Pyramid to Circles (Mickael Drouard )

Roche is a leading global healthcare company. Over the last few  years, it has undertaken a major cultural transformation to become agile and digital, that many see as a reference. Alain Bindels has been a key actor in the design and the facilitation of this journey from its beginning . He shares his insider experience, explains in detail how Roche led this transformation successfully, the challenges they met, and the company's new focus on innovation.

Brian is the founder of Holacracy and of HolacracyOne, the company that supports the growth of Holacracy. He sees his work today as “allowing leaders to release the reins of personal power and persuasion into a trustworthy and explicit governance process”. In this episode he shares his profound vision of leadership. He also explains why and how working with tensions  is essential to navigate complexity and introduces the new version of Holacracy, enabling a more adaptive integration in organizations. He also shares about his personal journey of self-transformation and his core values. A wonderful conversation with one of the thought leaders of our field. Interested in adopting Holacracy in your organization? Visit https://www.holacracy.org

In this episode I break a taboo by sharing my personal experience of an altered state of consciousness through legal psychedelics and how it has deeply impacted me positively in my life and in my work. I interviewed Christopher Kabakis and Dmitrij Achelrod (PHD), co-founders of Evolute Institute, who present their purpose, approach and results with leaders.
Let me explain. We all know it, in an ever-more uncertain and brutal world, organizations need leaders able to embrace complexity and to find ways to move forward while creating positive impact by integrating what seems opposite, without being taken by their own bias, preferences or psychological wounds. This ability requires a journey of self-growth. Over the last 30-40 years, the field of leadership development has been mostly based on psychological/cognitive approaches which indeed bring about results, but often quite slowly and with lots of effort. It is fair to say that it takes time to grow when your personal journey is happening through your conscious mind, precisely because the field of growth IS the uncounsious. So could we find a faster and simpler way to do it?
Evolute Institute offers a research-based, professional and innovative approach to organizational leadership development by using the power of altered states of consciousness, including breath-work, wilderness, mindfulness and legal psychedelics. For curated and courageous leaders who have already started their inner development journey and want to progress, they offer a series of scientifically informed and wisdom-inspired personal development methods with their summoned team of experienced facilitators, leadership coaches, as well as clinical experts and psycho-spiritual guides. They are based in Germany. An invitation for mature leaders to suspend judgement, listen, and then make up their mind...!  https://evolute-institute.com

For the last 15 years, Thomas Thomison has been developing Holacracy® into a replacement for conventional management power hierarchies. In 2015, he co-launched encode.org to upgrade underlying business legal, capital, and social structures with the same self-organizing principles. In this podcast, Tom shares the deep convictions that led him dedicate his career to create organisations that truly respect people and enable their potentiel to reveal itself. He explains many of the fundamental distinctions to understand how to shift from a centralised to a decentralised power system. A chance to get those directly from the source.

Andy Sontag works for the KAOSPILOT, the progressive business, design & leadership school in Denmark, where he has the role of Program Director for the Professional Experience Design program, that teaches how  to design experiences that grow people and relationships.

In this episode, he explains how to create the conditions of meaningful - or generative - experiences. Successful companies offer coherent employee, brand and customer experiences that address not only the mind but also one’s feelings. Here is the link to his model (5E).

Above all, Andy is a Master of human transformation. In our conversation he shares profound and highly inspirational insight about leadership, design and facilitation.

Christiane is a self-organization specialist, TED speaker, coach and an entrepreneur. She has been among the first to teach and implement Holacracy since 2009. Her journey has led her to address in a very deep way the People dimension of self-organization. In her new book called “New Stories of Love, Power and Purpose”, she invites us to understand our human potential and gives us some tools to unleash it. In this interview, she lays out some key distinctions that help me refine even deeper my understanding of what self organization means. In particular:

• What does self-organization actually mean if you look closer?
• What in the powershift is the most difficult for leaders?
• Why do words such as “leaders” do not make sense anymore in Self-organizations?
• The need to distinct and address two connected but totally different contexts, People and Organization, what it means and and how to address them?
• The definition of Purpose as an evolutionary need, distinct from a fabricated need.
• The understanding of people as Purpose agent and what it means in the organization culture.
• and much more!

I warmly recommend this podcast for people passionate and willing to deepen their understanding of the subtle but radical changes at play when we evolve towards self-organization. To know more about about Christiane, her services and her books, visit https://christianesplace.com

Sociocracy 3.0 is an innovative and comprehensive social technology for evolving agile and resilient organisations at any size. S3 offers a menu of transformational patterns from which teams and individuals can pick from and apply, one step at the time (see more at https://sociocracy30.org). In this podcast, James shares the journey that brought him to co-creating S3, and brings fundamental distinctions and advice that leaders and changemakers can apply to take their role to a new level.

In this podcast, we turn the microphone. My friend and business partner Chloé Grabli interviews me. I share my convictions, my experience as a change agent, in particular my journey in collective intelligence, Holacracy, Adaptive Governance, as well as the story of Fabric, the one of the book I just published, and some of the lessons I learned in 20 years working with dozens of organisations... I also share the deeper reasons that drive me in this life and career path. I found this moment very authentic and intimate. I even said some secrets about me I had never told so far..! I hope it will inspire the listeners in their own journey.

Remko has been coaching and facilitating multicultural and highly challenging contexts in the civil society for the last 2 decades.

His professional journey has taken him from his native city of Rotterdam to Bangadesh, India and Mozambique, working in various advisory and leadership positions for international NGOs and their networks of partners. Today, as a senior Integral Facilitator, Master Coach as a consultant, he brings over two decades of civil society experience in his coaching and facilitation practice  to support executive leadership teams and their organizations across the globe. His approach is based on the principles that: 1/ any improvements in your “outer game” are deeply linked to the “inner game” - and that this is true for leaders, teams, organizations, networks and whole societies; 2/ there is a world to discover at the intersection between individual and collective development, 3/ that the current predicament of a VUCA world offers unprecedented opportunities for growth. Connect with Remko on LinkedIn

Atalwin Pilon is the founder of 100 Day Warrior, a spiritual and physical transformation program that creates the conditions for talented human beings to rise above themselves. This life-changing journey enables consciousness shifts, as well as renewed energy and meaning. Atalwin’s approach to transformation, by combining body and mind, is refreshing, highly innovative and quite unique. He inspires leaders to prepare themselves to face whatever challenges life throws at them. In this episode, he shares his personal journey that led him to create this program. Visit www.100daywarrior.com for more details.

In this episode, Diane Musho Hamilton explores how the two polarities, Sameness and Otherness, impact group dynamics profoundly. Learn practical tips to navigate these forces in groups and organizations, and get insights on how to integrate these polarities in service of transformation.

Diane Musho Hamilton is an award-winning mediator and a teacher of Zen meditation. She is recognized for her skills in facilitating difficult conversations related to race, gender, and religion. She began working with Ken Wilber and the Integral Institute in 2004 and for fifteen years has held transformative containers for people interested in their own development.

Polytechnicien, ayant travaillé 20 ans dans l'Internet dans la Silicon Valley, en Europe  et en Chine, Sébastien a vécu un burn out qui l’a conduit à s’intéresser au rôle de l'ego et à l’importance de l’écoute  dans les entreprises. Il a développé l’Écoute Progressive, une technique basée sur des principes d'humilité, de bienveillance et de confiance en l'humain, qu'il dévoile dans cet épisode
En 2019 Sébastien a créé Tirezio, un cabinet qui accompagne les organisations en forte croissance ou en transformation qui veulent soutenir  le développement des individus à l’échelle mais n'ont pas forcément les moyens d'offrir du coaching “classique” à tous leurs collaborateurs. Pour en savoir plus : https://www.tirezio.com

Chloé Grabli est mon associée au sein du cabinet de conseil Fabric. Pionnière de l'intelligence collective, accompagnante d'organisations depuis plus de 10 ans, elle a développé des compétences uniques sur le passage à l’échelle de la transformation. Elle résume son métier comme celui de “créer les conditions pour que l‘organisation soit au plus beau d'elle-même”. Dans ce podcast elle partage ses “secrets de Fabric”, les approches uniques qu’elle propose face problématiques qu’elle rencontre au quotidien, pour que la transformation ne soit pas l’affaire des managers, mais bien celle des équipes. 

Itziar Canamasas holds a PhD in tumor genetics. She works at Bayer Pharmaceuticals as Head of Oncology for the region Europe, Middle East and Africa. There, she pioneers new ways of working that favor empowerment and agility. In this episode, Itziar shares about the business challenges she faces and how to address them with a new approach. She gives many tips from her own experience on how to build a more networked and empowered organization, drawing on the energy of people.

Very often, sustainability is addressed in the realm of  “doing”: Indeed, individuals and organizations must react  to the alarming data indicating the destruction of our living systems. But as we react, we are not yet in a creation mode, one that is truly innovative and inspired. For that, we need to experience that sustainability is also about “being”. It is about a shift of mindset inside yourself. Building a culture of sustainability in organizations means growing a new level of consciousness in which we belong to a greater system. Our guest Claire Carre (roseaux.dansants@gmail.com) brought to France the Work That Reconnects, founded in the 1960s by Joanna Macy. This immense piece of practice and knowledge is truly transformative but  has not been brought to conventional organizations YET. I invited Claire to P2C because I believe that her work will inspire leaders who want to innovate and include sustainability in their culture and transform their business. Please share with me your ideas and reactions at mickael@fabric.team.

Patrick Fransen is a Partner at Pebble Wave, a new type of consultancy whose goal is to incubate and invest in for-purpose start-ups. In this episode, Patrick explains why and how becoming a purpose-centric organization is a growth accelerator. He also introduces Pebble Wave’s 7-steps method to apply purpose centricity in all the company dimensions, including Culture, Ways of working, Business model, Strategy, Sales, Finance and People skills.

In this episode, I share some of the key learnings I had throughout the 1st season of Pyramid to circles, in particular what the term ‘Living Organization’ means for me, as well as the key leadership skills necessary for managers who lead a transformation towards empowerment, including Intelligence of the Self, Emotional Intelligence (a lot in there to say), and Polarities Management.
I would love to have your ideas and reaction on our LinkedIn page !

Jan Artem Henriksson is the Executive Director of the Inner Development Goals Initiative. He is also co-founder of Self Leaders - a Nordic leadership consultancy, senior faculty member at Stockholm School of Economics Executive Education, and a board member of Ekskaret Foundation.

In 2015, United Nations Sustainable Development Goals gave us a comprehensive plan for a sustainable world by 2030. There is a vision of what needs to happen, but progress along this vision has so far been disappointing. 

We lack the inner capacity to deal with our increasingly complex environment and challenges. Fortunately, modern research shows that the inner abilities we now all need can be developed. This was the starting point for the 'Inner Development Goals' initiative.The IDGs will provide an essential framework of transformative skills for sustainable development, a field-kit on how to develop these necessary skills - open source and free for all to use. The current IDGs framework represents 5 dimensions and 23 skills and qualities which are especially crucial for leaders who address SDGs, but fundamentally for all of us!  It is the greatest possible accelerator to reach the Sustainable Development Goals and create a prosperous future for all humanity. To know more visit: https://www.innerdevelopmentgoals.org

Meet Norman Wolfe, author of The Living Organization (2011) ; he inspired Frederic Laloux for his book Reinventing Organisations.

In this episode, Norman explains why most of the transformation programs fail. He brings his refreshing vision of organisations as human beings and how to tune our intuition  to deeply understand them. He also explains the the notion of context, the "story" driving the organization, and the necessity to consciously replace it with a new one if you want to generate the collective behaviors that will enable reaching the expected outcome. A must-have lesson for change makers who wants to understand the fundamentals of culture transformation.

This episode is specially for Facilitators and Leaders who want to enable a team or a group of people to reach a new level of outcome with minimal energy or resources. I really enjoyed Keith energy and mastery. Mickael

Unwittingly, the conventional structures used to organize how people routinely work together stifle inclusion and engagement. Liberating Structures are these new practices that liberate people's creativity, energy and engagement at work. Keith is the co-author of The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures – Simple Rules to Unleash a Culture of Innovation. In this very inspiring interview, he explains with very concrete examples how minimal liberating structures can shift the culture of an organization and generate results at a new level.

To know more and engage with Keith and Liberating Structures:

Website: https://www.liberatingstructures.com

Book :  on Amazon English & FrenchApp  Apple Store - Google Play Store

Join or form a Liberating Structures User Group

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Read articles by Keith & friends

B Corp is  a movement that brings together thousands of companies worldwide and that seeks to transform the economy by demonstrating, through the achievements of the B Corp community, that it is possible to reconcile the profit motive (for profit) and the collective interest (for purpose). Their standards  affect not only companies' business models and value chains, but also that drives a cultural transformation. You can not be exactly the same person in a B Corp. Their approach is an invitation for becoming more conscious and mindful of our ecosystems as companies, and also as people. In this episode, I interview Augustin Boulot, Executive Director of B Lab France. To know more, visit www.bcorporation.net

Adam Rosendahl is a facilitator, experience designer, and the Founder of Late Nite Art® - a creative learning and development lab. For the past 10 years, he has traveled the globe, supporting teams to improve creative confidence and deepen connection beyond the roles people play at work. His clients include Pixar, Stanford, LinkedIn... In this episode, he shares how to build psychological safety in a team so people can address greater challenges together. He brings numerous practical insights that leaders and facilitators easily can take inspiration from.

Jef Cumps is the author of Sociocracy 3.0, the Novel, and the founder of ILean, a Belgian consultancy specialised in Agile and Sociocracy. In this episode, Jef shares about his experiences with companies and how he supports them finding the right balance between “maintaining the structure” and “empowering people”, two polarities often difficult to reconcile, by working both on the organisational as well as the individual levels of transformation. 

Au sein du groupe Orange, Fabienne et Bruno occupent chacun des fonctions managériales dans lesquelles ils sont au cœur de la transformation agile de l’entreprise. Tous les deux ont déployé et maîtrisent l’agilité à l’échelle (SAFE) et  la Gouvernance Adaptative, une approche de l’auto-organisation inspirée de l’Holacracy et adaptée aux grandes entreprises. Dans cet épisode, ils partagent leur expérience de la complémentarité des 2 approches. Un épisode utile pour comprendre comment différents frameworks d’agilité de pilotage de grands projet complexes d’un côté, et d’agilité organisationnelle de l’autre, se complètent et contribuent à construire une nouvelle culture.

ICA is the Sweden #1 supermarket chain, with over 23 000 employees, 1300 stores across the country,  generating 100  Billion Euros of revenue. ICA has undertaken a very large agile transformation that has become a benchmark and a true inspiration for many companies in Sweden and all over Europe. The secret sauce of their success : make the transformation of matters of culture first, before any methods. Marvin Lilegren is the  “Head of User Experience & Design” at ICA and has been instrumental at the core of this story. In this episode, he lays out the step by step approach and key success factors of the ICA’s agile transformation journey. The principles he explains apply for any industry. Follow-us on https://www.linkedin.com/company/pyramid-to-circles/

In this first episode, Mickael Drouard, co-founder of Fabric (www.fabric.team) and host of the podcast introduces why he decided to broadcast  and what to expect from the episodes to come.

In this episode, I have the pleasure to receive my business partner. Axel has over 20 years of experience in the field of organizational transformation. He has worked on 100+ projects in over 30 listed companies. He presents the 6 practices that we, at Fabric (https://fabric.team), bring to our clients as they evolve from pyramid-matrix to self-organization. Axel draws from his extensive experience actionable insights to succeed change.

Michelle is a seasoned facilitator, speaker and researcher, as well as author of The Age of Thrivability: Vital Perspectives and Practices for a Better World. She lives in Montreal. In this episode, Michelle explains the 4 life universal design conditions and how to apply them in organisations. She brings advanced distinctions to help understand what it takes to shift from a mechanistic to a living system culture and explains how companies can be practice grounds for reinventing our world. A highly inspiring conversation addressing the core of the culture shift we need to evolve towards agile, resilient and adaptive organisations.

PDG du groupe Armor depuis 2004, Hubert a conduit cette ETI française de 2500 collaborateurs dans 30 pays à multiplier par 4 son chiffre d'affaires, à racheter son concurrent américain jusqu'à devenir aujourd’hui le leader mondial sur son marché. Ayant mis l’innovation, le développement durable et l'entrepreneuriat au cœur de sa stratégie, Hubert dirige cette entreprise à partir de convictions humanistes et spirituelles profondes qu’il partage dans son livre L'Esprit souffle, suis-le” (ed. Mame, 2021). Son message:  “La priorité de l’entreprise n’est pas la maximisation du profit, mais bien son rôle de transformation de la société en profondeur, pour construire un monde plus humain et plus juste”.
Dans cet épisode, il parle longuement de son cheminement, et de sa posture de leader entre liberté intérieure et vulnérabilité.

The capacity to deal with higher levels of complexity requires a culture shift from a competitive narrative to a collaborative one. In this episode, meet with the internationally renowned story activist Mary Alice Arthur, co-creator of the Collective Story Harvesting method and author of  365 ALIVE! Find your voice, Claim your story, Live your brilliant life (https://www.getsoaring.com). She introduces the 3 waves of stories : Influence, Meaning making and Healing & Wholing, as well as the 5 transformation skills that every change agent shall develop. Mary-Alice is one of the most advanced pioneers in understanding and transforming the underlying stories that create the context in which we operate unconsciously, as individuals, organisations and society, and that determine our outcomes. She authentically shares her decades of experience around the world.

“It is not the world outside us that has created the greatest problems facing civilization (or organizations), but our own limited consciousness. ” In this episode, I interview Marilyn Schlitz, an acclaimed social anthropologist, consciousness researcher and award-winning author. Marilyn has published the award-winning film “Death makes life possible” with Deepak Chopra, and is the CEO/President Emeritus at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. In our conversation we discuss the importance of recognizing worldviews and the necessity for leaders to learn how to accept, address and integrate those. Marilyn also shares about her unique and cutting-edge scientific researches in the field of consciousness (including distant viewing, healing, distant staring and psychomantium), and their implications for our societies. At the end of the interview, she shares 5 essential pieces of advice drawn from spiritual traditions to live deeply and cultivate your “super powers”. To know more, visit : https://marilynschlitz.com/

Flora is the co-founder of Thaé (https://thae.fr), a philosophy agency based in Paris. She uses Philosophy to support managers leading the change. She draws from Epictetus, Krishnamurti, Spinoza, Bergson, Arendt or Socrates very concrete practices that challenge the way we think. In this conversation, we discuss why reasoning is key to collective intelligence, the power of questions, how to use company values effectively, and much more.

Bruno Thévenin a été jusqu’en 2020 le CEO de Pepsico France, où il a créé les conditions d’un cercle vertueux alliant performance économique - une croissance exponentielle puisque l’entreprise est passé de 30 M€ à 1 milliards d’€, à la performance sociale (N°1 Great Place to Work, N°1 Top Employeur France). En parallèle de ce parcours de dirigeant, Bruno s’est formé au Coaching et à l’Intelligence de Soi.
En 2020, il franchit le pas et quitte Pepsico pour s’engager dans un projet au plus prêt de sa raison d’être: reprendre le cabinet Osiris Conseil, pionnier du coaching et de l’Intelligence de soi (MBTI puis CCTI) fondé par Geneviève Cailloux et Pierre Cauvin. Dans ce podcast, il partage son parcours, explique comment l'Intelligence de Soi permet un nouveau  leadership au service de  l’intelligence collective, en accueillant et en collaborant avec la diversité en soi - et en l’autre.

Co-fondateur et Directeur d'Orange Campus Management, l'université d'entreprise d'Orange qui s'occupe des 20 000 managers du groupe pour des programmes de formation et de transformation, Jean-François Hadida est aussi conférencier; sa passion : décortiquer les comportements managériaux pour favoriser leur évolution et permettre à l’entreprise et aux humains qui y travaillent de mieux faire face à un environnement toujours plus complexe, volatile et incertain. Créatif et passionné, Jean-François partage dans ce podcast ses convictions sur la transformation managériale, construite sur plus de 10 années d’accompagnement au plus près des dirigeants du leader français des Telco.

Ludovic Boutin est l’un des piliers de la transformation de Décathlon vers un modèle qui capitalise sur le potentiel de ses collaborateurs. Il incarne par son parcours des valeurs fortes d’authenticité, de confiance et d’autonomie. Dans son témoignage particulièrment inspirant, découvrez une transformation unique vue et vécue de l’intérieur et les dispositifs concrets mis en oeuvre.

Meet an amazing man, a seasoned Master of Non Violent Communication (NVC). A true world citizen who, with Indian origins, has worked and lived in France, USA, Italy, England, Kenya and Spain, Saleem Ebrahim has been a NVC corporate trainer for over 3 decades. Ten years ago he merged NVC with Internal Family Systems (developed by Richard Schwarz) in order to support the development of large organisations dealing with high levels of complexity and build their self leadership capacities. His highly inspirational insights truly enable you to get a deep understanding of NVC and why it is an essential key to succeed the cultural transformation towards agile. Saleem has been directly trained by Marshall Rosenberg, the founder of NVC, and in the interview he shares his experience of him. For more about NVC visit : www.cnvc.org

Pernilla Wikman is the VP, Head of Global Business at Telia, the leading Swedish Telco company. Based on her long personal exploration in the field of learning organizations, she has initiated in her division a deep culture transformation promoting self-managed and autonomous teams. In this episode she shares her experience, the results obtained, as well as very concrete insights on how to lead the change. In particular, she introduces the 5 transformational areas that volunteer teams are invited to explore : Why, Me, We, Focus and Self-Organization.

I have been truly  inspired by this conversation, and by how Pernilla  is driven by a desire to continuously learn.

Stéphane Pensivy est Directeur des Opérations France pour le B2B d’Orange. Lui et moi sommes les co-auteurs, avec Yann Bresson, du livre La Gouvernance Adaptative, libérez le pouvoir d’agir en entreprise (Ed. Pearson). Dans ce podcast, Stéphane partage le cheminement personnel qui l’a conduit à initier cette transformation qui a touché des centaines de collaborateurs sur trois années. Il aborde également les défis du dirigeant pour réussir une transformation vers l’agilité  dans une entreprise aussi complexe qu’Orange, ses propres apprentissages ainsi que ses conseils éclairés pour mettre en place la Gouvernance Adaptative.