Running--State of the Sport (Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch)

In Episode 2 of the podcast, "Running: State of the Sport," we chatted with Mark Milde, race director of the Berlin Marathon. The 2023 Berlin race will be held on Sunday, September 24, with Eliud Kipchoge returning to his favorite course. In 2022, Kipchoge established the marathon world record in Berlin when he ran 2:01:09.

Among other things, Milde talked about:

* His family's long history with the Berlin Marathon, which was founded by his father, Horst, in 1974

* Many of the Berlin Marathon's primary attractions, including its famous tour of the city that was once divided into East and West Germany

* The 9000 American runners who are entered in the Berlin Marathon

* Why he believes Eliud Kipchoge is such a great marathon performer

* Plans for the 50th running of the Berlin Marathon in 2024

In a discussion of recent running news, Amby and George discussed: 

* A new running book on the famous 1984 Women's Olympic Marathon. George recalls a surprisingly fast 10-miler he ran with Joan Benoit Samuelson the morning after her dramatic victory.

* The results of the New Haven 20K race, where several BYU graduates, Clayton Young and Connor Mantz, had strong performances. And it's only 5 months until the Olympic Marathon Trials early next Feb. Watch out for the BYU runners, coached by Ed Eyestone, himself a two-time Olympic marathoner.

* Smiling. Yes, smiling! Amby notes that he saw more runners smiling on the starting line at the recent Budapest World Championships vs past Championships. And he explains why this might be a new trend among top athletes.

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Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In the third episode of "Running: State of the Sport," we chat with American marathon legend, Deena Kastor. Kastor took a bronze medal in the 2004 Athens Olympic Marathon, was outright winner of the Chicago and London Marathons, and also the first American female to break 2:20 in the marathon.

And that's just for beginners. In addition, Kastor won 8 National Cross Country Championships, and still holds the American masters marathon record for women (2:27:47), set at the Chicago Marathon when she was 42.

Kastor also wrote the best-selling memoir, Let Your Mind Run.

Before speaking with Kastor, Amby and George discuss the amazing results from the Berlin Marathon, where Tigst Assafa set a world record, 2:11:53--that's 5:02 per mile pace! George believes there's plenty of reason to believe that Assafa has the talent and background to run so fast, while Amby remains a bit skeptical of her big breakthrough. 

Both agreed on one thing, however: Eliud Kipchoge's victory in 2:02:42 marked a strong comeback from his disappointing sixth at Boston last April, and establishes him as the man to beat at the Paris Olympics next summer. Should Kipchoge succeed there, he'll become the first runner to win three successive Olympic Marathons.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Merhawi Keflezighi, younger brother of Meb Keflezighi. "Hawi" is also an important agent-manager to top track and marathon elites. He fills us in on the current financial state of the sport--who’s earning significant money, and who’s not.

He also proposes that every winner at the World Championships should receive a $1 million first-place prize. In an emotional retelling, he relives his brother’s famous win in the 2014 Boston Marathon--the year after the bombings.

Before speaking with Merhawi, George and Amby discuss the amazing results at the Chicago Marathon. George notes that Kelvin Kiptum is only 23, and has only run 3 marathons (all in the last year). At Chicago, Kiptum borke the tape in a world record 2:00:35. In both of his last two marathons, he has run the second half in sub 60 minutes. Also Sifan Hassan has incredible range--from a 1:56 in the 800 meters to 2:13 in the marathon. It's hard to predict which events she will run next summer at the Paris Olympics.

Amby talks about the age-group results at Chicago, including world records (3:34:32) by 75-year-old Jeannie Rice, and a 2:49:43 by 60-year-old Jenny Hitchings. Gene Dykes set an American record in the 75-79 age group (3:17:01), but fell 10+ minutes short of Ed Whitlock's world record 3:04.53.

Frank Shorter (1972) and Joan Benoit Samuelson (1984) are the only two Americans to have won BOTH a U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials and the subsequent Olympic Marathon. Here, just a week before the 2024 Marathon Trials, they talk with George and Amby about their experiences, especially in the pivotal Trials race. 

Samuelson recalls waking up from surgery 17 days pre-Trials, looking at the bandages covering her right leg from toe to hip, and thinking, "Maybe I can bounce back for the 3000 meters in the Track Trials." 

In fact she did much more than that in a Marathon Trials victory that still amazes her. "If somebody asks me about the biggest win of my life, I'll say in was the Olympics in L.A.," she notes. "But the race of my life was the Trials. I can't really explain how I was able to do that."

Shorter recounts how, as an unheralded Yale cross-country runner, he drove from his home in New Mexico to the 1968 Alamosa Olympic Marathon Trials--the first "modern" U.S. Trials to follow a strict Olympics-selection system. He was curious about the marathon distance, and wanted to watch the race. When he arrived, he discovered that anyone could enter (for $3), so he did. 

A borrowed, ill-fitting pair of shoes caused him to drop out after 17 miles. But four years later, Shorter tied with Kenny Moore for the top spot, and in 1976 he finished alone at the front.

Shorter credits much of his marathon success to training like a 5000-meter runner, including many workouts with Steve Prefontaine. He thought little of running 6 x 800 meters in 2:01 with 200-meter recovery jogs. 

Super-shoes? No, the opposite. Shorter says he won his Olympic gold medal in a pair of track shoes with the spike plate replaced by a thin pad of rubber.

"I just wanted whatever would give me the lightest shoes," he says. "We didn't worry about pounding. I would joke that we had four years to recover."

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Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this episode, George and Amby talk with prolific fast marathon runner CJ Albertson--a fan favorite and dark-horse contender to make the U.S. Olympic Marathon Team at the Feb. 3 Trials in Orlando.

Prior to the 2020 U.S. Marathon Trials in Atlanta, Albertson was a little known road racer competing without a shoe contract. That changed after he finished 7th in 2:11:49.

He signed a contract with Brooks, and has been racking up consistently fast marathons ever since. This includes finishes among the top American runners in the last 3 Boston Marathons.

Known for his strength and hard-fast training runs, Albertson holds the world record for 50K on the roads. And last December he won back to back weekend marathons at Cal International (2:11:09) and Baja MEX (2:11:08). This means he has achieved the Paris Olympic "B" qualifying time, and will make the U.S. Olympic Team on Feb. 3 if he finishes in the top 2 or 3 positions among those with Olympic qualifiers.

(It's not yet clear if the U.S. will send 2 or 3 male marathoners to Paris. No one can go to Paris if they haven't run under 2:11:30, not even if they win the Trials.)

Married with two young children, Albertson is also a teacher and coach at Clovis Community College in Fresno, CA. In this podcast, Albertson talks candidly about his earnings from professional running and his chances of making the Olympic Team.

He also discusses how he is training for the possible heat in Orlando by running on a treadmill with 11 infrared lamps pointed at him.

Amby was intrigued by Albertson's training and any future ultra-running ambitions he might have. George gave Albertson big points for saying that his Fairy Godmother wish for 2024 was completion of an track facility at Clovis, preferably with a large scoreboard. (He didn't mention the Olympic Trials.)

You can follow CJ Albertson on Instagram here.

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Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Kevin Hanson, one-half of the dynamic Hanson brothers behind the Hansons Brooks Running Team. 

The Hansons team will have a strong group of entrants in the U.S Olympic Marathon Trials on February 3, including top male runner Zach Panning. Panning, while not as well known as some of his competitors, is considered a definite threat to finish on the podium. 

Past Hansons' runners Brian Sell and Des Linden have been successful in their Marathon Trials efforts. In addition, Hansons' athletes have a sort of "inside track" to preparing for a big race in Orlando, Florida. The brothers and their runners have been using Orlando as a winter training base for several decades. They are well versed in all the weather-related variables.

George and Amby were impressed by the way the Hansons brothers have taken profits from their running stores, and poured that money into a strong developmental program for U.S. runners. They also gave plenty of credit to their longtime partners at Brooks, and expressed complete confidence that Brooks super shoes are as good as anyone else's.

Before talking to Kevin Hanson, George and Amby reviewed the biggest recent running news. That included C. J. Albertson's second 2:11 marathon in a week, Katelyn Tuohy's recent signing of a contract with Adidas, and the running Ritzenhein family.

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Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

Emma Coburn is only 33 years old, but sports a running resume that’s hard to match. She has won 10 National Championships in the 3000-meter steeplechase. It almost seems that USATF should rename the event the “Emma Coburn Steeplechase.”

Coburn has also won an Olympic bronze medal, and World Championships gold. Her husband, Joe Bosshard, is now her coach, and also coach to a small but select elite group training in Boulder under the name Team Boss.

Unfortunately, Coburn sustained a serious injury in an early-2024 competition, and required ankle surgery. That means she’ll miss this year’s Olympic Track Trials and the Olympic Games in Paris. 

Bad luck for sure. But also a good position from which to discuss the inevitable high and lows of global racing, which Emma does in this podcast. She also talks about:

# Her dog Arthur, and how he got that name in honor of the great New Zealand coach, Arthur Lydiard.

# How she was born and raised in a small, high-altitude Colorado town, and spent her youth pursuing various outdoor activities. (Sorta like a young Kenyan.)

# How she ran her first steeplechase only because her father insisted she enter a couple of events to justify their lengthy car drive to the meet

# What she learned from her college coaches at the University of Colorado

# Why she decided to be coached by her husband, the person “who knows the most about me”

# How she’s dealing emotionally (and financially) from the missed Olympic opportunity this year

# Why she plans to be a steeplechase runner forever, rather than switching to another event
You can learn more about Emma Coburn by following her on Instagram.

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this episode, we celebrate the 50th anniversary of Bill Rodgers's first Boston Marathon win in 1975. Bill reflects on his early struggles, the pivotal moments that reignited his passion for running, and the significance of community in the sport.

In particular, he discusses his memorable 1975 Boston Marathon victory, the evolution of marathon running, and the challenges he faced during his Olympic journey. He also shares personal anecdotes about his experiences with runners like Frank Shorter and Alberto Salazar, his current running, and the critical role of friendship among all runners, young and old.

Key Sections Include

Introduction to Bill Rodgers

Bill's Early Life and Running Journey

The Comeback: From Quitting to Winning

The 1975 Boston Marathon Victory

Olympic Disappointment and Resilience

The King of the Roads: Bill's Legacy

Training Regimens and Strategies

Reflections on the 1980 Olympic Boycott

Memories of Alberto Salazar

The Duel in the Sun: A Race to Remember

The Journey of a Running Entrepreneur

The Drive to Keep Running

How to Run the Boston Marathon Course

The State of Running Today

Bill's Fairy Godmother Wishes for the Future

To learn more about Bill Rodgers, visit his website at ⁠https://www.billrodgersrunningcenter.com/⁠

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is a weekly newsletter focused on the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners. It was launched by Amby in 2021, and is now edited by Brady Holmer, exercise physiologist and 2:36 marathon runner.

Mike Scannell coached Grant Fisher to two bronze medals (5000 and 10,000 meters) in the Paris Olympics--a feat no American runner had achieved previously. Which brings up a good question: Who is Mike Scannell?

Turns out he is a forever-friend of Grant Fisher's family, and coached Fisher to 2 Footlocker XC Championships victories back when Fisher was a Michigan high schooler. Then he sat back and watched Fisher run 4 years at Stanford, and 4 years with the Bowerman Track Club.

A year ago, Fisher called Scannell to say he was ready for a change of location and coaching. He moved to Park City, UT, and Scannell wrote up a training plan for the long pre-Paris buildup.

In this Pod, Scannell sketches his personal background in running (2:16 marathon!), and describes how he and Fisher designed their successful Olympic plan. Some major topics:

# Scannell's 4 key workouts for every training week

# How to build speed with a minimal amount of speedwork

# What Scannell thinks of Fisher's marathon potential

# Can Jakob Ingebrigtsen be beaten at 5000 meters?

# The current state of American running

And much more.

On ⁠X.com,⁠ Scannell posts a daily motivational tip. Here's a great recent one: "We always save something for ‘another day.’  That’s in part why I don’t do, ‘last one, fast one.’  The other reason is that I don’t want kids to ‘fail’ in practice, and running all out means you run until your body fails. I like kids to walk away with success on the brain."

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this podcast, George Hirsch and Amby Burfoot talk with Clayton Young, who recently finished second in the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials in Orlando, Florida. Since Young had run a sensational 2:08:00 in last fall's Chicago Marathon, he is now fully qualified for this summer's Olympic Marathon in Paris.

In the Marathon Trials, Young gained a lot of attention for the pair of shades he elected to wear all weekend, and also for his innovative use of a fluids bottle within a metallic bottle that also provided refreshingly-cool caps en route. In the last several miles, he looked better than his training partner Conner Mantz. 

Indeed Young several times swerved close to the cheering crowds to egg them on, and to see if he could find an American flag to carry to the finish. Yet in the final yards, he let Mantz edge ahead of him to break the tape.

In this interview, Young admits that he could have won the race if he wanted, and that he later agonized for a short time over his decision. He wondered if he had made a mistake. In the end, he says, the "joy of the moment" was more important than winning the marathon. 

Before speaking with Young, George and Amby discuss some important recent news stories including: George's trip to the Barcelona Marathon, the great double wins by Parker Valby and Nico Young in the NCAA indoor championships, and Camile Herron's world-record-setting 6-day race in California during which she covered 560 miles.

After the interview, George noted the growing list of successful marathon runners from Brigham Young University. He was struck that "the runners have a deep appreciation for each other, and for everyone else who contributes. They've built something special that combines the best of team, family, and community ... and it's really powerful."

Amby was impressed with Young's self-confessed "runner nerdiness," and tried to convince him to wear a bro-bra in Paris--one filled with energy gels and ice packs.6

To keep up with Clayton  Young, you can follow him on ⁠Instagram.⁠

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

Daniel Romanchuk is one of the world's top wheelchair racers. This fall, he won the New York City Marathon and, a week later, the BAA Boston Half Marathon. He set a course record in the latter event.

In August, Romanchuk entered 5 events in the Paris Paralympics, winning gold in the 5000 meters and bronze in the marathon.

Born with spina bifida--a not-fully-formed spine--Romanchuk spent his early years trying to keep up with two older siblings. He enrolled in an adaptive sports program in his hometown, Baltimore, at age 5, and has been pursuing one sport (or many) ever since.

In this podcast interview, he talks about: 

# his summer and fall of races

# why he did his first marathon at age 14

# how wheelchair athletes train

# why so many of them are located, as he is, at the University of Illinois/Champaign

# how wheelchair racing has evolved during his years in the sport

# ways he hopes to make racing wheelchairs less expensive and more accessible

# and much more

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for "running state of the sport."With your computer, tablet, or smartphone, you can also listen direct to “Running: State of the Sport” at the below internet links.

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com.

Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this podcast, Amby and George talk with Sara Hall, who recently finished fifth in the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials. Sara, who's married to former marathon star Ryan Hall, has perhaps the longest running resume of any U.S. distance star.

She won the first of 4 California state championships in 1997, and the Footlocker XC Champs her senior year in high school. Since then she has starred at Stanford, on the track, and in the marathon, where she has a personal best of 2:20:32. I

In her fifth place finish at the Marathon Trials (2:26:06), Hall set an American masters record for the distance, eclipsing the time Des Linden ran last fall in Chicago.

Sara didn't begin her marathon career until 2015--the same year she and Ryan adopted 4 Ethiopian sisters, and welcomed them to their home in Flagstaff, Arizona. How she managed to combine marathon training and racing with raising four young daughters who didn't speak English ... well, it's another one of those inspirational stories about female marathon runners.

Before speaking with Sara (who was training in Quito, Ecuador!), George and Amby discussed some of the recent biggest news in running. This included results from the Glasgow World Indoor Championships, where Scotsman Josh Kerr and American Elle St. Pierre won exciting 3000-meter titles.

They also reviewed results from the Tokyo Marathon, where Eliud Kipchoge and Sifan Hassan were expected to win, but didn't. That changes the outlook for the Paris Olympic Marathon in August.To keep up with Sara Hall, you can follow her ⁠on Instagram.⁠

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Keira D'Amato, the American record holder at 10 miles and the half-marathon, and the second fastest ever in the marathon with her 2:19:27.

These performances make Keira a top contender in the February 3 Olympic Marathon Trials. Keira has followed an unusual path to her current running. Soon after college, she stopped serious training to get married, have two children, and start a real-estate business. She stayed away from elite running for more than a decade. However, she zoomed back in 2019 with a 2:34 marathon in Berlin, and she's only been getting faster since.  

Before talking to Keira, George and Amby discussed the biggest recent news in running. George was impressed by Parker Valby's win in the NCAA Cross-Country Championships, especially by her low training mileage. He also noted noted that Harvard's Graham Blanks became the first Ivy League winner at NCAAs. Blanks called his race "dumb ass" after finishing, but there wasn't much evidence of that. 

Amby mentioned that Harvard has an actual world-record runner in physics prof Jenny Hoffman. She recently set a female record for the run across America, averaging 63 miles/day for 47 days. Amby was also intrigued by Jonathan Gault's report at LetsRun.com on the increasing use of a sodium bicarbonate mix by top runners. (It's legal but often produces more "runs" than running.) It's claimed that Kelvin Kiptum, Molly Seidel, and Jakob Ingebrigtsen have been using the bicarb mix. 

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this podcast, George and Amby speak with Meb Keflezighi about his astounding win in the 2014 Boston Marathon, and how it changed his life. Meb's story--from Eritrea to Italy to the U.S.--is quite well known now, but always mesmerizing to hear in his own voice and words. 

Meb is running Boston again in 2014, both to mark the 10th anniversary since 2014, and also to raise funds for his Meb Foundation, which promotes youth health, education, and fitness. (See below for a link where you can donate.) 

Anytime you need a little inspiration for an upcoming marathon or big effort of any kind, this is a great place to start. Meb will definitely get you pumped up.

Go here to support Meb's Boston 2024 run, and his Foundation.

Follow Meb on Instagram.

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Carey Pinkowski is the longest serving race director of a World Marathon Major race, having taken the helm at the Bank of America Chicago Marathon way back in 1990. Before that, he was an elite runner with personal bests ranging from 4:01 in the mile to 2:20:43 in the marathon.

This year's Chicago is just three weeks away on Sunday, October 13. As always it will feature a big and star-studded field of runners.

In his three-plus decades with the Chicago Marathon, Pinkowski has become known for putting on a super-fast race for elite competitors, and a super-efficient race for midpackers.

Last year, Kelvin Kiptum set the marathon world record in Chicago, running 2:00:35. He covered the second half of the distance in an astounding 59:47.

This year's Chicago is expected to host more than 50,000 starters--the most ever. They come for the big city vibe, the fast tour of many neighborhoods, and the easy-accessibility of Chicago's loop course with a start and finish in Grant Park on the lakefront.   

In this podcast, Pinkowski reflects on:

# What he learned in his early years on the job

# Some of the best--and most challenging--years of the Chicago Marathon

# What runners like best about coming to Chicago and running the urban marathon

# Why Chicago has pacers vs other Major Marathons that don't

# What he learned from watching Kelvin Kiptum's world-record last year

# How he learned about Kiptum's death, and his immediate reactions

# And much more

You can follow updates from the Bank of America Chicago Marathon on Twitter and Instagram.

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Ted Metellus is race director of the TCS New York City Marathon. In many ways, he’s a miracle maker. How else do you get 50,000+ runners from midtown Manhattan to Staten Island, and then back again (on foot) to finish in Central Park? Especially when they come from so many different countries and speak different languages?

Metellus seems almost born to the position he holds. Raised in New York City with Haitian-heritage parents, he’s big, bold, always smiling, and details-obsessed. He has also run 44 half marathons and two NYC Marathons, so he knows the needs of midpack runners as well as the elites.

In this podcast he discusses:

# how he went to the recent Chicago Marathon but didn’t see the race’s epic new women’s world record. Why? He had to fly back to NYC for the Staten Island Half.

# a few tricks that the NYC Marathon has learned from other big races

# what the NY Road Runners are doing to enhance diversity in the organization and the sport

# what new World Marathon Majors race(s) we might be seeing soon

# why everyone seems to be running these days (and trying to get entries into the most popular marathons)

# why he enjoys running road races himself

# and much more

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

It was an amazing Paris Olympics on the track and roads, and George Hirsch and Amby Burfoot discuss all the highlights here in this Paris Review podcast. 

We start with our two favorite races--the women’s marathon and men’s 1500 meters--and work our way through just about everything else.

From Faith Kipyegon to Beatrice Chebet to Grant Fisher. From Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone to Gabby Thomas to Kenneth Rooks. And much more.

Relive Paris with us! It was so good, you deserve to enjoy it twice.

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In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Patti Catalano Dillon, who received the prestigious Abebe Bikila Award at the recent TCS New York City Marathon. In the 1980 Marathon, Patti became the first American female to break 2:30 in the marathon, finishing second to Grete Waitz. Patti scored many major road race victories in her meteoric career, including 5 at the Ocean State Marathon (Rhode Island) and 4 in the Honolulu Marathon.

Patti explains her unique background, including her first run (in Earthshoes) around a cemetery in Quincy, MA, and her first marathon experience. "I thought I was going to die." She also discusses her continuing involvement in Native American running.

Before talking to Patti, George and Amby discuss the biggest recent news in running. Amby was disappointed by how slowly the elite women ran at NYC, suggesting that maybe they should have their fees reduced commensurate with their slow times (the 1980 Patti Catalano would have been right with them). But he was impressed by the 3:19 finish of 6' 9" former hockey star Zdeno Chara. 

George marvelled at how the NYC Marathon once again seemed to knit an entire city together. At a time of universal concern over several wars, various groups chose not to stage protests around the Marathon. He also enjoyed a dinner gathering of some of his longtime favorite marathon runners.
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Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this podcast, George Hirsch and Amby Burfoot talk with Dave McGillivray, who has run the last 51 Boston Marathons in a row, most of them while also serving as Boston's race course director. That meant he couldn't start his run from Hopkinton until everyone else had finished theirs at Copley Square.

On April 15, he will be aiming for his 52nd consecutive finish.

Sometimes that seems like the least of McGillivray's endurance achievements. He has also finished 9 Ironman Triathlons, several Coast To Coast runs, and a 24-hour pool swim, during which he covered 27 miles. Most of these efforts were undertaken to raise funds for various New England charities. 

This April, for the first time since the 1980s, McGillivray will be running with the main pack of Boston entrants. He'll start the first several "waves," then walk back to join a son and daughter in mid-pack. This time he's supporting his own charity, the Dave McGillivray Finish Strong Foundation (link below) that seeks to "inspire and empower" New England youth. 

Before speaking with McGillivray, George and Amby discussed the Barkley Marathons, where Jasmin Paris became the first female runner to finish the grueling, 100+ mile forest scramble in Tennessee. The event, and Paris's success, were covered by the NYTimes, BBC, and many other media.

This led to a discusion of why ultra endurance events get so much attention. George said he thought it was due to the female angle--that we are at an important historial turning point when women athletes are finally getting their due. He mentioned that Caitlin Clark is probably the most heavily covered collegiate basketball player in this year's NCAA championship playoffs.

Along the same lines, Amby recalled the recent success of Netflix's movie about Dyana Nyad. He also noted the recent 10,000 meter track performances of Grant Fisher, Nico Young and Waini Kelati. At The Ten, all met the qualifying times for this summer's Paris Olympics. 

After the interview, Amby said he was impressed with the way McGillivray shared his triple-bypass heart surgery with the running public to raise public awareness. 

George noted that McGillivray was anything but an instant success in the marathon. He dropped out of his first, and nearly quit his second at the 21 mile mark in 1973. At that point, he thought of his grandfather's belief in him, and picked himself off the sidewalk to complete the last 5 miles. And he hasn't missed a Boston finish since then.

To keep up with Dave McGillivray, you can follow him on ⁠Instagram.⁠ To support the Dave McGillivray Finish Strong Foundation, ⁠go here.⁠ 

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Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this episode of Running State of the Sport, hosts Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch chat with Ray Flynn, a former elite miler and current athlete manager. They discuss Flynn's extensive career in athletics, his experiences at the Olympics, the evolution of athlete management, and the current state of doping in the sport. 

Flynn shares insights on the upcoming (Feb. 8) Milrose Games, the significance of the Wanamaker Mile, and his hopes for the future of track and field. The conversation highlights the importance of collaboration among athletes, coaches, and managers, as well as the need for transparency in doping. 

Key Time Points In Podcast

Introduction to Ray Flynn's Career

08:38

Early Influences and Transition to Running

11:29

Scholarship and Cultural Transition to the US

13:59

NCAA vs European Club System

14:34

Competing with the Best Milers

17:36

Olympic Experiences and Expectations

19:29

Greatest Miler of All Time

21:50

Becoming an Athlete Manager

23:41

Managing Relationships in Athletics

25:29

Deena Kastor and Successful Partnerships

27:35

Doping in Sports and Manager Responsibility

31:08

Paris Olympics and Managing Podium Finishers

34:07

Michael Johnson's Grand Slam Track

36:56

Milrose Games: Insights from a Meet Director

40:02

Comparing Armory and Madison Square Garden

41:58

Inviting Jakob Ingebrigtsen to the Wanamaker Mile

44:05

The Mile vs 1500 Meters Debate

45:35

State of the Sport: Positives and Negatives

51:00

Fairy Godmother Wishes for the Sport

52:44

You can learn more about Flynn's primary business, Flynn Sports Management, here.

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Matt Taylor is the founder, CEO, and visionary behind Tracksmith, the Boston-based running apparel and footwear company. A middle-distance runner at Yale, Taylor explored several small ventures after college, and then joined Puma as a marketing executive.

There, from practically his first day, he was assigned to work with a young Jamaican sprinter named Usain Bolt. That proved to be both an adventure and an up-close running/business education.

When he launched TrackSmith in 2014, Taylor focused on the millions of serious, ambitious, but nonelite runners being ignored by the big running companies with their twin focus on signing Olympians to contracts while making shoes and other products largely for beginners. His vision seems to have succeeded, as TrackSmith is expanding to London this year, and continuing to launch innovative products. 

A year ago Taylor felt a return of his personal running drive after more than a decade of raising a family and nurturing a business. At 46, he set his sights on two goals: Running the mile in 4 minutes plus his age, and the marathon in 2 hours plus his age.Serious goals, and Taylor pursued them diligently. In fact, his marathon training included runs up to 27 miles. And he hit both his goal times with a little room to spare.

In this conversation, Taylor also discusses: 

# The competitive drive that always pushed him toward entrepreneurship

# TrackSmith’s innovative pop up tents outside the Boston Marathon Expo

# Tagging along with Usain Bolt on fun days and nights

# What he finds special about New England running

# Tracksmith’s determination to present photos and visuals that depict the authentic side of running

# How Tracksmith got more than 100 runners into their gear at the Olympic Marathon Trials

Here’s Tracksmith’s web site.

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this episode we talk with Boston Marathon CEO Jack Fleming about

* his main job responsibilities

* his history with the BAA/Boston Marathon

* the spirit and tradition of the Boston Marathon

* where he was during the bomb blasts of 2013

* the significance of the 2014 Boston Marathon

* his all-time favorite Boston races

* what it was like to host Eliud Kipchoge last April

* what happened when local police were called to confront Black cheer groups last April

* what he says to Meb Keflezighi every time he sees Meb

* and those famous/infamous Boston Marathon qualifying times

In this episode, we explore the inspiring journey of Bobbi Gibb, the first woman to run the Boston Marathon, in 1966. She shares her experiences of training, the journey to Boston, and the emotional impact of crossing the finish line, all while challenging societal norms and advocating for women's rights in sports.

Gibb also discusses her journey beyond running--including her artistic endeavors and the challenges she faced as a woman in various fields. Bobbi always emphasizes the importance of individual passion and the need for a peaceful, cooperative world.

Podcast Chapters (indicated times from beginning of Gibb Interview)

00:00

Introduction to a Trailblazer

01:05

Bobby's Early Years and Running Journey

02:15

The 1965 Boston Marathon Experience

07:05

Facing Rejection and Finding Motivation

15:20

The Decision to Run in 1966

17:23

The Journey to Boston

21:16

The Marathon Experience Begins

25:00

Crossing the Finish Line and Its Impact

30:37

Breaking Barriers: Bobbi Gibb's Historic Run

35:22

The Press and Public Reaction: A New Era for Women

38:17

Persistence and Recognition: Bobbi's Continued Impact

42:56

Art and Legacy: Bobbi's Sculptures and Contributions

47:45

Facing Discrimination: Bobbi's Journey Beyond Running

53:36

A Vision for the Future: Bobbi's Hopes for Humanity

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is a weekly newsletter focused on the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners. It was launched by Amby in 2021, and is now edited by Brady Holmer, exercise physiologist and 2:36 marathon runner.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," Lisa Weidenbach Rainsberger reflects on her Boston Marathon win 40 years ago in 1985. She also traces the amazing arc of her running career from All American swimmer to college track star to youthful marathon standout.

Lisa is widely known for her three consecutive fourth-place finishes in the Olympic Trials Marathon, but she doesn’t shed any tears over these disappointments. Instead, she celebrates the many positive aspects of her long racing and coaching career. 

She also discusses how she and her daughter, Katie, negotiated a healthy mother-daughter, coach-athlete relationship. This is a big story in running now, due to the highly publicized Ingebrigtsen family lawsuit in Norway.

Some highlights moments in the podcast

00:00

Celebrating a Marathon Legend

10:00

Lisa's Journey: From Swimming to Running

13:20

The Boston Marathon Experience

16:13

Olympic Trials and Career Highlights

19:02

Transitioning from Swimming to Running

22:20

Coaching Insights and Modern Training

25:04

The Evolution of Running Technology

28:04

Reflections on Female Sports and Future Aspirations

51:07

Lisa Rainsberger: A Journey Through Running

53:21

Coaching Dynamics: The Parent-Child Relationship in Sports

56:13

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is a weekly newsletter focused on the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners. It was launched by Amby in 2021, and is now edited by Brady Holmer, exercise physiologist and 2:36 marathon runner.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Rob Simmelkjaer, the CEO of the New York Road Runners, who of course are organizers of this coming weekend's TCS New York City Marathon. It's arguably the biggest, most globally recognized marathon in the world, and hence a hugely important event on the running calendar every year. 

Rob tells us how to pronounce his last name--it's much easier than it looks--and explains what it has been like to take the helm at NY Road Runners. He has held the top position only since last January, so this is his first Marathon overseeing the entire event.

Rob has had a long, wide-ranging careeer in other sports at ESPN and NBC, and explains what made him want to consider his new position in running. He also discusses frankly an area where he thinks those in the running world could do a better job: Telling stories and creating interest in the sport's fastest runners and biggest heroes. 

After speaking with Rob, who is 51, Amby notes that he was impressed with Rob's recent Staten Island Half Marathon finish in 1:39. That indicates he's in as good shape as he was a decade ago when he finished the TCS NYC Marathon in 3:28.

George was struck by what Rob said was his favorite part of the new job: Waiting at the finish to greet back of the pack runners and congratulate them on a job well done.

This week, George Hirsch and Amby Burfoot talk with Jenny Simpson, miler turned marathoner--well, almost, as Simpson hasn't finished a marathon yet. But she'll be toeing the start line in Hopkinton on April 15, and she sounds absolutely determined to make it to the Copley-Square finish line. 

Simpson explains in this conversation that she never intended for the Olympic Marathon Trials in February to be her first marathon start, but life had other ideas, so that's how things developed. She dropped out of the Trials at about 18 miles, and now thinks she overtrained and overstressed about the 26.2-mile distance.

For a decade, Simpson had been the best USA 1500 meter/miler. She excelled at the global level, winning an Olympic bronze along with a gold and two silvers at the World Championships. She also won the Fifth Ave Mile 8 times.

Even during her track career, Simpson explains, she did a long run almost every weekend. She also attended many marathons with her husband, Jason, a 2:18 runner, and found herself inspired by the tens of thousands of amateur runners who challenged themselves with the marathon distance.

 Before speaking with Jenny, George and Amby discussed the biggest recent running news. Amby got a chuckle over his Google News aggregator, which brought him an April Fool's Day story from LetsRun.com. It claimed that Taylor Switft was now dating shot put great, Ryan Crouser, all 6' '7" and 320 pound of him. Take that Travis Kelce!

But Amby turned serious when noting that the BAA/Boston Marathon was putting out press releases listing "5 Reasons for a Clear Course" while a Black running club rejoindered with "5 Reasons for a Cheer Course." Last year there was tension at the Marathon's 21st mile when club members allegedly ran onto the course.

George was impressed by the always strong performances at the World Cross-Country Championships. This year in Serbia, the Kenyan senior women swept the top 5 places--an unprecedented team achievement. Individual champions Beatrice Chebet (Kenya) and Jacob Kiplimo (Uganda) repeated their victories of 2 years ago. The next World Cross meet will be held in January, 2026, in Tallahassee, FL.

Reviewing their conversation with Simpson, Amby said that he appreciated her conviction that a woman athlete could be both a fierce competitor and a good sport at the same time. George liked her fearlessness in stepping up from the mile to the marathon.

You can keep up with Jenny Simpson by following her on Instagram.

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

In this episode of the podcast "Running: State of the Sport," hosts Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch interview John Cahill, a remarkable centenarian runner who shares his inspiring journey from starting to run at age 62 to completing marathons in his 70s and 80s. He ran a 3:05 marathon at 72 and continued to race into his 90s.

Cahill discusses his early life, health challenges, and the joy of running, emphasizing the importance of staying active and engaged in various activities. His philosophy of 'keep moving' resonates throughout the conversation. Cahill offers valuable insights into aging, motivation, and living a full life.

"I enjoy almost everything that I do," he says. "I have led a charmed life."

Key Points (minutes into Cahill interview)

00:00

Introduction to John Cahill: A Centenarian Runner

03:03

John's Journey into Running

06:01

Overcoming Health Challenges

09:05

Marathon Achievements and Training Regimen

12:09

Early Life and Sports Background

14:55

Military Service and Its Impact

18:00

Transition from Law to Ski Lodge Owner

20:57

Reflections on Aging and Motivation

23:50

Travel Adventures and Life Philosophy

27:00

Final Thoughts and Wishes for the Future

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is a weekly newsletter focused on the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners. It was launched by Amby in 2021, and is now edited by Brady Holmer, exercise physiologist and 2:36 marathon runner.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Conner Mantz, a favorite in the Feb. 3 Olympic Marathon Trials, based on his recent 2:07:47 at the Chicago Marathon. Mantz also won two NCAA Cross Country Championships in his days as an undergrad at Brigham Young University.

He’s part of a strong BYU marathon contingent that includes Clayton Young, 2:08:00 at Chicago, and 2016 Olympic marathon runner Jared Ward. All are coached by two-time U.S. Olympic marathoner Ed Eyestone.

Before talking to Mantz, George and Amby discussed the biggest recent news in running. This included the fast results in the Valencia Marathon, where Ethiopian Sisay Lemma set a course record of 2:01:48, and his countrywoman Worknesh Degefa ran a personal best, 2:15:51. In the same race, Kenenisa Bekele, 41, set a world record for a masters marathon runner with his 2:04:19.

In Oregon, Addy Ritzenhein, just a sophomore and daughter of former U.S. super-elite runner Dathan Ritzenhein, won the Nike Nationals XC meet. In England, Lauren Fleshman’s book Good For A Girl was named winner of the prestigious William Hill Sports Book of the Year. It was the first win for a running book, and the first win for a female author writing about female sports.

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

Jacqueline (Jaqi) Hansen is truly one of the most important pioneers of distance running and the marathon in the U.S. and around the world. Jaqi is probably best known as the Boston Marathon winner in 1973 (only 4 months after her first marathon.) But she also twice set the women's world record in the marathon, becoming the first woman runner under 2:45, and then under 2:40.

In addition, she and several colleagues on the International Runners Committee lobbied the International Olympic Committee to give women more track opportunities in the Olympic Games. The marathon isn't enough, they argued; we also deserve to have a 5000 meters, 10,000 meters, and steeplechase. It took a while, but eventually they won on all fronts.

This conversation with Jaqi was recorded shortly after she returned from the 40th anniversary celebration of the first U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials for women. That event, and the 40th celebration, took place in Olympia, Washington. 

In this podcast, Jaqi talks about:

# Watching Cheryl Bridges run the Culver City Marathon in 1971--the first time Jaqi had ever seen a marathon.

# Trying (and winning) the same race herself a year later.# Winning the Boston Marathon in 1973

# Attending her first women-only marathon in Waldniel, Germany, in 1974. Her trip was financed by friend and fellow runner (and actor) Bruce Dern, father of current film star Laura Dern.

# Running a 2:38:10 at the Nike OTC Marathon in 1975.

# Her struggle to qualify for the first Women's Marathon Trials in 1984--a half dozen years past her prime. (She succeeded.)

# Her experiences at the first Women's Olympic Marathon at the 1984 Los Angeles Games, taking care of a 4-year-old son while also cheering (and then crying for) Joan Benoit.

 # And much more.

In addition, you can learn more about Jacqueline Hansen from her website, JacquelineHansen.com.

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Ed Eyestone has been close to the center of USA distance running for nearly 4 decades, and never more than now. He's coach to American Olympic marathoners Conner Mantz and Clayton Young, and also the guiding hand behind undergraduate steeplechaser James Corrigan's improbable--no, impossible--road to Paris.

Eyestone himself ran in two Olympic Marathons with a best finish of 13th in the Barcelona 1992 Games. In 2016, he coached Jared Ward to his 6th place marathon finish in the Rio Olympics.

And he does all this while holding down a fulltime cross-country and track coaching job at Brigham Young University, his alma mater and that of Ward, Young, and Mantz.I

In this deep and revealing interview, Eyestone talks about:

# how to have 6 daughters

# how much faster than 2:10:59 (his personal best from 1990), he could run today with super shoes, super drinks, super cooling methods, etc.

# how Corrigan improved this year from 8:52 to 8:13

# where he was, and how he reacted to the U.S. Marathon Trials last Feb. when Mantz and Young placed first and second

# how the twosome is training right now, with a month to go before the Olympic Marathon

# his philosophy of marathon training

# why C(squared) = E(squared) is an excellent way to look at your training/racing development.

# and much more.

In this engaging podcast episode, Jackie Gaughan, a rising star in the marathon running scene, shares her journey, insights, and experiences in the sport. From her impressive performance at the 2024 California International Marathon to her reflections on the Olympic Trials, Gaughan (just 25) discusses her training strategies, the balance between her running career and a full-time job, and the influences that have shaped her as an athlete.

She also addresses the state of women's marathon running and her aspirations for the future, including her preparation for this spring’s Boston Marathon.

Learn more about Gaughan on her World Athletics profile page.

KEY POINTS IN THE INTERVIEW

00:00

Introduction to Jackie Gaughan

03:01

Jackie's Impressive Performance at CIM

06:01

Training Insights and Fueling Strategies

08:56

Reflections on the Olympic Trials

12:06

Balancing Running and a Full-Time Career

14:45

Coaching and Training Philosophy

18:00

Sponsorship and Investment in Running

21:02

Influences and Inspirations in Running

24:04

Transitioning to the Marathon

26:51

Preparing for the Boston Marathon

29:54

The State of the Sport and Personal Aspirations

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is a weekly newsletter focused on the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners. It was launched by Amby in 2021, and is now edited by Brady Holmer, exercise physiologist and 2:26 marathon runner.

In this conversation, Susanna Sullivan reviews the highs and lows of her running in 2024. This includes missing the Olympic Marathon Trials in February due to an injury and Covid ... then bouncing back in October with a big marathon PR of 2:21:56 in Chicago. Sullivan has been improving steadily for a handful of years, but that Chicago performance catapulted her to the uppermost rungs of American marathon running. She'll begin her 2025 season in a couple of weeks in the Aramco Houston Half Marathon before racing an as-yet-undisclosed spring marathon. She's also seriously focused on the Tokyo World Championships Marathon in September. Here, she discusses her daily life as a teacher, her training regimen, and the importance of balancing short and long-distance races.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Susanna Sullivan's Journey

04:44 The Chicago Marathon Breakthrough

10:54 Training Philosophy and Future Goals

13:53 Balancing Short and Long Distance Racing

19:21 High School and College Running Experience

24:20 Post-College Running and Coaching Dynamics

31:47 Training Secrets and Cross-Training Insights

37:25 State of the Sport and Integrity Issues

41:55 Wishes for the Future

In this new “Running: State of the Sport” podcast, George and Amby chat with legendary U.S. runner, Don Kardong. Don finished 4th in the controversial 1976 Olympic Marathon--we talk a lot about that. 

He also founded and race-directed the huge Lilac Bloomsday 12K in Spokane, Washington, and has finished the race himself 48 years in a row. A leader in the transition from “shamateurism” to open, professional road-racing, Don served as president of the Road Runners Club of America in the 1990s.

Other topics covered in this podcast

# How Don finished third in the 1976 Olympic Trials Marathon

# What he learned by racing against the likes of Steve Prefontaine and Frank Shorter

# His early 1970s training--up to 140 miles a week!

# Why he wishes he had brought a bronze medal back home from Montreal

# The joys of organizing a mega road race

# What Spokane’s city leaders thought when he told him the new 12K in 1977 would be called “Bloomsday”

# Don’s favorite stories among the many he wrote for Runner’s World and other running magazines

# His funny ice-cream quote that is most often repeated back to him

# What life lessons he learned from running

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this podcast, Amby and George talk with Jared Ward, who explains the reasons behind the success of so many great marathon runners from Brigham Young University. Ward is a 2:09:25 marathon runner himself, and sixth place finisher in the 2016 Rio Olympic Marathon. Ward was at the finish line of the recent U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials to congratulate his friends and training partners, Conner Mantz and Clayton Young, on their 1-2 finish in the Trials. 

Ward had just received a treatment of PRP for an ailing hamstring injury that kept him from running the Trials. But he couldn't have been happier or more effusive about his two training partners. "They'll never let you down," he said. 

He also described how Coach Ed Eyestone's steady hand has produced a growing number of top runners at BYU and after graduation. In a world of increasing specialization and digitization, Eyestone refuses to get lost in the weeds. He tells his runners: "Get as fit as you can, and everything else will take care of itself."

Ward explains why he's not bitter about finishing behind runners wearing super shoes in the Rio Olympics, when he didn't even know that super shoes existed. (Neither did anyone else except for a handful of Nike runners.)

He also discusses the BYU approach to caffeine for endurance performance, the benefits of training at 5000 feet and taking one day off per week, and how much carbohydrate marathon runners can consume during their 26.2 mile efforts.

Before speaking with Ward, George and Amby briefly discussed recent news, including: Sensational running at the Millrose Games and other indoor meets, a new U.S. high school record in the 2-mile, and the deaths of Kenyan running legends Kelvin Kiptum and Henry Rono.

You can learn more about Jared Ward by following his Instagram posts. Also, in 2019, he was a big hit on the wellknown "Shark Tank" TV show, and his Myostorm company continues to produce recovery tools for runners.

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for “running state of the sport.” 

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.

Chris Lundstrom is coach of the Minnesota Distance Elite team that includes female marathon ace Dakotah Lindwurm, who's running the Paris Olympic Marathon on August 11. Lundstrom himself has a marathon PR of 2:17, and a PhD in exercise science. He teaches at the University of Minnesota. 

Lindwurm wasn't among the favorites at the U.S. Marathon Trials in Orlando last February, but she has proven strength at the 26.2-mile distance, and finished third. Another Minnesota Distance Elite runner, Annie Frisbie, placed 10th.

Here Lundstrom discusses:

# The training principles he uses with his runners

# Why he thinks solid marathon training is more important than all the newer gimmicks like shoes, gels, and recovery tools

# Why he and Lindwurm opted to skip altitude training in the pre-Paris period

# What Lindwurm has done to prepare for possible warm weather in Paris

# What it's like to teach a college course in marathon-training for undergraduates

# Why he thinks the U.S. needs more "development" programs and funds for post-collegiate runners

# And much more

For more on Minnesota Distance Elite, click here.

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This week, George and Amby discuss the recent Boston and London Marathons--always highlights of the spring running season, and this year was no exception.

Both George and Amby were in Boston for the marathon, with Amby running and finishing for the 28th time. They didn't jump over the pond to London for that big event (with 53,000 runners), but followed it closely on streaming services and various Internet coverage.

Amby described his Boston run that included too-little training and a too-fast start. You'd think a guy would learn at some point. But he did have an ulterior motive. He also noted that his favorite runner in Boston was little-known Mark Bauman, from Michigan, who reached the Boylston St. finish line for the 55th year in a row. That's a world record for Boston ... or anywhere else.

George said he and others were surprised that the men's elite field allowed winner Sisay Lemma to build such a huge lead midway. After all, he had run 2:01:48 in Valencia just 5 months earlier. 

George also noted that Hellen Obiri has now won 3 major marathons in a row--Boston-New York-Boston--which makes her a definite gold medal threat in the Paris Olympics this summer.

The thrilling sprint finish to the women's race in London made George suggest that the Olympic Marathon might be equally  as close. Women's marathon racing has become much more competitive in recent years.

Amby took the opportunity to point out that his friend Jeannie Rice set yet another World age-group record (75-79) when she clocked a 3:33:27 in London. Rice has now won an age-group title in all 6 World Marathon Majors.

George and Amby also discussed everything from runners' church services in Boston, to Dave McGillivray, Meb Keflezighi, CJ Albertson, and Edna Kiplagat's amazing and still-continuing podium conquests in World Marathon Majors races.

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for “running state of the sport.” 

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

At the 1964 Olympic Games in Tokyo, little-known American runner Billy Mills achieved what many believe to have been the greatest upset in Olympic running history. He defeated world-record-holder Ron Clarke and a global field in the 10,000-meter final.

To this day, Mills is the only American to have won Olympic Gold at the classic 25-lap distance. You can watch his famous last-lap sprint here on ⁠YouTube.⁠

It's less well known that Mills also qualified for and ran the Olympic Marathon in 1964. He doesn't clearly remember the latter stages of that race, as he nearly blacked out from hypoglycemia. But he finished 14th in 2:22:54. 

In this podcast, Mills talks about: 

# Growing up on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation as a member of the Oglala Lakota people

# Attending Kansas University, where he began to dream of Olympic success

# Joining the U.S. Marines after college

# Where he got the courage and confidence to challenge Ron Clarke in the Olympic 10,000 meter race

# A final 200-meter speed session 4 days before the 10,000, where he clocked 23.3 from a standing start# The true meaning of an Olympic championship

# His family's plans to attend their 14th Olympics this summer in Paris

Where To Find “Running: State of the Sport”

Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for “running state of the sport.” 

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Some think Jessica McClain was the "tough luck kid" of 2024. After all, she finished 4th in both the Olympic Marathon Trials and the Olympic Track Trials 10,000. And fourth is the worst position, right? McClain herself doesn't see things that way. 

Excited about her life, her work, and her running, she sees the past 10 months as evidence that she's on a great path: happy, healthy, running strong.  And she thinks it's a sustainable path that could carry her all the way to the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics. 

McClain, who recently won the USATF 10K Road Championship, will race next in the New York City Marathon on November 3. 

In this podcast, she discusses her training to get ready for New York. It's going great.

She also talks about:

# Her last-minute trip to the Paris Olympics when she was called to be a possible alternate. She didn't know for whom, or even for which event--10,000 or the marathon. It was an unfortunate and little discussed situation for all involved.

# Her early love for running--she started when she was 12--and how she developed into a 4-time Footlocker XC finalist as a high schooler. 

# Her move from Phoenix to Seattle to become a pro runner after graduating from Stanford. And why that didn't work out so well.

# The many life changes she experienced during several Covid years, and how they eventually brought her back to her essential love of running. But not quickly.

# Why so many top women runners seem to be better after they have taken a few years away from the sport ... for whatever reason.

# The fulfillment of working for several nonprofits that support fostering children and adopting dogs.

# And much more.

You can learn more about Jessica McClain by following her on Instagram. 

If you'd like to support her work on behalf of foster kids and dog adoptions, visit the Love Up Foundation and/or the Love Pup Foundation.

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Pandora, or YouTube Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, search for "running state of the sport."

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels."

Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this episode, hosts Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch talk with Edwin Moses, a legendary figure in track and field. During his competitive career, he won 122 consecutive 400 meter hurdles races--a streak that lasted almost 10 years, and is unlikely ever to be beaten.

The conversation includes Moses's significant contributions to sports beyond the track, including anti-doping efforts and social change through the Laureus World Sports Academy. Moses shares personal insights on competition, training, and overcoming challenges, while also reflecting on the current state of athletics and the future of the sport.

Key moments in the podcast:

The Legacy of Edwin Moses

07:20

Reliving the Glory: The Documentary Experience

10:18

A Serious Film: Insights from the Documentary

13:16

The Journey of a Champion: Edwin's Early Life

16:09

The Evolution of Track and Field: A Personal Perspective

19:00

The Science of Hurdling: Technique and Strategy

22:04

The Anti-Doping Movement: Edwin's Advocacy

25:17

The Contrast of Eras: Modern Athletes vs. Edwin Moses

35:24

The Long Road to Clean Sports

39:02

Current State of Doping in Athletics

42:34

The Impact of Laureus on Social Change

48:00

The Future of Track and Field

51:38

The Role of the IOC in Athletics

54:28

Reflections on Jimmy Carter

57:35

Overcoming Personal Challenges

01:03:21

The State of Running and Athletics

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com.

Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this episode of "Running: State of the Sport," George and Amby chat with Chris Chavez, founder and prime mover-shaker behind Citius Magazine. In just a few years, Citius has become a top media player in coverage of elite track/field and road racing. 

While carrying old media nomenclature, ie, "Magazine," Citius is a thoroughly modern digital operation. It includes podcasts, blogs, newsletters, and on-site coverage of major events like the Olympics, World Championships, and U.S. Championships. 

Chavez himself races everything from the mile to the marathon, including a 3:17 in last fall's NYC Marathon. But he ranks higher as a writer-reporter, having learned the ropes at Sports Illustrated before founding Citius Magazine.

George and Amby were impressed that Chris discussed the business side of Citius as openly as the editorial operation. Also, he explained his passion for attracting more young folks to become fans of running (and even media like himself.)

Chris expressed no regrets about how super shoes have affected the sport, and didn't pull punches when naming his top 3 male and female picks for the Marathon Trials on Feb. 3. He's got a sense of humor, too. Chris said one of his Fairy Godmother Wishes for the coming year was to sell Citius Magazine for a price like what the New York Times paid for The Athletic. (Which is thought to be $550 million.) Go for it, Chris!

Before the conversation with Chris, George and Amby discussed some of their favorite running podcasts of 2023. Amby's list included: the "Let's Run podcast," "Koop Cast" with coach Jason Koop, and Ali Feller's "Ali on the Run."

George noted: Citius Mag's recent podcasts with Parker Valby, Katelyn Tuohy, and CJ Albertson; "Nobody Asked Us" with Kara Goucher and Des Linden; "Set the Pace" with Rob Simmelkjaer and Meb Keflezighi; "The Morning Shakeout" with Mario Fraoli; and "Some Work, All Play" with Megan and David Roche.

Where to find “Running: State of the Sport”

Use your smartphone to download podcast apps from Apple, Spotify, Audible, Pandora, or Google Podcasts. Once you've selected your favorite app, Search for “running state of the sport.” 

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com. Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

Run Long, Run Healthy is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Audio engineering by BJ McGeever.