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Ty Evans, along with his wife Skye, owns and operates TS Mules. Ty has made a name for himself in the mule world as a clinician and trainer. Originally from Utah, Ty grew up around mules and horses and was later influenced by teachers such as former podcast guest, Brad Cameron. Today, Ty travels the country with his family teaching "mulemanship" clinics in addition to online teaching, writing articles and producing a podcast. Ty joins Ben and Joe to visit about his unique lifestyle and his horsemanship philosophy. You can find out more about Ty and his business by going to https://tsmules.com/ or following TS Mules on Instagram and Facebook.

Dana Glass is a horseman from Wellington, Florida. Dana and his wife, Dressage Olympian Kasey Perry-Glass, both work with horses for a living. Dana did not grow up around horses, but at the end of his collegiate baseball career he was recruited to work on a large guest ranch in Colorado. Though it wasn’t always the easiest work, this job spurred Dana’s passion for working with horses and starting colts. Dana once again had a pivotal moment in his education when he was introduced to the horsemanship of former guests such as Buck Brannaman, Joe Wolter and Buster Mclaury. Since then, Dana has been pursuing good horsemanship through his work. Today, Dana works with colts all the way up to Olympic level show horses. Join Ben and Joe as they learn about Dana’s fascinating horsemanship journey.

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Damien is a horse trainer from England. Originally from Ireland, Damien has built his business from the ground up. While working as a groom, he discovered that most folks around him worked around horse problems, rather than fixing them. This led Damien to study horsemanship and begin searching for how to work with a horse. After working for several different trainers from across the globe, Damien was able to start full time on his business in northern England. Tune in for an interesting conversation about what it’s like to be a horse trainer and business owner in the UK.

Cary Schwarz has been a saddle maker for over 40 years and is a founding member of the Tradition Cowboy Arts Association (TCAA). The TCAA is a non-profit dedicated to preserving and promoting the traditional cowboy crafts, such as saddle making. Cary joins Ben and Joe to discuss his career and involvement in the TCAA. Topics discussed include the founding of the TCAA, the balance between form and function, and what it means to be an artist.

Zöe Chappelear is a horse trainer from Burbank, Oklahoma. The wife of former guest, Derek Chappelear, Zöe runs her business out of K Barr C Ranch. Zöe joins Joe to share the story of her horsemanship education, the growing of her business and her goals for the future. Topics discussed include getting wholistic education in the horse industry, what it looks like to grow a training business and the importance of letting horses think for themselves.

Loncey Johnson is a saddle maker and cowboy from Dillon, Montana. From an early age, he had an interest in leather working. Loncey started his saddle making career in his teenage years and has continued to grow his business ever since. Ben and Joe sit down with Loncey to discuss his perspective as a younger saddle maker and how he balances tradition with new style and design. Topics discussed include growing your business, what makes a good using saddle and how western saddle trends have changed with the modern cowboy.

Ben and Joe sit down to talk about their personal and professional development. Topics discussed include starting client horses, understanding your personality and time management. Join Ben and Joe as they work to have a better understanding of what it means to be truly disciplined in pursuit of your craft.

Ben and Joe sit down for a solo episode to celebrate and reflect on making it to 100 episodes. They reflect on how the podcast and their time in the horse business has changed them. Topics discussed include the importance of not rushing to judgement, the power conversation has to build empathy and understanding, and what it means to be an onlooker versus the man in the arena. Join Ben and Joe as they celebrate this milestone and look forward to hundreds of more episodes thanks to listeners like you!

Lauren Trager-Burns is a Clinical Assistant professor at the Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine. Her residency was in Equine Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation. Today she currently practices on performance horses from both the English and Western disciplines. Joe and Lauren sit down to discuss her career, equine orthopedics and recovery. Topics discussed include working with off the track thoroughbreds, the best recovery tools for your horse and the importance of a proper warmup.

Ben and Joe catch up with and share their thoughts and struggles from their day to day. Topics discussed include personal fitness, horse health, managing time and dealing with clients.

Kyle Noyce is a reined cow horse trainer from Blanchard, Oklahoma. Kyle grew up in Northern Minnesota, and despite not coming from "horse family", he has always had a passion for working with horses. Today, Kyle is a well known trainer in the NRCHA. Kyle joins Ben and Joe to share his journey of learning to work with horses by "diving in the deep end" and how an extended hiatus from horse training allowed Kyle to come back to the sport with a better perspective and the right motivation. Topics discussed include how to lead a training program, what makes a trainer successful in reined cow horse, and the importance of approaching horse showing the right way.

Dr. Deb Bennett is the founder of The Equine Studies Institute. Her Ph.D. in Vertebrate Paleontology and love of horses has led her to be highly respected for her understanding of confirmation and equine biomechanics. Deb joins Ben and Joe to discuss her journey, her time spent with Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance, and the always popular topic of bending a horse.

Jaton Lord is a Reined Cow Horse Trainer from California. Jaton was exposed to the horse world through the help of his grandfather, Ray Hunt. As a teenager, Jaton travelled the world with grandpa Ray, riding colts and getting exposed to thousands of horses and riders. When he came of age, Jaton opted to start his career in the performance horse industry. Jaton joins Joe to share his journey of cowboying, showing and helping people with their horses. Topics discussed include the relationship between horsemanship and horse showing, the importance of not forcing things to happen, and what it takes to be successful in the horse business.

Bryan Neubert is a horseman, clinician and rawhide braider from Alturas, California. He grew up on a ranch in California where she met his neighbor, Bill Dorrance. Bill would go one to teach Bryan and introduce him to Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance. These three mentors would have a profound impact on Bryan’s life. Today, Bryan teaches horsemanship clinics all over the country in an effort to share what he has learned. Ben and Joe sit down to discuss horsemanship, working through problems and the relationship Bryan had with his mentors.

Bruce MacLarty is a world renowned polocrosse coach who has led South Africa to two World Cup Championships. In South Africa, Bruce operates his farm which includes raising sheep, cattle and horses which are trained for the purpose of polo and polocrosse. Ben and Joe sit down with Bruce to better understand what has made him successful in the worlds of horses and sport. Topics discussed include making and selling horses, mental toughness and what it means to be a winner.

Ben and Joe sit down to talk about their past couple weeks on the road and where they have been drawing inspiration from. Topics discussed include the joy of finding truth, the power of storytelling and the value of putting in the work.

Joe Wolter is a well known horseman and clinician. Joe was born and raised in California and grew up around horses. He went on to work for Ray Hunt, learn from Tom And Bill Dorrance and work for the 6666 ranch in Texas. Ben and Joe discuss horse showing, cattle dogs and how your attitude affects the stock you’re working with.

Ben and Joe sit down to discuss the difference between hard work and SUSTAINABLE hard work. There is a fine line between dedication to your goals and an unbalanced life. Ben and Joe discuss their personal struggles with that balance and learning to “treat themselves the way they’d treat an employee”. Tune in for a discussion between two entrepreneurs in the equine industry as they look to find a better understanding of how to pursue their craft.

Alicia Landman is a horsemanship instructor from Nashville, TN. Ben and Joe sit down with Alicia in person to chat about horses, wine and personal growth. Topics discussed include selling horses, learning new skills and effectively helping people with their horses.

Dr. Deb Bennett is the founder of the Equine Studies Institute. For over three decades, Dr. Bennett has used her PhD in Vertebrae Paleontology and her passion in horses to help educate people on biomechanics. Dr. Bennett joins Ben and Joe to discuss another hot button item in the horse world: collection. The conversation starts with Asian horsemen from thousands of years ago and ends with modern day disciplines and how collection is used. Topics discussed include what is high collection, what has been mistaken for collection in the past and why collection ultimately boils down to a coiling of the horses loins. Tune in for an incredibly interesting discussion on a hot button issue in the horse world.

Max Young is a trainer and breeder from Estacada, Oregon. Max, along with his father, breeds and sells McCurdy Plantation horses, a lesser known gaited breed. In his early adulthood Max took a unique approach to finding his roll in life by deciding to spend 5 years chasing different things that interested him. His travels took him all over the American west, Hawaii, and Nashville. Ben and Joe sit down with Max to talk about his current operation and the unique path that got him there. Topics discussed include gaited horses, riding for the public and how to discover your true passions in life.

Stephen Yellowtail is a rancher from Wyola, Montana. Known for his appearance on Ultimate Cowboy Showdown, Stephen has also done work as a stunt rider for projects such as Lawmen: Bass Reaves and Yellowstone 1883. Stephen joins Ben and Joe to share his journey from college basketball player, to rancher, to professional stuntman. Topics discussed include horsemanship, stunt riding, and the importance of being open to new opportunities.

Ben and Joe sit down to discuss their thoughts from their most recent clinic. Topics discussed include how to apply horsemanship ideas, giving the horse freedom to choose, and the importance of having goals. Tune in for a fun, philosophical conversation about the journey of horsemanship.

Tommy Kilgore is a farrier from Morris, Oklahoma. He has worked on some of the highest earning performance horses of all time for the last 20+ years. Recently Tommy has started doing clinics to help farriers and horse owners understand the fundamentals he used to keep the whole horse in balance. Ben and Joe sit down with Tommy to discuss his shoeing philosophy and the current state of the farrier industry.

Nicole Poyo Brennan is a photographer from Bruneau, Idaho. She has an impressive portfolio that captures the spirit of the horse and the western lifestyle. Among other achievements, Nicole’s work has been featured on multiple cover is Western Horseman Magazine. Ben and Joe sit down with Nicole to find out what motivated her to become a western photographer and how she found such success within the industry.

Jayde Slade is a horse trainer, clinician and team roper from Arkansas. Jayde joins Ben and Joe to discuss the sport of team roping and share his journey of becoming a trainer in the performance horse space. Topics discussed include the value of a foundation on a performance horse, the current state of the sport of team roping, and the importance of passion in the pursuit of your dreams.

Cliff Williamson, who spent 7 years as the Director of Health and Regulatory Affairs for the American Horse Counsel, rejoins the podcast to discuss the feral horse issue in the United States. Ben and Joe discuss the history of horses in North America, how horse was phased out of the American diet and potential solutions to the wild horse problem. Tune in for an interesting episode about one of the American horse industry’s most controversial topics.

Michelle Serna is a social media influencer and co-founder of Bridle. Known for her Tik Tok presence as Broke Ass Horse Girl, Michelle is a successful young entrepreneur in the horse industry. Originally working in tech in silicone valley, Michelle has returned to her roots of rodeo and rural living. Today, among other things, she works on Bridle, an application geared towards helping horse trainers with their business. Topics discussed include being true to yourself, the importance of change, and the current state of the horse industry.

Chas Weldon is a saddle maker from Billings Montana. Chas has over 40 years of saddle making experience and a deep understanding of the history of the wade saddle. Topics discussed include how to become a saddle maker, the changes in the leather working industry, and the unique design choices Chas makes on his saddles.

John Stewart has spent 20+ years in marketing and fundraising. He has been an executive at organizations such as The Boy Scouts of America, Gaylord Entertainment and the Indy Racing League. Along with his impressive professional career, John is also an avid horseman. His horsemanship journey started when he met past guest Rocky Quinn and later, Buck Brannaman. John has been all over the world to explore different horse cultures and his passion for both the horse and the people who work with them is evident. Join Ben and Joe as they discuss a multitude of subjects including branding, education and culture.

Mary Brannaman is a wife, mother and rancher from Sheridan, Wyoming. She is married to former podcast guest, Buck Brannaman. Mary manages the couple’s ranch in Sheridan while Buck is on the road. Mary joins Ben and Joe to discuss the Brannaman horse herd, the challenges of maintaining a ranch and her family history. Tune in for a fun conversation filled with excellent stories and wonderful life lessons.

Ryley Miller is a competitive horse driver from Pennsylvania. She currently competes at the FEI 2 Star level. FEI driving operates similar to three day eventing. It consists of three phases, Dressage, Marathon and Cones. Ryley joins Ben and Joe to educate them on this discipline and share her journey as a young driver making her way to the upper echelon of the sport. Topics discussed include the format of driving competitions, the horses and gear used in driving and the challenges of being a young competitor at a high level.

Ben and Joe return from their winter break to discuss what’s new for them, their business and their horses. Topics discussed include social media, blanketing, and getting started on your horsemanship journey.

Josey Wales (his nickname that was affectionately bestowed upon him by the 6666s cowboys) came to the US for the first time in 2017. Ever since he was young, Josey wanted to be a cowboy. However, he was not born in the heart of Texas, rather the rural hills of Wales. After graduating from university, Josey decided to pursue his boyhood dream of cowboying and went to Texas. This led him to the 6666s ranch of all places where he would meet cowboys such as former guest, Dusty Burson, and cowboy legend, Boots O’Neal. Though the road wasn’t easy and the learning curve was steep, Josey continues to pursue the craft of cowboying today. Join Ben and Joe as they sit down with Josey to discuss this tale of determination, toughness and a man who is turning himself into a true Texas cowboy, despite the odds.

Tina Butler is an equine physio who has worked all over the world with FEI equine athletes.  Tina has had a number of accomplishments in her career, including being the physio for the 2008 American Show Jumping Team that won the gold medal at the Beijing Olympics.  Ben and Joe discuss massage therapy, equine nutrition, and much more.

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Gene Armstrong was a professional farrier for over 59 years. He spent 35 years as a professor at Cal Poly University in San Luis Obispo. Gene served as the instructor of the professional Farrier Science class for 25 years and also taught many of the equine classes, including the colt starting class. Topics discussed include teaching horsemanship in an academic setting, applying horsemanship to farrier work and the principles Gene has learned from his various teachers.

Sam Cockburn is a steeplechase trainer and Jockey from Middleburg, VA. Sam grew up surrounded by the steeplechase industry that is father was involved in. Today Sam pursues his goals of making successful steeplechase horse. Join Ben and Joe as they sit down with Sam to learn about the American Steeplechase industry and what it takes to be successful. Topics discussed include the confirmation needed for longevity in racing, the difference between hurdle and timber racing and what it takes to prepare a horse to be accurate to a jump while putting forth such large physical exertion. Tune in for a fun conversation about an industry rich in tradition and excitement.

Reata Clark, daughter of former guest, Buck Brannaman, works with her family at the OW Land and Cattle Company. She and her husband also own Clark Ranch Horses & Performance Prospects. Reata joins Ben and Joe to discuss her upbringing, her family and her keys to success within the horse industry. Topics discussed include producing sale horses, raising kids around animals and Reata’s time teaching the colt starting class at Montana State University.

Joel Conner is a horseman and clinician from Ellensburg, Washington. He has learned from notable horseman such as Ray Hunt, Buck Brannaman and Ricky Quinn. Ben and Joe discuss Joel’s horsemanship journey, helping others learn and how to find areas of self improvement.

Tommy Kilgore is a farrier and clinician from Morris, Oklahoma. Tommy has made a living shoeing everything from backyard kid ponies to high end western performance horses. Graduating from Oklahoma Farrier's College at the age of 17, Tommy had the opportunity to be mentored by the legendary Bud Beaston. For over 35 years Tommy has worked to continue his education and improve on every aspect of his work, from the routine trim, to corrective shoeing. Today, in addition to his farrier work, Tommy travels the country teaching clinics to help people trim and shoe in a way that better helps the horse. Join Joe as he sits down to learn more about Tommy's story and his goals for the future.

Cliff Williamson spent eight years working for the American Horse Council as the Director of Health and Safety Affairs. Ben and Joe are joined by Cliff to discuss thoroughbred racing in the United States. Topics discussed include horse safety, racing economics and how horse racing affects other sectors of the equine industry.

Kathy Knox is a stock dog trainer from Missouri. Her and her husband (former guest Jack Knox) travel the country helping people learn to work stock and better communicate with their dogs. Kathy joins Ben and Joe to share her journey. Topics discussed include being confident in your identity, learning to focus on a job and the importance of awareness.

Curt Pate is a clinician from Ryegate, Montana. Curt is known for his colt starting and stockmanship demonstrations across the United States. Ben and Joe discuss riding for the public, stockmanship, bending horses and much more.

Paul Van Dyke is a saddle maker and horse trainer from Sheridan Wyoming. Originally from Michigan, Paul always had a love of the western arts and lifestyle. As a teenager, the course of his life would be changed when he took a trip to Sheridan, Wyoming and met Don Butler. In the Spring of 1997 Paul went to work for Don to learn the art of saddle making. From there, Paul began to carve out a life in the area, riding colts and cowboying in the summer and building saddles in the winter. Today Paul continues to make saddles and train horses in addition to teaching saddle making courses. Join Joe as he sits down with Paul to discuss saddle making, the art of teaching and the unique, rich history of the Sheridan style of leather work.

Dougie Hall is an social media influencer, public speaker and the owner of Good Medicine Bucking Horses. Dougie lives in Browning, Montana on the Blackfoot Indian Reservation. Today, Dougie gives back to his community through his public speaking. He believes it's important to share his story to help inspire young natives to overcome the generational trauma that can often be common in their communities. In addition to his public speaking, Dougie breeds bucking horses. A passion he learned from his uncle, Mouse Hall. Dougie joins Ben and Joe to share his story and talk about his perspective on leading a fulfilling and enriching life.

Skye Clark is a rancher, photographer and entrepreneur from western Wyoming. Topics discussed include running cattle on federal land, how to get into ranching, and the values of the western lifestyle.

Roby Moreland is a horse trainer based in Weatherford, TX. Ben and Joe sit down with Roby again to discuss how his program and horsemanship has progressed. Topics discussed include fitness, soundness and developing a more wholistic approach to becoming a better horseman.

Ben and Joe record a solo episode to wrap up 2023. Topics discussed include a 2023 NFR recap, the importance of love in your craft, and reflection on the podcast in 2023. Thank you to everyone who has supported us this year, and we are excited to see where we go in 2024 as we stay On The Move!

Sarah Quinn is a wife, mother and horsewoman from North Platte, Nebraska. Sarah is married to previous podcast guest, Ricky Quinn. Ben and Joe discuss equine diet, stomach ulcers, and moving to Nebraska from the eastern United States. Tune in for a vibrant conversation with Sarah Quinn!

Ben and Joe sit down to catch up and talk about Joe’s trip to the colt starting clinic at Houlihan Ranch in Sheridan, Wyoming. Topics discussed include western cinema, the civil war and starting colts.

Carlos Macías is a maker of chaps, chinks and armitas from northern California. In the year 2000 Carlos created one of the first online stores for cowboy gear and tack called The Lost Buckaroo. Now called The Buckaroo Gear, Carlos’ store is well known throughout the California/Buckaroo/Horsemanship world as a provider of quality goods. Carlos is also a well known maker of leggings, particularly armitas, which he has helped to re-popularize in the industry. Carlos joins Ben and Joe to discuss the genesis of his business, his growth as a maker and what he feels has been his keys to success.

This week on On the Move, Ben and Joe chat with Chris Dickinson, a renowned Western photographer known for his hands-on approach to capturing powerful, iconic images. Driven by a passion for creative exploration, Chris goes to great lengths to get the perfect shot, often in challenging conditions. Inspired in his youth by National Geographic and LIFE magazines, Chris now captures intimate, authentic moments with the people of the American West, gaining unique access to ranches and families. His work has been featured in top publications like American Quarter Horse Association, Cowgirl Magazine, and Western Horseman, and in ad campaigns for brands like KFC and Choice Hotels. Based in Utah, Chris also leads photography retreats for aspiring photographers. Discover his work on Instagram and Facebook and listen to him now here on On the Move.

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Chris Turnbull manages a station for the Lansdowne Pastoral Company in Tambo, Queensland, Australia. Chris grew up in rural Queensland and was raised up in station life. Today Chris uses dogs, horses, and his crew to manage sheep and cattle in the Australian outback. Chris joins Ben and Joe in person to discuss horsemanship, stock dogs and life in the Australian bush.

Travis Burns is an Associate Professor of Practice and Chief of Farrier Services for the Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine. Travis Burns, the first guest ever on the podcast, returns to talk about the state of the farrier industry. Topics discussed include aluminum horse shoes, glue on horse shoes, 3D printed horse shoes and much more.

Ben and Joe sit down to reflect on their failed attempts to connect this weeks guest to the recording studio. The duo have a deep dive conversation on neutering cats and the dangers of institutional knowledge. Topics discussed also include catching horses in Mongolia and the dangers of young men in rural areas.

Brad Cameron has worn many hats including outfitter, packer, mule man, clinician, rancher and leatherworker. Brad spent 20 years teaching mulemanship clinics across the United States. Today he runs The Bridle Horse Shop where he is known for his strap work, including high quality head stalls. Topics discussed include bridle mules, leatherwork and what it takes to become good at your craft. Check out Brad’s leatherwork at www.bridlehorsegear.com

Aaron Vale is one of the most accomplished American show jumpers of all time. He has over 200 Grand Prix wins. Aaron holds the records for the most Grand Prix wins in a year, most double clear rounds in a year, and most money won in a year. Ben and Joe sit down with Aaron to learn more about the path to his success and the unique business model Aaron has compared to some of his peers. Topics discussed include Aaron’s early career with horses, developing a Grand Prix show jumper and the work ethic needed to reach the top of the sport.

Dr. Bill Barnes is an orthopedic surgeon from Forsyth, Georgia. After seeing the equestrian events at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, Bill was inspired to start riding horses. This eventually led him to pursue horsemanship and find his mentor and friend, Buck Brannaman. Today, Bill owns Stony Creek Ranch where he helps others pursue horsemanship through lessons, clinics and an internship program. Ben and Joe discuss Bill’s pursuit horsemanship, his perspective on getting better, and how each person has a journey in horsemanship that is unique to them.

Joe and Ben sit down to discuss the recent controversy with Charlotte Dujardin, an Olympic Dressage rider from the UK who withdrew from the Paris Olympics after a video was exposed of her whipping a student's horse 24 times in a row. The Dujardin controversy has sparked a lot of discussion in the equine world and has sparked a larger audience with some even calling for the banning of equine events in the Olympics. Joined by their friend, Noelle Hasler, Ben and Joe discuss the details of Charlotte's video, the international response and how it impacts the larger equine community.

Emily Kitching is the president of Eclectic Horseman Communications Inc. Her company is responsible for Eclectic Horseman Magazine and the Horseman’s Gazette video series. Emily joins Ben and Joe to discuss how Eclectic Horseman has evolved from when she started the publication over 20 years ago. Topics discussed include the role of media in horsemanship, starting and running a business, and how to seize new opportunities when they present themselves.

Jack Knox is a world renowned trainer of stock dogs. Originally from Scotland, Jack came to the Inited states in the 1970s at the age of 31. Today, he and his wife, Kathy, travel the country putting on stock dog clinics. Jack joins Ben and Joe to discuss his remarkable journey that started with a young boy who always wanted to be a sheperd. Topics discussed include the importance of making mistakes, what motivates a winner and what is required to be happy.

Buck Brannaman is a world renowned horseman and clinician. Buck has been doing clinics all over the United States and Internationally for over 40 years and has started over 10,000 colts. Buck joins Ben and Joe to discuss his career and perspective on the horse industry today. Topics discussed include animal psychics, Ray Hunt, making a career in horses and what it means to truly dedicate yourself.

Scot “Indy” O’Connor is the head trainer at the Arizona Wild Horse and Burro Inmate program. Indy works for the state of Arizona in conjunction with the federal government to take wild horses and burros and start them using inmates from the Arizona Correctional Industries. Indy joins Ben and Joe to share the story that led him to finding this role. Topics covered include getting started in horsemanship, the impact a horse can have on human and how Scot came to have his famous nickname, Indy.

Sarah Quinn is a wife, mother and horsewoman from North Platte, Nebraska. Sarah is married to previous podcast guest, Ricky Quinn. Sarah joins Ben and Joe to discuss a wide variety of topics including self improvement, staying true to yourself and equine fitness. Tune in for an awesome conversation with the one and only, Sarah Quinn.

Jack LaTorre is the founder of Equibody Fitness, a fitness company that seeks to teach riders how to use fitness to improve their riding. Jack is a dressage rider who found himself struggling with stiffness as his riding increased. Fortunately, he was able to resolve his issues through gaining strength, flexibility and mobility. Ben and Joe discuss what inspired Jack to start his business, the concepts he uses for training, and the role fitness plays in one’s riding ability.

Gary Myers is a rancher, breeder and horseman from Ennis, Montana. Gary grew up in Montana with a ranching background and has been a long time friend of previous guest, Buck Brannaman. Today he works on the north slope of Alaska in the oil fields. He also runs his ranch in Montana where he breeds quarter horses and runs cattle. Gary joins Ben and Joe to discuss his breeding program, his history with Buck, and his growth in horsemanship. Topics covered include breeding and selecting for bridle horses, life in the oil fields and fly fishing.

Hunter Holloway is an American show jumper based out of Topeka, Kansas and Ocala, Florida. In 2016 Hunter won the Maclay Championships and the Washington International Equitation Championship. Hunter now travels the US to compete at the highest levels of show jumping. Most recently she finished 3rd place finish at the 2023 World Cup Finals. Join Ben and Joe as they talk with Hunter about how she develops world class horses and what it takes to be a competitor at that level.

Nevada Miller is a talented silversmith, jeweler, and founder of the Be A Maker School. Raised in California, Nevada grew up immersed in entrepreneurship and craftsmanship, learning valuable lessons from her parents that shaped her work ethic and dedication.

Nevada shares how her upbringing influenced her journey as an artist and entrepreneur, inspiring her to create the Be A Maker School—a platform where students can learn directly from skilled craftspeople in fields like saddle making, rawhide braiding, leatherworking, and jewelry making. She also reflects on her experience adapting to life in a small, rural town in southern Nevada as a young woman fresh out of college.

Jon Binninger is a horseman, father, husband and the owner of Land Grove Coffee Company. Jon and his family live in Idaho where, when they aren’t running the family business, they are starting colts, roping and packing. Jon tells the story of how his family was introduced to horsemanship and the impact it has had on their lives. Join Ben and Joe as they talk with Jon about growing a business, horsemanship, and the struggle for self improvement.

Matt Palmer is a top 20 NRHA professional from Elverson, Pennsylvania. He has pursued a career training reining horses and currently has over $800,000 of life time earnings. Matt joins Ben and Joe to discuss the world of high end reining and performance horses. Topics discussed include the timeline of developing a reining horse, how to be a competitor with an equine partner and the growth reining has experienced on the last 5 years.

Nicole Cunningham is an equine vet from Camden, SC. After attending vet school in the UK, Nicole returned to the United States and worked for a prominent equine practice in Camden for two decades. Nicole now works as an independent veterinary specialist, utilizing both traditional and non-traditional medicine to help horses. Nicole joins Ben and Joe to share her journey and give her take on the state of equine veterinary medicine in the United States.

Scott and Andrea Van Leuven live in Lovelock, Nevada. Scott is the cow boss at the C Punch Ranch, a million acre ranch with one fence. They operate on a harvest model, meaning they never pull out their bulls and they calve year round. This model creates a unique job description for Scott and Andrea who consistently rope and work cattle in the open. The Van Leuven's join Ben and Joe to talk about their day to day on the C Punch and how they have seen ranching change over their careers. Topics discussed include how in the introduction of Angus cattle has influenced stockmanship, the type of horses required for long days in rural Nevada, and the practical use of traditional buckaroo roping.

Joe sits down with Max Morin, a reining horse trainer based in Aubrey, Texas, who’s built a name for himself developing top-tier 2-year-old prospects. Originally from France, Max’s love for horses started young—even when he had to learn from horsemanship videos in a language he barely understood. He shares how he made it to the U.S., landed a job with legendary trainer John Lyons, and eventually carved out a place of his own in the performance horse world.

Max opens up about his journey, the mentors who shaped his horsemanship—like John & Josh Lyons and Nick Dowers—and how he’s now focused on blending strong fundamentals with elite performance. It’s a story of grit, passion, and the pursuit of excellence in and out of the arena.

Nick Dowers is a horseman, rancher and NRCHA Million Dollar Rider from Dyer, Nevada. Nick’s interest in working with horses started when he went to Feather River College where he was exposed to the horsemanship ideas of well know clinicians, such as past guest, Bryan Neubert. After college Nick transitioned from colt starting and horsemanship to the show pen where he found a great amount of success. In 2013 Nick won the NRCHA Snaffle Bit Futurity Open Championship. Nick joins Ben and Joe to discuss the roadmap to his success including his training program, his mentors and the attitude he feels has brought him success in the equine industry.

Rodney Allison is a master hat maker. He runs North Valley Hat Company in Salem, Oregon. He has made high quality felt hats for decades. His clientele includes people from all walks of life such as working cowboys, movie stars, and investment bankers. Rodney joins Ben and Joe to discuss western style, cowboys in pop culture and what it takes to master your craft.

Cole Cameron is a horseman, clinician, and competitor from Bluff Dale, TX. In this episode of On the Move, Ben sits down with Cole to discuss his journey in horsemanship, from personal experiences and career-defining moments to the evolving landscape of clinics and expos. They dive into the challenges of teaching, the importance of financial literacy for trainers, and the realities of balancing family life with a demanding career. As a past Road to the Horse competitor, Cole shares his insights on the event, reflecting on his experience in the competition and its impact on the industry.

Ben and Joe discuss the genesis of the podcast, horsemen, cowboys, whiskey and what it means to be ‘On The Move’.

Ben and Joe discuss two figures that have intrigued them.  First, they examine 13th century world leader Ghengis Khan.  The man who started the world’s largest land empire and shaped much of the history in Asia, Europe and the Middle East.  Second, Ben and Joe talk about 5 time NBA Champion Kobe Bryant.  Known for his Mamba Mentality”, Kobe is seen as one of most competitive and well disciplined basketball players of all time.  Listen here to hear Ben and Joe deliberate on these extraordinary men and how they stayed on the move.

Ricky Quinn is a clinician and rancher from North Platte, Nebraska.  Ricky puts on several horsemanship clinics throughout the country and helps run the Lazy U Quarter Horses program at Olson Farms.  Ben and Joe discuss selling horses, Ricky’s upbringing, and Ricky’s perspective on horsemanship and personal growth.

Ben and Joe sit down for a conversation about success, failure and gratitude.  Topics discussed include being process oriented, academics, practitioners, learning how to succeed and the importance of peers.  Hope you enjoy this fun conversation as we all reflect on what we have to be thankful for during this holiday season.

Chas Weldon is a saddle maker hailing from Billings, Montana. He comes from a ranching background which laid the foundation for his saddle making philosophy.  He has worked on some of the biggest outfits in Montana and Wyoming including the historic Padlock Ranch. Chas got his start in leather working at the famous Connolly Saddlery and would go one to work with legendary saddlers such as Dale Harwood and Chuck Storms.

Ben and Joe sit down and debrief after Buck Brannaman's clinic in Lewisburg, WV.  Topics discussed include what they learned, the attitude they have going into a clinic and the culture surrounding a Buck Brannaman clinic.

Ben and Joe examine some of the struggles they are encountering in the process of pursuing better horsemanship.  They also talk about a few of the things that keep them encouraged and motivated on their journey.

Roby Moreland is a horse trainer based in Weatherford, TX. He spent almost a decade at McGinnis Meadows Ranch in Libby, MT and has studied horsemanship under some notable mentors. He is currently pursuing a career in the performance horse arena.

Alicia Landman is a horseman from Nashville, TN.  She helps people have a better relationship with their horse by riding for the public and teaching lessons.  Ben and Joe discuss Alicia’s early life with gaited horses, and the life long pursuit of becoming better horsemen.

Jon Binninger along with his wife Hannah are the founders and owners of Landgrove Coffee Co. In addition to roasting quality coffee, the Binningers devote spare time to bettering they're horsemanship and enjoying life at the family's home in Troy, ID. Listen in as we chat with Jon to hear how it all came about.

Greg Jost is a former IT professional who has lived on the road with his horse for the past two years.  Ben and Joe first met Greg in the fall of 2022 at a Buck Brannaman clinic.  Greg “caught the bug” after his first clinic and attended five consecutive Buck clinics from coast to coast.   Topics discussed include starting on one’s horsemanship journey, dealing with frustration and how to stay on the move.

Dr. Mark Crisman is an exceptionally well traveled Doctor of Veterinary Medicine who has been practicing for over 30 years.  Ben and Joe learn about Mark’s unique path to becoming a vet, his international experiences and his perspective on the current state of veterinary medicine.

Ben and Joe reflect on the weekend at Stony Creek Ranch.  Topics discussed include which historical figures you’d like to have dinner with, favorite TV shows and how to deal with the fear of failure.

Kip Fladland is a cowboy and clinician who has been riding horses for the public for over 20 years.  He has cowboyed for a living, worked on dude ranches and worked for Buck Brannaman on the clinic trail.   Ben and Joe discuss Kip’s background, riding outside horses, life on the road and cowboy gear.

Ben and Joe sit down for episode seventeen. The conversation moves into a discussion centered around what it means to block out unwarranted opinions of others and instead focus on being a more self aware individual.

Dylan Palm is our friend and a fellow enthusiast on the horsemanship journey who has been interning with Bill Barnes. Throughout a lively conversation we ask him about his time in Georgia, his introduction into horses and wish him the best before he heads back to his home state of Washington.

Jake Heck is a father, wrangler and avid bowhunter. He and his family run Fort Valley Ranch in Virgina. Previously they ran M Lazy C Guest Ranch in Central Colorado where Ben worked for them. Ben and Joe discuss Jake's approach to implementing horsemanship in the trail string, diet, fitness, and the Mount Rushmore of classic Disney movies.

Rahul and Houston are top level, American polocrosse players.  Ben and Joe sit down with the pair for an enjoyable conversation about the sport.  Topics discussed include American polocrosse, the polocrosse World Cup, and developing horses to play the game.

Ben and Joe sit down with farrier Travis Burns.  Travis is an Associate Professor of Practice and the Chief of Farrier Services at The Virginia-Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine.  Topics discussed include Travis’s journey to become a therapeutic farrier, kertomas, laminitis, and the current state of the farrier industry.

Cliff Williamson has spent the last 7 years as the Director of Health and Regulatory Affairs for the American Horse Counsel.  Ben and Joe sit down to discuss some of the most prevalent issues affecting the American horse industry today.  Topics discussed include thoroughbred racing, Tennessee walking horses, and how everyday horse enthusiasts can help have an impact on federal policy.   To find out more about the American Horse Council visit horsecouncil.org

Jakob Huck is a horseman from Western Nebraska.  He currently works for Buck Brannaman, supporting him as he puts on horsemanship clinics around the country.  Ben and Joe talk with Jakob about life on the road, his journey in horsemanship and his goals for the future.

Buck Brannaman is an internationally known horseman and clinician.  Topics discussed include chasing wild horses, learning to deal with people and the vaquero tradition.

Dr. Bill Barnes is a practicing Orthopaedic surgeon, musician and an avid horseman. He raises cattle and horses on his ranch in Georgia where he helps people pursue their own journey with horses.