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12 Jun 2024Ep 42: Legacy Legal Ops v. Start-Up Legal Ops: Susan Packal, Head of Global Legal Ops at Atlassian00:34:04

How does the nature of an organization change the design of its legal operations program? How can leaders of all types embrace innovations that legal ops professionals are bringing to legal ops departments? What are the most important things legal ops leaders need to know about the business?

Susan Packal, Head of Global Legal Operations at Atlassian, learned the most important aspects of legal ops leadership serving in director and chief of staff positions at dynamic start-ups and legacy brands like Hilton, eBay, Uber, and Twilio, in addition to running her own legal ops consultancy. Along the way, she’s developed methods for building legal ops teams that leverage their proficiency to serve the needs of the core business.

Hear from Susan as she sits down with Tyler at CLOC to discuss ways to establish a strong culture in your legal team, elevating the GC role, and recognizing the importance of tough feedback to help guide your career.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-42

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Building the first legal ops teams at Hilton: 3:06
Contemplating the chief of staff role in legal departments: 9:51
Running legal operations as director and chief of staff at Twilio: 12:49
Setting a strong culture in the legal department at Atlassian: 15:58
Comparing and contrasting Hilton, Uber, and Atlassian: 19:36
Considering past career missteps: 22:10
Book Recommendations: 29:00
What you wish you had known as a young lawyer: 32:07

Connect with us:
Susan Packal - https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanpackal/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

06 Jul 2023Navigating the Legal-Security-Privacy Relationship: Celaena Powder's Experiences at Seismic01:00:00

Legal, Security, and Privacy are cut from the same cloth — but it’s common to see friction between these teams. How can GCs and in-house leaders bridge this gap to form productive working relationships?

Join us as we dive into the incredible journey of Celaena Powder, VP of Legal at Seismic, as she weighs in on forming unbeatable GC-CISO duos, supporting an enterprise sales motion at a company, nurturing meaningful relationships with Sales AEs to drive business impact, and more.

We also discuss strategies for transforming the perception of Legal, building a high-performing legal team, and fostering a culture of growth and support.

Tune in now to uncover a goldmine of actionable advice and a behind-the-scenes look into how Celaena leads Legal at Seismic.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-6


Topics:

Introduction: 00:00

Finding inspiration for what you want to do in your career: 02:44

Accelerating professional growth when working in small teams: 11:13

Going in-house and becoming VP of Legal at Seismic: 14:08

Transforming the perception of Legal within the org: 18:28

Setting your legal team up for success: 22:30

Navigating enterprise sales as a legal team: 26:22

Leveraging privacy education to drive revenue generation: 32:54

Nurturing productive relationships between Legal and Sales AEs: 35:33

The intersection of the Legal and Security functions: 41:02

Bridging the gap between Legal, Security, and Privacy: 45:00

How the GC’s role will evolve with tech and AI evolution: 54:21

Advice for younger attorneys: 57:30


Connect with us:

Celaena Powder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/celaenapowder/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

06 Sep 2023Becoming a True Business Partner as an In-House Lawyer00:38:23

“Legal just doesn’t understand our priorities.”

Legal is often viewed as a cost center and a blocker in fulfilling business needs, instead of a thought partner that can help push the business forward. This perception is a challenge most in-house counsel have to overcome when they join a company.

How can you transform legal’s brand, get a seat at the table, and own it so you and your team can become business co-leaders?

Join us for this bonus episode as we explore what it takes to become a true business partner as an in-house counsel, with insights from GCs and legal leaders at some of the biggest companies today.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-10


Introduction – 00:00

Megan Niedermeyer and Brenda Perez on becoming true business partners: 01:04

Doug Luftman on building trust and getting a seat at the table: 04:54

Adam Glick on customer-centricity and relationship building: 06:56

Celaena Powder on nurturing productive relationships between Legal and Sales AEs: 11:40

Celaena Powder on transforming the perception of Legal within the org: 14:55

Lydia Cheuk on building a brand for your team and for yourself: 20:14

David Lancelot on using data to build trust and credibility: 25:55

Akshay Verma on what companies and clients really want from lawyers: 31:31

David Lancelot on transforming legal operations to build scalable and strategic legal functions: 34:14


Connect with us:

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


Featured guests:
Megan Niedermeyer - https://www.linkedin.com/in/meganniedermeyer/
Brenda Yun Perez - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendayperez/

Doug Luftman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougluftman

Adam Glick - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adglick/

Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/

David Lancelot - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidlancelot/

Celaena Powder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/celaenapowder/

Lydia Cheuk - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lydiacheuk/


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

03 Apr 2025Ep 92: Why I Left the Big Firm Life to Feed Dogs with Tim Hirsch, GC of Mars Science and Diagnostics00:55:40

Can your pets inspire you and shape the direction of your career? How can practicing abroad open doors? And what personal and professional lessons can you draw from training for and completing an Ironman triathlon?

Join Tim Hirsch, General Counsel at Mars Science and Diagnostics, as he talks about making transitions: from practicing law in the EU to practicing in the US; working in-house at huge companies like Mastercard to becoming Head of Legal at Collibra, a ten-person start-up; taking the leap to co-found his own business, DoggyChef; and leveraging that experience in pet care into his current role as GC at one of the biggest names in the industry.

Listen as Tim discusses the different expectations on lawyers in the US versus Europe, how to have influence in a huge in-house legal team,  what it takes to turn an idea into a company, operating a start-up while working full-time, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-92

Topics   
Introduction 0:00
Starting a legal career in Europe: 4:27
Bringing a different perspective to in-house legal: 8:59
Becoming Head of Legal at Collibra: 11:25
Learning business skills on the job: 14:24
Developing the confidence to start a business: 20:02
Co-founding DoggyChef: 21:29
Moving into a GC role at Mars Petcare: 30:08
Switching between large and small organizations: 34:58
Training for an Ironman triathlon: 39:34
Rapid-fire questions: 49:36

Connect with us: Tim Hirsch - https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyhirsch/ Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.   

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

14 Jun 2023Mapping Your Career in Law: Akshay Verma's Blueprint for Success00:34:51

What do companies and clients really want from lawyers? How can you align your career with your values while pursuing your ambitions? What makes a world-class legal operations team?

In the fourth episode of The Abstract, we sit down with the brilliant Akshay Verma, Head of Legal Operations at Coinbase, as he tackles these burning questions and more. Drawing from his extensive two-decade journey, Akshay Verma shares a wealth of wisdom — from his early days practicing environmental law at law firms to leading in-house legal ops teams for companies at various stages and scales.

You’ll get the chance to peek into Akshay’s Critical Lawyering Skills course at Santa Clara University School of Law, and listen as he dives deep into topics like charting your path after law school, navigating career transitions, and finding meaningful employment. He also offers advice to companies hiring early-career legal professionals on how to stay competitive and attract top talent.


Topics:

Introduction – 00:00

Navigating career transitions in law, pt.1 – 1:11

Going in-house and becoming a business counsel – 4:22

The evolution of the legal ops role – 9:02

Navigating career transitions in law, pt.2 – 10:26

Heading legal operations at Meta & Coinbase – 11:35

Leveraging job interviews to lay down the roadmap – 13:40

Akshay’s background in teaching at law school – 15:57

Critical lawyering skills that law school doesn’t teach – 18:05

Integrating your values into career decisions – 20:33

What companies and clients want from lawyers – 25:42

Attracting top legal talent amid changing priorities – 29:14

How legal and legal ops is changing – 31:31


Connect with us:

Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com/ to learn more.

19 Sep 2024Ep 57: Bridging the gap between Politicians & Corps. with Jules Polonetsky, CEO, Future of Privacy01:02:25

Join Jules Polonetsky, CEO and Founder of the Future of Privacy Forum, as he shares lessons he learned from the front lines of ad tech starting in the early 1990s. Starting his career in politics as a New York assemblyman and working his way into consumer protection-focused public roles, he became one of the first chief privacy officers in the tech industry at companies like DoubleClick and AOL at a crucial moment in the history of online privacy. Now his think tank connects policymakers with corporations, and helps both sides answer tough questions about privacy and data.

Join Jules Polonetsky, CEO and Founder of the Future of Privacy Forum, as he shares lessons he learned from the front lines of ad tech starting in the early 1990s. Starting his career in politics as a New York assemblyman and working his way into consumer protection-focused public roles, he became one of the first chief privacy officers in the tech industry at companies like DoubleClick and AOL at a crucial moment in the history of online privacy. Now his think tank connects policymakers with corporations and helps both sides answer tough questions about privacy and data.

Listen as Jules discusses his uniquely-positioned understanding of privacy issues, the future of AI governance and the chief privacy officer role, advice to lawyers who want to move into the privacy space, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-57

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Getting a start in New York politics: 1:57
Running for elected office: 11:46
Taking one of the first Chief Privacy Officer roles in the industry at DoubleClick: 16:43
Considering the necessary training to be successful in privacy: 24:28
Founding the Future of Privacy Forum: 32:02
Questioning the death of the Chief Privacy Officer role: 44:42
Favorite part of your day-to-day work and professional pet peeves: 51:54
Book recommendations: 56:41
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 1:00:01

Connect with us:
Jules Polonetsky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julespolonetsky/
Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

09 Dec 2024Ep 71: Privacy, Facial Recognition, and Semi-Pro Football with DPO Paul Collier00:35:06

What does a Data Protection Officer do? How is it different from your privacy counsel? And how might a DPO help your company with cutting-edge issues like regulations around facial recognition or biometrics?

Join Paul Collier, data protection officer at The DPO Centre, as he shares how the skills he gained as a front-line police officer have helped him counsel clients on how to balance complex privacy regulations with business goals.

Listen as Paul discusses how companies can use facial recognition technology while safeguarding privacy, how in-house legal departments can work best with DPOs, his side hustle as a part-time semi-professional football referee, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-71

Topics:

Introduction: 0:00
Working as a front-line police officer: 2:00
What does a Data Protection Officer do?: 6:06
Considerations when hiring a DPO: 9:26
Counseling companies on facial recognition: 11:33
Should governments regulate facial recognition technology?: 16:00
How DPOs manage expectations with resistant clients: 20:36
How DPOs can work effectively with legal departments: 23:49
Becoming a semi-professional football referee: 25:23
Rapid-fire questions: 30:06
Book recommendations: 32:13
What Paul wishes he’d known as a young lawyer: 33:33

Connect with us:
Paul Collier - https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-collier-a2121056/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

25 May 2023Becoming a Customer-Centric GC: Adam Glick's Mindset00:47:33

Join Adam Glick, a former litigator and Head of Legal at Intercom, as we discuss nonlinear career paths, hiring, building an authentic network, and evangelizing the value of a legal department to high-growth public and private tech companies. 

Adam has decades of in-house experience, is a profound legal executive, and provides practical advice on becoming customer-centric, so legal serves as an “enabler” for the business.

16 Apr 2024Ep 33: Legal Issues in the Gene Editing Space: Lisa Taylor Ash, General Counsel at Shape Therapeutics00:46:31

How do you leverage your legal career to launch your own consultancy? What are the winning tactics to be an effective in-house lawyer? Is it possible to merge your love of science with your passion for law?

Lisa Taylor Ash, General Counsel at Shape Therapeutics, has the answer to all of your questions. After leading two different legal teams through major acquisitions, starting her own consulting firm, and returning to the GC role, Lisa created effectiveinhouse.com, a website that features legal tactics, samples, and interviews with top in-house counsels across a variety of industries.

Hear Lisa as she explains how she was able to position her career at the forefront of cutting-edge biotech, offers practical advice for lawyers hoping to start a company, shares lessons she wishes were taught in law school, and more.

Check out some of Lisa’s favorite posts from effectiveinhouse.com below:

Minimize Legal Risk
https://effectiveinhouse.com/minimize-legal-risk

Interview with Brett Pletcher, Former GC of Gilead
https://effectiveinhouse.com/interview-brett-pletcher

Interview with Brandon Etheridge, GC of the Baltimore Ravens
https://effectiveinhouse.com/interview-brandon-etheridge

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-33

Topics:

Introduction: 0:00
Leading legal through two major acquisitions: 2:48
Developing personalized medicines: 8:56
Lessons for lawyers dealing with M&A: 12:11
Leaving large companies after an acquisition: 14 :06
Launching an independent consulting firm: 15:51
Offering practical advice for starting a consulting business: 19:39
Returning to an in-house role at Shape Therapeutics: 24:37
Legal issues related to gene editing: 30:47
Building public trust in gene therapy companies: 32:57
The future of AI and gene editing: 35:41
Creating an essential legal resource at effectiveinhouse.com: 36:51
Book recommendations: 41:35
What you wish you had known as a young lawyer: 44:03

Connect with us:
Lisa Taylor Ash - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-taylor-ash-17b1b611/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

19 Jan 2024GCs in the Boardroom: Lisa Harrington, Board Director, Consultant, and CLO00:51:01

Joining a board as a GC presents a unique set of challenges: how do you demonstrate value when many boards are looking for members with financial and strategy experience? How do you avoid becoming the de facto legal counsel? And how can you maximize your board experience to expand and strengthen your network and legal skill set?

Lisa Harrington, board director, consultant, and CLO, can coach you through this complex process. Currently the board director at A-Rod’s Slam Corp and Iron Horse Acquisitions, Lisa has complimented her career as CLO and corporate secretary with a yearslong journey through public and private board rooms.

Join Lisa as she offers her fellow GCs experience-proven advice on the best ways to find your first board seat, thrive on a committee as an expert advisor, and eventually make your way to a role on a coveted public board.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-22

Topics:

Introduction: 1:28

Comparing and contrasting GC roles at public and private companies: 4:24

Finding opportunities on to take on board directorships or take on board seats: 8:48

Setting yourself up to get recruited for board membership: 15:01

Describing the ongoing obligations of a board member or director: 21:39

Factors to consider for GCs looking to join a board: 25:08

Non-legal-related advice for drafting your board agreement: 28:17

Making strong connections with operators: 31:53

Going through the IPO process with Iron Horse: 37:49

Participating on a board during an acquisition at Slam Corp: 41:37

Leaving a board role with grace: 44:45

Advice to younger self: 47:10

Connect with us:

Lisa Harrington - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisahattonharrington/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

06 May 2024Ep 37: IPO, Acquisitions & Board Membership: Nithya Das, Chief Legal & Administrative Officer, Diligent00:38:09

How can legal leaders thrive while navigating major M&A and capital market transactions? How do you expand the GC or CLO title and take on broader executive roles? And how do you leverage your experience into a board seat?

Nithya Das, Chief Legal and Chief Administrative Officer at Diligent, has taken on each of these challenges and used the lessons she gained from them to advance her career exactly where she wants it to go. Formerly the chief legal and people officer of the so-called “AppNexus mafia” during the startup’s historic sale to AT&T, Nithya has led counsel, operations, and more in the ad tech, food tech, and reg tech spaces. She also brings her expertise to her seat on the board of directors at Outbrain.

Hear Nithya as she shares tips about leading in-house counsel through IPO and acquisitions, serving on a board of directors, dealing with personal tragedy during career triumphs, the importance of transparency for establishing trust and loyalty with your team, and more.

Diligent is the leading GRC SaaS company, empowering more than 1 million users and 700,000 board members and leaders to make better decisions, faster. The Diligent One Platform helps organizations connect their entire GRC practice — including governance, risk, compliance, audit and ESG — to bring clarity to complex risk, stay ahead of regulatory changes and deliver impactful insights, in one consolidated view.

Diligent will be at CLOC global institute next month! Be sure to catch their speaking session 'Elevating Entity Management' on the 7th and stop by booth 104 to discuss the ways Diligent can help streamline and automate your entity management at scale.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-37

Annual Compensation Report: https://salary-report.spotdraft.com/

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Planting the seeds of your legal career: 3:36
Moving into your first in-house role at AppNexus: 4:47
Running the IPO and acquisition process as GC at AppNexus: 8:29
Choosing to move on from AT&T after acquisition: 10:43
Taking time off before joining Olo as COO and CLO: 16:02
Running operations at Olo: 20:12
Offering practical advice to lawyers trying to take on business roles: 25:10
Working with private equity versus working in a public company: 27:47
Leading legal at Diligent: 29:58
Finding your way onto the board at Outbrain: 31:53
What you wish you had known as a young lawyer: 35:52

Connect with us:
Nithya Das - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nithyadas/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

23 Dec 2024Ep 73: All Things Contracts with Laura Frederick, CEO of How to Contract00:57:23

How do you avoid common mistakes in commercial contract negotiation? What about in drafting? And how can you get better at and find more joy in commercial contracting?

Join Laura Frederick, Founder and CEO of How to Contract, as she goes deep on all things contracts—everything from how to avoid common mistakes to tips for supercharging your negotiating skills.

Listen as Laura talks about her career in contracts working for top energy and renewable companies like Tesla and SolarCity, making the leap to start her own law firm and training business, establishing a yearly conference about all things contracts, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-73

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Why Laura chose contracts as her core practice area: 5:52
Drafting contracts for energy and renewables: 10:17
Laura’s favorite types of deals: 13:54
Contract drafting tips and tricks: 15:39
Considering a more generalist role: 17:50
Common mistakes during contract drafting: 23:19
How to negotiate more effectively: 25:10
Tips for breaking a negotiating log jam: 27:59
Lessons from mentors: 33:03
Founding How to Contract: 36:39
Leaving Tesla to make the leap to business owner: 40:06
Focusing on mental health: 44:19
Finding Laura’s businesses online: 51:10
Rapid-fire questions: 54:08
What Laura wishes she’d known as a young lawyer: 55:12

Connect with us:
Laura Frederick - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurafredericklaw/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

26 Sep 2024Ep 58: How a lawyer built an AI company with Cecilia Ziniti, founder GC AI00:57:34

How should General Counsel and legal teams be leveraging generative AI? How do you get started on your AI journey and what mistakes should you avoid? Where is the AI revolution heading?

Join Cecilia Ziniti, Founder and CEO of GC AI, as she discusses how and why she made the leap from working as a corporate lawyer to creating a generative AI product specifically designed for in-house counsel. Find out how her years leading legal for AI-powered tech companies like Replit, Anki, and Cruise (and serving as lead counsel on Amazon’s Alexa) prepared her to create a company offering a groundbreaking product that serves the various needs of lawyers with precision and care.

Listen as Cecilia discusses the similarities between lawyers and large language models, how to begin experimenting with generative AI with the goal of making both your professional and personal life smoother, why you can’t let others tell you you’re “just” a lawyer, and why legal professionals should always use emojis.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-58

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Leading legal at Replit: 2:52
Why lawyers should use emojis: 5:40
Starting a business after gaining extensive experience working with AI: 13:00
Considering how GCs should leverage AI: 22:18
Hiring legal teams in the age of AI: 39:03
Teaching a class on AI at Stanford University: 47:35
Book Recommendations: 51:52
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 55:11

Connect with us:
Cecilia Ziniti - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ceciliaziniti/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

24 Oct 2024Ep 62: From Serving in the Army to becoming a CEO with Ethena CEO Roxanne Petraeus00:39:32

How can corporate leaders make compliance training entertaining enough that their employees will pay attention? How do you know if compliance training is effective? What has a founder in this space learned about building for and selling to HR and legal?

Join Roxanne Petraeus, Co-Founder and CEO of Ethena, as she discusses how her company is changing compliance training by making it more personalised, effective, role-based, and specific to scenarios happening in her clients’ companies. Starting her career as an officer in the U.S. Army, she made the leap from consultant to founder and built a platform that saves time, engages distracted employees, and satisfies regulators.

Listen as Roxanne discusses why content is as important as technology, how to measure the success of compliance training, the value of balancing quantitative data with qualitative feedback, and how her company is leveraging AI to better serve their clients, and more.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-62

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Finding the inspiration to serve in the military: 1:30
Leaving McKinsey & Company to found Ethena: 6:25
Scaling up content quality alongside technology: 9:04
What companies are getting wrong about in-house training and how to make a change: 11:44
Measuring the success of a new compliance training: 13:34
Going beyond boring or cringy compliance trainings: 16:45
Observing new trends in compliance training: 20:40
Leveraging AI as the founder of a tech company: 23:16
Comparing compliance issues and needs between small companies and enterprise clients: 29:02
Mapping the future for Ethena: 31:50
Favorite part of your day and pet peeves: 34:12
Book recommendations: 35:50
What you wish you’d known as a young founder: 36:58

Connect with us:
Roxanne Petraeus - https://www.linkedin.com/in/roxanne-bras-petraeus-2292b8109/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

22 Aug 2023Going Beyond the GC Role: COO Genessa Stout on Organic Growth00:38:28

“How do I expand my scope of work as a GC or in-house lawyer?”

The in-house legal industry is increasingly seeing GCs step up to the role of COO, CFO, head of people functions, and more. In fact, expanding your role to cross-functional leadership positions has become an important part of growth for senior legal executives.

In episode 9 of The Abstract, we talk to one such leader, who grew her career from a receptionist at a law firm to now the Chief Operating Officer & General Counsel at Tally — Genessa Stout.

We discuss:

— how she grew into this role organically and came to head functions like finance and HR,

— her consumer-centric approach to lawyering,

— how she builds trust and culture within the business and her team, and more.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-9


Topics:

Introduction: 00:00

From rural roots to plaintiff-side law at Hagens Berman to CFPB: 01:14

Early days at CFPB: 05:41

Transitioning from CFPB to in-house at PayPal: 08:30

From PayPal to a multidimensional leadership at Tally: 13:42

Fostering trust and heading people and operations functions at Tally: 16:45

Navigating non-legal leadership roles and learning curves in other functions: 19:14

Building culture as a GC and a COO: 23:30

Transitioning from GC to different business leadership roles: 27:07

Advice to young attorneys: 30:45

The evolving role of the GC: 33:04

A book recommendation and insight into what keeps Genessa motivated: 35:00


Connect with us:

Genessa Stout - https://www.linkedin.com/in/genessastout

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

20 Feb 2025Ep 84: Why Lawyers Struggle with Communication with Briefly CEO Adam Stofsky01:04:07

Is it possible to carve out a meaningful career in law by following your passions? What's harder: building a non-profit or a business? What do lawyers have to learn from animators?

Join Adam Stofsky, CEO of Briefly and founder of the New Media Advocacy Project, as he shares how he used high-production documentary video to advocate for human rights across the globe and started a company to help lawyers better communicate with their clients.

Listen as Adam discusses the challenges of non-litigation career paths, founding nonprofit and for-profit companies, the trauma of human rights work, working with creative professionals like animators and voice actors, the importance of bearing witness to human rights abuses, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-84

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Why Adam wanted to become a lawyer: 2:29
Starting your career at Debevoise & Plimpton: 5:48
Transitioning into human rights work: 7:20
Founding the non-profit New Media Advocacy Project: 10:48
Dealing with the challenges of human rights advocacy: 17:52
Adam’s biggest accomplishments at NMAP: 23:18
Living on a farm in Upstate New York: 26:20
Founding Briefly: 33:38
Helping lawyers communicate better: 43:46
Lessons from creative professionals: 47:26
Expanding Briefly’s customer base: 50:27
Rapid-fire questions: 56:33
Book recommendations: 59:20

Connect with us:
Adam Stofsky - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamstofsky/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

27 Oct 2023Leading Teams in High Growth, High Pressure Environments: Seth Weissman, Executive Coach00:55:03

What does it take to build up your legal team? Is it possible to work effectively without a foundation of trust and vulnerability? What role does emotional intelligence take in nurturing careers? And how do you proceed in a role when you don’t know how to make the first big step?

Seth Weissman is no stranger to navigating difficult business challenges without a roadmap. Now an executive coach, he previously led SolarCity to IPO and acquisition by Tesla as GC and Executive Vice President, and grew Marqeta’s legal team of four to fifty as Chief Legal Officer.

Join Seth as he discusses why it pays to approach legal like a businessperson, the importance of mentors, and what it takes to make the switch from GC to executive coach. He also shares lessons from his time working at a mission-driven energy company with Elon Musk on the board.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-13


Topics:

Introduction: 0:00

Letting unconventional thinking guide your career: 2:27

Working in SolarCity’s mission-driven environment to commercialize solar energy: 7:20

Releasing IPO and selling to Tesla: 13:38

Working with Elon Musk at SolarCity: 18:06

Turning a legal team of 4 into a division of 50 at Marqeta: 22:10

Finding inspiration to become an executive coach: 31:12

Finding an executive coach and justifying the expense: 43:35

Final questions: 50:20


Connect with us:

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

Seth Weissman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethweissman/

Seth’s Blog Page: https://www.sethweissman.com/blog

Seth’s Lessons from Racing School: https://www.sethweissman.com/blog/lessons

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.


30 Apr 2024EP 36: From Paralegals to Legal Ops Leaders: Tommie Tavares-Ferreira, Cedar, and Tom Stephenson, Legal.io00:55:19

How do you transition into a legal ops role? What are the new and exciting opportunities for legal professionals without a law degree? How will the legal operations community trailblaze a path for in-house counsels and law firms into the future of business?

Tommie Tavares-Ferreira, Head of Legal Ops at Cedar and Tom Stephenson, Vice President of Community and Legal Ops at Legal.io, have an expert understanding of both the legal ops industry and the diverse channels that professionals can take to arrive in the field. Not only are they the hosts of the Dear Legal Ops podcast, but they have arrived via their own journeys from big law firm paralegals and HBO contract manager to running legal ops at major businesses like Credit Karma, Rakuten, and Peloton.

Hear Tommie and Tom as they discuss the benefits for ambitious professionals to transition into a legal ops role, how to balance your business skill set with a strategic legal mindset, career paths beyond legal ops, and much more.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-36

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Transitioning from paralegal to legal ops: 2:30
Coming into legal ops from a contract management background: 5:22
Shifting your mindset from legal specialization to business strategy: 8:38
Debating whether legal ops is the right career path for everyone: 12:38
Establishing trust with stakeholders across the broader business: 15:50
Managing a legal ops department: 19:10
Maintaining a strong relationship with your general counsel: 23:59
Balancing your business expertise with your GC’s legal strategy: 31:01
The importance of placing the head of legal ops on the GC’s leadership team: 36:04
Considering career moves beyond legal ops: 38:48
Transitioning from legal ops to executive roles: 43:15
Presenting at CLOC 2024: 49:11

Connect with us:
Tommie Tavares-Ferreira - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tommie/
Tom Stephenson - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tstephenson1/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

24 Jul 2024Ep 48: How a Pilot turned into a CEO: Ben Klein, CEO at Aero00:40:59

How do you build a legal and business career from a passion for aviation? What is the transition like from the GC role to that of CEO? And what is it like to run an airline?  

Ben Klein, CEO and First Officer at Aero, was able to combine his dedication to legal work with his lifelong love of flying. Starting off at big law firms like Davis Polk & Wardwell, he successfully transitioned into aviation law after founding his own firm, then took on GC roles at autonomous helicopter start-up Skyryse and Aero, an airline offering a private-jet-like experience.   

Listen as Ben discusses instilling confidence in investors during a CEO transition, counseling his airline through the coronavirus pandemic, and leveraging his experience in the cockpit to make his company the best it can be.  

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-48   

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00  
Transitioning from corporate law to aviation law: 6:01
Founding an aviation-focused law firm: 9:38
Learning to manage an executive team as a first-time GC at Skyryse: 11:47
Counseling an airline through the coronavirus pandemic: 14:57
Taking on a GC and First Officer role at Aero: 16:09
Leveraging your experience in the cockpit to lead as CEO: 23:59
Instilling confidence in investors as you transition from GC to CEO: 25:47
Inspiring teamwork in c-suite reports and hiring for your replacement GC: 30:58
Book Recommendations: 35:30
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 38:49

Connect with us:
Ben Klein - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-klein-01b8736/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

20 Jul 2023Brand Building for Legal Teams: With Lydia Cheuk, GC at Away00:34:16

What’s your legal team’s brand? And by that, we mean, what does your team look like from the lens of the rest of the organization?

Join Away’s GC Lydia Cheuk as she shares insights on marketing Legal within the organization, authentically building your personal brand, shaping legal as the first hire at early-stage companies across different industries, and more.

We’ll also discuss Lydia’s experience in supporting the business through hypergrowth, a pandemic, and then through the recovery period, as well as offering stability and support during transitions.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-7


Topics:

Introduction: 0:00

Making the jump from law firm to in-house life: 3:11

Lydia’s journey at an entertainment studio start-up called First Look: 7:03

Hiring at the right time and building a strong team: 09:33

Moving from Media to the Direct-to-Consumer (DTC) sector: 11:56

Building relationships and trust with the executive team: 14:25

Empowering your team and improving motivation and retention: 16:49

Fostering a unified culture and goal within the legal team: 19:13

Driving visibility into legal’s impact and improving legal’s brand: 20:34

Building a brand for your team and for yourself: 24:19

Lessons from Away's hypergrowth phase and pandemic challenges: 28:24

Being on NYU Law’s venture fund jury: 31:37

Closing questions: 33:23


Connect with us:

Lydia Cheuk - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lydiacheuk/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

15 Aug 2024Ep 51: How Rachel Olchowka, balanced the role of GC & CPO @ Fetch00:52:52

What do you need to know if you're considering taking on the people function? What's the difference between a chief people officer and a CHRO? And are GCs well-positioned to take on both of these roles simultaneously?

Rachel Olchowka, Former Chief People Officer and General Counsel at Fetch and current Chief Administrative Officer at Prizm Insurance, had no hesitations when she volunteered to operate a complex, metrics-driven people function in addition to her responsibilities leading in-house legal at a fast-paced organization. Not only did she learn how to do both roles—she learned how to do them well.

Listen as Rachel shares how she was able to find balance between two very different executive positions, know whether expanding into a people role is right for you, establish a game-changing comprehensive parental leave plan, craft culture within a company and executive team, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-51

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Taking on the chief people officer role while serving as general counsel at Fetch: 2:25
The difference between CPOs and CHROs: 5:25
Encountering pushback from the executive team on HR policies: 9:01
Crafting culture within an executive team: 12:35
Establishing a comprehensive parental leave plan: 14:53
Approaching the hiring process as a CPO: 19:38
Comparing in-office policies against remote work: 24:40
Dealing with emotionally charged issues in the CPO/CHRO role: 30:57
Recommendations to GCs who want to take on multiple executive roles: 36:34
Considering the right candidate for dual GC and CPO roles: 42:39
Book recommendations: 46:37
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 50:19

Connect with us:
Rachel Olchowka - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-olchowka/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

15 Mar 2024Ep 27: Taking Businesses & Legal Teams Global: Sarah Binder, General Counsel, Lime00:45:36

What is a general counsel’s role in international expansion? How do you balance growth with safety and compliance across diverse countries and markets? And how do you scale your legal team to take on challenges that require in-depth knowledge of local cultures, regulations, and business practices?

As general counsel at Lime, Sarah Binder confronts these questions each day, as she and her legal team navigate regulations across 300 municipalities in 35 countries. Sarah, who recently located to San Francisco from the UK, has found that transparency, accessibility, and flexibility are key to working across borders (and time zones).  Listen as Sarah offers tips for effectively scaling out your legal team for international expansion.

Introduction: 0:00
Discussing the scope of Sarah’s GC roles at Lime and Pizza Hut UK and Europe: 4:56
Effectively scaling out your team for international expansion: 07:48
Tips for working across time zones without feeling burnout: 12:47
Defining the role of the GC: 18:57
What American execs get wrong when they expand into European markets: 24:57
Guiding your team through a diverse set of regulatory bodies: 30:01
Looking back on your experience with consumer product liability as a general counsel: 32:38
How GCs strike a balance between growth and regulatory compliance: 37:19
Book Recommendation: 40:45
Outro: 44:36

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-27  

Annual Compensation Report: https://salary-report.spotdraft.com/  

Connect with us:
Sarah Binder -https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajmahapatra/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

04 Jun 2024Ep 41: Building Legal Ops at Google: DeAnna Papedis, ​​Head of Legal Contracts & Operations, Google00:22:00

How has the legal ops profession evolved over the years? What was it like to be there at the birth of legal ops? And how can you break into the field now?  

DeAnna Papedis, head of legal contract & product program management & operations at Google, has been with the tech giant for eighteen years, building up their massive legal ops departments from a team of legal assistants. Stepping into legal operations from a contract management role before the field even had a name, DeAnna has watched legal ops grow into an indispensable part of the organization.  

Hear DeAnna as she takes a break from CLOC to discuss building and leading one of tech’s biggest and most venerable legal ops teams, expanding the legal ops community, and predicting the future of legal ops.  

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-41     

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Transitioning from contracts manager into legal ops: 4:55
Growing legal ops within Google: 8:56
Managing a legal ops team: 11:44
Attending CLOC from the beginning: 13:40
Imagining the future of legal ops: 16:24
Book recommendations: 19:11
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 20:00

Connect with us:
DeAnna Papedis - https://www.linkedin.com/in/deanna-papedis/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

20 May 2024Ep 39: Legal Process Orchestration: Sagi Eliyahu, CEO & Co-founder, Tonkean (w/ cohost Akshay Verma)01:04:05

What is the role of tech in making legal and business teams work better together? How can process orchestration improve your intake process and seamlessly connect silos in your organization? And what is it like to build a tech company that serves legal professionals?  

Sagi Eliyahu, CEO and co-founder of Tonkean, didn’t set out to make a platform that automates and streamlines processes for lawyers. But focusing his startup’s point of view on elevating people over data allowed him to identify the issues that legal teams—some of the most people-centric and complex teams in an organization—need to resolve to do their work better, faster, and with more time to focus on solving problems.  

Hear Sagi discuss the meaning of process orchestration, his experience immigrating to the US and starting a tech-company, and where he thinks AI and machine learning are headed. And for the first time ever, Spotdraft COO Akshay Verma joins Tyler as co-host and draws upon his background in legal ops at Coinbase and Meta to contribute keen
insights into the conversation.  

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-39   

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Understanding how the immigrant experience shapes your business acumen: 6:16
Founding Tonkean and focusing your sales efforts on legal: 15:13
Defining process orchestration and contrasting it with automation: 21:13
Working with customers to orchestrate processes: 26:26
Taking a pragmatic approach to using AI and machine learning: 36:44
Contemplating when data sets will be strong enough to give AI reliable judgment: 45:15
Book recommendations: 58:12
What you wish you had known as a young founder: 1:00:55

Connect with us:
Sagi Eliyahu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliyahusagi/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/  SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

03 Oct 2024Ep 59: From Lawyer to Angel Investor, Advisor & Dealmaker with Sunjay Mathews01:01:40

How do you turn your passion for sports into a career? What does it take to advise pro athletes and celebrities on investments and deals? And how can you start to angel invest yourself?

Sunjay Mathews, investor, advisor, and dealmaker in the sports and media sector, was able to make the leap from in-house counsel at FanDuel and DAZN, the biggest names in sports betting and streaming, into a legal and business consulting powerhouse. With his deep understanding of the complex (and often outdated) regulations surrounding sports betting, he began leading at the intersection of crypto and athletics, advising on sports partnerships with FTX and investing in blockchain-reliant companies like BetDex, and joining the board of tixbase.

Listen as Sunjay shares lessons from his career at the cutting edge of burgeoning industries, dealmaking with pro athletes, getting started as an angel investor, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-59

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Transitioning from law associate to sports legal advisor at FanDuel: 3:40
Dealing with anachronistic regulations in the sports betting industry: 6:47
Moving into streaming at DAZN: 10:39
Getting a start as an independent advisor: 21:47
Dealmaking with pro athletes and celebrities: 26:08
Getting started as an angel investor: 34:12
Consulting on sports marketing with FTX and getting involved with crypto: 38:06
Investing and advising companies like BetDEX, tixbase, and Just Women’s Sports: 42:20
Uplifting Just Women’s Sports: 49:35
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 57:11

Connect with us:
Sunjay Mathews: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunjay-mathews-b227a723/
Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

09 Apr 2024Ep 31: Peak Legal Efficiency: Siddharth Manchanda, IndusLaw Partner & Unacademy External GC01:02:34

 What challenges face the legal team at India’s largest learning platform as they expand beyond online classrooms? How do you execute one thousand new contracts a month, and still find time to problem solve and aid core function?

Siddharth Manchanda, Partner at IndusLaw and External GC at Unacademy, has embraced tech and AI in order to free his team from the repetitive manual tasks borne from his company’s fast and massive growth. He’s found that increased efficiency is more than enough to shift the mindsets of traditional lawyers and business teams alike about the power and possibility  of tech solutions.

Hear Siddharth as he discusses the legal perspective on India’s massive economic growth, dividing his time between an in-house and client services role, the future of legal tech, and more.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-31

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Finding inspiration to practice law: 1:20
Building a career in India’s tech sector during the Great Recession: 6:40
Going in-house with Unacademy: 12:59
Key learnings from a first in-house GC role: 17:13
Considering the perception of legal within your organization: 22:21
Reflecting on the early days at Unacademy: 28:32
Marketing reduced contract drafting time internally: 36:32
Predicting the future of legal tech: 39:14
Using tech experience to change the way you deal with clients: 46:39
Balancing a GC role with a law firm partnership: 49:51
Advice to companies looking to enter the Indian market: 52:27
What you wish you’d know as a young lawyer 59:00

Connect with us:
Siddharth Manchanda - https://www.linkedin.com/in/siddharth-manchanda-0970801b/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

26 Jun 2024Ep 44: How an Opera Singer Became a Legal Ops Pro: Cory Clines, Legal Operations Consultant00:51:14

How can training to be a professional opera singer translate into the legal operations profession? How do you build a career in legal ops without any formal training? And what role should technology play–if any–in a strong legal ops program?

Cory Clines, Legal Operations Manager at Campari Group, was able to transfer valuable lessons from his life as a conservatory-trained opera singer into his fifteen-year-long career in legal ops, like the importance of collaboration and the need for a shared vision among teams. In his current role and at former companies like Advance Publications and Lloyd’s, Cory was able to leverage his love of technology into managerial roles that revolutionized legal processes with efficiency-maximizing software.

Listen as Cory discusses how to develop strong relationships with tech vendors, building legal ops teams from scratch, earning the trust of your GC, the best ways to run an RFP, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-44

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Training as an opera singer: 4:01
Considering skill transfer from opera to legal operations: 12:12
Moving forward by earning the trust of your GC: 14:46
Deciding to leverage technology in legal ops: 16:34
Running RFPs from an in-house perspective: 18:59
Identifying new opportunities to advance your legal ops career: 22:05
Advice to legal ops professionals who feel pigeonholed in one aspect of the role: 24:27
Considering how curiosity affects your work: 27:23
Questioning the need for tech expertise as a legal operations manager: 28:47
Looking back at tech implementations that went wrong: 31:20
Building a legal ops team from scratch at Campari: 38:14
Using tech to drive legal ops process: 41:15
Book recommendations: 46:01
What you wish you had known when you started in legal ops: 47:58

Connect with us:
Cory Clines - https://www.linkedin.com/in/corywilliamclines/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

26 Nov 2024Ep 69: Leading Teams Across Borders with Manuel Martinez-Herrera, BetterCloud GM00:40:15

What does a general manager role involve? How do you establish your company's first international office? And what skills from lawyering can you draw on to do it well?

Join Manuel Martinez-Herrera, General Manager and General Counsel at BetterCloud, as he shares his journey from law school in Spain to offices in Argentina and the U.S., to earning an LL.M at Harvard, jumping from big law to in-house counsel, moving beyond the GC role, and opening his company’s first office in Mexico City.

Listen as Manuel offers tips for lawyers who want to move into business roles, why it’s important to explore new and different opportunities, the traits that lawyers and software engineers share in common, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-69

Topics:

Introduction: 0:00
Why did you decide to practice law in United States?: 2:18
Gravitating towards in-house legal: 5:10
Feeling ready to lead a legal team: 7:32
Becoming General Manager at BetterCloud: 11:35
Shifting your mindset from legal to business: 13:43
Working with software engineers: 15:23
Transitioning from advisor to doer: 18:31
How has working as GM changed your relationship with the executive team?: 21:57
Leading a team through its maturation process: 24:19
Investing in company culture: 26:50
Tips for listeners thinking of taking a job abroad: 30:07
What’s next for Manuel: 32:12
Rapid-fire questions: 33:15
Book recommendations: 36:23
What Manuel wishes he’d known as a young lawyer: 38:50

Connect with us:
Manuel Martinez-Herrera - https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuel-martinez-herrera-71a2a763/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

04 May 2023Unlocking Success in In-House Legal Roles: Lessons from Doug Luftman, ex-DGC @DocuSign00:44:23

If you’re an in-house attorney, how do you set yourself up for learning and growth throughout a long career? How should you define success? Is it being named the General Counsel of a high-growth company? Or are there other paths for an interesting and inspiring career?

Join former DocuSign Deputy General Counsel Doug Luftman for an in-depth conversation around mentorship, management, and fulfillment at work. We talk through how Doug positioned himself to take on executive-level leadership roles, including as General Counsel of two different tech companies. We’ll also explore how he learned to thrive in high-pressure, cross-functional environments where constant learning and growth were required. And, in what can be a challenging job hunting environment, he’ll share tips for managing unexpected career transitions and emerging stronger on the other side.

05 Dec 2024Ep 70: Why GCs need to care about ESG with Christine Uri, Founder ESG for In-house Counsel00:42:10

If you're in the C-Suite, what do you really need to know about ESG? Is ESG the new privacy? And should ESG really be so controversial?

Join Christine Uri, founder of ESG for In-house Counsel, as she explains the importance of ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) to both public and private companies in today’s global regulatory climate.

Listen as Christine draws on more than a decade offering sustainability solutions to her corporate clients to explain how GCs can advocate for ESG to fellow executives, why ESG is great for the bottom line, and why, as she puts it, “ESG is the new privacy.”

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-70

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
What are sustainability solutions?: 4:03
The difference between Corporate Social Responsibility and Environmental, Social, and Governance: 7:36
Why she decided to launch a consulting company?: 10:09
Why should ESG matter to in-house counsels?: 11:59
Explaining why “ESG is the new privacy:” 15:28
How general counsels can advocate for adopting ESG practices: 20:11
Is ESG relevant at the board level?: 24:40
Why ESG has become politicized in the United States: 26:52
What ESG for In-house Counsel offers: 30:43
How to advocate for ESG at your company: 33:50
Rapid-fire questions: 36:50
Book recommendations: 38:29
What Christine wishes she’d known as a young lawyer: 40:02

Connect with us:
Christine Uri - https://www.linkedin.com/in/christineuri/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

28 Feb 2024Finding Empowerment in Disability: Raj Mahapatra, Senior Counsel at Wilson Sonsini00:56:04

How do you turn one of the most difficult moments in your life into the motivation that guides you to make the world a better place?

When Raj Mahapatra received his axial spondyloarthritis diagnosis, he was told he would spend his life in a wheelchair. Decades later, he is an accomplished long-distance runner, seasoned general counsel, tech start-up business operator, mission-driven climate advocate, and chairman of the charity that makes life better for people suffering from his condition worldwide.

Listen as Raj recounts his journey to leadership, explains the importance of advocating for your personal needs, and shares why it is so important for GCs to never stop asking “why?”

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-26

Topics:

Introduction: 1:20

Receiving a life-changing diagnosis in your twenties: 2:45

Changing your perspective on work by living with a disability: 6:27

Incorporating charity into your running practice: 13:17

Going beyond legal roles and into operator positions: 20:41

Fundraising as General Counsel and Head of Intellectual Property at Cervest Limited: 24:45

Reflecting on the experience of building and losing a business as a lawyer: 32:13

Resetting after a difficult work experience: 35:58

Joining Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati as Senior Counsel: 42:19

Building a meaningful life: 51:28

Connect with us:

Raj Mahapatra - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajmahapatra/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

31 Jan 2025Ep 81: What Every GC Should Know About Working With Founders with Sarah Irwin00:42:01

How do you advise founders and learn to speak their language? Build a thriving legal community in Europe? And navigate the ups and downs of starting your own business?

Join Sarah Irwin, CEO and Founder of Irish Tech GC, as she discusses her career as a consultant for tech founders, adviser for GCs looking to build better relationships with their fellow executives, angel investor, and global legal influencer.

Listen as Sarah shares how she founded the Irish Tech GC community, why she decided it was time to leave her GC role behind and go all-in on her own company, how she leveraged LinkedIn to create enormous reach, and offers tips to GCs on how they can position themselves as business leaders.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-81

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
What inspired Sarah to be a lawyer: 2:19
Assessing Dublin’s start-up landscape: 7:47
Working with founders at Tines: 9:44
Founding the Irish Tech GC community: 12:17
Seeing yourself as a founder: 15:12
Deciding to go all-in on your own company: 18:31
Operating a start-up and legal consulting practice: 20:01
Common mistakes that GCs make when working with founders: 21:51
Documenting the ups and downs of your founder journey on LinkedIn: 26:39
The best and most challenging parts of being a founder: 29:07
The future of Irish Tech GC: 33:01
Getting in touch with Sarah: 34:31
Rapid-fire questions: 35:15

Connect with us:
Sarah Irwin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-irwin-aa273064/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

31 Oct 2024Ep 64: How to build and scale legal teams?00:26:15

As top legal leaders across a variety of industries, our podcast guests are no strangers to building teams from scratch and scaling them to adapt to the needs of a rapidly expanding business.  

Listen as we share some of our favorite words of advice from past episodes about hiring and growing elite legal teams from some of the most seasoned general counsels and executives working today.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-64   

Topics:
You’re starting a leadership role at a new company. What’s your first move?: 0:06
You’re about to go public. How do you build an expert international legal team from scratch?: 2:51
How do you prepare your legal team to be the next generation of GCs and legal leaders?: 8:06
How do you prepare your domestic legal team for an international expansion?: 10:41
How do you bring in the right talent to build out your legal team?: 15:41
How do you identify whether a candidate has the skills they need to succeed on your legal team?: 18:17
How do you keep your team motivated to stay on during moments of crisis, like the Covid-19 pandemic?: 23:24   

Connect with us:  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft   

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.   
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

14 Jan 2025Ep 77: Thriving Through Change: Insights from Ron Bell, Collective Health CLO and Former Yahoo! GC01:01:07

How do you help one of Silicon Valley's most iconic companies, Yahoo!, navigate years of change, stay engaged over almost two decades there, and make the move to health tech when you're ready for something new?

Join Ron Bell, Chief Legal and Administrative Officer at Collective Health, as he shares his journey from Chicago litigator and software programming hobbyist to in-house lawyer at some of the hottest tech companies in the world during the dotcom renaissance.

Listen as Ron offers his insights on how to navigate the constant and radical changes he’s seen in the tech industry over three decades, the importance of creating spaces of trust and transparency, establishing legal operations in legacy businesses, and why people are so afraid of lawyers.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-77

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Charting a career course after law school: 2:04
Leaving Illinois for the Bay Area: 3:44
Working in legal at Apple as a former programmer: 6:45
Leaving Apple for Yahoo!: 10:17
Growing and changing at the same company for 18 years: 13:22
Setting up legal operations at Yahoo!: 17:25
Becoming the second Chief Legal Officer at Collective Health: 21:30
Building a strong relationship with Yahoo! CEO Marissa Mayer: 23:04
Navigating constant change: 29:45
Coaching your staff to be more accessible: 35:00
Paying attention to stock fluctuations: 39:13
Reflections on the maturing tech industry: 42:59
Deciding to move into healthcare: 46:50
Being open and candid with your colleagues: 48:45
Rapid-fire questions: 54:57

Connect with us:
Ron Bell - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronsbell/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

03 Jan 2025Ep 75: Must-Read Books for Legal Professionals in 2025 | Bonus Episode00:18:21

What are the top books that every legal leader needs to read to succeed in the new year?  

At the close of each episode, Tyler asks our guests what book they would recommend to our audience, and we’re kicking off 2025 with this year’s list of must-read books that you need to check out. Listen to hear titles that these CEOs, start-up founders, and GCs can’t live without.   

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-75  

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00  

Joe Green, Chief Innovation Officer Gunderson Dettmer, recommends Leading Professionals: Power, Politics, and Prima Donnas by Laura Empson: 0:42  

Rachel Olchowka, General Counsel & Chief People Officer at Fetch recommends Powerful: Building a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility by Patty McCord: 1:34  

Dan Haley, General Counsel at Guild Education recommends Helping Your Business Win by  Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, George Spafford: 2:39  

Chelsea Grayson, Managing Partner at Pivot, recommends Quench Your Own Thirst: Business Lessons Learned Over a Beer or Two by Jim Koch: 5:51

Aaron Gregory, CEO of Upwardly, recommends The Right It: Why So Many Ideas Fail and How to Make Sure Yours Succeed by Alberto Savoia: 7:38

Jasmine Singh, General Counsel at Ironclad, recommends The Practice of Groundedness: A Transformative Path to Success That Feeds--Not Crushes--Your Soul by Brad Stulberg: 10:03

Sean West, Co-Founder of Hence Technologies, recommends The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the Twenty-first Century's Greatest Dilemma by Michael Bhaskar and Mustafa Suleyman: 12:56

Jules Polonetsky, CEO of Future of Privacy, recommends: Privacy Is Hard and Seven Other Myths by JH Hoepman: 14:17

Heath Tarbert, Chief Legal Officer at Circle, recommends The Enchiridion of Epictetus: 14:57

Matt Tanielian, Co-Founder of Franklin Square Group, recommends How to Talk Dirty and Influence People: An Autobiography by Lenny Bruce: 16:21

Connect with us:
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft   

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.   

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

27 Mar 2025Ep 91: Why Legal Work Will Never Be the Same with SpotDraft's Shashank Bijapur and Akshay Verma00:44:08

Why is technology the right leverage point for improving how a legal team works together? What did it take to start and sustainably grow SpotDraft? And how do you transition from a more traditional legal career to one leading a legal tech business?

Join Shashank Bijapur, SpotDraft’s Co-Founder & CEO and Akshay Verma, SpotDraft’s COO as they sit down with Tyler Finn at the SpotDraft Summit 2025 and break down their journeys from lawyers to tech executives and legal innovators.

Listen as Shashank and Akshay discuss the origins of Spotdraft, offer their expert predictions on the future of legal work and AI, explain why legal operations professionals should aim for COO roles, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-91

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
What inspired Shashank to start SpotDraft: 2:38
Leading strong customer success teams: 4:40
Approaches to fundraising: 6:38
Looking back on Legal Ops at Facebook: 9:14
Where is the legal ops profession headed?: 11:45
Hiring a legal ops professional for COO roles: 13:06
Seeing yourself as a lawyer in the business world: 15:48
Building balance on an executive team: 18:19
Advice to lawyers looking to pivot: 21:27
How AI will evolve the way in-house teams work?: 25:06
Will lawyers accept AI risks?: 27:52
The future of law firms and AI: 32:50
Rapid-fire questions: 38:52

Connect with us:
Shashank Bijapur - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shashankbijapur/
Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management needs.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

28 May 2024Ep 40: Leveraging Social Media to Build a Legal Brand: Matt Margolis, Partner, Margolis PLLC00:31:06

Can you leverage a joke-filled social media brand to build your own business? How will the practice of law evolve in the age of AI? Is the billable hour going away?

Matt Margolis, Partner at Margolis PLLC, went from a single funny and relatable LinkedIn post about frustrations at work to growing a massive brand as @ItsMattsLaw across platforms like TikTok, X, and Instagram. Beyond expanding his network, it aided him as he made the leap from in-house to partner at his own law firm, Margolis PLLC.

Hear Matt discuss how he balances social content creation with legal work, starting his own law firm, serving as legal advisor to multiple companies, and how he thinks AI is shaping the future of legal work.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-40

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Building a major social media presence: 3:01
Managing the demands of content production: 8:59
Leveraging your persona profile to build brand awareness at LawTrades: 12:48
Starting your own legal firm: 14:45
Tracking the evolution of in-house legal roles: 18:17
Leveraging AI at your law firm: 20:47
Advising on community and partnerships at Justice HQ and Attorney Share: 24:11
Recommendations: 26:14
What you wish you had known as a young lawyer: 29:02

Connect with us:
Matt Margolis - https://www.linkedin.com/in/itsmattslaw/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

17 Jul 2024Ep 47: Steering Companies Through Crisis: Chelsea Grayson, Managing Partner at Pivot01:00:23

How do you build trust with investors who tap you for the CEO role? How do you prepare yourself to lead companies through some of their toughest moments, including bankruptcy, and guide other companies through their transformations as a board member?

Chelsea Grayson, managing partner of corporate restructuring at Pivot > and former CEO and board member of brands like American Apparel, True Religion, and Spark Networks, has steered many ships through rough waters, including post-chapter 11 turnarounds, corporate wind-downs, and firing CEOs for cause. She has transitioned from board member to operator and back again, and is currently sharing her expertise on the boards of Xponential Fitness and Beyond Meat.

Listen as Chelsea discusses her legendary journey from law firm partner to GC, CEO, Board Member, and now managing partner of an all-star corporate restructuring company, and offers tips to lawyers who are looking to find a board seat.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-46

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Rising to partner at Jones Day and Loeb & Loeb, two big LA-based law firms: 3:00
Transition to in-house legal (and a CEO role) at American Apparel: 9:35
Tips for building relationships with investors: 15:11
Managing CEO transitions: 18:34
Joining boards and positioning yourself as a good board member: 26:30
Becoming CEO of True Religion Jeans during a turnaround: 34:19
Sitting on the board of Sugarf ina after a bankruptcy turnaround: 37:45
Stepping into a tech CEO role at Spark Networks: 42:00
Founding Pivot >, a corporate restructuring company: 47:39
Book recommendations: 55:08
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 58:10

Connect with us:
Chelsea Grayson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelseagrayson24/
Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

10 Apr 2025Ep 93: Legal's Crisis Stories: SVB, Uber & More00:27:22

How do you navigate a crisis? Data breaches, bank collapses, CEO transitions, and global recessions are just a few of the hazards that can challenge general counsels and other executives and threaten the future of their businesses.  

In this episode, we’re sharing stories of resilience and tough lessons learned from some of the legal and business leaders who have joined us on The Abstract. Keep listening for advice that could prove handy in an emergency.  

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-93  

Topics
Introduction: 0:00

Vanessa Wu, GC at Rippling, on surviving the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank: 0:42

Joe Sullivan, CEO of Joe Sullivan Security, on the personal fallout from a data breach at Uber: 7:45

Heath Tarbert, Chief Legal Officer and Head of Corporate Affairs at Circle, on gaining career momentum from the great recession: 12:40

Kristin Sverchek, former President of Lyft, dealing with executive roles and hiring during a crisis: 15:07

Dan Haley, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary at Guild, on managing CEO transitions in a time of crisis: 18:25

Sean West, Co-Founder at Hence Technologies, on how general counsels can get better at navigating political risks: 21:55

Chelsea Grayson, Managing Partner of Corporate Restructuring at Pivot , on sitting on a corporate board during a crisis: 24:21

Connect with us:
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

08 Dec 2023Defining Ethical Use & Dealing with Law Enforcement: Mark Kahn, Partner and Head of Consumer at Protégé Search00:47:22

How does legal determine what is acceptable user behavior? How do lawyers weigh the needs of users and concerns from law enforcement to arrive at the best guidelines for responsibly protecting our data?

Join Protégé Search Partner and Head of Consumer Mark Kahn as he shares his experiences on the front lines of privacy protection in his roles as VP of Ethical Use at Twilio and Deputy General Counsel at Whatsapp. In a time of major international crises, how do tech companies navigate the difficult questions about ethics, acceptable use, and fairness?

We’ll hear about his journey from the Oakland A’s, to the legal teams of tech’s biggest players, to his newest career guiding others on their professional career paths as an executive recruiter. We’ll also get some tips about recognizing when you’re in the right role, how to make a leap to the executive suite, and when to step back from a stressful position.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-18

Topics:

Introduction: 00:05

Starting your career in product with your dream organization: 1:22

Working your way up the corporate food chain to Whatsapp: 6:22

How Whatsapp differed from his expectations: 12:39

Knowing when to step back from a stressful role and leave: 18:27

Taking time off and negotiating a role at Segment: 24:13

Working with an executive coach: 29:13

The Segment/Twilio acquisition and carving out a new role for “VP of Ethical Use:” 30:13

Stepping away from law into exec recruiter role: 38:15

Demystifying the job seeking experience: 40:29

“Designing Your Life” and advice to his younger self: 43:23

Connect with us:

Mark Kahn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markkahn2/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

03 Nov 2023Being a Business-Minded Lawyer: Kathy Zhu, Co-founder, CEO & GC @Streamline AI00:34:35

Scuba diving and entrepreneurship have a lot more in common than you may think.

From staying calm in high-pressure situations to overcoming challenges and facing your fears head on, it is no coincidence that Kathy Zhu, Co-founder and CEO of Streamline AI, finds solace in both the deep waters of the ocean and the unpredictable start-up world.

Join Kathy and SpotDraft’s Tyler Finn as they dive into the pivotal moments that led her to take a leap of faith and co-found Streamline AI, and how her upbringing fueled her drive to overcome and adapt to changing circumstances.

They talk about Kathy’s transition from AGC at DoorDash to CEO and co-founder of Streamline AI, how she identified the right co-founder, lessons learned throughout her career, how her passion for scuba diving influences her leadership philosophy, and more.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-14


Topics:

Introduction: 0:00

Becoming an in-house counsel: 1:30

Persevering during life pivots: 3:45

Taking a leap of faith and building a start-up: 5:24

Identifying the right co-founder: 8:05

Transitioning to CEO of Streamline AI: 10:16

Learning about leadership from scuba diving: 18:01

Leveraging law experience in product development: 22:53

Advice for legal tech buyers on where to start: 26:55

Embracing new technology in law: 30:14

Breaking the mindset of resisting change: 33:49


Resources mentioned in the episode:

Legal Intake and Workflow Software Buyer’s Guide: https://hubs.li/Q027tCb00


Connect with us:

Kathy Zhu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathymzhu88/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

Streamline AI - https://www.streamline.ai/


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

12 Sep 2024Ep 55: Why Upwardli CEO Aaron Gregory Took the Leap from GC to Founder00:55:23

How do you make the leap from lawyer to founder? How do you craft the perfect pitch? What does it take to fundraise effectively? And how far will your legal know-how take you when you’re accountable for every function in the business?

Join Aaron Gregory, Co-founder and CEO of Upwardli, as he shares his journey from general counsel to start-up leader. Starting his career in the highly regulated telecom and fintech industries, Aaron relied on lessons he learned while earning his JD-MBA to start a company that solves the challenges of credit invisibility for more than 50 million people in the United States.

Listen as Aaron discusses how he took on the challenges that all first-time founders face–like pitching to VCs, fundraising, and growing into the CEO role—and shifted his mindset from that of a risk-conscious legal leader to a business-focused operator.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-55

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Forging a career in highly regulated legal areas: 1:25
Advice to law students considering a JD-MBA: 7:20
Teaching yourself to become comfortable with uncertainty: 9:57
Leaving Remitly right before it went public to found a start-up: 15:10
Unpacking Upwardli: 18:42
Bringing your business to a start-up accelerator: 22:26
Fundraising for your start-up: 27:05
Making an effective pitch: 33:15
Growing into the CEO role: 36:16
Building Upwardli in Milwaukee, Wisconsin: 44:43
Bonus questions: 48:48
Book recommendations: 51:29
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 53:02

Connect with us:
Aaron Gregory - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amgregory/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

09 Jan 2025Ep 76: Lawtrades Co-Founders on Creating a Gig Economy for Lawyers00:57:10

How are marketplaces for legal work transforming the way that we work and the way that we live, creating opportunities for a better match between what you need from work and the work that you do?

Join Lawtrades co-founders Raad Ahmed and Ashish Walia, as they discuss their path from dissatisfied law school graduates to running a powerhouse legal services startup that links white collar freelancers to legal departments, with $9.7 million in venture backing and $12 million in annual recurring revenue.

Listen as Raad and Ashish talk about taking the leap to start a company, making difficult business pivots, working with leading startup accelerators, bringing the management suite into the gig economy, democratizing opportunities for entrepreneurial lawyers, building strong relationships with clients and investors, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-76

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Why two start-up founders went to law school: 2:04
Deciding to go all in on your start-up: 5:46
Participating in the 500 Startup accelerator: 10:49
Pivoting your business model to match talent with legal departments: 17:58
Is gig work good for workers?: 20:33
Cultivating a diverse and gender equitable talent pool: 25:18
Removing administrative burden for independent legal professionals: 28:17
Changing course and enduring layoffs: 30:09
Getting buy-in from team members and investors: 35:30
Managing stressful times in business and coming out the other side: 39:56
What’s next for Lawtrades?: 43:34
Rapid-fire questions: 46:36
Book recommendations: 50:13
What you wish you’d known as a young founder: 53:19

Connect with us:
Raad Ahmed - https://www.linkedin.com/in/raadahmed/
Ashish Walia - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashishwalia1/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

25 Feb 2025Ep 85: From Coding to the C-Suite with Ryan Nier, GC Nova Credit01:00:36

What if you never really wanted or expected to become a lawyer? How do you navigate imposter syndrome? And where do you find meaning in your work?

Join Ryan Nier, General Counsel, Chief Compliance Officer, and Head of People at Nova Credit, as he shares his career path from being a self-taught computer programmer who founded his own start-up to a decade as a litigation associate at a global law firm, eventually landing as a general counsel at companies with a positive impact on the world.

Listen as Ryan discusses his struggles with imposter syndrome, feeling like the only person in the room with a unique background, hiring great people for roles you’ve never done before, and his side project of creating a documentary podcast about the time he and his brother dug up some (literal) buried gold.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-85

Topics
Introduction 0:00
Starting as a software engineer: 2:17
Enrolling in law school: 5:34
Managing imposter syndrome: 9:58
Hiring diverse talent: 16:44
Why representation matters: 23:42
Transitioning to in-house legal: 27:08
Making the leap to general counsel: 32:22
Expanding beyond legal into the people function: 39:52
Creating and hosting a podcast about your family: 45:18
Rapid-fire questions: 53:30

Connect with us:
Ryan Nier - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryannier/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

27 Feb 2025Ep 86: Why In-House Lawyers Need Each Other with Shai Mehani, CEO In-House Connect01:03:05

Why build a big tent community of in-house lawyers without restrictions on who can join? How do you manage the transition from in-house lawyer to founder? And can you keep space for your religious faith during the process?

Join Shai Mehani, co-founder and CEO of In-House Connect, as he shares why he left his career as a corporate counsel behind to lead a thriving community of more than fifty thousand in-house lawyers that offers connection, education, professional advancement and more.

Listen as Shai discusses his journey from matrimonial law to corporate counsel, transforming a regular meetup for lawyers into an extraordinary organization, finding unexpected benefits in fractional work, the best way to quit a job, and the importance of prioritizing personal faith and family over your career.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-86

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
Why Shai went to law school: 2:46
Starting his legal career in matrimonial law: 5:34
The beginnings of In-House Connect: 12:49
Expanding beyond NYC and online: 19:45
Taking an inclusive big tent approach: 23:47
Taking on fractional work: 30:15
Going all-in on In-House Connect: 36:52
The best way to quit job: 42:47
Finding guidance in your faith: 46:00
What’s next for In-House Connect: 50:09
How to contact Shai and get involved: 55:29
Rapid-fire questions: 56:17

Connect with us:
Shai Mehani - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaimehani/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

11 Mar 2025Ep 88: From Prosecutor to Security Leader – Joe Sullivan (ex-CSO: Uber, Facebook, Cloudflare)00:54:05

How do you make the transition from federal prosecutor to security leader? Help secure some of the world's largest technology companies? And build yourself back up after being convicted by a federal jury for your company's handling of a data breach?

Join Joe Sullivan, CEO of Joe Sullivan Security and the non-profit Ukraine Friends, as he reflects on the trial and sentencing he endured for a data breach at Uber to interpret the manifold challenges the chief security officers face each day.

Listen as Joe shares his journey from the first full-time cyber federal prosecutor in the country to legal and security leader at eBay, Paypal, Facebook, Uber, and Cloudflare, why lawyers need to work closely with security teams, the relationship between security and privacy, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-88

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
Becoming the CEO of Ukraine Friends: 2:43
Getting a start in cyber: 13:55
Transitioning from tech-savvy prosecutor to trust and safety at eBay and Paypal: 17:18
Taking on security at Facebook: 22:20
The challenges that face chief security officers: 24:03
How legal teams and security can work better together: 26:23
The difference between a chief security officer and a CISO: 30:03
Navigating the fallout of the data breach at Uber: 32:02
Working at Cloudflare during the Uber trial: 37:21
Building a private security practice: 38:28
Joe’s biggest learnings from the trial: 44:01
Rapid-fire questions: 46:08

Connect with us:
Joe Sullivan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joesu11ivan/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

29 Aug 2024Ep 53: What it takes to lobby for Apple, Google & Intel with Matt Tanielian00:44:50

What do you need to know if you're ready to launch a government affairs strategy? How do you find the right lobbyist? And how has lobbying for tech companies changed over the last decade?

Join Matt Tanielian, Co-founder of Franklin Square Group, a bipartisan government relations, as he shares key insights from his decades of experience advocating for tech companies and bridging the gap between Silicon Valley and Washington. D.C. From advising senators on foundation internet legislation like the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and the Microsoft antitrust investigation, to lobbying for Apple as it launched its first iPhone in 2008, Matt has been instrumental to tech firms as they navigate the intricacies of Capitol Hill.

Listen as Matt discusses how to work with politicians and government relations consultants, the value of joining coalitions and trade associations, the future of AI policy, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-53

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Attending law school in Washington, D.C.: 3:51
Working for a committee vs. working for a congressperson: 5:05
Questioning whether policy work requires a law degree: 7:12
Launching your own government relations firm: 10:17
Analyzing the evolving conversation around around tech in Washington: 13:15
Hiring your company’s first government relations consultant: 15:35
Joining and organizing coalitions and industry organizations: 20:58
Choosing who will represent your company in D.C.: 26:20
Avoiding common mistakes: 28:30
Envisioning the future of AI policy: 30:32
Advising companies during an election year: 34:42
Tracking the changing nature of lobbying: 36:09
Book recommendations: 38:14
Lobbying vs. government relations: 40:23
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 42:47

Connect with us:
Matt Tanielian - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matttanielian/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

05 Sep 2024Ep 54: Lyft's Kristin Sverchek on Expanding Beyond Legal into Corporate Leadership00:48:45

How can C-suite leaders take on challenging political issues that affect their company? How do you pursue a path of professional growth at a company over the course of a decade? What's required for taking on wide-ranging responsibilities at the executive level?

Join Kristin Sverchek, President of Lyft, as she discusses how she joined a small start-up as their first general counsel and grew with it as it transformed into a global ride-sharing powerhouse with a multi-billion dollar IPO.

Listen as she discusses the unexpected management challenges she faced and conquered internally as her role expanded beyond legal, as well as the external challenges of taking strong stances to protect her drivers in the face of adverse political climates. She also offers advice for lawyers looking to expand beyond the legal function and shares stories about innovating in industries where regulations haven’t been updated in over a century.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-54

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Finding your way to Lyft: 3:51
Taking on your first GC role at Lyft: 6:23
Building a legal team at a rapidly growing start-up: 8:23
Helping lead the IPO process: 10:48
Comparing work at public and private companies: 14:39
Dealing with the challenges of executive roles: 17:20
Transitioning into the President of Business Affairs role: 21:45
Working with an executive coach during major career transitions: 26:08
Advice to lawyers who want to take on GC “plus” roles: 27:56
Defining and living your values at Lyft: 30:30
Taking on the role of President: 35:58
Departing Lyft: 38:42
Book recommendation: 45:52
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 46:58

Connect with us:
Kristin Sverchek: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinsverchek/
Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

10 Jul 2024Ep 46: What You Wish You Had Known at the Start of Your Career | Bonus Episode00:11:01

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-46

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Deanna Papedis on adopting a strategic mindset and keeping your eye on the big picture: 1:05
Hardeep Singh on congratulating yourself when you reach a career milestone: 2:10
Vineet Shahani on dealing with career lows and leaning on your communication skills: 3:50
Nguyễn Vu on establishing strong relationships with people who can move the needle on your career: 6:09
Sagi Eliyahu on knowing when the world is ready for your idea: 8:49

Connect with us:
Deanna Papedis - https://www.linkedin.com/in/deanna-papedis/
Hardeep Singh - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hardeep-singh-863b1617/
Vineet Shahani - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vineetshahani
Nguyen Vu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nguyentvu/  
Sagi Eliyahu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliyahusagi/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.  
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

21 Nov 2024Ep 68: From Litigator to Spin Instructor to Chief Legal Officer with Jasmine Singh00:49:39

Have you ever considered quitting your job outright because you felt like you were being pulled farther and farther away from your calling? And then finding your way back through a career change that's very different?

Join Jasmine Singh, former Chief Legal and People Officer at Binti, as she shares lessons she learned after taking time away from the legal profession about how to recalibrate your career to align with your principles and passions, and how a year instructing a spin class landed her the in-house role that led her all the way to the executive suite.

Listen as Jasmine discusses knowing when it’s the right time to quit, how to rely on your network and give back back to your community, realigning your career to match your values, getting your foot in the door as in-house counsel, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-67

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Why Jasmine chose to become a lawyer: 2:36
Knowing when to take a break: 5:50
Teaching spin classes: 14:06
Getting your first in-house role at 24 Hour Fitness: 18:26
How to position yourself during an in-house job interview: 21:36
Transitioning into tech counsel: 25:29
Explaining Binti and it’s mission: 30:59
Fulfilling a philanthropic mission with Dincert Movement: 36:22
Tips for people who feel stuck at work: 40:29
Rapid-fire questions: 42:54
Book recommendations: 44:19
What Jasmine wishes she’d known as a young lawyer: 47:35

Connect with us:
Jasmine Singh - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasmine-singh-b4a25274/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

31 Jan 2024Expanding Beyond the GC Role | Bonus Episode00:22:47

Interested in expanding beyond the traditional role of General Counsel?
Join us in this episode to find out how legal leaders redefine their roles. Discover insights that transform legal professionals into strategic business leaders – from smoothly transitioning to CEO to mastering adaptive communication in enterprise strategy.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-23

Topics:
Introduction: 00:00
Evan Ferl on taking the legal landscape beyond its limits: 01:16
René Paula on enterprise strategy and adaptive communication: 06:55
Kathy Zhu on mastering the legal to CEO transition: 09:11
Vanessa Gage on navigating interim leadership challenges: 12:15
Genessa Stout on mastering legal insight and business success: 17:19
Outro: 20:30


Subscribe now for valuable perspectives on Google Podcasts/Apple Podcasts/Spotify.

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

Featured guests:
Evan Ferl: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanferl/
René Paula: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rpaula/
Kathy Zhu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathymzhu88/
Vanessa Gage: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vgage/
Genessa Stout: https://www.linkedin.com/in/genessastout/

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

09 Jan 2024From FBI Dreams to Big Tech Legal: Alice Bisgrove, VP & Associate General Counsel, Procore00:35:40

After an unexpected detour from her initial plans to join the FBI, Alice Bisgrove built a career in tech law working for tech giants like Cisco and Procore.

In this episode, she discusses how she remained a legal generalist for over a decade at Cisco, taking on new roles and building relationships across the massive organization.

Alice describes her transition to Procore as it grew from an established startup to a public company. From her impactful career journey, we will learn lessons on collaboration, problem-solving perspectives, and continually adapting to new opportunities.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-21

Topics:

01:07 Introduction

04:36 Moving into the tech field

09:57 Sensing when an applicant is hungry to work

11:01 Staying curious as a corporate generalist at Cisco

15:03 Driving alignment after identifying a major problem

20:24 Building trust with stakeholders in your business

21:42 Finding ways to maintain customer centricity

25:46 Transitioning to Procore Technologies

27:38 Working cross-functionally

30:08 Management role and building a team

32:11 Book recommendations

33:54 Advice to younger self

Connect with us:

Alice Bisgrove - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicebisgrove

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

21 Jan 2025Ep 78: Blueprint for the Ultimate Legal Ops Team with Steph Corey, CEO UpLevel Ops & Co-Founder LINK00:53:30

How can general counsels and legal operations leaders work better together? How do you cultivate a high-performance culture across your legal team? And what makes for a thriving community of legal ops professionals?

Join Steph Corey, CEO and Co-founder of UpLevel Ops and Link, the Legal Innovators Network, as she unpacks her career leading legal operations, starting at HP in the 90s, leading operations at Flex and VMware, co-founding the game-changing CLOC and Link conferences, and launching her own consultancy.

Listen as Steph discusses how she built community in an isolating legal role, whether or not you need a law degree to work in legal ops, how to hire the best talent for your team, and merging with The L Suite to bring general counsels into the legal operations conversation.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-78

Topics:

Introduction: 0:00
Switching to legal ops from finance: 2:50
Building trust with HP’s general counsel: 5:33
Co-founding CLOC, the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium: 11:21
Do you need a JD to break into legal operations?: 15:47
Tips for finding the right talent: 18:55
How can legal operations professionals and general counsels work better together?: 23:03
Co-founding Link: 28:44
Merging Link with The L Suite: 31:54
The future of her consultancy: 38:23
Connecting with Steph and LINK: 40:27
Rapid-fire questions: 41:11
Book Recommendations: 45:46
What you wish you’d known as a young legal ops professional: 49:30

Connect with us:
Steph Corey - https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephcorey-ulo/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

10 Oct 2024Ep 60: Sharing Legal Secrets Onstage with Playwright and ex-Etsy and Vroom GC Sarah Feingold00:34:27

Where's the intersection in a career as a creative and as a lawyer? What stories would you tell if you were writing a play about your career in startup law? How do you go and convince some accomplished actors to sign up and perform it off-broadway?  

Join Sarah Feingold, the legal expert and playwright behind Dirty Legal Secrets: Based on True Startups—running Off-Broadway this October in New York City—as she shares her experience collecting and staging anonymous stories from startup lawyers that they can’t tell themselves. She leveraged her own experience as the first general counsel at start-ups Etsy and Vroom.   

Listen as Sarah discusses how she leveraged her own experience as the first general counsel at start-ups Etsy and Vroom to tell other lawyers’ brave legal stories, how to balance your creative pursuits with legal work, how to expand beyond in-house to advise, teach, and join boards, and much more.  

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-60  

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Becoming Etsy’s first lawyer (and 17th hire): 2:48
Transitioning to General Counsel at Vroom: 6:57
Writing a play: 9:18
Getting started on your first draft: 13:59
Finding actors and producing your own play: 16:52
Learning to promote yourself after a career in legal: 19:54
Staging Dirty Legal Secrets: 21:37
Keeping your creative spirit alive while working full-time: 25:28
Leaning into a “portfolio” career: 28:20
Favorite part of your day and pet peeves: 30:13
Book recommendations: 31:24
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 33:21

Cellunova Productions presents Dirty Legal Secrets  
October 17-27, NYC
Buy tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dirty-legal-secrets-tickets-1001791825317  

Connect with us:
Sarah Feingold: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahfeingold/  
Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.  

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

22 Dec 2023Championing Inclusion, Ethics & Compliance: Junna Ro, Head of Strategic Legal Initiatives, UC Office of the President00:51:31

When you disagree with your boss, should you let it go or take a stand? How do you lean into your integrity and vocalize your beliefs, especially when you aren’t aware of the strength of your own voice? And how do you advise your company to do the right thing, as well?

Junna Ro, the head of strategic legal initiatives for UC Legal at the UC Office of the President, has spent decades inhabiting leadership positions in the insurance and tech industry, both as the former general counsel at Metromile and the chief ethics & compliance officer at CSAA. But entering the world of legal without the connections and role models of her law school peers, she also knows what it’s like to be an outsider.

Join Junna as she shares her passion for diversity, inclusion, ethics, and representation, as well her journey to discovering the power of speaking out and standing up for your convictions.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-20

Topics:

Introduction: 1:09

Taking a break from legal work and reflecting: 2:22

Book recommendations: 9:23

Sharing the cultural context of your upbringing: 12:11

Existing as both a legal outsider and a legal insider: 15:16

Finding the courage to speak up in high-pressure moments: 17:34

Defining the difference between ethics and compliance in legal: 23:16

Moving into a General Counsel position at Metromile: 26:49

Taking a stand against Asian hate: 33:55

Advising executive teams on taking a stand on social issues: 39:23

Offering advice to leaders about tackling difficult topics: 44:16

Reflecting on failures: 44:56

Advice for young lawyers: 46:56

Connect with us:

Junna Ro: https://www.linkedin.com/in/junnaro/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

29 Mar 2024EP 29: What's Next for Legal Ops: Jenn McCarron, President of CLOC00:52:11

What can a strong community offer a legal ops professional working alone within their organization? How do you deal with the stress of a chaotic project management role while fostering change? Will legal ops eventually shift away from legal and into the business and tech sphere?

Jenn McCann, Director of Legal Ops at Netflix and President of the Board of Directors at CLOC can offer an expert perspective on all of these questions and more.

During her term as CLOC president, she is strengthening the organizations to community, content, and conversation, and developing a legal ops framework for CLOC’s more than 7,000 members.  
Hear Jenn talk about finding the courage to share your ideas, building and leaning on your community of fellow legal ops professionals, emphasizing the importance of project management, allowing change to take shape, and more.  

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-29  

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Advancing the legal ops industry at CLOC as President of the Board of Directors: 3:35
Getting started with CLOC: 7:22
Unpacking the mindset of service and giving back: 11:21
Lessons learned as CLOC president: 14:23
Advice for professionals getting their start in legal ops: 17:24
Hiring detail-oriented staff with stakeholder management skills: 22:07
Recommending platforms for learning project management skills: 26:04
Dealing with the loneliness of a one-of-one role: 30:25
Legal ops as a business team vs legal ops as a legal team: 37:06
Focusing on the future: 41:02
Maintaining an after-hours music career: 46:47

Connect with us:
Jenn McCarron - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennmccarron/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn S
potDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft   

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.  

26 Mar 2024Ep 28: From Law Partner to Top Recruiter: Richard Hsu, Managing Director at Major, Lindsey & Africa00:34:38

How do executive recruiters take legal careers to the next level? What do you need to handle the transition from big-name law firm partner to a role helping people build careers of their own? How can you distinguish a good interview from a bad interview? Richard Hsu, Managing Director at Major, Lindsey & Africa and host of the Hsu Untied podcast, has expert advice to share about how to ace the job interview for executive legal roles and the podcast interview with influential thinkers like Mark Cuban and Tony Robbins.  Going deep on legal and podcasting, Richard shares essential tips on how to project confidence and say the right things when you’re face to face with a hiring manager (or celebrity) who can take your career to the next level.

Listen to an episode of Richard’s Hsu Untied podcast: https://hsuuntied.com/mcuban/   

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-28   

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Finding your path to becoming a law firm partner: 4:07
Dealing with the stress of a big law partnership: 6:46
Making the transition from law firm partner to executive recruiter: 8:45
Unpacking the responsibilities of an executive recruiter: 12:25
Tactical tips for legal career searchers: 16:13
Interviewing legal leaders like Mark Cuban on the Hsu Untied podcast: 18:32
Helping your professional development by making a podcast: 24:14
Advice to lawyers who want to start a podcast: 26:56
Book recommendations: 29:57
What you wish you’d known as a starting lawyer: 32:29
Outro:33:54  

Connect with us:
Richard Hsu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardhsu/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft   

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

15 Dec 2023Taking the Helm as an Interim Executive: Vanessa Gage, General Counsel, Cedar00:34:02

What does it mean for a lawyer to take on an interim role? Yes, there will be more work and your time will be divided across functions. But you will also get the opportunity to reevaluate why things are the way they are, and make positive improvements for your legal team.

Join Cedar General Counsel Vanessa Gage as she shares advice on how to make the most of an interim executive roles. Vanessa stepped into the role of interim CFO at Cedar following a surprise executive departure—just weeks after she the started at the company. But it wasn’t her first time taking on an interim position. Find out how she was able to tackle the challenges—and rewards—that lay ahead.

This episode, recorded before Cedar filled their CFO role, offers a glimpse into Vanessa’s perspective as she temporarily extends beyond her purview as general counsel.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-19

Topics:

Introduction: 00:48

Moving from Deputy General Counsel to Interim GC at Opendoor: 3:03

Advice for lawyers stepping into interim positions: 5:49

Catapulting into a GC role at Cedar and taking on the responsibility of Interim CFO: 11:07

Advice for GCs who find themselves taking on additional interim roles: 17:17

Pushing the business forward without tying your successor’s hands: 21:40

Preparing to step back from your interim role: 27:12

What you are proud of and book recommendations: 31:25

Connect with us:

Vanessa Gage: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vgage/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

28 Jan 2025Ep 80: Insights on Privacy with Ron De Jesus, the Industry's First Field Chief Privacy Officer00:45:01

How do you become a leader in the privacy space? Use video and content to make privacy and the profession more accessible? And define a whole new type of privacy role?

Join Ron De Jesus, Field Chief Privacy Officer at Transcend, as he shares what it’s like to be the first in the compliance industry to take on his innovative new role leading dialogues and creating spaces for discussion about the future of privacy. Pulling from his experience leading privacy at dating app companies like Grindr and Tinder and fashion houses like Tapestry and Coach, Ron leads with his extensive domain knowledge and first-hand understanding of privacy-related issues.

Listen as Ron discusses how he conducts interviews with privacy regulators, politicians, and activists in his video series “Field Notes,” the future of the CPO role in the age of AI, managing corporate reputations after privacy complaints, how to break into privacy without a law degree, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-80

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
What is a Field Chief Privacy Officer?: 1:50
Producing a creative video webseries at Transcend: 6:54
Experimenting with video content as a freelance privacy consultant: 12:05
Coming into a role at a company dealing with privacy complaints: 15:50
Managing privacy-related communications issues: 19:01
Navigating a career break after alleging wrongful termination: 21:53
Thinking about new consent frameworks in the privacy industry: 24:40
How did you get your start in privacy?: 27:57
What is the future of the CPO role?: 33:56
Advice to young people who want to work in privacy: 36:19
How to find Ron: 39:34
Rapid-fire questions: 40:01
Book Recommendations: 41:28
What you wish you’d known as a young privacy professional: 42:42

Connect with us:
Ron De Jesus - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rondejesus/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

19 Jun 2024Ep 43: Why Foreign-Trained Lawyers are Essential: Flavia Naves, Of Counsel, Hathaway & Kunz, LLP00:34:31

If you're a foreign-trained lawyer who wants to move to the U.S., how do you find a job? Why should companies look to foreign-trained lawyers in an increasingly globalized world? And how should you navigate moments of big career transitions?

Flavia Naves, former general counsel at Circle, relocated to the United States after studying law in her native country of Brazil, and went on to become an authority on law and regulation related to crypto, fintech, digital payments, and much more. In addition to her long lost of leading legal roles, she is also a board member, of counsel at Kunz and Hathaway, and commissioner of the State of Wyoming’s Stable Token Commission.

Listen as Flavia shares the challenges she faced as a foreign-trained lawyer, why she advocates for mentorship and specialized training, what it’s like facing unexpected career transitions, and how she came to realize that her biggest differences are her biggest strengths.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-43

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Moving to the United States after growing up and studying law in Brazil: 2:44
Entering the legal job market as a foreign-trained attorney: 3:51
Seeking mentorship from other foreign-trained lawyers: 8:18
Why companies should consider more foreign-trained attorneys: 11:23
Considering LLMs: 14:36
Navigating moments of career transition: 18:24
Deciding to leave your GC role at Circle: 20:36
Life after Circle: 25:38
Book recommendations: 31:15
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 32:42

Connect with us:
Flavia Naves - https://www.linkedin.com/in/fnaves
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

23 Apr 2024Ep 35: Growing Your Personal Brand and Legal Network on LinkedIn: Brittany Leonard, GC at Civix00:34:49

How do you build a personal brand on LinkedIn that strengthens your ties to the legal community, grows your network, and even helps other lawyers? And how do you convert that brand into a successful and rewarding consulting business with an impressive client base?

Brittany Leonard, General Counsel at Civix, started her journey to LinkedIn legal community influencer at the beginning of the pandemic, and went from a single post with minor engagement to an in-house advice powerhouse with more than 26,000 followers. Now she runs a successful consulting business where she trains GCs and businesses to understand the power of a personal brand to get new clients and grow revenue.

Hear Brittany as she shares tips for growing your own presence on LinkedIn, starting a consulting business, breaking out of the networking-event malaise, dealing with abusive workplaces, and more.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-35 

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Starting your career in local government before entering law school: 2:24
Finding a path to your first general counsel role: 3:54
Approaching the GC role with a business mindset: 10:03
Rebuilding your confidence after working under an abusive boss: 11:43
Building a personal brand on LinkedIn: 16:34
Advice to lawyers who have never posted on LinkedIn before: 19:39
Launching a consulting business on the back of your social presence: 24:54
Tips for creating your own business: 28:22
Book recommendations: 29:36
What you wish you had known as a young lawyer: 32:08

Annual Compensation Report: https://salary-report.spotdraft.com/

Connect with us:
Brittany Leonard - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brittany-leonard-b3a7b2a4/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

05 Oct 2023Navigating Ownership Transitions From PE to Public Holdings: Brian Chase, GC, ServiceChannel00:41:02

Mergers and acquisitions, private equity buyouts, and transformative deals are part of business. But what's it like for the lawyers making them happen?

Get an insider look at high-stakes corporate transformations from Brian Chase, GC of ServiceChannel. Brian shares a candid glimpse into the complexities behind major corporate moves as he delves into his experiences navigating company changes under different owners, handling new responsibilities, and adapting to shifting corporate structures along the way.

We also discuss:

— what it means to be “more than just legal” as a general counsel,

— what it’s like to work at an early-stage company and set the foundation for the legal team,

— how to overcome budget constraints and train your team members to fill the gaps in your team, and more.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-12


Topics:

Introduction: 00:00

Navigating transitions in ownership structures and responsibilities: 01:13

Lack of communication leading to frustration regarding desired roles and responsibilities: 07:30

Being the GC of a subsidiary in a public holdings company: 10:03

Building internal credibility and expanding beyond legal: 12:14

Identifying your strengths and weaknesses, and communicating them: 15:39

Brian’s experience as employee #31 at Foursquare: 20:03

The importance of networking in growing your career and opening up to opportunities: 26:00

Training people up to fill gaps in your team and overcome budget constraints: 30:41

The evolution of the structure of in-house legal teams: 33:36

Concluding questions around failures and learnings: 37:09


Resources mentioned in the episode:

Take the StandOut Assessment: https://www.tmbc.com/standout-assessment/

Register for the SpotDraft Summit 2023: https://www.spotdraft.com/spotdraft-summit-2023-newyork


Connect with us:

Brian Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-r-chase/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

02 Jul 2024Ep 45: What Executive Recruiters Need from GCs: Joelle Khoury, Consultant at Egon Zehnder00:37:58

What does a former GC-turned-executive recruiter wish she'd known about creating a personal brand, working with search firms, and negotiating the offer? How do executive recruiters help take careers where they need to go—not just to the next level? And when is the right time to start building a meaningful relationship with executive recruiters?

Joelle Khoury, consultant at Egon Zehnder, built a towering career as an in-house counsel at private equity giants like Saban Capital Group and Fifth Wall and at law firms including Cooley LLP and Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP. But when the time came to make a change, she pivoted from leading to legal to helping other lawyers find the career paths that best suit their interests.

Listen as Joelle shares insider tips on how to reach out to executive recruiters, navigate the interview and offer processes, the wrong way to approach a negotiation, and when to reassess whether the profession you’ve chosen is still the right one for you.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-45

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Building a legal career at Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher and Cooley LLP: 3:09
Comparing Saban Capital Group with Fifth Wall: 5:55
Advice to lawyers raising capital for the first time: 8:16
Leaving Fifth Wall and reassessing your career plan: 9:55
Taking time off before joining Egon Zehnder: 11:22
Transitioning from a legal career to executive recruiting at Egon Zehnder: 16:07
Advice to executives looking to executive recruiters for new opportunities: 21:43
Tips for nailing the interview process: 26:10
Tips for negotiating after receiving an offer: 29:40
Lessons you learned as a recruiter that you wish you’d known as a GC: 33:33
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 35:27

Connect with us:
Joelle Khoury - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelle-khoury-21959814
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

22 Jun 2023Riding Tech Booms and Busts as a Lawyer: Perspectives from David Lancelot00:46:45

Join us for an inspiring conversation with David Lancelot, a seasoned legal leader who has fearlessly embraced the ever-evolving world of technology. While being a tech lawyer is undoubtedly exciting right now, David's journey dates back to a time when it was considered too daring to venture into this domain.

With firsthand experiences of seeing the dot-com boom, surviving the crash, and now witnessing the resurgent growth of the tech industry, David's wisdom is invaluable. We had the pleasure of sitting down with him to uncover his extraordinary path, starting from his role as GC at a high-risk tech start-up to leading a global team spanning the globe at eBay Classifieds.

During our conversation, we dive into David's strategies for scaling legal teams, establishing trust internally and especially with CFOs, driving impactful change within his team and the entire business, and championing the importance of legal ops. But above all, we uncover key insights that legal professionals and leaders need to position themselves and their teams as true co-leaders within the business.

If you're a tech lawyer looking to navigate the thrilling world of technology with confidence, this episode is a must-listen.

Topics:

Introduction – 00:00

Working in tech start-ups from the early days – 1:35

Being the first legal hire at QVC – 4:43

Surviving the tech market crash & navigating lay-offs – 10:16

Playing in global legal markets & building an international team – 14:35

Scaling the legal function like a business team – 21:24

Building trust with CFOs & earning resources for legal – 25:51

Optimizing processes & bringing in legal ops – 28:16

Driving change within your team & the business – 32:19

Using data to communicate & build trust internally – 39:14

The future of legal & legal ops – 43:53


Connect with us:

David Lancelot - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidlancelot/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com/ to learn more.

08 Feb 2024Building, leading, and scaling legal teams | Bonus Episode00:37:48

How do you build and scale a high-performing legal team?
Beyond legal prowess, GCs must master leadership, finding and retaining the right talent, allocating resources and advocating for budget, and more. Join us as we dive into intriguing stories and advice shared by top leaders in the in-house legal industry.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-24

Topics
Introduction: 00:00
David Lancelot on transforming processes to empower lawyers as strategic leaders: 01:46
Gary Spiegel on hiring adaptable players and fostering a growth-oriented culture: 08:17
Brian Chase on allocating resources strategically and nurturing talent: 13:41
Akshay Verma on how well-being and values contribute to professional success: 20:03
Adam Glick on strategic hiring for expertise and problem-solving skills: 22:17
Celaena Powder on team success through coaching, brand building, and open culture: 30:38
Lydia Chuek on demonstrating trust in employees and retaining great legal talent: 34:00
Seth Weissman on developing trust and leadership synergy within teams: 36:56

Subscribe to be the first to know when we release new episodes.

Connect with us:
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

Featured guests:
David Lancelot - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidlancelot/
Gary Spiegel - ​​https://www.linkedin.com/in/gspieg/
Brian Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-r-chase/
Akshay Verma - https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshay-verma-esq/
Adam Glick - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adglick/
Celaena Powder - https://www.linkedin.com/in/celaenapowder/
Lydia Cheuk - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lydiacheuk/
Seth Weissman -  https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethweissman/

22 Nov 2023Privacy, Ad Tech, and AI: Julia Shullman, GC and Chief Privacy Officer, Telly00:43:08

New technologies are advancing faster than ever. How can we rely on our experience to solve unforeseen privacy issues as our personal data makes its way to places we never imagined it could end up?

Julia Shullman, Telly’s GC and Chief Privacy Officer, has spent nearly two decades advocating for privacy in the complex ecosystem of advertising technology. She has learned that one of the most important things a Chief Privacy Officer can do is acknowledge what they don’t know and rely on the expertise of other teams to build smart products that protect user data.

Join Julia as she reveals her thoughts on where these essential consumer safeguards are headed as we enter into an era of AI and business-first thinking.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-16

Topics:

Introduction: 0:18

Blending hardware, software, and privacy at Telly: 1:00

Finding your way from M&A to privacy law: 4:16

Transitioning into ad tech at AppNexus: 6:37

Identifying the necessary attitude to be successful in privacy: 10:42

Overseeing the transformation from AppNexus to Xandr at AT&T: 13:10

Taking on a GC role at TripleLift: 15:45

Building trust with executive team and partners at Vista Equity Partners: 22:07

Stepping away to found a privacy and policy consulting firm: 25:57

Advice to lawyers searching for their next GC role: 32:12

Considering the future of the chief privacy officer role: 33:24

Speculating on the future of privacy and AI: 36:17

Book recommendations: 41:34

Connect with us:

Julia Shullman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-shullman/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

21 Mar 2025Ep 90: From Engineer to Top Lawyer at Adobe and Microsoft with Dana Rao00:58:03

How do you make the transition from IP lawyer to general counsel in a typical path? Help Adobe navigate a transition to the cloud, and then the AI era? And make time for your family through all the ups and downs?

Join Dana Rao, former general counsel at Adobe and IP and Licensing expert at Microsoft, as he discusses how he capitalized on his electrical engineering background to skyrocket himself from a patent attorney to the forefront of some of the most consequential technology decisions of the last two decades—including topics like copyright, AI, litigation, and more.

Listen as Dana explains how he became invaluable to Janet Reno’s justice department, how to make ethical business decisions, influencing legislation to combat patent trolls, and more more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-91

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
Relaxing and writing after retirement: 2:23
Transitioning from electrical engineer to DC lawyer: 10:51
Doing the right thing for your company and the world: 21:48
Leaving politics to become tech counsel: 27:21
Combating patent trolls: 36:03
From Microsoft to Adobe general counsel: 41:42
Rapid-fire questions: 51:48

Connect with us:
Dana Rao - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dana-rao/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

15 Apr 2025Ep 94: Why Legal Teams Break and How to Fix Them with Manu Kanwar, CEO LexSolutions00:59:19

How important is the culture of an organization to its success? How can legal leaders cultivate high-performing cultures for their teams and their companies? And why is this something that a lot of legal teams struggle with?

Join Manu Kanwar, Founder and CEO of LexSolutions, as he shares how he improves his clients’ legal teams and why he focuses on strategy, culture, and relationships as the cornerstones of legal innovation.

Listen as Manu discusses strategies for changing work cultures, fixing toxic situations, and maintaining a healthy self-image, why he left Yahoo! after ten years to start his own legal consulting firm, the problem with “doing more with less,” and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-94

Topics
Introduction 0:00
Founding LexSolutions after ten years at Yahoo!: 2:07
Approaches to legal innovation: 5:07
Shifting cultures: 7:11
The rewards and challenges of consulting: 9:44
What’s wrong with “do more with less?”: 12:14
Why corporate culture is so hard to get right: 19:25
Who is responsible for changing culture? 26:22
Reinforcing psychological safety: 31:06
Fixing toxic cultures: 32:38
Advice to lawyers in toxic situations: 34:16
Why lawyers struggle with self-image: 41:48
Considering authenticity: 45:58
How to connect with Manu: 52:44
Rapid-fire questions: 53:07

Connect with us:
Manu Kanwar - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkanwar/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

14 Feb 2025Ep 83: The 2025 Legal Ops Playbook with Brightflag's Kevin Cohn & Priori's Matt Wheatley01:16:26

What does 2025 hold for legal tech and the legal ops profession? Will legal ops ever become a standard part of every in-house legal team?

Join us in this very special episode as Tyler invites Kevin Cohn, Chief Customer Officer at Brightflag, and Matt Wheatley, VP of Client Strategy at Priori, for a very special, no-holds-barred discussion about  legal operations in an ever-changing industry.

Listen as Matt and Kevin share their thoughts on legal ops conferences, gender and wage disparities, whether legal ops is more of a legal role or an operational role, 2025’s uncomfortably tight labor market, AI disrupting the legal ops field, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-83

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Working with customer advisory boards: 3:11
Are there too many legal ops conferences?: 12:34
Connecting GCs and legal ops professionals: 20:10
Analyzing survey data: 34:52
Do you need a JD?: 40:28
Thoughts on hiring: 46:57
AI in the legal landscape: 53:04
Market consolidation: 57:19
Rapid-fire questions 1:04:44

Connect with us:
Kevin Cohn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinacohn/
Matt Wheatley - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-wheatley-288146a2/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

13 May 2024Ep 38: Product Counseling at Nest, Apple, and a Climate Change Startup: Vineet Shahani, GC, Mill00:45:03

How do you step into and thrive in the role of product counselor? How does the work of a product counselor change from organization to organization? And how can you recalibrate your legal career to focus on environmental issues and climate change?  
Vineet Shahani, General Counsel, Policy and Corporate Development at Mill, gained his product knowledge working on the iPhone at Apple and guiding the groundbreaking internet-of-things product Nest through acquisition and integration at Google. Now he applies those learnings to his legal leadership at Mill, a mission-based environmental product that combats a major climate issue.  

Hear Vineet explain the challenges and rewards of jumping from a big organizations to an adaptable startup, lending your legal skills to a political campaign, breaking into environmental work, and more.  

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-38  

Annual Compensation Report: https://salary-report.spotdraft.com/

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Explaining Mill and its environmentalist mission-oriented concept: 2:22
Considering work in an ESG (environmental social governance)-related company: 8:01
Advice for lawyers who want to work on climate issues: 10:18
Beginning your path to a full-time counsel role as an outside advisor: 14:41
Unpacking the phrase “hitting a single:” 18:16
Defining the responsibilities of a product counselor: 22:25
Lessons about product counseling from Apple: 25:39
Transitioning from Apple to Nest: 27:36
Leading legal at Nest through an acquisition by Google: 31:37
Assisting on a political campaign: 37:42
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 41:28   

Connect with us: Vineet Shahani - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vineetshahani  Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

22 Feb 2024Data, Privacy, and Podcasting: Andy Dale, GC & CPO, OpenAP00:47:17

In an always-changing ad tech industry, how have privacy and data protection emerged as two of the largest challenges that organizations need to face? Whether it’s streaming platforms, engineering AI models, or aligning key industry stakeholders, these topics are evolving faster than the world can keep up with.

OpenAP GC & Chief Privacy Officer Andy Dale has been leading conversations about privacy and data protection for more than a decade. He shares stories and advice from his time as the only privacy counsel at Mastercard, an organizer of some of the first privacy and data-focused industry groups, overseeing privacy at standards-making body OpenAP, and co-hosting his popular and influential podcast for more than 80 episodes, Data Protection Breakfast Club.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-25


Topics:

Introduction: 0:00

Predicting the importance of data protection and recalibrating your career: 3:24

Connecting laws and data in the privacy sphere: 6:52

Leading privacy diligence during SessionM sale to Mastercard: 11:25

Identifying your interests to determine your next professional move: 15:26

Working across competitive lines at OpenAP: 19:35

Predicting the data and privacy ecosystem ahead: 24:36

Viewing AI through privacy and data protection: 27:50

Evolving the Chief Privacy Officer role: 30:19

Advice to junior lawyer breaking into privacy: 33:48

Co-hosting a podcast about privacy and data protection with over 88 episodes published: 38:22

Privacy-related book recommendations: 44:06

Advice to younger lawyers: 45:16


Listen to an episode of Andy’s Data Protection Breakfast Club podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trevor-hughes-ceo-at-iapp/id1559290322?i=1000514250595


Connect with us:

Andy Dale - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-dale-7705b83/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

29 Nov 2023Big Risks and Big Rewards: René Paula, GC & SVP of Legal & Business Affairs, Vaxxinity00:44:07

What does it take for a lawyer to expand their remit and become an operator, a business strategist, or even a founder? Beyond speaking up, what do you need to take on in order to advance from the traditional legal role of in-house counsel?

René Paula, Vaxxinity’s GC and Senior Vice President of Legal and Business Affairs, knows a lawyer needs to be able to speak multiple languages. Not just spoken languages, but the languages of math, finance, and accounting. It helped fuel his marathon career, including financial transactions at HSBC, counsel at Amazon’s Audible, new ventures at Anheuser Busch, closing a sale to Accenture, and taking Vaxxinity public.

Join René as he discusses the challenges and triumphs he’s faced and emphasizes the importance of maintaining an intimate connection to your financial numbers.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-17

Topics:

Introduction: 00:15

Recounting the experiences that shaped you as a leader: 2:14

Entering the world of financial services at HSBC: 4:18

Moving into tech at Amazon’s Audible: 6:13

Transitioning from in-house lawyer to founder at Sonar: 11:01

Spearheading Zx Ventures at Anheuser Busch: 16:39

Expanding beyond legal and chasing big enterprise at Bionic: 19:49

Selling your professional services business to Accenture: 22:43

Returning to legal and operations at Vaxxinity: 25:29

Positioning yourself as an operator from a General Counsel role: 32:24

Mistakes you’ve made and seen others make: 38:10

Book recommendations: 41:39

Connect with us:

René Paula: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rpaula/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

17 Apr 2023The Limits, and Limitlessness, of the Legal Function00:56:01

A typical legal department has some clearly defined responsibilities: commercial contracts, regulatory compliance, employment law, and perhaps government affairs. Yet, legal touches nearly all the other functions in a business and has a unique vantage point. What happens when legal is asked — or chooses — to take on more?

Join Apollo.io Chief Legal Officer Megan Niedermeyer and Senior Legal Operations Manager Brenda Yun Perez for a practical conversation about the limits, and potential limitlessness, of what the legal can take on. We’ll talk through real-world examples like establishing a Deal Desk, owning HR, and other operational processes they’ve chosen to take on as they’ve pursued personal and team growth. 

And we’ll discuss how to decide if legal should give something its led back to another team in the business.

17 Oct 2024Ep 61: How to lead Legal without a JD with Zoe McMahon, HP, Head of Legal Ops00:35:54

What skill set should the Chief of Staff to a Chief Legal Officer of a major international corporation need? How do you build trust with a Chief Operating Officer? How do you cultivate the right culture with a large legal and compliance team?

Join Zoe McMahon, Chief of Staff, VP of Legal Strategy and Operations at HP, as she shares stories and lessons from her thirty-year career at the world’s second largest computer manufacturer. Starting her career in environmental responsibility, Zoe has transferred her skills to a diverse roster of teams, including HP’s global human rights office, privacy, and legal operations.

Listen as Zoe discusses how she drives change from within, why she loves working on the forefront of developing legal and business fields, her fascination with long-term change, why she values strong relationships, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-61

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Tyler asks about starting a career in environmental issues: 2:02
How do you advocate for the environment from within a company?: 4:04
How do you resource responsibly?: 5:02
Why Zoe moved into privacy: 8:03
Can you build credibility without a JD?: 9:25
Should you change career trajectories? 12:55
What does the Chief of Staff to HP’s Chief Legal Officer do?: 19:36
How do you build strong relationships at work?: 23:57
What part of HP’s culture is Zoe proudest of?: 26:41
Fun questions: 30:30
Book recommendations: 34:02
What Zoe wish she know when she was getting started: 40:04

Connect with us:
Zoe McMahon - https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoe-mcmahon-44074814/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

07 Nov 2024Ep 65: Why GCs Need to Understand Geopolitics with Sean West00:49:49

Do general counsels need to care about geopolitics? Is now the right time to start a legal tech company? And should you consider growing your team in a place other than Silicon Valley, like Rwanda?

Join Sean West, Co-Founder at Hence Technologies and writer at Geolegal.substack.com, as he explains how he became a geopolitical forecaster for corporations and hedge funds at Eurasia Group, then chose to co-found a tech company that brings geopolitical insights to general counsels and executives at a time of rising international volatility.

Listen as Sean explains why CEOs are becoming chief geopolitical officers, why government affairs teams are increasingly falling under the purview of the general counsel, how he develops his predictions in a constantly changing world, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-65

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Tyler asks about the Eurasia Group: 3:51
Tyler asks how Sean learned to trust his gut: 8:18
Tyler asks why general counsels should care about geopolitics: 10:49
Tyler asks how general counsels can get better at handling political risks: 15:59
Tyler asks whether CEOs have to be politicians: 22:10
Tyler asks about building Hence Technologies in Rwanda: 31:46
Tyler asks about starting your own business: 35:03
Tyler asks about the future of Hence Technologies: 41:41
Tyler asks rapid-fire questions: 43:23
Book recommendations: 45:19
Tyler asks what Sean wishes he’d known as a young researcher: 47:25

Connect with us:
Sean West - https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanpwest1/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

13 Mar 2025Ep 89: From Hackathon to Legal Game-Changer with Hannah Konitshek, Founder, Legal.io00:43:08

How do you build a legal marketplace with more than 75,000 community members? Find the right investors to join you on the journey? And help the business navigate the inevitable pivots that will come along with its growth?

Join Hannah Konitshek, COO and Founder of Legal.io, Business Operations and Strategy, as she dives deep into the business of legal tech, and how a relationship built during a hackathon transformed into the premiere marketplace for in-house legal talent.

Listen as Hannah explains how attending law school in San Francisco guided her legal career, founding and growing a start-up with a legal background, how to balance your convictions with investors, and learning that the biggest risk is not taking a big enough swing.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-89

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
Going into legal tech directly from law school: 2:10
Do law schools prepare students for careers outside big law?: 6:25
Getting started with Legal.io: 9:20
Defining yourself as a “second-term founder”: 11:31
Hannah on conviction and experimentation: 14:50
Approaching fundraising: 19:06
Advice to business leaders on pivots: 23:21
How Legal.io works with AI: 28:45
Upcoming trends in the legal hiring market: 30:47
The future of Legal.io: 36:04
Rapid-fire questions: 37:29

Connect with us:
Hannah Konitshek - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-konitshek/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

06 Mar 2025Ep 87: Building a Culture of Integrity with Rob Chestnut, former Airbnb Chief Ethics Officer00:51:43

What role does integrity need to play in your company's culture? How can legal teams and corporate leaders foster it? And where do you get started if you want to write a book on it?

Join Rob Chesnut, author of Intentional Integrity: How Smart Companies Can Lead an Ethical Revolution, as he discusses his path from prosecutor at the Department of Justice to tech industry legal leader at eBay, Chegg, and Airbnb, and how integrity and ethics became the cornerstone of both his career and his personal philosophy.

Listen as Rob discusses scaling global legal teams for some of the biggest disruptors in the world, embedding integrity into your company’s corporate culture, transitioning from general counsel to author and thought leader, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-87

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
Transitioning from prosecutor to tech counsel: 2:12
Joining eBay in the early years: 4:13
Building eBay’s trust and safety functions: 5:01
Making the leap to general counsel: 7:21
Reflecting on mentorship: 9:13
Knowing when to move on to new opportunities: 13:13
Leading legal at Airbnb: 15:50
Signature interview questions: 20:56
Developing the “Chief Ethics Officer” role: 23:04
Writing Intentional Integrity: 32:10
How a company can start their integrity program: 34:31
The changing integrity landscape: 41:13
How to contact Rob: 42:50
Rapid-fire questions: 44:07

Connect with us:
Rob Chesnut - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robchesnut/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

22 Aug 2024Ep 52: How Vanessa Wu, GC @Rippling tackled Silicon Valley Bank's collapse00:49:12

How do you raise nine figures in financing in twelve hours as the first Twitter-fueled bank run is happening around you and you feel the pressure of hundreds and thousands of employees depending on your ability to finish the deal so their paychecks clear?

Join Vanessa Wu, GC at Rippling, as she relives the moment her company overcame the disastrous collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and pulled through some lightning-fast deals to protect the income of the clients whose paychecks depend on them. Her department’s hard work turned a catastrophe into a boon to their company’s reputation, both with product users and investors.

Listen as Vanessa offers a masterclass in getting financing and deals over the finish line in record time, with tips on moving through the diligence process, keeping fees low, and why it's essential for lawyers to close as quickly as possible.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-52

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Becoming a top dealmaker at LiveRamp: 1:33
Moving quickly to close deals: 7:06
Offering operational solutions to small and medium businesses at Rippling: 10:08
Surviving the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank: 23:14
Collaborating with finance as a legal team: 36:21
Tips for a fast and low-fee financing deal-making process: 40:54
Favorite parts of day-to-day work: 41:54
Book recommendations: 44:22
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 45:28

Connect with us:
Vanessa Wu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessa-wu-7363359/  
Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.   

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

17 Apr 2025Ep 95: How Adidas Is Scaling Legal Ops with Alex Herrity, Director, Global Legal Solutions00:52:35

Where is the legal innovation space headed? Is this an area where European businesses are actually investing more deeply than their American counterparts? And how can you transition your team to focus more on innovation and a little less on the law?

Join Alex Herrity, Director of Global Legal Solutions at Adidas, as he offers expert takes on the future of legal tech and legal ops, including adopting new technology like AI, leaning into change management, scaling innovations globally, and more.

Listen as Alex discusses his transition from lawyer to “legal tech guy,” the growing acceptance of ops roles in inhouse legal departments, legal innovation’s big moment, hosting the Law://WhatsNext podcast, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-95

Topics
Introduction: 0:00
A big moment for legal innovation: 2:33
Characterizing legal innovation: 5:28
From lawyer to legal ops director: 7:50
Adopting technology vs. change management: 9:12
Avoiding mistakes in legal tech: 15:41
Leading with AI: 18:52
Deciding to be a lawyer: 21:09
Becoming a “legal tech guy”: 26:18
Directing global legal ops for Adidas: 27:40
Managing teams in multiple countries: 30:54
The future of legal ops at Adidas: 34:21
Advice to future legal ops professionals: 36:50
Hosting the Law://WhatsNext podcast: 42:24
Rapid-fire questions: 46:02

Connect with us:
Alex Herrity - https://www.linkedin.com/in/legalopshezzle/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

19 Nov 2024Ep 67: The Future of Crypto Regulation with Heath Tarbert, Circle CLO and Former CFTC Chair00:58:23

What is the transition like from government service to a C-suite leadership role at a cutting edge tech company? How are regulators thinking about crypto and other financial innovations? And is public service something that's still inspiring or something that we ought to aspire to?

Join Heath Tarbert, Chief Legal Officer and Head of Corporate Affairs at Circle, as he draws on his extensive and prodigious career in public service–serving as Chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commision, associate White House counsel, Supreme Court clerk, special counsel to the Senate Banking Committee, and more–to break down the legal side and wide-ranging impacts of financial markets around the globe.

Listen as Heath discusses the intersection between law, finance, and public policy, the future of cryptocurrency, the value of humility, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-67

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Building a career around banking and financial markets: 8:53
Being picked to lead the Commodity Futures Trading Commission: 16:50
Advice to young people considering careers in politics and public service: 22:13
Breaking down CFTC regulation of cryptocurrencies: 30:17
Why the CFTC chose to engage with cryptocurrencies: 37:26
Why Heath joined Circle as Chief Legal Officer: 41:40
Should lawyers move beyond legal into business operator roles?: 47:15
Rapid-fire questions: 49:16
Book recommendations: 53:31
What Heath wishes he’d known as a young lawyer: 55:21

Connect with us:
Heath Tarbert - https://www.linkedin.com/in/heath-tarbert-b2140a15/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

30 Dec 2024Ep 74: Advice to Young Lawyers | Bonus Episode00:15:20

What’s the best advice you can offer to young lawyers who are just starting their careers? What do you wish you’d known then that you know now?

These are the questions we ask each of our guests at the end of every episode of The Abstract. Listen to some of our favorite answers from the legal leaders and C-suite executives who visited the podcast in 2024 and hear tips about trusting your gut, building strong relationships, taking surprising career paths, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-74

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Adam Greenberg, former General Counsel at Warby Parker and Ro, on being a lawyer who doesn’t litigate: 0:33
Christine Uri, founder of ESG for In-House Counsel, on the value of building relationships: 1:24
Jasmine Singh, General Counsel at Ironclad, on trusting your gut: 2:54
Matt Campobasso, General Counsel at Enfusion, on exploring self-doubt: 4:15
Sarah Feingold, playwright and former counsel at Etsy and Vroom, on not doing everything yourself: 6:33
Chelsea Grayson, Managing Partner at Pivot >, on centering business solutions: 8:26
Ben Klein, CEO at Aero, on not putting pressure on yourself: 9:59
Joe Green, Chief Innovation Officer at Gunderson Dettmer, on experimenting early in your career: 11:23
Kristin Sverchek, President of Lyft, on imposter syndrome: 13:46


Connect with us:
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

19 Apr 2024Ep 34: From Prosecuting to Leading In-house at a Tech Startup: S. Michael Lee, GC & COO at Engaging.ai00:31:06

How do you approach, accept, and move on from career transitions, both planned and unexpected? What does it take to transition from decades in public service to roles leading legal at tech startups and law firms? And how can you leverage your network to bounce back after an unexpected layoff?

S. Michael Lee, General Counsel and COO at Engaging.ai, has conquered many of these tense moments. Starting his career as the first Korean-American prosecutor in the Santa Clara County DA’s Office, he brought lessons learned from his experience as a trial attorney to his second chapter as an in-house counsel and—eventually—legal and business leader.

Hear Michael as he discusses why your network is essential to finding your next role, why you shouldn’t limit yourself or your job prospects, and the importance of honoring your roots in your professional life,

Annual Compensation Report: https://salary-report.spotdraft.com/

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-34 

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Honouring your connection to the Korean American community: 2:40
Finding inspiration in your community to work in public service as a prosecutor: 5:36
Applying lessons learned as a prosecutor to the private sector: 11:36
Finding an in-house role after building your career in public service: 12:57
Advice to lawyers in government service trying to move into the private sector: 14:37
Networking to advance your career: 16:57
Dealing with layoffs at Blind: 20:40
Taking on a new GC and COO role at Engaging.ai: 25:04
Advice to lawyers looking for new positions: 26:52
Book recommendation: 28:19
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 29:02

Connect with us:
S. Michael Lee - https://www.linkedin.com/in/s-michael-lee-27ab86/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

31 Jul 2024Ep 49: Will AI change Legal Work Forever?: Joe Green, Chief Innovation Officer, Gunderson Dettmer00:48:49

How is AI going to change the practice of law? How is one of the most forward looking law firms adapting? And will the billable hour go away?  

Joe Green, Chief Innovation Officer at Gunderson Dettmer and Cofounder & Director of the Open Cap Table Coalition, steered a law career starting at major Wall Street firm Simpson Thacher towards the worlds of tech and product management, with stop-offs in academia and legal publishing along the way. Ultimately, he found that his legal mindset guided him in his technical work, and his understanding of business and innovation strengthened his legal abilities.  

Listen as Joe discusses strategies to shift your careers towards your passion through pro bono work, stepping into board advisory roles, parsing the influx of investment into legal tech, and whether the billable hour will really go away in our lifetime.

 Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-49   

Topics: Introduction: 0:00
Moving into a tech advisor role at Gunderson Dettmer after a career start at Simpson Thacher: 2:11
Moving away from the standard legal path at Thompson Reuters: 5:38
Taking on side hustles that pull you towards tech and product: 8:43
Founding the Open Cap Table Coalition: 11:59
Rejoining Gunderson Dettmer and moving into the CIO role: 18:04
Challenging the billable hour model: 20:56
Leading and launching innovative projects: 30:06
Shifting from a legal to a technical mindset: 33:44
Discussing the influx of investment into legal tech: 37:20
Predicting the future of legal services: 41:06
Book Recommendations: 43:41
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 45:40

Connect with us:
Joe Green - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joegreen1/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft   

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

06 Feb 2025Ep 82: How Carta Built a Legal Team from Scratch & Scaled 10X with April Lindauer, GC00:31:43

How do you build a fintech juggernaut and redefine how employees think about ownership in businesses, navigate regulatory roadblocks along the way, and build a global team to make it happen?

Join April Lindauer, General Counsel at Carta, as she discusses her start-up’s tremendous journey from 200 employees to more than 2000, as the software platform that allows users to manage equity, build businesses, and invest in the companies of tomorrow as they expand into an ever-growing list of international markets.

Listen as April offers tips for working with regulators, navigating several financing rounds, building out legal operations, working with great outside partners, and hiring the perfect team, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-82

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Joining Carta and overseeing tremendous growth: 1:58
Cultivating a career in financial services: 4:10
Carta’s growth from 200 employees to 2000: 6:26
Transitioning from deputy general counsel to general counsel: 8:23
Hiring for a global legal team: 12:30
Navigating the GC role during the COVID-19 pandemic: 14:34
Working with the executive team to make tough decisions: 16:57
Working with financial regulators: 18:22
Leading legal through multiple financing rounds: 22:21
Leveraging Carta’s wealth of data: 24:21
Rapid-fire questions: 27:48
Book recommendations: 29:00
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 30:36

Connect with us:
April Lindauer - https://www.linkedin.com/in/april-lindauer-2174104/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

09 Aug 2023Navigating IPOs and Acquisitions: GC Gary Spiegel Takes Us Behind the Scenes01:02:40

Enabling a successful IPO is an important milestone in a GC’s career. For Gary Spiegel, it was a passion he’d pursued ever since he transitioned from the regulatory world into Silicon Valley.

Join us as Gary takes us behind the scenes into his experience:

-navigating two acquisitions in two years, from MySQL to Sun Microsystems to Oracle,

-fulfilling his dream of becoming an IPO GC at Anaplan,

-helping them again go private in a blockbuster acquisition by Thoma Bravo.

Along the way, we’ll also discuss what goes into building large legal teams and setting them up for success, finding growth opportunities within legal as well as other functional areas, and more.

This is an episode you don’t want to miss.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-8


Topics:

Introduction: 00:00

Gary’s start with regulatory law and shift to the business side: 01:32

The journey from MySQL to Sun Microsystems to Oracle through multiple acquisitions: 06:58

Supporting a company as its first GC and taking over the legal function from the CFO: 15:54

The right time to join a company as the first legal hire or GC: 22:22

Behind the scenes to Anaplan's successful IPO: 27:18

Thoma Bravo's acquisition of Anaplan and Legal’s role in ensuring success: 33:54

Building a team of 20+ people and setting them up for success: 37:16

Communicating the value of legal within the business: 43:00

Leveraging legal expertise as a springboard into other roles: 49:18

Strategies for managing stakeholder relationships and balancing legal support: 52:00

The future of in-house legal roles: 56:56


Connect with us:

Gary Spiegel - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gspieg/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

17 Mar 2023Dive into The Abstract00:00:50

Next month, we’ll be launching our new podcast: “The Abstract.”

Join Tyler Finn, Head of Community and Growth at SpotDraft, as he interviews leading general counsels, chief legal officers, and legal executives. Our conversations will cover how they’ve nurtured their careers, grown in their roles, become true operators within their businesses, and even taken on other C-suite positions.

Tyler spent half a decade building the legal community as an Advisor to TechGC, which grew in membership by nearly 10x during his tenure. He also has deep expertise leading privacy and public policy as a member of in-house legal teams at a variety of high-growth start-ups like Foursquare.

We’re so excited to introduce you to some of the leading in-house legal minds of today and tomorrow. Join us as we work to go beyond the practical and make sense of the “The Abstract.”

08 Aug 2024Ep 50: How beating cancer twice helped him become the "Zen" GC: Dan Haley, GC, Guild00:55:26

How do you help CEOs transition out of the business? How do you project calm in a time of crisis? Can you draw on the experience of beating cancer twice as you navigate the challenges of executive leadership?  

Dan Haley, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary at Guild, has led a career spanning the world of local Massachusetts politics, leading legal at companies like Sprinklr, and Athenahealth, enduring cancer treatments while holding high-stress leadership positions, and becoming known as legal’s most “zen” GC.  

Listen as Dan shares how he developed his calming professional philosophy, why he wears t-shirts to work, and how he instills and nurtures a sense of confidence in his staff during trying times.  

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-50   

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Balancing cancer treatment with a high-stress job: 9:21
Building a reputation as a zen lawyer: 12:23
Maintaining a positive attitude and setting a tone as a GC role: 18:05
Managing CEO transitions in a time of crisis: 23:16
Enduring a hostile takeover from Elliott Management at Athenahealth: 27:31
Facilitating the CEO transition at Athenahealth: 32:52
Facilitating the CEO transition at Guild: 37:22
Book recommendations: 46:14
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 50:13  

Connect with us:  
Dan Haley - https://www.linkedin.com/in/danhaley1972/  
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft  

SpotDraft is a leading Contract Lifecycle Management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

17 Sep 2024Ep 56: Poker helped me negotiate contracts, says Andrew Woods, GC @PubMatic01:02:47

Can playing cards teach you to be a better lawyer? How do you make it in Silicon Valley without the traditional big law firm experience? And how do you make the jump to public company general counsel?

Join Andrew Woods, General Counsel at PubMatic, as he discusses the unique path he forged from professional poker player to legal star. From founding a think tank at Harvard focused on poker and law to breaking into tech and privacy as Director of Legal and Associate Counsel at Twitter, Andrew relies on his belief in the value of autonomy, mastery, and significance to guide him towards work that makes him happiest.

Listen as Andrew discusses his love for game theory, landing a fulfilling job leading legal at a tech company, hiring lawyers based on their ambitions instead of their experience, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-56

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Starting your career as a professional poker player: 1:33
Comparing poker skills with skills required to succeed as general counsel: 6:10
Taking an unorthodox path after law school: 13:02
Transitioning to in-house roles in tech: 17:12
Moving away from skill questions in the hiring process: 22:52
Developing mastery over fields like privacy and ad tech: 29:05
Breaking into privacy: 33:18
Considering the future of AI governance from a privacy perspective: 36:37
Making the jump to Twitter and PubMatic: 39:21
Book recommendations: 54:23
What you wish you’d known as a young lawyer: 57:23
Connect with us:
Andrew Woods - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmichaelwoods/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

23 Jan 2025Ep 79: Understanding the Future of Patent Law with Patsnap's Matt Veale00:28:28

How is the rise of AI going to affect the intellectual property field and patents? What are some common mistakes that GCs make when setting up a patent strategy? Or tips that our guest has learned from years as a patent examiner?

Join Matt Veale, European Patent Attorney and UPC at PatSnap, as he leads us into this podcast’s first-ever deep dive into all things patents and IP, sharing expert advice on the best way to work with examiners to bring your innovations to the world.

Listen as Matt discusses why he thinks IP is the most important thing in the world, the importance of data analytics, bridging the gap between lawyers and R&D, building a strong patent strategy, the future of IP law, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-79

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
What inspired Matt to be a lawyer: 1:48
What does intellectual property law mean?: 3:40
Starting your legal career at the UK Intellectual Property Office: 5:11
Tips for people filing their first patent: 6:42
Interesting patent applications Matt has seen: 8:47
Tips for GCs who inherit corporate patents: 9:39
Looking for outside patent counsel: 11:55
Patent analytics at PatSnap: 13:44
The future of IP law: 16:38
AI as a tool for patent lawyers: 20:55
Contacting Matt: 25:23
Rapid-fire questions: 25:37
Book recommendations: 26:46
What Matt wishes he knew as a young lawyer: 27:17

Connect with us:
Matt Veale - https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-veale-ip/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.
Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

10 Nov 2023Navigating Public Scrutiny & Adversity as a GC: Mark Marin's Candid Insights00:36:01

How do you navigate being in the public eye of a high-profile company? What happens when you become embroiled in a public controversy and your company doesn’t have your back?

This is just one of the themes we will be delving into with Mark Marin, Puffco’s General Counsel, on this episode of The Abstract.

In this incredibly candid conversation, Mark will take us through:

— the challenges he faced during his time at Barstool Sports, a notorious media company;

— the challenges that led him to Barstool Sports, namely a bankruptcy and two different acquisitions at his previous companies;

— and his current role at Puffco, a start-up within the cannabis industry.

Learn what it takes to truly overcome adversity as a GC. This is one episode you don’t want to miss.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-15


Topics:

Introduction: 0:25

Jumping into the fast-paced start-up world at Quirky: 2:31

Discovering a silver lining during bankruptcy: 6:40

Navigating being acquired twice in the span of a short time: 10:17

Learning from trying to merge cultures during company acquisitions: 14:58

Grappling with adversity as Barstool Sports’ first General Counsel: 18:50

Finding support during career challenges: 27:20

Venturing a new path in the cannabis industry: 30:40

Parting advice for younger attorneys: 33:17


Resources mentioned in the episode:

Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek: https://simonsinek.com/books/leaders-eat-last/


Connect with us:

Mark Marin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-marin/

Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

14 Nov 2024Ep 66: Tennis & Media Law with Peter Steckelman, SVP, Tennis Channel00:51:03

What lessons from tennis can you apply to your day-to-day life? How do you build a career as a dealmaker working with high-profile talent? How has the entertainment industry, and what it needs from its lawyers, changed over the years?

Join Peter Steckelman, Senior Vice President of Business and Legal Affairs at the Tennis Channel, as he shares stories from his uniquely wide-ranging career in entertainment law, including working in-house work at Disney, Fox Entertainment, Warner Brothers, Mattel, and Konami.

Listen as Peter serves up stories about his lifelong love for tennis, negotiating with celebrity athletes, and the joys of working in film, television, video games, streaming, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-66

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Starting his career in-house at Disney: 9:59
How to work with creative people: 20:45
What role does creativity play in the legal field?: 24:31
Working as a studio executive at video game developer Konami: 28:44
Putting together talent agreements with celebrity athletes: 30:51
Leading legal at the Tennis Channel: 39:45
What playing tennis has taught Peter about being a lawyer: 44:49
Rapid-fire questions: 47:30
Book recommendations: 49:10
What Peter wishes he’d known as a young lawyer: 49:50

Connect with us:
Peter Steckelman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-steckelman-entertainment-sports-professional/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

04 Apr 2024Ep 30: Leading Legal in Complex Regulatory Environments: Hardeep Singh, GC, CRED00:56:14

How is tech changing India’s financial services industry? How do you deal with complex regulations that change as rapidly as tech products do? And how can a multinational company expand into India’s culturally, geographically, and linguistically diverse market?

Hardeep Singh, General Counsel at CRED, has faced these challenges head-on. Starting his career in litigation, he moved on to in-house counsel for Uber in Delhi and helped pioneer solutions to improve the city’s public transit. Now he leads the legal team at CRED, a reward-based credit card payment app that integrates with India’s massive mobile payment system.

Hear Hardeep as he shares his experiences structuring M&A deals, navigating nuanced regulations, leading legal for a dynamic design-based product, and finding motivation from solving real world problems.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-30

Topics:

Introduction: 1:17
Launching your legal career: 1:52
Switching to corporate counsel from an appellate practice in Delhi: 5:27
Applying lessons from Uber to your legal leadership at CRED: 8:50
Explaining CRED: 12:45
Encountering a learning curve as a first-time team leader: 16:31
Considering the role of legal in an organization without titles: 22:18
Lessons learned from M&A at CRED: 27:46
Working in India’s legal landscape: 33:37
Driving communication, marketing and PR in legal: 37:15
Understanding UPI, India’s unified payment interface: 39:40
Advice to companies trying to expand into the Indian economy: 45:54
Book recommendations: 50:23
Advice to your younger self: 53:25

Connect with us:
Hardeep Singh - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hardeep-singh-863b1617/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

28 Sep 2023From NASA to HR Tech: Evan Ferl, Chief Strategy Officer & GC, Bambee00:42:53

Where does legal end and strategy begin? Taking on new tasks and new roles can help you expand beyond the traditional GC role. But are enthusiasm and attitude enough to skyrocket you to bold new places in your career?

Join Bambee Chief Strategy Officer & GC Evan Ferl for an exciting discussion about following your passions and using legal to inject positivity into your organization.

We’ll hear tips for advancing your career to match your ambitions, activating your creativity, and find out how Ferl expanded beyond legal in his roles at Hired, Poshmark, Bambee, and his many personal ventures, like Neatworking. We’ll also discuss how making mistakes can be an essential key to success and how to capitalize on your enthusiasm.


Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-11


Topics:

Introduction: 00:00

Finding your passion working in legal: 02:14

Starting his career at NASA with a cold email: 06:23

Exploring work at big and small companies: 11:10

Expanding beyond legal: 14:06

Approaching strategy and corporate development from a legal perspective at Poshmark: 19:05

Finding ways to activate creativity: 23:48

Transitioning into a strategy role at Bambee: 26:12

Identifying the inflection point to begin a new venture: 28:39

Launching the Neatworking newsletter: 32:23

Improving your writing practice: 37:23

Advice for younger lawyers: 40:34


Connect with us:

Tyler Finn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn

Evan Ferl: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanferl/

Evan’s newsletter: https://evanferl.substack.com/

Evan’s children’s story book: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/maxs-big-day-evan-james-ferl/1142525323

SpotDraft Summit 2023: http://surl.li/lufqw

SpotDraft: https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft


SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

29 Oct 2024Ep 63: From Prosecutor to GC at Enfusion with Matt Campobasso00:55:13

How can the general counsel become a true partner to the executive team? How about in the context of a public company? How can the general counsel ensure that that same can-do attitude that they bring to the table pervades the rest of their legal team?

Join Matt Campobasso, General Counsel at Enfusion, as he shares stories and lessons from his unique legal career: starting as a prosecutor outside of Chicago, litigating at a firm for more than a decade and becoming partner, then transitioning to in-house and leading legal at a publicly-traded fintech company.

Listen as Matt discusses how his time in the courtroom shaped his approach to in-house legal, how to build a department of independent, driven lawyers, cultivating a business mindset in your team, and more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-63

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Tyler asks about his career as an Illinois prosecutor: 1:36
Tyler asks what inspired Matt to be a prosecutor: 4:32
Tyler asks about transitioning in-house roles in tech: 16:33
Tyler asks about managing work relationships after you become general counsel: 24:15
Tyler asks about instilling a business mindset in a legal team: 29:56
Tyler on hiring lawyers with an owner’s mindset: 37:32
Tyler asks fun questions: 43:50
Book recommendations: 49:22
What Matt wish he knew as a young lawyer: 52:16

Connect with us:
Matt Campobasso - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mrc1921/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues.

Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

12 Apr 2024Ep 32: From Product Counseling at Apple & Meta to the Crypto World: Nguyen Vu, DGC, OKX00:44:54

How do you realign your legal career in order to break into the tech industry and product counseling? What are the major differences between headline-grabbing big tech companies and ambitious start-ups? And should the goal of every in-house counsel be a GC title?

Nguyen Vu, deputy general counsel at OKX, leveraged his persistence, skills, and showmanship to redefine himself as a tech attorney. Starting off as a lawyer working in telecoms regulation, Nguyen was able to land a major product role at Apple, become the “mini GC” of digital currency at Facebook, and lead international product teams at successful fintech and crypto startups.

Hear Ngyuen as he shares the valuable lessons he’s learned about regulation, consumer protection, motivating your team, steering your career in the direction you want to take it, and more.

Read detailed summary: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-32

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Beginning your career during the Great Recession: 3:21
Moving beyond telecoms law: 6:10
Landing a dream role at Apple: 9:07
Coming into your own as a product attorney: 11:44
Defining the role of a product counselor: 18:45
Joining Facebook’s digital currency project: 20:10
Getting off of career plateaus and joining Bolt: 25:06
Navigating the difficulties of managing a legal team at a start-up: 28:43
Encountering “Big Company Bias”: 31:34
Becoming deputy general counsel at OKX: 36:33
Book recommendations: 40:10
Advice to your younger self: 41:36

Connect with us:
Nguyen Vu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nguyentvu/
Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn
SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft

SpotDraft is a leading CLM platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

18 Dec 2024Ep 72: Lobbying for Better Telehealth Regulations with GC Adam Greenberg00:55:18

What do you need to know about managing government affairs for heavily regulated, high growth brands? Is it perhaps the most interesting part of a GC's job? And will it actually lead you to Washington D.C. or maybe other slightly less glamorous cities?

Join Adam Greenberg, Advisor and Fractional General Counsel at APG Advising, as he shares lessons from years as top in-house counsel at healthcare start-ups Warby Parker and Ro about lobbying state legislatures to make telehealth more accessible to customers across the United States.

Listen as Adam discusses the legal needs of direct-to-consumer businesses, working with lobbyists and legislators at a state level, sharing notes with your closest competitors to change regulations, destigmatizing embarrassing medical topics, and much more.

Read detailed summary:  https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-72

Topics:
Introduction: 0:00
Deciding to become a start-up lawyer: 2:56
Dealing with government affairs issues at Warby Parker: 7:15
Lobbying state legislatures: 10:35
Going state to state with a small budget: 19:16
Becoming the first legal hire at Ro: 26:30
Building out the legal team at Ro: 30:08
Talking with legislators about erectile dysfunction medication: 37:10
Lobbying for direct-to-consumer brands: 42:51
Does the CEO need to be involved in state lobbying?: 45:21
What Adam is up to now: 47:39
Rapid-fire questions: 48:54
Book recommendations: 52:29
What Adam wishes he’d known as a young lawyer: 53:47

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