This is the original bosslady.  On today's pod, I'm talking with former CEO of iMentor and Executive Coach Caroline Kim Oh.  We're spilling the tea on all the things including being the Only Ones in rooms, how Asian Americans have been misused as the "model minority" and how to start your own biz.  As more EDs are leaving their positions, listen to one former ED's story of how she set up her business to work for herself (and conquered her fears in the process!)

For more information, check out Caroline here.

I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Ellen Wong, a naturopathic doctor and happiness expert.  

During our conversation, Dr. Wong emphasized the importance of understanding that happiness is not a destination, but rather something you create.  We also discussed the importance of self-care and self-compassion in achieving happiness. Dr. Wong stressed that taking care of yourself, both physically and emotionally, is crucial for your overall well-being. She also emphasized the importance of being kind to yourself and treating yourself with the same compassion and understanding that you would offer to a close friend.  

Finally, Dr. Wong offered some practical tips for cultivating happiness in your everyday life. These included: 

✅ Making time for hobbies and activities that bring you joy.
✅ Surround yourself with positive and supportive people.
✅ Practicing mindfulness and meditation to help you stay present at the moment.
✅ Setting realistic goals and celebrating your accomplishments, no matter how small they may seem.  

To learn more about Dr. Wong and her upcoming Happiness Summit, visit her website at Dr. Ellen Wong, ND - Chief Happiness & Well-Being Officer. https://drellenwong.com/ 

"Productivity is not about doing more things" - Dr. Ellen Wong  

📣 If you wanted to get inspiration for Fund Raising Notices, Upcoming events, and a cute dog 🐶 picture, subscribe to my weekly newsletter now: rheawong.com

We are all going through a challenging time right now, but it won't be forever.  Dr. Lisette Nieves is one of the kindest, wisest and most effective leaders I've had the pleasure of knowing.  Listen into a recent interview with her where we talk about how to both hold space for people's emotions while also looking at the opportunities ahead of us.  She provides both truth and hope in this tumultuous time.   Some takeaways: "What does it mean to be both high tech and high touch?"  "Right now, your budget may not reflect your values." "Put yourself on a news diet."  This is the perspective you need.

For more about Lisette, check out her LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisette-nieves-5414395/

Fundraising can feel transactional, manipulative, and just plain icky. But it doesn’t have to be that way. As donor-turned-expert Lisa Greer explains, with authentic connection and a "ditch the pitch" mindset, fundraising can actually feel human.

Lisa gets what it’s like to be on the receiving end of clumsy asks and ill-informed wealth screens. After an awkward start to her own philanthropy journey, she vowed to revolutionize the donor experience.

In this candid conversation, we discuss:

• Why donors aren’t some strange "other" species

• The power of self-aware storytelling

• Ditching disingenuous pitches

• How to navigate the money

Lisa argues we need a philanthropy revolution to fix this - one centered around trust, transparency, and treating donors as partners instead of ATM machines.“I'm helping organizations change the way they do things based on how a donor hears things and how a donor interprets things.” - Lisa Greer

The bottom line? We have to get over our own discomfort with wealth and get curious about donors as individuals - what matters to them and why they give as they do.

To hear more of Lisa’s straight-talk around transforming nonprofit fundraising, have a listen to the full episode and share it with someone who needs a refresh! 

Important Links

Book: Philanthropy Revolution: How to Inspire Donors, Build Relationships, and Make a Difference by Lisa Greer: https://www.lisagreer.com/book

Preorder: The Fundraiser’s Handbook: A Guide to Maximizing Donations, Retaining Donors, and Saving the Giving Sector for Good by Lisa Greer: https://www.amazon.com/Fundraisers-Handbook-Maximizing-Donations-Retaining/dp/1939096154

Blog:  https://philanthropy451.substack.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisazgreer/

X: https://x.com/lisazgreer

Founder's syndrome is a thing, y'all.  As many of us have seen, founders can struggle once their organizations grow and scale because the skills set and mindset of starting an organization is different than managing it.  Join me and Elizabeth Green, CEO of Chalkbeat, to share how she grew her passion project into a multi-city, multi-million dollar national nonprofit.  She's one of the rare people who knew exactly what she wanted to do when she grew up and doesn't struggle with control issues (like so many of us founder-types!). She is real and authentic about the challenges of growth, her own learning about building inclusive work environments and how insecurity can wreck a leader.  

Here are the resources Elizabeth mentions:

How Teaching Works: Building a Better Teacher

Heavy

Range

Sick of shame sabotaging your fundraising? 😣 Turns out our money baggage builds invisible barriers between us and the resources we need. But together with my soul sister Shulamit Ber Levtov, we're busting through old stories to unlock flow! 💸

In this week's episode, Shula and I get real about how oppressive systems and early traumas wire our minds for lack - and why fixing feelings is the fast track to funding. We explore simple but powerful practices like self-compassion, boundary setting, and rewriting scarcity scripts that help shift stuck energy inside and out. 

The truth that transformed my money journey? Healing shame and embracing our worthiness is an inside job, but community makes it possible. So if pesky inner blocks have you chasing (not attracting) dollars, join us! With compassion and clarity, we can rewrite old narratives into sources of strength for serving true abundance. 💗

Now let's drop faulty core beliefs to unlock core purpose! Hit play as Shula schools me on reconciling mind, body and money for good! 🎧

Important Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulamitberlevtov/

https://www.instagram.com/the_entrepreneurs_therapist/?hl=en

Confused about all the options for nonprofit marketing? 🤔 Don't let analysis paralysis stop your impact! 🛑

Krystal Covington, marketing pro turned nonprofit consultant, shares bite-sized tips to level up your marketing—even with limited time and budget. 💡 Krystal is a Marketing Consultant with GO Lead, LLC and the Community Outreach Coordinator at a Denver-based nonprofit called Hands of the Carpenter.

Her main takeaway: start small and stay consistent. Little steps like sending a social media post or pitching local media add up over time to stronger community, trust, and visibility. She advises getting your core team aligned on one clear mission statement first, then facilitating collaboration across marketing and development efforts. And keep growing that email list! It helps sustain precious relationships with supporters. 

“I'm passionate about helping anything and anyone with a cause and with a purpose that matters. They need to have … really great marketing and really great marketers that support the things that matter in the world.” - Krystal Covington

Tune into the full episode for more on how to prioritize marketing, even on a shoestring budget. Krystal's pragmatic advice will help you overcome analysis paralysis.

Important Links:

DIY PR Podcast Episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/167-diy-pr-with-rebekah-epstein/id1436858854?i=1000547416777

Email: krystal@goleadconsulting.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krystalncovington/

Founders: they are among the most amazing and maddening people.  Many founders struggle as sustaining Executive Directors because the skills that helped you to start a nonprofit are different than the skills needed to be an enduring leader.  It takes a lot of reflection, maturity and grace to move from founder to mature ED.  Join me as we chat with Jai Nanda who has gone from a founding ED to a tenured ED of over 20 years.  Along the way, he's built an amazing organization, Urban Dove, and changed his leadership and perspective.  This is a must-listen for founding EDs.

For more about Jai, check out: http://urbandove.org/about-us/our-mission/

My friend Dianne Morales is running for Mayor of New York.  She is the first Latina to ever do so and the very first woman in this mayoral race.  Listen in as she shares her platform positions on racial equity and justice, access to mental health and how her brand of female leadership would transform New York for the better.  Dianne is aligned with many of my personal values and I hope that this interview will convince you: DIANNE MORALES FOR MAYOR.

To support Dianne's campaign visit: https://www.dianne.nyc/

She needs your support by the end of June!  Help a sister out!

For all my peeps in the nonprofit world, leadership in the last few years has been...a lot.

Between the pandemic, national racial reckoning, economic turbulence, remote working, and staff feelings, it ain't easy out here in these streets.

Join me and organizational consultant and healer Emily Frieze-Kemeny to talk about how we progress without losing our minds and our well-being. We discuss the challenges of leading in the last couple of years, how to draw healthy boundaries with our teams, and simple strategies to ground yourselves. 

This interview 🎙 is like a therapy session for the soul.

Visit her website 🌐 www.arosegroup.com
Connect with her 🔗 www.linkedin.com/in/emily-frieze-kemeny

Quote from Emily: "The only reason we'd be scared to be vulnerable is if we think we're not good enough."

Conflict is inevitable in the workplace or in any organization when people with different backgrounds and work styles are brought together for a common business purpose. Conflict is part of dealing with humans. So join me and Jonno White to discuss healthy versus toxic conflict and how to manage it when it (inevitably) comes. We cover basic rules of engagement so that conflict does not have to mean destruction. On top of that, you will also learn the importance of setting up proper expectations and communication among people in the company or organization. Also, Jonno has a delightful Aussie accent!

To get to know more about Jonno White, you can follow him on:

LinkedIn (Jonno’s Account)

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonno-white-983486136/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonno-white-983486136/

LinkedIn (Clarity) - https://www.linkedin.com/company/clarity-for-large-enterprises/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/Clarity-108805891004575

Twitter - https://www.instagram.com/consultclarity/

You can visit Jonno on his website:

https://www.consultclarity.org/

Resources mentioned in the podcast:

Blue Ocean Strategy Book

https://www.blueoceanstrategy.com/books/blue-ocean-strategy-book/

Step Up or Step Out - How to Deal With Difficult People Even If You Hate Conflict

https://www.amazon.com/Step-Up-Out-Difficult-Conflict-ebook/dp/B0925MB4SR

Clarity

https://store.consultclarity.org/step-up-or-step-out-sales-page-cn17hlpfdisc10

Jonno White

TOPIC: Talking About The Perfect Recipe For Conflict

04:53 - 08:50

Rhea Wong

TOPIC: Setting Up Proper Expectations and the Importance of Communication

08:56 - 10:20

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Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nonprofitlowdown/support

With the first blooms of spring comes our annual opportunity for renewal. Time to clear out the old and make way for new growth!

In this solo episode, I'll share my best tips for spring cleaning every aspect of your NPO - from refreshing stale programs to pruning unengaged contacts. 

Get ready to plant the seeds now for a fruitful year ahead!

Here's what we'll cover: 

✅ Breathing life and inspiration into your impact data with impactful storytelling

✅ Pruning and cleaning your email, communications, and database 

✅ Cultivating supporters with strategic messaging 

✅ Planting the seeds for efficient systems, processes & database moving forward

✅ Sprinkling your day with tasks that energize you and removing the ones that zap your energy. 

And because we lead best when we lean into self-care, I'll also share my recipe for a quarterly mental vacation to blossom into the healthiest version of you!

Whether you need serious weeding or just some strategic fertilizing, let this episode seed a sustainable way forward. Now get growing by tuning in! 🌱🎧

Important Links:

https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program

For the busy nonprofit executive, it just feels like social media falls to the bottom of your very long to-do list, amirite?  It's all so overwhelming--so many platforms, not enough time.  Join me and my guest Julia Campbell to talk about how to leverage social media effectively to build community for your cause, how to stop using it like a billboard and how to avoid common mistakes (spoiler alert: answer your comments!) 

For the forward-thinking nonprofit, it's time to get on the social media bus or get left behind.  Julia is smart, insightful and realistic about how much the average nonprofit can really do on social.

For more about Julia, check out her website: https://jcsocialmarketing.com/

Join me and Jess Campbell to talk about how to end your Q4 with a "W".  I always say that Q4 is the Superbowl of Fundraising and Jess walks us through how to make the most of it.  Jess talks about how to avoid the most common mistakes, how to embrace progress over perfection and ways to do year-end without making you crazy.  We also talk about "magic" words and why direct mail trumps all.  This is a must-listen unless you hate money.  

To reference Jen Shang's work: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/giving/understanding-donor-behavior-to-increase-contributions.html

To get in touch with Jess: https://www.outintheboons.me/

Join me and my guests Christal Cherry and Renee Rubin Ross to talk about doing DEIAB work right. Often our boards lag behind the efforts of the staff and this dynamic duo helps to bring your board up to speed on issues of equity and inclusion. We talk about the myth of diversity vs. wealth, how to work with folks who don't think they have a problem and their tactics to start boards on this work. We get into the nitty gritty of time commitment, cost and eventual transformation. We left no stone unturned!

To learn more about Christal: www.theboardpro.com
To learn more about Renee: www.therosscollective.com
To learn more about their framework: equityinthecenter.org/aww

Fund Your Strategic Vision: https://brookerichie-babbage.lpages.co/fund-your-strategic-vision/?ck_subscriber_id=1199983809&utm_source=convertkit&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Not+for+me...%20-%209617030#featuresservices-1

Quote from Christal "This whole myth about people of color not having the money to serve on boards or not having the resources or the connections needs to go"

It's not often that my socks get knocked off, but believe me when I tell you Mike Kim knocked. My. Socks. Off.  In fact, I haven't even WORN socks since I recorded this episode.

Realtalk: Mike drops value bombs aplenty about how to move prospective donors from zero awareness of your cause to becoming a donor (hint: it's a learnable framework), how to tell a memorable story (hint: it's a framework) and the three stories that all organizations must have.  Seriously, do not miss this one if you raise money, raise awareness or want to invite partners to your cause.  So, basically, everybody.

You're welcome.

I've been a long-time fan of Mike's: mikekim.com

Follow his podcast: Brand You Podcast and the Fully Funded Podcast

In this episode, Adam Michael Royston and Marvin Vilma are back and they're diving into the hot topic of East Coast vs. West Coast fundraising. These two fundraising experts have a wealth of experience between them, and they're bringing their unique perspectives to the table to give listeners a deeper understanding of the differences and similarities between fundraising on opposite coasts. 

From the fast-paced hustle of New York City to the tech-heavy vibe of San Francisco, Adam Michael and Marvin will take listeners on a journey through the fundraising landscape of the East and West Coasts. They'll share their own personal experiences, as well as insights and actionable tips for listeners looking to raise money in either region. Whether you're a seasoned fundraiser or just starting out, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the world of fundraising and all its vagaries.

To connect with Adam Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-michael-royston-cfre-/
To connect with Marvin Vilma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mvilma/

QUOTE "I know nonprofit fundraisers who put Burning Man in their budget"

Joyful.  Thought-provoking.  Truth-telling.  Join me for this wide-ranging conversation with Erica Hamilton.  Erica shares her wisdom and perspective as an expert leader, manager and "nonprofit whisperer."  We talk about the women of color tax, the benefits of saying NO and how to survive and thrive as a nonprofit executive.  A must-listen for current and aspiring nonprofit execs!

My friend and colleague April Walker has worn many hats: funder, consultant and development director.  In this honest and engaging interview, we discuss the problematic dynamics of traditional philanthropy, how she, as a Black woman, navigates predominantly white funder spaces and what we can all do to de-center white supremacy in philanthropy.  April is insightful and drops all the truth bombs.  

For more about April and to read her weekly column Ask April, follow her here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aprilcwalker/

In this episode of Nonprofit Lowdown, I sit down with Holly Rustick to explore the nuances of grant writing and discuss the challenges within the nonprofit sector. Holly shares her journey from stumbling into grant writing while abroad, to becoming a seasoned grant writer and nonprofit consultant.

We delve into the strategic differences between in-house and freelance grant writers. Holly advocates for freelance grant writers due to their specialized focus and flexibility, contrasting with the often overloaded roles of in-house grant writers who juggle multiple responsibilities. She emphasizes that freelance grant writers can offer tailored expertise without the overhead costs associated with full-time staff.

🌐 Discover why grant writing isn't just about securing funds—it's about building relationships and understanding your nonprofit's impact. Whether you're a nonprofit leader or curious about the grant writing process, this episode is packed with actionable insights!

🎧 Listen and learn how to navigate the grant writing maze to drive your nonprofit’s mission forward. Don't miss out on this enriching conversation with Holly Rustick!

Important Links:

https://grantwritingandfunding.com/

How many of us would love to be funded by Robin Hood?  Ever wondered if you've hit a ceiling with your fundraising efforts?  Today my guest is Suzi Epstein, Managing Director of the Robin Hood Foundation who discusses a free program for nonprofits at Robin Hood to up their game, some of the mistakes that she sees on proposals and what it takes to qualify for Robin Hood funding.  Please note that the deadline for the Robin Hood GRIT program is January 17, 2020 so get it while the getting is good!

To apply, visit: https://www.robinhood.org/programs/special-initiatives/grit/

With the pandemic lockdown, are you dreaming about open roads and exotic vacations?  Join the club.  

Listen in to today's interview with Maryann Remsburg, a certified coach, mom of four, author and co-founder of Adventurous Life. In this conversation we talk about how we get so caught up in obligations, "should-ing all over ourselves" and fear that we forget to experience joy and adventure.  Maryann reminds us that we don't need a plane ticket around the world to live an adventurous life--it's all a state of mind.  Learn how to regain the sense of fun and adventure that you had before life (and the pandemic) got you down.  Bonus: you might avoid a mid-life crisis.  You don't need a Lambo and an inappropriately aged boyfriend to enjoy your life!

For more about Maryann, visit: https://www.adventurouslife.net/

Today's guest is none other than the phenomenal Kaya Henderson.  Among many accomplishments, she was the former Chancellor of DC Public Schools, Executive Director of Teach for America DC, and a Spanish teacher in the Bronx.  Kaya knows a thing or two about leading through challenging circumstances and this chat was both a warm hug and a fire in the belly.  Kaya shares her perspectives about being a humble leader, filling up your own cup and when it's time to let your warrior spirit lead.  If you need a little bit of a respite, take a deep breath and listen to this interview.

For more about Kaya Henderson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaya-henderson-2ab765129/

Ok, ladies and gentlemen, fasten your seatbelts because we're taking a ride on the #realtalk train.  Join me and master communicator and coach, Marti Fischer, as we tackle the #1 problem most Executive Directors face.  Listen in to these gems like how to identify WHY your board isn't fundraising and tactics for dealing with it.  Some other juicy topics we explore: how to make your board meetings less boring, how to deal with the age-old question of give/get limits and how to measure what matters.  If you need some inspo about motivating your board to be your top fundraisers and cheerleaders, listen to this episode and prepare to take notes.

To find Marti, visit her website: https://www.martifischergroup.com/

Today I'm chilling with the Big Poppa of the New York nonprofit world, Rich Berlin.  Rich walks us through the quick history of Harlem RBI that has since become multi-service wraparound school called Dream.  Rich tells us how his organization went from almost closing to its current $40M a year budget.  He shares his thoughts about board recruitment, board management and how to prepare a board to punch above its weight.  One day, I would like to be able to say "We're not talking to you for less than a seven figure gift."  Listen, learn and LOVE it.  This has got to be one of my very favorite podcast episodes (I love them all like my children.)

For more about Rich, check out their website: https://www.wearedream.org/

Join me and my friend David Hoffman as he shares five ways that your nonprofit can up your media game.  He walks us through his engagement funnel and gives us the keys to creating media (video, photos) that grab your donor's attention and get results.  His advice is actionable and effective to make your message stand out from the crowd.  In this podcast, you'll understand the difference between being interesting and being boring.  Some other stand-out gems include lead with the heart, not with stats.  This episode is packed with value-bombs that will help you attract and engage your desired donor.

For more about David, check out: https://citizenracecar.com/

In our chat with Dana Snyder, she shared four paid ads that nonprofits should run. Here they are: Reach, Video Views, Lead Generation, and Conversions.

Reach is all about getting more eyes on your cause. Video Views means creating great video content to engage supporters. Lead Generation is for collecting contact information from potential donors, and Conversions is all about getting people to take specific actions, like donating or volunteering.

Want to learn more about these ad types? Check out Dana's website at 

Dana Snyder | Positive Equation - Digital Marketing for Nonprofits for tips and tricks to help your nonprofit succeed!

"What's an exchange of value you can offer?" - Dana

Join me and my pals, Shruti Sehra and Hassan Brown, to learn about how venture philanthropy firm, New Profit, has re-designed giving for equity.  We talk about how community proximity IS expertise, how they redesigned proposal processes to be more accessible and equitable and what questions they are asking of themselves and the field.  I really enjoyed this wide-ranging conversation with two insightful, thoughtful and equity-minded philanthropy leaders.

For more about New Profit, visit: https://www.newprofit.org/

For more about the framework for changing behaviors, visit: https://www.newprofit.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Impact-Report_Grantmaking_v2.pdf

You know you want to...it's whispering to you...start your own business...be your own boss...On this week's pod, I'm talking with Nakeia Drummond, founder of NLD Strategic and the WELL, a group of Black womxn entrepreneurs.  In this fascinating and fun chat, we talk about getting paid, how to overcome your fears of being an imposter and being homeless by the side of the river, and the joys of being the boss.  We also talk about the inequities and access to capital for Black womxn and how we need to ask for more.  I recommend this podcast for anyone thinking about starting their own venture.  Nakeia is fun, fearless and FIERCE.  

For more about Nakeia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nakeiadrummond

For more about the WELL: https://www.thewellnetwork.us/nakeia-l-drummond

Worried AI will take your job? Fear robots more than global warming? Think AI lacks morals? Well, take a chill pill my nonprofit friends. 💊

Today's guest Vilas Dhar provides a refreshing perspective on AI. Rather than some apocalyptic force, he views it as a "human-centric reflection of our society." Our biases and beliefs shape how it develops.

So who is this optimistic leader guiding us to an ethical AI future? Vilas heads the Patrick J. McGovern Foundation, advancing social good through tech. With experience across business, government and nonprofits, he connects communities to steer AI toward human dignity.

Discover how we can distribute AI more broadly so underserved groups have agency to address their needs. Learn what civil society can do now to democratize participation. Hear Vilas' global vision for aligning innovators and people.

The robots aren't coming for us yet, people! 🤖 Tune into this uplifting episode to understand how we shape the ethics and promise of AI. The future remains unwritten - our choices matter.

Important Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/vilasdhar/

Calling all New York based nonprofits!

In this episode, we speak with Suzi Epstein, Senior Program Officer at the Robin Hood Foundation, and Kim DiPalo, Director of Development and Communications at Drive Change, about the GRIT program. Applications due March 15!

Listen and learn about:

1. What is the GRIT program?
2. How does the GRIT program work?
3. What impact has the GRIT program had?
4. How can you, the listeners apply to the GRIT program!

GRIT Program: https://www.robinhood.org/program/grit/
Robin Hood Foundation: https://www.robinhood.org/
Drive Change: https://www.drivechangenyc.org/

Quote: "Everything old is new again"

You know how there are people in your life who inspire you to level up your game?  Lisette Nieves is one of these people.  She's an educator, a do-er, a coach and an inspiration.  On today's pod we talk about the challenges of managing a board and staff and how to make people feel USEFUL is more important than making them feel happy.  We discuss the dangers of a bored board, why you need to challenge your assumptions about who you need on your board and the emotional labor of leadership.

For more Lisette, check out her website here.

Join me and the Charity CFO, Tosha Anderson, to talk about all of the finances.  Though this may not be the most thrilling topic, being responsible for fiscal oversight is one of the most important jobs for a board member.  Tosha and I talk about the differences between for-profit and nonprofit accounting, how to get the board focused on the right things and at the right level and how to have those sticky conversations about fundraising.  We answer questions about what first-time board members should be asking and how to set up good financial systems from the start.  This is a must-listen for those of you who are not finance experts and need to make sure you are dotting your i's and crossing your t's.

For more about Tosha: https://thecharitycfo.com/

As we careen towards year-end, we know all you fundraisers are out burning the midnight oil.  Annual appeal, Giving Tuesday, making budget, oh my!  My guest Patrick Kirby FEELS YOU.  Take a quick 30 minutes to take a listen to this fun episode.  Patrick and I talk about why people dread fundraising, what happens when boards and executives don't know how to fundraise (spoiler alert: unreasonable much?) and how to create a culture of philanthropy in your org.  Patrick is fun, caffeinated and HERE FOR YOU.

For more about Patrick, check him out: https://www.dogoodbetterconsulting.com/

Join me and my friend and mentor Cynthia Rivera Weissblum for some sound advice and comfort on leading your nonprofit during these tumultuous times.  Cindy has been both an Executive Director and now oversees the Edwin Gould Foundation as CEO.  Her advice comes from a thirty year history in the sector coupled with her deep empathy and wisdom.  Some takeaway thoughts include:

• How and what to communicate to funders.
• How to remain calm and centered as the leader.
• The unique role of the nonprofit sector and how we can position ourselves to serve and to elevate our brand.
• How to raise money for the immediate needs and for the future.

For more about Cindy, please visit: www.edwingouldfoundation.org

Are you feeling the stress of federal funding uncertainty? You're not alone. In this  episode of Nonprofit Lowdown, I dive into how you can take control of your nonprofit’s financial future—even with all the unknowns in the air.

I walk you through diversifying your revenue and engaging your board in major gift fundraising. Plus, I share a step-by-step playbook on how to build resilience and secure financial stability, no matter what happens in Washington.

PLUS – Don't miss out on my free training on March 4th to help your board members become active fundraising allies.

Tune in for practical strategies that will prepare your nonprofit to thrive, no matter what the future holds.

Important Links:

Upcoming Events: https://www.rheawong.com/events/ 

My Big Ask Gifts Program: https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program 

My Book, Get That Money Honey: https://go.rheawong.com/get-that-money-honey 

My Newsletter: https://www.rheawong.com/ 

Y'all!  This episode is fire.  My friend and new BFF Mallory breaks down how we embody energy that either attracts or repels money.  We talk about the different types of energy, how to harness the energy and, most importantly, tips that you can employ to help you get out of the funk.  This is one of my favorite conversations with Mallory (who has amazing energy btw:)  Check it out!

For more about Mallory: https://malloryerickson.com/

This summer, after George Floyd's murder, everyone started looking for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) consultants for their teams and organizations.  Not coincidentally, all of a sudden, there were a whole bunch of people calling themselves DEI experts.  Join me as I chat with Naté Hoover about how to assess whether a DEI consultant is actually skilled, how to know when your organization and its leadership is "ready" for it and how NOT to do equity work.  Naté is a long-time DEI consultant and HR expert who shares valuable insight.  This is a must-listen before you hire your next DEI consultant.

Here is the article that Naté referenced: https://www.mckensiemack.com/our-blog/2020/8/26/thinking-of-hiring-an-anti-racism-consultant-read-this-first

To connect with Naté, here's her LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/l-nate-hoover-shrm-scp-sphr-pmp-ctmd-mbti/

For more about Mckensie Mack Group: https://www.mckensiemack.com/

Get ready to shake things up in the nonprofit world in 2025! In this spicy episode, I bring together powerhouse voices from the nonprofit sector—Brooke Ritchie Babbage, Tania Bhattacharyya, Rachel Bearbower , Cindy Wagman, and Jess Campbell. Together, we are diving deep into what’s no longer working and what should be left behind for the year ahead.

✨The Darlings You Need to Kill

This isn’t about playing it safe—it’s about doing away with the outdated, overused, and inefficient practices holding your organization back. In this episode, we share which nonprofit darlings we believe need to go.

💥 What’s the take-home?

2025 is going to be a year for nonprofit leaders to pivot and adapt to the changing landscape. Whether it’s in your fundraising strategy, digital presence, donor retention, or your team’s capacity, this episode will give you the clarity to say goodbye to what’s no longer serving you and embrace the future with courage.

What darlings are you killing this year? Let us know on social or hit up Rhea directly at hello@rheawong.com.

👉 Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review if you enjoyed the episode!

Important Links:

My Big Ask Gifts Program: https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program 

My Book, Get That Money Honey: https://go.rheawong.com/get-that-money-honey 

My Newsletter: https://www.rheawong.com/ 

Let's face it: PR and marketing are the first to get cut in a budget.  And yet, you're still the best kept secret in your city?  What gives?  Rebekah walks us through actionable strategies and tips for small nonprofits on a tight budget and even tighter labor market.  You can't afford NOT to let the media know about your work, and Rebekah shows us how to do it ourselves.

For more about Rebekah, visit: www.fifteen-media.com/

Sick of "spraying and praying" when it comes to finding new donors? I'm dishing my best tips on targeting your ideal supporters in this solo episode.

I'm tackling the common mistakes I see nonprofits make, from failing to define their audience to not optimizing existing channels. Expect straight talk on the pros and cons of various donor acquisition strategies out there - no hype, just what really works!

The key is getting specific. I'll share how to create detailed donor avatars, survey existing supporters, and use that intel to craft outreach that truly resonates. This clarity attracts great donors and repels those not aligned with your mission.

Want my exclusive advice on messaging that converts the right prospects? I've tested this stuff in the real world, so you know it's legit.

This episode is just a sneak peek at the P in my signature SPACE fundraising methodology I’ve used as the framework for my revamped Big Asks Gifts Program to transform your Processes. 

We’re launching the 6 month BAG program right now to help you take their fundraising to the next level over 6 months. I only work with a limited number of EDs and DoDs each round, so check it out at rheawong.com if you think we might be a good fit!

Can't wait to connect and chat all things donor acquisition. Let's take your outreach to the next level!

Important Links: 

https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program

In this episode, we're joined by the inspiring voices of Alison Overseth, Gisele Castro, and Erica Hamilton at The Women's Leadership Council. Our discussion centers around the dynamic landscape of leadership, highlighting our personal experiences, insights, and the ever-important journey toward diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts.

We’ll dive into topics that are pertinent for any woman pursuing a career in leadership, specifically current and future CEOs and EDs. Join us as we get answers to the following questions:

• What’s the importance of defining a North Star to guide your decisions and actions?

• How do you maintain and balance your peace and well-being in such a demanding job? 

• What mental shifts and practices are necessary for leading an organization? 

• What bright spots and challenges will we see as the next generation enters the workforce? 

• What are some hard-earned tips for recruiting, managing, and changing your board?

• And how can we drive authentic change through cultural shifts and ongoing DEI efforts?
  

“[H]ow much are we pursuing excellence and how are we passing on what we have learned to another group of people? [...] As an organization that at one point was not so visible and now it is, it comes with different pressure points… I didn't know I signed up for that. I did, I actually did by being a women leader.” Gisele Castro, CEO of exalt

Important Links:

http://exaltyouth.org

http://www.pasesetter.org

https://www.memoinevergot.com/

In this episode of Nonprofit Lowdown, I break down what sets the most successful leaders apart. It’s not just about grit and determination—it’s about having something to prove, embracing discomfort, and using accountability as fuel. Whether it’s frustration with the system, the hunger to make a difference, or the desire to silence critics, it’s that extra fire that drives leaders to go above and beyond.

If you're ready to take bold action, embrace the discomfort, and prove to yourself and the world what you’re capable of, check out my Big Ask Gifts program and apply today!

Important Links:

My Big Ask Gifts Program: https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program 

My Book, Get That Money Honey: https://go.rheawong.com/get-that-money-honey 

My Newsletter: https://www.rheawong.com/ 

What does the future of NYC look like if we re-imagined it through the lens of equity and diversity?  Who's at the table and, more importantly, who isn't and why?  Join me and Dr. Rahsaan Harris, CEO of Citizens Committee for New York as we talk about our love of New York, Black philanthropy and how to build a more equitable New York after the twin pandemics have passed.  Listen in to two unapologetic New Yorkers and folx of color who have both had the experience of being the "onlies" in many rooms.  Rahsaan is thoughtful, insightful and doesn't pull punches.

For more about Rahsaan, check out: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahsaanharris/

“Leadership is accepting responsibility for enabling others to achieve shared purpose in the face of uncertainty” -Marshall Ganz

Now more than ever, we are facing uncertainty.  We all have a choice to make: will we grow and rise to meet the challenge and lean into this moment to create grace and community or will we let fear lead us to make ourselves smaller?  Join me and master fundraiser Jennifer McCrea as we explore making sense and meaning out of this extraordinary moment in our planet's human history.

 Join me and Brooke Richie-Babbage on an electrifying podcast episode as we spill the beans on how to discover  new donors, create ideal donor avatars , unleash the power of your board in fundraising , and craft a compelling donor message! 

We share insider tips and tricks for unlocking the secret to finding passionate supporters who align with your mission  and are ready to fuel your organization's success . From donor profiling to engaging your board, we got you covered! 

But wait, there's more!  Take our exclusive quiz to uncover your ultimate ideal donor match and get ready to amplify your fundraising game!  Just click here to find out:  https://quiz.tryinteract.com/#/64500527cd8e2a001492799d 

 Plus, don't forget to check out our "Fund Your Strategic Vision" resource, where you'll discover innovative strategies and tools to turn your dreams into a reality.  Get started on your fundraising journey today by clicking here:  https://resources.brookerichiebabbage.com/fund-your-strategic-vision2023/ 

Get your headphones ready, your pens poised, and let us ignite your fundraising prowess like never before! 

We all know storytelling is a powerful way to move people and effect change on the important issues of today. But in the fundraising world, storytelling has gotten a bad rap. Poverty porn, sensationalism, and negative storytelling practices have left a bad taste in our mouths and, at times, exposed the very people we want to help.

So how can we use the powerful language of storytelling to unify and empower communities rather than divide and conquer? 

Join me today as I talk to Tara Dorabji, Vice President and Chief Strategy Officer for The Center for Cultural Power! 

We talk about the need for value-aligned storytelling that is rooted in authenticity and how we can choose, gather, and elevate stories and storytellers to amplify and elevate diverse voices that can accelerate systemic cultural change. 

We also dive into how to test and measure the impact of our influence so that our efforts don’t fall on deaf ears. 

Tune in for an eye-opening discussion that just might put the joy back into your storytelling!

“It's not just about one messenger. … [D]ifferent Messengers speak to different groups, so it's important to have a multitude of stories and to continue to test and … learn. And as culture shifts and people shift, the storytelling will change too.” - Tara Dorabji, Vice President of The Center for Cultural Power

Important Links: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tara-dorabji-a364711/
The Border Report 2023: https://www.culturalpower.org/stories/the-border-report-2023/

Y'all: the time has come to consider a crypto strategy for fundraising.  Join me and co-founder of the Giving Block, Pat Duffy, to discuss some of the misconceptions and benefits of accepting crypto for your nonprofit.  We discuss how to deal with volatility, some of the common misunderstandings and misgivings about crypto and some of the mistakes (i.e. don't put all your eggs into a crypto basket).  This is a really insightful and interesting episode for those looking for bigger donations and to engage younger donors.  Get it!

For more about the Giving Block, check out: https://thegivingblock.com/

🤪 Feeling the intern overwhelm? 

You’re not alone! Executive Directors of nonprofits often face the daunting task of sorting through intern candidates, training them, and deciding what tasks they can handle—balancing between busywork and overwhelming challenges. 

These young minds need ownership of their roles, even in a short timeframe, and directors must create guiding processes, mentoring opportunities, and special projects to help them thrive. 

Sounds exhausting, right? Tune in to this episode because help is here! 👏

Join Rhea Wong as she sits down with Marti Fischer, the principal of Marti Fischer Group, a seasoned coach, and an author who specializes in helping young professionals transition from school to career. 

📖Marti’s book, “Make Your Internship Count,” serves as a vital resource both for interns looking to maximize their learning and for employers striving to make the most out of internship programs. Dive deep into practical strategies, insightful anecdotes, and the must-do’s to shape an internship program that benefits everyone.

▶️Ready to turn your internship program from chaotic to cohesive? Press play and gain invaluable insights from Marti Fischer and Rhea Wong. Your next great intern experience starts here!

Important Links:

Get in touch with Marti: https://www.martifischergroup.com/ 

Buy her Book: https://www.martifischergroup.com/books/

Happy Black Philanthropy Month! 

In this episode, we talk with Dr. Jackie Copeland who is the founder of Black Philanthropy Month and April Walker, fundraising consultant.  April and Dr. Jackie speak from their lived experiences as Black women in philanthropy.  In this important talk, we discuss how the Black community can fund Black causes, the importance of giving to Black-led grassroot causes and how racial justice cannot exist without economic justice.

For more about Black Philanthropy Month: www.blackphilanthropymonth.com

To connect with Dr. Jackie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackiecopelandcarsonbio/

To connect with April: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aprilcwalker/

Resources Mentioned in the Podcast:

Philanthropy for the People - https://philanthropyforthepeople.com/

The Wise Fund - https://thewisefund.org/about-us/

Black Philanthropy Month - https://www.blackphilanthropymonth.com/about

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QUOTES

“The Black Philanthropy Month comes out of a personal commitment, professional dedication, and actual spiritual orientation.” - Dr. Jackie Bouvier Copeland

“I was very perturbed, that I would always hear that black people don't give and don't have philanthropy…”  - Dr. Jackie Bouvier Copeland

“The same principle applies to black people. We are consumers of philanthropy and should be respected as such. That means you need 10 years to repair the harm done in our communities, exclusion… so be it. That's just the work of development.”  - Dr. Jackie Bouvier Copeland

“I've always dreamt of creating a mutually supportive, global black economy of giving and funding of our nonprofits and businesses.” - Dr. Jackie Bouvier Copeland

“People are now asking, where are the black people? It's a fair question. So it's evolving. But that doesn't mean that they're ready to take action because they have to do some unlearning…” - April Walker

“There's nothing wrong, of course, with inviting people from different backgrounds to invest. We all have connections to the mission and different stories to tell.” - April Walker

How many times have you asked where to find new donors?

Maybe that’s the wrong question.

Today, Andrew Olsen joins us to discuss acquiring donors through inbound strategies. Did you know your potential donor's attention span is only 8 seconds? Let's make those seconds count!

🎯 Inbound Strategies: Create valuable content, optimize your website, and engage on social media to attract donors organically.

⚡ The 8-Second Challenge: Capture attention with captivating headlines, visuals, and concise messaging.

💡 Crafting Irresistible Content: Use storytelling to connect with donors' emotions and motivations.

🌐 Optimizing Your Online Presence: Optimize your website and ensure it's mobile-friendly.

📣 Social Media Magic: Leverage social media platforms for authentic connections and storytelling.

For more insights, connect with Andrew Olsen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewolsen/

"If we don't have thoughtful experiences for our supporters that mirror the way that they like to buy in the rest of their lives, we are going to end up losing out" - Andrew

Are you trudging through the fundraising world, feeling the weight of 'never enough'? It's time to drop the scarcity storyline and embrace the abundance that surrounds us. We've all carried baggage into our donor meetings, narratives laced with trauma and social hurdles. But what if I told you, it doesn't have to be that way?

Let’s talk about the biggest game-changer in fundraising – your mindset. In today's episode, we're exploring how the tales we tell ourselves can make or break our fundraising effectiveness. I dive into the deep end of money narratives, discuss how our brain operates under stress, and reveal how shifting your state of mind from survival to executive mode can transform your fundraising efforts.

You don't want to miss this journey beyond the numbers, into self-awareness where you'll find the key to long-term fundraising success isn't just in the ask—it's in the attitude. It's time to cultivate an abundance mindset, and I'm here to guide you.

Your next big ask might just need the SPACE you'll discover within.

Important Links:

https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program

If I had a nickel for every time an ED complained that their board was not raising money, not engaged or not working, I'd never have to fundraise.  Join me for this chat with Cindi Phallen to learn about how to re-invigorate your board, avoid a bored board, recruit according to your organizational goals and why staff members should never be on a board meeting agenda.  Cindi brings a wealth of experience in unlocking the power of boards.

To learn more about Cindi, check here out here: https://possibility-cp.com/about/

Let’s dispel the myth that you can either have donor diversity or donor wealth, but you can’t have both.  In this episode, my dear friend  Hali Lee, the founder of Radiant Strategies and the Asian Women Giving Circle, and the co-founder of the Donors of Color Network, talks about the results of her study of high-net-worth donors of color, entitled “Philanthropy Always Sounds Like Someone Else: A Portrait of High Net Worth Donors of Color.”

Join me and Hali as we discuss the implication of this study.  You will also learn some opportunities that nonprofits should be thinking about as they engage these high-net-worth donors of color. 

To connect with Hali: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hali-lee-awgcnyc/

You can also follow her on:

Twitter - https://twitter.com/HaliLeeNYC

Resources Mentioned in the Podcast:

Radiant - https://www.radiantstrategies.co/

Asian Women Giving Circle - http://asianwomengivingcircle.org/

Donors of Color Network - https://www.donorsofcolor.org/

Asian Boss Ladies - https://www.asianbossladies.com/

TargetSmart - https://targetsmart.com/

The US Trust Study

Philanthropy Always Sounds Like Someone Else: A Portrait of High Net Worth Donors of Color - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/606b68da6637e30aba86834a/t/62265df5becc740d42b90e5e/1646681594776/PORTRAIT_Executive_Summary_FINAL.pdf

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TIME STAMPS

TOPIC: Talking About the Report of the Study: Philanthropy Always Sounds Like Someone Else: A Portrait of High Net Worth Donors of Color

06:03 - 07:37

TOPIC: The opportunities that the nonprofits should be thinking about as they engage in these high-net-worth donors of color

22:53 - 24:25

QUOTES

“Trust is really important in doing this kind of work. And peer to peer is the only way this works like we found people who connected us…” - Hali Lee

“The country is changing. The communities of color in America are just growing in influence and affluence. And the philanthropy sector is a little bit lagging behind the other sectors…” - Hali Lee

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Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nonprofitlowdown/support

In this episode, we’re joined by the mind-bending Dr. Emily Bennet, ND, CEO of Kindling who answers the question, “How can we take better personal responsibility for our own well-being in the midst of being devoted to this purpose-driven work?” 

We talk about our personal experiences with workplace burnout and explore the internal and external pressures of wanting to “do more for the cause” at the expense of our mental and physical health. We dive into potential factors influencing our decisions to muscle through it despite all the warning signs. Are we influenced by hustle culture? Do we have generational baggage on board? Do Gen Zers have the answer to all our workplace woes? Join us to learn the three facets of burnout, practical tips for managers and execs to protect their teams and some of the common triggers of burnout. Spoiler alert! Your loneliness just might be killing you.  

Also, listen for a quick self-evaluation to determine if you or your team are at risk for or are currently experiencing burnout.

“There are these structural pieces that play a part in influencing somebody to set themselves aside entirely and give too much, such that the energy they’re putting toward the cause is not going to be sustainable.” - Emily

Links:

https://www.dremilybennett.com/free-training

Additional Resources: 

Going Horizontal by Samantha Slade

Reinventing Organizations by Frederic Laloux.

I LOVED this interview with Columbia University doctoral candidate Micah McElroy.  Micah is pursuing his PhD in the history of philanthropy in the US and we delve into all sort of interesting historical examples of philanthropy in America.  What cycles of wealth and philanthropy are we seeing today?  Can we expect Jeff Bezos to lift the rock upon which he stands?  Let me know what you think in the comments!

This interview is a goldmine, y'all.  I interviewed my friend, Rob Lapidus, who should rightly be considered a major donor by most measures.  He's also incredibly forthright and I ask him all the questions that fundraisers wonder about all the time.  He gives a no BS, no holds barred interview about the worst fundraisers he's ever encountered, how he and his wife make philanthropic decisions and the secret to success ("We're all in sales--don't take it so personally.")  This interview will shed light on how some of your major donors think and it's worth a listen.

For more about Rob: https://www.ll-holding.com/our-people/robert-t-lapidus/

This week, I had an enlightening conversation with Jay Frost about how the old rules of fundraising are DEAD. 🛑

2024 has been a wild ride, especially in the fundraising world, and I’m here to share how you can not only survive but THRIVE in this new landscape. 🌟

Here are some key takeaways:

- **Moves Management is Dead**: I explain why the traditional moves management calendar might not be effective in 2024. Instead, focus on creating a customized experience for major donors. 🔄🚫

- **The Power of Individual Giving**: Discover why individual gifts make up a significant portion of fundraising and how to craft a strategy that taps into this potential. 💡💵

- **The Importance of Consent**: Learn how to build authentic relationships with donors by being transparent and asking for permission before making an ask. This approach helps in creating a trust-based partnership rather than just a transactional one. 🤝✨

- **Rethink Wealth Screening**: We discuss the limitations of wealth screenings and why a more holistic approach, including surveys and direct engagement, might be more effective in understanding and connecting with your donors. 📊🔍

If you’re in the nonprofit sector or just curious about the intricacies of major gift fundraising, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in now to gain insights and strategies that could transform your approach to donor relationships!

Important Links:

💥 **Don’t Miss Out:** I’m hosting a FREE webinar on August 15th at 2 PM Eastern to dive deep into the updated strategies you need to succeed. Register at http://rheawong.com . 

My Book, Get That Money Honey: https://go.rheawong.com/get-that-money-honey 

My Big Ask Gifts Program: https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program 

Hey Gen X Leader: confounded by your millennial and Gen Z staffers? At a loss for how to make an organizational change and DEI happen in my conversation with Leslie Short, the President and the Founder of the CAVU group.

We discuss managing the generational divide in organizations, acceleration of DEI, the difference, and the snapshot of today's generation who are entering the workforce.

For more about Leslie: https://www.leslieshort.com/

To connect with Leslie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslie-short-1020052/

You can also follow her on:

Facebook - https://web.facebook.com/leslieskimmedia?_rdc=1&_rdr

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/k.i.m.mediallc/

Twitter - https://twitter.com/kimmediallc

Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/kimmedia/

Resources and Websites Mentioned in the Podcast:

The Cavu Group - https://thecavugroup.com/

Marshall Goldsmith - https://marshallgoldsmith.com/

K.I.M. Media LLC - https://kim-media.com/

(Leslie’s Book) Expand Beyond Your Current Culture - https://www.amazon.com/Expand-Beyond-Your-Current-Culture/dp/1947540130

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QUOTES

“If you can communicate the big picture of the focus, mission, values, and how this is going to be executed, then you wouldn't be stuck with every generation that asked him for all these other details…” - Leslie Short

“There's much more communication that's expected. To give a quarter and say, go and do this without the context of the bigger picture, that doesn't work for this generation.” - Leslie Short

“For the younger generation, you have to understand that you have talent, but you also have a huge talent that hasn't been released yet that maybe needs to be cultivated…” - Leslie Short

“Culture… You have to cultivate. That's the expectation of how you expect people to work, how you expect people to show up, how they should be trusted when they show up, how you handle meetings, what your branding, your mission, your values, and your vision is, and how you make that come alive every day.” - Leslie Short

“That's why visibility and not transparency are important… That you all are up-to-date on things that are happening.” - Leslie Short

“Don't assume that everyone understands the mission. Even though it's printed somewhere, make sure you're clear on the mission, make sure you're clear on the values. Values are very big to this generation.” - Leslie Short

“Understand that everyone doesn't work the same way.” - Leslie Short

“Be aware of who you're working with, in their strengths and their weaknesses from leadership all the way through…” - Leslie Short

“Understanding your strengths and your weaknesses, you have to know what that is in order to be a leader.” - Leslie Short

“In order to manage someone else, you have to know what you're good at, and what you're not so good at. And you have to listen, and you have to build trust.” - Leslie Short

“You have to build trust, and trust is action. It’s not just always a conversation.” - Leslie Short

TIME STAMPS

TOPIC: What Led Leslie Short to Found the CAVU Group

00:36 - 02:10

TOPIC: Talking About the Ways in Which DEI Has Changed in the Last Three Years

02:32 - 04:37

TOPIC: how do we balance the sort of complexity of the organizational change with the demands of this young workforce

09:29 - 11:24 

Friends, join me and my brother from another mother Ron Rapatalo to talk all about the Asian things.

In this riveting podcast episode, the incredible Ron Rapatalo chats about being a leading advocate for AAPI representation, allyship, and girl dadhood. Ron, a visionary author of "Leverage People: What I Know About People to Personally and Professionally Win," shared his enlightening views on AAPI invisibility, collaborating with other BIPOC leaders, embracing fatherhood, and finding inspiration in Elsa. Join us as we delve into Ron's powerful insights and connect with him on LinkedIn at Ron Rapatalo LinkedIn and grab a copy of his book on Amazon.

"People have to earn the full dimensionality and vulnerability of who you are" - Ronald

Erica Hamilton: mother, wife, social justice warrior, leader.  For those of you who missed Erica's previous podcast episode, I'm thrilled to interview her again as she kicks off her newest adventures.  Erica is passionate about social justice and supporting BIPOC womxn who may struggle to thrive in environments that were not created for them.  In this interview, we chat about some big things, including:

1) Womxn of color and their relationship to money and wealth-building

2) How to know if an organization is truly down for the cause or simply doing "performative wokeness."

3) How Erica's new coaching business focuses on supporting womxn of color and how to give them the space to exhale.

Listen in on this important convo that feels like friends just hanging out and talking about the Important Stuff.  

For more about Erica (and to get coaching from her!) check out: https://twitter.com/ehamilton?lang=en

To apply for the Institute for Nonprofit Practice: http://www.nonprofitpractice.org/apply-nyc

In this solo episode of Nonprofit Lowdown, I dive deep into one of the most pressing issues in the nonprofit world—burnout. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed, like you’re running in place just to keep your nonprofit afloat, this episode is for you.

I share a game-changing framework to help nonprofit leaders prioritize their time, focus on high-impact activities, and avoid the dreaded burnout spiral. 

You’ll learn:

- Why all tasks are NOT created equal—and how to identify the ones that really matter.

- The 4 key quadrants to organize your time and maximize ROI.

- How to leverage delegation, automation, and elimination to reclaim hours in your day.

- The surprising truth about donor retention and why it’s your secret weapon for growth.

Special Resources:

Download the free worksheet mentioned in the episode to start tracking your time and organizing your priorities like a pro.

Bonus:

Mark your calendar for December 12th! Join me for a free webinar, Why Major Gift Fundraising Sucks—and What to Do Instead. Sign up on my website here.

Action Steps:

-Track your activities over the next 3–5 days and identify where you’re spending your time.

-Focus on strategic revenue-generating activities for maximum impact.

-Share your feedback on this solo episode and suggest topics you’d love to hear in 2025!

Let’s make 2025 the year of strategic focus and growth for your nonprofit!

Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with your fellow nonprofit leaders.

Listen in on my conversation with Karene Richards as she talks about her experience as a philanthropist and board member.  We directly confront myths about the lack of Black wealth and Black philanthropists and she shares some of her tips for engaging philanthropists of color.  Ultimately, it's all about relationships, people.  Karene majored in math, is a former banker and launched her own fitness consulting business.  When she's not helping people to pump iron, she models in bikini competitions and gives back to her community.  Seriously, check out the befores and afters from her biz.

For more about Karene, visit: https://fithiddenfigure.com/

In this episode, I interviewed David Meltzer, co-founder of Sports One Marketing and bestselling author. We talked about shifting from scarcity to abundance. David emphasized the importance of embracing abundance, conquering fears, and appreciating what we have. He shared practical strategies like focusing on what we want, surrounding ourselves with like-minded individuals, and adding value first when fundraising. If you're interested, reach out to David at david@davidmeltzer.com to join his community and learn more.

Stay tuned for more insightful episodes of Nonprofit Lowdown! 🎧✨

"Be Kind To Your Future Self" - David

Join me and Brooke Richie Babbage as we reveal the 🔑 to nonprofit growth. Get ready for an enlightening discussion on strategic vision 🌟, strong teams 💪, efficient systems 📊, and optimized fundraising workflows 📈.

🔍 Discover the power of a crystal-clear mission and vision statement. Set the course for success!

💪 Build a robust team and embrace strong governance. It's not just about hiring!

📊 Streamline your systems for maximum efficiency and effectiveness. Automate, measure, and refine!

💼 Optimize fundraising workflows and harness the potential of CRM tools. Maximize donor engagement and revenue!

Unlock the hidden potential within your nonprofit. 🚀

Take this quiz to see how to take it to the next level: https://quiz.tryinteract.com/#/64500527cd8e2a001492799d

Get ready to scale your nonprofit to new heights! Hit that play button now and embark on a transformative journey. 💥💼

Join me and CPA Chyla Graham to talk about how to deal with your nonprofit budgeting and money management during this crazy time.  Chyla drops a ton of value bombs like:

• Why women of color may shy away from the finances.
• How to train your board at the appropriate level of financial oversight.
• Benefits of zero-based budgeting
• How to align your budgets with the stuff you care about and value.

Chyla brings over a decade of experience as an auditor and CPA in the nonprofit sector to the conversation.  She's also a trapeze artist!

For more about Chyla, check her out here: https://www.cnrgaccountingadvisory.com/

To download her board meeting dashboard, visit: https://www.cnrgaccountingadvisory.com/financialdashboard/

To download her cash flow projection tool, visit:  https://cnrgaccountingadvisory.com/cashflow/

This episode comes with a warning label: Could trigger flashbacks of bad funder memories!  Join me and Kris Putnam-Walkerly, philanthropy advisor, to talk about her new book Delusional Altruism.  In this episode, we get into the minds and behind the scenes of funders.  Surprise!   Philanthropists: they're just like us!  We discuss how fear and scarcity hold philanthropists back from achieving their vision of the world and what happens when funders and nonprofits scrimp money on the wrong things.  I really enjoyed this refreshing episode with Kris, which shed a light on some of the more baffling philanthropic practices.

For more about Kris, check out: https://putnam-consulting.com/

Fakequity= Fake equity.  Like when you're in a meeting and someone repeats something a person of color said and takes credit for it.  Or when "These people need..." or "They need to..." is said.  Or when someone misses a previous meeting and then questions the decision made.  Or when being short on time is used to justify NOT asking the community that is impacted.  Or when someone tries to shift the conversation to class from race because race is just too uncomfortable.  Or when someone "doesn't see color."  When you're working in a social justice space and you feel like you're at the Mad Hatters Tea Party, this episode is for you.  Join me and Fakequity Founder to talk about racial equity and nonprofits.

To learn more about Erin and to play Fakequity bingo, check out: www.fakequity.com

Join me and communications expert Adora Drake as we talk about some of the do's and don'ts of nurturing your email list.  We talk about content strategies, how to move your audience from social media to your newsletter and how to do it without overwhelm.  As we head into year-end, Adora talks about how to plan for the new year.  Adora also has a freebie for Nonprofit Lowdown listeners available below.

To get your freebie, visit: www.adoradrakemarketing.com/nonprofitlowdown/

🎙️ This week, I’m chatting with my business bestie, Brooke Richie-Babbage. We’re diving deep into the challenges many of us have faced in 2024—yes, it’s been a tough year!

✨ From feeling stuck to grappling with budget concerns, we’re exploring why so many nonprofits are struggling, despite doing everything “right.” We talk about the importance of authenticity in storytelling and how to break through the noise in a world flooded with information.

💡 Join us as we share personal stories of our own missteps (hello, hiring mistakes and epic event flops) and discuss the power of acknowledging our gaps to foster growth.

🌟 If you're feeling overwhelmed or unsure, you're not alone! Tune in to hear how to embrace uncertainty and keep moving forward.

Important Links:

Connect with Brooke: https://brookerichiebabbage.com/ 

Brooke’s Courses: https://brookerichiebabbage.com/courses-resources/ 

My Big Ask Gifts Program: https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program 

My Book, Get That Money Honey: https://go.rheawong.com/get-that-money-honey 

My Newsletter: https://www.rheawong.com/ 

This month, as we head into the holiday giving season, we're featuring podcasts about fundraising!  This week, I'm chatting with Crystal Leochko Johnston, Founder of Eclipse Research to talk about how to identify and validate donor prospects.  Do you ever feel like fundraising is trying to find your way in the dark?  Ever hear your board tell you that they don't know anyone wealthy?  Think that you could target your current donor list for bigger gifts?  Don't miss this episode.  Today's $100 donor could be tomorrow's $100,000 donor if you have the right data.

For more about Crystal click here: www.eclipseresearchgroup.com/

Free prospect research sources:

• NOZA Search - listing of Canadian and U.S. donation records (paid subscription) - www.nozasearch.com
• Newspaperarchive - newspapers from Canada, U.S. and 27 other countries (paid subscription) - www.newspaperarchive.com
• U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission - U.S. Securities information (free) - www.sec.gov
• SEDI (System for Electronic Disclosure by Insiders) - information on Canadian insiders (free) - www.sedi.ca
• SEDAR (The System for Electronic Document Analysis and Retrieval) - Canadian securities documents (free) - www.sedar.com
• Federal Election Commission - U.S. political donations (free) - www.fec.gov

What a treat this interview with my dear friend and soul sister Maureen Yusuf-Morales is!  Mo and I worked together at Breakthrough New York and she has gone on to become an expert educator, school founder and principal and DEI trainer.  In this interview, we talk about examining and unpacking the racist practices of schooling in America, how to be an anti-racist parent and what educators and parents can do to dismantle racism.  This is a fun, whole-hearted and thoughtful interview from one of the most talented educators I know.

For more about Mo: https://www.maureenyusufmorales.com/

To check out anti-racist parenting resources, click here: https://www.facebook.com/curious.parenting/photos/a.113612870282449/146570016986734/?theater

For more about the conference Maimuna mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maimuna-mohammed-m-s-ed-7595b589_blacklivesmatter-inclusiveleadership-education-activity-6682438959559188480-dgbc

In order for someone to remark on something, it must be remarkable.  Michelle, Executive Director of the Human Services Council, and I talk about their last video campaigns.  In it, they had the courage to claim an edge and to use humor to make their point.  Facts: we don't need another boring, canned nonprofit video.  In this interview, Michelle talks about the creative process, how the videos have been received and how they have made a point using humor.  The takeaway: the work is serious, but you don't have to be.  Listen to this as inspiration and courage to plan your next campaign.

To see the videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gELZnORV4U

To connect with Michelle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-jackson-03a1a648/

🤔 Are you struggling with board dynamics? Wondering how to engage board members effectively without micromanaging?

In this episode, Melissa Madzel, founder of Do Good Connections, shares insights from her years in executive search, exploring:

• The lifecycle of boards and the importance of strategic recruitment

• How to foster strong leadership within your board

• Tips for decoupling board membership from fundraising pressures

• Best practices for onboarding and setting expectations

If you’re an ED looking to navigate the complexities of board relationships, this episode is for you!

Important Links:

Connect with Melissa: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissamadzel 

My Big Ask Gifts Program: https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program 

My Book, Get That Money Honey: https://go.rheawong.com/get-that-money-honey 

My Newsletter: https://www.rheawong.com/ 

Diversifying your board - yup, it's time for that awkward convo! But it's so key for representing your community, getting new perspectives, and just making decisions with more empathy and cultural awareness. Am I right?In this episode, I chat with Andy and Mayowa from the National Science and Technology Medals Foundation about how they transitioned their board from pale and male 👴👴 to a diverse dream team! 🙌

Here are some nuggets of wisdom gleaned from our discussion: :

• To effectively diversify, you have to look beyond surface diversity to passion and abilities.

• Relationship building is clutch! Take time to connect with potential recruits before they join. Steward each member intentionally even after they've joined.
  

• Give diverse members multiple ways to add value, not just cutting checks. Offer options like volunteering, social media, and building networks.

• Lend recruiting support by doing prep work like LinkedIn searches and email templates. Meet them where they're at!

• Foster connections between members through fun social events outside meetings. Personal bonds help teams work together.

“Set the aspirational goal of what you want the board to look like in

terms of representation … diversity … skill set… [G]o for that. It's going to get frustrating but it's a worthy exercise.” - Andy Rathmann-Noonan

“Some people really do not come from a place where there's generational wealth, but they have something to offer “ -Mayowa Awe

It may get uncomfortable, and it will definitely take time and patience; but, diversifying your board will uplevel the impact and effectiveness of your org! Check out the episode for more practical insights on how you can diversify your board and have capacity while achieving the mission and vision of your NPO. 

Important Links: 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-rathmann-noonan-69081053/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mayowaawe/

https://nationalmedals.org/

Hey.  So, my pal, Emily wrote a book called Obsessed.  She also happens to be the branding genius behind household brands like Casper, Boxed, and Allbirds.  So, yeah, she knows a thing or two about branding.  Listen in to this episode where Emily drops huge value bombs like:

1) How to simplify and streamline your message (literally, NOBODY needs to know about the mind-numbing details of your mission)

2) Why a five-minute elevator pitch is actually a massive failure

3) How to use qualitative research to WIN

4) How the fear of death will help you to clarify your message

5) How good branding is about the emotional experience of your end user and what Danny Meyer knows better than anybody.

Listen and learn!  To learn more about Emily, check her out here: https://redantler.com/

To buy Obsessed, click here: https://amzn.to/3f7Bure

Happy Thanksgiving y'all!  It's particularly fitting that today's post is with my friend Kishshana: truth-teller, inspo and fundraiser extraordinaire.  I'm thankful to have people like Ms. Kishshana in my life.  Join today's no-holds-barred convo about the unique challenges that women of color (especially Black women) face in major gift fundraising, what happens behind closed doors and how to get that DEI party started at your organization.  Ms. K drops ALL the truth bombs like it's hot and she's funny as hell.  We're speaking truth to power and making #noapologies!

To find out more about this diva: https://kishshanaco.com/

To read Kishshana's latest piece in the Chronicle of Philanthropy, check it out here: https://www.philanthropy.com/article/How-to-Keep-Women-of-Color/247544

In this interview from our webinar series, we're talking with Minna Taylor, Founder of Energize Your Voice, about how to effectively communicate with your team via Zoom, how your content is the LEAST important thing that you're communicating and how to harness your breath and body for impactful communication.  This is a must-listen for leaders who want to maximize their impact, especially in a remote environment.

For more about Minna, visit: https://www.energizeyourvoice.net/

To see some of Minna's training videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGyd7dGgnU

You're not bossy if you are the boss.

Today I'm talking with my friend Tammy Dowley-Blackman about her journey as a leader, the challenges faced by folks of color in the development field and how she went from Executive Director to launching her own consulting firm.  We talk about the strategy of scaling, how to think about the business and why motherhood inspired her to be an entrepreneur.  This is a must-listen for those of you who are thinking about striking out on your own.

Join me and my friend (and first boss!) Sam Marks to understand the financial side of nonprofits.  As the new CEO of FJC: A Foundation of Philanthropic Funds, we talk about what exactly a Donor Advised Fund (DAF) is, how nonprofits who need a loan to even out cash flow can get one, why it's important to get a handle on your expenses and what he's learned from over twenty years in the social sector.  He's good people and it's an elucidating conversation about financial aspects of running a nonprofit.

To learn more about FJC, check out: https://www.fjc.org/

Join me and my new pal Ramon to talk about similar best practices in sales and fundraising.  Ramon and I explore how bad salespeople and bad fundraisers give us all a bad name, the power of relationship and the need to invest in yourself to succeed.  Some key takeaways:

• Bringing the right energy and being in the right headspace are key to fundraising and sales.
• Invest in yourself to increase your skills--don't wait for someone else to give you permission.
• Focus on building the relationship and the rest will follow.
• Believing deeply in your product (or mission) to improve your client's (or donor's) life will drive success.

I really enjoyed this wide-ranging conversation and it was an eye-opener for me to realize how similar sales and fundraising are (and how they're different in important ways!). To connect with Ramon, check him out on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramon-w-basie/

In this insightful episode, I engage in a profound discussion with the esteemed Latanya Mapp Frett, Executive Director of Global Fund for Women, and author of 'The Everyday Feminist: The Key to Sustainable Social Impact - Driving Movements We Need Now More than Ever'.

Fun fact: Latanya was my boss over 20 years ago when I interned at UNICEF and we’re reconnecting!

We delve into the heart of influential feminist social movements, examining the leaders, art, and narratives that have propelled them to success. Mapp Frett shares her expertise, offering practical steps that organizations and individuals can implement to further their impact.

We discuss the significance of feminist funds, the role of men and boys in advancing a feminist future, and provide actionable advice to enact change globally.

'The Everyday Feminist' serves as a strategic blueprint for effecting social change. You can find the book in our show notes or click here to purchase. This episode is a crucial listen for anyone committed to making a difference. Tune in for a deep exploration of practical feminism in action.

"Women are the ones who are doing the work. So why are matching the resources not getting to them?" - Latanya

As fundraisers, this COVID-19 has presented more than a few challenges.  Join me and master fundraiser Kara Logan Berlin to talk about what savvy development directors are doing now, what to communicate to your funders and how to come out stronger when this ends.  Kara has raised millions of dollars and is passionately committed to teaching people how to do development well.  We are in this together and Kara provides her best advice and guidance to help you through with actionable tips and lots of support.

For more about Kara and her firm, check out: http://harvestklb.com/

To download Kara's top tips, visit: https://bit.ly/2JRkJn6

Do you freak out when people unsubscribe to your newsletters?  Are you overwhelmed with marketing on different platforms: Facebook, email, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, oh my?  If so, this episode is for you.  Christina, email marketing maven, walks us through some actionable tips on how to clean up your lists, increase your opens and conquer email for conversions to donations.

Get Christina's free email clean-up tips: https://www.splendidcourses.com/emailguide?r_done=1

To connect with Christina: https://www.splendidatl.com/

Today we're chatting with my buddy, Morty Ballen, who lived through the go-go days of charter school expansion.  As the CEO and Founder of Explore Schools, Morty oversaw the replication of three schools in an eight year period.  He shares his lessons learned (spoiler alert: it's the people!) and what is on the other side of leaving after 20 years of being the CEO.  Morty is humble, insightful and good-natured and I enjoyed this conversation immensely.  

In this episode, Pooya Pourak, a design strategist, shares how human-centered design principles can be used to create meaningful connections with donors during the interview process. By focusing on curiosity and connection, nonprofits can build trust and rapport with donors, uncover their motivations, and create customized engagement plans that align with their values. Pooya also shares tips for making the donor interview process more engaging and enjoyable. Overall, this episode emphasizes the importance of using human-centered design to build deeper relationships with donors and create more effective fundraising strategies. To connect with Pooya: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pooyapourak/ "It's not research, it's engagement" - Pooya Pourak

Join me and my new friend Karla Monterroso to talk about her important work as CEO of Code2040.  In today's high-flying tech economy, Code 2040 is committed to dismantling racial barriers that keep Latinx and Black tech workers from the highest levels of leadership.  Karla shares the work that she does with the tech community and beyond to help break down the systemic barriers to racial equity in many different industries.  We talk about actionable things that leaders can do to start to build an equitable system, why most DEI initiatives suck and how you can know where you are on the spectrum of racial equity advocate.  Plus, there's a quiz!  

For more about Code2040, visit: http://www.code2040.org/

To take the quiz, visit: https://medium.com/racial-equity-in-tech/five-types-of-racial-equity-advocates-in-tech-c72e5c384335

Social media is a modern-day jungle. If you don’t know who you are and what you want to say; the algorithms will eat you for breakfast. So what choice do non-profit folks have if we want to be heard above all the noise? Please, don’t tell me I have to dance... PLEASE don’t tell me I have to dance… 

Not even a little, my non-profit fam! 

For your sake and mine, today I’m joined by the marvelous Tania Bhattacharyya, founder of Lumos Marketing Co and host of Campfire Circle Podcast. She’ll tell us all about her experience in the non-profit world and her unmatched storytelling prowess on LinkedIn. Tania teaches underrecognized social impact leaders - coaches, consultants, service providers, and nonprofit execs - to build top of mind trust and community by sharing their stories on LinkedIn. 

 “What's beautiful about building a personal brand as a non-profit leader is you get to pick the audience that … lights you up and that you were put on this planet to make a difference for. And so often it is the person that you once were or still are. It's the person that you can become a guide for because you have trudged through that journey yourself and now you have some nuggets of expertise and advice and wisdom to pass on.” - Tania Bhattacharyya

Tania champions the idea that you can be consistent and “lazy on LinkedIn” and still gain traction with people you want to meet. It’s all about resonance versus reach, and I can’t wait for you to soak it all in!  

Get ready to hear practical tips for building your brand and cultivating legit relationships on LinkedIn through thought leadership–without doing a song and dance or an endless stream of meaningless content. 
Important Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tania-bhattacharyya/

https://lumosmarketing.co/podcast

🚀 Is your board more like a stubborn mule than a spirited stallion when it comes to fundraising? 🐴

On today's edition of Nonprofit Lowdown, we're diving into a burning question that keeps many of you up at night: "Why won't my board fundraise?"😡 

You're not alone in this struggle—research shows only 41% of boards are engaged in fundraising. Shocking, right?

In this episode, we get real about the multitude of reasons why boards shy away from fundraising duties—from lack of awareness and understanding of their roles to deeper issues like money baggage. We discuss strategies to energize your board: assessing willingness and skill, empowering through training, and setting clear and achievable expectations.

💡 Discover:

How to diagnose and address the specific reasons behind your board's fundraising hesitance.

Effective methods to transform your board from passive participants to active champions of your cause.

Tired of doing the heavy lifting alone? Tune into this episode for practical tips that will help you craft a board that not only understands their fundraising role but excels at it!

Important links:

https://go.rheawong.com/big-ask-gifts-program

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/nonprofitlowdown/episodes/244---Innovations-in-Board-Management-with-Bill-Ryan-e26onag

Whether we like it or not, dealing with sticky HR situations is part of the job.  Join me as we chat with HR law expert Chip Fournier about best practices in HR and how keep an employee termination from terminating your nonprofit.  

Did you know that 5% of your supporters and responsible for 100% of your word-of-mouth referrals?  Do you know how to engage and activate your best supporters?  What is the role of a CRM system in engaging your supporters?  Join me and Hilary Doe of Nationbuilder to talk about how to start, nurture and leverage networks on behalf of your nonprofit.  We discuss common misconceptions about worrying too much about your brand and the fine balance between structure and freedom to take your network to the next level.

For more about Hilary, visit: https://nationbuilder.com/hilary

For more about Susan Fiske: https://www.fiskelab.org/

This episode is FIRE.  Join me and my friend Dr. Eugene K Choi to discuss how to manage your mind to avoid burnout, anxiety and panic.  Did you know that your brain is only ever in one of two modes: survival or executive?  Learn about the characteristics of both and how to regulate yourself to stop freaking out, calming down and being effective.

Want to know more? https://dreugenekchoi.medium.com/

To connect with Dr. Eugene: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eugenekchoi/

Resources Mentioned in the Podcast:

Destiny Hacks - https://destinyhacks.co/

Harvard Business Review - https://hbr.org/

Dr. Eugene’s Podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-neurohacking-podcast/id1545882602

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QUOTES FROM Dr. Eugene Choi

“The survival state is the state when your brain thinks your life is in danger. It's a mode where you are reacting without thinking.” - Dr. Eugene Choi

“Research shows that emotional pain can be just as painful as physical pain. That's how our brain processes it.” - Dr. Eugene Choi

“Money is an easy trigger for us to go into a survival state…” - Dr. Eugene Choi

“If you want to be a great leader, the number one you need to do is to understand the concept of true ownership.” - Dr. Eugene Choi

“It's the loneliness that's causing the burnout. How lonely you feel directly correlates with how burnt out you get.”  - Dr. Eugene Choi

“We have to develop the eyes to see what fight-flight-freeze looks like. That actually helps you connect the dots on why we're in this for 70% of our adult life.” - Dr. Eugene Choi

“So how do we fight from an emotional survival standpoint? It could be perfectionism, which is to fight to be perfect.” - Dr. Eugene Choi

“The fight itself will lead to burnout. I have seen it time and time again, fighting always leads to burnout, it always leads to lack of fulfillment.” - Dr. Eugene Choi

TIME STAMPS

TOPIC: Talking About the Different States of Your Brain

03:20 - 04:40

TOPIC: Talking About the Significant Source of Burnout

12:14 - 13:20

How is fundraising like dating?  From first meeting to courtship to finally "sealing the deal" Jonah and I take a humorous perspective on major gift fundraising.  Learn how to avoid the most common pitfalls (i.e. talking too much about yourself) and learn why I call major gift fundraising the "jazz" of the development world.  Remember, people, it's not about the money--it's about the relationships!  Jonah is smart, experienced, insightful and fun.  You'll enjoy this energetic conversation about how to romance your donors so they keep coming back for more.

For more about Jonah, visit: altruicity.com

To get a free chapter of Jonah's book, visit: https://www.dateyourdonors.com/ 

Join me and my two friends, Evin and Jessica of America on Tech, to discuss their success as start-up founders.  Evin and Jessica are best friends and co-founders of a fast-growing organization that scaled from idea to national nonprofit in only seven years.  They discuss their lessons learned, what they wish they had done differently and how they were able to build hype from the beginning.  Learn how they their background in tech informed their start-up strategy and what is next for this dynamic duo.  

For more about America on Tech, visit: https://www.americaontech.org/