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29 Mar 2024Trailer00:04:25

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Welcome to Never Mind The Dambusters, a brand new podcast dedicated to RAF Bomber Command's wartime history.Β  The Dams raids were perhaps amongst the most famous and daring of the Second World War, but there's so much more to Bomber Command's history.
Join historians Jane Gulliford Lowes and James Jefferies fortnightly for a deep dive into Bomber Command - strategy, policy, aircraft, bombing raids, aircrew and veteran stories, the role of the ground crews, the moral debate, and the experience of the civilians at the sharp end of the strategic bombing campaign.
We'll be joined by specials guests from around the world to debate these and other topics, and answering YOUR questions each week. Get in touch on twitter/X at @RAFBomber_Pod or on Instagram at Never Mind The Dambusters.Β 
We're always looking for guests, so if you'd like to come on the show to talk about your research/ family story/whatever, please reach out!
Thank you for listening.Β 

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You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

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02 Apr 2024Episode 1 - Bomber Command Begins00:44:22

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Welcome to the first episode of Never Mind The Dambusters! In this episode James and Jane discuss the origins of their mutual interest in RAF Bomber Command, and talk about the evolution of Strategic Bombing Theory from the Great War to the late 1930s.
What did it take to build a strategic bomber force and why was it necessary?Β  How do you build a bomber base?
James waxes lyrical about the Bristol Blenheim, and the team answer your questions, on parachutes and training ops.
Buckle up!

For further reading on air power theory, we recommend:
Professor John Buckley's Air Power in the Age of Total War (quoted by Jane in this episode)
Tami Davis Biddle's Rhetoric and Reality in Air Warfare - The evolution of British and American Ideas About Strategic Bombing 1914-1945
Richard Overy's The Air War 1939-1945, and his The Bombing War.Β 
Thank you for listening!Β 

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You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

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16 Apr 2024Episode 2 - Erks, Chop Girls and Gremlins00:46:51

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In this episode, the James and Jane are joined by Dr. Dan Ellin to discuss the role of ground crew, ground personnel (there's a difference!) and Women's Auxiliary Air Force (WAAF) during World War II.

The conversation touches on the concept of the 'chop girl' and the superstitions surrounding dating aircrew. The hosts also explore the relationships between ground crew and aircrew, the risks and dangers faced by ground personnel, and the traumatic experiences they had to deal with, such as handling the remains ofΒ  deceased aircrew members.

The discussion also delves into the concept of gremlins and their significance to the RAF, as well as the belief in 'scarecrow' as a psychological weapon.Β 

Look out on our social media channels for photographs to accompany this episode.Β  You can find us on X/twitter at @RAFBomber_Pod and on Instagram at @NeverMindTheDambusters

Further reading:
You can read Dr Dan Ellin's PhD thesis here https://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/73976/

To find out what James has been up to, click here ; Jane's website can be found at https://www.justcuriousjane.com/

If you'd like to know more about Jane's uncles (Jack -aircrew, Leo - groundcrew) their stories are told in Above Us The Stars: 10 Squadron Bomber Command - The Wireless Operator's Story

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Thanks for listening!Β 

TRIGGER WARNING: This episodes contains references to death and injury which some listeners may find distressing. It also contains discussion of 1940s attitudes to women, gender and class.Β 


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27 Apr 2024Episode 3 Handley Page Halifax - A Flight Engineer's Story00:38:13

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100 year oldΒ  RAF veteran Tom Davidson shares his experiences of flying on a Halifax in 1944-1945.

In this episode of Never Mind the Dam Busters, Jane and James discuss the Handley Page Halifax, an unsung hero of Bomber Command. They delve into the evolution of the Halifax, from the 'death-trap' early Marks to the magnificent Mk III, and its role in strategic bombing, mine laying, and other operations during World War II.

They also interview Tom Davidson, a flight engineer with 466 Squadron, who shares his experiences of flying in the Halifax and the strong bond he had with his crew. Funny, moving, and tragic - this is an episode you won't want to miss - and how can you not love that Geordie accent?
Watch out for photos of Tom, his pilot Pat and the rest of the crew on our social media.

You can read more of Tom's story, and about the Halifax and the men who flew it,Β  in Jane's book, Above Us The Stars.

If you'd like to see a real Halifax (well, a reconstructed one), visit Yorkshire Air Museum and Friday the 13th. You can even go on a tour of the inside (well worth it!) Details here
There's also S-Sugar at the RAF Museum in Hendon, still in the same state as when it was fished out of a Norwegian fjord...a very thought-provoking sight.Β 
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Keywords
Handley Page Halifax, Bomber Command, strategic bombing, mine laying, World War II, flight engineer, air crew, sacrifice, Royal Air Force , Arthur Harris

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07 May 2024Episode 4 Planning a Bombing Operation: Wuppertal 1943 (Pt.1)00:41:28

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In this episode, Jane and James discuss theΒ  planning of the raid on Wuppertal on 29/30 May 1943. They explore the reasons why Bomber Command targeted the Ruhr Valley and how targets were selected and operations were planned. They also focus on two rookie crews from 10 Squadron who took part in the raid, the Pennicott and Clarke crews. The episode highlights the constant activity and preparation involved in carrying out a bombing raid, as well as the young age of the crew members and the responsibilities they carried. TheΒ  role of various trades on the ground is also discussed.
Jane and JamesΒ  take us right into the briefing hall, and consider the reactions of the crews when yet another raid on the Ruhr Valley is announced. What was it like,Β  anticipating your first bombing operation?
The team also answer listeners' questions on cooperation between the RAF and USAAF. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the reality of strategic bombing and the impact on civilians.

More details of the Wuppertal raidΒ  and the crews involved can be found in Jane's book (Chapters 12 and 13) https://www.justcuriousjane.com/store-buy-books/ABOVE-US-THE-STARS-p191664106

For more reading on the Battle of the Ruhr, try Alan Cooper's excellent 'Air Battle of the Ruhr', and the novel 'The Happy Valley' by Jules Roy. The greatest (fictional ) work on Bomber Command is still Len Deighton's 'Bomber' ( also available on BBC Sounds)

To see the work involved in preparing and implementing a bombing raid, try Night Bombers



Key words
Bomber Command, Second World W

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21 May 2024Episode 5 The Wuppertal Raid Pt 2 - Firestorm00:36:27

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WARNING: This episode contains graphic descriptions of war, death and injury which some listeners may find distressing.

In this episode, Jane and JamesΒ  continue their discussion about the Wuppertal raid of May 1943, focusing on the experiences of two crews from 10 Squadron, Penny's Prangers and the Clarke crew, each taking part in their first operation.Β  The concept of 'the Bomber Stream' is explored, and the team then embark upon a minute by minute account of the operation, both from the point of view of the aircrew, and three citizens from Wuppertal caught up in the raid.

The devastating impact upon the city is analysed, together with the traumatic experiences of the members of the Clarke and Pennicott crews.

Two of the German accounts appear in a book entitled Vor Funfzig Jahren: Bomben Auf Wuppertal, by Herbert Pogt (Born-Verlag, 1993), and were translated by Ian MacNee for Jane's book 'Above Us The Stars: 10 Squadron Bomber Command -The Wireless Operator's Story', which also includes a much more detailed account of the raid.Β  The interview with Heilgard Hacker was also given for Above Us The Stars.

Additional information came from 10 Squadron ORB and diary,Β  the log books of Jack Clyde and Bill Bradshaw,Β  from 10 Squadron Association, and from an interview with Bill Bradshaw conducted in 2019.

The team also refer to the Bomber Command War Diaries, by Martin Middlebrook and Chris Ward (1985, 2014 - Pen & Sword).Β 


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02 Jul 2024Episode 8 - Arthur Harris and Area Bombing, with Professor Alan Allport00:47:16

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In this conversation, Jane and James chat to historianΒ  and author Professor Alan Allport about the decision of the British cabinet to allow the RAF to start bombing Germany's Ruhr Valley. He explains that this decision, made in May 1940, was a watershed moment in the war and really marked the beginning of the bombing campaign 'proper'.Β  Allport also discusses the Butt Report, which revealed the ineffectiveness of the early bombing raids, and its impact on Bomber Command. He then explores the appointment of Arthur Harris as the head of Bomber Command in the Spring of 1942, and his role in shaping the strategic and operational policies of the bombing campaign.

The team explore the policies surrounding area bombing and Harris's interpretation of the rules. They also discuss Harris's place in the collective memory and post-war historiography of Bomber Command.

Finally, the conversation touches on the effectiveness of the Fairy Battle aircraft and the importance of operational circumstances in determining an aircraft's success. Overall, the conversation challenges conventional wisdom and offers a nuanced perspective on Harris and the bombing war.

Jane and James refer to Alan's books Britain at Bay and Browned Off and Bloody Minded, as well as Arthur Harris 1947 book, Bomber Offensive.Β 

Keywords :Β 

World War II, Churchill,Β  RAF, Butt Report,Β  Arthur Harris, strategic bombing, operational policy,Β  Bomber Command, area bombing, collective memory, post-war historiography, Fairy Battle aircraft, operational circumstances.







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04 Jun 2024Episode 6 Bomber Command and D-Day (extended episode)01:05:27

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Β In this episode, Jane and James discuss RAF Bomber Command's role in Operations Neptune and Overlord,Β  initially focusing on the preparations for the invasion, particularly the mine-laying element known as MAPLE. They explore the complexities, challenges, and successes of the mine-laying operations, highlighting the inter-service cooperation and the strategic significance of the campaign, which has been so often overlooked. ( You'll be able to learn more about Bomber Command minelaying/gardening operations in Jane's forthcoming book, Invisible Campaign - Bomber Command Minelaying 1940-1945,Β  due to be published by Tempest Aviation at the back end of 2024).

The team then go on to discuss the wide range of bombing operations Bomber Command carried out before, during and after D-Day in support of the invasion. Jane and James delve into the success and significance of these operations, the challenges faced, and the impact on the war effort.

Dr Joseph Quinn Β  (@ww2research on X/twitter) joins the conversation to discuss the University of Oxford'sΒ  'Their Finest Hour' project, a digitization initiative to preserve and share personal stories and materials related to the Second World War. The conversation covers the democratization of a public history project, the preservation of wartime stories, and the challenges of memory and oral history. It also delves into the stories of RAF aircrew involved in operations supporting Overlord.Β  You can access the Their Finest Hour Website here, and the archive opens to the public at 6am on 6 June.

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Keywords

D-Day, RAF Bomber Command, Operation Overlord, Operation Neptune, Maple Minelaying Plan, mine-laying, inter-service cooperation, strategic significance,Β  World War II,Β  bombing,Β  Their Finest Hour, digitization project, personal stories, war materials, public history, wartime stories, memory, oral history, veteran accounts.Β 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Operation Overlord
11:55 The Complexity of Mine-Laying Operations: Strategic and Tactical Aspects
27:48 The Crucial Role of Mine-Laying and Bombing in World War II
43:12 Preserving Personal Stories: The 'Their Finest Hour' Project
55:22 Democratizing Public History: Crowdsourcing and Volunteer Efforts
57:18 Challenges of Memory: Oral History and Story Preservation
01:00:00 RAF Missions: Operational Details and Significance of Bomber Command







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18 Jun 2024Episode 7 - The Avro Lancaster, with Dr Sarah-Louise Miller00:33:18

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Jane and James interview Dr. Sarah Louise Miller about her new book on the Avro Lancaster, The Lancaster Story. They discuss the significance of the Lancaster in RAF Bomber Command during World War II and its cultural impact. They also explore the personal stories and experiences of those involved with the Lancaster, including ground crew and WAAFs. Sarah shares her research process and the new perspectives she brings to the history of the Lancaster.Β 
The team discuss some of the lesser-known life-saving missions of the Lancaster, such as the MANNA and EXODUS operations, which are often overshadowed by the aircraft's destructive capabilities. They also highlight the vital role of the WAAF in supporting the Royal Air Force (RAF) and challenge the narrative that women were merely support workers. The conversation touches on the importance of representing women's contributions in historical narratives and the need for more accurate and inclusive storytelling. The guests also discuss the challenges and emotional impact of researching and writing about these topics, and Sarah talks about her new project, telling the story of Hawaiian women in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.Β 

Keywords

Avro Lancaster, RAF Bomber Command, World War II, cultural impact, personal stories, ground crew, WAAF, research process, new perspectives,Β  Women's Auxiliary Air Force, MANNA, EXODUS, , support workers, representation, historical narratives, challenges, emotional impact








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16 Jul 2024Episode 9 Behind the Scenes at the RAF Museum00:48:51

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Jane and James discuss their upcoming talks at the We Have Ways of Making You Talk Second World War History Festival in July, andΒ  introduce their guests, Dr. Megan Kelleher and Rab Cooper, from the RAF Midlands Museum.Β 
Megan and Rab discuss the challenges of presenting the Air War to modern audiences, including the ethical questions surrounding strategic bombing in the Second World War. They also talk about the importance of engaging with younger generations and the evolving nature of memory and scholarship. The conversation covers various topics related to the RAF Museum and the memory of the air war in Britain.Β 
The hosts and guests discuss the importance of museums in preserving history and honouring the memory of those who served. They also mention specific objects and aircraft on display at the museum, such as Wing Commander Guy Gibson's medals and the V Bombers, and even Douglas Bader's legs! The conversation touches on the emotional impact of memorials and the stories behind them. They also talk about the research projects and exhibitions at the museum.

Keywords

We Have Ways of Making You Talk, Second World War, History Festival, talks, RAF Midlands Museum, strategic bombing, ethical questions, scholarship, heritage sector, presenting the story, generational shifts, challenges, modern audiences, engagement, technology, living memory, access to objects, conservation, artificial intelligence, public history, heritage sector, bombing war, memory, air war, museums, objects, aircraft, memorials, research projects, exhibitions

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and We Have Ways of Making You Talk Festival
03:03 Guest Introduction: Dr. Megan Kelleher and Rab Cooper
07:21 The Ethical Questions of Strategic Bombing
19:09 Memory, Scholarship, and Keeping Exhibitions Relevant
21:14 Challenges of Engaging with Younger Generations
25:45 The Importance of Museums in History Education
27:18 Memory of the Air War and Conceptualizing Memorials
31:51 Researching and Remembering Ancestors
36:44 Favourite Objects and Aircraft at the RAF Museum
43:18 Personal Stories and Emotional Connections
49:58 Future Plans for the Museum
51:06 Upcoming Episode: ResearchingΒ  Your Bomber Command Ancestor





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30 Jul 2024Episode 10 Researching Your Bomber Command Ancestor00:59:17

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We answer the question we get asked most frequently - "How do I go about researching someone who served with RAF Bomber Command?"

In this episode, we discuss how to research ancestors or family members who served with RAF Bomber Command during World War II. We provide a guide to tackling this topic and share own own experiences. We'll cover topics such as obtaining service records, using the London Gazette, exploring Squadron records, contacting Squadron Associations and utilizing genealogy websites.

Patience, persistence, and thinking outside the box when conducting research is key!

We'll explain how to access and research the service records of RAF personnel, and provide guidance on finding digitized records at the National Archives, paying for digitization services, and visiting the archives in person. We'll also be highlighting the importance of Squadron Diaries and Operational Record Books in understanding an ancestor's military service, using Commonwealth War Graves Records and the International Bomber Command Centre Losses Database, finding information on casualties, and the challenges of researching ground crew.

Finally,Β  we answer questions from listeners about tracking complete service records and finding photographs of training units..

To make things easier for you, here's a list of links to all the resources we talk about in this episode. You can also read an article based on this episode on Jane's website, https://www.justcuriousjane.com/

Obtain UK service records

Obtain RCAF service records

Obtain RAAF service records


Obtain RNZAF service records

London Gazette

The National Archives (including Casualty files )Β 

Commonwealth War Graves Commission

International Bomber Command Centre Losses DatabaseΒ 
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13 Aug 2024Episode 11 Your Bomber Command Questions Answered!00:43:42

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In this episode, Jane and James have a good old chinwag about We Have Ways Fest and their own research projects. Jane chats about her upcoming book on the Lofoten Commando raids, while James reveals his exciting news of writing a book on the Augsburg Raid.Β 

In the second half of the show, the team answer listeners' questions about the fate of crews after completing their tours, the different bomber command groups and their roles, the techniques used to maintain separation in the bomber stream, the prevalence of mid-air accidents, and the rank structure within bomber crews. Β 


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20 Aug 2024Episode 12 Cultural Memory and Moral Debate, with Daniel Knowles00:36:04

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Jane and James are joined by writer and historian Daniel Knowles to discuss the cultural memory and evolving opinions of RAF Bomber Command. They explore topics such as the role of Bomber Command in the defeat of Germany, the influence of the Dresden raids, and the moral debate surrounding area bombing.
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The historiography of Bomber Command is also examined, with a focus on how perceptions have changed over time. The conversation touches on films and books that have shaped popular understanding of Bomber Command, as well as the impact of events like the Vietnam War. The conversation explores the influence of various books and historical events on the perception of Bomber Command and the bombing of Germany. It discusses the role of authors like Irving, Grayling, and Overy in shaping public opinion.Β 

The conversation also touches on the changing perspectives on bombing strategy and the goals of the bombing campaign. The representation of aircrews and their personal views on their actions are examined, highlighting the complexity and nuance of their experiences. The discussion concludes with a reflection on the commemoration of Bomber Command and the importance of understanding the wider context of the war.


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27 Aug 2024(Premium) Episode 13 Combat Stress, Psychiatric Casualties, & 'Lack of Moral Fibre' - Dr Dan Ellin & Mary Brazier00:50:13

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**Episode on public release 28 August 2024

Β β€˜Even heroes have a breakdown point. Honour and moral fibre are variables. Like pain, the threshold is different in each of us.’
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This week, Jane discusses the issue of psychiatric casualties in Bomber Command, with Dr. Dan Ellin (University of Lincoln and International Bomber Command Centre) and Mary Brazier (mental health professional). They explore the treatment of mental health issues during World War II and the differences between psychology and psychiatry. They also discuss the RAF's lack of moral fibre policy and the stigma surrounding psychiatric casualties. The conversation touches on the comparison between the RAF and other services, such as the US Army Air Force, and the different approaches to mental health care. Jane, Mary and Dan explore the use of anaesthesia and the importance of sleep and rest in forward psychiatric units during World War II.
The team delves into the lack of moral fibre policy (and the many myths surrounding it) and how post-war understanding was influenced by changing medical beliefs and veterans' hopes for recognition. The fear of being labelled lacking in moral fibre was a real threat for aircrews and was equated with cowardice. The impact of the policy may have been exaggerated, but it was an effective deterrent. The conversation also touches on the social constructs of mental health and the challenges of language and terminology.

Further reading:
Dr Dan Ellin https://t.co/v9q3hTwfgK

Jane Gulliford Lowes https://www.justcuriousjane.com/lack-of-moral-fibre-part-2-origins/

We've listed more titles in the transcript section of the show notes.Β 








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28 Aug 2024Episode 13 Combat Stress, Psychological Casualties, & 'Lack of Moral Fibre' - Dr Dan Ellin & Mary Brazier00:50:13

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β€˜Even heroes have a breakdown point. Honour and moral fibre are variables. Like pain, the threshold is different in each of us.’
Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  - Phillip Gray, Bomber Pilot.
This week, Jane discusses the issue of psychiatric casualties in Bomber Command, with Dr. Dan Ellin (University of Lincoln and International Bomber Command Centre) and Mary Brazier (mental health professional). They explore the treatment of mental health issues during World War II and the differences between psychology and psychiatry. They also discuss the RAF's lack of moral fibre policy and the stigma surrounding psychiatric casualties. The conversation touches on the comparison between the RAF and other services, such as the US Army Air Force, and the different approaches to mental health care. Jane, Mary and Dan explore the use of anaesthesia and the importance of sleep and rest in forward psychiatric units during World War II.
The team delves into the lack of moral fibre policy (and the many myths surrounding it) and how post-war understanding was influenced by changing medical beliefs and veterans' hopes for recognition. The fear of being labelled lacking in moral fibre was a real threat for aircrews and was equated with cowardice. The impact of the policy may have been exaggerated, but it was an effective deterrent. The conversation also touches on the social constructs of mental health and the challenges of language and terminology.

Further reading:
Dr Dan Ellin's articles and MA thesis:
https://t.co/v9q3hTwfgK
https://t.co/k50xdX7mv6
https://t.co/uimXeVoTg5


Jane Gulliford Lowes https://www.justcuriousjane.com/lack-of-moral-fibre-part-2-origins/

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07 Sep 2024πŸ”’ (Premium) Episode 15 - ARNHEM: Glider Pilots and Bomber Tugs, with Matt Yates00:55:13

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This week we discuss the role of RAF bomber aircraft as glider tugs in the Arnhem airlift and airborne operations. We're joined by Matt Yates, the Chief Operations Officer for the Vickers Machine Gun Collection and Research Association, and owner of the Chalk Glider Pilot Regiment Collection.
Matt provides insight into the formation of the Glider Pilot Regiment, highlighting the close collaboration between glider pilots, and their tug crews, who were normally seconded from Bomber Squadrons. We debate the challenges and successes of various airborne operations, including Operations Freshman,Β  Husky, and Tonga.
We go on to discuss Operation Market Garden - a complex and ambitious plan to secure a foothold in Germany by capturing key bridges in the Netherlands and paving the way for a rapid advance into Germany. However, the operation faced challenges, including the loss of the element of surprise, intelligence issues, overconfidence, and a shortage of aircraft. The glider pilot regiment and their bomber crew tugs played a crucial role in transporting troops and supplies, but faced heavy anti-aircraft fire and suffered significant casualties. We also discuss the supply role of transport command. The operation ultimately fell short of its objectives, highlighting the difficulties and risks of large-scale airborne operations.
Links:
Arnhem: Myth & Reality, by Sebastian Ritchie

Jane's article: Bring Up The Piat!

Matt's recommendations:

Glider Pilots at Arnhem by Mike Peters and Luuk Buist.Β 

Arnhem Lift by Louis Hagen (a German Jew who fled Germany and joined the British Army)Β 

The History of the Glider Pilot Regiment by Claude Smith.Β 

Arnhem by Martin Middlebrook.Β 

A Noble Pair of Brothers

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10 Sep 2024Episode 15- ARNHEM : Glider Pilots and Bomber Tugs, with Matt Yates.00:55:13

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This week we discuss the role of RAF bomber aircraft as glider tugs in the Arnhem airlift and airborne operations. We're joined by Matt Yates, the Chief Operations Officer for the Vickers Machine Gun Collection and Research Association, and owner of the Chalk Glider Pilot Regiment Collection.
Matt provides insight into the formation of the Glider Pilot Regiment, highlighting the close collaboration between glider pilots, and their tug crews, who were normally seconded from Bomber Squadrons. We debate the challenges and successes of various airborne operations, including Operations Freshman,Β  Husky, and Tonga.
We go on to discuss Operation Market Garden - a complex and ambitious plan to secure a foothold in Germany by capturing key bridges in the Netherlands and paving the way for a rapid advance into Germany. However, the operation faced challenges, including the loss of the element of surprise, intelligence issues, overconfidence, and a shortage of aircraft. The glider pilot regiment and their bomber crew tugs played a crucial role in transporting troops and supplies, but faced heavy anti-aircraft fire and suffered significant casualties. We also discuss the supply role of transport command. The operation ultimately fell short of its objectives, highlighting the difficulties and risks of large-scale airborne operations.
Links:
Arnhem: Myth & Reality, by Sebastian Ritchie

Jane's article: Bring Up The Piat!

Matt's recommendations:

Glider Pilots at Arnhem by Mike Peters and Luuk Buist.Β 

Arnhem Lift by Louis Hagen (a German Jew who fled Germany and joined the British Army)Β 

The History of the Glider Pilot Regiment by Claude Smith.Β 

Arnhem by Martin Middlebrook.Β 

A Noble Pair of Brothers by Wing Commander DH Wood. Gives a full history of 3

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02 Sep 2024πŸ”’ (Premium) Episode 14 - Bomber Command in the Norwegian Campaign, 194000:24:02

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Jane is flying solo again this week so this is quite a short one!
In this episode she discusses the Norwegian campaign from April to June 1940, which is often overlooked in the history of Bomber Command and World War II.
Bomber Command's role in the campaign included bombing German air bases, attacking Kriegsmarine shipping, and mine laying. However, the operations were hampered by limited resources, inexperienced crews, and challenging terrain. The bombing raids were largely ineffective, and losses were high. The Norwegian campaign ended in failure, leading to the evacuation of Allied troops. The episode highlights the challenges faced by Bomber Command and sets the stage for the upcoming Battle of Britain.

Further reading:
The Bomber Command War Diaries, by Martin Middlebrook and Chris Everitt

Enemy Coast Ahead, by Guy Gibson

The German Invasion of Norway, by Geir Haar

Anatomy of a Campaign: The British Fiasco in Norway, 1940 by John Kiszely

Norway in the Second World War: Politics Society and Conflict, by Ole Kristian GrimnesΒ 

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03 Sep 2024Episode 14 - Bomber Command in the Norwegian Campaign, 194000:24:02

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Jane is flying solo again this week so this is quite a short one!
In this episode she discusses the Norwegian campaign from April to June 1940, which is often overlooked in the history of Bomber Command and World War II.
Bomber Command's role in the campaign included bombing German air bases, attacking Kriegsmarine shipping, and mine laying. However, the operations were hampered by limited resources, inexperienced crews, and challenging terrain. The bombing raids were largely ineffective, and losses were high. The Norwegian campaign ended in failure, leading to the evacuation of Allied troops. The episode highlights the challenges faced by Bomber Command and sets the stage for the upcoming Battle of Britain.

Further reading:
The Bomber Command War Diaries, by Martin Middlebrook and Chris Everitt

Enemy Coast Ahead, by Guy Gibson

The German Invasion of Norway, by Geir Haar

Anatomy of a Campaign: The British Fiasco in Norway, 1940 by John Kiszely

Norway in the Second World War: Politics Society and Conflict, by Ole Kristian GrimnesΒ 

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13 Sep 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 16 - The Memory Minefield: Veteran's Stories & Tall Tales, with Ally Campbell-Grieve00:39:51

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Jane is joined by Ally Campbell-Grieve ( James isn't available this week) to debate the thorny topic of how we should deal with veteran's accounts as historical sources.
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They explore the challenges historians face when analysing accounts from veterans, particularly those from Bomber Command during WWII. The conversation delves into the background of Ally's great uncle, Steve, and the discrepancies in his accounts of service during two operational tours, which culminated in his aircraft being shot down in July 1944.Β  The episode emphasizes the importance of critical analysis of veteran narratives, the influence of memory, and the impact of popular media on how stories are told. It concludes with reflections on the need for sensitivity when dealing with family histories and the importance of questioning accepted narratives in military history.

Links:
The Veteran's Tale by by Frances Houghton

Collected Memories: Holocaust History and Postwar Testimony, by Christopher R Browning

Article:Β 

THE MEMORY MINEFIELD – VETERAN TESTIMONY AND THE SEARCH FOR THE β€˜FACTS’, by Jane Gulliford LowesΒ 


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17 Sep 2024Episode 16 - The Memory Minefield: Veteran's Stories & Tall Tales, with Ally Campbell-Grieve00:39:51

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Jane is joined by Ally Campbell-Grieve ( James isn't available this week) to debate the thorny topic of how we should deal with veteran's accounts as historical sources.
Β 
They explore the challenges historians face when analysing accounts from veterans, particularly those from Bomber Command during WWII. The conversation delves into the background of Ally's great uncle, Steve, and the discrepancies in his accounts of service during two operational tours, which culminated in his aircraft being shot down in July 1944.Β  The episode emphasizes the importance of critical analysis of veteran narratives, the influence of memory, and the impact of popular media on how stories are told. It concludes with reflections on the need for sensitivity when dealing with family histories and the importance of questioning accepted narratives in military history.

Links:
The Veteran's Tale by by Frances Houghton

Collected Memories: Holocaust History and Postwar Testimony, by Christopher R Browning

Article:Β 

THE MEMORY MINEFIELD – VETERAN TESTIMONY AND THE SEARCH FOR THE β€˜FACTS’, by Jane Gulliford LowesΒ 



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20 Sep 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 17 - Masters of the Air, with Abby Whitlock00:41:47

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This week, host Jane Gulliford Lowes engages with American historian Abby Whitlock to explore the portrayal of the bombing campaigns during World War II in the series 'Masters of the Air'. They discuss Abby's personal journey into military aviation history, the cultural perceptions of RAF and USAAF crews, the representation of German civilians, and the themes of chivalry and heroism. The conversation also delves into the psychological toll of combat and the differences in how these narratives are portrayed in American and British media.

The infamous (well in the UK anyway!) pub scene in MOTA ep.2 ( the fight between the US and RAF aircrews) is debated, and Abby and Jane also mull over the legacy of 'Band of Brothers' and 'The Pacific' .

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You can also read Abby's article on Band of Brothers, which Jane references in this episode, here.








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24 Sep 2024Episode 17 - Masters of the Air, with Abby Whitlock00:41:47

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This week, host Jane Gulliford Lowes engages with American historian Abby Whitlock to explore the portrayal of the bombing campaigns during World War II in the series 'Masters of the Air'. They discuss Abby's personal journey into military aviation history, the cultural perceptions of RAF and USAAF crews, the representation of German civilians, and the themes of chivalry and heroism. The conversation also delves into the psychological toll of combat and the differences in how these narratives are portrayed in American and British media.

The infamous (well in the UK anyway!) pub scene in MOTA ep.2 ( the fight between the US and RAF aircrews) is debated, and Abby and Jane also mull over the legacy of 'Band of Brothers' and 'The Pacific' .

You can read more about Abby and her workΒ  here .

You can also read Abby's article on Band of Brothers, which Jane references in this episode, here.

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27 Sep 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 18 - Random Chat & Your Questions!00:38:40

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We're delighted to have James back on the show and in good form... This week we're having a random chat about all sorts of stuff, from books and films to 'dream flight' scenarios. We debate whether the USAAF could've carried out Operation Chastise, and whether more targeted bombing could've ended the war sooner. On the way we discuss everything from Colditz to dogs to John Mills... it's that kind of episode.Β 

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01 Oct 2024Episode 18 - Random Chat & Your Questions!00:38:40

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We're delighted to have James back on the show and in good form... This week we're having a random chat about all sorts of stuff, from books and films to 'dream flight' scenarios.Β  We answer listeners' questions, and debate whether the USAAF could've carried out Operation Chastise, and whether more targeted bombing could've ended the war sooner. On the way we discuss everything from Colditz to dogs to John Mills... it's that kind of episode.Β 

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04 Oct 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 19 - Boy Slade: Bomber Command's Youngest Pilot, with Graham Waterton00:47:29

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This week we welcome Graham Waterton, author of 'The RAF's Youngest Bomber Pilot of World War II'. The conversation delves into the life of Flight Lieutenant Brian Slade DFC, Graham's uncle, who served as a Wellington and Lancaster pilot (and Pathfinder) . Brian Slade lied about his age to enlist (abetted by his father) and joined Bomber Command at 16, completing a full tour of 34 operations before his 18th birthday. He then went on to do a second tour, serving with the elite Pathfinder group. He was killed on operations over Berlin in August 1943, aged just 19.

Graham shares his journey of discovering Brian's story, and the discussionΒ  touches on the emotional impact of war on families, and the legacy of those who served.

Link to Graham's book (available on Kindle and in print).Β 

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08 Oct 2024Episode 19 - Boy Slade: Bomber Command's Youngest Pilot, with Graham Waterton00:47:29

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This week we welcome Graham Waterton, author of 'The RAF's Youngest Bomber Pilot of World War II'. The conversation delves into the life of Flight Lieutenant Brian Slade DFC, Graham's uncle, who served as a Wellington and Lancaster pilot (and Pathfinder) . Brian Slade lied about his age to enlist (abetted by his father) and joined Bomber Command at 16, completing a full tour of 34 operations before his 18th birthday. He then went on to do a second tour, serving with the elite Pathfinder group. He was killed on operations over Berlin in August 1943, aged just 19.

Graham shares his journey of discovering Brian's story, and the discussionΒ  touches on the emotional impact of war on families, and the legacy of those who served.

Link to Graham's book (available on Kindle and in print).Β 

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11 Oct 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 20 - Bomber Command in the Battle of Britain Part 100:29:53

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At last! We finally got around to talking about Bomber Command's often overlooked role in the Battle of Britain. In the first of two episodes on this topic, we chat about the run up to the Battle, and highlight the significant contribution of Bomber Command, particularly in attacking Luftwaffe airfields and attacking the Kriegsmarine. The conversation covers early operations, the impact of the Norway campaign, and the heavy losses faced by Bomber Command during the Battle of France. WeΒ  focus on the evolving nature of Bomber Command and its critical role in the broader context of WWII air warfare.Β Β 

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15 Oct 2024Episode 20 - Bomber Command in the Battle of Britain Part 100:29:53

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At last! We finally got around to talking about Bomber Command's often overlooked role in the Battle of Britain. In the first of two episodes on this topic, we chat about the run up to the Battle, and highlight the significant contribution of Bomber Command, particularly in attacking Luftwaffe airfields and attacking the Kriegsmarine. The conversation covers early operations, the impact of the Norway campaign, and the heavy losses faced by Bomber Command during the Battle of France. WeΒ  focus on the evolving nature of Bomber Command and its critical role in the broader context of WWII air warfare.Β  Part 2 follows next week.Β 

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11 Oct 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 21 - Bomber Command in the Battle of Britain Part 200:29:18

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Battle of Britain Part 2

This week Jane and James continue their discussion on the role of Bomber Command during the Battle of Britain. They discuss the 'Battle of the Barges',Β  the heroic actions of Sergeant John Hanna VC, and the daring Dortmund-Ems Canal raid. The conversation also highlights Winston Churchill's recognition of bomber crews in his famous 'The Few' speech, and the subsequent bombing of Berlin.Β 


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22 Oct 2024Episode 21 - Bomber Command in the Battle of Britain Part 200:29:18

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Battle of Britain Part 2

This week Jane and James continue their discussion on the role of Bomber Command during the Battle of Britain. They discuss the 'Battle of the Barges',Β  the heroic actions of Sergeant John Hanna VC, and the daring Dortmund-Ems Canal raid. The conversation also highlights Winston Churchill's recognition of bomber crews in his famous 'The Few' speech, and the subsequent bombing of Berlin.Β 

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26 Oct 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 22 - Bomber Command in Video Games, with Ethan Adato00:49:15

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In this episode of Nevermind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford Lowes and James Jefferies discuss the intersection of video games and military history, particularly focusing on RAF Bomber Command. Joined by Ethan Adato, they explore how video games can serve as educational tools, the ethical implications of portraying historical events, and specific games like Bomber Crew that simulate the experiences of bomber crews during WWII.Β 
The conversation delves into the immersive nature of video games, their potential to engage younger audiences in history, and the moral complexities involved in recreating wartime scenarios. In this conversation, the speakers explore the representation of war in video games, particularly focusing on the impact of bombing on civilian populations, the challenges of accurately portraying historical events, and the ethical implications of gameplay.Β 
They discuss how games can both educate and sanitize war, the responsibility of popular games to address historical realities, and the cultural reflections of war in media. The conversation also touches on the future of war gaming, including the potential of VR experiences and the historical context of war gaming as a whole.


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30 Oct 2024Episode 22 Bomber Command in Video Games, with Ethan Adato00:49:15

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In this episode of Nevermind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford Lowes and James Jefferies discuss the intersection of video games and military history, particularly focusing on RAF Bomber Command. Joined by Ethan Adato, they explore how video games can serve as educational tools, the ethical implications of portraying historical events, and specific games like Bomber Crew that simulate the experiences of bomber crews during WWII.Β 
The conversation delves into the immersive nature of video games, their potential to engage younger audiences in history, and the moral complexities involved in recreating wartime scenarios. In this conversation, the speakers explore the representation of war in video games, particularly focusing on the impact of bombing on civilian populations, the challenges of accurately portraying historical events, and the ethical implications of gameplay.Β 
They discuss how games can both educate and sanitize war, the responsibility of popular games to address historical realities, and the cultural reflections of war in media. The conversation also touches on the future of war gaming, including the potential of VR experiences and the historical context of war gaming as a whole.

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02 Nov 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 23 - Did Bomber Command Succeed?00:56:15

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In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford-Lowes and James Jefferies delve into the complexitiesΒ  and controversies of the Allied strategic bombing campaign during World War II.Β  Did the campaign succeed? How is success measured?Β 
They explore the ongoing debate regarding its effectiveness, the shifting objectives of the campaign, the aims of the Casablanca and Point Blank Directives, and the impact on German war production and civilian morale. Through a detailed analysis of historical surveys and perspectives, the conversation highlights the nuanced nature of military strategy and its consequences. This conversation delves into the complexities of the bombing campaigns during World War II, focusing on their impact on workforce morale, the diversion of resources, and the eventual destruction of the Luftwaffe. The discussion highlights the challenges in measuring the effectiveness of bombing on civilian morale and the war economy, as well as the strategic implications of resource allocation and air superiority.

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06 Nov 2024Episode 23 - Did Bomber Command Succeed?00:56:15

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In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford-Lowes and James Jefferies delve into the complexitiesΒ  and controversies of the Allied strategic bombing campaign during World War II.Β  Did the campaign succeed? How is success measured?Β 
They explore the ongoing debate regarding its effectiveness, the shifting objectives of the campaign, the aims of the Casablanca and Point Blank Directives, and the impact on German war production and civilian morale. Through a detailed analysis of historical surveys and perspectives, the conversation highlights the nuanced nature of military strategy and its consequences. This conversation delves into the complexities of the bombing campaigns during World War II, focusing on their impact on workforce morale, the diversion of resources, and the eventual destruction of the Luftwaffe. The discussion highlights the challenges in measuring the effectiveness of bombing on civilian morale and the war economy, as well as the strategic implications of resource allocation and air superiority.

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09 Nov 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 24 -The African and Caribbean Airmen of Bomber Command, with John Concagh00:42:46

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In this week's episode, hosts James Jefferies and Jane Gulliford Lowes discuss the significant contributions of African and Caribbean men in RAF Bomber Command during World War II. They are joined by historian John Concagh, who shares insights into the motivations behind these men joining the RAF, the challenges they faced, and their experiences during and after the war. The conversation highlights individual stories of notable airmen, their struggles against racism, and their lasting impact on military history. This conversation explores the experiences of Caribbean aircrew in the RAF during WWII, focusing on personal growth, institutional prejudice, and the lasting impact of their service. It highlights the stories of individuals like Johnny Smyth, Ulric Cross, Cy Grant and Errol Barrow, and discusses the broader implications of their contributions to military desegregation and post-war political landscapes.

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John's website and articles : https://jconcagh.weebly.com/
Ulric Cross https://www.rafbf.org/news-and-stories/raf-history/black-history-month-remarkable-legacy-squadron-leader-ulric-cross
There's also a film about Ulric Cross currently showing on BBC iplayer
Cy Grant, his life and work: https://cygrant.com/project/war-memoir
Johnny Smythe https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/blog/from-sierra-leone-to-the-short-stirling-the-story-of-johnny-smythe/
Errol Barrow https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/online-exhibitions/pilots-of-the-caribbean/heroes-and-sheroes/stateman-flying-officer-errol-walton-barrow/


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13 Nov 2024Episode 24 - The African and Caribbean Airmen of Bomber Command, with John Concagh00:42:46

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In this week's episode, hosts James Jefferies and Jane Gulliford Lowes discuss the significant contributions of African and Caribbean men in RAF Bomber Command during World War II. They are joined by historian John Concagh, who shares insights into the motivations behind these men joining the RAF, the challenges they faced, and their experiences during and after the war. The conversation highlights individual stories of notable airmen, and their struggles against racism.
This conversation explores the experiences of Caribbean aircrew in the RAF during WWII, focusing on personal growth, institutional prejudice, and the lasting impact of their service. It highlights the stories of individuals like Johnny Smyth, Ulric Cross, Cy Grant and Errol Barrow, and discusses the broader implications of their contributions to military desegregation and post-war political landscapes.

Further reading:
John's website and articles : https://jconcagh.weebly.com/
Ulric Cross https://www.rafbf.org/news-and-stories/raf-history/black-history-month-remarkable-legacy-squadron-leader-ulric-cross
There's also a film about Ulric Cross currently showing on BBC iplayer
Cy Grant, his life and work: https://cygrant.com/project/war-memoir
Johnny Smythe https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/blog/from-sierra-leone-to-the-short-stirling-the-story-of-johnny-smythe/
Errol Barrow https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/online-exhibitions/pilots-of-the-caribbean/heroes-and-sheroes/stateman-flying-officer-errol-walton-barrow/

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16 Nov 2024πŸ”’ (Premium) Episode 25 - Coastal Command with Andy Bird00:38:28

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In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford-Lowes and James Jefferies engage with historian Andrew Bird to explore the often-overlooked role of Coastal Command in the RAF during World War II. The conversation covers the origins and structure of Coastal Command, its critical role in the Battle of the Atlantic, and the ongoing resource struggles between Bomber Command and Coastal Command. Personal stories and casualty rates highlight the human cost of these operations, providing a poignant reminder of the sacrifices made during the war.


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20 Nov 2024Episode 25 - Coastal Command, with Andy Bird00:38:28

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In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford-Lowes and James Jefferies engage with historian Andrew Bird to explore the often-overlooked role of Coastal Command in the RAF during World War II. The conversation covers the origins and structure of Coastal Command, its critical role in the Battle of the Atlantic, and the ongoing resource struggles between Bomber Command and Coastal Command. Personal stories and casualty rates highlight the human cost of these operations, providing a poignant reminder of the sacrifices made during the war.

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23 Nov 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 26 - A Canadian Bomber Crew in Training / Your Questions Answered00:46:30

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*** Episode on general release Wednesday 27th November

This week, Jane and James explore the training of bomber crews, and the perilous nature of life at the OTUs and HCUs.Β  They discuss the training structure, the tragic story of a training flight that ended in disaster for the Canadian crew, and the importance of memorializing those who lost their lives in training. Jane talks about a new bomber command memorial and tells a story very close to her heart.

The episode also includes viewer questions aboutΒ  WAAFs on board bombers, volunteering for additional ops,Β  post-war careers for aircrew, the Italian Star campaign medal, dual control aircraft and numerous other bits and pieces!

You can read more about the Slingley Bomber Crash here

We'll post some pictures of the new memorial to the crew on our social media. We also have aΒ  new Facebook page/group - here's the link if you want to join.Β 


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27 Nov 2024Episode 26 - A Canadian Bomber Crew in Training/ Your Questions Answered00:46:30

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This week, Jane and James explore the training of bomber crews, and the perilous nature of life at the OTUs and HCUs.Β  They discuss the training structure, the tragic story of a training flight that ended in disaster for the Canadian crew, and the importance of memorializing those who lost their lives in training. Jane talks about a new bomber command memorial and tells a story very close to her heart.

The episode also includes viewer questions aboutΒ  WAAFs on board bombers, volunteering for additional ops,Β  post-war careers for aircrew, the Italian Star campaign medal, dual control aircraft and numerous other bits and pieces!

You can read more about the Slingley Bomber Crash here

We'll post some pictures of the new memorial to the crew on our social media. We also have aΒ  new Facebook page/group - here's the link if you want to join.Β 

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30 Nov 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 27 The Men in the Bomber: Models, Memorials, 158 Sqn & More - with Luke Turner00:54:01

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*** Episode on general release on Wednesday 4 December

In this episode, James Jefferies and Jane Gulliford Lowes engage in a lively discussion with author Luke Turner about the complexities of Bomber Command's history, model-making, the legacy of the Dambusters film, his fascination with 158 Squadron, and the personal stories of individuals like Bertram Warr. They explore themes of masculinity, memory, and the importance of memorials, while also addressing the overshadowing of lesser-known squadrons and operations. The conversation highlights the need for a nuanced understanding of war narratives and the human experiences behind them.

LukeΒ  Turner is a writer and editor, the author of Out of the Woods, and the fabulous Men at War


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04 Dec 2024Episode 27 The Men in the Bomber: Models, Memorials, 158 Sqn & More - with Luke Turner00:54:01

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In this episode, James Jefferies and Jane Gulliford Lowes engage in a lively discussion with author Luke Turner about the complexities of Bomber Command's history, model-making, the legacy of the Dambusters film, his fascination with 158 Squadron, and the personal stories of individuals like Bertram Warr. They explore themes of masculinity, memory, and the importance of memorials, while also addressing the overshadowing of lesser-known squadrons and operations. The conversation highlights the need for a nuanced understanding of war narratives and the human experiences behind them.

LukeΒ  Turner is a writer and editor, the author of Out of the Woods, and the fabulous Men at War

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07 Dec 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 28 - The Auschwitz Debate, with Dr Waitman Beorn00:44:00

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WARNING: This episode includes discussion ofΒ  issues surrounding the Holocaust and genocide which some listeners may find distressing.

In this episode, the hosts engage in a profound discussion with Dr. Waitman Beorn about the controversial topic of whether the Allies could and should have bombed Auschwitz during World War II. They explore the historical context, the knowledge the Allies had about the Holocaust, the technological capabilities of air power at the time, and the moral implications of such a decision. The conversation delves into the complexities of wartime decision-making and the tragic consequences of inaction, ultimately questioning the Allies' response to the Holocaust.


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Marching into Darkness: The Wehrmacht in Belarus

Also discussed in this episode: Michael Neufeld (Editor): The Bombing of Auschwitz.

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11 Dec 2024Episode 28 - The Auschwitz Debate, with Dr Waitman Beorn00:44:00

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WARNING: This episode includes discussion ofΒ  issues surrounding the Holocaust and genocide which some listeners may find distressing.

In this episode, the hosts engage in a profound discussion with Dr. Waitman Beorn about the controversial topic of whether the Allies could and should have bombed Auschwitz during World War II. They explore the historical context, the knowledge the Allies had about the Holocaust, the technological capabilities of air power at the time, and the moral implications of such a decision. The conversation delves into the complexities of wartime decision-making and the tragic consequences of inaction, ultimately questioning the Allies' response to the Holocaust.


You can read more about Waitman's work here
Marching into Darkness: The Wehrmacht in Belarus

Also discussed in this episode: Michael Neufeld (Editor): The Bombing of Auschwitz.

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14 Dec 2024πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 29 Christmas on a Bomber Station:1943 - with Dr Dan Ellin00:36:35

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*** Episode on general release Wednesday 18 December 2024

In this final episode of the series, James Jefferies and Jane Gulliford Lowes are joined by Dr Dan Ellin to reflect on the significance of Christmas during the Second World War, particularly for RAF Bomber Command crews during the winter of 1943.

They discuss personal stories, listener contributions, and the harsh realities faced by airmen and ground staff during the festive season. The episode highlights the contrast between the holiday spirit and the grim realities of war, while also sharing humorous anecdotes and family memories.

Special thanks to Bill Dawson, Heather Evans and Stuart Bertie for sharing their family stories.Β 



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18 Dec 2024Episode 29 Christmas on a Bomber Station 1943 - with Dr Dan Ellin00:36:35

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In this final episode of the series, James Jefferies and Jane Gulliford Lowes are joined by Dr Dan Ellin to reflect on the significance of Christmas during the Second World War, particularly for RAF Bomber Command crews during the winter of 1943.

They discuss personal stories, listener contributions, and the harsh realities faced by airmen and ground staff during the festive season. The episode highlights the contrast between the holiday spirit and the grim realities of war, while also sharing humorous anecdotes and family memories.

Special thanks to Bill Dawson, Heather Evans and Stuart Bertie for sharing their family stories.Β 

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11 Jan 2025πŸ”’ (SUBSCRIBERS) Ep. 30 - Building The Bombers, with Andy Rawson00:42:01

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** On general release Wednesday 15 January 2025

Welcome back - Series 2 is here!Β 

In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford Lowes and James Jefferies welcome historian Andrew Rawson to discuss the design and manufacture of bomber aircraft during World War II. The conversation covers the evolution of the aircraft industry from pre-war rearmament to the establishment of shadow factories, the role of women in the workforce, and the challenges of resource allocation and production management. The episode highlights the significant numbers of aircraft produced and the vast workforce required to support the war effort, emphasizing the often-overlooked industrial side of military history.



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15 Jan 2025Episode 30 - Building The Bombers, with Andrew Rawson00:42:01

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Welcome back - Series 2 is here!

In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, hosts Jane Gulliford Lowes and James Jefferies welcome historian Andrew Rawson to discuss the design and manufacture of bomber aircraft during World War II. The conversation covers the evolution of the aircraft industry from pre-war rearmament to the establishment of shadow factories, the role of women in the workforce, and the challenges of resource allocation and production management. The episode highlights the significant numbers of aircraft produced and the vast workforce required to support the war effort, emphasizing the often-overlooked industrial side of military history.


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18 Jan 2025πŸ”’ (SUBSCRIBER) Ep. 31 - A Coastal Command Base in WW2: RAF Bircham Newton, with Jamie Heffer00:55:40

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*** Episode generally available on Wednesday 22 January

This episode has it all... Bombers in WW1,Β  Coastal Command in WW2, Air-Sea rescue, anti-shipping operations, Balfour, Portal, Blenheims, Hudsons, Ansons, Kestrels, lifeboats and even flying naked over Norfolk in a bi-plane...

Tune in for a fantastic discussion with Jamie Heffer, Chairman of the RAF Bircham Newton Heritage Centre.

We delve into the history of RAF Bircham Newton, focusing on its significant role in Coastal Command during World War II. The conversation explores its origins in the First World War,Β  the inter-war years, its evolution into a Coastal Command base, and the human stories of those who served there, including the challenges and the horrendous losses of aircrew. The episode also highlights the air-sea rescue operations conducted from Bircham Newton and concludes with a discussion on the post-war period and the establishment of the RAF Bircham Newton Heritage Centre.

You can read more about RAF Bircham NewtonΒ  (including open days ) on the Heritage Centre Facebook page here https://www.facebook.com/groups/455568478629653/


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22 Jan 2025Episode 31 A Coastal Command Base in WW2: RAF Bircham Newton, with Jamie Heffer00:55:40

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This episode has it all... Bombers in WW1,Β  Coastal Command in WW2, Air-Sea rescue, anti-shipping operations, Balfour, Portal, Blenheims, Hudsons, Ansons, Kestrels, lifeboats and even flying naked over Norfolk in a bi-plane...

Tune in for a fantastic discussion with Jamie Heffer, Chairman of the RAF Bircham Newton Heritage Centre.

We delve into the history of RAF Bircham Newton, focusing on its significant role in Coastal Command during World War II. The conversation explores its origins in the First World War,Β  the inter-war years, its evolution into a Coastal Command base, and the human stories of those who served there, including the challenges and the horrendous losses of aircrew. The episode also highlights the air-sea rescue operations conducted from Bircham Newton and concludes with a discussion on the post-war period and the establishment of the RAF Bircham Newton Heritage Centre.

You can read more about RAF Bircham NewtonΒ  (including open days ) on the Heritage Centre Facebook page here https://www.facebook.com/groups/455568478629653/

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25 Jan 2025πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Ep. 32 - Bomber Command VCs (Pt 1) - Gray and Garland00:34:24

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** Episode on general release Wednesday 29 January 2025


In a change to our usual format, this episode focuses on the Victoria Cross winners from RAF Bomber Command, specifically Sergeant Thomas Gray and Flying Officer Donald Garland.Β  Over the course of the current series, we'll be telling the stories of other men who received the British Military's highest award for gallantry "in the presence of the enemy".Β Β 

We begin by discussing the history and significance of the Victoria Cross, the profiles of the two airmen, and the context of their bravery during the early days of World War II. The conversation delves into the operations of the Advanced Air Striking Force, the challenges faced during the Phoney War, and the tragic outcomes of a specific mission to destroy bridges in Belgium in May 1940. The episode concludes with reflections on the legacy of the Fairy Battle aircraft and the sacrifices made by the aircrew, emphasizing the importance of remembering their valour and the impact of their actions during the war.


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29 Jan 2025Episode 32 - Bomber Command VCs (pt 1) - Gray and Garland00:34:24

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In a change to our usual format, this episode focuses on the Victoria Cross winners from RAF Bomber Command, specifically Sergeant Thomas Gray and Flying Officer Donald Garland.Β  Over the course of the current series, we'll be telling the stories of the men who received the British Military's highest award for gallantry "in the presence of the enemy". Β 

We begin by discussing the history and significance of the Victoria Cross, the profiles of the two airmen, and the context of their bravery during the early days of World War II. The conversation delves into the operations of the Advanced Air Striking Force, the challenges faced during the Phoney War, and the tragic outcomes of a specific mission to destroy bridges in Belgium in May 1940. The episode concludes with reflections on the legacy of the Fairy Battle aircraft and the sacrifices made by the aircrew, emphasizing the importance of remembering their valour and the impact of their actions during the war.

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26 Jan 2025πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 33 Bomber Command: The Chaplain's Story00:53:35

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** Episode on general release Wednesday 5 February 2025.
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In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, we welcome Eleanor Rance, the first female Church of England Chaplain in the Royal Air Force. Eleanor shares her personal experiencesΒ  from her time on deployment with the RAF in Iraq, and insights into the crucial role chaplains played during the Second World War, especially in offering emotional and spiritual support to airmen. We discuss the historical context of RAF chaplaincy, the challenges faced by chaplains like George Martin, and the lasting effects of war on both service members and the chaplains themselves. It's fair to say we were emotional wrecks after this one! Many thanks to Eleanor for a wonderful and very moving discussion.Β 

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05 Feb 2025Episode 33 Bomber Command: The Chaplain's Story00:53:35

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In this episode of Never Mind the Dambusters, we welcome Reverend Eleanor Rance, the first female Church of England Chaplain in the Royal Air Force. Eleanor shares her personal experiencesΒ  from her time on deployment with the RAF in Iraq, and insights into the crucial role chaplains played during the Second World War, especially in offering emotional and spiritual support to airmen. We discuss the historical context of RAF chaplaincy, the challenges faced by chaplains like Rev. George Martin of 7 PFF Sqn, and the lasting effects of war on both service members and the chaplains themselves.Β 

It's fair to say we were emotional wrecks after this one! Many thanks to Eleanor for a wonderful and very moving discussion.Β 

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You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

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28 Jan 2025πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 34 Writing the Bomber War - The Official Histories Controversy, with Professor Alan Allport00:44:39

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*** Episode on general release Wednesday 12 February 2025

Who writes history, and why?
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In this episode, we are delighted to welcome back Professor Alan Allport to discuss the British "Official Histories" of the strategic bombing campaign. We explore the origins, authors, and public perception of these histories, as well as the arguments presented by Sir Charles Webster and Noble Frankland. Our conversation delves into the challenges faced during the publication process, the reactions from military figures, including a right old ding-dong with with Sir Arthur Harris, and the "dirty tricks campaign" waged by elements of the British press against Frankland.
Alan explains how the histories, and the reaction to them, influenced modern interpretations of the bombing campaign.
This is a must-listen for anyone studying or interested in the historiography of Bomber Command.
(Apologies for any spaniel barking in the background we didn't manage to edit out!)

Frankland's book about writing the official history is a thought-provoking read, and highly-recommended. It's called History at War, and you can get it here:

You can follow Alan on blueskyΒ  atΒ  https://bsky.app/profile/alanallport.bsky.socialΒ  Β  and read about his work here. Look out for the follow up to the wonderful Britain at Bay , Advance Britannia, later this year.Β 

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You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

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12 Feb 2025Episode 34 Writing the Bomber War - The Official Histories Controversy, with Professor Alan Allport00:44:39

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Who writes history, and why?
Β 
In this episode, we are delighted to welcome back Professor Alan Allport to discuss the British "Official Histories" of the strategic bombing campaign. We explore the origins, authors, and public perception of these histories, as well as the arguments presented by Sir Charles Webster and Noble Frankland. Our conversation delves into the challenges faced during the publication process, the reactions from military figures, including a right old ding-dong with with Sir Arthur Harris, and the "dirty tricks campaign" waged by elements of the British press against Frankland.
Alan explains how the histories, and the reaction to them, influenced modern interpretations of the bombing campaign.
This is a must-listen for anyone studying or interested in the historiography of Bomber Command.
(Apologies for any spaniel barking in the background we didn't manage to edit out!)

Frankland's book about writing the official history is a thought-provoking read, and highly-recommended. It's called History at War, and you can get it here:

You can follow Alan on blueskyΒ  atΒ  https://bsky.app/profile/alanallport.bsky.socialΒ  Β  and read about his work here. Look out for the follow up to the wonderful Britain at Bay , Advance Britannia, later this year.Β 

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Thank you for listening! You can reach out to us on social media at @RAF_BomberPod (X) or @NeverMindTheDambusters (Instagram)

You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

You can read more about Jane's work on her website at https://www.justcuriousjane.com/, and listen to podcasts/media stuff here


08 Feb 2025πŸ”’ (PREMIUM) Episode 35 Restoring a Lancaster: the N611 "Just Jane" Story, with Andrew Panton00:55:31

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*** Episode on general release Wednesday 19th February 2025

This episode is dedicated to the memory of Christopher Panton, KIA 30th March 1944.Β 

WeΒ  are delighted to welcome Andrew Panton, General Manager of the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre. Together, we explore Andrew's deep-rooted family history with the Lancaster Bomber NX611 "Just Jane", the emotional impact of war on his family, and the ongoing restoration efforts at the Heritage Centre.Β 

Andrew shares personal stories about his great uncle Chris, who was lost during a bombing raid on Nuremberg in March 1944, and how this tragedy shaped his family's dedication to preserving aviation history.

Need a spare part for a Blenheim or a propeller for a Swordfish? Andrew is your man! We debate the vital role of volunteers in maintaining the Heritage Centre and the profound emotional connections visitors have with the aircraft.

Finally, Andrew shares with us a very personal and emotional piece of family history. This was probably the first time we've had to pause recording, as all three of us were in tears. Hankies at the ready everyone.Β  Look out on our social medial for a photo of Chris, as well as his younger brothers,Β  Fred and Howard, Andrew's grandad and uncle.Β 

Special thanks to Andrew for sharing his family's legacy with us and our listeners.Β 

You can read more about the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre here, including how to book taxi rides on the Avro Lancaster and the De Havilland Mosquito. Please do visit!Β 

Please subscribe to Never Mind The Dambusters wherever you get your podcasts. You can support the show, and help us produce great content, by becoming a paid subscriber from just $3 a month here https://www.buzzsprout.com/2327200/support . Supporters get early access to episodes and invitations to livestreams.

Thank you for listening! You can reach out to us on social media at @RAF_BomberPod (X) or @NeverMindTheDambusters (Instagram)

You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

You can read more about Jane's work on her website at https://www.justcuriousjane.com/, and listen to podcasts/media stuff here


19 Feb 2025Episode 35 Restoring a Lancaster: The NX611 "Just Jane" Story, with Andrew Panton00:55:31

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This episode is dedicated to the memory of Christopher Panton, KIA 30th March 1944.Β 

WeΒ  are delighted to welcome Andrew Panton, General Manager of the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre. Together, we explore Andrew's deep-rooted family history with the Lancaster Bomber NX611 "Just Jane", the emotional impact of war on his family, and the ongoing restoration efforts at the Heritage Centre.Β 

Andrew shares personal stories about his great uncle Chris, who was lost during a bombing raid on Nuremberg in March 1944, and how this tragedy shaped his family's dedication to preserving aviation history.

Need a spare part for a Blenheim or a propeller for a Swordfish? Andrew is your man! We debate the vital role of volunteers in maintaining the Heritage Centre and the profound emotional connections visitors have with the aircraft.

Finally, Andrew shares with us a very personal and emotional piece of family history. This was probably the first time we've had to pause recording, as all three of us were in tears. Hankies at the ready everyone.Β  Look out on our social medial for a photo of Chris, as well as his younger brothers,Β  Fred and Howard, Andrew's grandad and uncle.Β 

Special thanks to Andrew for sharing his family's legacy with us and our listeners. It was a privilege.Β 

You can read more about the Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre here, including how to book taxi rides on the Avro Lancaster and the De Havilland Mosquito. Please do visit!Β 

Support the show

Please subscribe to Never Mind The Dambusters wherever you get your podcasts. You can support the show, and help us produce great content, by becoming a paid subscriber from just $3 a month here https://www.buzzsprout.com/2327200/support . Supporters get early access to episodes and invitations to livestreams.

Thank you for listening! You can reach out to us on social media at @RAF_BomberPod (X) or @NeverMindTheDambusters (Instagram)

You can find out about James' research, articles, lectures and podcasts here .

You can read more about Jane's work on her website at https://www.justcuriousjane.com/, and listen to podcasts/media stuff here


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