About Art (Heidi Zuckerman)

Mary Weatherford is one of the leading painters of her generation, exploring and expanding the legacies of American abstraction. Over the last three decades, Weatherford has developed a rich and diverse painting practice: from early target paintings in the 1990s based on operatic heroines, to expansive, gestural canvases overlaid with neon glass-tubing that have been a presence in her work since 2012. With a physically embodied approach to painting, Weatherford explores abstraction as both a formal language and a poetic, personal mode of engagement with the world.
She and Zuckerman discuss making paintings for other people, failure and not showing for 5 years, paintings of nothing, how she invented the neon, the physicality of her process, pursuing pink, story telling, and the continuum of art history.

Stephen Reily is the Founding Director of Remuseum, an independent research project housed at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art, which seeks to promote innovation among art museums across the United States. An attorney and entrepreneur, Reily served as Director of the Speed Art Museum in Louisville, Kentucky from 2017 to 2021 where he invigorated a newly renovated museum with a mission of public service and dramatically increased both contributed revenue and accessibility. Under his leadership, the Speed introduced a new “Speed for All” free family membership for anyone for whom cost is a barrier to entry; initiated its first paid internships; issued its first annual Racial Equity Report, specifying the museum’s standing and commitments on staffing, acquisitions and exhibitions, programming, and more. During his tenure, the Speed worked with Guest Curator Allison Glenn and Community Engagement Strategist Toya Northington to present the exhibition “Promise, Witness, Remembrance,” cited as a model of relevance and innovation as the museum responded in real time to the killing of Breonna Taylor and a year of protests in Louisville. A longtime supporter of museums and the arts, Reily currently serves on the Boards of the Creative Capital Foundation and the American Federation of Arts.
He and Zuckerman discuss museums as legacy businesses, the unsustainable nature of the current economic model of museums, innovation, the Director’s role, artists and what we can learn from them, new ideas and initiatives, what’s working, and of course why art matters!

Writer and curator Ebony L. Haynes, originally from Canada, is a Director at David Zwirner gallery in New York and runs 52 Walker. Haynes was a recent visiting curator and critic for Yale School of Fine art in the Painting and Printmaking class of 2021. She also runs an online “school” where free professional practice classes are offered to Black students, world wide.  Prior to joining David Zwirner, Haynes served as director at Martos Gallery and Shoot The Lobster NY & LA, and was responsible for many critically acclaimed exhibitions including Invisible Man, epigenetic, EBSPLOITATION, and The Worst Witch. Haynes sits on the boards of the New Art Dealers Association, and Cassandra Press.
She and Zuckerman discuss sliding door moments, the pitching of 52 Walker, good versus great curating, the importance of a true team, approaching studio visits, research based practices, writing by hand, and what she hopes for!

Lucy Bull makes visceral paintings that appeal directly to the senses. Synesthetic fields of shape and color, the paintings are described in sonic, tactile, or even emotional terms that evade rational logic and are unique to each viewer. Worlds take shape across their varied surfaces and just as quickly fall away again; similarly, just when the act of looking generates optical overload or disruptive dissonance, Bull’s accumulations of marks reveal discernible traces of planning and hard-fought negotiations with her materials, leading the viewer back toward the concrete realities of pigment, medium, and surface. As she engages in these open-ended painterly experiments, Bull makes room for both precision and abandon, inviting viewers to participate in ever-unfinished processes of creation that she choreographs but never fully controls. Born in New York in 1990, Bull now lives and works in Los Angeles.

She and I discuss planning to be late, being seated next to each other at a gallery dinner, having your preferences taken into consideration, care and curiosity, talking AT artwork, what photography misses, short circuiting someone else’s perspective, the speed of looking at art, being a graveyard shift worker, stolen time, loving doing what you love, what is foolish, the importance of fun and experimentation, a tabletop exhibition space, weird intimacy, hermit crabs, easing into working, wandering through paintings, and transferring the experiencing of making them!

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Bjorn Geldhof is Director of the PinchukArtCentre. Founded in September 2006 by businessman and philanthropist Victor Pinchuk, the PinchukArtCentre is an international hub for contemporary art committed to developing the Ukrainian art scene while generating critical public discourse as a whole. Since war broke out in Ukraine in 2022 they have held important exhibitions including When Faith Moves Mountains, a major group exhibition with over 45 artists opening 143 days after the beginning of the full-scale Russian invasion, focused on Ukraine as a country open to the world and celebrating its deep roots and relation to Europe. The PinchukArtCentre invests in the next generation though the Future Generation Art Prize and the PinchukArtCentre Prize, awards for young contemporary artists aged 35 or younger. Their collateral Venice Biennale project this year, Daring to Dream in a World of Constant Fear, will be held at the Palazzo Contarini Polignac from April 20th until August 1st, 2024. The exhibition weaves a tapestry of stories and dreams gathered from artists affected by war globally.
He and Zuckerman discuss sharing risk, how art saves lives, art not as leisure but also essential part of living life, cultivating a next generation of artists, changing the way people think, the urgency of making art, offering the opportunity to speak, think and feel, knowing that today can be your last day, the urgency of having great thoughts, the role of hope, and the opportunity to dare to dream!

Mike Kaplan is President and CEO of Aspen Skiing Company for the last 17 years. He recently announced that after 30 years with the company, that the 2022-23 winter season would be his last at the helm of the organization. Together he and Zuckerman in a completely unprecedented, brave, and innovative way collaborated to place art by world renowned contemporary artists on all lift ticket products and to integrate art into the company in unexpected places and ways.

He and Zuckerman discuss powder days, flow state, focusing on paths to success, being taken out of your place, noble pursuits, not just skiing, a life worth living, family, and the beauty in the ordinary!

Tony Marsh is an artist and educator who earned his BFA in Ceramic Art at California State University Long Beach in 1978. After graduating he spent three years in Mashiko, Japan at the workshop of Tatsuzo Shimaoka. Marsh completed his MFA at Alfred University in 1988. He teaches in the Ceramic Arts Program at California State University Long Beach where he was the Program Chair for over 20 years. He is currently the first Director of the Center for Contemporary Ceramics at CSULB. He was named a United States Artists Fellow in 2018, an honor awarded to outstanding contributors in American Arts and Letters. His work is the collections of museums across the globe including the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NY; Museum of Art and Design, NY; Los Angeles County Museum of Art; Oakland Museum of Art; Gardiner Museum of Art, Toronto; Museum of Fine Arts, Houston; San Jose Museum of Art; ASU Art Museum Tempe; the Foshan Museum of Contemporary Art, Foshan, China; and the Orange County Museum of Art.
He and Zuckerman discuss being a teacher, making art, making a real impact, doing things with your whole heart, the influence of his mom, living and training in Japan, things that are encoded with success, how simple things are hard to make, marriage vessels, fertility vessels, and appropriate shapes, suspending time, magic, failure, craft, notions of taste, and taking no out of your vocabulary!

Yves Béhar, Founder and Principal Designer of fuseproject, is a designer, educator, and entrepreneur who believes that integrated product, brand, and experience design are the cornerstones of any business. He is also the two-time recipient of the INDEX Award, making him the only designer to have received the prestigious award twice. Yves is an industry veteran at the forefront of entrepreneurial venture design, co-founding August, FORME Life, and Canopy. He and Zuckerman discuss opportunity, how we can change the way we live, the importance of meaning in life, the generosity and humanity of design, creating memorable moments, and his love of dreamers!

References:

Fuseproject - https://www.fuseproject.com/

One Laptop Per Child - https://fuseproject.com/work/olpc-xo-laptop

See Better To Learn Better - https://www.fuseproject.com/blog/see-better-to-learn-better-2

Mary O’Malley - “What’s in the way is the way”

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Teresita Fernández’s work is characterized by an interest in self-reflection and conceptual wayfinding. Her immersive, monumental works are inspired by a rethinking of landscape and place, as well as by diverse historical and cultural references. Often drawing inspiration from the natural world, Fernández’s practice unravels the intimacies between matter, places, and human beings. Her work questions power, visibility, and erasure in ways that prompt reflective engagement for individual viewers.

Fernández is a 2005 MacArthur Foundation Fellow, the recipient of numerous awards, and was appointed by President Obama as the first Latina to serve on the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts, a 100-year-old federal panel that advises the president and Congress on national matters of design and aesthetics.

She and I discuss not being a specialist, emptiness, sustainability, what lives inside of us, landscapes, vulnerability, indigenous thought, silence, not needing to hide the story, trusting your instincts, mothering, and seeing yourself in something that is not you.

Bharti Kher’s art gives form to quotidian life and its daily rituals in a way that reassesses and transforms their meaning to yield an air of magical realism. Living and working in Delhi, India and born and raised in the U.K., her use of found objects is informed by her own position as an artist located between geographic and social milieus. Her way of working is exploratory: surveying, looking, collecting, and transforming. Her chimeras, mythical monsters, and allegorical tales combine references that are at once topical and traditional, political and poetic.

She and I discuss geeky science stuff, markers of time, the beauty of imperfection, freeing things from themselves, the interest of difference, neither/nor, following intuition, how to see, the intrinsic intelligence of our bodies, Joseph Campbell, being a teacher to yourself, two things that are actually one thing, motherhood, and the most profound parts of ourselves!

References:

Joseph Campbell - https://www.jcf.org (referenced The Hero's Journey”, “The Hero With a Thousand Faces,” and his quote “The cave you fear to enter holds the treasures you seek”)

Kazimir Malevich - https://www.kazimir-malevich.org

Sol LeWitt - https://massmoca.org/sol-lewitt/

Constantin Brancusi - https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/constantin-brancusi

Giuseppe Arcimboldo - https://www.giuseppe-arcimboldo.org

William Blake - https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/william-blake-39 (referenced “Dante’s Divine Comedy”)

John Berger - https://lannan.org/bios/john-berger

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Robert King “Bob” Wittman is a highly decorated former Federal Bureau of Investigation special agent who was assigned to the Philadelphia Field Division from 1988 to 2008. Having trained in art, antiques, jewelry and gem identification, Wittman served as the FBI's "top investigator and coordinator in cases involving art theft and art fraud". During his 20 years with the FBI, Wittman helped recover more than $300 million worth of stolen art and cultural property, resulting in the prosecution and conviction of numerous individuals. In 2005, he was instrumental in the creation of the FBI's rapid deployment Art Crime Team (ACT). He also was instrumental in the recovery of colonial North Carolina's copy of the original Bill of Rights in 2005, that had been stolen by a Union soldier in 1865. Wittman represented the United States around the world, conducting investigations and instructing international police and museums in recovery and security techniques. After 20 years with the FBI working against art theft, he worked as an art security consultant for the private sector. In 2010, Wittman published his memoir Priceless which recounts his career and activities while working for the FBI as an undercover agent.

He and Zuckerman spoke about what he thought would be fun about joining the FBI, fake Basquiats, being scared, provenance and good title, the Dr. No theory, 89% of museum theft being an inside job, protecting cultural property, doing deals in the art market, and why museums and monuments get destroyed!

Allison M. Glenn is a curator and writer deeply invested in working closely with artists to develop ideas, artworks, and exhibitions that respond to and transform our understanding of the world. She is an Associate Curator, Contemporary Art at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art, and she curates exhibitions across the contemporary program at Crystal Bridges and the Momentary, a new contemporary art space and satellite of Crystal Bridges. Prior to working at Crystal Bridges, she was the Manager of Publications and Curatorial Associate for Prospect New Orleans’ international art triennial Prospect.4.

She and Zuckerman discussed regionalism, the center becoming the periphery, cultural exchange, being stewards of the institutions we work for, ambitious projects, identifying key stakeholders first, Amy Sherald’s portrait of Breonna Taylor, the limits to what exhibitions can do, not yet having actually seen things we think we have, not knowing what we think we know, roles and responsibilities, and her curation of Promise Witness Remembrance at the Speed Museum, permission, accessible freedoms, and how people can act in museums!

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In Episode 50 of  “Conversations About Art,” Heidi Zuckerman introduces excerpts from 14 episodes featured in the second half of 2020. We hear the words and wisdom of Sam Falls, Jen Guidi,  Bharti Kher, Christopher Bedford, Guerilla Girls, Noah Horowitz, Michelle Maccarone, Christian Lutien, Daniel Arsham, Sean Green, Ricky Gates, Patrick Steel and Pete McBride! As stated previously, in what was indisputably the wildest, most unexpected, isolating, surprising, and also strangely hopeful year, Zuckerman expresses her profound gratitude for the time, generous conversation, and community this podcast and these conversations have afforded and created! This is part two of a two part extended episode of “Conversations About Art.”

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Pritzker Prize-winning American architect and educator Thom Mayne is the founder of Morphosis, an innovative architecture, urbanism, and design collective. Named after the Greek term for ‘to form or be in formation’ – Morphosis has gained recognition for its sustainable designs. Notable projects include the Perot Museum of Nature and Science in Dallas, Emerson College in Los Angeles, New York’s Cooper Union building, and the Orange County Museum of Art. Alongside his architectural practice, Mayne has been actively involved in education and academia, as he played a pivotal role in establishing the Southern California Institute of Architecture.
He and Zuckerman spoke about how LA is a midwestern city, the museum as a cultured event, community making, formed architecture, American architects, having a voice, being what you are instead of what you do, license to dream, authentically seeing yourself, being a humanist, and the profound and enduring power of artistic activity!

Shlomi Rabi is a twenty-year veteran of the auction world.  Most recently he held the position of Vice President, Head of the Photographs Department for the Americas at Christie’s, where he oversaw a record number of single-owner auctions.  During his tenure in the auction industry, Shlomi closely worked on multiple institutional collaborations, which included the Museum of Modern Art, New York; Art Institute of Chicago; Aperture Foundation, and Elton John AIDS Foundation. As an immigrant from the Middle East raised in Central America, Shlomi’s passion for the arts is informed by his desire to champion and empower creatives whose vision and voices are too often marginalized.

He and Zuckerman discuss decompressing, magical places, recommendations, a vision of safe spaces, being comfortable in your own head, meditation, doing pull-ups, doing something for yourself in complete silence, mental intimacy, the privilege of making plans, manifesting emotions, patience, building a green auction house, being motivated to change the cannon, empowering artists individually, and scholarships for art history students!

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In this inaugural episode, Heidi speaks with long-time friend Lance Armstrong about his support of, and friendships with, a wide variety of contemporary artists from Raymond Pettibone to Ed Ruscha, and how art made his life better during times of widely-publicized, great duress. They also talk about humor, decision-making, and the best idea that Lance ever had!

Jennifer McCabe is a distinguished curator, educator, and museum director with over 20 years of expertise in leading cultural institutions, fostering innovative curatorial practices, and supporting artists. Currently, she serves as the Director and Chief Curator of the SFO Museum, the only airport-based institution accredited by the American Alliance of Museums. Under her leadership, the museum operates more than 25 exhibition sites throughout the San Francisco International Airport, engaging millions of visitors annually. Its acclaimed Aviation Museum and Library houses a permanent collection of over 160,000 artifacts documenting the history of commercial aviation.

Previously, McCabe served as Director and Chief Curator of the Scottsdale Museum of Contemporary Art, where her eight-year tenure garnered significant acclaim, including consecutive "Best Museum" awards from the Phoenix New Times. Her curatorial vision and writing delve into themes of intersectional feminisms, site-responsive art commissions, and groundbreaking artist interventions.

She and Zuckerman discuss SFO, what one can do with all the time and headspace one had spent fundraising in a museum, bypass doors, how what she learns can be applied in other organizations, shaking up societal associations of craft, expanded perspectives, having an audience of millions, moments of pause, a journey through space, joy, incorporating breaks from art talk, being forever changed by parenting, seeing things through someone else’s lens, daily practice, the pause, and being your own support system!

Magnus Resch is an art-market economist, serial entrepreneur, and bestselling author, as well as a Professor for art management, lecturing at Yale University. He holds a Ph.D. in economics and studied at Harvard, the LSE and University of St. Gallen. His career has been portrayed in a Harvard Business School case study and in various articles with the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Vanity Fair, and the Financial Times.

He and I discuss the difference between the art world and the art market, why artists should spend less time in their studios, finding a niche, how to make money, talent not mattering, the subjectiveness of art, collecting art at the age of 16, 100 secrets of the art world, that 90% of all artwork costs less than $10,000, and at what value art can be considered an investment!

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Jerry Garcia is a principal at Olson Kundig since 2006. Throughout his tenure in Seattle, he has been an active instigator in the dialogue between architecture, art and the community at large. Working across a broad range of project types and scales, from 200 square-foot cabins on wheels to high-rises around the world, Jerry’s work has received numerous design awards and appeared in publications such as Architecture, Architectural Record, and Art+Auction. For Jerry, “Good architecture rewards inspection – the deeper you look, the more you see.”

He and Zuckerman discuss work being fun, the reach out, professional rebellion, not wanting to be complacent, being better, what we carry, getting to pick everyone around you, hiring people who scare you, knowing what to do, bird watching, knowing where to look, art that is barely art, not being complacent, and living different a life!

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Sam Falls is contemporary American artist whose boundary-defying work applies artistic processes to natural phenomena. The resulting paintings, prints, sculptures, and videos, often insert organic structures into art and man-made objects into nature. "We change the work by being present, and the work changes us by being present,” the artist has said. “We are breaking down and being built up, just like every moment." Falls works intimately with the fundamentals of nature and the transience of life that art best addresses.

He and I discussed the intimacy of nature, the best part of making art, the ambiguous space between the inside and outside worlds, what artists he looks to for solace (we love the same ones!), his rain works, place, extended time, and the hand of nature, the challenges of choosing, anxiety, the parental bond, listening to music on repeat, and what helps with the darkness.

References:

Julia Kristeva - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Julia-Kristeva

Collier Schorr - https://www.303gallery.com/artists/collier-schorr

Wolfgang Tillmans - https://tillmans.co.uk

Bruce Nauman - https://www.moma.org/artists/4243 (referenced his work that was digging a hole by his ranch “Setting a Good Corner”)

Gillian Welch “Back in Time” https://music.apple.com/us/album/wayside-back-in-time/79759147?i=79759085

Salem “Capulets” https://music.apple.com/us/album/capulets/1535710389?i=1535710390

Salem “Not Much of a Life” https://music.apple.com/us/album/not-much-of-a-life/1535710389?i=1535710400

Stevie Nicks Wild Heart backstage https://youtu.be/ikMahqHWQXY

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With Episode 106 we have changed a few things up! First, our name, we have dropped the word conversations from the podcast title.  The podcast is “About Art” so that’s what we’re now calling it! Simple and elegant.

Second, we added a new photo! The previous one was when OCMA/Orange County Museum of Art was under construction, the new one is from the opening press conference.

And, third, this is our first “Ask Me Anything” episode. Thank you so much to everyone who sent in your questions, we were overwhelmed by the number! We have enough to do many more episodes of this type if you’re interested! Please let us know in the comments below or via DM on Instagram.

Some of the audience questions Heidi answers in this AMA episode include sacrifices she has made, critique she has received, the art where she sleeps, art that makes me laugh, and that causes a lump in her throat, her creative practice, what keeps her going, and if she ever forgets why art matters?

Allison Berg, Founder and Executive Director of the A&L Berg Foundation, is a lawyer turned arts and culture writer, philanthropist, museum trustee, art collector,  producer  and more. Her work is informed by the desire to ensure everyone has access to equity in career pathways along with inclusive platforms for their narratives. Allison is LALA Magazine’s former executive editor and has contributed to Design LA, Hamptons, Gotham, Cultured and C magazines. She was a Producer of “The Art of Making It” documentary and is a Trustee with the Boards of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA,) American Friends of the Israel Museum (AFIM), The Mistake Room (TMR) and The Los Angeles Football Club Foundation.
She and Zuckerman discuss getting to know art over time, being present, securing equity for under represented populations, why she serves as a museum trustee, making art accessible, connecting art and athletes, and how art creates understanding!

New York-based writer LJ Rader is the person behind the social media account ArtButMakeItSports, which features images of sports compared to fine art. He works full-time in the sports world as a Director of Product at a sports data and technology company.
He and Zuckerman discuss his curatorial choices, unique moments, a sports related lens, sports equality, feedback he gets, his favorite artists, his image filing system, feelings on AI, meme fuel, the legacy of art, and of course why art matters!

Christopher Y. Lew is Chief Artistic Director at Horizon Art Foundation and Outland Art. He has over fifteen years of experience working at American museums and arts nonprofits. He is a former curator at the Whitney Museum of American Art where he oversaw the emerging artist program and was co-curator of the 2017 Whitney Biennial. At the Whitney, he organized Pope.L: Choir (2019), Kevin Beasley: A view of a landscape (2018), and mounted the first US solo exhibitions for several artists. Prior to joining the Whitney, he was assistant curator at MoMA PS1. Lew has contributed to publications including Art AsiaPacific, Art Journal, Bomb, Huffington Post, and Mousse.

He and Zuckerman discuss art as a window into another world, spending time with things we don’t yet understand, being entrepreneurial, doing curatorial work in museums, being a parent, NFTs, transformational invitations, slowing down, and why should anyone care.

Derrick Adams is a multi-disciplinary artist living and working in Brooklyn, NY. Adams probes how the experiences and narratives of Black communities are reflected in and refracted by American history, entertainment, consumerism, iconography, and the dynamic relationship between personal identity and cultural environment. Expanding the dialogue around contemporary Black life and culture, through scenes of normalcy and perseverance, he developed and presents an iconography of joy, leisure, and the pursuit of happiness.

He and Zuckerman spoke about confidence, formed language, times of invisibility, fun, artist friendships, celebrating yourself without explaining, and taking chances! is a multi-disciplinary artist living and working in Brooklyn, NY. Adams probes how the experiences and narratives of Black communities are reflected in and refracted by American history, entertainment, consumerism, iconography, and the dynamic relationship between personal identity and cultural environment. Expanding the dialogue around contemporary Black life and culture, through scenes of normalcy and perseverance, he developed and presents an iconography of joy, leisure, and the pursuit of happiness.

He and Zuckerman spoke about confidence, formed language, times of invisibility, fun, artist friendships, celebrating yourself without explaining, and taking chances!

Sumayya Vally is the founder and principal of Counterspace, a Johannesburg-based architecture and research studio. Counterspace is committed to developing a design language that acknowledges and resonates with the African continent. In 2019, Counterspace was invited to design the 20th Serpentine Pavilion in London, making Vally the youngest architect ever to win this internationally renowned commission. She recently curated the first Islamic Arts Biennale in Jeddah. Vally is currently collaborating on the design of the Ellen Johnson Sirleaf Presidential Center for Women and Development in Monrovia, Liberia, the first presidential library dedicated to a female head of state, where she will oversee the scenography, pavilions, and exhibition spaces.
She and Zuckerman spoke about imagination, fear of design, metaphors of healing, dialogue with place, the first Islamic Arts Biennale, having a life in a city, ingredients of gathering, architecture of ritual, dynamic restoration, everyone is welcome, beauty, gathering and belonging, and having a practice of hope and optimism!

Jeanne Greenberg Rohatyn is a gallerist, art advisor, and independent curator. A fierce activist, she is committed to feminist and progressive ideas and a belief in art’s power to bring about social change. Greenberg Rohatyn founded her first gallery space in 2002, later adding venues on the Bowery in 2007 and 2010. Known for breaking hierarchies between design and high art, in 2017, she founded Salon 94 Design. She has championed artists such as Huma Bhabha, Judy Chicago, Katy Grannan, David Hammons, Lyle Ashton Harris, and Betty Woodman among many others.

She and Zuckerman discuss a shared love of architecture, growing up in a house of art, being a practicing feminist, hiding in the bathroom with Andy Warhol, the goal and impact of “see better”, the relationship of art and justice, how we want story tellers now, loving looking at art, being elegant in transitions, exhibition making, being a business partner to artists, how she chooses artists, learning from her father, how art needs a lot of help!

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Kara Goldin is the founder and CEO of hint inc., the San Francisco-based healthy lifestyle company, best known for hint water and most recently, hint sunscreen. Kara is an operating-entrepreneur and has grown hint to a brand worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In this episode she and Zuckerman talked about how our skin is our largest organ, products that solve problems, the productive aspects of anger, her art educator mom, and happiness as both a business and personal guiding practice.

Hilary Pecis makes paintings and drawings in which tableaus rich with interlocking fields of saturated color, geometric patterning, and bold linework provide views of sun-drenched domestic still lifes and landscape environments. Books crowding a coffee table, the remains of a dinner party, and terrains lush with Southern California succulents make frequent appearances in her work; these meticulously arranged interiors and vibrantly rendered exteriors amount to an overarching portrait of the self that identifies objects and locations as signifiers for human characteristics.
She and Zuckerman spoke about the importance of questions, her use of photographs, how we know and show ourselves, running, active versus passive practice, in between spaces, choice, what she thinks about, and how things come together!

Christina Quarles engages with the world from a position that is multiply situated.  As a Queer, cis-woman born to a black father and a white mother, her project is informed by her daily experience with ambiguity and seeks to dismantle assumptions.  We talked about finding beauty where others might not notice, the impact of our ancestors, and the importance of slowing down and doing less.

California-based artist Ed Templeton is known for his interdisciplinary practice, most notably of photographs documenting people and street life of Huntington Beach, California, intimate portraits of his wife, and paintings depicting the psychological complexity of American suburbia. He first gained recognition as a teenage skateboard prodigy in the late 1980s and taught himself to photograph on the fly while actively touring for competitions. All of Templeton’s subjects come from his own life: “Everything I’ve ever shot has just been on the path that I’ve been on, be it skating or travel or street photography.” Blurring portraiture and landscape, Templeton works across photography, painting, and drawing to explore the ugliness, banality, and beauty of the familiar everyday world.

He and Zuckerman discuss permission, looking at ourselves, what’s weird about Orange County, finding skateboarding, the absence of free will, seeing things before they happen, managing fear, the flow state, mining his own archives, hyper reality, and collaborating with his wife!

Richard Betts passed the Court of Master Sommeliers’ Masters Exam on the first attempt, the ninth person ever to do so. He co-founded the wine labels Betts & Scholl in 2003 and Scarpetta in 2006 and founded Sombra Mezcal in 2006. Today, Richard spends his time guiding Astral Tequila, and his newest wine project “An Approach To Relaxation.” Richard is the New York Times best-selling author of “The Essential Scratch & Sniff Guide to Becoming a Wine Expert.” He and Zuckerman discussed the long term effects of nurture, a deep-seated fear of failure, when he proposed to his wife, how it feels to give back, and working at the intersection of enthusiasm and opportunity!

Catherine Opie is an American photographer known for her portraits and landscapes that explore the complexities of contemporary life. Opie documents how individuals interact with the spaces they inhabit, expanding the dialogue on community, identity, and the marginalized subcultures of America. She was a recipient of The Guggenheim Fellowship in 2019, and The Smithsonian’s Archives of American Art Medal in 2016. Opie holds the Lynda and Stewart Resnick Endowed Chair in Art at UCLA where she is a professor of photography.
She and Zuckerman discuss mapping humanity, writing in your head, the pain of losing a family, the healing that comes with motherhood, vastness, our intelligence as a species, the crisis of humanity, what makes a successful board experience, what it takes to be a good citizen, meditation within art practice, and how art is a the language of our culture!

Hank Willis Thomas is a conceptual artist working primarily with themes related to perspective, identity, commodity, media, and popular culture. His work is included in numerous public collections including the Museum of Modern Art in New York; Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York; Whitney Museum of American Art. His collaborative projects include Question Bridge: Black Males, In Search Of The Truth (The Truth Booth), Writing on the Wall, and the artist-run initiative for art and civic engagement For Freedoms.

He and Zuckerman discussed anxiety, infinite wisdom, positivity bias, infinite possibility, God, the quality of the question, and the remaining opportunities for freedom.

Gary Simmons uses chalk as his main medium, utilizing the traces and ghost like effects of the chalk to portray compelling messages involving racial stereotypes. Throughout his conversation with Zuckerman, they touch on his athletic past, the intricacies of his 50 foot mural at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium, and why he helped dig a trench for Robert Irwin, along with other compelling tales of his youth!

Mehak Vieira is the Director and Founder of Jahmek Contemporary Art, a dynamic platform promoting a critical and provocative dialogue about artistic and visual expression in Luanda, Angola. Raised in Luanda, Viera founded the gallery alongside Jardel Vieira in 2018 with the vision of strengthening the artistic infrastructure in Angola for the next generation. Over the past five years, she has worked with emerging and established artists with ties to the country to build an ambitious program of exhibitions, events, fair presentations and more. Her leadership has gained international recognition of Jahmek Contemporary Art, building its reputation as a prominent player in the African contemporary art scene by exhibiting at major events including the Venice Biennale 2024, Art Basel 2022, Art Dubai 2022 and Arco Madrid 2021, among others.

She and Zuckerman discuss not coming from an art background, the Angola art scene, being entrepreneurial, why their program matters for the country, elitism, access to information, archiving the narrative, legacy, love, art fairs, how things come together, courage, and why art matters!

Fred Tomaselli’s work reveals a uniquely American vision. Growing up in Southern California, he was influenced by both the manufactured unreality of theme parks and the music and drug countercultures of Los Angeles during the 1970s and 80s. His distinctive melding of these traditions coalesces in an updated, personalized, folk-driven vision of the American West. Tomaselli amasses pills, herbs and other drugs, along with images of plants, flowers, birds, and anatomical illustrations carefully cut from books. Pulling from this visual archive, Tomaselli creates baroque paintings that draw upon a range of art historical sources and decorative traditions—like quilts and mosaics. Combining these unusual materials and paint under layers of clear epoxy resin, Tomaselli’s paintings explode in mesmerizing patterns that appear to grow organically across his compositions in a multilayered coexistence of the real, the photographic, and the painterly.

Friends for nearly three decades, in 2009 Zuckerman organized a major exhibition of Tomaselli’s work that traveled to two venues including the Brooklyn Museum. In this episode he and she talk about being shaped by cars, surfing, Disneyland and Orange County in general, their shared love of nature, losing yourself in music, mind altering substances and experiences, The New York Times and current events!

This final episode of 2020 pulls together excerpts from 15 episodes featured in the first half of 2020. We listen to the words and wisdom of Rich Roll, Mary Weatherford, Seth Price, Christina Quarles, Hank Willis Thomas, Tom Sachs, Richard Phillips, Helen Molesworth, Lance Armstrong, Amy Cappellazzo, JiaJia Fei, John Hickenlooper, Dennis Scholl, Richard Betts, and Kara Goldin.  In what was indisputably the wildest, most unexpected, isolating, surprising, and also strangely hopeful year, Zuckerman expresses her profound gratitude for the time, generous conversation, and community this podcast and these conversations have afforded and created!

This is part one of a two part extended episode of “Conversations About Art.”

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Patricia Miller is a visionary manufacturing leader, driving growth and innovation at M4. Under her leadership, M4 was named an Inc 5000 Fastest Growing Company two years in a row. In 2018, Patricia was named to Crain’s Chicago 40 under 40 honoree. Four years ago, Patricia left a successful career in the biotech space to return to her manufacturing roots. She decided to buy her grandpa’s failing business and run it like a start-up, using everything she had learned from her Fortune 500 career in marketing, her passion for entrepreneurship and her creative eye for design to turn M4 into a new kind of maker. She and Zuckerman discuss both morning and evening rituals and how to bookend a work day, her practice of “dating” each new city that she moves to, introducing the importance of art and design to people definitely not originally open to it, and all the things she loves!

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British sculptor Antony Gormley’s (Sir Antony Mark David Gormley OBE RA) work has been widely exhibited throughout the UK and internationally with recent exhibitions at Musée Rodin, Paris (2023); Lehmbruck Museum, Duisburg, Germany (2022); Museum Voorlinden, Wassenaar, Netherlands (2022); National Gallery Singapore, Singapore (2021); Schauwerk Sindelfingen, Germany (2021); Royal Academy of Arts, London (2019); Delos, Greece (2019); Uffizi Gallery, Florence, Italy (2019); Philadelphia Museum of Art, Pennsylvania (2019); Long Museum, Shanghai (2017); and Forte di Belvedere, Florence, Italy (2015) among others! Some permanent public works include the Angel of the North (Gateshead, UK), Another Place (Crosby Beach, UK), and Inside Australia (Lake Ballard, Western Australia). Gormley was awarded the Turner Prize in 1994, the South Bank Prize for Visual Art in 1999, the Bernhard Heiliger Award for Sculpture in 2007, the Obayashi Prize in 2012 and the Praemium Imperiale in 2013. In 1997 he was made an Officer of the British Empire (OBE) and was made a knight in the New Year’s Honors list in 2014. He is an Honorary Fellow of the Royal Institute of British Architects, an Honorary Doctor of the University of Cambridge and a Fellow of Trinity and Jesus Colleges, Cambridge. Gormley has been a Royal Academician since 2003.
He and Zuckerman discuss the state of the world, art as a form of witnessing, what can sculpture do, being in the world but not of it, moving through space with awareness, active meditation, what art is for, recognizing our own vitality, discovering ourselves as strangers, and the urgency and hopefulness of being alive right now!

Amy Cappellazzo is Chairman of the Fine Art division of Sotheby’s. Prior to accepting the position, Cappellazzo founded Art Agency, Partners with Allan Schwartzman, which in January of 2016 Sotheby’s acquired in a groundbreaking deal. Cappellazzo previously served as a market leader in the field of contemporary art at Christie’s, where she rose to the post of Chairman of Post-War & Contemporary Development over thirteen years. She and Zuckerman discussed adult social behavior around art and the future of Not for Profit galas, the pace of museum curating, the highest and best use of anything, a sexy painting by Patricia Cronin, and being an attentive and attuned mother in this episode.

Los-Angeles based artist Diedrick Brackens is best known for his woven tapestries that explore allegory and narrative through the artist’s autobiography, broader themes of African American and queer identity, as well as American history. Brackens employs techniques from West African weaving, quilting from the American South and European tapestry-making to create both abstract and figurative works. Bracken’s work the reasoning beast (2021)—currently installed in OCMA’s exhibition Color is the First Revelation of the World—exemplifies Bracken’s intimate use of color and material, where washed in hues of black, blue, and purple, a figure embraces a goat to soar through the night sky.
He and Zuckerman discuss his relationship to craft, weaving, and storytelling, how he starts, breaking rules, why cotton matters, Texas, his titles, abstraction and figuration, and what role hope and empathy play!

Alisha B. Wormsley is an interdisciplinary artist and cultural producer based in Pittsburgh, PA, USA. Her work is about collective memory and the synchronicity of time, specifically through the stories of women of color. She states her work is "the future, and the past, and the present, simultaneously. Wormsley has an MFA in Film and Video from Bard College and was awarded  the Postdoctoral Research fellowship in art at Carnegie Mellon University.  She and Zuckerman discuss motherhood, artist moms, and how to help; matriarchal mystery spaces, reciprocity and agreements, and the release found in spirituality.

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David Glasser is the two decade Chairman & CEO of the Ben Uri Gallery and Museum in the U.K. and oversaw its recreation as the first full-scale virtual art museum and research center. Ben Uri Gallery and Museum was founded in 1915 in Whitechapel's Jewish ghetto in the East End of London, by émigré Russian artist Lazar Berson who previously exhibited with Chagall in Paris. In 2000, a new strategic direction was built around scholarship and expanding the remit from solely Jewish artists by incorporating the wider, diverse immigrant artist experience in Britain since 1900.

Glasser and Zuckerman discuss the Bezalel Academy of Art and Design and the founding goal, museum relevancy in the 21st century, defining distinctive strength, doing a collections audit, being a public benefit, women refugees to the UK post WWII, a safe house for artists, a 24% female artist collection, mainstreaming a museum strategy, how few people actually visit some physical museums, why a digital museum is so compelling, global as the new local, deaccessioning, and being brave enough!

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Dara Birnbaum is a groundbreaking figure in the emergence of media art. Among the earliest practitioners working in video, among the first women to adapt the medium, and the first to focus on TV specifically.

Over the course of her nearly 50-year career, she has created a prescient body of work that in many ways prefigures our current digital realities, where anyone on social media can now “talk back” to media in ways similar to what Birnbaum has done throughout her artistic practice.  Her early works from the late 1970s took on American popular culture—Technology/Transformation: Wonder Woman being among her most famous—finding homes in exhibitions at nontraditional venues such as hair salons and nightclubs in the East Village.

She and Zuckerman discuss joy, awakening to nature, Monet, how art saves lives, being a “video maker,” winning, and spiritual practice.

In this episode, Heidi speaks with painter Mary Weatherford known for radical, elusive paintings where her canvases are affixed and sometimes juxtaposed with working neon light. They talk about the most annoying questions Mary repeatedly gets asked as well as why making her paintings involves getting her feet dirty, their mutual admiration for artist Alan Shields, scoliosis, and what it means to trust someone.

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Ezinma first picked up the violin when she was three-years old. Born in Lincoln, Nebraska to a Guyanese father and a German-American mother, Ezinma's mixed cultural and ethnic background influenced her musical upbringing and helped mold her into the versatile artist she is today. She has performed at Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center, and Madison Square Garden. She was inspired to create a new sound with her classical violin. Her music is a blend of virtuosic melodies and orchestral soundscapes with hard hitting beats. She has collaborated with artists such as Beyoncé, Stevie Wonder, Mac Miller, and Clean Bandit. She and Zuckerman discussed her morning practice routine, using beauty as a form of self-care, the sculpting of the spaces between things, how she never had a squeaky stage, the stories found within classical music, manifesting working with Beyoncé, and why we must never apologize!

References:

Oura Ring - https://ouraring.com

Bryson Tiller - https://www.billboard.com/music/bryson-tiller

Todd Reynolds - http://www.toddreynolds.com

DIY box violin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHsJEAGmcA

Heartstrings Foundation - https://www.ezinma.com/heartstrings

Derek Dixie - https://genius.com/artists/Derek-dixie

Beyoncé - https://www.beyonce.com

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Jean Jullien is a French graphic artist living and working in Paris. His practice ranges from painting and illustration to photography, video, costume, installations, books, posters and clothing to create a coherent yet eclectic body of work. In this episode he and Zuckerman talk about his clan and his mother’s iconic hairstyle, describing versus telling, what is enough, how to judge cultural impact, clusters, and saying “yes, but.”

Paul Laster is a writer, editor, curator, artist and lecturer. He is a contributing editor at ArtAsiaPacific and Whitehot Magazine of Contemporary Art and writer for Time Out New York, Harper’s Bazaar Arabia, Galerie Magazine, Sculpture, Cultured, Architectural Digest, Surface, and others. He started The Daily Beast’s art section, and was art editor of Russell Simmons’ OneWorld Magazine. We discuss the punk movement, MoMA’s film program, the business of being an artist, the global art scene, how to pitch story ideas, trust, and things we don’t like.

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Rickey Gates has been described as a “conceptual runner” combining the practice of endurance running with the artistic mediums of photography and writing. After nearly a decade competing on a national and international mountain, trail and ultra running circuit, he took his love for ultra-endurance, storytelling and photography to his project-based runs that have included a run across America, every single street in San Francisco and currently the 50 classic trails of North America. His debut book Cross Country and feature-length film TransAmericana chronicle his 3,700 mile journey across the United States.

He and Zuckerman discuss forced meditation, the poetry of the untaken URL, running to find a clean and safe mental state, why there is never too much, and how it is a luxury to suffer!

References:

Tom Simpson - https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/stories/discovering-the-real-tom-simpson

Hunter Thompson - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/rolling-stone-at-50-how-hunter-s-thompson-became-a-legend-115371/

Gretchen Bleiler - https://www.gretchenbleiler.com

Transamericana - http://www.rickeygates.com

Rich Roll - https://www.richroll.com

Every Single Street - https://www.everysinglestreet.com

Hamish Fulton - https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/hamish-fulton-1133

Helen Mirra - http://hmirra.net

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Pete McBride is a Native Coloradan who has spent two decades studying the world with a camera. A self-taught photographer, filmmaker, writer, and public speaker, he has traveled on assignment to over 75 countries for the National Geographic Society, Smithsonian, Google, The Nature
Conservancy, and others. After a decade documenting remote expeditions from Everest to Antarctica, McBride decided to focus his cameras closer to home on a subject closer to his heart—his backyard river, the Colorado. His latest project replaced rafting with walking—a lot of it. Over the course of a year, McBride hiked the entire length of Grand Canyon National Park — over 750 miles without a trail — to highlight development challenges facing this iconic landscape. After completing the journey, National Geographic named him and his hiking companion “Adventurers of the Year.”

He and Zuckerman discuss solitude, silence as the think tank of the soul, his decibel reading hobby, meditation as a way to control fear, a recent heart surgery, using photography to teach about health — our own and that of nature, achieving seemingly impossible things, the hooks of stories, the lessons in imperfection, and only doing things that make you nervous!

References:

Lao Tzu - “As long as you care what other people think you will always be their prisoner”

Smithsonian Mag article - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/photographs-last-quiet-places-180975765/

Gordon Hempton - https://www.soundtracker.com/about-gordon-hempton/

Oura Ring - https://ouraring.com

National Geographic - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/contributors/m/photographer-pete-mcbride/

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KAWS engages audiences beyond the museums and galleries in which he regularly exhibits. His prolific body of work straddles the worlds of art and design to include paintings, murals, graphic and product design, street art, and large-scale sculptures. Over the last two decades KAWS’ work shows formal agility, underlying wit, irreverence, and affection for our times. His refined graphic language revitalizes figuration with both big, bold gestures and playful intricacies. KAWS often appropriates and draws inspiration from pop culture animations, forming a unique artistic vocabulary across mediums. Admired for his larger-than-life sculptures and hardedge paintings that emphasize line and color, KAWS’ cast of hybrid cartoon characters are the strongest examples of his exploration of humanity. As seen in his collaborations with global brands, KAWS’ imagery possesses a sophisticated humor and reveals a thoughtful interplay with consumer products.

He and I discuss how works of art can exist in the public realm, his start, who his characters are and what they mean to him, what it feels like to see your work in the local grocery store, how he spends his time in the studio and who visits him there, and what he cares about and why!

This week on my podcast, “About Art” I spoke with the British contemporary artist Robert Montgomery. Montgomery is well known for his work in public space. He makes light works, billboard poems, fire poems, paintings and watercolors. His work brings text art closer to the language of poetry. He represented the UK in the 2012 Kochi Biennale and the 2016 Yinchuan Biennale. His work is in museum collections across the world including the Albright Knox in New York, and the Museum of Fine Arts Houston. He has had solo museum projects at the Aspen Art Museum in Colorado, Oklahoma Contemporary in Oklahoma City, and the Cer Modern Museum in Ankara. His work was recently included in the Musée du Louvre exhibition “La Suite de l’Histoire” in Paris. His work is hugely popular on the internet, the piece “The People You Love Become Ghosts Inside of You” has been shared online more than 200 million times.

He and Zuckerman discuss the gentle 90 percent, kindness, grief, love outlasting death, the temporary nature of power and wealth, modernist poetry, how to be a painter and poet at the same time, devotional reflection, having conversations with people across time, the magic in the mundane, light, and mentorship!

Aparajita Jain is the co-director of Nature Morte Art Limited since 2012, when she bought a controlling interest in the leading contemporary art gallery. She is also the Founder of terrain.art, India’s first blockchain powered art platform and co-founder of India’s first international sculpture park with the Government of Rajasthan, in Jaipur. She was listed as one among eight influential women in the Indian art world by ARTSY, one of 30 influential women in the art world by ELLE magazine, amongst the 51 art people changing the art world by Observer and amongst the top 100 creatives in India by Harper's Bazaar.

She and Zuckerman discuss working in the arts in India, different realities, whether all artists should be judged by the same standards, taking chances, artists as activists, NFTs as social equalizers, developing a virtual eco system for the arts and democratizing art in India, that it is ok to upset people, being at the edge of the past and the future, the art scene in Delhi, dialogues, whether there is a separate Indian paradigm, the gift of art, how to attract the most amount of people to art, the power of art to change people, art and transcendence, how to experience the infinite and feel connected to life, our souls, what is the worst that can happen in the presence of art, what is next, twenty-two minute meditation, and the importance of context!

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This week on my podcast “Conversations About Art” I spoke with Kate MccGwire, a British sculptor who spent her childhood growing up on the Norfolk Broads. Taking feathers as her primary medium, MccGwire goes through labour-intensive processes of collecting, sorting and cleaning her materials to create muscular, writhing forms reminiscent of Classical sculpture and creatures from mythology. Through her practice, MccGwire celebrates feathers, which are commonly shed or discarded, as the medium through which she articulates enigmatic anatomies that explore physical and introspective space.

She and I discuss swimming in the river, unexpected and long term collaborations, the notion of place, tracing the practice of time, being lost, looking again at what you think you know, meditative processes, what she listens to in the studio, flow, flux, patterning and energy, the power of art, and having a weird life!

Royal Salute, the master of exceptionally aged Scotch whisky, has unveiled a new platform, The Art of Wonder in partnership with celebrated British sculptor, Kate MccGwire. The Art of Wonder will invite some of the most provocative artists of today to take inspiration from the craft of whisky blending to create a lasting tribute to the transformative power of creativity. For its inaugural release, Royal Salute has partnered with British sculptor, Kate MccGwire, who has created three beautifully sculpted and sensuous pieces; Paragon, Plethora, and Protean, under a body of work named Forces of Nature. Paragon is one of 21 bespoke sculptures, that sits with a remarkable 53 Year Old blended Scotch whisky, one of the highest ages ever released by Royal Salute. Plethora, which features sustainably sourced pheasant feathers flowing through the curves of copper repurposed from silent whisky stills, will be unveiled for the first time in Shanghai, China, in November 2022. Protean, the largest installation of the three, continues the theme of Plethora and will be revealed at Frieze, London on the 12th of October 2022.

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Brad Cloepfil founded Allied Works in 1994 in Portland, Oregon. Since 2000, the practice has grown steadily through the completion of major museum projects, innovative educational facilities, residences and workplaces of diverse scale, purpose and character. Allied Works was established to engage artists, builders, and thinkers in a collective pursuit of new expression. Their ethic is boundless curiosity and uncommon commitment to creating beautiful, moving, and meaningful work.

Cloepfil and Zuckerman discuss architecture, the impact of geography on creativity, ritual practice, “the Robert Frost of architects,” the role of the room, finding an architecture you don’t yet know, that the building is never subject nor the answer, the truth and possibilities of beauty, making contemporary relevant spiritual space,     the need for God, where ethical conversations can occur, the discipline of listening, the transcendent, hell yeses!

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Artist Narsiso Martinez details the vital, but often unseen, labor carried out by farmworkers in the United States in his mixed media installations, predominantly using discarded cardboard produce boxes. His work resonates with the spirit of social realism from the 1930s – drawing from his personal experiences as a former farmworker.  In 2023, Martinez was honored with the prestigious Frieze Impact prize for his exploration of the immigrant experience within the agriculture industry.

He and Zuckerman spoke about how art saved his life, giving voice to unrepresented communities, freedom and responsibility, reducing fear, giving back, being a hero, and having tomorrow!

Robert Nava draws inspiration from sources ranging from prehistoric cave paintings to Egyptian art and cartoons to create hybrid monsters populating a mythical contemporary world. Rendered through a raw, energetic mixing of spray paint, acrylics, and grease pencil, his large-scale paintings of fantastical beasts exude a playful candidness that defies the pretensions of high art. An MFA graduate from Yale University, Nava builds on the gesturalism of Cy Twombly and Jean-Michel Basquiat.

He and Zuckerman discuss the energy he utilizes and creates, what different people see in the same imagery, the importance of heart, how he describes his own work, and of course why art matters!

Carrie Scott is an English American curator and arts commentator based in London. Over the past two decades, she has worked globally with galleries, artists, and collectors. She began her career as curator of the Hedreen Gallery at Seattle University, later becoming Director of the James Harris Gallery and Nicole Klagsbrun Gallery in New York. In 2009, she launched Carrie Scott & Partners, collaborating with artists like Nick Knight, John Pawson and Walter & Zoniel. She has curated exhibitions worldwide, including in South Korea, Japan, London, and New York. In 2024, she founded Seen, a platform promoting emerging artists and transparency. She and Zuckerman discuss art and entrepreneurship, embracing messiness, the impact of people saying yes, expanding the artworld, how art makes you feel better, how art is not rewarded in society, Seen.art and understanding ourselves!

American curator Lauren Haynes is Director of Curatorial Affairs and Programs at the Queens Museum. Prior to joining the Queens Museum, Haynes worked at museums across the United States including Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art and the Studio Museum in Harlem. Haynes is a specialist in contemporary art by artists of African descent – her curatorial vision aims to challenge traditional narratives and push boundaries within the art world, embracing both established artists and emerging talents, bridging the gap between tradition and innovation. Haynes was a 2018 Center for Curatorial Leadership fellow and a recipient of a 2020 ArtTable New Leadership Award. Since 2022, Haynes has been a member of the board of the Association of Art Museum Curators (AAMC) and AAMC Foundation.
She and Zuckerman discuss having work study jobs at college museums, navigating artist interactions and needs, deliberate care, growing and developing a contemporary program, tv as a hobby, dreaming of rest and moments of pause, looking for patterns, and how kids confidently talk about art!

Art collector and philanthropist Komal Shah, originally from Ahmedabad, India, migrated to the US in 1991 to study computer science in California. After completing her Masters at Stanford, she earned an MBA from the Haas School of Business at Berkeley, eventually holding positions in the executive suites of Oracle, Netscape, and Yahoo. In 2008, Shah left the tech industry to focus on philanthropic pursuits. She then began developing the Shah Garg Collection with her husband and tech entrepreneur Gaurav Garg, solidifying a vision for the collection’s emphasis on women artists in 2014. Today, they are focused on amplifying the voices of women artists and artists of color through the Shah Garg Foundation.
She and Zuckerman discuss activism, mistakes, excellence, motherhood, ungendered works, the seduction principle, how only 12% of works collected by museums are by female artists and how women artists make $.10 on a dollar, how to build a collection, great artists, and the social reality of guilt!

Patrick Steel is the CEO of POLITICO, which strives to be the dominant source for politics and policy in power centers across every continent where access to reliable information, non-partisan journalism and real-time tools creates, informs, and engages a global citizenry. Previously Steel spent 16 years as an investment banker and before that served in the Clinton White House.

He and Zuckerman discuss seeing America through a political campaign, the importance of relationships in building careers, Hilary Clinton’s emails as art, being an extrovert, what transformational leadership looks like, go to questions, the profound impact of the technological revolution, taking strategic bets, compromise, and his predictions for the US Presidential election on November 3, 2020!

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References:

Kyle Richards - referenced IG live

Kenny Goldsmith “Hillary: The Hillary Clinton Emails”  - https://www.neroeditions.com/product/hillary/

Venice Biennale - https://www.labiennale.org/en

Politico - https://www.politico.com/

Jerome Powell - https://www.federalreservehistory.org/people/jerome-h-powell

Playbook newsletter - https://www.politico.com/playbook

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This week on my podcast “Conversations About Art” I spoke with Hoor Al Qasimi, President and Director of Sharjah Art Foundation, a curator who established the Foundation in 2009 as a catalyst and advocate for the arts, not only in Sharjah, UAE, but also in the region and across the world. With a passion for supporting experimentation and innovation in the arts, Al Qasimi has continuously expanded the scope of the Foundation to include major international touring exhibitions; artist and curator residencies in visual art, film and music; commissions and production grants for emerging artists; publications and publication grants; performance and film festivals; architectural research and restoration; and a wide range of educational programming in Sharjah for both children and adults.

In 2003, Al Qasimi co-curated Sharjah Biennial 6 and has remained Biennial Director ever since. She is currently curating the upcoming Sharjah Biennial 15: Thinking Historically in the Present (2023). Under her leadership, Sharjah Biennial has become an internationally recognised platform for contemporary artists, curators and cultural producers. Her leadership in the field led to her election as President of the International Biennial Association (IBA) in 2017, an appointment that transferred IBA’s headquarters to Sharjah. In addition to her role at the Foundation, Al Qasimi also serves as the President of The Africa Institute and President and Director of the Sharjah Architectural Triennial, which inaugurated its first edition in November 2019.

She and I spoke about chance moments, the history of the place, the Africa Institute, “thinking historically in the present”, not rushing, decentralizing, doing less, telling you own history, not pursuing things that don’t work, and counting experiences!

JiaJia Fei is a digital strategist and founder of the first digital agency for art. She and Zuckerman discussed being an evening person, access to free art museums, how to find your own information, the future of funding and philanthropy and access to techpreneurs, how art can exist for the screen, and what could be their shared Kurt Vonnegut epitaph.

American artist Rodney McMillian’s paintings, sculptures, videos, and performances address the African-American experience while examining race, gender, and class in a broader political context. Aspects of his work negotiates between the body of a political nature and the politic of a bodily nature. McMillian modifies familiar and found objects into new – he offers an alternative reality that reveals how past ideas relate to the present. He is now a professor of sculpture at the School of Arts and Architecture at UCLA. McMillian’s work can be found in the permanent collections of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, UCLA Hammer Museum, and the Museum of Contemporary Art Los Angeles, The Orange County Museum of Art, among others.
He and Zuckerman discuss the role of chance in his paintings, intimacy and residue, what landscape can mean, issues of class and taste, retitling, existing within uncomfortable contexts, “hitting it on the one,” napping, the physicality of making art, the present moment, working with a voice coach, and the thrill of accomplishing hard things!

Sophie Chahinian is a filmmaker and the founder of the The Artist Profile Archive (TAPA). TAPA produces short artist documentary profiles on contemporary artists to create an archive thereby making contemporary art more accessible to wider audiences. All the films are  available for free on TAPA’s website and social media channels. Her recent documentary profiles include Alexandra Grant and Robert Longo. Growing up in Los Angeles, Chahinian became interested in independent film production through her work with Light and Space artist Eric Orr in the late 1990s.

She and Zuckerman discuss the creativity of the kitchen, the effortful and effortless, commitments, discipline and schedules, changing perspectives, “just fine,” the types of questions we ask, democratizing access to art, transcendence found in art, becoming an expert, understanding who we are, the concept of the oneness, art as seduction, and defining the parameters of our own humanity!

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Katherine Metz is one of the most visible spokespersons of the art of Feng Shui in the United States, introducing Feng Shui into mainstream western culture with her lucid and practical conveyance of its sometimes esoteric philosophies. Her focus is the art and science of creating a healthy home and workplace.  Metz created Feng Shui Storyboard, an interactive membership where she shares one compelling Feng Shui mystery every month. She explains the tools and techniques used to solve these mysteries; honed from her 30 years of experience as a floor plan detective and 25 years of mastering the teachings of H. H. Grandmaster Professor Lin Yun.

She and Zuckerman discuss being a rule breaker, which houses lead to divorce, the five types of people, how inspiration is knowing beyond logic, and the courage to ask the right question.

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Digital content creator Amanda McCreight specializes in digital storytelling, utilizing photography and filmmaking as her medium to challenge conventional norms, guide discourse, and foster meaningful connections. McCreight started the brand Aytuhzee noting that she “wanted to create a persona around feeling free to try everything from A to Z. Aytuhzee is many things…the Full Expression of whatever medium I’m feeling called to!” Additionally, she is the Co-Founder and Creative Director of All Day Running Co. where she collaborates with entrepreneur Jesse Itzler to curate immersive wellness and running experiences. Together they craft unforgettable events that leave participants not only with memories, but also with a newfound sense of empowerment. McCreight is a self-described lover, dreamer, and existential thinker dedicated to living the full spectrum of life’s color and emotions in art and in business.
She and Zuckerman discuss course correcting your life, saying yes, living a life full of color, finding middle ground, creating brands, giving things your all, flow state, balancing consumption and creation, what we deserve, a vision board coming to life, the first yes, speaking things into existence, public pitching ideas, practicing looking, and why art matters!

With his paintings, Richard Phillips is a master of seduction – he plays upon the complex web of human obsessions with sexuality, politics, power, and death.   He uses classical painterly techniques to make things and people you have seen before look and feel unfamiliar and mean something different. We discussed the first art car to win at Le Mans, what it feels like to unintentionally make a lot of people really mad, Gossip Girl, and what can stand in the way of love.

After more than a decade as an art dealer and gallery owner specializing in contemporary Southeast Asian art, in the last year Tyler Rollins founded a nonprofit organization nurturing connections between contemporary art and religious faith. The Foundation for Spirituality and the Arts is based in Charleston, SC and forefronts a focus on transcendence and orienting oneself to a higher power knowing that these can be a source of insight, illumination, and inspiration.

He and Zuckerman discuss Edgar Allan Poe, how to build a community, the Holy City, justifications for art, soulful connections, polite conversations, pandemic introspection and access, divisiveness, the link between a career practice and a life practice, connection to a higher purpose, the relationship between integration and transcendence, gentleness, cracking the shell of self, being uncomfortable, the notion of faith, allowing artists to flourish, creating space, a contemplative approach to art, empathy with and towards something higher, the divine, general acts of kindness, and not walking alone!

Kathy DeMarco VanCleve is the author of books Never Caught, The Difference Between You and Me, and Drizzle, numerous screen plays, and on the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania. In this episode, she and Zuckerman speak about poetry, where glory is found, the importance of being kind, death, cancer, and parenting.

Sarah Sutton is Principal of Sustainable Museums. For three decades she has worked in the museum field with a specific focus on climate awareness in the cultural sector. Sutton works with the leadership of individual institutions as they prepare and launch mission-specific climate initiatives, or plan more strategic engagement with initiatives around environmental sustainability and climate resilience.

She and Zuckerman discuss museums and the climate crisis, Helen Frankenthaler and her values, LEED certification and the early aught building boom, climate, Covid, economics and equity, “just” doing what we do, how to surface answers you don’t know, how art documents climate change, opening the science-based discussion on climatization of museum collections, the push that funding allows, the risk of action but also non-action, carbon offsets, and how a single person can make major things happen at an institution!

http://www.frankenthalerclimateinitiative.org/

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Jérôme Sans began his career in the early 1980s as one of the first independent curators in Europe. His mission has been to rethink contemporary art exhibition making through an engagement with emerging artists. He is the former director of the Ullens Center for Contemporary Art in Beijing, co-founder of the Palais de Tokyo in Paris, and creator, and former creative director and editor-in-chief of the French cultural magazine L’Officiel Art, former artistic director of Rives de Saône-River Movie, former co-artistic director to the Grand Paris Express project, France's largest urban redefinition through culture initiative since Haussmann, among many other accomplishments and appointments. He recently joined LAGO/ALGO, a cultural hub that blends Contemporary Art and modernist architecture in Mexico City, as artistic director.

He and Zuckerman discuss why art matters, institution building and how to make people feel welcome, what we’ve forgotten how to do in the last few years, and what he tells doubters!

Alia Ali works between photography, video, and installation, addressing the politicization of the body, histories of colonization, imperialism, sexism, and racism through projects that take pattern and textile as their primary motif. Textile has been a constant in her practice, and she has recently begun making her own patterns and prints. Her work is also informed by discourses of criminality, Yemeni Futurism, and feminist theory, drawing upon stories including the nostalgic past of the Queen of Sheba.

She and Zuckerman discuss indigenous symbolism, what is threatening, how to use beauty, vanishing countries, shifts of allegiance, abduction of stories, the weight of a job, self imposed responsibilities, language and truth, being seen the way you want to be seen, inclusion and exclusion and the power of photography, having an actual tribe, ancestral knowledge, who owns the red star, the occupying of myths, and radically imagined possibilities for the future!

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Christopher Bedford is the Director of the Baltimore Museum of Art, appointed in May 2016. Prior to joining the BMA, Bedford led the Rose Art Museum at Brandeis University in Massachusetts for four years. In November 2019, it was announced that the Baltimore Museum of Art would only purchase works made by female-identifying artists in 2020 as part of an effort to work towards “re-correcting the canon.”

He and I discuss what putting art in the basement means, the decency and care of John Waters, reliance on attendance as revenue, living our principles in museums, philosophies of deaccessioning, the Sotheby’s auction on October 28, 2020, the urgency of caring for museum staff, having too much art while being undercapitalized, how museums can be relevant today, the importance of close listening, what a civic museum could look like, and  art that gives you an otherwise impossible idea!

References:

Lisa Yuskavage x Aspen Art Museum - https://www.aspenartmuseum.org/exhibitions/233-lisa-yuskavage-wilderness

Baltimore Museum of Art - https://artbma.org

Mickalene Thomas - https://www.mickalenethomas.com/about

John Waters - could not find appropriate link

Cindy Sherman - https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/1154

Starns - http://www.dmstarn.com

Wolfgang Tillmans - https://tillmans.co.uk (referenced portrait of John Waters)

Mark Bradford - https://www.hauserwirth.com/artists/2838-mark-bradford

Venice Biennale - https://www.labiennale.org/en

Rose Museum - https://www.brandeis.edu/rose/

Brice Marden - https://gagosian.com/artists/brice-marden/

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Marianne Boesky established her eponymous gallery in New York in 1996. Since its inception, the gallery has represented and supported the work of emerging and established contemporary artists of all media and genres. In its first decade, the gallery was instrumental in launching the careers of major artists including Barnaby Furnas, Takashi Murakami, Yoshitomo Nara, Sarah Sze, and Lisa Yuskavage. The gallery currently represents many significant international artists, including Ghada Amer, Jennifer Bartlett, Sanford Biggers, Pier Paolo Calzolari, Donald Moffett, and Frank Stella. Boesky relocated her flagship gallery from SoHo to Chelsea in 2001, and in 2016, the gallery expanded its flagship location to include its adjacent space on West 24th Street. In 2017, Boesky opened a location in Aspen, Colorado; she has organized temporary exhibition spaces in Europe and in cities across the United States.

She and Zuckerman discuss family legacy, audacity, learning from artists, bank loans, consiglieres, vision,  looking at everything, being a mom in the artworld, mentoring, and not rushing!

Cristina Iglesias is a Spanish born artist who studied Chemical Sciences at the University of the Basque Country and Ceramics and Sculpture at the Chelsea College of Art in London. Her museum exhibitions include Centro Botín, Santander, Spain; Museo Reina Sofía, Madrid; Ludwig Museum, Cologne; Whitechapel Art Gallery, London; and Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, New York. She additionally has been commissioned to create major projects and installations at Bloomberg headquarters, London; Mexican Foundation of Environmental Education, Baja, California; Museo del Prado, Madrid; and Royal Museum of Fine Art, Antwerp, among many others.

She and Zuckerman discuss studio spaces, collaboration, being with ourselves, dreaming, constructing landscape, memory and imagination, transiting, and remembering!

Erica Keswin is a workplace strategist who has worked for the past twenty years with some of the most iconic brands in the world as a consultant, speaker, author, and professional dot-connector. Her first book, Bring Your Human to Work: Ten Sure-Fire Ways to Design a Workplace That’s Good for People, Great for Business, and Just Might Change the World, published in 2018 was a best-seller. Her next book, Rituals Roadmap: The Human Way to Transform Everyday Routines Into Workplace Magic is out now.

Keswin and Zuckerman discuss tasting coffee, routines versus rituals, reflecting our values, family dinner, working moms, being a connector, personal missions, looking into each other’s personal spaces, bringing your whole self to work, things that make you feel most like you, a sense of purpose, priorities, being open, doing without a known return, and honoring relationships!

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Dennis Scholl is a filmmaker, winemaker, collector, entrepreneur, and artist advocate. In this episode he and Zuckerman talk about him being an obsessive guy, “ going country” and sacred Aboriginal lands, the mistake of not valuing artists, how it feels to live with art placed by other people, and why opening the aperture is key to a meaningful and joyful life!

Noah Horowitz is Director Americas for Art Basel since 2015. He is based in New York and is in charge of Art Basel’s show in Miami Beach. Horowitz holds a PhD in art history from the  Courtauld Institute of Art, London. His doctoral thesis, Art of the Deal: Contemporary Art in a Global Financial Market, was published by the Princeton University Press in 2011. Previously he was managing director of The Armory Show in New York from 2011 until 2015. And prior to this, in 2009 he became Director of VIP Art Fair, a first-ever virtual international art fair.

We discuss the intimacies of zoom, living with a blanket of uncertainty, positive intelligence, the first online art fair, the rhythm and consistency of the art world calendar, details of the art market report, what is good and great in the contemporary art, being cultural explorers and speaking the global language of art, and with gratitude for it—the continuous ability to be moved by art.

References:

Cory Muscara - https://corymuscara.com

Positive Intelligence - https://www.positiveintelligence.com

Art Basel - https://www.artbasel.com

The Armory - https://www.thearmoryshow.com

Marc Spiegler - Art Basel global director

OVR 2020 - https://www.artbasel.com/ovr

Peter Doig - https://www.moma.org/artists/8087

Michael Werner - https://www.michaelwerner.com

Francois Ghebaly - http://ghebaly.com

Peter Saul x New Museum - https://www.newmuseum.org/exhibitions/view/peter-saul-crime-and-punishment

Meriem Bennani’s 2 Lizzards works on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CCRSrRWDOW3/?igshid=1y1wnj1ywq601

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Beth Pickens is a Los Angeles-based consultant for artists and arts organizations. Since 2010 she has provided career consultation, grant writing, fundraising, and financial, project, and strategic planning services for artists and arts organizations throughout the U.S. She understands artists as people who are deeply, profoundly compelled to be creatively engaged. She is the author of Make Your Art No Matter What: Moving Beyond Creative Hurdles, published in 2021, and Your Art Will Save Your Life, published in 2018.

She and I discuss working with artists, how life is hard, having an extra soul, returning to yourself, death, God wrestling, spiritual practice, soul traits: patience, silence and responsibility, awesome fear, durations projects, zero room for regret, and a guide for living!

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This is the second “Ask Me Anything” episode with our founder and host Heidi Zuckerman, a globally recognized leader in contemporary art, a prolific content generator, and a fierce advocate for Why Art Matters! In addition to being the first woman to build two art museums and raising nearly $200M dollars for museums, she has had hundreds of courageously authentic conversations with artists and other people she finds interesting that are featured on five years and 150 podcasts and in four volumes of her Conversations with Artists book series. She also recently authored Why Art Matters: The Bearable Lightness of Being “your bed-side table masterclass in how to find a way towards understanding ourselves thru art.”
In this episode she answers audience questions that range from those about the practices of the art world to who Heidi would love to have dinner with and on her podcast. It’s another deeply personal share from a woman who encourages us all to live our values and to connect with art to make our lives better!

Dr. Salah M. Hassan is founding Director of The Africa Institute. Hassan concurrently holds positions at Cornell University as the Distinguished Professor of Arts & Sciences in African and African Diaspora Art History and Visual Culture in the Department of Africana Studies and Research Center; in the Department of History of Art and Visual Studies; and as Director of the Institute for Comparative Modernities (ICM). Hassan also served as Professor of History of Art in African and African American Studies and Fine Art at Brandeis University, where he was previously awarded the Madeleine Haas Russell Professorship in the Departments of African and Afro-American Studies and Fine Art.

Hassan is an editor and co-founder of Nka: Journal of Contemporary African Art and author, editor, and contributor to numerous other books, journals, anthologies, and exhibition catalogues. Hassan has also curated international exhibitions and Biennials including Authentic/Ex- Centric (49th Venice Biennale, 2001); and 3x3: Three Artists/Three: David Hammons, Maria Magdalena Campos-Pons, Pamela Z (Dak'Art, 2004); among others.

He and Zuckerman discussed African Modernism, family preferences, not seeing yourself, resistance, walking, revenge, and loving beauty and humor in art!

Cathy Kimball served as Executive Director and Chief Curator of the San Jose Institute of Contemporary Art (ICA) for twenty years and planned her retirement as the ICA turned 40 in 2020. She is curating the Marcus Lyon project, "De.Coded: A Human Atlas of Silicon Valley" by the Packard Foundation, scheduled for 2022 at the ICA. Previously she held curatorial roles at the San Jose Museum of Art and the New Jersey Center for the Arts.

She and I discuss defining a curatorial legacy, knowing who to listen to, balancing a career and a life, prioritizing family, graceful exits, mentoring a team, serving a community, and how good it feels to create a space for artists!

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Artist Claire Tabouret studied at the École des Beaux-Arts, Paris. Motivated by a sensitivity to the passing of time and the floodgates of vulnerability opened by human relationships, Tabouret's painting practice is paced between periods of productive urgency and quiet reflection, and animated by layers, fabrics, and full, loose brushstrokes. Her hydrous palette is suspended somewhere in the ether between the synthetic hues of makeup and subdued tones of the earth, simultaneously referencing the natural and artificial ingredients of representation. Tableaux depicting bodies in confrontation, portraits, paintings of assemblies of people from young debutants to migrants at sea, and landscapes are often washed in color fields, alternately evoking ine possibility of anywhere and site specificity.
She and Zuckerman discuss her studio practice and a typical day, where her ideas come from, living in California, comfort and risk, ‘fluff,’ motherhood, music, what art has to teach us, and her selection to design new, contemporary stained-glass windows for the newly renovated Notre Dame Cathedral.

This week on my podcast “Conversations About Art” we are reissuing one of our earliest—recorded in October 2019–when I spoke with artist Seth Price. Price in addition to making paintings has designed a fashion line, written a novel, and made music.

He and I talk about the allure of being unavailable, the power of defocused thinking, creating a sound track for artists, #menswear, and skin.

Daniel Arsham straddles the line between art, architecture, and performance. He makes architecture do things that it’s not supposed to. From casting contemporary objects in volcanic ash as if found on some future archaeological site to collaborating with Merce Cunningham, Robert Wilson, and Pharrell Williams to founding Snarkitecture, Arsham brings experimentation, historical inquiry, playfulness, and wit to everything he does. He and Zuckerman discuss the dislocation of time, geological forms of growth, allowing for chance, the relationship between collaboration and expanding audience, and doing things that are hard!

References:

Camera sculpture “Future Relic 02” - https://www.danielarsham.com/shop/camera

MOCA Miami - https://mocanomi.org

Merce Cunningham - https://www.mercecunningham.org

Adidas x Daniel Arsham - https://www.adidas.com/com/apps/danielarshamnew/

Bruce Nauman - https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/bruce-nauman

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Lynn Goldsmith is more than the “Rock and Roll photographer” of Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Keith Richards, and so many others. She has made kind, collaborative, and keenly perceptive portraits of world leaders like John Lewis, John McCain, and Jane Goodall. She is an artist who works in photography, painting, performance, spoken word and released “Will Powers” on Island Records in 1983.

Goldsmith and Zuckerman discuss learning instead of judging, seeing more than what other people can see, the camera as a tool for answers, portrait photographers as psychologists, control, pattern interrupts, having a limited amount of time, breaking limitations, having a platform, taking pictures of beloved musical icons, the power of dress, confronting and utilizing our fears, making life lighter, and why hard work matters!

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Art historian and curator Stephanie Stebich is the Margaret and Terry Stent Director of the Smithsonian American Art Museum. She was named director of the Smithsonian American Art Museum in January 2017. Stebich serves on the Smithsonian’s Capital Board as well as the Smithsonian-London Strategic Advisory Board. In May 2018, she was named co-chair of the Smithsonian American Women’s History Initiative. Before coming to Washington, D.C., Stebich was executive director of the Tacoma Art Museum for 12 years. Under her leadership, the museum underwent a major renovation that doubled its exhibition space, and secured major collection gifts, including the Haub Family Collection of Western American Art, 300 masterworks from the 1790s to the present by Charles Bird King, Thomas Moran, Frederick Remington, Georgia O’Keeffe and others. She was assistant director of the Minneapolis Institute of Arts from 2001 to 2004 and assistant director at the Cleveland Museum of Art from 1995 to 2001.
She and Zuckerman discuss feeling at home in museums, taking risks, making a museum free, house favorites, why museums buy certain things, finding the optimal location for an artwork, having a broad definition of art to include craft, mentorship, how to get a job, speaking up while active listening, America as a hopeful experiment, artists as makers of hope!

Christiana Ine-Kimba Boyle is a New York based art dealer and curator. Ine-Kimba Boyle was recently appointed partner and co-owner at CANADA gallery in New York. Her previous positions include leading the online sales strategy at Pace gallery as Senior Director and Global Head of Online and working as a Senior Director at CANADA. Her latest curated exhibitions include Beyond the Frame: Abstraction Reconstructed, a two-person exhibition featuring Denzil Hurley and Reginald Sylvester II and “Rest and Reprieve: A Window into Creative Solitude,” a group exhibition benefitting Eighth House Residency.

She and Zuckerman discuss being a teenage intern at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the long term impact of exposure  to art before age 24, online art sales during COVID, combing art and technology, strategies of access, her Black Out dinner series, opportunities for artists to rest, Matcha (!) as a morning ritual, Canada as a verb and a noun, managed growth with a global footprint, artist’s loyalty, and Hudson River School artists!

Helen Molesworth is a Los Angeles-based writer and curator. She recently released “Recording Artists,” a podcast series in conjunction with the Getty and she is the curator-in-residence at the Anderson Ranch Arts Center. We talked about why it’s a great thing when works of art make you cry, personal and institutional legacy, and where the divine or faith shows up in art.

Fred Eversley’s lenses and mirrored forms reflect and refract the world, and our place within it. Eversley hit his stride with his primary mode of working at the same time the Light and Space movement gained momentum in Southern California. Yet unlike his Light and Space and Finish Fetish peers who often collaborated with scientists and outsourced fabrication of their work, Eversley’s firsthand technical understanding as a scientist himself (Eversley came to Southern California in the 1960s to work as a consulting engineer for NASA and his early career was spent with United States’ largest aerospace company during that period–Wyle Labs in Los Angeles) enabled him to utilize materials in ways that uniquely position his practice.
Eversley is the subject of a major show at The Orange County Museum of Art / OCMA when the museum
opens on October 8.

He and Zuckerman discuss science, how his work is about energy, failure, infinite possibility, climate change, working in New York, the importance of his groundbreaking 1978 exhibition at OCMA (then known as the Newport Harbor Art Museum), black holes, and proximity to other artists and thinkers!

Ella Fontanals-Cisneros is a philanthropist, entrepreneur and collector of contemporary art. She began collecting art in the 1970s and her collection, which today has more than 2500 works, has an international profile with emblematic figures of modern and contemporary art with a focus on Latin American art. She is also cofounder of CIFO, a non-profit organization that fosters cultural exchange and enrichment of the arts. In this position, she recently worked to launch the CIFO-Ars Electronica Awards (in partnership with Ars Electronica) to advance the work of Latin American artists working with new media and technology, an underfunded area of production.

She and Zuckerman discuss spirituality, humanity, crying in front of works of art, the importance of silence, her legacy, museum decision making, how personal decision making is!!

Dr. Shauna Shapiro, PhD, is a best-selling author, clinical psychologist and internationally recognized expert in mindfulness and self-compassion. She is a professor at Santa Clara University and has published over 150 papers and three critically acclaimed books, translated into 16 languages. Dr. Shapiro has presented her research to the King of Thailand, the Danish Government, Bhutan’s Gross National Happiness Summit, and the World Council for Psychotherapy, as well as to Fortune 100 Companies including Google, Cisco Systems and LinkedIn. Her work has been featured in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Oprah, NPR, and the American Psychologist. Dr. Shapiro is a summa cum laude graduate of Duke University and a Fellow of the Mind and Life Institute, co-founded by the Dalai Lama. Her TEDx Talk, The Power of Mindfulness, has been viewed over 3 million times.

She and Zuckerman discuss mindfulness, meditation training in Thailand, looking for the magical, self love, how subtle is significant, beginning again, loving awareness, attitude of flexibility, kind attention, intentional practice, glimmers and micro moments of goodness, hardwiring happiness, finding love, how art connects us to what we have forgotten, what it means to be human and free!

Kemi Ilesanmi has been a DMV clerk, receptionist, business school dropout, Minnesota State Fair ribbon winner, museum curator, foundation officer, and now Executive Director of The Laundromat Project, a NYC arts nonprofit that advances artists and neighbors as change agents in their own communities. She cares about cultural and community care, #BlackLivesMatter, and all things Obama.

She and Zuckerman discuss issues of well-being and taking a sabbatical, what makes you a happier person, actual and false urgency, bringing people together, purpose and what makes sense, showing ourselves to ourselves, defining what love means, the superpower of being vulnerable, what questions we ask, naming, allowing emotion to be part of the work, and love as a radical place of power!

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Shamim Momin is the Director of Curatorial Affairs at the Henry Art Gallery in Seattle, Washington. In this role since 2018, she has overseen the Curatorial Department and organized numerous exhibitions, including the museum-wide group exhibition In Plain Sight, as well as major commissions by Tala Madani, Gary Simmons, Kelly Akashi, Donna Huanca, Diana Al-Hadid, and others. Prior to joining the Henry, she was director, curator, and co-founder of LAND (Los Angeles Nomadic Division), a nonprofit public art organization committed to curating site- and situation-specific contemporary art projects. In that role, Momin organized over 100 exhibitions, projects, and programs with more than 300 artists, presented across the United States and internationally. Previously, Momin served for more than ten years at the Whitney Museum of American Art (New York) co-curating the 2004 and 2008 Whitney Biennials and overseeing the Contemporary Projects series. In addition to her extensive publication history, she serves regularly as guest lecturer, panelist, and advisor for a wide array of organizations and events. Momin was Adjunct Professor of Contemporary Art for Williams College for the 2007 and 2008 Semester in New York program, and is currently Affiliate Professor of Art at the School of Art, Art History and Design, University of Washington.
She and Zuckerman discuss life transformations, never not thinking about something, founder’s fatigue, regret, being useful, learning to listen,   accepting the world, personal responsibility, purpose driven work, humanity, being a mom, mentorship, what the next generation sees, and art as a means to be human!

John Hickenlooper recently spent six months running for President of the United States of America.  He served two terms as Mayor of Denver, followed by two terms as Governor of Colorado.  He is a craft brewer and occasional banjo player and is currently running for U.S. Senate in Colorado.  In this episode, he and Heidi talk about the importance of silence in holding a space for other’s grief,  how art, music, and culture builds community, transcendental meditation, and world peace.

Pulling from a wide range of mediums including collage, painting, writing, printmaking, video, and publishing, Adam Pendleton utilizes language as his primary tool, recontextualizing appropriated imagery to shed light on underrepresented historical narratives. He is particularly interested in social resistance and avant-garde artistic movements and has synthesized a variety of practices under the rubric of "Black Dada,” a term borrowed from the poet Amiri Baraka. This year Pendleton will present Who Is Queen, a major new project in the atrium of The Museum of Modern Art, New York.

Pendleton and Zuckerman discuss preventing unnecessary distraction, the fact and shape of time, the urgency of art, being a curious being, chaos as a means of meaning making, historical mashups, the regression of social interaction, the responsibility of living, what do you do with your life, art in America, and what he feels good about!

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Kulapat Yantrasast is a thought-leader and practitioner in the fields of architecture, art, and design. Originially from Thailand and now based in Los Angeles, he is the founding partner and Creative Director of wHY, a multidisciplinary design practice organized into dedicated workshops: Buildings, Landscape, Museums, Objects, and Ideas. His museum projects include the Grand Rapids Art Museum, the expansion of the Speed Art Museum in Louisville, KT, gallery design and planning for Harvard Art Museums and the Art Institute of Chicago, and currently a major gallery renovation of the Rockefeller Wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

He and Zuckerman discuss museums as a place where time stands still, the sexiness and honesty of parking structures, the ease and seduction of digital solutions, loving cities, redefining everything, and what “missing your own self” feels like!

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Neville Wakefield is a curator and writer interested in exploring the ways in which art behaves outside of institutional contexts. He offers that art is most successful, enlightening, and provocative when it goes beyond stereotypical labels and white spaces and is revealed in new spaces that suggest new paradigms. Previously MoMA PS1’s Senior Curatorial Advisor and Frieze Projects’ Curator, Wakefield is the co-founder of Elevation1049, a site-specific biennial in Gstaad, Switzerland, Artistic Director of Desert X, and the force behind Desert X AlUla in Saudi Arabia.
He and Zuckerman spoke about starting as a writer, sailing, getting lost, no right or singular approach, embracing uncertainty, constructing your own narrative, the aesthetics of disappointment, lowering barriers of entry, and finding beauty in unexpected places!