www.scottericksonart.com/   For more information about group coaching or custom webinars for your organization, email chriswillis@dc2.me   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Andrew Arndt is the Lead Pastor of New Life East (one of seven congregations of New Life Church in Colorado Springs), where he also hosts the Essential Church podcast, a weekly conversation designed to strengthen the thinking of church and ministry leaders. Prior to joining New Life’s team, he served as Lead Pastor of Bloom Church: a neo-monastic, charismatic, liturgical, justice-driven network of house churches in Denver. He received his MDiv from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and has written for Missio Alliance, Patheos, The Other Journal, and Mere Orthodoxy. He lives in the Springs with his wife Mandi and their four kids. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Nemecek is a pastor, coach at www.PIRministries.org and author of the MUST READ new book The Weary Leader’s Guide To Burnout.    Sean chats his own harrowing journey into and out of burnout. He helps us measure our healthy relationships and also gives us ways to implement proper rhythms that increase our chance of being well.    Leaders, this is such an important conversation. You are worth pouring into. Please do not listen and move on. You can get help and you are worth the money and time to do so. Contact Sean if you’d like him or his team to visit your church board to have this conversation.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Part 7 in this series. Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.   Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.   Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.    If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Rt. Rev. Dr. Todd Hunter is the founding bishop of The Diocese of Churches for the Sake of Others, founder of The Telos Collective, and founder of the Center for Formation, Justice and Peace. He is past president of Alpha USA, former national director for the Association of Vineyard Churches, and retired founding pastor of Holy Trinity Anglican Church in Costa Mesa, CA. He is the author of Christianity Beyond Belief: Following Jesus for the Sake of Others, Giving Church Another Chance, The Outsider Interviews, The Accidental Anglican, Our Favorite Sins, Our Character at Work and Deep Peace. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this brief episode, Steve lights a candle (water mint and eucalyptus), asks some questions that God asks and gives info about the Calm, Aware, Present Journal that is live on kickstarter for May 2022.    If you've not had a chance to order a journal, would you do so now?   Would you also consider posting about it on your socials and sharing the link with anyone who might benefit? Kickstarter is here.   Thanks! Back next week with Part 2 of Steve's chat with Ruth Haley Barton.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Part 5 in this series. Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.   Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.   Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.    If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Deborah Smith Pegues is a CPA/MBA, certified John Maxwell Leadership Coach and Speaker, certified behavior consultant, Bible teacher, and international speaker. She has written 17 transformational books, including the bestselling 30 Days to Taming Your Tongue (over one million sold worldwide) and The One-Minute Money Mentor for Women. She and her husband, Darnell, have been married for more than 40 years. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tod Bolsinger, MDiv, PhD, is the Executive Director of the De Pree Center Church Leadership Initiative, a Senior Fellow of the De Pree Center for Leadership, and Associate Professor of Leadership Formation at Fuller Theological Seminary. Tod was the founder of the Fuller Leadership Platform, an innovative approach to online formation and leadership development and served as a Vice President of Fuller Seminary for six years.    He is the author of four books, including the Outreach Magazine Resource of the Year in pastoral leadership, Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory, Leadership for a Time of Pandemic: Practicing Resilience and Tempered Resilience: How Leaders are Formed in the Crucible of Change. He served as a pastor for 27 years. Bolsinger speaks, consults and is an executive coach for corporate, non-profit, educational and church organizations in transformational leadership. His blogs and other resources can be found at depree.org/church.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve Cuss takes an intriguing look at the show Ted Lasso through the Systems Theory lens. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Managing Leadership Anxiety turns five!   This episode has four parts: 1) Why Steve launched MLA, early concepts and lessons.  2) Why Systems Theory, other practitioners, Steve's unique contribution to the field.  3) What Steve has learned from doing 'public' work.  4) Exciting announcements and updates for 2024.    The free 'Four Spaces Of Anxiety' video. (Note, Steve may have said 'you can download' this video on the pod, but in fact you can watch it online.)    Seminary Now Custom MLA Page.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve continues his 3 part series on Differentiation this week by looking at Enmeshment. What does it feel like to be enmeshed? What is it like for those we rabidly try to help? How can we move from enmeshed to balanced and well?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lisa, 'The Friendly Neighborhood Therapist' joins Steve to chat about power dynamics, manipulation vs gas lighting.   Steve and Lisa also talk about upcoming intensives and when you know you could benefit from one. To learn more about intensives, purchase a journal or join the self paced learning community, visit www.capablelife.me  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve chats with Glenn and Holly Packiam about leadership transition, establishing trust as a new leader, the challenge a leader’s spouse faces in ‘second hand criticism’ and their recent book and upcoming journal, Intentional Year and the soon to be released Intentional Year Journal.    Glenn is an essential voice in these times. He brings a rare combination of compassion, academia, creativity, and thoughtfulness to his role as Lead Pastor at Rockharbor Church and so many of us have benefited from his voice. Holly is a pastor with a Master in Counseling degree and has built two decades of faithful leadership and ministry in the local church.    Learn more or purchase tickets for Unlocking Faith Conference.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Lisa and Steve dive into the 4 styles of attachment, we help you locate your own attachment styles and then we talk through some characters from the show and their attachment. We also dig into differentiation, how some people mis use it and where we see characters differentiating well.    Unlocking Faith is coming! We'll help you locate and unlock beliefs that block your enjoyment of God. Oct 2-4 in person in CO, or live stream or watch on demand. Early Bird pricing ends June 30 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve LOVED interviewing William Vanderbloemen on this week's episode. He brought so much needed wisdom for leaders today.   William is the founder of Vanderbloemen Search Group. Since their founding they have placed 2500+ employees into churches and non profits and they have done 30,000 job interviews.  It is out of this unique experience as well as being a former pastor that William writes his latest book, Be The Unicorn: 12 Data-Driven Habits that Separate the Best Leaders from the Rest.   William brings a unique combination of deep understanding of local church and theology with the very best knowledge and practices of professional executive search.   Please support our wonderful sponsors:    To make a difference in the lives of aged out foster youth visit Dream Makers Project   Visit Seminary Now to engage an amazing library of courses for your faith. Use CUSS30 coupon code for 30% off.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today, Jimmy Carnes joins Steve to continue their four part series, 'the four dynamics that infect every relationship.' They look at 'stuck' or predictable, recurring patterns. First patterns in ourselves, then in our relationships and teams. Tips to notice them and diffuse them and examples from Steve and Jimmy's own anxious lives.    Thanks to Seminary Now for sponsoring this episode. Click the link and put CUSS30 in the coupon slot for 30% off access to the Managing Anxiety videos and so much more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

IAN MORGAN CRON is a bestselling author, psychotherapist, Enneagram teacher, Episcopal priest, and the host of the wildly popular podcast, "Typology," which has over 17 million downloads. His books include the Enneagram primer The Road Back to You, the novel Chasing Francis, the spiritual memoir Jesus, My Father, the CIA, and Me, and The Story of You: An Enneagram Journey to Becoming Your True Self (December 2021). Known for his transparency, humor, and depth of insight into the inner workings of the human heart and mind, Ian uses the Enneagram personality typing system as a tool to help people cultivate self-awareness and find happiness. Ian is a popular speaker and business consultant for organizations like The Discovery Channel, Michael Hyatt Company, Warner Brothers Music, and Chick-Fil-A. In addition, he shares his expertise on popular podcasts such as "The Minimalists," "The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast," Jon Acuff's "All It Takes is a Goal," Jen Hatmaker's "For the Love,” and many others. He and his wife, Anne, have three children and live in Nashville, Tennessee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Howard and Holly Satterthwaite have recently written a book Spiritual Detox, which invites you to rethink the way you see confession and discover greater joy through this spiritual discipline. They have been married for eleven years and have two children. Howard is the lead pastor of the world-famous and historic www.westminsterchapel.org.uk in London. Before that he worked as a barrister as well as engaging in human rights work in Kenya and the USA. Holly, having been a learning and development adviser in an international law firm in the city of London, is now a qualified career coach, www.thehopecoach.uk. She is also involved in the wider leadership of Westminster Chapel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Glenn Packiam is quite simply one of my favorite pastors and thinkers. Being an academic and a musician, a charismatic and an Anglican, as well as an immigrant gives Glenn a deep well of wisdom. Glenn is also one of the finest communicators I know. Profound, succinct, shepherding.    That is probably why I keep hosting Glenn on this show. I just want to learn more and more from this gem of a human.  Glenn’s latest book is the Resilient Pastor and he is also host of the podcast of the same name. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I often get asked about Systems Theory books to read. In this episode, I list a number of books and also offer critique or recommendation AND I also pull out of some of the books a key tool you can use in your life. So you can listen to this book review episode, not read any books and still benefit!    Books by: founders of the theory (who are all white men), women, faith based. I also talk about the challenge of Systems being such a western and individualistic theory and some pioneering work in non western or non white contexts.      Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve starts a series on Differentiation, first focusing on detachment. What it is, what it feels like to the other and tips to move toward the other when you want to detach.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rusty George is the Lead Pastor at Real Life Church in Southern California; a multi-site church with campuses in Canyon Country, Lancaster, Simi Valley, Valencia and a large online community. Rusty is a global speaker, leader and teacher focusing his message on helping people find and follow Jesus. Rusty has also written several books and writes regularly on his site. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve Cuss flies solo for this episode on becoming more attentive to God, the importance of breathing, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Steve and Jimmy look beyond problems to 'attempted solutions.' Jay Haley famously said, 'I do not address problems, I address attempted solutions.' So often we get stuck in 'more of the same' and 'try harder' because we do not see our own complicity in the situation. Steve and Jimmy look at how we get stuck and then how to get unstuck when faced with recurring problems.    Thanks to Seminary Now for sponsoring this episode. To receive 30% off access, visit the MLA Seminary Now page and use coupon code CUSS30 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

** For a journal, video series or to join our Capable Life self paced learning journey, visit www.capablelife.me ** Murray Bowen, founder of Family Systems Theory developed 8 concepts to guide and explain how we think and act. Understanding and putting into practice these 8 concepts can really revolutionize your relationship with people and with anxiety. This episode is part 2 of 2 as we cover the last 4 of the 8 concepts. Hosted by Steve Cuss and Brendan Reed. (Listen to Part 1 here.) **This episode is a re run of one of our most downloaded episodes.** ***Apologies for episode 150 which was supposed to be this recording, but we mixed up the file, so we have deleted episode 150 and this episode is the correct file.*** Links referenced in both episodes: MLA Episode featuring Rich Villodas MLA Episode featuring Jim Herrington MLA Episode featuring Trisha Taylor Emotionally Healthy Leadership The Leader’s Journey 8 Concepts of Bowen Theory book Generation to Generation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sometimes it is easier to SEE Differentiation before you TRY it! We frequently recommend first watching it, then noticing a time you're anxious and debriefing after and then trying it for yourself.    To that end, in this episode Steve spends time clarifying what differentiation is and then shows how it shows up in: Hidden Figures, The Crown, The Princess Bride, Toy Story and Spotlight.    Coming in Oct 2-4, Unlocking Faith conference. Early bird pricing ends June 30th. Join us in person, live stream or watch later on demand Tickets and more info here.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jack Shitama is an author, teacher, speaker and coach. His family systems approach to leadership helps congregational and nonprofit leaders achieve their best spiritually, physically and professionally.  Jack is the author of Anxious Church, Anxious People: How to Lead Change in an Age of Anxiety and One New Habit, One Big Goal: Change Your Life in 10 Weeks. Jack and his wife of 37 years, Jodi, have four children. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clare Steele is the CEO of Compassion Australia and has worked for over a decade in Christian ministry, following a successful business career. As both a professional and a mother, she has a passion for helping vulnerable children living in poverty and encouraging families in their walk with Christ. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

"If we want to be well as human beings, we need to become aware of what's bubbling the surface in us." In this new episode, Steve Cuss is on the mic by himself giving us some basic tools for managing leadership anxiety.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lisa Nichols is the CEO and co-founder of Technology Partners (TPI), a Women-Business Enterprise and provider of premier IT staffing, solutions, and IT leadership development. Named among the Most Influential Business Women (by St. Louis Business Journal) this year, Lisa’s influence has been recognized by her peers and greater St. Louis community. Lisa and her husband, Greg, founded Technology Partners in 1994 driven by their passion to revolutionize the staffing industry with their transparent business model. They co-lead the business today. Greg and Lisa have made it their priority from day one to create mutual wins for their employees, clients, and the communities in which Technology Partners operates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julie Mavis is the Founder of Dream Makers Project, an organization dedicated to helping youth as they age out of foster care. Because of Dream Makers, these kids do not have to face the world, their future and their decisions alone.    Julie is joined in this interview by Annika Marek-Barta, herself a former foster youth and on the Dream Makers team.    In this powerful interview, we get into Julie's journey with foster care and why she launched Dream Makers. Annika also shares about her journey through foster care, the meaning she made of her experiences.    This was an incredible conversation with two power leaders.      Please support our wonderful sponsors:    To make a difference in the lives of aged out foster youth visit Dream Makers Project   Visit Seminary Now to engage an amazing library of courses for your faith. Use CUSS30 coupon code for 30% off.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jimmy Mellado is president of Compassion International and is simply one of the finest leaders I’ve met. Compassion International is of course known for its incredible child sponsorship program, but it is equally a champion of church leaders around the world, including leaders in western countries. In this interview, Jimmy shared about his own journey and how his personal narrative profoundly impacts his leadership. Compassion International has churches around the world waiting for partnerships to help serve kids and communities. Your church can learn more here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Criticism is a given for leaders, but that doesn't make it less painful. Criticism comes in all forms, some from inside us, like the inner critic, and some come at us. This is the second of a 3-part series where Steve gets personal and talks about the various forms of criticism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Friendly Neighborhood Therapist joins Steve on this annual wrap up. They chat about lessons learned this year, giving yourself the gift of wellbeing in 2024 and what is coming down the pike for next year. Plus, Steve shares his favorite advent poem.     We also announce the podcast's new name. NOTE: next year our podcast name is changing as we move onto a new partnership, but you don't need to do anything - you can access it through your existing podcast subscription.     Click here to learn more about our intensives   To make a difference in the lives of aged out foster youth visit Dream Makers Project   Visit Seminary Now to engage an amazing library of courses for your faith. Use CUSS30 coupon code for 30% off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr Kathleen Smith wrote one of my all time favorite Systems books called Everything Isn't Terrible. The book is brilliant, clear and witty and a great reflection of Kathleen herself.    Kathleen is a therapist in the DC area and her book gets us right into her therapy room as we follow along with her clients' journeys of healing and wellbeing. Kathleen also happens to write my favorite newsletter which you can access here.    In this episode, we dig into Bowen theory, the world of dating and why taking responsibility for yourself can be so helpful and also an occasional drag/   Thanks to Seminary Now for sponsoring this episode. To receive 30% off access, visit the MLA Seminary Now page and use coupon code CUSS30 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gina Cherion emailed me recently asking about Systems Theory in non white spaces, specifically how differentiation works in Asian culture. Gina is a pastor of Indian descent and when I received her email I knew I wanted to interview her and Marvin Williams who I have gotten to know through my Systems work and through Capable Life. Marvin is doing doctoral work at Fuller Seminary on Systems Theory, specifically on black presence in majority culture. I LOVED this conversation with these two pastors who led us on a great journey of managing expectations, carrying the weight of culture, shape shifting and more.   Gina Cherian has served the church in various roles, including serving as a campus pastor of a large multisite church and her current role as a pastor at Hope Community Church on the North Shore of Chicago. Gina longs to see every person discover the life-changing grace of Christ that has transformed her life. As an Indian-American woman, she is passionate about advancing the beautiful multiethnic community described in Revelation to our reality today. Gina is a devoted fan of all things related to her hometown of Chicago: sports, food, and even the weather. She resides in the Chicagoland area with her husband and two kids. Marvin Williams has served as the Lead Pastor of Trinity Church in Lansing, Michigan since February 2010. He is a graduate of Bishop College in Dallas, Texas, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, and Grand Rapids Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He and his wife Tonia have three children.  In addition to his ministry at Trinity Church, he was a regular devotional author for Our Daily Bread and Our Daily Journey and was one of the Bible Teachers for Sports.org. He is also a contributor to Scott Williams’ best-selling book, Church Diversity. He regularly speaks at conferences, retreats, chapels and churches around the country. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We all know what to believe and what our brain believes, but what does our anxiety believe and what does ori body believe? Sometimes the gap between our belief about God and our experience of God comes down to our functional theology.  On this episode, Steve is joined by Lisa Cuss and also Capable Life trainer, Renae Loring. They dig into Renae's journey of anxiety management, how to locate your functional beliefs and how to begin to dislodge them.  The Unlocking Faith conference is fast approaching - Oct 2-4. You can join us in Colorado or stream online. If your schedule doesn't line up, a streaming ticket also gives you access on demand to all sessions after we're done. If you'd like to get unstuck in your faith, this conference is designed to give you keys to unlock what is blocking your experience of God's love, presence and freedom.    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Alvin Sanders is President of World Impact and author of Uncommon Church as well as a pastor and urban leader. Dr Sanders talked systemic racism, the distraction of CRT and why a healthy, holistic local church is the best asset for an urban neighborhood. Of course, Dr Sanders gleefully submitted to the gauntlet of anxiety questions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ruth Haley Barton (Doctor of Divinity, Northern Seminary) is founding president/CEO of the Transforming Center, a ministry dedicated to strengthening the souls of pastors and Christian leaders, and the congregations and organizations they serve. For over twenty years, she has ministered to the soul care needs of pastors and leaders based upon her conviction that the best thing we bring to leadership is our own transforming selves.   Ruth is the author of numerous books and resources on the spiritual life, including Invitation to Solitude and Silence, Sacred Rhythms, Longing for More, Pursuing God's Will Together, and Life Together in Christ. She continues to share her thoughts and perspectives on soulful leadership through an online resource called eReflections as well as a podcast entitled Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership.   Ruth’s newest book, Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest, will focus on rest and the need for leaders to take a Sabbath.    If you are interested in learning more about Ruth's work with the Transforming Center please visit their website. You are invited to join their next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices