Undermine (Osiris Media)

For the Season 2 closer of Under the Scales, Mockingbird member Scott Marks - also known as @bizarchive - helps Tom rank the best New Years shows in the Phish 3.0 era. Originally released in 2018. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Evening Song. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Festival Circuit: New Orleans. In this episode, we’re going to explore the late night music scene around jazz fest. We hear from George Porter, Papa Mali and Robert Walter about the magic of one-time late night collaborations, and we talk with Irma Thomas about performing with Allen Toussaint on the President. We also explore the growth of Frenchmen Street as a destination, the legacy of Tipitina’s, and amazing late night shows over the past 50 years.  If you like the show, please subscribe and share, and leave a review. Thank you.  Festival Circuit is presented by Osiris Media. This series is Narrated and Produced by Rob Steinberg. Executive Producers are Christina Collins, Andrew Goodwin and RJ Bee, who also double duties as series writer and creator. Produced, Edited and Mixed by Matt Dwyer. Show logo by Liz Bee. The theme song is “JazzFest Time,” by Circus Mind. Thanks to our partners at WWOZ. To check out more shows that help deepen the connection to music you love, please visit OsirisPod.com.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kelly Morris, creator of the captivating video accompaniment to the Phish song 'More', tells us what MORE she has in store! Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- That's right folks, we brought the draft back and we brought it back real serious like. We're drafting Tweezers. Please give us a call at (484) 416-0488 and leave us your thoughts and questions! And give us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.  The Helping Friendly Podcast is hosted and produced by Brian Brinkman, Megan Glionna, Jonathan Hart, and RJ Bee. Brought to you by Osiris Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve Pollak, also known as THE DUDE OF LIFE, talks to me about the early days with Trey in Taft and brings us up to the present musically. Originally released in 2016. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us for this special report, where Tom and Benjy talk through the new songs. This is part 2! Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The second half of the Benjy Eisen interview in which we cover Phish and Reed Mathis...oh, and life and lyrics. Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tom speaks with Brando Rich of CashOrTrade.org. Platinum tickets, hoarding, scalping and more are discussed, and how new technology is helping to get face-value tickets into fan’s hands. The ticket secondary market is examined. Buyers often face steep markups, but there are new methods being employed to get more face-value tickets to fans. Produced by revoicemedia.com. Originally released in 2019. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

RJ and Tom dive deeply to examine the Phish song Leaves. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A new type of episode, in which Tom answers your questions, or at least makes an attempt... Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Phish’s song David Bowie combines quirky lyrics with an intricate musical arrangement that’s fit for a symphony. Starting with a discussion of the spirit and substance of this song, and a focus on the 8/29/87 version, Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein then use 1980s Phish to examine other notable bands from the decade like Minutemen, Yo La Tengo, Hüsker Dü, and R.E.M.  Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're hearing a lot about diversity and inclusion these days (which is great!) but as we'll learn in this episode, those two words and what they stand for are at the very core of what guided the earliest days of Newport Folk and Jazz over sixty years ago, continuing to this day. And as we know, there is still much work to be done to make our world a just and equal place. Listen in as the women of Our Native Daughters share the experience of their powerful performance at Newport in 2019, their mission of amplifying the perspectives of Black American women from the time of slavery through the present, and discuss the ongoing need for better representation across genres - in particular Americana and Country - that have their roots in the black community, and at events like Newport Folk. Amplifying women's voices, and women of color, is an important part of this conversation, too, and Yola speaks on the importance of The Highwomen's debut at Newport Folk and Brandi Carlile's all female headlining set, as well as her own sense of purpose in occupying and owning space in what is currently an overwhelmingly white genre. We dive into the history of Newport and why the insistence racial equality and diversity of its lineups was an especially personal mission of George Wein's - one that he carried to New Orleans when creating Jazz Fest alongside the parents of Preservation Hall's Ben Jaffe. and how that festival in turn helped to integrate New Orleans. And Colin Meloy and Judy Collins join us to talk about folk music's history as a tool for organizing and empowering the disenfranchised, especially through the voice of Pete Seeger. The fight continues to surround hate and force it to surrender. Festival Circuit: Newport Folk is presented by Osiris Media, and hosted by Carmel Holt. It is co-written, co-produced and edited by Carmel and Julian Booker, who is also the series' audio engineer. Production assistance from Zach Brogan. Executive producers are RJ Bee and Christina Collins. Show Logo and art by Mark Dowd.  The series theme music is "Ruminations Pt. 3 (Afternoon Haze)" by Steven Warwick. Thanks to Billy Glassner of the Newport Festivals Foundation for providing archival audio. Additional archival audio provided by the Alan Lomax Collection at the American Folklife Center, Library of Congress, courtesy of the Association for Cultural Equity. And many thanks to our folk family guests Amythyst Kiah, George Wein, Ben Jaffe, Bob Boilen, Leyla McCalla, Rhiannon Giddens, Allison Russell, Yola, Colin Meloy, Judy Collins, Martin Anderson, Phil and Brad Cook, Jay Sweet, Holly Laessig, Jess Wolfe, Brittany Howard, Brian Lima and Allison Pangakis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How did a band with no major label from a small city in Northern Vermont become one of the biggest bands in music within a decade? What were the origins of Phish and what laid the foundation for their cultural timeline and organic growth? In the first episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall brings in the perspectives of fans and collaborators who saw their rise in Vermont and helped to create the scene that was critical as the band found their groove and structure in the early 80s.  Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company. Visit SunsetLakeCBD.com and use the promo code UNDERMINE for 20% off your purchase of premium quality CBD products. Start your path toward investments that align with your values. Visit www.greenfuturewealth.com and mention "Osiris" when scheduling your free virtual consultation to receive your free investment report. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Phish tour is back, and so is the Helping Friendly Podcast! HF Pod On Tour will feature live video Quick Hits at 1pm the day after every show—on Osiris Media's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube channels. We'll also have podcast episodes every Tuesday with a rundown of the tour thus far. Featuring great conversation, fans who were at the shows, and lots of laughs and music. Subscribe to the Helping Friendly Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. We'll also be doing a very special event around Dick's, and an amazing contest that will be announced soon. HF Pod On Tour is presented by Shift Cannabis. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

RJ and I talk to Andy Greenberg, guitarist for Phish cover-band Runaway Gin. Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Phan Art Pete (Mason) created a vibrant art enterprise which has grown beyond the Phish community where it started. And that's just ONE thing he's doing…Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us. Originally released in 2016. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jam Cruise Director, Loveboat Hostess, Tanuary, Mother Duck…call her what you will, Annabel Lukins will surprise you with her accomplishments, her love of music, and the depth of her abilities to thrive in the music business and be (actual) friends with everyone she encounters. Originally released in 2018. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How did a college project about the mythical land of Gamehendge become one of the most intriguing pieces of Phish lore? And how did The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday fit into the evolution of Phish in the important years of 1987 and 1988? In this episode of Undermine, RJ, Matt, Jonathan and Brad discuss Phish in 1987 and 1988, including how the band’s sound changed as they solidified into the four-piece they are today, how new songs changed their playing and approach to the live shows, the importance of The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, and how an excursion to Colorado in 1988 affected the band’s development.  Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to episode 5 of Festival Circuit: New Orleans. In this final episode, we wrap things up by looking at what the future holds for live music and jazz fest and how the music industry needs to change, and we pay tribute to some of the people who made New Orleans music what it is today. We include an interview with Tank from Tank and the Bangas, and hear from many other interviewees as well.  As we mentioned at the end of the episode, we'd love to hear from you. We want to know what festival you’d like to see covered, or what you liked most about this series. Give us a review on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, and mention your feedback in the review. Or, you can send us an email at FestivalCircuit@OsirisPod.com. We read them all, and appreciate the feedback and input.  Festival Circuit is presented by Osiris Media. This series is Narrated and Produced by Rob Steinberg. Executive Producers are Christina Collins, Andrew Goodwin and RJ Bee, who also double duties as series writer and creator. Produced, Edited and Mixed by Matt Dwyer. Show logo by Liz Bee. The theme song is “JazzFest Time,” by Circus Mind. Thanks to our partners at WWOZ. To check out more shows that help deepen the connection to music you love, please visit OsirisPod.com.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kevin Statesir, Trey’s brother-in-law and founder of the Burlington Vermont music venue Higher Ground, joins Tom in the studio to discuss Phish from a family perspective, and also how Higher Ground has become an integral piece in the Vermont music puzzle these days. Kevin’s long history in the music biz includes brushes with John Lennon and Keith Richards. Kevin also discusses Trey’s efforts to help with the hurricane-ravaged island of Tortola, Please check out http://trey.com/tortola-relief/ to learn more. Originally released in 2019. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How did Phish go from playing cafeteria gigs at UVM to Madison Square Garden in only 10 years? We start to chart this path by looking at shows from 1983-1986, where intimate venues like Nectar’s and Doolin’s offered the band a chance to practice and refine their live sets. And at the same time, more experimental shows at places like Goddard College allowed the band to push further into the unknown. At the same time, the transition from a two-guitar band to a four-piece with keys, and the introduction of lots of new songs, combined to lay the foundation of Phish’s modern sound.  In episode two of Undermine, RJ Bee, Jonathan Hart, Matt Dwyer, and Brad TenBrook explore some of Phish’s fundamental shows from 1983-1986, and the songs, venues, and overall sound that developed during these years.  Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company. Visit SunsetLakeCBD.com and use the promo code UNDERMINE for 20% off your purchase of premium quality CBD products. Start your path toward investments that align with your values. Visit www.greenfuturewealth.com and mention "Osiris" when scheduling your free virtual consultation to receive your free investment report. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rock writer Jesse Jarnow is featured. We discuss his many articles, books and career at large. One article in particular created enormous ripples (a tsunami?) in the Phish community. Jesse is known in the Osiris world as the voice/writer of After Midnight, a tribute to Phish's 1999 Big Cypress festival. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Fall 2000 was a tumultuous time — politics were dividing the country, the internet was advancing faster than society could keep up, and the recording industry was undergoing major change. We take another look at this time through the lens of another band, Radiohead. Steven Hyden, author of a great book “This isn’t Happening” about Radiohead’s revolutionary album “Kid A” which came out in October 2000, joins Tom for a discussion which covers Phish, Radiohead and everything in between. This Isn’t Happening can be found here:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/0306845687/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_x_tSkLFb0QVX3ZZ Steven Hyden co-hosts an Osiris podcast of his own about the Grateful Dead called 36 From the Vault. https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/36-from-the-vault/ Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, we go Westward, to explore Phish’s trip to Colorado in 1988 in more detail, and to dive into the Mike’s Song from August 3, 1988. Dave and Brian also talk about King Crimson and Genesis, and the way those bands influenced Phish. Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company.  If you enjoy Undermine, please give us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Brad Sands, Phish's longtime road manager - from 1991 to 2004 - talks to Tom and Tebo about the good old days, and has some great behind the scenes stories. Originally released in 2018. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jen Bernstein stops by to educate me about WEED. Yes, she does. Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

JRAD guitarist, and Wolf, RANA, Amfibian, F-Hole, Particle and many many others, renaissance man guitarist Scott Metzger talks with Tom and friend Andrew Southern about his musical journey and all those bands! Originally released in 2018. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tom puts the songwriting and recording process under the microscope with two co-writers and two new songs. Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We wanted to bring you a couple episodes from our longest-running Phish podcast, the Helping Friendly Podcast. We thought you'd enjoy some of these draft episodes. Thank you. -- We're back with a new, exciting draft, this time of 2024 shows. Megan defends her crown and Brian and RJ try to claw their way back to the top. It'll be fierce and competitive. But the real draft win is the friends we made along the way. Vote for the winner here: osirispod.com/vote Please give us a call at (484) 416-0488 and leave us your thoughts and questions! And give us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.  The Helping Friendly Podcast is hosted and produced by Brian Brinkman, Megan Glionna, Jonathan Hart, and RJ Bee. Original music by Amar Sastry. Brought to you by Osiris Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Festival Circuit. This is a new narrative series focusing on the history and impact of festivals and cities around the world. The first season, focused on the music of New Orleans and the annual jazz festival, premieres today. In episode 1, we explore the history of the city and the history of music in New Orleans, including how the institution of slavery influenced the unique rhythms of the city. We also trace the evolution of jazz music and how that led to the creation of the jazz fest in 1970. The next episodes will focus on the families of the city, the creation and evolution of the jazz festival, memorable performances in the festival’s history, the impact of late night shows around the city, and the legacy and lasting appeal of New Orleans music. For this series, we interviewed Ivan Neville, George Porter, Jr., Irma Thomas, Anders Osborne, Ben Jaffe, Papa Mali and dozens of other musicians. We also talked to writers, academics and music fans about what makes the music of the city so unique. Thanks to all interviewees, and to our partners at WWOZ. Festival Circuit is presented by Osiris Media. This series is Narrated and Produced by Rob Steinberg. Executive Producers are Christina Collins, Andrew Goodwin and RJ Bee, who also double duties as series writer and creator. Produced, Edited and Mixed by Matt Dwyer. Show logo by Liz Bee. The theme song is “JazzFest Time,” by Circus Mind. To check out more shows that help deepen the connection to music you love, please visit OsirisPod.com.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend talks songwriting, Phish, music industry, show biz, influences, New York and more. RJ Bee joins Tom to interview Ezra in a far-ranging open-ended interview where the Vampire Weekend effect is viewed through a Phish lens occasionally. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Core to the music of Phish are complex, evolving, emotionally moving compositions. Many of these early songs—Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Foam, and others—remain highlights of the live experience. These songs created early in Phish’s career have stood the test of time, but what makes them so special?  In this episode, we’ll hear about three of these songs from Don Hart, the composer and arranger who has worked with Trey Anastasio for more than 15 years; and Drew Hitz, a classically trained musician and Phish fan. Don and Drew will walk us through these songs and talk about why they are such enduring pieces of Phish’s catalog.  Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jazz Is Phish drummer Adam Chase illuminates the intricate workings of one of the most creative Phish cover bands. Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The secrets and stories behind the Pharmers Almanac Volume 6, bible to Phish fans when it came out in October 2000, are told by its creator Kevin Cassels. Fly backwards 20 years into Phish's remarkable history with Kevin and Tom. Recorded by Julia Shuster. Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Phish's charitable arm, the Waterwheel Foundation, is discussed by the founders: Beth Montouri Rowles, Matthew Beck and Henry Schwab. Produced by RevoiceMedia.com. Originally released in 2019. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we bring you a special report, looking at the new songs played during Phish’s Summer 2023 Tour, with Tom sharing insights about some of the songs he wrote with Trey.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Gordon joins Tom for the Under the Scales Season 3 opener. This is Part 1 of 2. Mike is a bass player, bandleader, consummate collaborator, songwriter, inventor. Mike speaks on the metaphysics of groove. See where this is going? WAS MIKE ALMOST IN THE WHO?? Originally released in 2019. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Breaking Waves: Seattle is the story of the scene that defined rock in the ‘90s. The show traces the roots of grunge, and details the rise and fall of the Seattle scene, and concludes with a look forward, examining the legacy of grunge and highlighting the current and emerging artists who will create Seattle’s next breaking wave. Produced for Audacy by Osiris Media. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To this point, Season 2 of Undermine has mirrored the fan experience with Phish—traveling to see them, engaging with the community, and trying to understand why we dedicate so much time, energy and money to this band. But what happens if you fall in love with Phish but have no ability to see them live or to engage with the community in person? What does the band mean to you if they’re 10,000 miles away?  In this episode, we meet Phish fans from around the world. Some are foreign nationals who discovered the band via the internet but have had limited opportunities to see the band. Others are Americans who either went to live abroad, or chased the band overseas because they couldn’t get enough. Featuring interviews with Lee Farber, Mark Lewis, Jason Tully, Dylan Behan and more, we explore the global reach of Phish to better understand the total power of their music. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading storyteller in music. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook, and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.  Thanks to our partners:  Undermine is sponsored by Upslope Brewing Company. Check out Sunset Lake CBD and use Undermine for 20% off your purchase.  Visit Green Future Wealth and use Undermine to schedule a free consultation.  Get new Phish Food Non-Dairy delivered right to your couch.  Discover Garcia Hand Picked cannabis! Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tom speaks to the multiple grammy-winning producer, engineer and mixer responsible for so much of the great music we all listen to, Vance Powell. Recently having completed co-production of Sigma Oasis, he tells us how he got here and about some of the other fantastic artists who rely upon him to create their own signature sound. Audio Engineer: Jesse Lauter @jesselauter Audio Engineer: Matt Dwyer @mdphunk Photography: Rene Huemer @rene_huemer Originally released in 2020. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Holly Bowling stops by the studio to educate us musically -- my piano has never sounded better! Originally released in 2017. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jason Pinsky is Tom's guest in the Under the Scales Season 2 opener. Jason is a former Phish employee, music fan, food fan and cannabis connoisseur. Originally released in 2018. Please support our work by visiting OsirisPod.com/Premium. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey there, Undermine fans! Please enjoy the first episode of our new fiction podcast: Sugar Maple. If you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe to see where the story goes! In the series premiere, we meet our narrator, Terrance Woodridge, who brings us a tale he’s chased down: the story of Sugar Maple, the guitar of legend with a timeless sound that's passed from hand to hand over the years. In this episode, we go back to 1951 and hear the story of "Sweet Licks" Bobby Lindro, an orphan from the farmlands outside Chicago. When his brand new Telecaster’s neck is destroyed, he's sure nothing can replace it, until his Aunt procures mysterious wood that seems to make Bobby's guitar truly sing, and gives Bobby dreams that carry him places he never meant to go. Sugar Maple is presented by Osiris Media. Be sure to listen to the premiere of the song from this episode, Brimstone Lampfire, on March 15, wherever you listen to music. Please check out the limited edition poster for this episode, and the limited NFT release of episode and series art. If you like what you hear, please give us a review wherever you listen to your podcasts.  Episode 1 stars Fred Savage as Terrance Woodrige, pRicky Gee as Bobby Lindro, Connie Castanzo as Becky, Jo Walker as Rebecca Woodridge,  Deborah Geffner as Aunt Buggy, Daniel Light as Del Faucet, and Michelle Hurst as Doc.  Brimstone Lampfire was written by Patrick Hart and Michael John Hancock.   The Executive Producers of Sugar Maple are Tom Marshall and RJ Bee. Produced, Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Brad Stratton. Story by Ben Colmery, A.R. Moxon, and Tom Marshall. Episode 1 written by A.R. Moxon and Ben Colmery. Directed by James Masciovecchio. Musical direction by Don Hart. Produced by Tom Sullivan. Production assistance from Zach Brogan and Christina Collins. Art by Mark Dowd. Legal assistance from Gerald Gottesman.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the Summer of 2017 Phish settled into Madison Square Garden, “The World’s Most Famous Arena,” for a residency of 13 shows, immortalized as The Baker’s Dozen. Across nearly three weekends and four weekday gigs, Phish played 230+ songs without repeating a single one. They fused jokes from their past with music that looked ahead to their future, and connected with the fan community in a way they’d long hoped to. It was a historic run—not only for the band, but in rock history. In the first episode of the season, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the history of Madison Square Garden, as well as Phish’s history in that room. Highlighting the importance of the venue to 20th Century American Culture, as well as the comfort Phish had playing in such a historic room, we set the table for our third season on the band’s home court. We hear from journalists such as Will Hermes and Rob Mitchum, as well as fans who got to all 13 nights of the run such as Dianna Hank and Sam Timberg.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Thanks To Our Partners: Check out Sunset Lake CBD and use Undermine for 20% off your purchase.  Listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/undermine Get new Phish Food, Non-Dairy or Original, delivered right to your couch at benjerry.com/delivery We are thrilled to be sponsored by cashortrade.org Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Throughout their history, Phish has constantly sought new ways to break down the barriers between their performance and their audience. Dubbed, The Long Gig (the LG), the band initially conceived of an indoor show where they’d announce to the audience that the doors were locking and they were going to play for 24hrs straight. This idea ultimately evolved into the band’s all-night set at Big Cypress on 12/31/99, and served as an inspiration for The Baker’s Dozen seventeen years later.  In Undermine S3E2 we explore the concept of residencies in rock music, as well as in New York City, while diving into the evolving structure of a Phish tour which sought to create as immersive an experience as possible for fans. Focusing on the organizational approach to Big Cypress, we highlight the logistics of putting on such an event and how this impacted the band’s decision to set up shop in New York City for three weeks. We close by hearing from the 13er club as they chart through their experiences between the January 2017 announcement of The Baker’s Dozen to the journey of 13 straight Phish shows. The gig is long, but the jams - as we’ll discuss in a later episode - were worth it. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Thanks To Our Partners: Check out Sunset Lake CBD and use Undermine for 20% off your purchase.  Listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/undermine Get new Phish Food, Non-Dairy or Original, delivered right to your couch at benjerry.com/delivery We are thrilled to be sponsored by cashortrade.org Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For as long as Phish fans have gathered to discuss and debate the band, the band’s setlists have been a consistent talking point. What songs are in the rotation, how do jams in typically non-jamming slots affect a show, why were there so many bustouts in a single show, what’s the thematic arc of the show? These topics and more have been analyzed by fans for decades—and we know it’s been thought about extensively by the band as well. By way of The Baker’s Dozen, Phish coalesced nearly 40 years of setlisting experimentations into a single run. In Undermine S3E3 we dive into the evolution of Phish setlists. Beginning with 1993’s expanding catalog and 1994’s irreverent experimentation, we walk listeners through the band’s approach to crafting setlists based on the muse of the time. We discuss the approach to setlisting that separated the 3.0 era by way of 2012, and how comfortable and confident the band felt playing 13 shows with zero repeats by 2017. Beginning with a snapshot of Federal Donuts, we dive into one of the most unique aspects of The Baker’s Dozen—the songs Phish played. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Thanks To Our Partners: Check out Sunset Lake CBD and use Undermine for 20% off your purchase.  Listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/undermine Get new Phish Food, Non-Dairy or Original, delivered right to your couch at benjerry.com/delivery We are thrilled to be sponsored by cashortrade.org Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When they returned from the hiatus in 2009, it took time for the band to regain their fluid improvisation. Over the next four years, they worked to strengthen their onstage communication, refine their approach, and ultimately reignite their jamming in 2012. From there, they began experimenting and taking risks, and by the time they reached The Baker’s Dozen, they were ready to take another step forward in their improvisation—dedicating three weeks to deep jamming. Since this run, jamming has become a focus of Phish’s live shows, pushing the band forward creatively in ways many never expected.  In this episode, we dive into the band’s approach to improvisation, with a specific focus on their evolution from Dick’s 2012 through The Baker’s Dozen. Identifying key breakthroughs, stylistic shifts, and the resulting brilliance of the Summer 2017, we discuss The Baker’s Dozen as an achievement as well as a laboratory to propel the band forward. Through discussions with music experts and fans, we celebrate the jams of The Baker’s Dozen and explore how they ushered in the next phase of Phish’s career. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Episode Four pic by Andrea Nusinov. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week. Thanks To Our Partners: Check out Sunset Lake CBD and use Undermine for 20% off your purchase.  Listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/undermine Get new Phish Food, Non-Dairy or Original, delivered right to your couch at benjerry.com/delivery We are thrilled to be sponsored by cashortrade.org Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

At the end of the 13 show Baker’s Dozen, a run filled with jams, bustouts, debut covers, and zero repeats, Phish was awarded a banner to commemorate the event that would hang in the rafters of MSG among legendary sports achievements. And yet, like with the best moments in Phish history, the band didn’t simply sit back and admire their accomplishment, they used it to push themselves forward. Just as the Dick’s 2012 run inspired a return to jamming and setlist deconstruction, all of which built towards The Baker’s Dozen, the BD in turn has inspired Phish over the past five years to push through musical barriers, furthering their improvisational capabilities & pushing their music in ways no one thought possible.   In the Season Finale of Undermine S3 we assess what The Baker’s Dozen meant & how it inspired Phish to attack 2018 and 2019, while also laying the groundwork for one of the best years of their career - 2021. In conversations with fans and Phish thinkers alike, we explore the songwriting explosion that came out of The Baker’s Dozen, and the renewed approach to show structure now that they’d seen how impactful their jamming could be within a show.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next season. Thanks To Our Partners: Check out Sunset Lake CBD and use Undermine for 20% off your purchase.  Listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/undermine Get new Phish Food, Non-Dairy or Original, delivered right to your couch at benjerry.com/delivery We are thrilled to be sponsored by cashortrade.org Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Undermine Season 4! We are back to track the road to Fall ‘97, and to celebrate amazing shows of the 1990s while leading up to that legendary tour. From now through December, we’ll be tracking Phish’s progression in the 1990s by focusing on 25 important shows of the 90’s—leading up to the tour that changed everything, Fall 1997, and we’ll discuss EVERY show of that tour.  We start this season with 11/2/90, from Boulder, Colorado, with guest John Paluska. This show is notable because of course, this is Phish’s second trip to Colorado. In 1990, they would play 20 shows there. This show was a widely circulated tape, with some notable music moments we’ll discuss. And of course, John Paluska was Phish’s manager from 1990-2004, and helped the band grow in every way during the 1990s.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back! As a reminder, from now through December, we’ll be tracking Phish’s progression in the 1990s by focusing on 25 important shows of the 90s—leading up to the tour that changed everything, Fall 1997. And we’ll discuss every show of Fall ‘97.  Today we’re talking about Amy’s Farm, 8/3/91, with the one and only Amy Skelton. Amy talks to us about her involvement with the band and the show that she hosted, which really was Phish’s first festival. These tapes were ubiquitous in the trading days. In the episode, we talk about the musical highlights and the importance of this gig at this point in the band’s career.   Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As the next step in our journey through key shows of the ‘90s, we stop in Eureka, California, and check in with a fellow Californian about this show—Holly Bowling. We focus on 4/21/92, a show that has an ahead-of-its-time Tweezer, which served as an inspiration for one of Holly’s famous jam transcriptions.  We heard in previous episodes about this Spring ‘92 run, which featured Phish’s first extended trip in front of West Coast fans. We talk with Holly about these shows, and about Tweezer, and of course, about her approach to interpreting some of these legendary pieces of improvisation.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, we keep moving through 1992 and look at one of the most notable shows of the early years—7/25/92, which has an incredible guest appearance by Carlos Santana and his percussionists.  Our guest for this episode is Shelly Culbertson, who worked with former manager John Paluska and Dionysian Productions. Shelly was involved with the early online Phish community, and was the driving force behind Phish Tickets By Mail (PTBM). We talk with Shelly about the growth Phish experienced in these years, and how this tour opening for Santana poured more fuel on the fire for the band’s growth. The Santana sit-in on You Enjoy Myself is must-hear, but the whole set is essential early Phish. Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we’re rolling into 1993 with our guest Josh Carver, a longtime Osiris guest and listener. We talk with Josh about The Roxy show from 2/20/93. Josh actually missed this show, but he was at the Roxy shows before and after this infamous night. We all know that feeling.  This show was another pivotal moment in Phish’s progression, and the show became legendary almost immediately. We hope you enjoy our first stop in 1993.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we stop in New Hampshire and dive into 5/8/93, which finds Phish at the end of the Spring 1993 tour. We’re joined by Brad Sands, Phish’s former road manager, who talks about the momentum in 1993, and how this show in Durham served as a homecoming for the band after a long time on the road. And it showed in the music, which we discussed with Brad in detail.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are looking at a pivotal show in Phish's history, 8/13/93 from the Murat Theater in Indianapolis. This show features the legendary version of "Bathtub Gin" which is seen as a turning point in the band's ability to jam outside of the structure of their compositions. Charlie Dirksen and Brian Feller, two longtime fans and board members of The Mockingbird Foundation, join us to talk about the magical month of August 1993.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Happy New Year! It’s 12/31/93, and we’re gathered inside the aquarium for the celebration with our co-Executive Producer and friend Benjy Eisen, who is our special guest.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The birth of the “Tweezerfest,” we dive into 5/7/94 with Relix editor-in-chief, author, and friend Dean Budnick.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we go to Columbus for the amazing 6/22/94 show, with a person who not only was there, but who describes it as one of the two most important days of his life (aside from his birth). Scott Gray enlightens us on this life-changing experience, and some insight into why Trey was talking about tall people during Icculus.  We also get into the merits of jam length, the top 5 shows of all time, and a lot more. It’s a fun ride.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For this episode, we find ourselves at the first Phish musical costume Halloween, of course that’s 10/31/94. Our guest Aaron Stein joins us to discuss that wild night in Glens Falls, how it stacks up with other Halloweens, and more.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re joined by Undermine and Osiris team member Jonathan Hart to discuss THE Providence Bowie, from 12/29/94. In addition to breaking down this legendary jam, we look at Phish at the end of 1994 and where this show falls in that trajectory.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Step into the Fleezer! We’re visiting the wild and strange and confounding music of Summer ‘95, focusing on 6/22/95 with longtime taper and fan Lenny Stubbe.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Crab in my shoe mouth. We’re in Orlando, Florida, it’s November 1995. Ari Fink helps us dive into the adventurous 11/14/95 show.   Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we’re visiting the land of chocolate, with our very own co-host, Benjy Eisen. It’s 12/1/95— philosophy, science, religion, and of course, chocolate.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re continuing our drive through 1995 with a stop in Binghamton, on a snowy night in December. David Steinberg (aka zzyzx) joins us to discuss 12/14/95, a show that at least one of our hosts describes as “nearly perfect.“ Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today’s episode, Drew Hitz joins us in the Gamehendge Time Laboratory, to revisit what many people think is the greatest Phish show of all time—12/31/95. We’re grateful to Drew for joining us for this three-set show that is so revered.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we step into the creation of The Clifford Ball, with one of the people responsible for bringing it to life, Lars Fisk.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How do I work this? Where is that large automobile? Maybe this is my beautiful house…We are celebrating 10/31/96 and the masterful cover set of Remain In Light, with guest Gerald Gottesman.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Viva Las Vegas! Today we’re talking about the rare show where the encore is the most talked about segment of the show. That’s 12/6/96, under the bright lights, with journalist and author of The Phish Book, Richard Gehr.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have arrived in 1997, and we’re hitting the Paradiso in Amsterdam to talk about 2/17/97, a night marked mostly by a huge debut, and the debut of a new musical direction. We discuss this all with Undermine co-Executive Producer Brian Brinkman.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former Phish Road Manager Brad Sands joins us once again to talk about the 3/1/97 show, the basis for the album Slip, Stitch And Pass. Tom and Brad share Europe tour stories and talk about this era of the band’s music. Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re on the back of the worm! We’re with Scott Marks to discuss the 7/1/97 and 7/2/97 shows from Amsterdam.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re back, EXACTLY 15 minutes since our last episode. Rob Mitchum joins us to talk about 8/10/97 at Deer Creek. Here’s Rob’s 25th anniversary blog post on the show. Here’s Marc Allan’s review of this show, and Trey reading it in Bittersweet Motel. Lastly, here’s Marc Allan’s interview with Trey from 1993. Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we’re joined by Jim Pollock to talk about The Great Went. We dive into 8/16/97 and 8/17/97 and talk about Jim’s work with the band.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’ve finally arrived in Las Vegas for the kickoff of Fall ‘97. Drew Hitz and Charlie Dirsken join us to recap the tour opener, 11/13/97.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re on to Salt Lake City for the second show of the tour, 11/14/97, joined by guest Dom Deluca.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s the first night of Denver, 11/16/97, and we’re joined by guest Scott Galbraith.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For one of the best shows of Fall ‘97, we could only have one person revisit it with us. Trey joins us to talk about 11/17/97, memories of the tour, and what led to this different musical style.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re in Champaign for 11/19/97, with Andy Kahn of JamBase.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s on to Phish’s first two-night stand at the mothership. We talk with guest Craig Hillwig about 11/21/97 in Hampton.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a special bonus episode, Joel Cummins of Umphrey's McGee talks with Benjy about his experience at the Phish show on 11/19/97 and how it influenced his decision to become a professional musician.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we’re joined by Scott Bernstein of JamBase to talk about 11/22/97 from Hampton.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Never miss a Sunday show, especially during the Fall ‘97 tour. Today we talk with Brian Brinkman about 11/23/97.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have Scott Marks back again to talk with us about his first show, 11/26/97.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This bonus episode features a discussion about the best outdoor venues to see Phish play. Tom, RJ, and Benjy debate their personal favorites and the merit of music in parking lots. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have David Goldstein as our guest to talk about the first night of Worcester, 11/28/97.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ talk about Phish shows when they were most in need of wool. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are on to the weird and wild second night of Worcester, 11/29/97, with our guest Jeremy D. Goodwin.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We wrap up the Worcester run by focusing on the last night, 11/30/97, with guest Carla Ngo.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ share one of their favorite Phish comfort songs. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ share another one of their favorite Phish comfort songs. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we have a conversation with Marc Brownstein of The Disco Biscuits, who talks about the Philadelphia show on 12/2/97, and a whole lot more about his band, Phish, and the 90s.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Our guest today is Nugs.net founder and CEO Brad Serling. Brad chats with Tom and Benjy about seeing Phish in the early 90s as a Grateful Dead fan, his voyage from taper to a career in live music, and of course the amazing show on 12/3/97 at The Spectrum in Philly.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The guest today for the 12/5/97 show from Cleveland is our very own RJ Bee.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we’re thrilled to be talking about 12/6/97 with Ryan Stasik of Umphrey’s McGee.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’re heading to Dayton to talk 12/7/97 with Andy Gadiel!  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As we head toward the Northeast for the final leg of the tour, we talk with Benjy and RJ, who were both at the show, about how University Park on 12/9/97 stacks up.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rochester! Writer and podcaster Jesse Jarnow joins us to talk about this legendary show on 12/11/97.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have arrived in Albany for the last couple nights of the tour, and we’re grateful to Scott Bernstein of JamBase to talk to us about 12/12/97.  Please consider subscribing to Osiris Premium on Memberful, or to Osiris Premium on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for your support.  Thanks to our partners at Green Future Wealth—they can help with all of your financial planning needs. And thank you to our sponsors at Smartwool, Passion House, and CashorTrade.  Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices