We Want Them Infected Podcast (Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent)
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| 04 Nov 2024 | Election-Eve Anxiety: What RFK Jr.’s Public Health Control Could Mean for America | 00:50:52 | |
In this pre-election episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the alarming potential of RFK Jr. assuming control over America’s key health agencies under a Trump administration. With stakes high for the election, the episode dissects the anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation strategies that could influence policies affecting public health, and they delve into statements made by RFK Jr. and supporting figures like Dr. Vinay Prasad and Dr. Marty McCary.
The episode stresses the importance of awareness and voting, as potential outcomes could reshape America’s public health landscape.In this pre-election episode of We Want Them Infected, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the alarming potential of RFK Jr. assuming control over America’s key health agencies under a Trump administration.
With stakes high for the election, the episode dissects the anti-vaccine rhetoric and misinformation strategies that could influence policies affecting public health, and they delve into statements made by RFK Jr. and supporting figures like Dr. Vinay Prasad and Dr. Marty McCary. The episode stresses the importance of awareness and voting, as potential outcomes could reshape America’s public health landscape. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 04 Feb 2024 | Responding to Our Critics | 00:48:19 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the criticisms and negative reviews they have received for their podcast. They discuss accusations of ad hominem attacks and misrepresentations made by doctors they have quoted in their discussions on pandemic policies and vaccination strategies. Dr. Howard begins by acknowledging the seriousness of the pandemic and the consequences of words spoken during such times. He highlights that some individuals treated the pandemic as a game, engaging in personal attacks instead of focusing on constructive discussions. The main focus of the episode is responding to a negative review they received from Christian Siegel, who criticized their representation of the Great Barrington Declaration supporters' views on vaccination and pandemic policies. Dr. Howard uses this review as a starting point to address similar criticisms he has received. Dr. Howard points out that his podcast has not engaged in ad hominem attacks or insults, but rather aims to accurately quote and discuss the views of doctors and experts. He quotes Winston Churchill, emphasizing the importance of free speech and the willingness to accept responses and disagreements. The episode highlights the common responses Dr. Howard has received from doctors he has quoted. These responses include ignoring his work, resorting to juvenile insults, and misrepresenting his views. Dr. Howard addresses each of these responses, providing examples from his interactions with specific doctors. One notable example is Dr. Stephan Baral, who accused Dr. Howard of promoting his book during the pandemic. Dr. Howard counters this claim and questions the idea that writing a book during the pandemic is a path to riches. Another doctor, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, is cited for misrepresenting Dr. Howard's views and engaging in personal attacks. Dr. Howard provides evidence of Bhattacharya's inaccurate representations and questions his stance on vaccination for children. The episode also delves into the criticisms made by Dr. Francis Ballou, a virologist and chair of computational biology at University College London. Dr. Ballou accused Dr. Howard of misrepresenting views and being a grifter with no domain expertise. Dr. Howard challenges these accusations and highlights the importance of accurately quoting experts. This sheds light on the challenges and criticisms faced by Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent. It emphasizes the need for respectful dialogue and open discussion during a pandemic.
Resources mentioned: The Great Barrington Declaration Winston Churchill quote on free speech Dr. Stephan Baral's Twitter comments Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's articles and comments Dr. Francis Ballou's criticisms and accusations
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The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 14 Apr 2024 | Dr. Scott Atlas's Role in Trump's COVID Response | 00:42:56 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard delves into the controversial tenure of Dr. Scott Atlas as President Trump's coronavirus advisor. Atlas, who lacked a background in infectious diseases, was a proponent of achieving herd immunity by allowing the virus to spread among low-risk populations—a strategy considered dangerous by many health experts. The podcast critiques Atlas's approach, which ignored the potential for severe consequences across all age groups and disproportionately impacted vulnerable populations. Howard points out that Atlas's policies were not grounded in solid scientific consensus but were instead influenced by a misinterpretation of herd immunity concepts. The episode also touches on the real-world outcomes of these policies, such as increased COVID-19 cases and deaths that could have been mitigated with more prudent measures. Additionally, Howard highlights the shift in public discourse as some supporters of Atlas's strategies attempt to reframe their past positions to appear more sympathetic towards children's education rather than admitting to their original intentions of using young people as a means to an end. This analysis is critical not just of Atlas but of the broader administration's handling of the pandemic, suggesting that a more measured, scientifically sound approach could have saved countless lives.
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 07 Jul 2024 | The Great Barrington Declaration's Doomed Herd Immunity Plan | 00:57:24 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the Great Barrington Declaration, a controversial document that proposed achieving herd immunity by allowing COVID-19 to spread among low-risk populations. They explore the impracticalities and dangers of this plan, the public's rejection of it, and the declaration's failure to protect vulnerable individuals. The discussion highlights the unrealistic expectations of the declaration's authors and the real-world consequences of their recommendations. This episode underscores the importance of practical, evidence-based public health strategies.
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 25 Nov 2024 | RFK Jr.’s Anti-Vaccine Appointments: A Dangerous Future for Public Health | 00:36:51 | |
This episode of We Want Them Infected delves into the implications of RFK Jr.'s recent nominations to lead major public health agencies, including his selection of anti-vaccine advocates for key roles. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent analyze the potential resurgence of preventable diseases such as measles, polio, and pertussis due to declining vaccination rates. They also critique the medical professionals and media figures who normalized RFK Jr.’s rhetoric, arguing that these individuals bear responsibility for the unfolding crisis. The hosts emphasize the critical need for accurate reporting on the pandemic records of public health leaders and call on listeners to urge their senators to oppose the confirmation of these controversial nominees. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 14 Jul 2024 | Fact-Checking Dr. Ioannidis' COVID-19 Statements | 00:32:40 | |
Jonathan Howard's latest podcast episode revisits the early COVID-19 predictions of Dr. John Ioannidis, a prominent figure known for his controversial stance on herd immunity and the pandemic's severity. Howard plays clips from Ioannidis' interviews and writings, highlighting significant discrepancies between his optimistic projections and the actual outcomes of the pandemic. The episode also addresses Ioannidis' views on vaccine side effects, contrasting them with the broader scientific consensus. Howard provides a thorough fact-check, drawing from various sources to debunk misleading claims and emphasize the importance of evidence-based approaches to public health. List of Resources
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
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| 01 Nov 2023 | We Want Them Infected Podcast Debut | 00:01:01 | |
We Want Them Infected is a conversation that will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about medical experts and vaccine skepticism. Our podcast reveals the hidden side of the COVID-19 pandemic, where influential doctors played a troubling role in spreading misinformation and fear. We talk about why We Want Them Infected isn't just a book; it's a call to action. Subscribe to the show and learn how the anti-vaccine movement went mainstream, affecting public health and trust in science. Are you ready?
About the authors: Dr. Jonathan Howard is a distinguished neurologist and psychiatrist based in New York City, practicing at NYU and Bellevue Hospital. His extensive background in neurology and psychiatry has made him a well-respected figure in the medical field. Dr. Howard has witnessed the profound impact of infectious diseases firsthand, especially during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. He brings his expertise and experience to the forefront in his work, podcast, and writing, shedding light on crucial issues related to infectious diseases and public health. Dr. Howard's dedication to accurate and evidence-based information has made him a trusted voice in the medical community, providing valuable insights into the challenges posed by pandemics and the importance of vaccination.
Wendy Orent is an American anthropologist and science writer with a focus on pandemics, biological weapons, and the evolution of infectious diseases. She is a freelance science writer whose work has appeared in "The Washington Post", "Aeon", "Undark Magazine", "The Sciences", "The Los Angeles Times", "The New Republic", "Discover", and "The American Prospect".
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| 17 Mar 2024 | The Doctors Advocating for Natural COVID Immunity | 00:38:52 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard takes a solo dive into the rationale behind some medical professionals' controversial endorsement of natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination to achieve herd immunity. Addressing a query from a listener, the podcast episode aims to uncover the motivations behind such a high-risk strategy, beyond the commonly cited reasons of greed and political influence. Throughout the episode, Howard examines the stance of several respected doctors from prestigious institutions who surprisingly supported the notion of purposeful exposure to the virus among the unvaccinated, particularly children and young adults. This approach starkly contrasts with the global push for vaccination and stringent public health measures. Central to the discussion is Dr. John Ioannidis, known for his early pandemic research that suggested COVID-19's infection fatality rate was significantly lower than initially feared, likening it to that of seasonal influenza. Ioannidis's viewpoints, including skepticism towards lockdowns and the emphasis on the severe potential side effects of pandemic containment measures, are dissected to understand the underpinning logic of the pro-infection movement. Howard critically navigates through Ioannidis's and others' assertions, contrasting them with the devastating impact of COVID-19 as it unfolded, highlighting the dangers of underestimating the virus's lethality and overestimating herd immunity's achievability without vaccines. The episode concludes on a reflective note, pondering the lessons learned from this pandemic approach and the importance of humility and adaptability in the face of evolving scientific evidence.
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The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals.
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| 29 Dec 2024 | When Evidence Fails to Convince: The Fallout of Vaccine Mistrust | 00:59:28 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle two deeply troubling articles advocating for RFK Jr.’s role in vaccine oversight. They dissect claims linking Kennedy to evidence-based medicine and highlight his role in the deadly Samoa measles outbreak, where misinformation sowed distrust and fueled a public health disaster. The hosts criticize calls for impossible vaccine trials and underscore the irresponsibility of anti-vaccine rhetoric. Wrapping up, they urge listeners to advocate against RFK Jr.’s potential nomination, stressing the critical importance of preserving public trust in vaccines. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 18 Aug 2024 | COVID Controversy: Are Doctors Using Tone Policing to Silence the Truth? | 00:49:48 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the harmful effects of tone policing within the medical community, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. They argue that tone policing is being used to protect prominent figures who have spread misleading information, such as Dr. John Ioannidis and Emily Oster, while silencing legitimate criticism. The hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining open debate and challenge the hypocrisy of those who prioritize politeness over truth, even as the pandemic continues to claim lives. The discussion underscores the need for transparency and accountability in public health discourse.
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 03 Dec 2023 | Pandemic Origins Explored | 00:32:10 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and expert Wendy Orent explore the contentious topic of a novel virus's origins. They examine the evolution of infectious diseases and the likelihood of laboratory involvement in the virus's emergence. The discussion revolves around the complexity of virus transmissibility, the historical context of virus outbreaks, and the challenges in pinpointing the exact origins. The conversation also addresses common conspiracy theories and the importance of scientific evidence over speculation.
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Looking for something specific? Here you go! 00:04:41 Origin of virus still uncertain. 00:09:56 No takeaway. 00:13:04 Origin of virus still uncertain. 00:16:23 Lab leak theory debunked. 00:24:11 Lab leak theory lacks evidence. 00:24:50 Lab-origin of virus unlikely. 00:33:14 Origin of virus likely from market. 00:34:33 Lab leak theory debunked. 00:39:45 Lab leak theory lacks evidence. 00:44:10 Bats have unique immune systems. 00:51:16 No conclusive evidence for origin.
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The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
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| 03 Mar 2024 | Strategies and Failures in COVID Management | 00:46:56 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, which proposes allowing COVID-19 to spread among unvaccinated children and young adults to achieve herd immunity. This strategy, according to the declaration, would protect vulnerable populations through "focused protection." Howard and Orent explore the ethical and logistical challenges of this approach, highlighting the difficulty in segregating vulnerable individuals from the rest of the population. They question the feasibility of creating an "impenetrable wall" to shield those at risk and critique the declaration's simplistic measures such as frequent testing in nursing homes, reduced staff rotation, and the delivery of essentials to the elderly. The hosts argue that the declaration overlooks the complexity of COVID-19 management, offering solutions that are either too vague, impractical, or have been actively undermined by its proponents. Through their discussion, they expose the declaration's failure to account for the broader social and economic implications of letting the virus run rampant among younger, supposedly less vulnerable groups. Ultimately, Howard and Orent's analysis reveals the Great Barrington Declaration as a flawed strategy, lacking in comprehensive planning and sensitivity to the realities of the pandemic. Their conversation underscores the importance of a balanced and ethical approach to public health that protects all individuals, regardless of their perceived vulnerability to COVID-19.
List of Resources:The Great Barrington Declaration - The official document outlining the declaration's approach to COVID-19 management. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - Offers updated guidelines and information on COVID-19, including measures to protect vulnerable populations. World Health Organization (WHO) - Provides a global perspective on COVID-19 management strategies, including critiques of herd immunity. Science-Based Medicine - Features critical analyses of health policies, including an article on the Great Barrington Declaration. New England Journal of Medicine - Contains detailed protocols for COVID-19 vaccine trials, offering insight into the scientific rigor of pandemic management. MedPage Today - Includes discussions and debates on the Great Barrington Declaration and herd immunity strategies. Hoover Institute - Hosts interviews and discussions with proponents of the Great Barrington Declaration, offering insights into their perspectives.
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content.
The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 19 Nov 2023 | COVID-19: Myths vs. Reality | 00:42:15 | |
In this episode, the hosts critically examine COVID-19 misinformation, focusing on the widespread myths that persisted during the pandemic. They discuss the controversial stance of Dr. John Ioannidis and others who underestimated COVID's impact and compared its dangers to everyday activities like driving. The episode highlights the serious consequences of these misconceptions, including the false notion that COVID only severely affected the elderly with pre-existing conditions, and addresses the damaging claim that doctors contributed to fatalities through premature intubations.
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Looking for something specific? Here you go! 00:00:00 COVID myths and misinformation persist.
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The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information. The creators of the podcast and book have made reasonable efforts to ensure that the information provided is accurate and up to date. However, as the field of medical science and the understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic continue to evolve, there may be new developments and insights that are not covered in this content. The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content. Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer. Please consult with appropriate experts and authorities for specific guidance on matters related to health, science, and the COVID-19 pandemic.
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| 23 Dec 2024 | RFK Jr., Medical Misinformation, and the Fight for America's Future | 00:59:45 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent address the rise of anti-vaccine rhetoric, focusing on RFK Jr.'s potential confirmation to a major public health position. They examine the role of high-profile doctors like Vinay Prasad and Martin Kulldorff in legitimizing RFK Jr.'s views and discuss the failure of medical leaders to challenge misinformation. Highlighting past outbreaks and the potential for future vaccine rollbacks, the duo warns of dire public health consequences, especially for children. They criticize platforms that profit from anti-science narratives while urging listeners to contact senators and oppose RFK Jr.'s confirmation. The episode underscores the urgent need for accountability and truth in public health discourse. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 11 Feb 2024 | The Fallacies of Comparing COVID to the Flu for Kids | 00:50:05 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the contentious issue of achieving herd immunity by infecting unvaccinated children and young adults with COVID-19. This approach, criticized for its ethical and scientific shortcomings, particularly overlooks the significant risks COVID-19 poses to children, contrary to the assertions of some health professionals and the Great Barrington Declaration. Howard and Orent correct a misquote from a previous episode and address disturbing listener feedback, underlining the podcast's role in challenging COVID-19 misinformation. They meticulously debunk the false equivalence between COVID-19 and influenza risks for children, highlighting the greater danger COVID-19 presents, contrary to the minimization by some experts. The discussion emphasizes the overlooked aspects of COVID-19, such as its broader spectrum of severe outcomes beyond death, and critiques the misleading arguments against vaccinating children. The hosts argue that the focus solely on mortality rates by proponents of natural herd immunity ignores the substantial morbidity and long-term effects associated with COVID-19 in children. The episode also critiques the misuse of data and misrepresentation of COVID-19's impact compared to influenza, showcasing the necessity of accurate information and ethical considerations in public health strategies. Howard and Orent's conversation underscores the importance of vaccination and protective measures for all age groups, challenging the dangerous narratives that have undermined public health efforts during the pandemic.
Resources mentioned: Great Barrington Declaration CDC COVID-19 Data Tracker "Science Says Open the Schools" by Dr. Scott Atlas in The Hill "The ill-advised push to vaccinate the young" by Martin Kuhldorf and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya in The Hill Statements from health professionals like Dr. Lucy McBride, Dr. Zubin Damania (ZDogg), and Dr. Vinay Prasad on COVID-19 and influenza comparisons Research and articles discussing COVID-19's impact on children, including hospitalization rates and long-term effects
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| 21 Jul 2024 | COVID Vaccines vs. Routine Childhood Vaccines | 01:01:25 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss a controversial Reuters article revealing a Pentagon-led secret anti-vax campaign aimed at discrediting China's Sinovac vaccine. They delve into the ethical implications and consequences of this campaign, highlighting the impact on public trust in vaccines. The hosts also address recent COVID-19 trends, vaccination debates, and the importance of maintaining routine childhood immunizations amidst the pandemic. List of Resources
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| 16 Feb 2025 | The Medical Leaders Who Refused to Stand Up | 01:04:02 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the disastrous confirmation of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as head of the HHS and the broader failure of medical and political leaders to confront misinformation.
They highlight how figures like Adam Sifu, Jeffrey Flier, and Stanford President Jonathan Levin failed to challenge the growing anti-science movement, normalizing dangerous narratives that have now taken hold in American policy. The gutting of NIH funding, the resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, and the continued gaslighting by figures like Vinay Prasad and John Mandrola all point to a grim future for public health. The episode serves as both a reflection on past failures and a warning for what comes next. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 02 Jun 2024 | Why Using Children as Human Shields for Herd Immunity Is a Dangerous Lie | 00:41:48 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the pro-infection movement that supports infecting unvaccinated children to achieve herd immunity. They discuss the recent conviction of Trump and the public's reaction, highlighting the parallels between political and medical misinformation. The episode critically examines statements made by figures like Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Vinay Prasad, pointing out their inconsistencies and the potential harm of their advocacy. The hosts stress the importance of relying on scientific evidence and the dangers posed by spreading misleading information.
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| 31 Oct 2024 | RFK Jr., Big Pharma, and Disinformation | 00:46:18 | |
Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent return to discuss the normalization of anti-vaccine and disinformation narratives within respected medical circles. They explore prominent doctors’ public support for RFK Jr., who has spread numerous vaccine-related conspiracy theories.
The episode critiques figures like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Marty McCary for endorsing Kennedy’s viewpoints and the potential risks if RFK's allies gain key health roles. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/
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| 28 Jan 2024 | PT3: The Great Barrington Declaration's Claims About Lockdowns | 01:03:23 | |
The COVID-19 pandemic has been a global crisis that has reshaped the way we live and interact with each other. Amid the chaos and uncertainty, various strategies and policies were implemented to curb the spread of the virus. One such strategy was lockdowns, which drew significant attention and debate throughout the pandemic. In this article, we delve into the Great Barrington Declaration, a document that criticized lockdowns as a response to the pandemic and offered an alternative perspective. We examine the arguments presented in the declaration, assess their validity, and explore the consequences of lockdown measures. Lockdowns: Definitions and Historical Context The Great Barrington Declaration begins by defining lockdowns as a set of measures that include closing schools, businesses, restricting travel, imposing curfews, and more. It emphasizes that such restrictions have never led to the eradication of a disease in history. While this claim is generally accurate, it fails to acknowledge the nuances of each pandemic and the various measures taken to combat them. For instance, lockdowns played a role in controlling pneumonic plague outbreaks in Manchuria in the early 20th century. The Efficacy of Lockdowns One of the core arguments in the Great Barrington Declaration is that lockdowns only delay the increase in cases for a finite period and come at a great cost. This perspective downplays the value of delaying the spread of the virus, which provides crucial time for medical advancements, such as vaccines and treatments, to emerge. Lockdowns can help prevent overwhelming healthcare systems, reduce mortality rates, and protect vulnerable populations. Government Responses and Lockdowns The declaration suggests that governments worldwide continued to impose lockdowns, despite their questionable effectiveness. However, it is essential to recognize that governments tailored their responses based on evolving scientific understanding and regional COVID-19 dynamics. Lockdowns were often implemented as a last resort when cases surged and hospital capacities were strained. Physical and Mental Health Impacts The Great Barrington Declaration highlights the physical health harms of lockdowns, including delayed medical care and lower vaccination rates. While there were disruptions in healthcare access, attributing all these issues solely to lockdowns oversimplifies the complex healthcare landscape during the pandemic. Moreover, the declaration minimizes the importance of delaying the virus's spread. Mental Health Impacts The declaration acknowledges the importance of social interactions but fails to address the nuanced impact of COVID-19 itself on mental health. Isolation and fear were widespread during the pandemic, and while mental health issues increased, the relationship between lockdowns and mental health is multifaceted. Some studies suggest that lockdowns may have prevented a surge in teen suicides. The Debate Over School Closures The Great Barrington Declaration argues that school closures disproportionately harm children. While in-person education is valuable, it overlooks the necessity of adapting to the challenges posed by a highly contagious virus. Keeping schools open without proper safety measures would have put students, teachers, and families at risk. Pulling it All Together The Great Barrington Declaration offers a critical perspective on lockdowns during the COVID-19 pandemic. However, it simplifies complex issues and minimizes the importance of delaying the virus's spread and protecting vulnerable populations. A comprehensive evaluation of pandemic responses must consider the evolving science, regional differences, and the need to adapt strategies as new information emerges.
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| 26 Nov 2023 | Separating Fact from Fiction in the Early Days | 00:47:24 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss various aspects of the COVID-19 pandemic, including the initial underestimation of the death toll by Dr. John Ioannidis. They address misconceptions such as the belief that people were dying with COVID, not of COVID, and the skepticism surrounding COVID-19 death certificates. Dr. Howard counters these claims by highlighting the challenges faced in the early stages of the pandemic, including limited testing availability. The discussion also touches on the impact of lockdowns and the belief that they caused more harm than good.
Furthermore, they challenge the notion that only elderly individuals were affected by COVID-19, emphasizing that the virus had a broader impact, even on younger individuals. The podcast explores the evolving nature of the virus and the long-term consequences that remain uncertain.
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| 04 Aug 2024 | How Anti-Vax Rhetoric is Endangering Children's Lives | 00:38:19 | |
In this episode, Dr. Howard and Wendy discuss the troubling trend of politicizing vaccines, focusing on recent comments by Trump and JD Vance against vaccine and mask mandates in schools. They explore the misinformation spread by notable figures like Marty McCary, who falsely claimed that no healthy children have died from COVID. The episode also addresses the alarming resurgence of COVID cases in San Francisco and the potential return of mask mandates. By debunking myths and highlighting the real risks COVID poses to children, especially those with conditions like asthma and obesity, the hosts aim to provide a clear and factual perspective on the importance of vaccinations. Resources
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| 12 Sep 2024 | The Lab Leak Theory and Zoonotic Diseases: Unpacking the Evidence | 00:52:53 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent delve into the debate over COVID-19’s origins, discussing the scientific evidence behind both the lab leak and natural transmission theories. They critique the rhetoric used by some public health figures and organizations like Biosafety Now, highlighting the contradictions in how lab safety and herd immunity have been framed during the pandemic. The episode concludes by emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to both lab safety and zoonotic disease prevention in future pandemic preparedness. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/
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| 10 Nov 2024 | The 5th of November: A Day of Reckoning for Public Health | 00:26:45 | |
The latest episode of We Want Them Infected dives into the unsettling consequences of the recent election, with RFK Jr. poised to gain significant influence over public health policy. Jonathan and Wendy lament the spread of misinformation and its role in shaping voter choices, particularly the anti-vaccine rhetoric promoted by influential figures like RFK Jr., Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty McCary. They worry about the potential rollback of school vaccine mandates, the erosion of CDC authority, and the long-term impact on disease prevention efforts.
The hosts call for a renewed focus on grassroots efforts to educate communities about the importance of vaccines and the dangers of disinformation, emphasizing the need to stay vigilant and continue fighting against false narratives. Despite their concerns, they maintain hope that local health departments can still provide some protection and urge listeners to advocate for truth and science in their daily interactions. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 21 Jan 2024 | PT2: Debating the Merits of the Great Barrington Declaration | 00:35:53 | |
The GBD, penned in October 2020, proposed an alternative strategy to the prevailing COVID-19 restrictions. It suggested that low-risk populations should be allowed to acquire natural immunity through infection, while high-risk groups, particularly the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions, receive focused protection. This approach, the authors argued, would lead to herd immunity, reducing overall societal and economic disruptions. Questionable Origins and Ideological UnderpinningsThe hosts addressed the origins of the GBD, noting its association with the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think tank. This connection raised questions about the ideological motives behind the declaration, potentially conflating public health policy with economic and political agendas. Jeffrey Tucker: A Controversial FigureCentral to the episode's critique was the examination of Jeffrey Tucker, a significant proponent of the GBD. Tucker's controversial views on child labor and pro-tobacco stances, as highlighted in the podcast, painted a picture of an individual whose ideologies might conflict with mainstream public health principles. The Impact on Public Health PolicyThe GBD's influence on public health policy has been substantial, igniting debates on pandemic management strategies. Its advocacy for herd immunity through natural infection contrasted sharply with the broader public health consensus advocating for vaccination and preventive measures. Closing: Learning from the PandemicThe analysis presented here underscores the complexities of pandemic management and the importance of scrutinizing the origins, motivations, and implications of public health policies. The Great Barrington Declaration, with its controversial stance and ideological underpinnings, serves as a case study in the critical evaluation of health policy during unprecedented times.
Resources mentioned: Great Barrington Declaration. Interviews and quotes from Dr. Scott Atlas and Dr. Jerome Adams. Statements from Dr. Vinay Prasad and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. Information about the American Institute for Economic Research. Articles and viewpoints of Jeffrey Tucker. COVID-19 pandemic response policies and their impacts. Various epidemiological studies and data cited in the podcast. Historical context of public health measures during the pandemic.
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| 10 Dec 2023 | The Misguided Quest for COVID Herd Immunity | 00:24:49 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard, in the absence of co-host Wendy Orent, explores the misconceptions and risky propositions around achieving herd immunity through natural COVID-19 infection. He references an article by Drs. de Souza and Dowdy from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, highlighting the true meaning of herd immunity and its relation to vaccination. Howard critiques various early claims and redefinitions of herd immunity during the pandemic, stressing the dangers of using children as 'human shields' in the quest for herd immunity. The episode underscores the importance of vaccination in preventing serious diseases like measles, mumps, polio, and chickenpox, and debunks myths about natural immunity being beneficial for children.
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| 01 Sep 2024 | RFK Jr.'s Controversial Moves and the Future of Anti-Vaccine Politics | 00:40:07 | |
In this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore recent COVID-19 developments, including a study from JAMA examining long-term outcomes of vaccine-induced myocarditis versus COVID-19 myocarditis. They discuss the implications of these findings, contrasting the media's portrayal of vaccine myocarditis with the actual data.
The conversation shifts to the controversial political landscape as RFK Jr. drops out of the presidential race to endorse Trump, highlighting his continued influence on the anti-vaccine movement.
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| 27 May 2024 | Vaccines and Variants: What Went Wrong in 2021? | 00:53:05 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the problematic communication surrounding COVID-19 vaccines in 2021. They highlight the overly optimistic claims made by several doctors and how these statements contributed to public mistrust when vaccines did not completely eliminate transmission or provide long-term immunity. The episode critiques the medical community's handling of vaccine messaging and emphasizes the importance of honesty and caution in public health communications.
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| 12 Jan 2025 | Rewriting Pandemic History and the Myth of Herd Immunity | 00:46:55 | |
In this episode, hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dissect the ongoing efforts to rewrite the history of the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly the role of the Great Barrington Declaration. They examine Dr. Edward Livingston's recent commentary on the document, which downplays its advocacy for herd immunity through mass infection and instead praises its criticism of lockdowns. Jonathan and Wendy expose how Livingston’s reframing and similar narratives contribute to the "Great Forgetting," erasing the devastating consequences of such proposals and the failure to protect vulnerable populations. They also critique the growing tendency to valorize empty statements like "I would have done this," highlighting the gap between words and actions in pandemic policy. As the conversation unfolds, they express concern over the potential impact of the incoming administration's policies, particularly on public health narratives. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 14 Jan 2024 | An Introduction to The Great Barrington Declaration | 00:40:47 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent take a deep dive into the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, a document that has stirred significant debate in the public health community. This declaration, penned by Dr. Sunita Gupta of Oxford, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, and Dr. Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, proposes a pandemic response strategy centered on achieving herd immunity through natural infection, particularly among younger, healthier populations. The Underestimation of COVID-19At the heart of the episode is a critical examination of how the declaration's authors may have underestimated the severity of COVID-19. The hosts reflect on early pandemic opinions, including those from John Ioannidis and Dr. Scott Atlas, that influenced the declaration. They discuss the implications of pursuing herd immunity without a vaccine and the potential risks to public health, especially considering the virus's impact on different age groups. Ethical Concerns and Scientific DebateA significant part of the discussion focuses on the ethical dilemmas posed by the declaration. The idea of intentionally allowing a segment of the population to be infected raises serious moral questions. The hosts challenge the notion that young people have an obligation to contract the virus, likening it to a "war" against COVID-19. The Role of Dr. Scott AtlasDr. Scott Atlas, a prominent figure in the Trump administration's COVID-19 response, is also discussed. His support for natural infection as a pathway to herd immunity is critically examined, with the hosts highlighting his statements from various interviews and articles. The Impact of Herd Immunity Without VaccinationThe episode does not shy away from discussing the historical context of herd immunity and its effectiveness in managing pandemics. The hosts argue that without vaccination, achieving lasting herd immunity may be an unattainable goal, citing examples from the history of diseases like measles and smallpox. Final WordsIn conclusion, the episode provides a comprehensive critique of the Great Barrington Declaration, emphasizing the need for a nuanced, ethical, and scientifically sound approach to pandemic management. The discussion underscores the complexities of public health decision-making in times of crisis and the importance of basing strategies on robust scientific evidence and ethical considerations.
Resources mentioned The Great Barrington Declaration Interviews and articles by Dr. Sunita Gupta, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and Dr. Martin Kulldorff John Ioannidis's Stat News article from March 17, 2020 Dr. Bhattacharya's Wall Street Journal article, "Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?" Dr. Martin Kulldorff's article, "COVID-19 countermeasures should be age specific" Dr. Scott Atlas's article, "Reentry After the Panic" Tucker Carlson's Fox News interview with Dr. Scott Atlas Twitter account @hypoautomatic Various scientific studies and data on COVID-19 mortality and transmission rates
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| 10 Mar 2024 | COVID Strategy Flaws | 01:00:01 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the complex and controversial strategies surrounding COVID-19, particularly focusing on the approach to infect unvaccinated individuals for herd immunity. They critique the Great Barrington Declaration's focus on protecting the elderly and other high-risk groups through measures like testing, reduced staff rotation, and non-admittance of COVID-19 affected individuals into nursing homes. They highlight the challenges and impracticalities of these measures, citing real-world examples and expert opinions. The conversation sheds light on the broader ethical and logistical issues in managing the pandemic and protecting vulnerable populations.
List of Resources:Great Barrington Declaration: Original document proposing focused protection as a way to manage the COVID-19 pandemic. Voices for Vaccines: Articles by Noah Lewis Ferdinand critiquing the Great Barrington Declaration. CDC Reports: Data and analyses on COVID-19 transmission dynamics and vaccination effectiveness. The New York Times: Articles on the ongoing challenges faced by nursing homes during the pandemic. Health and Human Services Reports: Insights into infection control lapses and staffing shortages in nursing homes. Connect with us further on jonathanhowardmd.com The Fine Print: The content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 02 Feb 2025 | The Death of Scientific Integrity in the Prasad Era | 01:14:04 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the shocking contradictions of those who once claimed to defend scientific dialogue but now cheerlead for mass censorship. They dissect the hypocrisy of figures like Vinay Prasad, Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty Makary—who spent years railing against censorship but remain silent as the new administration muzzles scientists, cancels NIH study sections, and defunds critical research.
They also examine Prasad’s crude, vengeful rhetoric and the complicity of his defenders, who tone-police critics while tolerating his unprofessionalism.
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| 06 Jan 2025 | From Semmelweis to Bhattacharya: Misguided Comparisons in Medicine | 01:06:44 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the controversial history of the Great Barrington Declaration, a document that advocated for herd immunity via natural infection, and its lasting impact on public health discourse. They critique the flawed claims made by its authors and discuss how the Declaration’s proponents have rewritten its history to align with more socially palatable narratives. The hosts draw parallels to historical missteps in medicine, such as the unethical Tuskegee study, and dismantle comparisons to figures like Ignaz Semmelweis. Highlighting the real-world consequences of these ideas, they explore the devastation during Florida’s Delta wave and challenge the notion that natural infection could protect the vulnerable. With Bhattacharya’s Senate confirmation looming, they propose key questions that should be asked to hold him accountable for his actions during the pandemic.
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| 03 Mar 2025 | No Flu Shots Next Year? RFK Jr. Cancels Key FDA Meeting | 00:51:19 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the growing public health disasters under RFK Jr.’s leadership at HHS. They cover the first measles death of a child in over 30 years, the cancellation of a crucial flu vaccine advisory meeting, and the termination of funding for a promising oral COVID vaccine trial.
Meanwhile, RFK Jr. moves to eliminate public commentary on HHS decisions, and scientific institutions continue to suffer massive cuts. They highlight the Orwellian doublespeak of Vinay Prasad and others who once demanded more RCTs—only to stay silent as Kennedy cancels them.
Finally, they introduce the Bill Cassidy Profile in Cowardice Award, recognizing the senator who had the power to stop this but chose not to. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 22 Sep 2024 | The Perils of Pandemic Revisionism: RFK Jr. and the Threat to Public Health | 00:45:26 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the dangerous world of pandemic revisionism and vaccine misinformation spearheaded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. They detail RFK Jr.'s extensive history of promoting anti-vaccine rhetoric and conspiracy theories, from false claims about COVID-19 targeting specific ethnic groups to his unfounded accusations linking vaccines to autism. The hosts warn about RFK Jr.’s recent alliance with Donald Trump and the frightening prospect of him influencing public health policies if Trump wins the 2024 election. Howard and Orient also stress the importance of resisting revisionist narratives about the pandemic and the harm that unchecked medical misinformation can cause. As the episode progresses, they outline the broader impact of such dangerous alliances, not just on public health, but on the very foundation of medical integrity. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/
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| 25 Aug 2024 | Dr. Prasad’s Inconsistent COVID-19 Vaccine Arguments | 00:45:48 | |
In this episode, the discussion centers around the spread of misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines by certain doctors, with a specific focus on Dr. Vinay Prasad. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critique Dr. Prasad's approach to public discourse about the pandemic, pointing out his contradictory statements and apparent disregard for scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of vaccines in children. They highlight how Dr. Prasad's fear-mongering over vaccine side effects predates any actual data on pediatric vaccines, suggesting a bias that undermines public health efforts. The episode underscores the dangers of such misinformation, particularly when it influences public perception and behavior during a global health crisis. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/
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| 28 Apr 2024 | Methodolatry & Madness: The Pitfalls of RCTs During a Pandemic | 01:00:03 | |
This episode of "We Want Them Infected" features a critical examination of the role and challenges of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orange discuss how the pandemic has tested the limits of RCTs, which are often considered the gold standard in medical research. They address the ethical concerns that arise when implementing RCTs during a crisis, such as the risk to participants and the feasibility of obtaining informed consent under emergency conditions. Jonathan shares his experience participating in an RCT for the AstraZeneca vaccine, highlighting both the personal commitment involved and the broader implications of such trials. The conversation also touches on the practical challenges faced by medical teams during the pandemic, including resource limitations and the psychological toll on healthcare workers. The hosts critique the weaponization of RCT rhetoric to undermine public health measures, discussing specific cases where RCTs were demanded as the only valid proof of effectiveness, despite the urgent need for timely action. They emphasize the importance of balancing scientific rigor with ethical responsibility and practicality, advocating for adaptive research methods that can respond to the dynamic nature of a global health emergency.
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| 26 Jun 2024 | Scientific Debate or Public Deceit? | 00:43:24 | |
This episode of "We Want Them Infected" explores the early pandemic predictions made by Dr. John Ioannidis and the subsequent misinformation that spread from credible academic sources to conspiracy theorists and political figures. Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orant analyze Ioannidis's claims, such as the prediction that only 40,000 Americans would die from COVID-19 and the assertion that most deaths were not directly caused by the virus. They also discuss the impact of these predictions on public perception and policy. The episode includes an open invitation for doctors criticized on the podcast to join for a civil and evidence-based debate, highlighting the importance of accurate information and scientific integrity.
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| 09 Mar 2025 | Measles Outbreak Exposes His Anti-Vaccine Legacy | 01:14:20 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent analyze the confirmation of Jay Bhattacharya to the NIH, lamenting the Senate’s failure to scrutinize his history of COVID misinformation.
They discuss RFK Jr.’s unexpected pro-vaccine article in response to the Texas measles outbreak, highlighting how real-world responsibility has forced him into an awkward position. Yet, despite acknowledging the measles vaccine’s effectiveness, Kennedy continues to pander to his anti-vaccine base by avoiding direct recommendations.
Meanwhile, the same misinformation tactics used to downplay COVID—claiming alternative causes of death, accusing doctors of malpractice, and insisting on "natural immunity"—are now being repurposed to minimize measles.
As public health agencies face political interference, the duo warns that science is under siege, and the consequences will be dire. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 16 Jun 2024 | I've Been Cancelled. Will Bari Weiss Care? | 00:55:40 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss Jonathan's recent experience of being cancelled, censored, and silenced. Jonathan shares his story about being disinvited from speaking at a conference because his talk was considered "too political." The conference organizers, fearing backlash from powerful politicians and the potential negative impact on their organization, decided to cancel his talk. Jonathan challenges prominent figures like Bari Weiss, who advocate for free speech, to come to his defense. The episode critiques the misinformation spread by prominent doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic, emphasizing the contrast between genuine scientific discourse and the misleading information propagated by some well-known figures. Jonathan highlights how these doctors, despite their prestigious credentials, have contributed to the spread of COVID-19 misinformation and have influenced public health policies negatively. He contrasts their influence with that of known anti-vaxxers like Kelly Brogan, noting that while the latter's influence was predictable, the former's was more insidious due to their respected positions. The episode also underscores the real-world consequences of such misinformation, comparing it to the imaginary world these doctors seemed to inhabit. Jonathan and Wendy discuss the importance of accurate information and the dangers of allowing political influences to dictate scientific discourse. Key Points:
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| 30 Jun 2024 | Doctors Who Called COVID Over Too Soon | 02:02:11 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the premature declarations of herd immunity made by various doctors during the COVID-19 pandemic. They revisit statements by Dr. Marty McCary, Dr. Monica Gandhi, Dr. Lucy McBride, and others who incorrectly claimed that the pandemic was nearly over, even as new variants like Delta and Omicron emerged. The hosts discuss the impact of these false claims on public health and trust in medical professionals, emphasizing the need for accurate information and responsible communication. They explore how these declarations contributed to complacency and undermined efforts to control the virus. The episode underscores the importance of accountability and the role of hindsight in evaluating past public health strategies.
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| 26 Jan 2025 | The Rise of Dr. Marty Makary | 00:57:55 | |
Dr. Marty Makary’s controversial positions during the COVID-19 pandemic have sparked debate over his suitability to lead the FDA. Despite his early rationality in addressing the crisis, he shifted to downplaying the virus’s impact, overstating natural immunity, and spreading dubious claims about vaccine-related myocarditis. The episode also highlights his misleading narratives about pediatric COVID risks and corporate entanglements. The hosts question how his past actions, driven by political and ideological motives, align with public health values and warn of the potential damage his leadership could inflict. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 26 Mar 2025 | Misguided Theories & Missing Data: Revisiting the GBD’s Legacy | 01:05:32 | |
This episode critically examines In COVID's Wake by Princeton professors Steven M. and Francis Lee, focusing on their defense of the Great Barrington Declaration. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent argue that the authors downplay the catastrophic errors of the GBD architects, who pushed for herd immunity through mass infection while opposing vaccines, masks, and lockdowns. The discussion highlights the disconnection between political science theorizing and real-world public health outcomes. Using Florida as a case study, they showcase the tragic failures of the GBD’s approach, debunking the revisionist portrayal of its policies as reasonable or compassionate. The episode underscores the importance of accurately remembering the pandemic’s scientific realities and human costs. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 18 Feb 2024 | Sweden's COVID Strategy and Its Consequences | 00:44:23 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the contentious approach Sweden took towards managing the COVID-19 pandemic. Sweden's strategy, characterized by an avoidance of lockdowns and an emphasis on herd immunity, has been a subject of international scrutiny and debate. The hosts explore the implications of keeping schools open, the minimal use of masks, and the lack of social distancing measures in educational settings. As the episode unfolds, Howard and Orent critique the Great Barrington Declaration's influence on Sweden's pandemic policies, challenging the declaration's assertions with evidence of the strategy's shortcomings. The tragic outcomes, particularly the high death tolls in nursing homes and the subsequent reversal of policies, are highlighted to question the initial underestimation of the virus's impact. The podcast provides an insightful analysis, urging listeners to consider the complex realities of pandemic management beyond simplistic narratives of success or failure. It serves as a reminder of the critical need for informed and adaptable public health strategies in the face of evolving challenges. List of Resources:
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| 19 Jan 2025 | Science or Spectacle? When Doctors Play Politics with Pandemics | 01:15:06 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent confront the troubling trend of downplaying the consequences of pandemic misinformation. They tackle RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine legacy and its normalization by influential doctors, explore the Great Barrington Declaration’s advocacy for mass infection, and critique the intellectual theater around pandemic debates. The hosts highlight how these debates often overshadow the human toll of COVID, with 15 million lives lost globally. The episode also delves into the lab leak theory, emphasizing the need to focus on pandemic prevention over origin speculation.
Howard and Orent challenge the narrative that figures like Jay Bhattacharya and RFK Jr. offer viable leadership for public health, urging accountability and truth over spectacle. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 13 Nov 2023 | Predictions vs. Reality: Examining Dr. Loannidis' Claims | 00:58:26 | |
In this discussion, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the early responses to the COVID-19 pandemic and the role of Dr. John E. Loannidis, a renowned scientist. They examine his initial underestimation of the virus's impact, the flaws in his predictions, and his shifting perspectives over time.
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Looking for something specific? Here you go! 0:00 - Introduction to the podcast episode discussing early pandemic responses and hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent. 3:10 - Discussion about Dr. John E. Loannidis and his role in questioning COVID-19 data and his contributions to evidence-based medicine. 3:52 - Dr. Loannidis' reputation as an expert in scientific methodology and evidence-based research, along with his early recognition of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud. 12:24 - Reference to early pandemic concerns in Italy and New York and Dr. Loannidis' initial prediction of COVID-19's impact. 12:45 - Confirmation of the severity of the situation in Italy and New York during the early pandemic and Dr. Ioannidis' early prediction of 40,000 deaths in the USA. 16:05 - Analysis of Dr. Loannidis' prediction of 40,000 deaths and its accuracy, along with discussion of the Santa Clara antibody study and its criticism. 16:07 - Details about the Santa Clara antibody study, its implications, and criticism of its methodology and accuracy. 17:50 - Introduction to a discussion on a Fox News interview with Dr. Loannidis, his background, and credentials, as well as his early skepticism about COVID-19 data and revised assessment of fatality rates.
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| 02 Nov 2023 | "The Misinformation Started Right Away..." | 00:48:42 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard, a neurologist and psychiatrist, and Co-Host, Wendy Orent, discuss the emergence of the anti-vaccine movement, particularly focusing on doctors who have contributed to spreading vaccine skepticism. They examine the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the influence of certain doctors, and the alarming mainstreaming of anti-vaccine rhetoric.
About the authors: Dr. Jonathan Howard is a distinguished neurologist and psychiatrist based in New York City, practicing at NYU and Bellevue Hospital. His extensive background in neurology and psychiatry has made him a well-respected figure in the medical field. Dr. Howard has witnessed the profound impact of infectious diseases firsthand, especially during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. He brings his expertise and experience to the forefront in his work, podcast, and writing, shedding light on crucial issues related to infectious diseases and public health. Dr. Howard's dedication to accurate and evidence-based information has made him a trusted voice in the medical community, providing valuable insights into the challenges posed by pandemics and the importance of vaccination.
Wendy Orent is an American anthropologist and science writer with a focus on pandemics, biological weapons, and the evolution of infectious diseases. She is a freelance science writer whose work has appeared in "The Washington Post", "Aeon", "Undark Magazine", "The Sciences", "The Los Angeles Times", "The New Republic", "Discover", and "The American Prospect".
Looking for something specific? Here you go! 02:15 - Early Misinformation and COVID Minimization 07:30 - Rise of Conspiracy Theories 12:45 - The Formal Movement to Infect Young People 17:20 - The Influence of Pandemic Skeptics 23:10 - Impact on Vaccination Efforts 28:55 - The Fight Against Misinformation
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| 31 Mar 2024 | Dissecting the Great Barrington Declaration | 00:58:06 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent engage in a comprehensive critique of the movement advocating for herd immunity through natural infection among unvaccinated populations. They dissect the flawed arguments presented in early pandemic responses, highlighting Dr. Jay Bhattacharya's controversial statements and the backlash from the scientific community. The episode critically analyzes the Great Barrington Declaration, its implications, and its failure to address the complexities of COVID-19 management effectively. Through their discussion, Howard and Orant explore the broader consequences of misinformation and the ethical considerations in public health strategies, emphasizing the importance of vaccination and accurate scientific communication.
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| 17 Mar 2025 | RFK Jr. Wanted to “Study” Vaccines—Now a Child Is Dead | 01:13:46 | |
In this episode of Therapy Time with Jonathan and Wendy, hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the growing measles outbreak in the U.S. and how it exposes the deadly consequences of RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine agenda. With 259 cases in Texas alone, including 34 hospitalizations and two deaths, the hosts discuss how this outbreak was entirely preventable—yet fueled by years of misinformation from figures like RFK Jr. and his allies. Dr. Howard reflects on an invitation he received to speak with a filmmaker producing a documentary on the Great Barrington Declaration, questioning whether it will present the truth or further rewrite pandemic history. Meanwhile, Wendy highlights RFK Jr.’s bizarre response to the measles crisis—suggesting vitamin A, cod liver oil, and steroidsover vaccines. The discussion expands to doctors and public figures who once defended RFK Jr., including Vinay Prasad, Jay Bhattacharya, and Marty Makary, all of whom promoted his nomination as a supposed reformer of public health. Now, with RFK Jr. dismantling vaccine initiatives, canceling flu shot studies, and pushing for a new "study" on vaccines and autism, Jonathan and Wendy ask: Where are the apologies? Other key topics include:
As the anti-vaccine movement gains more power, Jonathan and Wendy underscore a terrifying reality: We are watching public health be systematically dismantled—and children are paying the price.
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| 10 Feb 2025 | The War on Science: Trump’s Purge of Public Health Experts | 01:16:05 | |
In this episode of We Want Them Infected, Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the catastrophic turn of events in public health and science policy under the Trump administration.
RFK Jr. is poised to take control of the U.S. Health Department, the NIH has been gutted, and the CDC is actively censoring critical data. They examine how misinformation doctors like Vinay Prasad and Jay Bhattacharya helped normalize the war on science, how academia failed to respond, and why these cuts will have devastating long-term effects. Finally, they reflect on their own past misjudgments and the lessons learned in this bleak new reality. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 24 Mar 2024 | Herd Immunity: Scientific Optimism or Public Health Hazard? | 00:44:03 | |
Hosts Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent critically examine the strategy of intentionally infecting unvaccinated populations to reach herd immunity. The discussion revisits predictions made by health experts in the early stages of the pandemic, highlighting how optimistic expectations often fell short in the face of evolving challenges, such as the emergence of new variants. The conversation covers significant dates and statements from various health experts, analyzing their implications and the reality of their outcomes. The hosts discuss the ethical and practical considerations of exposing children and young adults to the virus, questioning the morality and feasibility of such approaches. Reflecting on the journey of the pandemic, the episode emphasizes the complexity of herd immunity as a concept and its role in public health strategy. It calls for a nuanced understanding of herd immunity, recognizing the importance of vaccination and the limitations of natural infection in controlling the spread of COVID-19. Through this detailed examination, "We Want Them Infected" provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of herd immunity, challenging previous assumptions and advocating for a more cautious and evidence-based approach to ending the pandemic.
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| 11 Aug 2024 | What If Herd Immunity Was Never Possible? | 00:45:10 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the controversial topic of herd immunity in the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore how early beliefs in natural immunity, touted by prominent figures, have been debunked by the ongoing waves of COVID reinfections and deaths. The discussion highlights how some experts have attempted to redefine herd immunity to cover up their past mistakes, and the duo emphasizes the importance of admitting errors rather than misleading the public.
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| 06 May 2024 | Vaccine Myocarditis and Youth Risks | 00:42:29 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent explore the concerns around vaccine myocarditis in children, emphasizing the rarity and mild nature of this side effect in the context of broader COVID-19 impacts. They provide a detailed analysis of the incidence and severity of COVID-19 among different age groups, underlining the disproportionate effects on black and Hispanic children. The hosts critically examine the statistical representation of COVID-related deaths and hospitalizations, shedding light on underestimation and overestimation issues. By comparing the effects of the disease and the side effects of the vaccine, they argue for the importance of vaccination, supported by numerous studies indicating lower risks of severe outcomes from vaccination compared to infection. The episode serves as an informative session on making informed health decisions based on scientific evidence. List of Resources:
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| 26 Feb 2024 | Vaccine Hesitancy in the Age of COVID | 00:40:49 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackled the contentious issue of measles outbreaks in New Orleans and Florida, placing a spotlight on the unconventional public health advice dispensed by Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. Ladapo’s guidance, which diverged from traditional outbreak management by allowing unvaccinated children to attend school, sparked widespread concern among public health professionals and vaccination advocates. The discussion extended beyond the immediate crisis, addressing the influence of anti-vaccine rhetoric, notably from figures associated with the Great Barrington Declaration, on public health strategies.The episode critically examined the implications of such policies on the broader goal of maintaining high vaccination rates against preventable diseases. Howard and Orant highlighted the danger of conflating the discourse around COVID-19 vaccines with other vaccination efforts, suggesting that such debates could erode trust in vaccines more generally. They pointed out the irony in the arguments of some anti-vaccine advocates, who, despite lacking expertise in infectious diseases, have significantly influenced public perceptions and policies.By dissecting statements from various public figures and comparing the responses to measles and COVID-19, the hosts underscored the inconsistency and potential harm in minimizing the impact of COVID-19 on children while overstating the safety of foregoing measles vaccinations. The podcast served as a call to action for a more informed and consistent approach to public health, emphasizing the necessity of trusting scientific consensus over politically or ideologically motivated guidance.In delving into the complex landscape of vaccine hesitancy, the episode illuminated the critical role of trust and accurate information in combating infectious diseases. The hosts' discussion was a stark reminder of the challenges facing public health officials in navigating the delicate balance between individual freedoms and the collective good in the fight against preventable diseases.
List of Resources:Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): For the latest guidelines, data, and research on measles and other vaccine-preventable diseases.
World Health Organization (WHO): Provides global insights on vaccination, disease outbreaks, and health policy recommendations.
The History of Vaccines: An educational resource by The College of Physicians of Philadelphia detailing the history and science of vaccination.
Vaccine Confidence Project: Research and reports on public confidence in vaccines and the impact of misinformation.
Science-Based Medicine: Articles and critiques on medical practices, including the discussion on vaccines vs. anti-vaccine movements.
STAT News: For in-depth health reporting, including articles by Helen Branswell mentioned in the show.
The Lancet: Peer-reviewed medical journal with research and commentary on health, policy, and diseases.
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health: Offers resources and courses on epidemiology, infectious diseases, and public health principles.
National Foundation for Infectious Diseases (NFID): Information on disease prevention, including vaccination awareness campaigns.
Immunize.org: Provides practical and factual vaccine information for healthcare professionals and the public.
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| 23 Feb 2025 | Mass Firings at the NIH & CDC: What Comes Next? | 01:00:43 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent discuss the devastating consequences of public health misinformation, the rise of RFK Jr.'s influence, and the sweeping purges at institutions like the CDC, FDA, and NIH.
They examine how once-dismissive medical professionals are now reckoning with the damage as funding cuts and anti-vaccine policies take hold. The hosts also reflect on the role of social media in enabling misinformation and the hypocrisy of those who ignored warning signs for years. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 09 Jun 2024 | The Dark Truth About COVID-19 Natural Immunity Claims | 00:47:46 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent focus on the escalating hostility towards Dr. Anthony Fauci, spurred by political rhetoric and the divisive stances of certain doctors advocating for herd immunity. They explore the history of Fauci's comments on masks, the critiques from the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, and the broader implications of these conflicts for public health. The episode also touches on the parallels drawn between current public health debates and historical examples of persecuted scientists, emphasizing the detrimental impact of misinformation and personal attacks on public health efforts.
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| 17 Nov 2024 | Fauci’s Foes: The New Era of Public Health Scapegoating" | 00:42:45 | |
Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent trace the evolution of COVID-19 discourse from the early calls for open scientific debate to the current atmosphere of hostility and revenge.
They examine the shift in tone from figures like Vinay Prasad, who initially warned against demonizing heterodox views, to now using inflammatory language that fuels public outrage against scientists and public health officials. The discussion highlights the rise of dangerous populist narratives that threaten the integrity of the public health system, with explicit calls for purges, prosecutions, and dismantling of vaccine mandates.
Drawing historical comparisons to Soviet pseudoscience, Howard and Orent emphasize the alarming potential for misuse of political power against scientists, underscoring the risk to future pandemic responses and public trust in vaccines. The episode ends with Howard’s anticipation of his upcoming debate against Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, where he plans to use the very words of the Great Barrington Declaration proponents to expose their inconsistencies. Connect with us further on https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/jonathanhoward/The Fine PrintThe content presented in the "We Want Them Infected" Podcast and associated book is intended for informational and educational purposes only.
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| 30 Mar 2025 | CDC Collapse in Real Time | 01:41:40 | |
In their most urgent and emotionally charged episode yet, Dr. Jonathan Howard and science journalist Wendy Orent confront the accelerating unraveling of public health institutions in the United States under the RFK Jr. administration. They open with a flood of disturbing headlines:
Howard and Orent don’t hold back. They rip into this dystopian reversal of public health, where disinformation peddlers are now calling the shots. They highlight the sheer absurdity and danger of putting figures like Jay Bhattacharya, Scott Atlas, and Geier in positions of power—people who have spent years sowing distrust in vaccines, downplaying COVID, and demonizing public health measures. The episode draws a brutal contrast between the lived reality of frontline doctors and essential workers—many of whom died in early pandemic waves—and the self-styled martyrs of the anti-lockdown movement, who now paint themselves as victims. One particularly enraging example: Bhattacharya’s claim that he felt “unsafe” on Stanford’s campus after a flyer was posted with his own quote alongside Florida’s Delta wave death tolls. This, while over 20,000 Floridians died in that wave, many unvaccinated due to the policies he championed. A major target of their critique is the book In COVID’s Wake, which they say rewrites history by glorifying the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration and ignoring the real human toll of their misinformation. Orent and Howard dismantle the book’s central claim—that these anti-lockdown figures were treated unfairly—pointing out that many of them became media darlings, got promoted, or were appointed to powerful roles. Meanwhile, real scientists and doctors who fought on the frontlines were ignored, censured, or worse. They also expose the cynical “woke-washing” by these same figures—claiming to champion the poor and marginalized while promoting policies that left essential workers unprotected. Their concern for “equity,” Howard and Orent argue, was nothing more than rhetorical cover for libertarian, laissez-faire ideology. As the episode barrels toward its conclusion, one message becomes chillingly clear: And as Dr. Howard puts it:
This episode is a searing call to action. For scientists. For journalists. For anyone who still believes in truth, public health, and protecting the vulnerable. Because as Orent warns:
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| 20 May 2024 | The Real Cost of School Closures During COVID-19 | 00:50:04 | |
Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent tackle the contentious issue of school closures during the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore the narrative that school closures were merely a choice influenced by cautious politicians and unions, contrasting it with the reality that the virus itself forced many schools to shut down. The hosts discuss the devastating effects on students, teachers, and families, highlighting cases of illness, death, and the rise in COVID orphans.
They also criticize certain medical professionals for advocating mass infection strategies and collaborating with child labor proponents. The episode aims to debunk pandemic revisionism and emphasize the real costs of the pandemic on education and public health.
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| 13 May 2024 | Disputed Data: The Ongoing Debate Over COVID's Cardiac Effects | 00:48:23 | |
The episode explores the complex narrative surrounding COVID-19's impact on cardiac health and the conflicting views on vaccine-induced myocarditis.By examining the discourse and publications of medical conservatives, the hosts illustrate a significant discrepancy in how COVID-19 cardiac problems are portrayed compared to those related to the vaccine. Highlighting specific cases and statistical misinterpretations presented by doctors like Prasad and Mandrola, the episode argues that such narratives could lead to public misunderstanding about the risks of COVID-19 compared to the relatively minor risks associated with the vaccine. The discussion extends to the broader implications of such medical communications during crises, emphasizing the need for balanced, data-driven information.
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| 07 Apr 2024 | The Cost of COVID-19 Decisions | 01:02:04 | |
The conversation scrutinizes the advocacy for herd immunity as a response to COVID-19, highlighting the ethical and practical issues with targeting unvaccinated children and young adults for infection. It explores the aftermath of the Great Barrington Declaration, including minimized concerns for COVID-19 variants and opposition to vaccinations for children. Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent also address the negative repercussions on healthcare services and education, underscoring the dissonance between initial pandemic strategies and subsequent reassessments of those approaches. The hosts emphasize the importance of reflecting on the pandemic's handling to understand the implications of decision-making during health crises.
List of Resources:Great Barrington Declaration - An open letter advocating for a herd immunity approach to handling the COVID-19 pandemic. CDC Reports - Documents detailing the impact of COVID-19 on healthcare systems and the effectiveness of vaccines. Science-Based Medicine Articles - Analyses critiquing the scientific basis and implications of pandemic policies. Interviews with Dr. Scott Atlas - Various media appearances where Dr. Atlas discusses his views on COVID-19 management. House Sub-Select Committee Report - "The Atlas Dogma" report, evaluating Dr. Atlas's influence on the U.S. pandemic response.
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
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| 21 Apr 2024 | The Evolution of Dr. Prasad's Views on Vaccines | 00:51:36 | |
The focus of today’s episode turned to Dr. Vinay Prasad, a once-distinguished oncologist who has become a leading advocate for the controversial pro-infection movement. Hosts Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent criticized Prasad's shift towards advocating for natural COVID-19 infection over vaccination in children, an approach they argue is both unethical and scientifically unfounded. The discussion highlighted Prasad's journey from a reputable medical expert to a figure promoting potentially harmful public health strategies. By tracing his public statements and writings, the hosts illustrated how his views have evolved, seemingly influenced by anti-vaccine rhetoric and the misinterpretation of scientific data. They pointed out the contradiction between Prasad's earlier professional achievements and his current advocacy, which includes supporting exposure to COVID-19 in children as a means to achieve herd immunity. The episode also touched on the broader implications of promoting such ideas, particularly the risk they pose to pediatric health and the potential erosion of public trust in vaccinations and established medical guidance. The hosts argued that this approach could lead to increased susceptibility to preventable diseases, not just for individuals but for public health at large. This stark transformation in Prasad's professional stance serves as a cautionary tale about the influence of misinformation in medicine and the delicate balance required in public health policy. As the debate over natural immunity versus vaccination continues, the episode underscores the importance of grounding public health strategies in robust scientific evidence and ethical considerations. List of Resources
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The views and opinions expressed by the speakers, hosts, and guests on the podcast do not necessarily reflect the views of the creators, producers, or distributors. The information provided in this podcast should not be considered as a substitute for professional medical, scientific, or legal advice. Listeners and readers are encouraged to consult with relevant experts and authorities for specific guidance and information.
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The creators are not responsible for any errors or omissions in the content or for any actions taken based on the information provided. They disclaim any liability for any loss, injury, or damage incurred by individuals who rely on the content.
Listeners and readers are urged to use their judgment and conduct their own research when interpreting the information presented in the "We Want Them Infected" podcast and book. It is essential to stay informed about the latest updates, guidelines, and recommendations related to COVID-19 and vaccination from reputable sources, such as government health agencies and medical professionals. By accessing and using the content, you acknowledge and accept the terms of this disclaimer.
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