Peak Human - Unbiased Nutrition Info for Optimum Health, Fitness & Living (Brian Sanders - Filmmaker of Food Lies & Health Coach)

Dr. Bill Schindler is the director of the Eastern Shore Food Lab at Washington College where he is also an associate professor of archaeology and anthropology.  Two years ago he co-hosted the National Geographic show The Great Human Race. He spent the last year abroad continuing his hands-on research and professional development by immersing himself and his family with indigenous and traditional groups around the world to learn about their food and diets.  As an experimental archaeologist and primitive technologist his specialties are in recreating technologies of the past to better interpret our ancestral diets. His current focus is learning how to translate the outcomes of that research into something meaningful for modern day diet and health and is working to fuse lessons from our ancestral dietary past with modern culinary arts to create a food system that is relevant, accessible and meaningful to modern Western life.

We got into so many interesting things like the development of humans and how it tracked with food technology, drinking blood and milk with pastoral tribes in Africa, eating brains, ancient food preparation and hunting, my favorite topic - nutrient density, and so much more. It was so enlightening talking to him, I’ll stop talking now so you can have a listen.

I have to mention the Food Lies film. Preorder on Indiegogo to support its creation and this podcast. Thanks!

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Show Notes

• Dr. Bill Schindler is a professor at Washington College in Maryland
• Director of Eastern Shore Food Lab https://www.washcoll.edu/departments/eastern-shore-food-lab/
• His whole life has led up to his career and interests
• His dad took him into nature and he learned to deal with taking an animal’s life even though he didn’t enjoy it
• Also grew up with mom and grandmother in kitchen cooking - realized it was all connected
• Learned to hunt and make tools as our ancestors did
• He became what’s known as an experimental archeologist
• Almost every single primitive technology made is related to food. Every tool and invention was based on getting food, processing food, storing food
• THe realization of the different types of food processing made all the difference
• Food processing of the past all focused on INCREASING nutrient density
• All modern food processing focused on money savings, shipping, shelf life, etc.
• Modern food processing also DECREASES nutrient density
• Not everything new we do is bad though
• Dairy is a hot topic. Just because we didn’t always consume it or other mammals don't consume it past a certain time in their life, doesn't mean it’s not healthy (if you tolerate it)
• Everything changed 3.4 million years ago when we made the first tool
• Humans are one of the weakest species on the planet on our own
• Our bodies and brains were quite small before we created tools to access meat
• Our digestive systems are actually pretty inefficient. We need to process our food with tools and fire to feed our large brains
• We have bones from Ethiopia that have butcher marks on them from this time, as well as impact fractures to get bone marrow inside
• 2 million years ago the invention of fire and some other hunting techniques were monumental for our species
• Humans started off as scavengers
• Once we started actually hunting ourselves we had first access to the animals we killed so therefore all the most nutrient dense, choice parts like the organ meats, etc.
• Results in a huge increase in body and brain size and women catch up in size to men more
• We mimic other animals in techniques of acquiring and processing foods
• Our biology isn't set up to eat meat like other carnivores - humans are set up to use tools and technology to consume nutrient dense animal products
• As we changed our diets, our bodies adapted to it. Homo sapiens wouldn’t have made it 300,000 years ago if we didn’t develop these extensions of our physical form necessary to cook and process meat
• We have brains that require high quality animal fats to function
• What is domestication? Humans were the first domesticated species - we domesticated ourselves
• Our teeth got smaller as we started relying on processing food outside of our bodies
• If we had absolutely nothing and were left to survive, the first thing we’d have to do is create a tool or control fire. Our body can do almost nothing on it's own
• Our food technology tracked with our body and brain size over history
• Almost all our modern produce was at one point toxic
• Nobody knows our exact diet 300k years ago, but that doesn’t matter - we have certain nutritional requirements that were established
• We accomplished the impossible back then, but even more impossible we now have gotten ourselves obese and malnourished at the same time
• We’re using modern processing to create nutrient-free food and it is what we are basically programmed to seek out in the modern food environment
• He argued with a pediatrician who was demanding patients to drink skim milk
• We evolved away from our chimp ancestors who’s digestive systems were made for digesting a ton of plant matter
• When we became bipedal 5-7 million years ago, everything changed
• Apes have to eat all day long and have giant jaw muscles to do this and tiny brains
• Theories on why are brains doubled in size
• Fat was prized for all of history
• Eating the ENTIRE animal
• White meat chicken breasts are the least nutrient dense, newest, wackiest thing we could eat
• His family rule is kill the animal yourself or know the person who raised and killed it
• Farmers markets are key
• The advent of agriculture can clearly be seen in the fossil record with a decrease in physical size and brain size
• What’s the real problem with agriculture?
• How can we utilize modern agriculture and technology to feed the billions of earth today?
• Connect yourself to your food. Try foraging. Go hunting. Go to a butcher. Make the foods you like from scratch at least once.
• Know the story of food
• Focus on quality
• Animals are the most nutrient dense foods available, especially the organ meats, brains, marrow, etc.
• He spent a year abroad in places like Kenya and Mongolia and studied many hunter gatherers such as the Hadza
• He was with a group that brought down a genet cat and ate all the organs immediately
• They were continuously hunting and gathering and hide a very varied diet
• Picturesque physiques with wide, healthy jaws, white teeth, big smiles, almost prancing as they ran
• Just blood and milk diet for 6 months
• How to have a meaningful conversation about diet, health, and sustainability
• Took a year off to live with these cultures and wrote a book
• His TV show on NatGeo called The Great Human Race http://www.natgeotv.com/int/the-great-human-race
• We must use the lessons of the past to learn what to do now and the future
• He painstakingly made all the period-accurate clothes for the show by hand
• How did our ancient ancestors lived based on this knowledge?
• We weren’t “surviving” - we must have been thriving to be able to continue having many babies who could then propagate our species
• Food Lab https://www.washcoll.edu/departments/eastern-shore-food-lab/
• His personal site http://ancestralinsight.com
• Follow all his work over the past year http://FoodEvolutions.org
• Twitter http://twitter.com/drbillschindler
• Join the Sapien Movement http://SapienMovement.com

And we’re back from Canada with amazing footage in hand. The film tour was a huge success. I posted a bunch of stuff from Tara’s farm on Instagram that you have to check out I’m @food.lies and she is @slowdownfarmstead. It was the best food I’ve ever had in my life. All the animals and plants were grown from start to finish on her land, killed and butchered by her and her husband Troy, and cooked and prepared from scratch all the way down to the raw butter that was bright yellow and chock full of nutrients. I was full in a way I’ve never felt before. Truly an unbelievable experience. 

We also were in Calgary filming at TK Ranch with the awesome Dylan Biggs. He’s doing great things on rocky, thin soil that can’t be used for anything else but cattle - who really are nature’s miracle.

We also had the 2 meat-ups in Toronto - such a good time. So many great people came out and the talks were inspiring.

Then there was the fat-adapted Pentathlon where I did the 5 events back to back on the track for the North, Central American and Caribbean World Masters Athletics Championship and took 2nd in my age group. I didn’t eat all day and then during the event I had a little raw liver and 2 thin slices of salami and cheese to get a little something in my stomach just in case.

The last event was the 1500 and everyone was dying after a long, hot day. I had full energy still and came in 2nd overall. Maybe I would have done better if I was training instead of traveling around stuffing my face at all these events and farms.

Now onto this episode which is with a great board certified internal medicine specialist and functional/root cause medicine practitioner Dr. Gary Shlifer. He’s a founding member of Sapien.org and I talked to him live from his clinic that I also work out of in Woodland Hills, California.

He’s part of a new wave of doctors that see through the outdated textbooks and teachings and aren’t going to continue that standard “sick care” medical practice that doles out pills and meds and never treats underlying disease. He’s got a lot of passion and been on some big podcasts and youtube videos lately and is doing great things! We’re following in the footsteps of Virta Health and reversing tyor 2 diabetes and obesity with diet, lifestyle, and a collaborative model using technology and health coaches. You can find out more at http://Sapien.org/sapienhealth

A few more things before we begin:

The Meat-Up in San Diego is growing by the minute. We have special guests Dr. Paul Saladino, Alyse Parker from a couple episodes ago, William Shewfelt, Dave Feldman just freed up and is going to make it, Logan Sneed AKA Logan FusionLean, and now the great Dr. Ken Berry. We’ll all be at Queenstown Public House wednesday night July 24th. RSVP at NoseToTail.org/event It’s going to be awesome!

It’s the night before the Low Carb USA conference starts. If anyone wants last minute tickets message me on social media and I’ll give you a coupon code for 20% off.

You can also find the nose to tail meats on that site NoseToTail.org where we have grass finished ground beef with grass finished organ meats mixed in. One which has about 30% liver, heart, kidney, and spleen, and one with about 5% of those organs. There’s so many other delicious and nutritious things there like bone marrow bones, bone broth, beef and buffalo bacon, high omega 3 pork and chicken, omega 3 ground pork with organ meats mixed in, lamb, and buffalo. Just check it out. It’s all delivered to you each week as long as you’re in the contiguous 48 US states.

We still have the Eat Meat shirts and other perks if you preorder the film on Indiegogo - click through FoodLies.org We are trying to scrape the last money together for all these awesome graphics we’re creating to really make this film shine and get the info across. It’s not cheap, even though we’re calling in some favors.

Lastly, please support this podcast on Patreon.com/peakhuman and get the extended show notes and my sincere gratitude. It’s not possible without the community. Thanks so much for supporting all my efforts! Now here’s Dr. Gary Shlifer!

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SHOW NOTES

• We are live in person with Dr. Gary in his clinic in Woodland Hills in Los Angeles
• He’s my business partner at http://Sapien.org and has had his own private practice for 3 years now while also working in hospitals around LA
• He practices root cause medicine, functional medicine, or whatever you want to call the better way of doing things instead of just slinging medications and treating symptoms like many mainstream doctors
• You invest a lot of time and money into medical school, it makes it hard to accept that there are things you learn about medicine health care should be questioned 
• It’s scary for doctors to go against big organizations like the American Diabetes Association 
• My content challenged the foundational knowledge of what Gary was taught in medical school and what triggered him to question what he had learned
• There is more and more anecdotal “science” surfacing that allows us to question what nutritional science tells us, for example the carnivore diet
• [15:12] In order to prove to a modern day American that we shouldn’t be eating processed foods we need a randomized placebo control study, you should just need common sense 
• Everyone who has stuck to our SAPIEN diet has found that the overall benefits extend so much further than weight loss 
• In just 50-60 years of misinformation people are disconnected from what food should really look like
• Gary grew up eating foods like pate, caviar, and liver and onions and when he moved to America, he was almost convinced that he shouldn’t be eating these foods but now he is grateful that his upbringing allowed him to have an open mind 
• When we go against human nature, eating fake foods and avoiding the sun, we get these illnesses
• Animal foods are the heart of our nutrition [19:57] and plants are no longer fallback foods, we don’t need fallback foods, we can’t pretend that a cucumber or bell pepper is healthier than a steak 
• If an alien looked down on human’s they would think we are nuts for going from eating nutrient dense animal foods to a plant-based diet 
• [27:43] In medical school, there is a huge focus on basic science, disease management, you don’t learn a lot of practical information or how to actually help people and you do not learn nutrition
• [28:01] He learned all the science behind metabolism and macronutrients, but they never connected that to food 
• Doctors don’t deal with nutrition, you just refer to the dietician or nutritionist 
• In the 4 years of medical school, you don’t learn anything about food and nutrition
• All of the medical dietary recommendations are anchored in very little research that doctors get attached to
• Gary’s passion for end of life care
• [34:31] The doctors have to listen to the hospital administrators and if you fight back, you are at risk of losing your job, license, being sued, etc. 
• Story of Gary prescribing a low-carb diet in a hospital to a diabetic patient and the hospital giving him the “low-carb” option which was a cheese burger with a bun and baked potato with all the fixings, given to the patient by the hospital’s nutritionist 
• Gary was given the tools to keep sick people alive but not take care of the general population
• Gary has seen doctors held to the fear of legal retribution and not do the best thing for the patient because of this
• Gary became very vocal about whole-foods, low-carb diets in his practice and he also had his own transformation too and people were interested in what he was doing 
• He knew he had an uphill battle when his highly educated peers didn’t understand that carbohydrates and sugars were contributing to poor health outcomes
• Gary cleans up other doctor’s mess, who are on countless drugs and have been given no meaningful dietary recommendations, and many are put on a plant-based diet 
• The archaic ideas around saturated fat and cholesterol and plant-based diets 
• [55:11] He has had his patients reverse his diabetes and other doctors tell them that they need a new doctor because he is recommending a SAPIEN diet which is high in animal fats despite them getting healthier 
• [56:54] Patients are very confused about what to eat, and people are basically eating dessert for breakfast 
• The SAPIEN diet is what humans should eat in the context of modern day America from an ancestral point of view with the addition of modern science
• The three pillars of the SAPIEN diet
• Pillar one: focus on protein, embrace fat, and minimize carbs
• Pillar two: nutrient dense whole foods
• Pillar three: condensed eating window 
• We are building technology to help patients adhere to these diet and lifestyle changes and connect patients to doctors and health coaches 
• Packaged foods have destroyed any innate food culture of our ancestors 
• We can’t accept that these fake foods are not part of a healthy diet, they are treats 

Where to find Dr. Gary Shlifer:

Contact us at www.SAPIEN.org 

Instagram: @drgaryevolve 

Gary’s Clinic: @evolvehealthcare & www.evolvehealthcare.com

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Hello everyone, welcome back to Peak Human. This is a different kind of episode. It's going to be three 90 second podcasts. It's my new idea to fill in the gaps between peak human episodes. I do these short episodes with really interesting people I find around the internet with amazing health stories, valuable stuff in 90 seconds, really cool reels. I

 put together, put them out on Instagram and also bundle them up and put them out as a little podcast. And so, yeah, in the meantime, go back and listen to the old episodes. Start back at episode one. So many great ones out there.

And you may have heard Nose to Tail, my company is not selling meat anymore. We gave it a good run, but there's no profit on real food. I learned how the world works. 

The world is the way it is because there's such a high profit margin on processed foods And if you don't have that huge profit margin, it's very hard to stay in business. So we've been supporting our regenerative ranchers here in texas for years now. We're going to sell the last bit of meat this monday We extended it. So if you're listening to this, it's June 12th, we're extending this to Monday, June 17th. And then we're going to stop.

But of course we still have our amazing beef tallow body care products, hair, food, skin, food, deodorant, all the things. And we also have our biltong with liver too. We have the sticks made of grass fed meat, made of grass fed beef with liver.

Best way to get your organs on the go.  So get that at http://nosetail.org get the last of our pasture raised pork by Monday, June 17th and enjoy the short three podcasts! 

Dr Chaffee is an American medical doctor and Neurosurgical resident who, over a span of 20+ years, has researched the optimal nutrition for human performance and health. It is his assertion that most of the so-called chronic diseases we treat as doctors are caused by the food we eat, or don't eat, and can be reversed with dietary changes to a species specific diet.

He began University at the age of 15 studying Molecular & Cellular Biology with a Minor in Chemistry at the University of Washington in Seattle, which culminated in an MD from the Royal College of Surgeons. 

Currently in Australia, he specializes in Neurosurgery and does private consultations in functional medicine while thriving on a carnivore diet

https://www.patreon.com/thecarnivorelife

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SHOW NOTES:

• [3:00] - Why Dr. Anthony thinks we are built biologically to be carnivores
• [10:30] - Why humans don’t need teeth and claws to thrive
• [18:15] - Are we made to eat plants? 
• [25:35] - Why most plants are toxic for you
• [32:20] - Longevity: Can we live to 120?
• [45:20] - Blue zones and genetic differences in humans
• [53:00] - Why are so many groups trying to villainize meat 
• [1:14:00] - Fruit: good or bad?
• [1:23:25] - Thyroid and Sleep issues on carnivore/keto?
• [1:35:00] - Organ vs. Skeletal meat ancestrally and in modern times
• [1:38:10] - Grass-fed vs.Grain-finished

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Today we have Professor Tim Noakes and I gotta say I was so excited to interview such a highly respected and world renowned scientist and researcher.

He has published more than 750 scientific books and articles. He has been cited more than 16,000 times in scientific literature and has been rated an A1 scientist for a second 5-year term.  He founded the Noakes Foundation which does critical research on these new dietary approaches and helps underserved communities eat better. He’s changing million of people’s lives in South Africa and the world as one of the biggest voices in the low-carb high fat movement.

Please listen to his story because it’s very important. He was in great shape his whole life as an ultra endurance athlete and marathoner yet still developed type 2 diabetes. You can be thin and fit and still be damaging your body with a high carb diet that athletes believe is necessary. So please take a listen to his words of wisdom.

Pre-order the film Food Lies here:

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Show notes

• How Professor Noakes got started with his career
• Los Angeles played a role!
• Accepting the high carb dogma
• Lore of Running https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/112160.Lore_of_Running
• Waterlogged - you don’t actually need a bunch of water https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14537326-waterlogged
• Placebo controlled study on carbs show they have no effect on performance
• A new Atkins for a new you shakes up his world https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7158682-the-new-atkins-for-a-new-you
• He’s reversed his type 2 diabetes as of 2 months ago
• Challenging your beliefs
• Ripping out pages of the Lore of Running
• His father’s diabetes
• Michael Phelps eating 12,000 calories per day
• Being a thin athlete and still causing damage to your body with all the carbs
• What is insulin resistance?
• Doctors not knowing if their insulin resistant or doing insulin tests
• I didn’t see much low-fat messaging when filming at a grocery store
• Why should I use full-fat cream in coffee instead of skim milk?
• Won’t I die of heart disease if I eat a bunch of saturated fat from red meat?
• Is cholesterol bad for you?
• I thought we should all be eating a bunch of heart-healthy grains?
• Ok but whole grains have to be good for me right?
• Where’s the evidence that we need a bunch of fiber? Kelloggs pushed his cereal and started this message
• Before around 1959 it was common knowledge that carbohydrates made you fat
• Meat was prized for all of history
• Ancel Keys and the saturated fat myth
• Nina Teicholz The Big Fat Surprise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16130316-the-big-fat-surprise
• Sugar industry paying of scientists NY times article
• Unilever
• The tweet heard around the world - the trial of Professor Tim Noakes http://foodmed.net/the-noakes-trial/
• Real Meal Revolution https://realmealrevolution.com/
• Colluding dieticians
• Promoting real food
• Back to normal life
• The Noakes Foundation http://thenoakesfoundation.org/
• Nutrition Network launched May 1
• Updating Lore of Running
• Brain regulates athletic performance
• Carb burning athletes are so reliant on sugar every hour or two
• Fat adapted runners
• Real Meal Revolution free resources http://go.realmealrevolution.com/banting20lists
• What would happen if the whole world went LCHF?

Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post

Podcast site: http://Peak-Human.com

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SHOW NOTES

• [1:30] - Zoe’s background and why she wrote her thesis on the lack of evidence for the introduction of food guidelines
• [4:30] - Cutting calories and why it doesn’t work to focus on it 
• [10:40] - Brian asks Zoe how to properly lose fat
• [16:30] - Zoe’s take on low carb and what she thinks we should be eating 
• [27:40] - Zoe’s take on animal vs plant foods in relation to nutrition and protein content
• [39:30] - Zoe’s take on the Food Pyramid and how we got into this awful situation 
• [50:05] - Power dynamics in society and how it relates to our approach towards kids’ health in western societies
• [1:07:40] - Zoe’s thoughts on the World Health Organization and The Great Reset
• [1:20:50] - How this conversation ties into the ostracisation on red meat and the organizations behind it

Alright, we’re back! We got Dr. Zsofia Clemens from Paleomedicina in Hungary. They’re doing groundbreaking stuff over there curing all types of diseases mainstream medicine believes are incurable. And you know what - they use zero medications. Their whole thing is removing patient’s medications one by one. They’ve published a bunch of studies you can link to from their site.

Dr. Zsofia is a neurobiologist and clinical researcher specialized in nutrition, nutritional therapy and brain research. Previously she’s been affiliated with the National Institute of Clinical Neuroscience, Budapest and the Neurological Department, University of Pécs, Hungary and have been involved in research related to epilepsy and sleep, electroencephalography, vitamin D and brain MRI.

They take a pretty radical approach. It makes sense to me though. If I ever had one of these diseases I’d follow their program as well. Take a listen. Some of it may be a bit controversial. Let me know what you think on the old Instagram machine.

I’ll give a quick nod to the things that make this show possible. First and foremost is http://NoseToTail.org where you can get sustainably raised grass finished beef, buffalo, lamb, and high omega 3 pork, and chicken shipped to your door. This is my company so you’re supporting me by ordering and a Texas ranch. My favorite thing this week is definitely the Omega 3 primal pork breakfast sausage. It’s seasoned so perfectly and you don’t even taste all the great pastured liver, kidney, heart, and spleen mixed in giving it all the great nutrition. I posted a stack of these patties I cooked up with some pastured eggs and cheese online the other day to make people jealous. I’m telling you it was something special. Maybe it’s all in my head. Maybe it’s that I know how nutritious it is as I eat each delicious bite. Who knows.

Last couple things - we have the Food Lies film on Indiegogo with a bunch of perks. We still need to fund all the awesome graphics we have planned for the film. This will be important to get across all the info. It’s a lot, but it’s so important to spread this message in a way people can understand. So much of the world doesn't know about this information. If you’re listening, you probably do know it. But just think how long it took you to figure it all out. I’m here trying to get every single bit possible across in 95 minutes. It’s not easy. 

You can preorder the film on Indiegogo or click through from http://FoodLies.org and you can also help the cause by supporting me on Patreon at http://Patreon.com/peakhuman

Kristi has been adding to the extended show notes for supporters there.

And that’s it. Thanks everyone! Really appreciate it. Now let’s hear from Dr. Zsofia Clemens

Welcome back everyone, I’m Brian Sanders and I’m the founder of Sapien.org and the filmmaker behind the feature-length documentary Food Lies.

Today we have fellow filmmaker and neighbor of mine, Chris Bell. We’re making similar films and have a lot of similar ideas on nutrition. We’re both coming at it from different angles and I think they’re going to really push the movement forward in unique ways. He has some solid advice on filmmaking as well as life. All the films he has made are awesome and he’s a really interesting and genuine guy. I definitely enjoyed spending time with him talking about all my favorite topics.

You can get the Real Foods coin I gave him in the middle of the episode on our Indiegogo page while getting a copy of the Food Lies film. They’re these nice, large metal challenge coins I designed and are actually really cool. We might only have 10 left so get them while you can.

If you’ve already preordered the film or don’t have the cash lying around to do so, and you're getting some value from this podcast, I’ve also made a Patreon to help support this show and keep it ad-free. People have been reaching out to sponsor it but I’ve been turning them down. I’d rather give this brief message here in the beginning allowing the community support it instead of having to break for annoying ads, even if the products are something I believe in. Thanks for making this possible - just go to Patreon.com/peakhuman or click through the link in the show notes and you can throw as little as $2 per month at this endeavor and keep it afloat. I sincerely appreciate it and really love our tribe we are forming. I’ll be at Paleo f(x) this weekend so give me a shout if you’re there. Now here’s Chris Bell.

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SHOW NOTES

• We’ve met up a lot lately and realized we definitely not making the same film
• Vinnie Tortorich is also making a great film to complete the trifecta called Fat
• Filmmaking is a long, slow process
• The film changed once he got his parents involved
• He some health problems and an epiphany
• They started out wanting to call it War On Carbs
• Struggle with addiction is real
• He made the film Bigger, Faster, Stronger which is awesome. He looks a lot better than he did 10 years ago when he filmed it
• Going back to the beginning with powerlifting and his brother Mark Bell
• He doesn’t believe there’s any evidence for needing carbs to build muscle
• You can see his photos on a keto diet and carnivore diet http://instagram.com/bigstrongfast
• Steroid use
• The war against carbs is his personal journey
• Eating well is “sobriety from bad foods”
• Spread messages through love instead of hate
• Vegan bodybuilders
• Being fit is synonymous with being healthy for the most part and also very important as you age
• He made the movie A Leaf of Faith about kratom
• Feedlot beef vs. grass finished, omega 3 to omega 6 ratio, and all the intricacies
• Who do you believe in all this conflicting information?
• Colesterol, LDL, statins, and metformin
• He also made the movie Prescription Thugs
• How do you know when the documentary is finished and you found the story?
• We watch vegan content to make sure we’re on track and not ruining the world
• Carnivore adjacent
• The SAPIEN diet is just eating for nutrient density, focusing on protein, embracing fat, and minimizing carbs
• http://sapien.org/diet
• His movie is turning more into a family story
• Chris Bell on Instagram http://instagram.com/bigstrongfast

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Natalie Kovarik

Natalie is a Ranch wife, mother, and social entrepreneur. She’s grown from an instagram following to include her own podcast, clothing line, an online course, and she now hosts marketing retreats for women in rural lifestyles.

Natalie’s website: https://nataliekovarik.com

Tara Vander Dussen

Tara is a 5th generation dairy farmer, environmental scientist, farm wife, and mother to 2 girls. She serves as president of United Dairy Women, a charity dedicated to providing dairy to families in New Mexico.

A passionate advocate for all things dairy farming. She’s proudly known as the New Mexico Milkmaid when sharing online. Her mission is to share the truth about dairy farming and weed out the misconceptions about farming and farm life.

Tara’s Website: https://taravanderdussen.com/

Together with Tara they host the DiscoverAg podcast and help women with agriculture marketing with their Ecourses and Facebook community ElevateAg.

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SHOW NOTES

[4:28] - Nuances of the ranching solution.

[8:00] - Types of ranching operations

[11:15] - Breakdown of farm sizes and stats in the US

[13:00] - Common misconception that cows spend their lives in cages

[15:10] - Cattle are naturally herd animals, it gives off a misconception that they’re always packed super close together when on pastures

[17:53] - The majority of people have been fed the propaganda that meat is the enemy

[21:00] - Are there bad players/practices in the industry? 

[28:40] There’s a lot of arguments about how we get our food, but ultimately we still need some amount of efficiency for such large populations

[34:45] How has the quality of milk/meat changed? Can cows actually eat corn and non-traditional diets.

[39:52] Is marbled meat bad?

[48:39] What are some of the differences in nutrition with lab grown meat?

[53:10] - Is climate change a human cause? What’s the truth?

[59:29] Meat based diets are making a comeback and gaining traction over veganism.

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Gabor is a food scientist with a master's in molecular biology. He lives in Hungary and is one of these engineers/scientists who I love talking to who look at nutrition differently. He has a very unique perspective because he worked for big food manufacturers.

He spends almost all of his free time researching this stuff to help people understand how bad these processed foods actually are. He has a large community on Facebook where he shares and discusses this information. He also has some great presentations he’s done you can find online.

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SHOW NOTES

• (12:29) To determine whether a study is biased, refer first to potential conflicts of interest.

• (14:56) Adipose tissue is a question of function over mass.

• (23:53) We are adaptive organisms.

• (31:04) Accelerated Appearance and Absorption (AAA) takes place when your small intestinal tract is filled too quickly with ultra-processed foods (refined carbs and/or added fats).

• (41:03) Processed proteins are nowhere near as unhealthy as processed carbs.

• (55:40) Overeating doesn’t necessarily equal gaining weight, and vice versa.

• (58:36) Adipogenesis is the generation of more fat mainly through the addition of new fat cells.

• (1:09:19) In general, metabolic health is a good marker of future health outcomes.

• (1:17:58) A diet rich in refined carbohydrates and added fats leads to the production of endotoxins that are easily absorbed.

• (1:27:46) Visceral fat is a protective mechanism.

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Hi Everyone, I’m Brian Sanders, and I’m making a feature length documentary called Food Lies which is about the sordid history of our dietary guidelines, the epidemic of chronic disease and obesity that followed, what the new science is telling us humans should actually be eating, and how to eat that food sustainably.

As I make the film, I’m talking to a bunch of experts who have graciously lent me their time to create this podcast. Actually, you can think of this as a free audio course on nutrition - all without ads. I’m doing this to support the Food Lies film which is now crowdfunding on Indiegogo.com.

Over the next 13 episodes you’ll hear from some of the top experts in their field, specifically chosen to cover all areas of this complicated subject. There’s so much conflicting health information out there, it’s almost impossible to know who and what to believe. I quit my job and have spent the past year researching it from all sides, even veganism, and this audio series provides an overview.

By the end, all the confusion around health and what we should eat should make sense. You’ll learn so much more of the science behind this all, like the real deal with cholesterol and saturated fat, how to prevent cancer and diseases, if carbohydrates can be part of a healthy diet, and how ruminants like cows are essential for the health and future of the soil and environment

The first part of the season includes these amazing doctors, researchers, and journalists:

• Professor Tim Noakes
• Dr. Ted Naiman
• Dr. Zoe Harcombe
• Gary Taubes
• Dr. Dom D’Agostino
• Denise Minger
• Dr. Shawn Baker
• Amy Berger
• Peter Ballerstedt
• And more to come

There’s so much awesome information in this audio series, I can’t wait to share it with everyone. So please subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts.

You're probably wondering “So who’s this Brian guy?” by now. Well, first of all, I’ve been a filmmaker since middle school. I’ve also built and sold a tech company, worked as a mechanical engineer, and now, I’ve quit my job to devote the rest of my life to this cause. I’ve read dozens of books, watched dozens of films, watched hundreds of lectures and presentations, and listened to over a thousand hours of podcast episodes on this subject.

I’ve looked at all the different approaches and figured out what the common truths are and what’s BS. I now understand the unifying theory of nutrition that pulls together all sides - from Paleo to Vegan. Nobody is really talking about this - everyone is too busy being blinded by their tribe.

I’ve also put this research into practice, and now, at age 35, I’m in the best shape of my life. My vitals and blood work are flawless and I haven’t been sick in 3 years. The same goes for countless family and friends, as well as millions around the world. I’m so excited to share this all with you.

Once again, the film is called Food Lies and we’re crowdfunding now on Indiegogo.com. Please support us and preorder a copy the film. We also have tons of great rewards like the limited edition Real Foods challenge coin. Also don’t forget to subscribe to this podcast as the episodes will be airing soon. You can find out more at peak-human.com and foodlies.org and find us on Twitter (@FoodLiesOrg) and Instagram (@food.lies). Thanks again!

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Hello, hello! What a beautiful day it is to be alive and well. I hope everyone is getting outside and getting some sun each day if they live someplace where that is possible. If not, at least getting outdoors and getting some exercise will have a ton of other benefits. 

Today’s podcast is all about vitamin D and how it relates to human health and the immune system. Living a healthy lifestyle, avoiding metabolic disease, eating nutrient dense animal foods, and getting responsible sunlight all play into your vitamin D status. Even some supplementation can be sometimes very necessary and beneficial. I posted another great study out of Indonesia on the correlations between vitamin D status and deaths from COVID-19. They are very striking and everyone should check them out on social media on my Food Lies accounts. Just search for “Food Lies” on any platform.

I’ve been talking to Joel about this vitamin D stuff for about a year now and have been tracking it over the past 6 weeks during the Coronavirus pandemic. We’ve been trading information and it was good to see that some good data has finally been coming out. I kept mentioning getting outside and getting sun exposure but didn’t want to post anything definitive until the science was clear. I think we’re getting to that point now with multiple studies from multiple countries. Even Dr. Gary has been reporting extremely low levels in all his patients who are having bad cases of COVID. I’d also like to point out that the logo for my company Sapien is a sun. I couldn't think of a better representation of everything that represents healthy humans. 

Dr. Joel Gould is a dentist with 30 years of experience in Canada and the United States. He is on the forefront of revolutionizing modern dental approaches by furthering his knowledge on science, technology, and the human body. He has been featured for his innovative work on network TV such FOX, NBC, ABC, and CBS. He launched His unique “Sleep Restoration” program in 2016, focusing on organic, non pharmaceutical solutions for insomnia and sleep apnea. Dr. Gould’s new book The Modern Epidemic set to be released this summer lays out a new health paradigm based on sleep and breathing, and natural regeneration, founded on ancestral health, and evolution.

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You can also support this podcast and everything else I do at http://patreon.com/peakhuman I’ve been able to scrape by without taking on any advertisers or outside money for any of my ventures so far and really want to keep it that way. The Food Lies film, the Food Lies youtube channel, and all my social media is powered all by the community. I have yet to take a cent from another company. That’s http://patreon.com/peakhuman or click through http://sapien.org where you can find out about all the projects I’m working on including the health technology. We’re still looking for doctors, healthcare providers, and health coaches to work with us. You can add yourself to the waiting list at http://sapien.org

Thanks for sharing this podcast and reviewing it on iTunes and the Apple podcast app! Really appreciate all of you and all the inspiring messages of positive health journeys! Now let’s hear some more great information about vitamin D from Dr. Joel Gould.

Hey Hey welcome back. Thanks for listening and thanks for all the kind words about this podcast. I get tons of messages and emails weekly and the stories of change are inspiring. It helps to keep me going and put in the work to find amazing experts and put out a good show.

Today we have Alyse Parker who used to go by Raw Alignment. She had a huge vegan following of over 750,000 subscribers on youtube and hundreds of thousands on Instagram. She did different plant based diets over the course of about 4 years including raw vegan and ended up with some terrible health conditions. I won’t give up too much, but she’s now eating almost completely animal foods. It’s an interesting story and I hope you enjoy it! SHe’s a great person and I’m looking forward to a meat up we’ll be having in San Diego on July 24th with her and Paul Saladino. I’ll announce that soon so people can RSVP.

We have 2 Meat-Ups in Toronto coming up. One this Saturday at the world famous Speducci Mercatto with North America’s only meat sommelier. Mikhaila Peterson, Tara Couture (who’s @slowdownfarmstead on Instagram - my favorite account ever), and Bryan Gilvesy a sustainable farmer and speaker will be there as our guests of honor. They’ll all be saying a few words and hanging out and eating the all you can eat delicious meat and some wine. We’ll have the Food Lies team there as well so grab a ticket on http://NoseToTail.org/event

We also have a free Meat-Up at The Simple Kitchen Friday JUly 19th. We’ll have grass fed burgers and other paleo/keto/sapien options there for purchase as well as wine and beer. RSVP at the same place http://NoseToTail.org/event

Comment or message me on social media if you’d like to have a Meat-Up in your city. A few other quick things. Please support this show on Patreon at Pateron.com/PeakHuman. I really need your support to keep this podcast ad-free. You’ll get the extended show notes which are super information-packed and an invite to the private Slack group.

You can still pre-order the film and get the Eat Meat shirts and the other great perks on Indiegogo. You can link there from http://FoodLies.org

And last, but not least we have my grass finished meat company Nose To Tail. Don’t need to talk about this because Alyse made her own advertisement at the end. We never talked about this beforehand, I promise. So here it is, the wonderful reformed vegan celebrity, Alyse Parker.

SHOW NOTES

• Alyse is a YouTuber who created a following living a vegan lifestyle 
• She lived on a fruit farm in Hawaii where she started a raw vegan diet 
• After 4 years on a vegan diet she realized her health was declining 
• Her experience hiking the Appalachian trail 
• She moved back to Hawaii and started experiencing loss of appetite, sinus congestion, brain fog, fatigue, and loss of memory and found out she had mold toxicity
• Out of desperation she tried a carnivore diet and felt immediately better 
• She now realizes everything she was missing from a vegan diet 
• She believes there is a trend with vegans who notice at year 4-5 their health begins to decline 
• There is no open dialog around the negative side effects of veganism 
• If you are vegan you believe you are eating the ideal diet
• There is a trend with vegans developing sensitivities to foods 
• Her experience with such a big following when her identity was centred on veganism
• The reactions of her followers transitioning away from veganism 
• Why is there a stigma around red meat for women? 
• How she felt after adding animal products back into her diet 
• She wants to continue sharing her journey online to inspire people to make any changes they need to make and for them to know it’s ok not to have your health figured out
• Hearing other people’s stories gives you permission to question things and see it helping someone else helps you make rational decisions
• Alyse’s main messages online are not revolved around food, her message is about tuning into yourself and building confidence
• http://instagram.com/alyseparkerr

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On this episode, Brian speaks with the renowned author and journalist Jayne Buxton. Jayne had published several books, non-fiction and fiction, on various subjects, but had a strong passion for regenerative agriculture, nutritional research and advocacy for animal products. 

She is the author of the recently released book, The Great  Plant-Based Con, which is discussed today. 

Jayne is also an ambassador for The Real Food Campaign and The Public Health Collaboration, while also having written for publications such as The Guardian and The Independent.

SHOW NOTES:

• [3:00] Jayne and Buxton speak on their books/film and what inspired them to start that path
• [5:15] - Brian and Jayne share their experience with the USDA scientist David Klurfeld  who blew the whistle on the WHO study which demonized Meat
•  [9:25] - The high-level view of plant-based arguments 
• [14:10] - Diving into the nutritional differences in omnivore and vegetarian diets and their relation to health
• [29:30] - the ramifications of Ancel Keys and the demonization of saturated fat, cholesterol and their association to heart disease 
• [49:40] - The propaganda and narrative behind the environmental arguments in the plant-based agenda 
• [1:12:00] - Where the globalization behind the plant-based agenda is leading to
• [1:17:00] - Getting the book and moving forward

She is a professor at Yale University and also leads the Malawi ancient Lifeways and Peoples Project in Malawi, in central Africa, to develop and interpret the evolutionary history in the area during the last Ice Age.

Jessica thompson PhD website: https://campuspress.yale.edu/jcthompson/

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SHOW NOTES:

• [0:30] - Dr. Jessica speaks about getting back on campus at Yale University and her specialties research in the field of anthropology
• [5:40] - Jessica’s take on where and when we started as a human species
• [10:10] - What is the difference in diet, structure, etc. between humans and primates split around 7+  million years ago?
• [16:40] - Diving deep into tool marks on bones and what we can learn from them
• [24:40] - Jessica shares her opinion on the nuance of why our evolutionary adaptations that make us human occurred
• [36:10] - Did protein or fat change human evolution?
• [55:22] - The importance that megafauna played in our evolution and how they played into cooperation and competition in populations
• [57:05] - Jessica shares her thoughts on adaptations to the type of energy we consume such as milk, fat, etc. as it relates to the genes/skills that get passed down
• [1:01:00] - The massive shift in our modern diet in the short time frame, causing massive implications in long-term health
• [1:09:19] - Jessica weighs in on the role of animal products on evolution and our current health
• [1:17:30] - Jessica’s thoughts on longevity and  biological anthropology

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Sally Fallon Morell is the director and co-founder of the Weston A. Price Foundation. She’s spent the last 20 years doing amazing work to promote the wise traditions of our ancestors and their farming, preparation, and consumption of foods. She’s written many amazing books such as Nourishing Traditions, Eat Fat, Lose Fat, and a new Book called Nourishing Diets. I really value all that she’s done and continues to do.

I’ve come to realize my ideal diet is the one the Weston A. Price Foundation recommends minus the grains, even though they are safe if you prepare them properly as Sally mentions. I’d prefer to run on fat and most people listening probably know the vast benefits of doing this. I want to highlight that they can be safe to eat if you soak them overnight, etc. so if you choose to eat these foods at least do it properly.

You may have noticed I’m getting all kinds of people on the show. I don’t want to be totally one sided. I’ll let people share their differing opinions and not argue with them. That doesn’t mean I support their stance. Dr. David Klurfeld, Layne Norton - let’s hear what they have to say.

I think it would be a disservice to just keep getting people on the show who 100% agree with me. You have to be open to all sides so you’re not caught being dogmatic just like vegans and only look at things from one angle or miss the truth because your head is in the sand. All I’m after is truth, and will change my views if necessary. So far, nothing has shaken my belief that we need to eat nutrient dense ancestral diets with a lot of animal fat. I believe it’s better to run on fat, and most carbs are pretty worthless because they don’t have a lot of nutrients for how much energy they have. You can get the same nutrients that properly sprouted and fermented grains have elsewhere.

People doing carnivore. Listen to the teachings of Dr. Price. Eat the whole animal. So much of the good stuff is in the bits and pieces. You can point to many populations over time eating mostly all or even 100% animal foods for long periods or life, and I agree with you, but they weren’t eating only muscle meat.

I think the best diet out there is basically what Tara Couture, my last podcast guest who’s a homestead farmer, feeds her family. The full animal plus fermented veg and other fresh grown veg thrown in. Add in some more exotic foods such as fish eggs, avocado, mushrooms, and coconut oil. You can’t get more nutrient dense and less potentially harmful than that.

This was our last film tour and we’re now actively engaged in post-production for Food Lies. All the T-shirts and rewards are being sent out shortly. You can still pre-order the film and get the other rewards at Indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post which is linked here in the show notes and at FoodLies.org where you can also see the film trailer. Thanks so much for the support and here’s Sally.

Show Notes

• Just got back from filming with her on her farm in southern Maryland
• They mimic nature with regenerative and holistic farming practices and produce raw milk and raw cheese, etc.
• It’s strange that we need an entire organization just help re-educate people on how we have always eaten. It’s an uphill battle with a ton of opposition
• Rotational grazing mimics the grazing and movement of ruminants throughout history
• Weston A. Price foundation validates traditional farming and eating practices with modern science
• Demonization of saturated fats
• Procter & Gamble and the cottonseed oil and Crisco story - they were experts at marketing to housewives of the time
• Vegetable oils might be worse than trans fat
• For all of history humans prized animal fat
• It’s insane to give kids skim milk
• Dr. Price found that different culture all over the world had similar practices of a nutrient dense animal food diet 6 months prior to conception
• Vegetarian diet 2014 UK study: “our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable
• Tooth health is a great indicator of overall health
• Wide dental arches and face and not needing braces is a sign of good nutrition from pre-conception through the growth phase
• Our ancestors built up their vitamin A stores well ahead of becoming pregnant by eating organ meats, animal fat, butter, egg yolks, etc.
• The heart starts growing before the women even knows she’s pregnant
• Prenatal vitamins aren't bioavailable - you need to get the full nutrition from the food you eat
• The foundation has seen so many examples of healthy, strong, smart, attractive babies born from eating this nutrient dense diet
• Some of his other studies and observations of kids in youth detention facilities and where he gave different groups of low income kids one nutritious meal per day of beef stew and cod liver oil with really good grass fed butter
• When displacing foods of modern civilization came in (sugar, flour, canned foods, vegetable oils) the first thing that happened was rampant tooth decay. The next generation had the narrow jaws and crooked teeth
• People on the traditional diet didn’t get tuberculosis
• He studied the level in vitamins in butter compared to when the cows were on the best grass compared to heart attack rates
• He also presented data showing the level of minerals in the soil and the correlation to PhDs - the areas that people were born and raised with the most fertile soil produced far more doctors
• Her new book is called Nourishing Diets and it looks at what populations around the world really ate throughout history. Of course none of them were vegan or vegetarian - they all highly cherished and regarded animal foods https://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Diets-Ancestral-Traditional-Peoples/dp/1538711680
• Crushes the original Blue Zones book that tried to claim many long living populations were plant based
• He actually lied - there’s studies showing all the people who got more animal foods and animal fat lived longer than people who didn’t
• She has an article about each one of the 5 blue zones refuting the original author:
• http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-okinawa/
• http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-sardinia
• http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-ikaria-greece/
• http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-loma-linda/
• http://nourishingtraditions.com/true-blue-zones-costa-rica/
• The China Study is also oft cited by vegetarian zealots. That was a very poorply done study and actually the authors said it was not to be used to draw conclusions from or show causation… although that’s exactly what vegan propagandist T. Colin Campbell did
• She says grains were actually being cultivated before we thought. BUT all the cultures knew to detoxify them by soaking and fermenting them
• Eating a bunch of whole grains caused a ton of problems in modern society like gluten intolerance, leaky but, SIBO, IBS, and much more. THere’s so many anti-nutrients in grains, humans aren't meant to digest them
• No whole foods are excluded on the Weston A. Price diet. It’s all about the context and preparation of your food
• A little know fact is that brushing your teeth isn't the biggest factor in tooth decay - it’s actually your diet. Obviously these non-westernized cultures throughout history didn't have toothpaste, toothbrushes, and flouride, yet they all had near-perfect teeth
• How the nutrient diet of our ancestors affects jaw development
• Anecdotally, her parents both had perfect teeth (raised on butter and animal fat), her and her 3 siblings all needed braces (raised on vegetable oils), and all her children and grandchildren have great teeth (went back to butter and animal fats)
• Her daughter has a gluten intolerance because she got too many whole grains too early in life. For her later children she waited and they’re all fine
• Why raw milk is considered harmful (even though it is what we should be consuming)
• It’s funny to see all this new enthusiasm for bone broth and fermented foods when Dr .Price and the foundation have known about it all along
• The future is in small artisan producers of these foods - it doesn’t take a lot of capital to start up
• The new generation is already heading this way - they don’t want to work for big corporations
• Technology got us away from our roots but it has the potential to help us get back
• They set up http://rawmilk.com
• Become a member or find out more at http://westonaprice.com

Joel F. Salatin (born February 24, 1957) is an American farmer, lecturer, and author.

He co-owns, with his family, Polyface Farm in Swoope, Virginia.  Featured in the New York Times bestseller Omnivore’s Dilemma and award-winning documentary Food Inc., the farm services more than 5,000 families, 50 restaurants, 10 retail outlets, and a farmers’ market with salad bar beef, pigaerator pork, pastured poultry, and forestry products.  When he’s not on the road speaking, he’s at home on the farm, keeping the calluses on his hands and dirt under his fingernails, mentoring young people, inspiring visitors, and promoting local, regenerative food and farming systems.

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• [6:15] How he started his journey.
• [9:45] The world’s biggest problem is inertia and the need for empowerment.
• [16:15] Joel’s ways to improve your immune health
• [19:45] The issue of living in a very sterile environment
• [29:00] Be a part of the microbial system. 
• [35:25] Soil health and climate change.
• [44:15] 75% of the reason for the wildfires is mismanaged land
• [47:45] Methane and livestock. 
• [59:15] His thoughts on man made beef.
• [1:06:15] Food waste in modern agriculture and food industry. 
• [1:19:15] The importance of integrating our food systems, nation wide.
• [1:25:05] The true cost of running his farm and its ethical practices.

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Ashley and Sarah Armstrong, aka The Strong Sistas, are powerlifters and nutritional coaches who are passionate about bioenergetic nutrition and regenerative agriculture. Suffering from autoimmune disease, the sisters have adopted an animal based lifestyle, utilizing the Carnivore Diet and the Ketogenic Diet, which has transformed their lives. Today, they live on a regenerative farm in Michigan and, in addition to their coaching practice, co-host the Rooted in Resilience Podcast. 

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Show Notes 

• (04:59) Your ability to produce energy, resist disease, and eat a wide variety of foods is developed in the environment you grew up in.

• (12:38) We need to develop food awareness rather than food fear.

• (19:57) Reduce your endotoxin load to mitigate its negative impact on estrogen and serotonin.

• (31:58) There are many misconceptions around PUFAs and saturated fat.

• (40:27) A weight loss program can result in health issues because even a short-term caloric deficit leads to a significant decrease in thyroid hormone conversion from T4 to T3.

• (50:29) Calories-in, calories-out does matter; but, the state of your thyroid impacts your basal metabolic rate.

• (55:50) Ease of digestion should be considered when determining what to prioritize in your diet.

• (1:05:32) Dr. Ray Peat believes that the small intestine should be relatively sterile

• (1:13:09) Putting on muscle is extremely advantageous to women over 30.

Aaaaand we’re back! Thanks for waiting patiently for season 3. We have an all-star lineup of guests and many interviews already in the can ready to be released.

To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share.

A lot of this will be presented in the feature length documentary called Food Lies, but it’s not all about the film. I’m spreading this information to the public anyway I can. I do this podcast, I post daily ideas and information on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and soon to I’ll be doing more videos on youtube. Search for Food Lies on any of these platforms.

Today I’m talking to Ryan Lowery who is a PhD in Health and Human Performance and a researcher studying cellular, molecular and whole body changes in muscle size, strength, and power in response to novel nutrition, training and supplement interventions. He’s also the president of the Applied Science and Performance Institute where he’s bridging the gap between the latest research and science and practical application. He runs ketogenic.com which is a great resource to check out.

He’s the guy that Layne Norton called out in a previous episode. I wanted to get him on to talk about the benefits of being fat adapted and why ketogenic diets are an effective tool in the arsenal. I was actually just hanging out with him at the Metabolic Health Summit. This was an awesome conference put on in part by Dr. Dom D’Agostino who mentioned it last summer in Peak Human episode 6 that I did with him. The top scientists studying ketogenic metabolic therapy were there talking about their latest research and how in conjunction with some other treatments it has been used to shrink brain tumors, prevent epileptic seizures, and even reverse cognitive decline and Alzheimer's. Pretty amazing stuff.

So a quick message about the film - please go to FoodLies.org and support us on Indiegogo as we finish post production. We have to cover the cost of our amazing animators, graphic artists, and editors working away on this. I won’t sell it anymore, just know I make no money on this and have in fact spent every cent of my savings making it so far. I really appreciate your support. Here’s Dr. Ryan Lowery.

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Show Notes

• Phinney and Volek set him off - they hadn’t run experiments on resistance training
• He was a high carb athlete chugging 250 grams of carbs just from weight gainer shakes and skeptical about keto and sports performance
• Endurance athletes can have an advantage by being fat adapted and metabolically flexible to tap into tens of thousands of calories they have in their fat stores
• Online war with Layne Norton
• Benefits of being fat adapted
• Some studies that show when protein and calories are equated there is benefits to running on fat
• In real world applications, so what if keto people eat more protein, we live in the real world
• Is it possible that all these amazing results I and others are getting from eating this way is just due to eating at a deficit?
• Energy balance remains
• Are all calories the same?
• Nutrient density is king
• All calories are certainly not equal - Layne’s own studies show this
• You can eat whey protein and rice and hit your macros and lose weight - doesn’t; mean it’s healthy. There’s studies showing our ancestors ate 10-20 times the vitamins and minerals we eat today
• Problems with “if it fits your macros”
• Benefits of running on fat instead of glucose
• Phospholipids and brain health
• We lose our tolerance to carbs as we grow older
• Dr. Michael Rose is the one doing the fruit fly studies - look him up or listen to him on Robb Wolf’s podcast #416
• You can’t force someone to eat a certain way, but you can help them find what they want to do
• His brother is obese
• Cyclic keto AKA blowing it out on the weekends
• Not back in ketosis until thursday
• I don’t care about ketosis necessarily and just eat nutrient dense foods
• Ketones are muscle sparing - help you retain muscle mass
• If you’re on a long term ketogenic diet your pancreas isn’t secreting much insulin and you aren’t prepared for a bolus of glucose - don’t be super strict then go bananas for a holiday or vacation
• People on low fat diets can’t handle a huge bolus of fat either
• Gut problems when transitioning to high fat or carnivore
• Don’t get caught up in a tribe
• Their animal studies on a keto diet for its entire lifespan
• Visceral fat around the organs is the worst kind of fat
• Thin on the Outside, Fat on the Inside (TOFI) which Layne disregarded and said wasn’t a thing
• Layne Norton called out Prof. Tim Noakes as a liar saying that he never had pre-diabetes
• His message is to make positivity louder
• Find him at http://ketogenic.com
• Twitter http://twitter.com/DrRyanLowery
• Instagram http://instagram.com/ryanplowery

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Dr. C. Leigh Broadhurst is a research geochemist and physical chemist with the Environmental Microbial and Food Safety Laboratory, USDA Agricultural Research Service, and University of Maryland, Baltimore County. She is an expert on polyunsaturated fatty acid physical chemistry and biophysics, and together with colleagues has made dramatic advances in the field of paleonutrition and brain specific-nutrition; most importantly to understand the remarkable essentiality of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA; omega-3). Dr. Broadhurst has also published extensively in the fields of medicinal plants, environmental remediation utilizing plants, and natural diabetes prevention and cure. She has been a consultant, author and educator for the natural products industry for 25 years.

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SHOW NOTES

• [12:10] How different indigenous cultures ended up landing in different continents.
• The Epigenetic Emergence of Culture at the Coastline: Interaction of Genes, Nutrition, Environment and Demography
• [19:00] How people knew they needed nutrition from certain foods.
• [21:20] What he focuses on in his research.
• [29:10] The importance of DHA from animal sources.
• [34:25] Finding large amounts of shells throughout the South Africa coast and what it means for paleoanthropology.
• [44:25] The issue with militant veganism.
• [46:50] Veganism is and should be an adult choice.
• [49:40] Plant foods are still important for our health.
• [1:04:50] There used to be good reason for processed food, but not so much anymore.
• [1:09:10] Aquatic Ape Theory.
• [1:25:10] DHA Aquatic Theory.
• Rift Valley lake fish and shellfish provided brain-specific nutrition for early Homo 
• Brain-specific lipids from marine, lacustrine, or terrestrial food resources: potential impact on early African Homo sapiens 
• [1:30:10] The problem with Paleoanthropology industry.
• [1:33:00] The importance of putting effort into what you consume.
• [1:36:50] More arguments and support for the aquatic ape theory.
• [1:41:10] Physiological arguments for human elements for long term adaptations for an aquatic environment.

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Dan Kittredge has been an organic farmer for more than 30 years and is the founder and executive director of the Bionutrient Food Association (BFA), a non-profit whose mission is to “increase quality in the food supply.” Known as one of the leading proponents of “nutrient density,” Dan works to demonstrate the connections between soil health, plant health, and human health. Out of these efforts was born the Real Food Campaign, now the Bionutrient Institute, which has engineered a prototype of a hand-held consumer spectrometer designed to test nutrient density at point of purchase. Via the Bionutrient Meter, the goal is to empower consumers to choose for nutrient quality and thereby leverage economic incentives to drive full system regeneration. 

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SHOW NOTES

00:00 - Dan's upcoming events 

00:45- Why should we care about nutrient density? 

1:25 - Weston A. Price   

1:50 - Why are some foods more nutrient dense than others? 

4:08 - Dan's background.

7:02 - The Bio nutrient association.

8:00 - Your body is made up of the foods that you are eating.

9:50 - Nutrient density starts in the soil

14:40 - The modern food environment is blunting our natural instincts for nutrients. 

18:40 - Dan's mission to inform the public about nutrient density

33:30 - The sick care system

36:30 - What is spectroscopy?

44:00- Dan's vision for the future 

48:00 - The beef project, and how the plants are affecting the quality of  the meat.

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Hello. We’re back. I’m Brian Sanders and I’m excited to share another great episode with you lovely people. Dr. Ken Berry is the author of the great book “Lies My Doctor Told Me,” he’s a speaker, he’s got an awesome and very popular YouTube channel, and he’s a great doctor who realized he was doing everything wrong and had the humbleness to admit this was so and reverse course. His own health was failing him and the advice he was giving his patients was failing them as well. I love these people who can man up to their mistakes, admit they didn’t have all the answers, and work tirelessly to make up for it. He’s got a bunch of great takeaways to offer so listen up to the good doctor!

Now I’ve got a few updates - we just started an impromptu project - a mini-doc debunking the latest installment of vegan propaganda called the Game Changers. If you haven't heard of this, it’s a “documentary” on Netflix about a few athletes who eat only plants and think everyone in the world should do the same thing. They misrepresent science and purposely deceive a huge population of the world who is not well-versed on food and nutrition and might believe that because a few genetic freaks are doing midly well eating a few salads and James Cameron who has $140 million invested in pea protein which they make the fake impossible burgers out of say that this is how humans should eat that it is actually true. I could go on and on about this, but I won’t because this short film will say it all much better.

We got a great team together on short notice including Shawn Baker, Paul Saladino, Mark Sisson, and Tim Shieff who used to be called the Vegan Prince and was actually in the Game Changers film. That’s until he realized the diet was destroying his life and he moved to embrace animal foods and basically immediately restored his health. We’re filming some comedy reenactments of some of the stupid so-called “experiments” they do in the film tomorrow with some of these guys. We’re going to be releasing this on YouTube for the whole world to see for free on November 27th the night before Thanksgiving. So many people were falling for this propaganda piece we had to make this and get it out quick - just in time to show your family members who may be refusing that turkey because they saw this unscientific joke.

This is not going to delay the Food Lies film which is still my main focus. You can learn more about that if you haven't heard of it yet at http://FoodLies.org I have a different team working on that and it’s moving full steam ahead, so don’t worry!

http://NoseToTail.org is also going strong. We deliver sustainably raised grass fed, grass finished meat to your door. It’s similar to other meat delivery services but we use the entire animal and it's from our family owned ranch in Texas. Get the bones, marrow, fat, organs, and everything else at http://NoseToTail.org I’m liking the beef bacon these days. It’s kinda like your best guy friend and best girl friend getting married. It’s a beautiful thing.

That’s about it for now. So much going on daily here at SAPIEN it’s hard for me to not go on about it - you can learn more at http://SAPIEN.org  So now I’ll let ya’ll hear from my man Dr. Ken Berry.

SHOW NOTES

• Dr. Ken Berry is a medical doctor, author of the book “Lies My Doctor Told Me”, and has a pretty amazing YouTube channel 

• He triggered some people with his tweet: “Don’t take advice from a fat doctor” 
• 15 years ago when he started his practice he was obese, inflamed, diabetic, etc.
• In changing his nutrition he reversed all his health issues and made it his mission to help others do the same 
• [around 4:54] People are so obsessed with losing weight, but they’re spending so much of their discipline on the meaningless practices
• You can lose a significant amount of weight without exercising 
• 90% of the battle is what you eat, 90% of that 90% is to cut carbohydrates 
• You don’t need to be able to afford fancy gym memberships and grass-fed beef 
• Eat less move more is useless advice 
• Doctors believe patients are noncompliant instead of thinking their advice is wrong 
• If you don’t look like you should be giving nutrition advice then you should be doing something about it 
• [17:29-18:11] If you remember biochemistry, physiology, and anatomy from med school, a ketogenic diet makes sense but is completely counter to the nutrition you learn about in med school
• Eat Lancet is not concerned with you entering old age with muscle mass and good health, they are interested in feeding the world as cheaply as they can
• Egyptian mummies had terrible atherosclerosis, bad teeth, and the majority of their diet was a grain-based plant based
• The DASH diet is not backed by science and risks elevated glucose, insulin, and cortisol
• There is plenty of positive research supporting low carb and ketogenic diets 
• There is a lot of negative evidence for grains and low-fat diets
• Ken’s “Proper Human Diet”
• The proper human diet is a spectrum, some people do well on vegetarian some people do well on carnivore
• He used to think a vegetable heavy keto diet was the best diet, but has changed his perspective of this and essentially follows a carnivore diet now
• When you can sit in front of food and not have the desire to eat is when you have control over your hunger
• The first step with patients is eliminating processed grains, refined sugars, and industrial seed oils, if you are hungry eat fatty meat, eat some veg, eat some eggs, just eat real food
• Just removing these three slow poisons, will make a huge difference 
• Carbohydrate addiction appears to be a real thing, when you withdraw from carbs you will get symptoms and it will suck from 3-10 days but once you get past that, you will realize how sustainable this way of life is 
• In the same way you can eat the standard American diet and not develop any obvious nutrient deficiencies for decades, you probably can on a muscle-meat only carnivore diet too
• You will develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies quicker on a vegan diet than on a carnivore diet 
• When you use a carnivore tool, and start adding back foods, they are given answers to what makes them feel good 
• Even cheap meat is better than eating grains and processed foods 
• Myth that meat causes gout 
• Ken predicts that in 5-7 years, Layne Norton will recommend a ketogenic diet 
• The HDL to triglyceride ratio is best improved on a low carbohydrate ketogenic diet 
• Ken has admitted where he went wrong in the past, prescribing statins, etc. 
• Eating this way helps with acne
• Where to find Ken berry: 
• https://www.kendberrymd.com/
• https://www.youtube.com/kendberrymd
• https://twitter.com/kendberrymd
• https://www.instagram.com/kendberry.md/

Today I had the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Zoe Harcombe has a PhD in public health nutrition, she speaks at conferences around the world, she’s wrote many books, and she’s a true gem. She currently lives in rural England and apparently has a great mic and internet connection because she sounded like she was in studio with me. She’s an expert on dietary guidelines (and how unscientific our current ones are), nutrition and obesity.

She’s a prolific writer and has an amazingly informative site that I use frequently and I suggest people check out to learn about this stuff - it’s http://zoeharcombe.com - So let’s hear what she has to say!

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Show Notes

• She used to be vegetarian, but has reformed!
• Vegetarian bias is rampant
• Saturated fat is in everything - how is it bad?
• Our nutrition guidelines are BS
• Why 5 a day isn't based on anything
• High nutrition of meat, fish, eggs, dairy and low nutrition of fruit and some veg
• How you can eat a nutrient complete diet for $5.53/day
• How cancer is not caused by whole foods like red meat that we’ve been eating for millions of years
• Big fellas at weddings crushing rice at every meal
• There’s more myths out there we’ve all just come to believe including bad cholesterol, drinking tons of water, eating tons of fiber
• The Vegetarian Myth (Lierre Keith - great book http://LierreKeith.com ) all their arguments break down
• Cows and other ruminants are imperative to a healthy planet and food security
• Vegan/vegetarian food is raping our planet
• Allan Savory’s TED talk https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change
• Grass-Fed Nation by Graham Harvey https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28256297-grass-fed-nation
• No such thing as a heart-healthy grain. But eat what’s in front of you and don’t be a dick.
• Dr. Perlmutter Grain Brain - read this too, it’s great
• Basically universally feel better when people come off of refined grains, sugar, and vegetable oils
• Thermodynamics, fat, and the human body
• Why calories in doesn't equal calories out
• Gaining weight while skiing 8 hours a day and eating pasta and me gaining weight while hiking 8 hours a day and eating a bit of rice.
• Too much exercise hurts weight loss a lot of the time
• Are things getting better in regards to this info spreading?
• Nina Teicholz https://twitter.com/BigFatSurprise
• Sam Feltham https://twitter.com/SamFeltham
• Aseem Malhotra https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra
• David Unwin https://twitter.com/lowcarbGP 
• Campbell Murdoch https://twitter.com/CampbellMurdoch

Hi there, everyone! This is your host Brian Sanders founder of http://Sapien.org, http://NoseToTail.org, and creator of the upcoming Food Lies film! We’re back with a little break from the episodes with Mary on our trip to Africa for an awesome episode on skin health. This is an important topic to many people and should not be missed by anyone. The skin is the largest organ in the body and needs to be cared for like any other organ. Luckily it’s a lot easier to care for because it’s hanging out on the outside. But this makes it hard to take care of because - you guessed it, it’s on the outside.

Luckily, like almost everything I cover here on this podcast, you can heal your skin with a good diet. It’s pretty amazing how important your diet is to every system and part of your body. We also talk about some other techniques like cleansing and washing and skin care products. Spoiler alert, the skin care products are made from beef tallow and I have them available on http://NoseToTail.org You can also make your own beef tallow skin care products if you have the time and interest.

I had a great time talking to Rob Stuart and he’s a real pro at helping people clear up issues such as Eczema, Psoriasis, Dermatitis and More. He’s got a big youtube channel where he makes a ton of helpful videos on the topic and also works with people directly. 

Before we get to the episode I’ll just mention a few other things we make at http://NoseToTail.org You can make a box of items and get free shipping anywhere in the 48 contiguous states if you hit the minimums. Other than the skin food and soap products we have the biltong - which is soft, air-dried grass fed meat with no curing agents like nitrates or sugar. The droewors is the stick version of this which some people like even better. So far the peri peri flavor is a crowd favorite.

We also have the seasonings which are very unique. Other than them not having sugar, fillers, or anything else other than fresh herbs and spices, I have neglected to mention possibly the biggest secret to why they’re so good! They are all freshly ground. This is not the case with any other mass produced seasoning available in stores. I teamed up with some great guys that make this themselves and get the ingredients in their whole form and grind it fresh for each batch we make for Nose To Tail. This makes a huge difference in the taste. 

Of course we have our staples - the primal ground beef with liver, heart, kidney, and spleen mixed in as well as the low Omega 6 chicken and pork. We feed these animals a special diet so they have an unparalleled omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. Make a box now at http://NoseToTail.org 

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SHOW NOTES

• [4:35] His backstory with skin issues.
• [8:25] How going from Vegan to adding in animal foods changed his health.
• [15:35] Trigger foods for skin problems.
• [20:35] Best foods for your skin.
• [25:35] His opinion on dairy.
• [30:05] His lean gains from going from vegan to eating animal foods.
• [34:35] How to improve your lifestyle factors.
• [39:35] Importance of sleep and sunlight. 
• [45:05] The importance of having a healthy gut microbiome. 
• [54:35] How to clean and moisturize your skin properly.
  

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Dr. Georgia Ede is a psychiatrist, researcher, and an advocate of nutrition and diet as an alternative approach to standard medications. She’s also a speaker and writer and although has spent much time working and taking courses at Harvard, she has not fallen into their plant based diet dogma. She, in fact, researchers plants and some of their negative effects in a human diet. It really seems counterintuitive to most, but there is hard science out there about this. People are curing diseases and their depression and anxiety by cutting out certain plant foods.

She’s also an expert on Alzheimer’s and how what we eat affects the onset of this scary disease which we get into a little. We also do some more debunking of studies including the new low carb and longevity study as well as that old WHO study trying to claim red meat causes cancer.

Please listen carefully to this important and eye-opening episode. I really enjoyed my discussion with her and she provides a lot of great information.

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Show notes

• Georgia had 2-3 hours of nutritional education over 4 years of medical school and didn’t receive any nutritional education while studying to be a psychiatrist for 4 years
• Nutritional epidemiology dominates most of the nutritional studies in the world
• Plant foods contain antinutrients and lack key brain nutrients, Dha, B-12  
• Refined carbs are mood destabilizers
• It is possible that chemicals that plants use to protect themselves can exacerbate mental health conditions by entering the bloodstream  
• Plant seeds are the most heavily defended part of plants, have lectins and phytic acid which makes it hard for us to digest them
• Georgia has recommended an animal based diet as an all natural approach to treating depression
• Spinach contains iron that we can’t absorb
• Sugar rushes to the brain which makes it hard for insulin to cross the brain, this is a contributor to alzheimer's
• phytic acid is considered an anti nutrient, however it also fights cancer and prevents iron overloads in people
• Vitamins D, E, A, and K are all fat-soluble
• Two types of fiber, soluble and insoluble  
• Her article in Psychology Today about the The Antioxidant Myth https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201712/the-antioxidant-myth
• Pom Wonderful does more harm than good with a huge load of sugar and a few antioxidants that aren't even bioavailable
• Sulforaphane, curcumin, oxidation, and free radicals
• Alzheimer’s and type 3 diabetes - it’s all about the insulin!
• Harvard School of Public Health has a goal to try to find a way to show meat is bad and promote grains as much as possible
• Epidemiology is the only area of science that has any indication that red meat is bad for you
• The one study the WHO put out on red meat being bad is based on very poor quality studies and only 2 are clinical trials in humans that don’t really show anything
• Debunking the new low carb decreases lifespan study
• Low carb group wasn't even low carb. There’s also way too many variables to make any conclusions
• THe whole hypothesis that meat would be cancerous is ludicrous in the first place
• Dr. Walter Willet defends nutritional epidemiology
• Harvard School of Public Health’s agenda
• If you eat all plant based diet you’re a healthy hero, if you eat all animal based diet you’re a deranged madman. They’re both extreme and both sides think they are completely correct and all the world’s problems would be solved if everyone went on their diet.
• http://DiagnosisDiet.com
• Twitter @GeorgiaEdeMD

Alright we have a special episode today. We’re lucky to hear all about Miki’s new paper looking at the complete story of our dietary past and humans being high-trophic level carnivores. He gave me a sneak peak at this awesome 40 page paper he’s submitting for review.

Miki Ben-Dor got an undergraduate and masters degree in economics and then went back to school later in life to study paleoanthropology. He’s now Post doctoral fellow at the department of archeology of Tel Aviv University. 

You can find some great presentations on youtube and his paper “Man the Fat Hunter” published in 2011.

Love the work he’s done - he’s hit it from all angles and it all lines up. We ate meat for all of human history. Ok here’s a bit of business to take care of - Let’s see how concise we can make this. Get your own grass finished meat at Nose to tail.org. Support the show on Patreon at patreon.com / peak human. Preorder the film at FoodLies.org. Watch highlights from the film on the Food Lies youtube. Get daily content on the Food Lies instagram, twitter, and facebook. SIgn up for the newsletter on Sapien.org. Get on the waiting list if your a health coach, doctor, or other healthcare practitioner at sapien.org. I think there’s too many things at this point. Maybe just pick 1 of these and go for it.

I really appreciate it. At this point we’re a community powered company. We’re scrambling around here at SAPIEN trying to make this all happen without outside money or influence. Really love this tribe. We can’t go back to the glory days thrusting spears at wooly mammoth and gorging on fatty meat, but we can still try to bring the community together and spread the word and focus on our own health and people around us. Now let’s hear from Miki Ben-Dor

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SHOW NOTES

• Miki completed his undergrad and masters in economics and switched later in life into paleo anthropology
• His research is largely focused on the reconstruction of the human diet and the relationship between plant vs animal foods and the proportion of each as far back as 2 million years ago
• If we want to understand human evolution we have to go much further back than just modern hunter gatherers 
• Gut morphology similar to carnivores
• When we compare humans to chimpanzees, Miki has calculated that to be 77% smaller colon and about 60% longer small intestine which is exactly the direction of carnivores 
• The size of our stomachs is another cue
• Gut pH is very convincing too since herbivores have a more basic stomach pH whereas omnivores have more acidic and carnivores have very acidic stomachs and scavengers have the most acidic, humans are most similar to scavengers 
• The size and number of human adipocytes is closely related to carnivores vs herbivores
• One of the main differences between their diets and today’s diets is bone marrow, Miki believes our ancestors ate a lot of bone marrow and had the ability to break bones which appeared broken to get the marrow 
• Liver is also the first thing that humans would go for when they killed their prey 
• The evolution of the Savannah vs forest and how this changed the diet 
• It’s easier to hunt larger animals than smaller animals 
• Humans ate plants for all of history, there is no question that we ate them, the only question is how much 
• Hypercarnivore is defined as a carnivore that eats 70-80% of energy from animals and the rest from plants 
• If you want to be safe, eat 80% from fat and meat 
• Using the Hadza to reconstruct the human diet is completely inaccurate 
• You also can’t use modern hunter gatherers to see what our ancestors ate 
• Everytime we find plant matter in human remains, everyone celebrates but it doesn’t tell us anything about how much they ate 
• Isotopic discoveries are more reliable than archeology and definitely shows that we are mostly carnivorous
• Humans do not want to spend energy gathering plants when they can spend that energy hunting animals
• Humans have higher fat reserves than other animals which allowed us to get through periods of starvation and we can afford to because we don’t chase or escape we don’t need to be fast
• All large carnivores eat large animals and are hypercarnivores 
• Miki thinks we spread across the globe because we can hunt animals of any size, with plants you have to use trial and error and adjust to them 
• Wherever humans went, these large animals decreased and that humans could have been the reason for the decrease in megafauna
• Domesticating plant foods and animals was about 10,000 years ago 
• As we approach agriculture revolution we started eating more plant foods but our stature also decreased and our brain size decreased 
• Fat was prized for all of history and plants are fallback foods
• He tried to find evidence for plants in the human diet and couldn’t, all his evidence showed was that humans were carnivores 
• Papers showing mixed diets are misleading and these scientists are not reporting proper evidence  
• http://paleostyle.com
• http://twitter.com/bendormiki

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Mark Sisson is a renowned health and fitness expert, author, and entrepreneur, celebrated for pioneering the primal lifestyle movements. Once a competitive endurance athlete who achieved a top-five finish in the Ironman World Championship, he is now a successful businessman who founded Primal Kitchen, a purveyor of paleo-friendly foods and supplements, bought by Kraft Heinz in 2018. In addition to his business ventures, he's a bestselling author, with works like "The Primal Blueprint" that promote ancestral eating and exercise habits for health optimization. Recently, Sisson embarked on a new entrepreneurial journey with his son, Kyle, to create Peluva, a better-for-your-body shoe company. He still produces content on his legendary blog, "Mark's Daily Apple," and is absolutely ripped and supremely healthy despite turning 70 next month.

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Dr. Al Danenberg or “Dr. Al” as he’s known by his friends, patients and community, consults with patients all over the world (virtually via Zoom or Skype) regarding animal-based nutrition, lifestyle, oral & overall health, and the importance of a healthy gut and immune system.

After a terminal cancer diagnosis, Dr. Al developed a plan that evolved into his Unconventional Cancer Protocols, combing in-depth research of ancestral nutrition & lifestyle changes with his knowledge from 44 years of as a periodontist. Now, he focuses on helping others like you regain control of their health. 

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SHOW NOTES:

• [6:45] His background
• [12:50] An MRI revealed that he had terminal cancer
• [17:50] Why he went into a hospice ready to die.
• [20:10] How he landed on the carnivore diet
• [24:00] The paleolithic ketogenic diet
• [27:35] Male Dentists & Multiple Myeloma
• [30:50] The FDA’s stance on mercury dental fillings
• [33:50] Toxins and our metabolism
• [37:50] Metabolic flexibility & the immune system
• [38:50] Our diet includes the water we drink
• [41:35] What kind of water does Dr. Al drink?
• [45:20] Is SOLE water better than filtered water?
• [50:40] All disease starts in the gut.
• [54:20] What causes gum disease and tooth decay?
• [58:50] Why spore-based probiotics are ancestral.
• [1:00:50] Dental health starts in the gut
• [1:03:50] How dental plaque protects our teeth
• [1:08:50] Gut problems manifest in the mouth
• [1:10:40] Ancestral diets for dental health
• [1:13:35] Stress can lead to dental problems
• [1:15:50] How to clean your mouth properly
• [1:19:25] Manuka honey works as toothpaste
• [1:21:50] How to get rid of bacteria on the tongue
• [1:25:00] How to solve bad breath.
• [1:26:00] Why we should be in ketosis sometimes
• [1:31:40] Why metabolic flexibility is important right now

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Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt is a Swedish medical doctor specialized in family medicine and the founder and CEO of Diet Doctor, a fast-growing health company. He graduated from medical school at Uppsala University in 2000 and spent twelve years working as a doctor, treating patients with low-carb, high-fat diets. In 2015, he quit to focus on Diet Doctor, which is completely free from ads, product sales, or industry sponsorship and is instead funded by an optional membership. Dr. Eenfeldt is also on the board of The Dietary Science Foundation, a non-profit dedicated to improving scientific knowledge and helping people live healthier lives.

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Key Takeaways (simple version)

• (04:12) Satiety is not just about energy balance or calories-in, calories-out, but offers a flexible approach to nutrition that can be tailored to the individual.

• (09:12) Carbs aren’t the problem as much as the type of carbs you eat, and how many calories you consume in a day.

• (18:40) Prioritizing satiety, particularly through the consumption of high-quality protein, ensures we don’t overeat.

• (24:58) The satiety approach is flawed… but its flaws are few compared to virtually all the mainstream diets out there.

• (46:53) Satiety can be thought of as an antifragile approach, in that criticism of the concept or evidence that appears to suggest the contrary only end up making the concept more robust.

• (55:52) People tend to eat more when their energy density is high.

• (58:21) You don’t need fiber on a low-carb diet, but one thing it does help with is satiety.

• (1:11:01) A healthy microbiome doesn’t necessarily lead to increased metabolic health, nor is it a solution to obesity.

• (1:14:26) Dr. Eenfeldt gives his thoughts on the recent debate between Dr. Nick Norwitz and Dr. Ted Naman on the satiety approach.

Jay Feldman is a health coach, independent health researcher, and host of the Energy Balance podcast. He has degrees in neuroscience and exercise physiology and is devoted to using his knowledge and experience to help people heal from all manner of disease, dysfunction, and difficulty losing excess body fat. To work with Jay you can find him at http://jayfeldmanwellness.com

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SHOW NOTES:

• [1:02] - Jay’s background and beginnings in nutrition, exercise and health
• [6:30] - The basis of disease and energy metabolism
• [9:30] - Insulin resistance, glucose and Jay’s stance on low-carb diets
• [16:30] - Fructose and fatty liver disease 
• [21:05] - Types of carbohydrates, fruit juice and a discussion on glucose spikes 
• [31:20] - Why Jay recommends eating every 3-5 hours
• [43:35] - General advice for the general population and carbohydrate addictions
• [52:48] - Overeating, hunger signals why very fat people cannot access their stored energy
• [53:35] - Gut health and common issues that occur
• [1:02:00] - Jay’s thoughts on paleo and other ancestral diets 
• [1:08:40] - Fat or carbs for fuel? Which is better
• [1:14:45] - Stress: the good and bad types
• [1:19:01] - “Why do I need to eat breakfast?”
• [1:24:56] - Are PUFAs the worst part of the Standard American Diet?
• [1:31:00] - Is the Bio-Energetic way of eating ancestrally appropriate?

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Welcome back ladies and gentlemen, boy and girls. Season 5 is here. I took a short break to collect some more interviews and put out a few episodes of the new SAPIEN podcast. You can check that out on youtube or any podcast app. It’s a more casual and conversational show we shoot on video and audio with Dr. Gary in our medical clinic Evolve Healthcare in Los Angeles. We’ve started to take on more patients to our weight loss, chronic disease management, and  SAPIEN lifestyle programs. You can find out more at http://Sapien.org/programs

We offer one off consultations, physician supervised weight loss through insurance, and the 3 month Sapien program with one-on-one diet and lifestyle coaching. This is offered in the clinic in Los Angeles or remotely. Again that’s http://Sapien.org/programs

This episode is jam packed with information so get ready to take some notes. Dr. Ben Bikman is a legend. He is a professor of pathophysiology and a biomedical scientist whose research focuses on the molecular mediators of obesity and its co-morbidities. Employing cell-autonomous to whole-body systems, his lab’s main efforts explore the intimate associations between the metabolic and immune systems.

He also is a world class presenter and has some fantastic lectures on youtube. I highly recommend watching them and links will be included in the show notes. Dr. Bikman is really one of the foremost minds on human metabolism in the world. I’m honored to be able to speak with him and share this episode.

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So let’s get to this episode with Dr. Ben Bikman - we talk about brown fat vs. white fat, how this relates to the calorie in calorie out model of obesity, insulin, glucagon, and why protein doesn’t cause problems in a low glucose context, longevity, mTOR, body composition and gaining muscle, to name a few - he covers so many interesting and valuable things, I don’t want to hold it up any longer. Enjoy the show!

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SHOW NOTES

• Ben Bikman is a professor of pathophysiology and biomedical science at BYU in the physiology and developmental biology department and the class he teaches is pathophysiology
• His undergrad and MS was exercise physiology and he loved learning how the body adapts to exercise 
• He got into his current research interests by stumbling upon research on adipose tissue as an endocrine tissue that secretes anti-inflammatory and pro-inflammatory hormones
• Insulin resistance is at the root of many diseases
• Type-2 diabetes is at its core a disease of insulin resistance where there is too much insulin, the pancreas is working so hard to produce insulin but the body is not responding to it as well as it was before 
• Teaching pathophysiology exposed him to the link between insulin resistance to almost all chronic diseases and the more he covered more diseased states insulin resistance was always relevant
• Clinicians typically look at fixing individual problems with separate medications when we could just target the underlying issue
• Insulin resistance is a disease of too much insulin and part of the insulin resistance is caused by too much insulin it’s a vicious cycle 
• Too much of a stimulus, system will reduce sensitivity to this stimulus 
• If insulin resistance is relevant to every chronic disease you have to resolve the insulin resistance if one of the main causes of insulin resistance is hyperinsulinemia then the best way to reverse course is to reduce the insulin and low-carb is the easiest strategy 
• His concerns about vegan diets 
• What he tries to focus on is the common grounds, keto or low-carb, vegan, whatever diet you choose the thing in common needs to be avoiding processed foods, at the end of the day, the goal is to lower insulin 
• If a person is in ketosis, then you know their insulin is low, it’s a nice metric to know you are controlling insulin because you can’t make ketones if insulin high 
• Of the three macronutrients, carbohydrates have the greatest insulin spike and carbohydrates are the only non-essential macronutrient 
• Anyone attempting to control insulin should consider the insulin to glucagon ratio which
• Glucagon is one of the hormones that act in opposition to insulin, released in the alpha-cells of the pancreas
• One of insulin’s main actions is to lower blood glucose, if it is elevated to get glucose into our cells which is required to live
• Glucagon’s main job is to elevate blood glucose 
• In a fasted state you will have a low insulin to glucagon ratio, because glucagon triggers the mobilization of energy from stored energy
• [around 20:20] When we are eating a low-carb high-fat diet, this insulin to glucagon ratio will remain similar to that of fasting so that we can mobilize energy not store it
• On a low carb diet high fat diet, we are eating but we are mimicking the state of fasting
• Eating carbohydrates frequently throughout the day almost guarantees insulin will be elevated all day long 
• In a fasted state the insulin to glucagon ratio will be around 1, on a standard american diet that will go up to around 10 and a low carb high fat will go up to maybe 2-3
• A lot of people are scared to eat protein on a ketogenic diet and instead people eat a lot of pure but this is not found in nature
• Context matters, glucose interferes with the insulin response to protein 
• [around 29:45] You can not afford to spike insulin from protein in a low carb state because you will shut down glucogeonesis which makes glucose in the fasted state and you will go hypoglycemic 
• Protein on a high carb diet amplifies the insulin response to glucose 
• The main substrate for gluconeogensis is lactate not amino acids 
• Gluconeogenesis is demand driven 
• Ketones spare muscle break down by providing an alternative fuel source 
• Transitioning into ketosis you go through a brief phase of using amino acids from muscle for glucose but you transition out of that once you get into ketosis 
• The difference between fasting and starvation is breaking down muscle as last resort 
• The glycemic load of the carbohydrate in the diet matters for the insulin response 
• Dangers of low-protein “longevity diets” 
• We know in experimental models one of the keys to longevity is to lower insulin 
• Promoting a high carb diet for longevity isn’t logical because carbohydrates have the biggest insulin response 
• [around 40:20] Insulin increases mTOR much greater than amino acids do so the argument to lower protein to lower mTOR for longevity by replacing protein with carbohydrates is not achieving this
• Soy is a complete protein however a normal response to exercise in both females and males is to transiently increase androgens (e.g. testosterone) and animal proteins don’t change this response but when a man takes soy, it abolishes this androgen spike from exercise (studies haven’t been done in women) 
• Pea protein is about half as absorbable to animal proteins 
• You do not need carbohydrates for the insulin spike to build muscle 
• The difference between lean gains vs bulking and cutting 
• In order to make ketones you need fat to enter mitochondria via carnitine
• Carnitine is the essential transporter for fatty acids 
• If you are focusing on protein, fat, and carnitine in order to maintain a good insulin to glucagon ratio, there is nothing better than a piece of red meat
• Insulin slows metabolic rate and ketones accelerate metabolic rate 
• Brown fat is enriched in mitochondria and is enriched with mitochondria in contrast to white fat and these mitochondria behave differently 
• Mitochondrial metabolism is “uncoupled” in brown fat and “coupled” in white fat
• Ketosis helps “waste” energy so to speak 
• Ketones help turn white fat cells to brown fat cells 
• Insulin turns off mitochondrial uncoupling
• Hormones dictate what the body does with food consumed to mobilize or store 
• Ideas behind personal fat threshold and carbohydrate-insulin theory of obesity 
• Inflammation and fat create a perfect storm for creating insulin resistance throughout the body 
• The personal fat threshold explains why slim people can be insulin resistant and overweight individuals can be metabolically healthy 
• Fat storage can differ among different ethnicities 
• You can eat a high carb diet and not gain weight and lose weight if you are eating whole food carb sources 
• Lab grown meats are not natural and require a ridiculous amount of antibiotics to grow in the lab
• His lab website https://bikmanlab.byu.edu
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/BenBikmanPhD

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Sally Norton has a degree in nutrition from Cornell University and a Masters of Public Health from the UNiversity of North Carolina. She managed a five-year, National Institute of Health-funded program at the UNC Medical School. She’s a nutrition consultant, speaker, and an all around oxalate expert.

This is a sad story with a happy ending. Sally’s life goal from age 5 was to study nutrition and help people be healthy. She followed all the traditional advice and ate a very plant-heavy vegetarian and even vegan diet only to have 30 years of health problems because of that diet.

At first all this oxalate stuff is hard to believe. It’s talked about so little and there’s not a lot of mainstream knowledge on it in the medical community. We talk some real science a little ways into the episode, so know it’s coming. Also for people who may be skeptical of how bad oxalates are you can go to the vegan site veganhealth.org/oxalate and see the comprehensive mile-long list of problems and warnings about oxalates. Yes, a vegan site warning about plant food dangers. This is not some wacky carnivore idea people.

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SHOW NOTES

• Sally had a lifelong quest to be in the nutrition and wellness space
• Despite eating plant-based diets all her life and focusing on what she thought was good nutrition, she had major health problems
• Some books convinced her to vegan and soon she could barely walk up and down stairs and got pneumonia multiple times per year
• She finally figured out it was the build up of oxalated from all the plants foods she was eating
• She published a great paper “Lost Seasonality and Overconsumption of Plants: Risking Oxalate Toxicity” https://jevohealth.com/journal/vol2/iss3/4/
• How come she has all this training and she didn't know a thing about oxalates?
• We actually knew about oxalates in the 1700s and 1800s
• Populations like the Irish drank a lot of tea, ate a lot of potatoes, had greens in season, and rhubarb in the spring - all of these have high oxalate
• Spinach and whole grains have a lot of oxalate
• They did tests on rats to see calcium absorption of and we saw that spinach wasn't delivering calcium - same for iron and folate
• The nutrients also degrade quickly unless the spinach is kept very cold the entire time after harvest (which is basically impossible)
• All USDA data on nutrition in plant foods are wrong and don’t account for bioavailability
• Nutrients drop significantly in spinach after harvest, especially when not refrigerated to a very cold 4 degrees celsius
• More and more people are heading towards mostly animal foods as they learn about bioavailability and antinutrients and listen to their body
• The carnivore movement has been great to just let people know it’s ok to eat only animal foods
• World War 1 is when we started relying on fallback plant foods she thinks. We invented the idea of the victory garden
• I was out with a girl from Peru who was laughing at Americans for eating green vegetables - the mainly eat meat, fish, and starches.
• She talks about why we even think vegetables are so great in the first place
• Our natural state is now a diseased state
• Biggest current problems are toxicity and deficiency
• High oxalate foods: nuts, seeds, brassica veg, potatoes, some berries
• If doctors don’t have a remedy for it, you don’t have a disease
• Calcium is being blamed for what oxalates are doing
• Science behind oxalates
• Range of oxalate poisoning that could kill you is 3.5 grams - 30 grams
• A guy died of oxalate poisoning from sorrel soup
• Cases of people with permanent kidney damage from juice/smoothie cleanses
• Kidney disease is on the rise faster than anything in the last few decades
• There’s so many other toxins your kidney needs to deal with these days besides the oxalate
• She’s read about 3,000 studies and articles on oxalate over the last 4.5 years of research
• Oxalates travel all over the body before going through your kidney to be detoxified
• Even vegan sites warn about the enormous problem of oxalates https://veganhealth.org/oxalate/
• Whole system is skewed supporting plants foods
• Researchers aren't doctors don’t have time or aren't curious enough or can't get funding to do all this research
• She’s had major foot problems most of her life due to oxalates and it kind of ruined her career
• Susan Owens has great data on oxalate accumulation http://lowoxalate.info
• Clive Solomons and the Pain Project http://www.thevpfoundation.org/effective_treatment.htm
• Comprehensive oxalate charts http://lowoxalate.info/recipes.html
• USDA food charts don’t account for bioavailability and 10-15% of the data is just wrong
• A lot of oxalate problems are determined by how much is getting through the intestinal tract and how compromised it is / what problems you have like IBS, etc.
• If you're constantly getting low doses of oxalate your immune system is constantly cleaning it up so you won’t really see any major problems… but that’s not good at all
• We need to eat seasonally for a real reason - to give our body a break from different foods that may be giving us problems if eaten in excess
• Herbivores evolved differently to be able to handle oxalates
• Even these can die if they are stuck somewhere where they only have access to high oxalate food
• She’s working on some proposals and a book
• Her site is http://sallyknorton.com
• Her Instagram is http://instagram.com/sknorton

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Brian once again sits down with Miki Ben-Dor, a paleoanthropologist affiliated with Tel Aviv University. He specializes in the association between nutrition and evolution in humans, with a particular focus on reconstructing the Paleolithic diet. He conducted the study titled The evolution of the human trophic level during the Pleistocene (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.24247) and is the author of the 2023 book Live Paleo Style which can be purchased on Amazon.

SHOW NOTES

• (06:47) The top two principles that the hunter-gatherers of the past lived by was autonomy and equality.

• (15:44) What most people call the “paleo diet”, Miki simply calls our “natural diet”.

• (31:24) Sharing is common in all nomadic hunter-gatherer societies.

• (46:14) Those who continue to push the high-fiber, low-meat lifestyle are doing so disingenuously.

• (1:15:40) Brian and Miki recap just a few pieces of evidence that humans evolved to be high-trophic-level carnivores that do best when they primarily consume meat and fat

• (1:30:00) Meaning is found in helping others.

Hello everyone! I’m Brian Sanders and welcome back to the Peak Human podcast. Don’t forget to start back at episode 1. This is that kind of podcast. It’s not something I do each week with random people to create content so I can advertise people’s products. It’s a health journey I’ve been on for years where I talk to the best and brightest from around the world. The only products or services I talk about to support the show are my own that I have created with the best people I can find to provide great value to you and your friends & family as well as my own. Those are at http://NoseToTail.org

But onto my guest today. This may be a hard one for some people to handle who are triggered easily by differing opinions. I talk with Keith today about adding carbs back into your diet. Many people have found so much success removing them from their diet, this may sound counterintuitive. However, some people may be having problems after going too low carb for too long. If you’re not one of these people, then feel free to skip this episode. But if you have cold hands or feet, low body temperature (which I had and didn’t really know), wake up in the night, are a female who has lost their period, don’t sleep well, or have some other problems, you may have low thyroid problems. One way people have cleared up some of these issues is eating more whole food carbs, honey, fruit, sweet potatoes, etc. 

He is in a different dietary camp that does agree that PUFAs and seed oils are the enemy, saturated fat is fine, and eating nose to tail including things like liver and oysters is great. BUt they also believe carbs are good for the thyroid and do question fasting and extended keto diets. 

Really don’t want to be dogmatic about diets so I wanted to have Keith on to talk about this strategy. I’ve seen it work for some people in the carnivore world that went a bit overboard, for example. I have been raising my body temperature and presumably my thyroid function by eating more carbs at night after my brief, intense workout. 

Keith Littlewood has been involved in the health, fitness and wellbeing industry for over 20 years and after working for a variety of organisations delivering training and rehabilitation strategies around the world. He is passionate about delivering services that resolve pain, energy, digestion, sleep, mood and other hormone related issues to get people functioning at their best. 

He has a masters of science degree in endocrinology with distinction, researching the accuracy of thyroid stimulating hormone in the face of mounting pollution, stress and nutrition factors and is currently getting his PhD.

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SHOW NOTES

• [5:50] His background and emphasis on the thyroid function.
• [9:55] Criticisms of functional medicine.
• [12:50] Thyroid protocols and tests. 
• [19:20] How temperature can indicate healthy thyroid function or not.
• [29:00] His thoughts on sugar consumption.
• [42:20] How environmental pollution can affect the thyroid.  
• [45:10] How to protect yourself from environmental pollutants. 
• [49:10] How calorie restriction and keto diets can affect the function of the thyroid. 
• [59:30] Glucose monitors and spikes/dips in blood sugar levels.
• [1:01:50] Possibility of omega-3s causing damage to the brain?
• [1:11:00] Heart rate and thyroid function.
• [1:17:40] Vitamin A and thyroid function. 
• [1:20:15] Carrots, cruciferous vegetables, dairy, and caffeine.
• [1:23:50] Do you need to have a fast metabolism?
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Stan Efferding is an IFBB Professional bodybuilder and World Record Holding Powerlifter. He is one of only 10 men in the world to ever total over 2,300 pounds raw in competition. Stan holds the title as the Worlds Strongest Bodybuilder. 

Stan studied Exercise Science at the University of Oregon and has been training high school, Collegiate, and Professional athletes for over 25 years. Stan conducts seminars all over the country for various sports and nutrition and training techniques. He has appeared in many magazines and writes for Muscular Development, Flex Magazine and Power Magazine. Stan is also a successful Entrepreneur having built three different start-up businesses into multi-million dollar companies.

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SHOW NOTES:

• [5:10] The best diet is the one you can stick to.
• [7:50] Stan’s dietary strategies.
• [10:35] Vertical Diet criticisms.
• [16:10] Less inflammatory foods.
• [19:10] What is the vertical diet?
• [23:55] Why Stan chooses steak over chicken.
• [26:10] The importance of seafood.
• [28:50] Why Stan likes starchy carbohydrates and potassium.
• [33:10] Satiety and weight management.
• [37:10] The difference between health and fitness.
• [39:55] Sugar, flour, and oil are the main problem.
• [44:40] Eat well. Feel Satisfied.
• [46:40] Compliance comes down to satiety.
• [49:10] More exercise doesn’t mean more weight loss.
• [52:00] Weightlifting is more important than cardio.
• [55:10] Hit each muscle twice a week.
• [57:50] How many reps should you do?
• [1:01:10] Are carbs better for muscle growth?
• [1:07:10] Physiological and psychological effects of carbs.
• [1:14:40] Stan’s monthly blood tests.
• [1:17:40] Sifting through dietary dogma.
• [1:24:10] Are vegetables overrated?
• [1:26:10] Get a gram of protein per pound of body weight.
• [1:28:10] Do kids need vegetables?
• [1:33:30] Why Stan doesn’t like seed oils.
• [1:39:35] Eat 1 dorito if you don’t have an appetite.
• [1:42:10] The dietary guidelines fueled the food industry.
• [1:46:10] The seed oil debate.
• [1:49:10] Everyone wants to blame one thing for obesity.
• [1:50:40] Rapid fire tips for success.

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Alright everyone, we’re back, Brian Sanders here with another episode of Peak Human where I talk to the leading experts around the world about health, nutrition, exercise, and how to live a long and healthy life. I’m a bit behind this week due to the holiday and filming a couple more awesome interviews for the Food Lies documentary. Every time I think we’re done, I get a new opportunity to talk to an amazing expert.

Yesterday we filmed with Professor Craig Stanford a USC anthropologist and world-renowned authority on primates who walked us through how savage our chimp ancestors were and still are. It’s no vegan utopia out there with them quietly munching on leaves and twigs. They hunt monkeys and rip them apart and eat them with their bare hands. He also explained the changes our bodies, brains, and digestive systems went through as we began eating more and more nutrient dense animal foods and became human.

Then today we hit my alma mater UCLA completing the cross-town rivalry professor square-off and talked to Dr. Aaron Blaisdell. He’s a powerful force in the ancestral health space and actually co-founded the Ancestral Health Society which puts on the Ancestral Health Symposium each year. They bridge the gap between the science and researchers in academia with the rest of the world. They’re basically undoing all the weak correlations and bad epidemiology that’s been done in the last 60 years that gave red meat and saturated fat a bad name using actual hard science. It’s a little sad that we need this group of “crazy rebels” to show us simple facts of human evolution and animal foods being the foundation of how we became human and continue to be the foundation of health.

So check them out and support the Food Lies film at http://FoodLies.org We’re on Indiegogo and you can help us finish the film by clicking through - one more time FoodLies.org - and pre-ordering a copy. It’s seriously the only way we can fight this battle - which is crazy that it is turning into an actual battle for our right to eat the healthiest foods on the planet.

Speaking of eating animal foods, Nose to tail is going strong and it’s hard to keep all the meat in stock. By the time you’re hearing this we should be back with some of our signature products such as the primal ground beef with liver, heart, kidney, and spleen mixed in. We’ve got a ton of nose to tail cuts of beef, buffalo, lamb, pork, and chicken as well on http://NoseToTail.org

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So onto the guest this week, Chris Masterjohn, PhD. If you haven't heard of him, you should have because he’s a force of nature when it comes to nutritional research. He’s got a PhD in nutritional sciences and knows more than just about anyone concerning how fat, carbs, protein, vitamins, and minerals work in our body. He’s publishing papers, putting out tons of great content on his site and youtube, has a masterclass series, and is a great guy for putting up with all my questions. I hope he wasn’t put off by this interview that I pushed to the very last minute before his next meeting. I wanted to bring up a lot of points that went against the standard nutritional narrative. I think a strict carnivore diet (or victus I should say - which is a better word than diet that I think we should be using) is super interesting and wanted to see what he thought about it. It gets technical in the beginning, but hold on and wait for the end, because that’s when it really gets good. So here’s the interview, I hope you enjoy it.

SHOW NOTES

• Chris Masterjohn has his PhD in Nutritional Sciences 
• He runs his own online blog and programs at https://chrismasterjohnphd.com
• Chris’ definition of nutrient density and selecting nutrient dense foods 
• The importance of nutrient balance when considering nutrient density 
• Why looking at nutrients per calorie isn’t that useful, for example if you compared protein per calorie for broccoli it would be very high but no one is going to eat that amount of calories of broccoli to ever reach a sufficient amount of protein 
• He has a 5 tier ranking system that helps you figure out which foods help you hit your nutrient targets for the day and which don’t 
• You can either choose to eat foods super dense in nutrients or you can choose to eat a lot of different foods that are moderately dense in nutrients
• Why he is strongly against Joel Fuhrman’s nutrient density score
• You want to consume all the essential nutrients well over the point of being deficient without being near the point of having too much 
• Reaching riboflavin toxicity is unheard of 
• The role of vitamin D in preventing leaching calcium from your bones 
• The interactions of vitamin D with vitamin K and vitamin A in preventing calcification in soft-tissues (ie. anything but bones and teeth)
• If you don’t balance vitamin D with vitamins A and K you may be at risk for soft-tissue calcification (e.g. kidney stones) and this is a danger of having too much vitamin D
• You can read about is theory here: https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/from-seafood-to-sunshine-a-new-understanding-of-vitamin-d-safety/
• Animal foods with vitamins A and K: 4-8oz of liver per week, cod liver oil, egg yolks, full-fat dairy products (you won’t get enough vitamin A and K with dairy and egg yolks alone)
• Plant foods with vitamin A: red/orange/yellow/green vegetables have vitamin A in the form of carotenoids that needs to be converted into the form in animal foods which is retinol, these are good sources of vitamin A but many people have poor conversion rates, there are also other factors that can interfere with the conversion 
• Two main forms of vitamin K: K1 (in plants - fermented foods like sauerkraut or natto) and K2 (in animals - fermented dairy (cheese, yogurt), liver, egg yolks, meat, etc.) 
• Non-fermented animal foods have MK4 that appears to have unique and essential roles in humans
• Most people are bad at converting vitamin K to MK4 therefore it’s a good insurance policy to get vitamin K from animal foods
• The dropout rate of vegans is very high 
• Carnivore shares a lot in common with veganism by cutting out a whole group of foods and the risks are the same because you are cutting out certain nutrient profiles 
• You are vulnerable to getting too much of something on the carnivore diet
• Why eating too much protein could be bad 
• Carnivores are also vulnerable to not getting enough manganese and vitamin C 
• There’s no longitudinal data on carnivore diets and the life-long effects and there is no human population that traditionally eats a carnivore diets 
• Weston Price looked for vegans and only found cannibals: https://www.westonaprice.org/weston-price-looked-for-vegans-but-found-only-cannibals/
• All traditional diets emphasize animal products for health but they also all eat plants
• Even at the extremes of the arctic where plants barely grow, they try very hard to get plants
• Theoretically, if you insist on being carnivore then the best way to avoid nutrient deficiencies you would need to eat nose to tail, there are no nutrients you can’t get 
• What is in an animal’s tissues is a snapshot of what that animal needed in that tissue at the time it died
• Eating nose to tail and shellfish (especially mussels for manganese) and eating fish is probably going to prevent you from nutrient deficiencies if carnivore
• Risk of not getting enough vitamin C 
• Solutions to acid-base issues on carnivore
• There are no populations that were chronically keto 
• If you look at the anthropological spread of traditional diets across the globe correlates strongly with latitude, the maximum plant consumption is at the equator and the further you go from the equator the more animal products are consumed 
• Plant foods availability goes down and down as you move from the equator and Chris believes this is the main thing that has driven more animal foods in the diet 
• Even when plant foods are maximally abundant, no one has chosen to eat all plants 
• Calorie availability was probably the driver of food choices 
• Canadian Natives prevented scurvy by eating the adrenal glands of moose
• All cultures were either seeking plant foods or obscure parts of the animal that were more nutrient dense that you could usually get from plants like vitamin C 
• The default for humans is neither vegan or carnivore 
• We have protein needs and you can choose carbs and fats in a way that provides micronutrients, fits your lifestyle, and in a way you won’t overeat
• The physiological requirements for glucose are only low if you are keto-adapted
• Chris does not believe you need less vitamin C if you aren’t eating carbohydrates (i.e. the theory that glucose and vitamin C compete for the same transporter) 
• Carbs are generally going to improve vitamin C recycling 
• Plant polyphenols are toxins that we have co-evolved throughout animal evolution and we are adapted to them and learned how to exploit them to increase our defences without allowing them to cause toxicity - it increases our defences enough to make it a net positive
• Anything that’s hormetic is only hormetic in the hormetic range and then it’s toxic 
• People that react to plants and go carnivore probably have genetic problems with their defense mechanisms
• For most of us, plants and vegetables are hormetic 
• We know mechanistically what molecules in plants do and how they benefit us
• Chris' site http://chrismasterjohnphd.com

Today we have Peter Ballerstedt who has a Phd in forage production and utilization. He’s also an expert in ruminant nutrition (this means cows, sheep, bison, etc.) He travels around the US and world giving lectures on the necessity and benefits of animal agriculture, for the health of our environment and human nutrition. I love him because he presents facts that go against the mainstream narrative and the animal rights propaganda that is absolutely rampant and taking over the conversation. He’s one of the only voices we have, so appreciate him and listen to his wise words.

You may have noticed I skipped a week putting out episodes - I had to prep for our upcoming film tour and make the Shawn Baker and Ted Naiman videos - check them out on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies

It’s the last days of the Food Lies film Indiegogo campaign - please pre-order the film. It’s the only way to be sure to be able to get it and share it with family and friends. It could take months to get to Netflix or never even make it there. Who knows. Just know you’ll likely get the film  3 months in advance if you pre-order now on Indiegogo before the campaign ends on August 10th. 

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I really appreciate all the support so far, we can’t do it without you all. Let’s hear what the leader of the Ruminant Revolution has to say.

Show notes

• What Peter does for a living - forage agronomist
• Eating beef is not only good for you, it is in fact good for the environment as well.
• All cows spend the majority of their life on pasture
• The facts around animal agriculture are skewed and basically the opposite of what the mainstream narrative has led us to believe
• We’re removed from the entire process of raising animals
• Very small and well-funded minority of animal rights activists with the loudest voices
• They claim the majority of the land is used for animal agriculture. The truth is there’s 4 times as much rangeland we can use for cows or other ruminants that can’t be used for crops
• The vegan rope starts unraveling
• Wildly exaggerated claims of environmental impact if we ate less meat
• Let’s look at insulinemia and diabetes
• Animal agriculture more greenhouse gas emissions than transportation based on a flawed and retracted study
• Cows aren't alchemists. The CO2 containing compounds they release came from the grass they are which got it's CO2 from the atmosphere.
• They’re finding it harder and harder to try to claim eating meat is bad for you so they’re trying harder and harder to claim it’s bad for the environment
• Don’t feel guilty if you’re eating some or all animal products in your diet and restoring your health
• If you haven't heard of Mikhaila Peterson http://mikhailapeterson.com here’s an articel https://www.healthline.com/health-news/meat-only-diet-eased-autoimmune-disease-symptoms#7
• Jordan Peterson talks about his carnivore diet on Joe Rogan’s podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGikB-54Lwk
• We talk about soil health
• The role of ruminants in reducing agriculture's carbon footprint in North America http://www.jswconline.org/content/71/2/156.short

• Climate change and CO2
• How the carbon cycle actually works with grasses and grazing cows
• CO2 helps plants to grow faster
• The great horse manure crisis of 1894 https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Great-Horse-Manure-Crisis-of-1894/
• plant protein and micronutrient content is far less than animal equivalent
• Study with oysters, beans, and corn tortillas showing zinc absorption https://www.researchgate.net/publication/22684528_Studies_on_the_bioavailability_of_zinc_in_man_II_Absorption_of_zinc_from_inorganic_sources
• We can study the diet and outcomes of animals and make lots of conclusions, but can’t do that for humans
• “Our animals have never been healthier, and humans have never been sicker”
• Modern societies are dependent on ruminant animals. We need to meet the growing need for animal protein with the growing population.
• For an ancient food to cause a modern disease is ludicrous
• The danger of nitrates and nitrites has been debunked
• Omega 3 and Omega 6
• What’s going on with this carnivore thing?
• All plant diets = healthy hero. All meat diet = insane person who’s going to die
• “Diet for a Small Planet” and “Population Bomb”
• Lab grown meat
• How’d the margarine experiment go?
• Can you really replicate all the intricacies of meat? It's not just a protein matrix. Do we trust the makers to even get the ratios of fat/protein correct?
• Ruminants are part of the lifecycle of grasslands and soil health, we shouldn’t exclude them. Essential for watersheds, carbon cycle - what’s their replacement?
• We shouldn't put a big portion of our food supply into the hands of one company that gets the patent or a few big companies
• Where are the nutrients going to come from?
• They’re starting from a false nutritional premise
• What about other wealth generation from cows, especially in developing countries
• What about the energy it would take to cool and produce all this lab grown meat?
• Same thing that’s going on in the healthcare system - we’re making a medication for each disease instead of treating the root problem
• Eating beef is beneficial to you and the environment
• Buy the animal products you can afford to feed yourself and your family and don’t let the other side and their fear-mongering influence you.

Dr Aseem Malhotra is an NHS Trained Consultant Cardiologist, and visiting Professor of Evidence Based Medicine, Bahiana School of Medicine and Public Health, Salvador, Brazil. He is a world renowned expert in the prevention, diagnosis and management of heart disease. He is honorary council member to the Metabolic Psychiatry Clinic at Stanford University school of medicine California, and is Cardiology MSc examiner at the University of Hertfordshire, UK. He is a founding member of Action on Sugar and was the lead campaigner highlighting the harm caused by excess sugar consumption in the United Kingdom, particularly its role in type 2 diabetes and obesity. https://doctoraseem.com/biography/

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SHOW NOTES:

• 00:30- Introduction
• 04:03-  How Dr. Aseem’s views have changed
• 06:15- Transition to Rumble 
• 08:18- A framework for the rest of the discussion 
• 13:28- the evidence-based medicine triad
• 15:35- how to survive the medical miss information mess
• 18:30- The corruption of medicine from pharmaceutical companies 
• 19:20- Blatant misconduct from the pharmacy industries 
• 21:15- What about the life-saving drugs?
• 29:00-  Statistical literacy
• 32:25-  The effects of fear and stress
• 34:20- The real impact of the vaccine 
• 49:00- Dr. Aseem's consensus on the data
• 1:00:00- The harms of the vaccine
• 1:08:00- Getting to the root of the problem?
• 1:28:30- Where to find the best products on the market 

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Dr. Malcolm Kendrick is a General Practitioner in Medicine from Scotland, and focuses the bulk of his research and writing on cholesterol, atherosclerosis, stress, and the myths around them.

He is an outspoken critic of the cholesterol focus of heart disease, overprescription of medications, and the dirty plays of statistics that some doctors use to increase their gains at the expense of their patients and general population.

He is the author of three books, The Clot Thickens, Doctoring Data, and The Cholesterol Con, and runs the website drmalcolmkendrick.org

SHOW NOTES:

• [0:50] - Brian and Malcolm chat about Malcolm recent book, The Clot Thickens, and a brief overview of heart disease, its history and Malcolm’s thoughts on it 
• [10:01] - Malcolm details the nuance of atherosclerosis, endothelial cells, and damage to blood vessels 
• [19:40] - Malcolm’s thoughts on using LDL as a risk factor for cardiovascular events
• [31:20] - Myths and facts around cholesterol and its role in physiology
• [36:00] - Diving deep into Malcolm's thrombogenic hypothesis of heart disease, blood clots and endothelial pathology, Sickle Cell disease and Diabetes
• [59:21] - Nitric oxide, how it’s benefits were found and how to increase it 
• [1:04:21] - How stress correlates to increased risk of cardiovascular disease
• [1:08:45] - Malcolm’s thoughts on lifestyle, diet, and relationships that help or hurt your chances of adverse cardiovascular events 
• [1:14:30] - How Malcolm’s thoughts on these topics have changed or cumulated over the years

Dave Asprey is the  “Father of Biohacking”, a 4x New York Times Bestselling Author,  the founder of several companies such as Bulletproof and Upgrade Labs, as well the host of the award-winning podcast The Human Upgrade. 

Dave’s mission is to empower the entire globe with information and knowledge that unlocks the Super Human in everyone at any age, working with world-renowned doctors, researchers, scientists, and global mavericks to uncover the latest, most innovative methods, techniques and products for enhancing mental and physical performance.

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SHOW NOTES:

• [1:20] - Freedom, Rights and Handed-Down Wisdom
• [10:50] - Consciousness and Food
• [16:10] - Making Money and Promoting your Brand - Dave’s Take
• [19:30] - How food affects the speed your brain works
• [24:00] - Conspiracy theories and purposeful lying, and rational action 
• [31:40] - Are CEOs trying to destroy the world or do good?
• [38:00] - Where should we get fats from?
• [44:30] - Grass-finished meat, Ancestral Eating and Nutrient Density
• [53:40]  - Plant vs. Animal foods and a dietary framework
• [1:00:20] - Eat these and stop doing what makes you weak
• [1:04:20] - The absurdity of “The China Study” and nuance around food
• [1:08:30] - Dave’s thoughts on protein, collagen and digestive enzymes

Morley Robbins is the creator of The Root Cause Protocol.

Morley (aka. “Magnesium Man”) is one of the foremost experts on Magnesium’s role in the body, and the delicate dance Magnesium plays with Iron, Copper, and Calcium.

In 2012, Morley founded the Magnesium Advocacy Group (GotMag.org).

And he remains the de facto leader of the Magnesium Advocacy Group on Facebook, with over 175,000+ members (and growing daily).

As a certified health coach with an expertise in Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis (HTMA), Morley has performed over 4,500 one-on-one consultations with clients from around the world.

Morley received his BA in Biology from Denison University in Ohio and holds an MBA from George Washington University in healthcare administration, with additional concentrations in finance and marketing management. Morley has completed his training for becoming a Wellness Coach, a Nutritional Counselor, and a Functional Diagnostic Nutritionist.

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SHOW NOTES

• [5:05] His background and how he got into his career.
• [15:35] The immune system and iron.
• [17:05] The importance of copper in your immune system.
• [23:15] Bioavailability of minerals in our foods.
• [25:35] Food sources with plenty of copper. 
• [30:05] Supplements vs natural sources from food.
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3997530/ 
• [35:05] Big Pharma and supplements. 
• [41:35] There is no disease, only metabolic dysfunction caused by mineral dysregulation that changes molecular dynamics.
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7366458/ 
• [46:55] Vitamin D.
• https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-187 
• [53:00] We don't need as much Vitamin D as we’ve been programmed.
• [55:00] Getting food through whole food sources rather than supplements.
• [58:00] Root Cause Protocol.
• [1:04:30] Retinol in brain development.
• [1:07:40] Parkinson’s. 

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We’re back for season 8 of the podcast. I took an unannounced break to work on the Food Lies film and make sure I’m getting top quality episodes and guests. I really don’t want to just crank these out each week just for the sake of having an episode to release. I am constantly reading books, watching lectures, reading scientific papers, and previously going to conferences to seek out the best guests the world has to offer. Our guest today, Mary Ruddick, is just that.

She is a nutritionist, teacher, and author of books and online educational programs. People come to Mary to resolve their otherwise impossible health conditions. She teaches them tools they can implement to rebuild their own immune systems, nervous systems, holobiome, and microbiome and once again take control of their health. 

Mary specializes in rebalancing the microbiome by addressing nutritional and epigenetic aspects that underlie various physical and mental health disorders. She is a specialist in the fields of autoimmunity, histamine intolerance (MCAD), mental disorders, and nervous system disorders that include dysautonomia, seizure disorders, and autism. 

She’s been a nutrition professor, she’s travelled the world living with and observing other cultures and native-living tribes, she’s worked for big organizations teaching them about diet and lifestyles for disease prevention, she’s miraculously cured her own ailments that had her bed-bound for years and years, and so much more. I’ve been talking to her for months and am ready to call her the Sherlock Holmes of Health. She’s the real deal so I really hope you listen to this episode in entirety. We even have a part 2 coming out next week.

So I hope everyone got a chance to catch up on the back catalogue of episodes during this little break. I’m so happy to hear all the great life transformations taking place, especially when people go back to listen from episode 1. 

Alright, so another reason I don’t need to crank out episodes each week is I don’t have any sponsors. So far I’ve turned them all down so I can remain independent from any outside interests. I have my own beneficial products and services we offer at Http://Sapien.org and http://nosetotail.org to support the show, the film, myself, and my great team. I make a lot less money this way, but it’s a lot more satisfying to not have to rely on anyone else or promote any other products.

However, it only works if people support Sapien and Nose to Tail. Luckily we have amazing things to offer. Sapien is the health platform I’ve built with my business partner Dr. Gary. We have a practice in Woodland Hills, CA as well as an online program anyone in the world can join if they’re serious about weight loss and disease reversal using diet and lifestyle. You can find out more about the program at http://Sapien.org You can also get the free Sapien Food guide there. 

Another thing we’ve got going is the Sapien Tribe. We have a growing community of people who are living this lifestyle and dominating life. I know that sounds pretty bro-ey, but it’s what is happening. People have gone from a life of mediocrity or even ill-health to being in top shape, reversing their chronic disease, having great body composition, and not getting sick anymore! Tribe members also get all the extras like the bonus episodes of this podcast, the extended show notes, the private members area, and special access and live Zoom calls with Dr. Gary and me. You can find that at http://sapien.org as well.

You can also get the Nose to Tail meats at http://nosetotail.org where we ship grass finished, ethically and sustainably raised beef, buffalo, pork, and chicken to your door. It’s all raised in Texas and ships out each week to the 48 contiguous states. Our specialty products include ground beef with liver, heart, kidney, and spleen mixed in. I don’t know of anyone else getting all these organs mixed in like we do. I think it’s the best and tastiest way to eat the fresh organs to get the ultimate in nutrient dense, bioavailable nutrition. We also have high omega 3, low omega 6 pork and chicken. We feed them a special gluten free, non-GMO feed that makes their meat and fat very low in PUFAs. I can go on forever about how great this stuff is, but just check it out for yourself at http://nosetotail.org

I can’t wait to share the new whole food products we’re developing that will be out soon. Follow @eatnosetotail on Instagram or Twitter for updates. We’ve got some exciting stuff coming. You can also follow me on any platform if you search for Food Lies. I’m putting out all kinds of info each week and we have some good discussions going on there. Youtube as well. A bunch of great videos to check out.

So that’s all for now. Thanks for listening and sharing this show and any of the other content. Please give this podcast a review in the podcast app or on iTunes. Check out Sapien.org and NoseToTail.org and most importantly listen to this great info from the nutrition genius, Mary Ruddick!

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SHOW NOTES

• [4:45] Her experiences in a blue zone island, Icaria, Greece.
• [10:50] The importance of being very local and seasonal with your food.
• [17:15] How the elderly stay so healthy in Icaria.
• [21:35] The importance of having purpose and responsibilities in life.
• https://www.pnas.org/content/111/46/16331 
• [25:15] How opportunistic and pathogenic bacteria damages the microbiome.
• [30:35] Her educational background and how she got into her career. 
• [33:45] How the gut affects the nervous system and mental health. 
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893818/ 
• [38:15] How she reverses Schizophrenia and Autism with dietary and holistic health at her clinic.
• https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gaps-diet 
• https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325046 
• https://www.nature.com/articles/mp201493 
• https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20683204/ 
• https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5006292/ 
• https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/133/5/872.full 
• [45:35] Her 8 year journey through a severe illness.
• [55:55] How meditation and implementing a daily routine helped her recover from her severe nerve damage from Pott’s Disease.
• [1:00:35] How she used the Weston A Price and GAPS diet to help her recover from her illness. 
• [1:14:05] How the release of stress chemicals from eating food in a stressed environment can lead to issues. 
• [1:22:05] The link between zinc deficiencies and eating disorders.
• https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2600063/
• https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/130/5/1493S/4686425

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We actually are filming a bit more for the Food Lies documentary in a few weeks at a great ranch in Oklahoma. I can’t stress enough the lengths we are going to to make this the absolute best film possible. We need a mic-dropper, jaw-dropper, kale shake dropping film. ANything less won’t work. It won’t reach the mainstream. It won’t reach Joe Cheeto out in Ohio. It won’t reach the vegan in the coffee shop with the soy latte in Santa Monica.

It won’t reach the hilarious jokesters at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health with their comical EAT Lancet funded diet for planetary health with more added sugar and 3x the seed oils than meat. Well it probably will never reach those bought and paid for fake scientists anyway. But we are going to make it that good where someone there might watch it and realize they’re living a lie and will quit their Kellogg’s and Coca-cola funded position.

Really interesting new paradigm on how the heart works and how atherosclerosis and other problems developed based on a bunch of research he’s looked at. I don’t think anyone’s put it together like this before in one model like he’s done. Very intriguing stuff.

He attained both his Doctorate of Chiropractic and Masters in Human Nutrition and Functional Medicine from the University of Western States in Portland, OR. He is a health coach, speaker, and the author of two books on health; The Health Evolution: Why Understanding Evolution is the Key to Vibrant Health and The Heart: Our Most Medically Misunderstood Organ. Dr. Hussey guides clients from around the world back to health by using the latest research and health attaining strategies.

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SHOW NOTES

• [8:35] His background.
• [14:30] His past involving Type 1 Diabetes and poor metabolic health. 
• [17:45] A brief history on the evolution of mitochondria. 
• [21:10] The Metabolic Theory of Cancer. 
• [23:40] The Autonomic Nervous System. 
• [34:00] Chronic stress and the issues it can create. 
• [39:45] Anatomy and physiology of the heart and how blood flows.
• [52:45] The 4th phase of water. 
• [56:15] Free radicals. 
• [59:30] How to mitigate excessive free radicals/oxidative stress. 
• [1:06:00] How the heart reacts to clots and ruptures. 
• [1:09:00] The surprising benefits of LDL and cholesterol. 
• [1:12:10] Angiogenesis of the heart and surrounding arteries.
• [1:16:45] Main interventions to prevent heart disease.
• [1:18:30] Different ways we can get heart attacks.
• [1:20:20] His own experience with a heart attack and western medicine.

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• Works on Wall Street and developed software that deals with trillions of dollars of assets
• Had a stroke-like event at age 38
• Then got acute diverticulitis
• Got a colon resection and followed “healthy” diet and doctor’s advice and was still sick
• He called himself “Mr. Whole Wheat” - stopped eating sugar when he was 19 so that wasn’t it
• 16 years of IBS… finally found Stephan Guyenet’s blog http://stephanguyenet.com
• Started fixing himself in 2 days using dietary change
• His surgery was probably unnecessary
• He is well connected to Daniel Lieberman and The Story of the Human Body
• Diseases of civilization
• Agriculture allowed us to build cities, paved the way for written language to keep track of grains, etc.
• We over-hunted all the very large animals
• From eating grains we got shorter, got cavities, lesions on bones, all while our population exploded
• We used to be more robust and have bigger brains
• Diabetes used to be super rare - we have medical records of this
• Cancer a huge problem in Germany
• Heart disease in England
• Diseases went around the world as eating patterns went around the world
• We even give other species diabetes and our diseases when we feed them our foods - monkeys, dogs, cats - even racoons who eat human garbage
• Weston A. Price needs to be mentioned for his great work
• Realization came at the salad bar with the dressings
• Cut all vegetable oils and cured himself
• Cut out carbs and processed foods and exercised less and lost tons of weight
• Started doing more research - lots of people said seed oils are bad, but nobody really explained the mechanism back then
• Maybe the largest epidemiological study ever on saturated fat in India looking at the northern and southern populations
• The south who ate like our food pyramid suggests had 7-15 times the heart disease rate
• How about England? Heart disease skyrocketed with the intro of seed oils
• Okinawa is a Blue Zone - place where people live abnormally long
• First fast food restaurant opened in Okinawa
• Okinawa went from the longest lifespan in Japan to the shortest
• Seed oil consumption tracks modern disease all over the world
• These cultures were eating a high carb diet so it's likely not the carbs - the carb consumption actually went down
• Japanese and chinese are some of the shortest populations and they subsist on high carb, low meat diet. We know we got shorter when agriculture was invented. We know when we lower carb intake and up meat intake populations get taller
• Grains are a “fallback food”
• It’s funny that rich people in Santa Monica purposely try to live in the Failed Environment Metabolic State while thinking they’re morally superior to us
• Tarahumara Indians eat this way - their children have a malnutrition rate of 80%
• Carbohydrate is a cofactor. 5 key studies: rats and diabetes & heart failure; (Ghosh 2004); LA and obesity (Alvheim 2012) Lyon Diet Heart (De Lorgeril 1994); Seed oils and insulin resistance in India (Nigam 2014); Seed oils and NAFLD, (Maciejewska 2015)
• Lyon heart study - lowered Omega 6 and raised Omega 3 to improve heart attack risk of repeat by 70%
• William Lands: “I’ve studied saturated fat for 50 years and never found a mechanism that it could kill somebody”
• American Heart Association’s “Prudent Diet” proved to be outright harmful to people in this study
• History of LDL cholesterol and heart disease
• To make LDL atherogenic omega 6 fats need to be oxidized
• Researchers found this mechanism before De Lorgeril had success with replacing Omega 6s with olive oil, where he improved heart attack outcomes without knowing the mechanism
• Researchers prime rats to get cancer and can’t do this unless they use omega 6s
• Western Cancers and the P53 gene mutation
• Japanese women moving to America breast cancer went up 7 fold
• Why is there DNA damage present in all western diseases?
• Mitochondrial dysfunction is a hallmark of all western diseases
• Avoiding heated seed oils is not good enough - damage still happens inside cells
• damaged cardiolipin cause mitochondria to stop working properly and is primarily caused by excess carbohydrates in the diet
• A lot of disease is teed up by excess carbs but the seed oils are what activate the damage
• Asian countries and rice consumption
• Knockout gene and detoxifying seed oils
• Selenium deficiency in China and glutathione
• Omega 6 fats combined with glucose causes oxidation and can be seen in a petri dish
• Women in CHina were getting lung cancer that didn’t smoke - turned out it was cooking with seed oils and inhaling the fumes
• Seed oils break down into one of the same toxins as in cigarette smoke
• Seed oils used to be an industrial waste product
• There’s no conspiracy theory - they thought these oils were fine. They aren't acutely toxic, it takes years to do damage
• Everything has a U-shaped curve - too little or too much is bad
• There’s essential fats in dairy and maybe more we don’t know about
• How do vegans temporarily survive?
• Kitavans
• Sunburn and diet - how could they possibly be related?
• His wife with dark skin and his light skin
• What’s the mechanism?
• His radiation research
• Evolutionary context for omega 6 causing sunburn (or lack of omega 6 making us able to not get sunburned)
• Now are omega 3 to omega 6 ratio is a nightmare
• Giving omega 3 and a better diet to prisoners helped with their behavior
• Weston Prices studied diet and its effects on troubled youth as well
• Not everyone needs to cut out wheat, but just know it’s effects. Everyone should cut out sugar, refined grains, and seed oils though
• Gabor Erdosi lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rcfvRGZsDs
• The amount of physical grinding of starch affects your digestion and health in a negative way
• Gabor is actually the next podcast guest
• Japanese people eat high starch but it’s in its whole form, not ground
• People are confused on what healthy even is, so it’s hard to be healthy
• Going to restaurants is not even worth it anymore when you can make things better at home
• Tucker’s blog http://yelling-stop.blogspot.com/
• Tucker on Twitter https://twitter.com/TuckerGoodrich

Here we are at the end of the 4 part Africa series with my amazing friend Mary Ruddick. If you haven’t listened to the previous 3, I’d suggest going back and starting at the beginning. I’d really recommend doing this for this entire podcast series. It’s designed as an educational journey through the complex, conflicting world that is nutrition, health, food, the environment, and more.

This episode covers the rest of our journey including the Datoga tribe, the Chagga on the slopes of Mt. Kilimanjaro, and the transition of all the native living populations into the villages and then into the city. It’s a very clear decline in health as they do so. Make sure to watch this video interview on the Food Lies youtube channel to see all the photos and videos from our trip. I went back and added them all in and you’d also get to see Mary’s smiling face as we talk! 

There’s a bunch of great presentations and videos on the Food Lies youtube channel as well. You can see the Game CHangers DEBUNKED film, the Food Lies trailer, and a lot of short highlights from interviews that will go into the film.

You’ll hear us talk about Cows 4 Kids which is the organization Mary and I started after seeing the lack of animal foods in the diet of many of the tribes we visited, especially with the youngest people who need them the most. You can go to http://cows4kids.com and click through to the Indiegogo campaign there. We already are over 60% of our campaign goal through all the generous contributions to the cause. 100% of the money is going to purchase animals for the school children. 

Mary and I had a great Zoom call with one of our big contributors who put almost his whole covid relief check in. He said he didn’t ask for it, didn;t need it, and would rather see it go much further to help the communities in need. Check out what we’re doing at http://cows4kids.com

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We have boxes of grass fed and finished beef, buffalo, and lamb that’s shipped out to the 48 US states. We also have the low Omega 6 PUFA pork and chicken. Our other specialty is the ground beef with organs mixed in - it’s extra special because it has the liver, heart, kidney, and spleen. Most people stop at the liver and heart.

Our skin food is back in stock. It almost sold out immediately when we got our new batch. It’s that good, I’m telling you. It’s really a great deal as well because a little goes a long way. I still have barely dented my jar. It’s made from regeneratively grown beef tallow and is all hand made. You can add on our freshly ground seasonings and biltong as well. Biltong is a south african traditional beef snack with no sugar, nitrates, or other wacky stuff. It really saved me on the long flights to and from Africa - I don’t think I’d have made it without my Nose to Tail biltong. 

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• [4:40] An introduction to the Datoga (Tatoga).
• [8:40] The 5 step process for grains not used as much by the Datoga. 
• [10:15] The Datogas’ abundance of health compared to some other tribes.
• [11:05] Antinutrients and the importance of detoxifying them.
• [13:50] Gluten and the problems it can cause.
• [15:20] Issues that can come from eating nightshades.
• [20:35] Differences of allergies in the tribes.
• [24:40] General health of the Datoga (Tatoga).
• [29:45] Introduction to the Chaga (Wachagga).
• [32:15] Banana beer and fermentation.
• [35:30] The Chagas’ housing and way of life.
• [37:10] The diet of the Chaga.
• [40:15] The incredible hospitality we experienced from the Chaga tribes.
• [44:00] The traditional huts and living conditions of the Chaga.
• [46:10] Salt consumption between the differing tribes. 
• [48:15] Agricultural based tribes whose health almost mirrored those from the US.
• [53:30] Some high level closing thoughts from Brian and Mary.
• [59:10] Richard’s update on his weight loss journey.

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Dr. Thomas Seyfried is  a Professor of Biology at Boston College, and received his Ph.D. in Genetics and Biochemistry from the University of Illinois. He then worked as an assistant professor in the neurology department at the Yale school of medicine. He has over 180 peer-reviewed publications and is author of the book, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. He recently received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Academy of Complimentary and Integrative Medicine.

I got a chance to meet and interview him at the Metabolic Health Summit earlier this year. You’ll notice we did this podcast shortly after the Super Bowl. In case people aren’t familiar with American football the New England Patriots had just beaten the LA Rams.

I hope people look up the paper he recently published that we mention and watch his presentation I linked to in the show notes and go deeper on this topic. It’s very surprising to learn of this completely new view on cancer if you haven't heard of it before. This really shouldn't be very surprising to anyone, however, because of course our modern diet and lifestyle would have the biggest effect on the rising cancer rates. And of course fixing these things would also be a major part of the treatment. He’s really doing legendary work. So without further ado, here’s professor Seyfried.

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• Dr. Thomas Seyfried believes cancer is a metabolic disease, not a genetic disease and explains in simple terms why that is
• The mitochondria in your cells make energy (ATP)
• There’s 2 types of energy: ancient energy which is a fermentation metabolism which means you can make energy without oxygen, or respiration where you make energy from breathing air
• Cancer cells ferment - therefore they don’t use oxygen
• Not all cancer cells have genetic mutations, but all cancer cells ferment
• The mitochondrial metabolic theory says that the organelle that makes energy from respiration is defective, forcing the cell to ferment. When the cell ferments, mutations collect in the nucleus
• This means the genetic mutations seen in cancer cells come from a downstream effect of disruption of energy metabolism
• The cancer cell has to consume a large amount of glucose and the amino acid glutamine in order to survive on a fermentation metabolism
• On the other hand, normal cells use oxygen and very little amounts of glucose
• This should make sense to a lot of people because they’ve probably heard cancer cells need a lot of glucose and if you starve them of that they die
• Have to re-emphasize the fact that the DNA damage comes as a downstream effect
• Damaged mitochondria, instead of making ATP, make Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) or oxidative stress (which causes a lot of problems in our body)
• The oxidative stress also causes damage to the nucleus and the genome
• The field of cancer research studies effects instead of causes
• We’re not treating cancer by looking at the root cause - it’s absurd - how would we ever cure it?
• This is supported by thousands of experiments and studies
• Obvious step to treat cancer is to deprive the cancer cells of glucose and glutamine and transition healthy cells into the use of ketones which they can readily use
• We evolved as a starving creature and convert fatty acids into ketones and usable forms of energy
• Cancer cells can't use ketones
• There’s no dietary way to restrict glutamine to the cancer cells so drugs have to be used
• Basically nobody he’s heard of is treating it this way
• If it’s so clear this is how cancer works, why has this not reached the mainstream?
• The Federal government puts out websites saying cancer is genetic, medical schools teach it's genetic, leading cancer clinics tell patients it's genetic
• Entrenched beliefs continue this. Also funding money is all based around the genetic theory
• If you look at the mitochondria of any cancer cell under an electron microscope you can easily see the damage to the organelles and mitochondria
• Cancer is a result of the industrialization as a society
• Cancer is so rare throughout history or with non-industrialized societies they don't even have the word for it in their language
• Cancer comes from all kinds of things like pollution, chemicals, radiation, hypoxia, infections, chronic inflammation, even some rare inherited diseases like BRCA1 (but it has to damage the mitochondria)
• These are all secondary - the root cause is damage to the respiration
• Obese people have higher rates of cancer and also higher inflammation (measured by C reactive protein)
• To avoid cancer it’s as simple as avoiding diets and lifestyles that risk damage to the mitochondria
• Metabolic therapies need to at least be options for people
• Problem is doctors aren't aware of them or aren't trained on them
• Therapeutic ketosis is a medicine - it’s different than just a diet (which is a turn-off to a lot of medical professionals)
• There’s therapeutic weight loss and toxic weight loss
• Using a suite of therapies to cure cancer including ketogenic metabolic therapy and hyperbaric oxygen therapy
• Hyperbaric oxygen creates reactive oxygen species that kills cancer cells but healthy cells using ketones are protected from oxidative stress and are fine
• Burning ketones creates less ROS (which is a good thing) and is why many people without cancer eat a ketogenic diet
• ROS damages tissues and is why you age
• He published the glucose-ketone index calculator
• People need to realize sweets are a treat once in awhile - not an everyday thing
• The food industry has played into our ancient desires for sweet
• Otto Warburg studied cancer in the early 1900s
• He found that cancer cells would grow in an 100% oxygen environment - they continue to ferment and create lactic acid
• Because their mitochondria are defective they can’t switch back to oxidative phosphorylation
• He recently published a paper filling in the gaps from Otto Warburg’s work
• Missing link was the glutamine that cancer cells can also use
• Have to pulse the glutamine so the immune system can do it's job and clear out the dead cells
• He’s developed the press-pulse system in his lab to attack tumors strategically
• Almost there with dosage, timing, and schedule - when done with this will have the pathway to resolution
• He’s having trouble getting funding for this for some reason
• One problem is people have created separate little communities and foundations around their specific type of cancer even though they all have the common metabolic foundational problem
• People are going to have to participate in the management of their disease and the culture of the diseases has to change
• Another problem is the high cost of these standard therapies - people have to pay $400k
• His paper looking at research conducted on cancer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941741/
• If you take a normal cytoplasm and implant a nucleus with a tumor you get normal cells. But if you implant a normal nucleus to a cell with damaged cytoplasm, you get more tumor cells. This shows it's the damaged mitochondria in the cytoplasm, not the DNA in the nucleus
• The wheelchair doesn't cause your legs to not work
• Needle biopsies are putting people at risk and are pointless
• He calls this general misunderstanding of cancer the biggest tragedy in the history of medicine
• What do critics of his views say? They try to create doubt
• They rely on private funding and some great organizations supporting this research
• Travis Christofferson’s foundation https://foundationformetaboliccancertherapies.com
• His book Tripping Over the Truth https://www.amazon.com/Tripping-over-Truth-Overturning-Entrenched/dp/1603587292/
• Dr. George Yu’s foundation https://yufoundation.org
• Presentation by Dr. Seyfried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APwnkpD_BfI&frags=pl%2Cwn
• Dr. Seyfried’s book https://www.amazon.com/Cancer-Metabolic-Disease-Management-Prevention/dp/0470584920/

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Dr. Michael Rose is one of the world’s leading scientists in aging, biological immortality, and human evolution. He is Director and Professor at the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of California, Irvine.

He has been doing research for 40 years and published over 275 Academic publications and authored 10 books including Does Aging Stop? and Evolutionary Biology of Aging

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• [4:20] How he got into evolutionary biology. 
• [10:00] The force of natural selection declines with adult age.
• [27:50] Why we should eat an ancestral diet, especially as we age.
• [34:00] The importance of sticking to ancestral diets.
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-9S8M78iRY&list=PLkl7B_X7mCo7SQD1RqcwsDe-TF0yLkcXG&index=11 
• [39:40] Drugs and supplements to help with DNA transcription.
• [46:00] Autoimmunity, modern agriculture, and seed oils.
• [58:00] Theories for how our brains grew so exponentially.
• [1:02:40] How caloric restriction affects aging.
• [1:07:00] Caloric restriction led to a longer living, robust “super fruit fly”.
• [1:19:00] What his diet looks like and what he suggests.
• [1:24:00] The importance of living in a tribal setting.
• [1:26:00] Addiction to food and substances.

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Hey, hey! How’s everyone doing? We’re living in some strange times. I really hope we find a way to end racism in the US and the world and I hope justice is served for that horrible police officer. I’m here in LA and just tried to go to the post office and found that it was closed and storefronts in the Venice / Marina Del Rey area were being boarded up. We all got messages to our phones saying a curfew would be enforced at 5pm. My friend got beat up in Santa Monica for trying to stop looters. I don’t know why he was trying to do this, but it looked pretty scary. Violence is not the answer. I hope everyone stays safe and we make some changes in our society towards true equality.

Today we have Dr. Cate Shanahan back on the show. There’s a few great people who have made it on twice. Dr. Ted Naiman, Ivor Cummins, Dr. Paul Saladino, and I'm talking to Dr. Bill Schindler again tomorrow. Please go back and catch these awesome repeat guests, as well as all the other great episodes in the back catalogue.

For those who don’t know of Dr. Cate she was just on Bill Maher’s show Real Time where she talked about ancestral nutrition, avoiding seed oils, running on fat, and staying healthy as the number one goal during the time of coronavirus. It was such a treat to hear someone from our health community make it to the mainstream. Bill seemed to support her message 100% and didn’t even start with his plant-heavy leaning ideas. I was just so excited to see her spreading these messages I wanted to have her back on. I also have been reading her new book The Fatburn Fix and am thoroughly enjoying it. She goes into a lot of interesting details of her new information in this episode. 

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I’d also like to give all you listeners first access to the new Sapien Tribe. We’re making our cult official! Just joking. We have a special lifetime access deal on http://Sapien.org right now especially for Patreon supporters and podcast listeners. We’re going to expand our offering from the normal Patreon perks and add a lot more exclusive content and features. Learn more about it at http://Sapien.org

Thanks for being a part of the Sapien community and please enjoy this week’s episode with Dr. Cate Shanahan.

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• [7:15] Body fat can become dysfunctional by consuming seed oils.

• [8:45] Why are seed oils so bad for you?

• [13:45] The inflammatory response from seed oils and how it relates to COVID-19.

• [21:25] Gluten and celiac disease.

• [35:05] Because of how these seed oils affect our metabolism, they are causing the vast majority of chronic illnesses.

• [40:55] Whole wheat bread vs sprouted bread.

• [54:55] How seed oils play a role in the development of cancerous cells.

• [1:02:55] Flattening the curve and coronavirus.

• [1:10:55] Metabolic flexibility is the key to being metabolically healthy.

• [1:14:35] You can eat carbs and still be metabolically healthy/flexible.

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Wow. Get ready for this one, everyone. Paul and I have been talking constantly for weeks and we have something special for you. This is a 2 part, 4 hour series that covers everything you can imagine on plant and animal foods.

If this is your first time listening, make sure to go back and start at episode 1. To catch people up I’m Brian Sanders and I’ve quit my job and dedicated my life to studying health and nutrition. I’m trying my best to be unbiased and to simplify the conflicting advice out there and distill down concepts into something anyone can understand. I’m not a doctor or nutritionist. I’m a mechanical engineer and I’ve lost both of my parents to chronic disease and have set off on my own path for the last 4 years to study this topic and make sure I don’t fall to the same fate. My role is the curator, the communicator, the curious mind collecting and spreading this information. I’ve interviewed over 100 of the top scientists, doctors, nutritionists, fitness experts, and other health professionals and have come to find some simple truths that I’d like to share.

Today I’m talking to Dr. Paul Saladino who received his MD from the University of Arizona and is also a Certified Functional Medicine Practitioner. He has quickly become one of the leading voices and experts on animal-based diets and nose to tail eating. He’s a good friend and a wealth of knowledge. We just got back from Paleo f(x) in Austin and are getting ready to shoot the final interview for the Food Lies film. You guys are in for a treat.

But first I have to ask for your support. I’m working almost every night until midnight these days trying to keep up with all my projects and content creation. So far I’ve done this all for free and it’s taking a toll on me and definitely my non-existent bank account. You can support me directly by joining my Patreon - you can go to http://Patreon.com/peakhuman or search for Peak Human on Patreon, or of course click through in the show notes. A couple dollars a month goes a long way. You can also support me through the Food Lies film which is still on Indiegogo. We have all kinds of great perks like your name in the credits, the Eat Meat shirt, and the Real Foods coin. Thanks so much, I really appreciate it, and it’s not possible without you. Now please enjoy the wise words of Dr. Paul Saladino.

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SHOW NOTES

• Food directly contacts our body everyday
• Food is a signal to the body and affects us on a cellular level, it is so much more than calories and macros
• If your blood markers improve on a vegan diet your doctor would praise you, if you told them you did it with a carnivore diet they would tell you to stop
• People have a very difficult time believing that plants could be bad
• High D15 nitrogen values in the bones and collagen of neanderthals and early humans confirm humans were eating primarily animals
• Studies referenced:

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6421459/
2. https://www.pnas.org/content/106/38/16034
3. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41033-3

• Humans evolved as facultative carnivores
• Plants were our fallback foods during times of starvation
• “Thriving vegans” would probably thrive more if they ate animals
• If you enjoy plants eat them but animal foods are the ideal foods for humans
• Study showing male height is associated with high quality animal proteins
• Eating nose to tail is basically a multivitamin for humans in the most bioavailable form
• There are no unique nutrients in plants that we can’t get from animals
• The history of fiber and how it got associated with health
• No real evidence to suggest fiber protects against colon cancer  
• Meat does not cause colon cancer
• Major flaws in the fiber deprived mice study showing mucosal layer in the gut degraded in the absence of fiber but with no symptoms or association with disease or inflammation
• Fiber and health is based on epidemiology and confounded with healthy user bias
• Asian countries show opposite association between meat and all-cause mortality than western countries
• Plant sources of vitamins and minerals are either in a non-bioavailable form or bound to other minerals that inhibit their absorption
• Vitamin C requirements are a lot less than we think
• Polyphenols are plant defense molecules
• What are free radicals?
• Polyphenols trigger our own antioxidant defenses but we can get these same responses with less damaging stressors like exercise, cold therapy, or sauna
• Sulforaphane can be harmful even if it does trigger a hormetic response
• Sulforaphane inhibits iodine absorption and can lead to hypothyroid
• Herbivores co-evolved with plants and have different strategies to deal with plant toxins than humans
• Fruits and vegetables have never actually been shown to have any benefit in humans in controlled studies
• Curcumin shows results in a test tube but there are no double blind placebo controlled clinical trials to show that it is beneficial
• When curcumin enters the body it is immediately detoxified and excreted
• Black pepper inhibits the detoxification of curcumin
• We should actively avoid black pepper
• Plants are not going to create the ideal micronutrient or antioxidant status in humans

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This is an interview I’ve been looking forward to for years. Dr. Dale Bredesen is shaking up the medical world by showing that Alzheimer’s actually can be prevented, treated, and sometimes even reversed. This is really important to me because my mom is the final stages of Alzherimer’s and I, of course, am doing everything I can to prevent myself from falling to the same fate.

I believe the Sapien way of eating and lifestyle is doing just that - setting me up for my best chances at my longest healthspan. You can learn more about this at http://sapien.org/diet

Dr. Bredesen and I agree on all the core principles. He really is describing a Sapien diet with his protocol. We’re only at odds with the ratio of plant foods to animal foods.

As I’ve posted today on social media, I think people are actually more on the side of animal foods than they think. In the context of a whole foods, low carb diet without refined grains, sugar or vegetable oil, more often than not people are getting the majority of their calories from animal foods without necessarily realizing it. Only people eating Standard American Diets or Mediterranean Diets and the like are getting most of their calories from plant foods from all the empty calories coming from grains and other carbohydrates.

Many health figures in this space say things like “a plant heavy diet” or “fill half your plate up with greens” and people take this as being akin to a vegetarian diet. As I showed in my post, a daily intake where about 70% of the plates are filled with plants are actually 92% animal foods by calories.

I actually eat this way a lot. This is carnivore adjacent and is part of the Sapien Framework. You’re still getting a ton of flavor, variety, and nutrients from plants (even though they’re not as bioavailable), but you're really getting 90% of your calories from animal foods. So make your own decision on the ratio of plant to animal foods, but from what I’ve found, higher animal foods is more species appropriate for homo sapiens, and is actually what most people avoiding empty calorie, nutrient poor foods are already doing.

As always, I didn’t want to press him on this. I don’t invite people on my podcast to tell them I don’t agree with their opinions. I’d love for this to be debated with a moderator at some point, but as long as it’s a 1 on 1 Peak Human podcast I’m letting the guest speak their minds.

Here’s a bit of Dr. Bredesen’s extensive resume. He received his undergraduate degree from Caltech and his medical degree from Duke. He served as Resident and Chief Resident in Neurology at UCSF, he was the Director of the Easton Center for Alzheimer’s Disease Research, he’s a Professor in the Department of Molecular and Medical Pharmacology at UCLA School of Medicine, and the Founder of the Buck Institute for Research on Aging.

The Bredesen Laboratory studies basic mechanisms underlying the neurodegenerative process, and the translation of this knowledge into effective therapeutics for Alzheimer’s disease and other neurodegenerative conditions, leading to the publication of over 220 research papers. He and his group developed a new approach to the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease, and this approach led to the discovery of subtypes of the disease, followed by the first description of reversal of symptoms in patients with MCI and Alzheimer’s disease, with the ReCODE protocol, published in 2014, 2016, and 2018. His book, The End of Alzheimer’s, is a New York Times Bestseller and has been translated into 29 languages.  

I’ll largely skip the plugs for today. Everyone listening knows about the Food Lies film on Indiegogo, the Patreon at http://patreon.com/peakhuman and my new grass fed meat company http://NoseToTail.org If you find any value in this podcast or my other content on YouTube or social media channels, please consider supporting me and my projects there. I wish I could really get across how much it means to me. It’s honestly the only way any of this is possible. Thanks so much, and I’ll most likely end season 3 with this episode and come back in a couple  weeks with an amazing season 4. Here’s the future legend, Dr. Dale Bredesen.

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SHOW NOTES

• Dr. Bredesen has been studying the phenomenon of Alzheimer’s Disease (AD) for 3 decades and have published over 200 papers on his research
• Understanding the fundamental nature of the disease is how we can design an effective treatment
• His protocol is different because it targets the root cause, not the symptoms like most AD drugs do
• Humans are extremely complicated and there is no one single therapy that will treat the complexity of AD
• AD is the result of the brain protecting itself from different insults
• The protective response in the brain causes the brain to shrink and “retreat” so that there is less for foreign substances (insults) to target
• Amyloids are antimicrobial, bind to toxins, and change the brain’s response to glucose but when they are overproduced and build up that’s when problems occur
• Some of the contributors to AD are: chronic inflammation, insulin resistance, glycation damage, toxin exposure, decrease in nutrients, hormones, trophic factors, poor vascular support
• He has identified and categorized 6 different types of AD: inflammatory, atrophic, glycotoxic, toxic, vascular, and traumatic
• Paraffin candles produce toxins that damage the brain
• Most damaging mycotoxins (produced from mold) are the ones you breathe - test your home for molds
• Go to www.survivingmold.com to learn how to test your home for mold and if you are concerned about mold exposure to learn about what to personally get tested
• For overall markers you should get tested, you can order tests directly from Dr. Bredesen’s site www.drbredesen.com or go to your doctor and test markers
• Markers for glycotoxicity: fasted insulin, HbA1c, and fasted glucose
• Markers for nutrients, hormones, and trophic factors: o   Vit. D, pragnenolone, progesterone, estradiol, testosterone, free T3 and free T4 (for thyroid), TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone), and reverse T3 (which is an inhibitor of the effect of your active thyroid hormone)
• Inflammation markers: HS-CRP, TNF-a, IL6, IL8, IL1-b
• Don’t wait until it’s too late to check for these things, because AD is preventable
• Glycotoxicity and how sugar is toxic
• Humans are not designed to eat sugar
• Overconsumption of sugar is linked to hypertension, CVD, diabetes, dementia, arthritic, leaky gut, and more
• Sugar is this generation’s smoking, we will get to a day when we think back to how crazy it was that we were eating this stuff
• We have biomarkers that will tell you whether AD is creeping up on you, so check early in life because you might not feel sick now, but that doesn’t mean it’s not on its way
• All these lifestyle and diet changes that you make to prevent AD, apply to so many other modern illnesses
• If AD runs in your family, you should be interested in prevention
• AD should be a rare disease
• APOE4 is the most common genetic risk factor
• If you have a single copy of APOE4 the risk is ~30%
• If you have a double copy of APOE4 the risk becomes greater than 50%
• For people with APOE4, find out early and get on prevention, and you will have a low chance of getting the disease
• 21st century medicine is about root cause and prevention
• There is no mono-therapy for AD
• Look out for symptoms of early cognitive decline like the lack of ability to learn new things, losing organizational skills, not being able to do simple calculations, not being able to find the right word, getting lost in familiar places
• Don’t shake these off as “senior moments”
• Basic things everyone can do: optimize insulin sensitivity, follow a low-carb, moderate protein, high (good) fat diet, exercise, get enough sleep, reduce stressors in your life, detox, avoid or fix any gut issues, go into periods of ketosis
• His diet plan is called “KetoFlex 12/3”
• “Keto” for going into periods of ketosis
• “Flex” because it is flexitarian, if you want to be a vegetarian or eat meat you can do either
• “12” because he wants people fasting for at least 12 hours between dinner and the next day’s first meal
• “3” because he wants people to finish eating at least 3 hours before they go to sleep
• The Big Four to avoid: grains, simple carbs, dairy, and lectins
• He has had amazing success with his patients and has been publishing results since 2014
• He has never had someone at risk come in for prevention and develop even mild cognitive impairment (MCI)
• People who come in with subjected cognitive impairment (SCI) see improvement
• People who come in with MCI the majority improve
• People with full-blown AD, some people improve and some people don’t
• He has had people score zero on cognitive tests that have improved
• The most important point of all of this is that if you get put on a drug for AD you might get a little bump but you fall back to declining again, his approach targets what is actually causing the decline, the people who get better sustain their improvement
• Complexity gap between the complexity of the problem (human illness) and the data sets that traditional medical doctors are using to treat them (aka we can’t expect a simple mono-therapy to treat a complex condition)
• Dr. Bredesen’s daughter is a brain health coach and you can find her at www.siabrainhealth.com
• His protocol includes sauna for riding the body of toxins
• We are swimming in an Alzheimer’s soup with the amount of toxins we are exposed to in our modern world
• Get rid of toxins by sweating (sauna and exercise), high fiber diet, optimizing glutathione levels, filtered water, urination, each one of these gets rid of different things
• If you have leaky gut, fix that
• The importance of sleep
• Current research on macular degeneration
• His new book coming out “The First Survivors of Alzheimer’s Disease” will be about people’s first-hand stories of people told they had no hope but used his protocol and got better and have kept themselves better
• The future of medicine will need to look at how humans were evolutionarily designed to live
• You are not powerless to AD, you have control over it
• We can reduce the global burden of dementia, we can fight cognitive decline
• Find Dr. Dale Bredesen at www.drbredesen.com
• His Facebook page https://facebook.com/drdalebredesen/

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Bobby leads development and communications for the Savory Institute - a global non-profit facilitating the large-scale regeneration of the world’s grasslands to address the root cause of food, water, and climate security. Since 2009, the Savory Institute has influenced management on over 39 million acres of desertifying grassland through its global network of 50 regional Hubs that train and equip farmers, ranchers, and pastoralist communities to utilize the land-regenerating potential of Holistic Management within their cultural and ecological context.

Savory’s new Land to Market program and Ecological Outcome Verification protocol connect verified regenerative supply to philosophically-aligned industries, bringing awareness and accessibility to products whose ecological footprint are a net positive for the planet.

Watch Bobby’s TEDx talk: “It’s Not the Cow, It’s the How”

SHOW NOTES:

• [6:50] Bobby used to be a biomedical engineer.
• [9:00] Nature is beautiful and fulfilling.
• [10:50] The tall grass prairie & ruminants.
• [14:10] Perennial roots dig deep for nutrients and water
• [16:10] We are an ecologically illiterate society
• [19:10] Healthy land requires grazing herbivores.
• [21:10] Only one-third of global agriculture land is arable
• [25:10] It’s not the cow, it’s the how.
• [32:10] Sometimes feeding grain to cattle makes sense.
• [38:10] Developing nations rely on livestock.
• [40:30] Follow the money.
• [46:10] Is big industry keeping people sick for profit?
• [49:50] Major hurdles for farmers and ranchers.
• [52:10] The system isn’t set up for nature-based practices.
• [56:10] The system incentivizes the industrial route.
• [1:00:10] Outcome-based regenerative practices
• [1:04:10] Ecological Outcome Verification.
• [1:07:10] The future of Nose To Tail.
• [1:10:10] The brittleness scale.
• [1:15:20] Overgrazing vs. Undergrazing.
• [1:21:10] After 70 years, Noble Research Institute went 100% regenerative.
• [1:24:10] The science supports regenerative agriculture.
• [1:28:10] https://savory.global/impossible-impact/

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Today we have Craig and Maria Emmerich who have a long history of contributing to the low carb community. They have done a ton of health consulting, speaking, writing of great books and cookbooks, and also built a large community around their blog and facebook. They have a lot of hands-on knowledge and experience working with people and with the ins and outs of implementing a great diet and healthy lifestyle.

We got into some interesting details that haven’t come up on the podcast before like oxidative priority, being censored by a TV news show, butter chuggers, keto babies, the science of high carb diets, the Failed Environment Metabolic State, keto desserts, and a lot more.

I just got back from our film tour when we recorded this, which will definitely be apparent during my frequent mentions of Mark Sisson. He’s a great guy and I want to be like him when I am in my mid 60s, running around with 20 years olds playing ultimate frisbee. His book Primal Blueprint got me started with all of this years ago and is a great read. He’ll be in the film along with a ton of great doctors and researchers. Please continue to support Food Lies on Indiegogo - we haven’t raised enough money to finish the film yet. By pre-ordering a copy or buying the “It’s what else you eat, not the meat” T-shirt you are directly helping this film’s creation and will be listed in the credits. We’re personally matching every dollar that is coming in, but we’re still behind. Thank you so much and here’s Maria and Craig.

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Show Notes:

• They live in rural Wisconsin and hunt and smoke ribs
• Halle Berry is a fan of Maria’s keto cookbooks
• They wrote a great book called Keto. https://www.amazon.com/Keto-Complete-Ketogenic-including-Simplified/dp/1628602821
• Oxidative priority: your body burns fuels in a specific order which is correlated to how much it can store of each, in reverse order
• Alcohol burns first, then exogenous ketones, protein, carbohydrate, and lastly fat
• Becoming fat adapted
• Many benefits, especially in athletics. Better mitochondrial efficiency
• Low carb longevity study and how bogus it is
• Quality of the fats and carbs are of utmost importance
• Studies show the majority of people lie in self-reported food studies
• Maria was asked not to talk about restricting cereal on a TV news show who’s major sponsor was a cereal company
• Nutrient density - animal foods far superior but because of the saturated fat and cholesterol they are demonized
• The sheath of our bones is made up of saturated fat
• When fat adapted you don’t lose muscle or bone mass when fasting
• Nutrient density!! It’s all about the animal products. Plants foods don’t hold a candle
• Obviously animal foods have way more bioavailable protein and nutrients as well
• People do keto wrong and make fat bombs and put butter in their coffee - you’re getting no nutrients and probably too many calories (you can overeat fat on keto)
• A piece of meat is naturally keto at about 70% fat
• Gluconeogenesis is a demand driven process
• If you eat too much protein and your insulin spikes it’s because you are insulin resistant
• If you’re insulin resistant, not only do you need to avoid carbs, sugar, and most fruit, but also too much fat with protein
• To reverse insulin resistance you need to shrink your fat cells so they aren't overstuffed and inflamed
• Can be skinny and still have diabetes
• To reverse you just need to get more fuel from your body than your diet
• Protein sparing modified fast - adequate protein, almost no carb, fat is a lever
• A lot of time a stall in weight loss is due to dairy consumption
• The great importance of sleep which even affects insulin resistance
• Unifying theory of nutrition
• Why is fat the preferred fuel source?
• How other diet work. Can a vegan diet work? Their experience with clients
• Vegans Maria works with trying to do keto are on antidepressants
• Protein from grains or soy can’t stimulate Mtor or muscle building
• Need complete proteins and amino acids (all found in animal products)
• Mother’s milk is high in cholesterol… so when does it become evil?
• Men lowering their cholesterol with statins often need Viagra
• Also, babies are constantly in ketosis for the breastfeeding years
• The label keto is kind of a fad right now, but the low carb high fat diet is the exact opposite of a fad and what we’ve been doing some version of it for all of human history
• Smart vegans understand it’s nutritionally inferior and say they wouldn’t do it while pregnant
• Vegan on the show Alone knew he had to eat animal foods to survive
• Fiber causes a lot of intestinal stress actually and we actually don’t even need it
• Make sure you’re getting enough salt - it isn’t bad
• How some people are able to tolerate carbs if they go low fat and whole foods enough
• It’s so hard to eat enough plant matter, vegans are basically just calorie restricting to lose weight or stay thin
• Ideal diet uses oxidative priority - eliminate a lot of the fuel sources, adequate protein, eat at a deficit without feeling hungry
• All diets come down to managing appetite
• Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels - you can have both eating this way
• Failed Environment Metabolic State
• Insulin, fat cells, and carb burners
• How do you execute this in modern society when everything is working against you?
• Maria made chipotle at home for half the cost and half the time it took for Craig to drive and get the real thing
• They make 15 racks of ribs at once and put them on the freezer
• There’s a perfect cross-section of foods I love and nutrient density, and it’s for a reason. Steak, salmon, eggs, sardines - delicious for a reason
• How to eat dessert and treats and still be healthy
• There’s some great sweeteners out there other than stevia like Swerve, and erythritol, and monk fruit
• Their awesome book is called Keto. https://www.amazon.com/Keto-Complete-Ketogenic-including-Simplified/dp/1628602821
• Their blog http://mariamindbodyhealth.com
• Other site
• http://keto-adapted.com
• https://twitter.com/MariaEmmerich and https://instagram.com/MariaEmmerich and https://facebook.com/ketoadapted

SHOW NOTES

• [9:13] The Terry Wahls protocol.
• [14:35] Humans are able to thrive on a wide variety of diets.
• [19:20] The importance of having metabolic flexibility for your physical and mental health.
• [28:00] The vast majority of plants are probably close to neutral for your health.
• [33:08] Processing food leads to dissociate the hormonal/metabolic/satiety response to food from the macronutrient profile.
• [36:32] If you put your body in the environment it expects and understands, your body will be able to function in its optimal state.
• [42:00] Tommy Wood’s work with Formula 1 drivers.
• [45:35] Blood work testing and metabolic health panels.
• [55:10] The importance of subjective quality of life.
• [58:55] Dr. Wood’s opinion on DNA testing.
• [1:03:04] ApoE4 is probably the one single gene that has the largest effect of penetrance on a disease.
• [1:14:10] Dr. Wood explains his current research.
• [1:17:25] What causes premature birth?
• [1:19:30] What can we do to keep our brain healthy?
• [1:23:25] How movement and exercise is going to be able to keep your brain healthy. 
• [1:30:38] Can you do a ketogenic diet and perform with full potential?
• [1:33:25] Is Uric acid bad and how it relates to gout.
• [1:36:35] Should you be afraid of fructose in your diet?
•  

Welcome back, everyone! I hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend and got a chance to soak up some sun, get some vitamin D, see friends and family, and eat some glorious meats. I know I did. 

If you're new to this podcast, I’m Brian Sanders and I'm making a film called Food Lies that goes to the beginning of human history to find out what we should be eating. We go through all the bad science that has led us astray, the new science that vindicates ancestral eating, and we even get into how we can eat meat in a not only sustainable way, but one that it is regenerative to the environment. All of these topics have been covered in the now 84 episodes of this podcast, so please start back at episode 1.

Today I’m talking to Professor Stu Phillips who is one of the world’s leading authorities on protein and muscle science. He shares vital information in this interview on long term health, short term health such as fat loss and muscle gain, as well as combating the multitude of protein myths out there.

Professor Phillips is the director of the Physical Activity Centre of Excellence (PACE), director of the  McMaster Centre for Nutrition, Exercise, and Health Research, and a Tier 1 Canada Research Chair in Skeletal Muscle Health in Aging. In addition to being a full Professor in Kinesiology, also Graduate Faculty in the School of Medicine at McMaster University. He is a fellow of the Canadian Academy of Health Sciences (FCAHS), American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) and the American College of Nutrition (ACN). His research is focused on the impact of nutrition and exercise on the mechanisms of human skeletal muscle protein turnover. He is also keenly interested in diet- and exercise-induced changes in body composition particularly in older persons.

While we’re on the topic of protein we all know the best sources are from grass finished, well-raised animals. Luckily that’s what we specialize in at http://NoseToTail.org that’s a little typographical humor for you there. You can get our extra-nutritious meat from our family farm in Texas delivered to your door as long as you're in the 48 contiguous United States. Our signature product is the Primal ground beef which includes liver, heart, kidney, and spleen, all without the hassle of incorporating them yourself. It also tastes great. I like to add a little seasoning to mine, but even if you don’t, it just tastes like a richer beef flavor. We have boxes that include a variety of cuts including the primal beef, sausage, beef bacon, and our premium boxes include bone meal for calcium (which you can add into the ground beef or use in bone broth), sardines (for more calcium and magnesium, among other things), and whole cod liver pieces in cod liver oil for vitamin A, D, and others. This is the full nutrient spectrum here! You even get marrow bones. Check out our great meats that are also great for the land at http://NoseToTail.org while supplies last. We’re still selling out each week so check in often!

And now please get your steak ready for this protein info extravaganza with Professor Stuart Philips.

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SHOW NOTES

• [6:50] Why protein is important for fat loss. 
• [8:00] How protein makes you feel full. 
• [12:20] Thermic effect of protein.
• [13:20] Recommended range of protein. 
• [18:05] Quality of protein matters. 
• [24:50] Difference between weight lost and fat loss.
• [35:10] What do you need to gain muscle? 
• [47:30] Low protein diets.
• [51:25] How to age gracefully and strongly.

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Luis is a smart and level-headed guy that doesn't get caught up in a lot of dietary dogma. He has been helping people lose weight and get in better shape for many, many years. He’s the cofounder of an awesome community called Ketogains. You need to google some photos of him to make sure you appreciate the advice he gives. He definitely is proving you can gain muscle on a keto diet even though most people believe you need a ton of carbs to do so. Take a listen and I think you’ll enjoy his simple message, which is definitely not just for people trying to get swole.

I’ve gained muscle on somewhat of a ketogenic diet over past 6 months and just released a video on youtube showing all the details because a lot of people have been asking about it. We also are back on Indiegogo with new “It’s what else you eat, not the meat” shirts and now unisex tank tops. We still need your support to make the Food Lies film happen. My production partner and I are matching every dollar that comes in, but we still have a ways to go to reach the full budget. Thanks so much and enjoy the episode.

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Show Notes

• Luis is the co-founder of KetoGains.com but it’s not all about bodybuilding. It’s more about nutrition and staying fit and many clients are middle aged women.
• It’s not only low carb all the time, but it’s usually better
• His story of being chubby as a kid, then skinny as a teen
• Used a low carb approach to gain muscle after college
• Fat is a lever
• His rhyme: Protein is a goal to make you grow, carbs are a limit to stay below, and fat is a fuel so you are not slow
• Don't chase ketones, chase results
• You don’t really need to be measuring ketone levels unless you are using keto in a therapeutic context to treat a disease
• What is the role of protein and how much do you actually need?
• Gluconeogenesis
• Just eat nutrient dense foods and don’t worry about counting calories or ketones
• Your body doesn't know what you are deficient in
• Can be malnourished and obese at the same time
• Answer is nutrient dense foods
• Can’t replace one bad habit with another
• At some point you have to reduce calories one way or another
• Our ancestors managed calories naturally
• Prehistoric fruits were much different in edible mass and lower sugar
• People thinking baked apple pie with agave is part of a healthy paleo diet
• Need to change your relationship with food
• Got no time for keto breads and cheats
• Food has become and entertainment industry. Scientifically developed to make you eat.
• Cheesecake exists - it's your job to eat it responsibly
• Cost is not an excuse - eating healthy can actually be cheaper
• Can easily eat for $5-7 per day
• Sardines are cheap, delicious, and super nutrient dense
• Luis’s best sources of protein and vegetables
• More efficient metabolism when very fat adapted and eating low carb for a long time
• Evolutionary perspective on getting the most energy from things we do
• You can pig out at a bbq and just make it a warrior meal and not have to eat again for 22 hours and you’ll be fine
• Intermittent fasting and condensed eating windows, or as he calls it “intelligent intermittent fasting”
• Training fasted is not good for building muscle
• Appropriate feasting after fasting
• Gaining muscle on a ketogenic diet
• Insulin is a nutrient transport signaling hormone
• Can you lose weight and/or remain thin while building muscle at the same time?
• What about people new to lifting weights?
• Compound lifts - multi-joint exercises.
• Bayesian Bodybuilding
• Can actually train every muscle group 5 times per week for more gains
• Training each muscle group separately is known as the “bro split”
• He has 3 routines that he cycles through, each focusing on a lift, but includes full body
• Cardio myths
• It’s way more about diet than exercise
• Going to failure?
• “That which cannot be measured, cannot be managed” using apps or notebooks to track weights and routines
• You need to push yourself each week and constantly be adding weight

Dr. Cate Shanahan is a board-certified family physician and expert in nutrition, focusing on the intersection of diet and metabolic health. She is the author of Deep Nutrition, The Fatburn Fix, and Dark Calories where she advocates for traditional diets rich in whole foods, emphasizing the benefits of healthy fats and nutrient-dense foods. With a background in biochemistry and genetics, Dr. Shanahan has dedicated her career to understanding how modern processed foods contribute to chronic disease and poor health outcomes. Her work has influenced numerous health professionals and individuals seeking to improve their well-being through dietary changes.

Hello there, we’re back for Season 6! I can’t wait to kick this off and I’m really sorry it took so long to arrive. I had a million things going on working on the Food Lies film back home in Hawaii and also when I got back to LA. Also a couple interviews fell through. I did focus on getting some more video content out on youtube, so check out the Food Lies channel. There’s a ton of short & sweet content to keep you educated and entertained! 

My number 1 goal of Peak Human is to have top quality informative content - quality over quantity. I also wanted to not have any conflicts of interest so I decided from day 1 to not have any sponsors. This also allows me to have top quality guests at my own pace. If I was making money per episode I’d have all kinds of random people on because I’d be incentivized to do so. Instead, I briefly mention my own projects and companies before each episode and have guests I really want to have on and take some time off if I need to.

So what’s going on with me? We made an epic intro to Food Lies that took months of planning and all kinds of resources. It’s a 4.5 minute piece with 130 shots, each which took many hours to prepare and shoot. This film is going to be something special. As I’ve said before, we could have rushed something out that was a B+ by last fall. We are going for an A+ (which might take a year longer). You can continue to support it’s costly creation on Indiegogo by clicking through http://foodlies.org The trailer is very outdated and was created with almost no budget - so it’s not representative of the final product. We’ll redo it at some point.

I also have been fired up about Nose to Tail. I served some of the grass finished primal ground beef with liver, heart, kidney, and spleen at the Meat-Up we had in West LA this past weekend. It was a huge hit and went very quickly. It’s so delicious - you don’t taste the organs - it just tastes like richer, more nutrient dense meat. Especially if you add a little seasoning in. We have all kinds of great stuff on http://NoseToTail.org that’s all sustainably and ethically raised, beyond organic, high omega 3, and extra tasty.

Per popular demand, I’ve been making some cooking videos and am just finishing my 15 minute workout routine video for Patreon members. I only work out 4 times per week for 15 minutes and have seen great results. If you go to http://patreon.com/peakhuman and join as a supporter you’ll get these private videos and also support this podcast and everything else I do. I really, really appreciate everyone who has stepped up and done this. I honestly turn down sponsors each and every week because I don’t want to promote other people’s products and get caught up in all that - even if I totally agree with what they’re selling! It’s just a few bucks per month at Patreon.com/peakhuman or click through the link in my Instagram bio. My instagram is where most of the action takes place daily. If you're not following there my handle is http://instagram.com/food.lies

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David R. Montgomery is a MacArthur Fellow and professor of geomorphology at the University of Washington. He is an internationally recognized geologist who studies landscape evolution and the effects of geological processes on ecological systems and human societies. An author of award-winning popular-science books, he has been featured in documentary films, network and cable news, and on a wide variety of TV and radio programs, including NOVA, PBS NewsHour, Fox and Friends, and All Things Considered. His books have been translated into nine languages. He also travels the country speaking and educating on regenerative practices.

I first caught wind of him from his excellent book DIRT: Erosion of Civilizations and am halfway done with his book Growing a Revolution. Listen to this interview and you’ll probably want to grab them both. He’s an awesome guy doing great things. Although soil seems like a boring topic, trust me, there’s a lot more to it, and a ton of great info in this interview. Without further ado, here’s Professor David Montgomery.

SHOW NOTES

(Need to add 4:20 to these timestamps to account for the intro)

• [4:15] Our main focus should be how we raise food, whether it is plant or animal based. [5:15] David explains gross biogeography and how it should influence us on how to feed the world.
• [6:18] How the modern factory method of raising livestock is destroying our soil. 
• [6:42] David explains how organic plant-based farms aren’t in the clear either.
• [8:40] “The nation that destroys its soil, destroys itself” - Franklin D. Roosevelt.
• [10:15] There has been a long history of agriculture soil degradation and erosion impacting ability of people living on the land.
• [11:42] Why big river flood plains are able to get away with constant farming.
• [18:00] Inca terraces and their fertile soil.
• [18:25] Terra Preta: black earth of the Amazon and Northern Europe soil.
• [21:30] Inclusion of charcoal and how it helps the soil.
• [27:30] The issue of tobacco and the erosion of soil it caused in the colonial years.
• [28:50] Difference of farming practices of the North compared to the South colonies.
• [30:22] Why David is shifting from being a pessimist about the world’s soil health into an optimistic.
• [34:40] Disparity between how fast we can degrade soil and create soil.
• [39:45] How farming started and the systems of cropping and animal husbandry. 
• [43:08] How diversified, smaller farms with plants and animals are much more efficient for food production compared to large scale industrial monocultures farms.
• [44:03] The role of regenerative farming in the quality of the food we eat.
• [51:20] No till farming and why it is so important for improving soil health (the first pillar of regenerative agriculture).
• [56:50] Research and incentives on regenerative farming and practices like it to restore soil health is clearly absent in our modern society.
• [1:00:45] What are cover crops and how they help with preventing soil degradation (the second pillar of regenerative agriculture).
• [1:02:29] The diversity of crops and the soil that it will bring (the third pillar of regenerative agriculture).
• [1:03:15] The role livestock plays in regenerative agriculture practices and how they are incredibly beneficial.
• [1:05:40] Nitrogen fixing microbes in the soil and how it works.
• [1:06:30] The relationship of plants, rocks, and fungi. 
• [1:10:00] Profitability of regenerative agriculture practices compared to conventional methods. 
• [1:15:10] Are we able to feed the US with regenerative farming practices?
• [1:17:40] What can we do to get to this idealistic future of regenerative farming and improving soil health? 
• [1:19:00] The farm bill and the structure of policies regarding agriculture.

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Are you guys ready for this? This episode is 7 months in the making and has a ton of interesting takeaways. We have ex-679 pound Jeff, a fruitarian college wrestler, and a woman who no joke looks like a completely different person.

First, I want to talk about how I make all this content possible - support from people like you. I appreciate it so much and it’s the only way I can do this. I’m living off my savings as I try to make the Food Lies film a reality. In the meantime I’m putting out as much content as I can to get the information out there. I get messages daily from people whose lives are changing through this info, so that’s really keeping me going. You can also support me by going to http://patreon.com/peakhuman and contributing there. Members will get the extended show notes and an invite to the private Slack group.

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Laura has tried every diet out there and has never found something sustainable. She lost half her body weight and looks great - people think her before and after photos are fake. Her story is inspiring and resonating with people - she went from 100 followers on Instagram when we first talked to just about 10,000 as of today! We recorded the first call in January and the 2nd call 6 months later in July.

I’ll post before and after pictures of each of these guests on social media and on the podcast episode page at Peak-Human.com

Next up is Jeff who lost 365 pounds by finally finding a carnivore diet. He tried every diet under the sun and nothing ever lasted. We had about 5 months in between calls as well.

Last up is Mike who is a division 1 college wrestler in the middle of competing. He was convinced that a fruitarian diet was the way to go based on information he found online about our primate ancestors. Such a different story than I’ve ever heard told. Stick around for this one and hear how he changed his diet and changed his body composition and life.

A quick announcement before we begin. I had some great talks with people at the Meat Up in San Diego, which was so much fun! It was packed and we even had Dr. Gary Fettke and his lovely wife Belinda in from Australia show up. They're the ones that tracked down the history of 7th day adventists and the anti-meat agenda - you can hear it on Peak Human episode 29. We also got some awesome interviews for the Food Lies film down there including the aforementioned Dr. Gary and Belinda, Nina Teicholz, Dr. Bret Scher, and Dr. Hassina Kajee. We’re finally done filming people! The countdown has begun for wrapping this up!

Anyway, I also had some great talks with some developers at the Meat Up about the great need for the sapien technology we’re developing. I realized we need some help. Building tech is slow going and we’d love to build a team of like minded individuals to speed up the process and expand on the platform. Email me at brian@sapien.org if you’re interested in helping.

So let’s get to it. I hope people like this new type of episode to change things up. I thought it was really interesting to hear these people’s stories so hopefully you find value in them as well. Here’s my first call with Laura Spath.

SHOW NOTES

Laura Spath

• She started by posting photos of her transformation on instagram which is how I found her 
• At her highest weight, she weighed 263lbs 
• She went low-carb/keto but still had cravings for other foods 
• Then she went carnivore and lost a total of 120lbs 
• When she was on keto should relied on low-carb sweeteners and packaged foods that never allowed her to get over her cravings 
• Carnivore was the first time she didn’t want to cheat 
• She has lost substantial amount of weight before but always ended up gaining back more, but with carnivore she has been consistent 
• She went vegan for a year, and was having a lot more health problems 
• She looks very healthy now, it’s helped her acne and body composition 
• She doesn’t see herself adding plant foods back into her diet because of how good she feels without them 
• Her husband has lost 110 pounds and reversed his diabetes and high blood pressure 

Follow up with Laura

• Since they last talked she is the same weight, which is a huge win because she has never found a diet that was sustainable
• Maintaining weight loss is a lot harder than losing weight
• Her body composition is improving vs losing weight on the scale
• She uses short-term goals to stay on track 
• She fears not being able to moderate herself where a cheat meal turns into a week or month 
• Staying strict is easier than tempting herself with moderation
• She had one cheat day and she gave herself no option but to get back on track and dealt with cravings for the next 2 weeks of mental cravings and stress it wasn’t worth it 
• Restriction gives her freedom from having to ration 
• Find Laura http://instagram.com/lauraespath

Jeff 

• Went from weighing 679lbs to 343lbs 
• He got to his highest weight over the course of 30 years 
• He has tried every weight loss strategy and diet, he even has gastric bypass surgery 
• He has lost weight in the past but would always gain it back 
• He couldn’t continue to live as a prisoner to his body and knew he had to change
• The first big moment when he knew he needed to change was laying face down in the middle of the living room and couldn’t get up
• He now goes to the gym regularly 
• He started on a ketogenic diet and transitioned to a more carnivore diet and now follows a hyper-carnivore diet 
• He was doing ok with very-low carb/keto but when he started carnivore he dropped another 40-50 pounds in a very short period of time 
• The carnivore diet and his rapid weight loss triggered the formation of gallstones 
• The carnivore diet caused him to eat less and it was easy for him to intermittent fast 
• Fat shaming and loving yourself 
• No one is happy being fat 
• Love yourself enough to strive to be healthier 
• His biggest piece of advice: Do what works for you 

Follow up with Jeff 

• Had a major sugar binge on his birthday and is experiencing a terrible time physically and mentally 
• Weight now is 314 
• Scale doesn’t move as much but body composition is improving 
• Still on a hyper-carnivore diet 
• Protein is what he prefers eating because it keeps him satiating 
• If he was eating carbs he would always be looking for what’s next to eat 
• Lean meat doesn’t satiating, he has realized that he needs fat to keep him full 
• His advice remains the same, find something that works for you that you can stick to 
• He has a skin reduction surgery in the future 
• Find Jeff http://twitter.com/fatboybeastmode

Mike 

• D1 wrestler at Rutgers University 
• Always had to go through periods of cutting weight so he was searching for a way to cut weight and still feel good 
• He started his “health” journey as a raw vegan after gaining a lot of weight after his season 
• He was following a very high-fruit diet 
• He wasn’t performing well and has aches and pains 
• He just started incorporating animal protein back into his diet 
• He lost muscle on a raw vegan diet 
• He felt like he always had to be eating on a raw vegan diet and that he was always bloated 
• Just 2 weeks of adding beef and eggs into his diet he could see more muscle definition
• He feels stronger now 
• Eating big salads ruined his performance because it was just so much food volume wise 
• As soon as he introduced eggs into his diet he had one of his best practices 

Follow up with Mike 

• He is now on a high meat diet with a little bit of fruit and vegetables 
• He competed on a high meat diet and placed in the top 12 out of 140 participants 
• His body composition has changed completely and he is way stronger now 
• He is deadlifting 420 with a body weight of 165
• He’s noticed huge improvements with his skin and doesn’t experience eczema flare ups that he used to on a raw vegan diet 
• His libido has done a complete 180
• The raw vegan community convinces people that their health problems are normal and makes up justifications for them 
• He has a lot more energy now 
• He doesn’t have to eat as frequently throughout the day 
• He likes to know both sides of the argument (vegan and carnivore) but he is much more convinced now that we should be eating meat 
• Find Mike http://instagram.com/mike_vanbrill

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