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14 Feb 2022How To Reframe A Porn Relapse00:15:26

What's the best way to respond to a relapse into porn, either for yourself or for a friend? In this episode, you'll learn the power of viewing relapse as feedback (not failure), the benefits of a growth mindset (not a fixed mindset), and the 3 types of feedback you must receive.

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21 Feb 2022Rags To Riches To Ruin To Redemption (with Dr. Joe Martin)01:05:48

"You can't possibly hate yourself more than I love you. You can try, but it ain't gonna happen. You can try, but I have until eternity. You don't. How long do you wanna keep playing this game of the pity party and this shame when I got so much more planned for you?" —Dr. Joe Martin

In this episode, Dr. Joe Martin shares his incredible story of God bringing redemption out of poverty, abuse, addiction, and divorce. He also reveals the 5 components of a kingdom man, and how to address voices of accusation with your God-given authority.

Dr. Joe Martin is an award-winning speaker, author, educator, and certified builder of men. He’s the author of nine books, including: “Man Accomplished: 50 Challenges to Help You Be the Man God Made You to Be,” “Are You the Man: 201 Lessons I Wish My Dad Would’ve Taught Me,” and “The Real Man Spiritual Leader Blueprint: 21 Practical Ways to Love and Lead Your Family."

Joe is also the host of Real Men Connect, the top-rated podcast for Christian men that focuses on mentoring, training, and discipling men on how to be amazing husbands, awesome fathers, and extraordinary leaders. Learn more at realmenconnect.com

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28 Feb 2022The Power Of Identity (with Sathiya Sam)00:44:42

Who are you? What defines you? Performance? Porn addiction? Sexual attraction? In this episode, Sathiya Sam reveals the power of having a secure identity, how to strengthen your sense of self, and why he recommends self-care using the 5 love languages.

Sathiya Sam is a coach and speaker who helps men live with confidence and integrity. A recovered addict himself, Sathiya is the creator of DeepClean™️ – a research-based and Bible-backed system for overcoming porn. This work has helped everyone from college students to medical doctors regain control of their lives and walk in greater levels of freedom. Based out of Toronto, Canada, Sathiya is happily married and a die-hard basketball fan.

Listen to Sathiya's podcast: Unleash The Man Within

Buy Sathiya Sam's new book (this is a paid link):
The Last Relapse: Realize Your Potential, Reclaim Intimacy, And Resolve The Root Issues Of Porn Addiction
 
This week, Sathiya is giving away a few copies of The Last Relapse inside the Husband Material Community. Join the community at husbandmaterial.co

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07 Mar 2022Vulnerability 101 (LIVE)00:47:15

What is true vulnerability? Why is it so important? When is it safe? And how can I get better at it? In this episode, I answer all these questions and more...

If you want to become more vulnerable with men committed to curiosity and compassion, apply to join an upcoming Husband Material group at husbandmaterial.com/group

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14 Mar 2022Toxic Shame vs. Healthy Shame (with Dr. Jake Porter)00:41:24

Is there such a thing as healthy shame? How can we heal from toxic shame? In this episode, Dr. Jake Porter shares eye-opening answers to these questions from science and scripture.

Dr. Jake Porter is the founder of Daring Ventures and host of the upcoming Choose Connection Online Summit for couples in recovery from addiction and betrayal on March 25-27, 2022. Husband Material is partnering with Daring Ventures to promote this awesome event using affiliate links.

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21 Mar 2022How Does God View My Body? (with Matt Cline)00:39:13

What does God think about my face, my gut, and my penis? In this episode, Matt Cline unpacks what the Bible says about our bodies—why they have value, and how we can reclaim the parts we don't like.

Matt Cline is the director of Restored Ministries, focused on helping 1,000,000 people live porn-free and powerfully by 2030. He is also co-host of the Pure Victory Podcast. Matt lives in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada with his wife and two young sons.

Restored Ministries Resources:
Pure Freedom Journey - restoredministries.ca/purefreedom
Cleansing Hour - restoredministries.ca/cleansinghour
Other support options - restoredministries.ca/gethelp
Wives & girlfriends - restoredministries.ca/partners
Instagram - instagram.com/restored_community 

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28 Mar 2022Why Didn’t I Like Vaginas?00:19:27

If you’re not attracted to typical porn, have you ever wondered why? In this episode, I explore the roots of my negative association with female sexual parts due to purity culture, parents, peers, princesses, and porn.

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04 Apr 2022Healing Racial Trauma (with Sheila Wise Rowe)00:40:24

What is racial trauma? How does it affect us all, and what does healing look like? In this episode, Sheila Wise Rowe shares insights and stories about how racial trauma can be healed.

Sheila Wise Rowe is a truth-teller who writes passionately about matters of faith and emotional healing. She advocates for the dignity, rights, and healing of abuse survivors, those carrying racial trauma, and racial (re)conciliation. Sheila is the author of the award-winning book Healing Racial Trauma: The Road to Resilience, and her newest book, Young, Gifted, and Black: A Journey of Lament and Celebration. Learn more at sheilawiserowe.com

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11 Apr 2022The Blessing Of Being Reported (with Rich Moore)00:31:29

What if being reported for criminal sexual activity can be a blessing? In this episode, Rich Moore explains how being reported saved his life and propelled him into healing. Rich also reveals how to know if you should report yourself or someone else to local authorities.

Rich Moore is the Associate Director of Men's Groups for Pure Desire Ministries, and a certified Pastoral Sex Addiction Professional (PSAP). Rich has been involved with Pure Desire for over 20 years and serves a foundational role in helping churches start a Pure Desire group ministry. Rich is also the author of The Silent Battle: One Man's Fight for Freedom.

Contact Rich Moore at rich@puredesire.org

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18 Apr 2022How To Heal Your Inner Child: Older Brother Coaching01:04:32

What if you could become a loving older brother to your inner child? In this episode, you'll discover how to do this through Older Brother Coaching. 

Older Brother Coaching is my unique approach to healing the inner child, which has led to hundreds of breakthroughs for Christian men outgrowing porn. In this episode, you'll learn the three steps of Older Brother Coaching. Then at the end, I'll lead you through a guided meditation to experience it for yourself.

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This episode is a preview of Husband Material Academy (HMA), the all-in-one solution for Christian men outgrowing porn. If you loved this episode, you will love HMA...

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25 Apr 2022The Gospel And Trauma (with Matt Wenger)01:06:20

How does the gospel interact with trauma? In this episode, Matt Wenger explains a Christ-centered and clinically innovative approach to healing trauma and outgrowing pornography.

Matt Wenger is the clinical director of Boulder Recovery, a 14-day intensive for men struggling with sex, porn, and relationship issues and their impact on faith. The program uses the TINSA treatment model (Trauma-Induced Sexual Addiction) to heal the traumatic experiences and attachment wounds driving addictive behaviors and problematic thinking around sex and intimacy.

The next Boulder Recovery intensive is June 18th-July 2nd, 2022. Seats are limited. If you're interested, contact Boulder Recovery here.

Learn more about trauma-induced sexual addiction here (this is a paid link): TINSA: A Neurological Approach to the Treatment of Sex Addiction, by Dr. Michael Barta.

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02 May 2022Porn And Centering Prayer (with Matthew Lyda)00:35:24

What is centering prayer? How can it help us when we're triggered or preoccupied? In this episode, Matthew Lyda explains the 4 Rs of centering prayer: 

  1. Resist no thought 
  2. Retain no thought 
  3. React to no thought 
  4. Return to God

Matthew Lyda is a Pastoral Sex Addiction Professional and a poet. He is the author of Recover The Wild: Unfiltered Poems And Prayers (paid link). Matthew is also trained as a mental health & life purpose coach. Take Matthew's free 5-day course on centering prayer here.

Please join us for "An Evening of Centering Prayer" inside the Husband Material Community on Wednesday May 11, 2022 at 4:00 PM Pacific Time.

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09 May 2022Should I Count The Days Since I Last Used Porn?00:21:23

Let me help you decide if “counting the days” is right for you. In this episode, you'll learn 2 bad reasons to count, 3 good reasons to count, and what works for me...

2 bad reasons: Legalism & License 

3 good reasons: Celebration, Compassion, & Curiosity 

What works for me? Listen to this episode to find out 😉 

If you loved this episode, you will probably love my book, Redeemed Sexuality. Buy it here (this is a paid link): Redeemed Sexuality: 12 Sessions For Healing And Transformation In Community.

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16 May 2022Sexual Arousal vs. Sexual Desire (with Dr. Doug Carpenter)00:15:43

What is the difference between sexual arousal and sexual desire, and why does it matter? In this episode, Dr. Doug Carpenter powerfully explains this concept and why it is absolutely essential for outgrowing porn.

This episode is taken from our new course on Healing From Sexual Abuse

Learn more at husbandmaterial.com/healing-from-sexual-abuse 

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23 May 2022Becoming Emotionally Mature (with Dr. Eddie Capparucci)00:39:17

What is emotional maturity? How can we increase our emotional intelligence? In this episode, Dr. Eddie Capparucci explains the three components of emotional maturity, why men struggle to love, and what we can do about it.

Dr. Eddie Capparucci is an author and therapist who specializes in the treatment of sex and porn addiction. He's the creator of the Inner Child Recovery Process (ICRP) and the author of a new book: Why Men Struggle To Love: Overcoming Relational Blind Spots.

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30 May 2022Long Distance Friendship (with Drew, Stephen, Marcus, and Mike)00:45:25

Do you ever wish your friends lived closer? In today's world, long distance friendship is more possible and pervasive than ever. What are the blessings and drawbacks of this? In this episode, Husband Material coaches talk about how to maximize authentic connection, both long distance and locally.

Join us for a weekend of beauty and brotherhood at the Husband Material Retreat in Santa Barbara (September 9-13, 2022). Sign up for the "Early Bird Discount" before July 9th to receive $150 off at husbandmaterial.com/retreat.

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06 Jun 2022Why Porn Is A Solution (with Matt Dobschuetz)00:37:09

You'll never outgrow porn if you believe it's the problem. In this episode, Matt Dobschuetz explains why porn is a solution, and the surprising reason why one particular type of porn has appealed to him. This man overflows with kindness and hope!

Matt Dobschuetz is the host of Porn Free Radio, the top-rated podcast for motivated guys who want to quit looking at porn. Matt is a diehard Chicago Bears fan, a coffee enthusiast, and a lover of old-school hip hop. To learn more, visit Matt at recoveredman.com.

Buy Matt's new book here (this is a paid link):
Porn Free: Becoming The Type Of Man Who Does Not Look At Porn

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13 Jun 2022Get Your Man Cards (with Henry Brown)00:46:55

Men are lonely. How can we develop deeper friendships?  Introducing Man Cards: a card deck of conversation starters for men designed by Drew Boa and Henry Brown. In this episode, Drew and Henry introduce Man Cards and show you how to use them.

Get your Man Cards at getyourmancards.com

Man Cards make it easier for men to go deep. Inside are 52 questions of varying levels of vulnerability to help you and the men around you be fully known. Cards are ranked, so men can choose how deep they want to go. Man Cards are perfect for small groups, road trips, or everyday conversations. Use them to improve your communication skills, get to know other men, and have fun while doing it! Stop hiding from others. Reveal the real you. Get your Man Cards!

Get your Man Cards at getyourmancards.com

Henry Brown is a ministry leader, AFOL (Adult Fan Of Lego), and moderator for the Husband Material Community.

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20 Jun 2022The Five Types Of Intimacy00:17:42

What is intimacy? How can I find it? Most intimacy is not sexual. Most intimacy is spiritual, social, emotional, mental, and physical. Learn why each type of intimacy matters, and how to experience each one without sex or porn.

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27 Jun 2022Redeeming Heartache (with Cathy Loerzel)00:46:09

Heartache has a pattern, and so does healing. Author and therapist Cathy Loerzel explains the 3 types of heartache, and a powerful path to healing for each one. Learn how your past has uniquely prepared you to experience more joy.

Cathy Loerzel founded the Allender Center with Dr. Dan Allender in 2010.
Together with Dan, she is the co-author of Redeeming Heartache: How Past Suffering Reveals True Calling (this is a paid link).

Connect with Cathy at cathyloerzel.com.

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04 Jul 2022Neglect: Hidden Trauma (with Stephen Thomas)00:50:49

How do I know if I was neglected? And what can I do about it? Stephen Thomas unpacks 6 types of neglect, why neglect fuels shame and addiction, and what we can do as we recognize ways we have been neglected.

Stephen Thomas is a husband and father who has enjoyed freedom from porn and hookup culture for over 13 years. He is a Certified Husband Material Coach who provides coaching for individuals, couples, and groups. Stephen is passionate about seeing men who feel hopelessly buried by addictions come alive and realize the strength God has placed in them.

Contact Stephen Thomas:
Website: stephenthomasconsulting.com
Email: Stephen@stephenthomasconsulting.com
Phone: (847) 863-3106

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11 Jul 2022Outgrowing Porn From A To Z (Part 1)00:25:54

In this episode, you'll learn 13 key concepts for outgrowing porn based on the first 13 letters of the alphabet. Check out the list below for further information about each key concept (including paid links):

A is for Alexithymia
B is for Breathing
C is for Co-regulation
D is for Dopamine
E is for Eroticized
F is for Fathering
G is for Group
H is for Holistic
I is for IFS
J is for Journey
K is for Knowledge
L is for Lust & Love
M is for Mindfulness

Next week, I'll cover the second half of the alphabet!

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18 Jul 2022Outgrowing Porn From A To Z (Part 2)00:26:34

N is for Ninety Days
O is for Outgrow
P is for Plasticity
Q is for Questions
R is for Redemptive Risk
S is for Supernormal Stimuli
T is for Trauma & Traumasexuality
U is for Unwanted & Unwanted Workbook
V is for Vagus Nerve & Polyvagal Theory
W is for Worship (special playlist)
X is for Ex- (example breakup letter)
Y is for Yes!
Z is for Zero

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25 Jul 2022Internal Family Systems And Jesus (with Kim Miller)00:48:06

Are you frustrated by internal conflict? Tired of being overwhelmed by thoughts and feelings? Kim Miller explains a Christ-centered approach to internal family systems (IFS). You'll learn the 5 steps of "taking a you-turn" so every part of you can encounter Jesus and be led by your Spirit-led self.

Kim Miller (MTh, LMFT) is a speaker, retreat leader, and co-author of Boundaries For Your Soul. She’s certified in Internal Family Systems Therapy and Imago Relationship Therapy.

Buy Kim's book (this is a paid link):
Boundaries For Your Soul: How To Turn Your Overwhelming Thoughts And Feelings Into Your Greatest Allies

Download the free worksheet: Taking A You-Turn (5 Steps)

Learn more about Kim at kimberlyjunemiller.com

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01 Aug 2022How To Teach Children About Sexuality (with Adam + Karissa King)00:49:19

What should sex education look like in today's world? Adam and Karissa King explain why parents must teach children about sexuality from a young age—and how to make these conversations easy, effective, and even fun.

Adam + Karissa King are a licensed coach/therapist team and the founders of Dear Young Married Couple. They understand the pressure Christian parents feel to give their kids a godly understanding of sexuality. That's why they partnered with Korena Hendryx (a biology teacher and sex education expert) to create Having the TalkS: A Guided Conversation Game On Sexuality For Parents And Children.

More resources by Adam + Karissa:
Having The TalkS (because one just isn't enough)
The TalkS Resource Guide (recommended books)
Dear Young Married Couple Website
Dear Young Married Couple Podcast
Dear Young Married Couple Instagram

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08 Aug 2022How To Track Your Heart (with Josh Glaser)00:35:07

How do you discover the deeper roots underneath surface-level sexual symptoms? Josh Glaser guides us in "tracking the heart," revealing where unwanted thoughts, feelings, and behaviors come from.

Josh Glaser is the Executive Director of Regeneration, a Christ-centered ministry equipping men and women to live God’s good, holy, and beautiful design for relationships and sexuality. He is the creator of Awaken, an online community and 48-week discipleship series for men pursuing sexual integrity.

Listen to Josh's podcast:
The Becoming Whole Podcast

Buy Josh's book (this is a paid link):
Treading Boldly through a Pornographic World: A Field Guide for Parents

Connect with Josh and his team of coaches:
regenerationministries.org/mens-coaching

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15 Aug 2022What Does The Bible Say About Purity? (LIVE)00:33:18

The word "purity" must be defined without the damaging messages of purity culture. In this episode, I'll explain 3 types of purity in the Bible. I'll also share a vulnerable story about my own lack of purity. Then at the end, I'll answer questions and clarify the true meaning of purity.

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22 Aug 2022Bent On Men, Part 1 (with Harrison Bly)00:40:20

What does it look like to untangle unwanted same-sex attraction toward men? Harrison Bly grew up "too gay to be Christian, too Christian to be gay." In this episode, Harrison shares vulnerable stories from boyhood that shed light on why and how he sexualized masculinity.

Harrison Bly writes with a firm and unusual resolve about male sexuality. He uses story as a way to make sense of taboo subjects that are often over-simplified and misunderstood. Secretly gay in a conservative Christian world, Harrison compromised authenticity only to find shallow acceptance. On the crooked path to manhood, Harrison fumbled in the dark between ideologies on faith and homosexuality that failed to acknowledge his deepest wounds and longings. But through unplanned and unlikely relationships, Harrison discovered the transforming power of male love that reframed his obsessions, cravings, and curiosities, challenging everything he had come to accept about his masculinity and sexuality.

Buy Harrison's book here (this is a paid link):
Bent On Men: A Memoir On Taboo Feelings, Fraternal Curiosity, And Faith

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29 Aug 2022Bent On Men, Part 2 (with Harrison Bly)00:29:08

What does redemption look like for men who experience unwanted same-sex attraction? Harrison Bly grew up "too gay to be Christian, too Christian to be gay." In this episode, Harrison shares his story of freedom through vulnerability, sonship, brotherhood, and redefining masculinity.

Harrison Bly writes with a firm and unusual resolve about male sexuality. He uses story as a way to make sense of taboo subjects that are often over-simplified and misunderstood. Secretly gay in a conservative Christian world, Harrison compromised authenticity only to find shallow acceptance. On the crooked path to manhood, Harrison fumbled in the dark between ideologies on faith and homosexuality that failed to acknowledge his deepest wounds and longings. But through unplanned and unlikely relationships, Harrison discovered the transforming power of male love that reframed his obsessions, cravings, and curiosities, challenging everything he had come to accept about his masculinity and sexuality.

Buy Harrison's book here (this is a paid link):
Bent On Men: A Memoir On Taboo Feelings, Fraternal Curiosity, And Faith

Learn more at bentonmen.com

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06 Sep 2022Attunement: The Key To Connection00:29:54

Attunement is the ability to be aware of and respond to another person's needs—and our own needs, too.  In this episode, you'll learn the building blocks of good attunement, why over-attunement is unhelpful and exhausting, and how to practically sharpen your attunement skills and improve your relationships. 

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12 Sep 2022Healing From Sexual Betrayal (with Dr. Sheri Keffer)00:53:27

What is intimate deception betrayal trauma? Why is it so hard for partners of porn users to get help? When it comes to healing, what (doesn't) work? Dr. Sheri Keffer explains how porn impacts partners—and more importantly, what we can do about it. She even guides you on how to share this episode with your wife or girlfriend without triggering her. If you're married, your wife will love hearing from Dr. Sheri!

Dr. Sheri Keffer is the author of Intimate Deception (paid link) and a regular cohost of New Life Live! with an audience of more than two million people each week. For over twenty years, she’s worked as a Doctor of Marriage and Family therapy in Newport Beach, California. Through her own personal story of recovery, Dr. Sheri understands the trauma symptoms often associated with sexual betrayal. As a Certified Partner Trauma Therapist Supervisor (CPTT-S), Certified Clinical Partner Specialist (CCPS), Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (CSAT) and a Consultant in EMDR, she brings new tools and a fresh look at what’s needed not only to heal but heal well. Dr. Sheri also holds a degree in theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. You can follow her on social media on Instagram or Facebook @drsherikeffer.

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Intimate Deception: Healing The Wounds Of Sexual Betrayal

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19 Sep 2022Wisdom After Sexual Betrayal (with Marnie Ferree)00:31:21

Marnie Ferree understands sex addiction from both sides: from personal experience, and from being a partner. In this episode, Marnie shares her story of grief and growth after discovering her own sexual betrayal trauma.

Marnie Ferree is a licensed marriage and family therapist in Nashville, Tennessee, where she directs Bethesda Workshops, which provides Christian-based treatment for sex addicts, their partners, couples, and teens affected by sexual addiction. Learn more at bethesdaworkshops.org.

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26 Sep 2022The Beauty Of Brotherhood (Psalm 133)00:40:01

Listen to my sermon about embodied brotherhood from the recent Husband Material Retreat in Santa Barbara.

Psalm 133 (NIV 1984)

"How good and pleasant it is
    when brothers live together in unity!
  It is like precious oil poured on the head,
    running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron's beard,
    down upon the collar of his robes.
  It is as if the dew of Hermon
     were falling on Mount Zion.
  For there the LORD bestows his blessing,
     even life forevermore."

The Beauty Of Brotherhood
Sermon on Psalm 133 by Drew Boa 
Sunday, September 11th, 2022 

  1. Embodied brotherhood is precious & rare
  2. Embodied brotherhood is powerful & refreshing
  3. Embodied brotherhood is eternal

Watch the original video recording of this episode here.

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03 Oct 2022Porn, Anxiety, And Depression (with Ben Bennett)00:31:34

Do you know what it's like to struggle with depression or anxiety in addition to porn? Ben Bennett does; he has also experienced years of freedom. In this episode, Ben unpacks how mental health challenges and unwanted sexual behavior are related. Using a mix of science and Scripture, he also highlights the path to healing. This episode is important!

Ben Bennett is an author, podcast host, and speaker with Josh McDowell Ministry as the Director of Resolution Movement–a global movement helping people overcome hurts and struggles and thrive in life. Ben helps individuals young and old understand and work through the underlying factors driving the unhealthy patterns in their lives.

Buy Ben's book, co-authored with Josh McDowell (this is a paid link):
Free To Thrive: How Your Hurt, Struggles, And Deepest Longings Can Lead To A Fulfilling Life

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10 Oct 2022From Pain To Purpose (with Rick Carlson)00:33:08

Rick Carlson spent years running from pain, hiding from others, and hating God... until everything changed. In this episode, Rick shares his story of prenatal trauma, physical differences, self-hatred, substance abuse, porn use, and his healing journey over the past 12 years.

"Your greatest pain can become your greatest purpose." —Rick Carlson

Rick Carlson is the founder of Comeback Coaching. As a Certified Husband Material Coach, Life Coach, and Pastor, Rick is passionate about walking with men who feel left behind or believe they are less valued. Rick specializes in coaching men who are overcoming various addictions. Rick's faith-based approach offers compassion for men to discover the deeper reasons for their struggles and outgrow unwanted sexual behaviors. His goals are to help men know that they matter and provide an opportunity for healing. Rick loves to see men make a comeback!

"Rick has helped me reframe and understand my porn use and compulsive sexual behavior not as the main problem, but as a pacifier, helping me get to the root issue that is underneath. He is real, relatable, and wise, and is willing to challenge you in the best possible way." —Daniel

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Contact Rick at rickcarlson2020@gmail.com

Learn more at comebackcoaching.org

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17 Oct 2022Is Covenant Eyes "Shameware"?00:21:10

Anti-porn accountability software has come under scrutiny after an article in WIRED Magazine described Covenant Eyes as "shameware" and "just another way the church controls you.” In this episode, you'll hear what's going on, what I think about accountability software, and how to decide if it's right for you.

Article in WIRED Magazine: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

My top recommendation for accountability software: Covenant Eyes

For those of you who use accountability software:
“If your CovenantEyes or Accountable2You apps are acting funny as of late, there is a very likely reason! Covenant Eyes and Accountable2You were removed from the Google Play Store, and there's a chance your services may have been disrupted. If that's the case, check your email for instructions they have sent to get your software active again and working (there is a workaround which may include reinstalling or activating from their websites). So far this has affected Android users. It's still unclear what repercussions this may have for iPhone/iOS users. So please be watchful. Stand strong, courageous men, and don't allow any software glitches to affect you on your journey to outgrow porn!” —Kolton Thomas, founder of Reclaimed Recovery

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24 Oct 2022How Can Fathers And Sons Outgrow Porn Together? (with John Fort and Lucas Fort)00:48:14

"Your failure in sexuality is what qualifies you to talk to your son about sex in the first place." In this fascinating episode, a father and son tell their story of learning to talk about emotions and sex together. John and Lucas Fort explain what does(n't) work, what's (not) appropriate, and why imperfection is necessary for connection.

Buy John and Lucas's book (this is a paid link):
Father-Son Accountability: Integrity Through Relationship

John Fort serves as Director of Training for Be Broken Ministries, where he helps men, women, and families move from sexual brokenness to wholeness in Christ. John is a co-founder of the Sexual Integrity Leadership Summit. John has authored or co-authored ten books, including Father-Son Accountability: Integrity Through Relationship.

Lucas Fort grew up talking to his parents (especially his father) about personal topics like feelings and sexuality. He uses what he’s learned to help parents and their children better understand each other while navigating the topics of sex and pornography.

John and Lucas live close to Portland, Oregon.

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31 Oct 2022Emotional Safety (with Alex Avila)00:35:20

"Our most vital relational need is to be emotionally safe...we cannot truly connect with anyone if we don't feel safe in their presence." —Alex Avila

But what is emotional safety, exactly? How can you tell if a person or relationship is safe or unsafe? Christian therapist Alex Avila explains what it looks like to protect our hearts while giving and receiving "safer love."

SAFER LOVE:
S = Slow and soft
A = Appreciation
F = Feelings
E = Empathy
R = Responsibility

L = Listening
O = Openness
V = Validation
E = Empowerment

Alex A. Avila is a licensed professional counselor and certified sex addiction therapist who meets with men, women and couples to help them overcome trauma, connect emotionally in their relationships, and rewrite their sexual scripts. Alex also facilitates couple’s workshops and couple therapy intensives, men’s sexual recovery groups, and online relationship classes.

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07 Nov 2022How To Break Up With Porn00:11:45

Outgrowing porn is not easy. The process is often messy and prolonged. That's why some men have found value in writing a formal break-up letter to pornography. This episode will give you a simple structure to write your own break-up letter. You can also use this structure to break up with an abusive partner or any other unwanted sexual behavior, fantasy, or attachment.

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14 Nov 2022Find The Boy Within The Man (with Chris Bruno)00:48:42

Is there really a boy inside every man? What does "healing the boy" practically look like? Chris Bruno delightfully demonstrates how to find your younger self and bring him home. This interview is amazing! You'll come away with greater awareness, curiosity, kindness, and healing.

Chris Bruno is the Co-Founder and CEO of Restoration Project, and Founder of ReStory Counseling, devoting his life to helping people come alive. He is a licensed professional counselor who has decades of experience helping men recover their hearts.

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21 Nov 2022Male Survivors Of Sexual Abuse (with Mike Chapman and Dr. Doug Carpenter)01:39:45

What's it like to be a male survivor of sexual abuse? In our very first community-based episode, Husband Material men tell their stories of sexual abuse. You'll learn how to respond appropriately to the needs of male survivors.

Mike Chapman is a Certified Husband Material Coach and the leader of our community sub-group for survivors of sexual abuse. Contact Mike at polarlifeconsulting@gmail.com

Dr. Doug Carpenter is a clinical psychologist, author, and moderator in the Husband Material Community. Contact Doug at douglascarpenter.com/contact

Jordan, Chris, Kevin, Daniel, "Chaz," and Roger are all members of the Husband Material Community.

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28 Nov 2022What If I'm Sexually Attracted To Myself?00:16:43

Have you been sexually attracted to yourself, or someone just like you? In this episode, you'll learn three types of self-attraction, my own personal story, and what to do if you are sexually attracted to yourself.

Come to my workshop "What Do I Do With My Sexual Attractions?" at The Porn Free Man online conference on January 6-7, 2023. It's free. Register now at thepornfreeman.com

Here's the Seinfeld clip I quoted: "Falling in love with someone who's just like you" - https://youtu.be/NVDT1ARABvE

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05 Dec 2022Authentic Manhood (with Dr. Joe Martin)01:00:11

What is a real man? Dr. Joe Martin exposes the lies we believe about our value as men, in contrast to the example of authentic manhood set by Jesus Christ.

Wrong perceptions of manhood (what society says):

  • Occupation
  • Compensation
  • Education
  • Reputation
  • Intimidation

 Authentic manhood is determined by:

  • Leading spiritually
  • Rejecting passivity
  • Loving and serving sacrificially

Dr. Joe Martin is an award-winning speaker, author, educator, and certified builder of men. He’s the author of nine books and the host of Real Men Connect, the top-rated podcast for Christian men. Learn more at realmenconnect.com

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12 Dec 2022How To Be A Great Lover (with Dr. Keith Gregoire)00:46:22

What does it take to unlock a woman's sexual pleasure? Dr. Keith Gregoire explains how sex actually works, why we need to redefine sex, and how men can become better lovers.

Keith Gregoire is a pediatrician who is passionate about building great marriages and equipping couples to parent well. He is co-author (along with his wife, Sheila Wray Gregoire) of "The Good Guys Guide to Great Sex." Together, they have been speaking to couples around the world for over fifteen years, providing healthy, evidence-based, biblical advice for your marriage and sex life.

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19 Dec 2022Emotional Fitness (with Sathiya Sam)00:37:29

What's the difference between emotional health and emotional fitness? Why does it matter? In this episode, Sathiya Sam explains what emotional fitness looks like and how you can leverage the added stress of the holiday season to become stronger.

Sathiya Sam is an entrepreneur with a passion to see people’s lives transformed. DeepClean, a program that helps men overcome pornography addiction, is Sathiya's most recent work to date. His proven process for freedom has helped everyone from college students to medical doctors regain control of their lives. He is married to his lovely wife Shaloma and based out of Toronto, Canada.

Listen to Sathiya's daily podcast: Unleash The Man Within

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26 Dec 2022How Do I Help My Hurting Spouse? (with Dr. Eddie Capparucci)00:53:57

How can I help my partner heal? When she is "throwing rocks" at me, what can I do? In this episode, Dr. Eddie Capparucci shares 10 rules for healthy interaction with your grieving partner:

10 Rules:
1. No Explaining
2. No Surprises
3. Validation, Not Defensiveness
4. Don’t Wilt (Be Confident)
5. Don’t Let Your Inner Child Speak To Your Partner
6. See Her Pain
7. Walk Into The Fire
8. Communicate Before Going Out In Public
9. Own Your Impact, Not Just Your Intentions
10. Prepare Yourself Every Morning

Dr. Eddie Capparucci is an author and therapist who specializes in the treatment of sex and porn addiction. He's also the creator of the Inner Child Recovery Process (ICRP).

Buy Eddie's latest book (this is a paid link):
Why Men Struggle To Love: Overcoming Relational Blind Spots

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02 Jan 2023Becoming Porn Free In 202300:12:49

In this episode, I'll recommend 3 resources to help you outgrow porn in 2023. Stay til the end to hear a big announcement about HMA (the doors are closing). 

As promised, here are my top 5 episodes of Husband Material: 

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09 Jan 2023Habits That Heal (with Shawn Bonneteau)00:38:02

What habits are most helpful for healing and outgrowing porn? In this episode, Shawn Bonneteau presents a beautiful menu of ideas to transform habits without pressure, perfectionism, or "shoulding" all over yourself in 2023.

Shawn Bonneteau is a Christian pornography recovery coach and podcast host at Secret Habit. After quitting porn in the summer of 2017, he has spent his life pursuing God's call to transform relationships through coaching men to find freedom from porn. Shawn is a certified Husband Material coach, certified sexual addictions mentor and an inner child recovery specialist. He spends the majority of his time coaching men all over the globe in both 1-on-1 and group settings. He has a deep passion for speaking and has had the privilege to share with tens of thousands of men and women on the topics of porn addiction, masturbation and erectile dysfunction over the past 4 years. Shawn lives in Halifax, Canada with his wife Helena and daughter Violet. In his spare time he loves to watch hockey, play the drums and watch a good mindbender from Christopher Nolan.

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16 Jan 2023What Types Of Change Are Possible? (with Rich Wyler)00:36:29

In this episode, Rich Wyler answers tough questions with curiosity, compassion, and courage. You'll learn what it looks like to work through internal conflict around sexual arousal and personal beliefs. You'll also learn why unconditional love and acceptance is our starting point.

Rich Wyler is the founder of Brothers on a Road Less Traveled (“Brothers Road”), a non-profit, multi-faith, international fellowship of men. Brothers Road is primarily for men from bisexual and same-sex attracted backgrounds who do not identify with the label “gay” and prefer instead to explore and address underlying issues.

In 2002, Rich created the powerful Journey Into Manhood experiential personal-growth weekend. Rich holds a bachelor’s degree in corporate communications and a certification in life coaching from Coach Training Alliance.

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23 Jan 2023Sexual Fluidity And Sexual Plasticity00:10:51

In this episode, you'll learn two concepts that can give you less shame and more hope on your journey of outgrowing porn. 

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30 Jan 2023How Porn Fuels Sex Trafficking (with Benji Nolot)00:30:25

In this episode, you'll learn four ways pornography fuels sex trafficking...and what we can do about it. Award-winning filmmaker Benji Nolot reveals what goes on behind the scenes of pornography. 

Benji Nolot is committed to the abolition of modern-day slavery by campaigning to shift cultural mindsets and laws that would abolish commercial sexual exploitation. He founded Exodus Cry in 2008 after being inspired by the life of William Wilberforce. In everything he does, Benji is driven by a conviction that every person should be free.

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06 Feb 2023How Porn Affects Children (with Benji Nolot)00:35:54

If you were exposed to porn at a young age, this episode is for you. Award-winning filmmaker Benji Nolot explains why children are not voluntary consumers of porn, and why self-compassion is essential for healing. You'll get a powerful glimpse into the humanity and vulnerability of men and women on both sides of the screen.

Benji Nolot is committed to the abolition of modern-day slavery by campaigning to shift cultural mindsets and laws that would abolish commercial sexual exploitation. He founded Exodus Cry in 2008 after being inspired by the life of William Wilberforce. In everything he does, Benji is driven by a conviction that every person should be free.

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13 Feb 2023How Much Does She Need To Know About The Porn? (LIVE)00:35:57

Have you ever wondered how much your crush, girlfriend, fiancée, or wife needs to know about your relationship with porn? In this episode, you'll learn the appropriate level of detail to share when you're single, dating, engaged, or married. This episode is challenging and necessary.

Free document: Resources For Partners Of Husband Material Men

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NOTE: "If you are a partner, you have a right to request a formal therapeutic full disclosure. You also have a right not to receive a disclosure if you don’t want one." —Vicki Tidwell Palmer

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20 Feb 2023Experience Healing Through IFS (with Dr. Peter Malinoski)00:31:15

In this episode, you'll learn why healing experiences are essential for outgrowing porn. Dr. Peter Malinoski explains how the internal family systems model (IFS) can help us heal by meeting the five attachment needs we all have. 

Clinical psychologist Dr. Peter Malinoski is president of Souls and Hearts and host of Interior Integration for Catholics, a podcast helping Catholics embrace their identities as beloved sons and daughters of God. Peter specifically addresses the topics of freedom from porn and masturbation in episodes 51-56 of his podcast. Contact Peter here.

Five Attachment Needs:

  1. A felt sense of safety and protection
  2. A felt sense of being seen, heard, known, and understood (attunement)
  3. A felt sense of being comforted, calmed, and reassured (soothing)
  4. A felt sense of being valued, cherished, and treasured (expressed delight)
  5. A felt sense of being supported in becoming one’s own unique best self

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27 Feb 2023Guided IFS Experiential Exercise (with Dr. Peter Malinoski)00:32:24

In this episode, you'll be guided through an exercise using the internal family systems model (IFS). Dr. Peter Malinoski demonstrates how to connect with your "parts"—including parts that might be attached to porn and unwanted sexual behavior.

Clinical psychologist Dr. Peter Malinoski is president of Souls and Hearts and host of Interior Integration for Catholics, a podcast helping Catholics embrace their identities as beloved sons and daughters of God. Peter specifically addresses the topics of freedom from porn and masturbation in episodes 51-56 of his podcast. Contact Peter here.

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06 Mar 2023Unburdening Sexual Arousal (with Dr. Peter Malinoski)01:19:20

In this episode, Dr. Peter Malinoski guides Drew Boa through the process of unburdening sexual arousal using the internal family systems model (IFS). This type of healing experience can bring tremendous freedom from porn and unwanted sexual behavior.

Disclaimer: This is what we call a demo, which is short for a demonstration. Demos are a common way for IFS therapists to practice with each other and to show others what IFS is like. Demos are not therapy or counseling. In sharing this demo, we are not trying to teach people how to do IFS on themselves or others, but rather demonstrating what the IFS model can look like in action. Unburdening protocols are taught in formal IFS Level 1 training from the IFS Institute. IFS Level 1 training is required to do unburdening protocols and to be called an IFS therapist.

Clinical psychologist Dr. Peter Malinoski is president of Souls and Hearts and host of Interior Integration for Catholics, a podcast helping Catholics embrace their identities as beloved sons and daughters of God. Peter specifically addresses the topics of freedom from porn and masturbation in episodes 51-56 of his podcast. Contact Peter here.

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13 Mar 2023Bullying And Same-Sex Attraction (with Jordan Castille)00:35:10

How can bullying contribute to same-sex attraction? Jordan Castille tells his story of being bullied, how that impacted his sexual development, and how Jesus brought him healing and freedom from gay porn.

Jordan Castille is a Board Certified Christian Counselor, Sex Addiction Specialist, and Certified Husband Material Coach. He and his wife Cherise have two boys. Jordan loves Jesus, people, video games, working out, learning how to fix things, legos, and his church community. Jordan also does one-on-one coaching and small group coaching within the Husband Material Community.

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20 Mar 2023Healing From Spiritual Abuse (with Chris Inman)00:36:09

In this episode, you'll learn what spiritual abuse is and how to heal from it. Chris Inman tells his story of being spiritual abused as a boy and how it has affected him into adulthood.

Chris Inman is the creator and facilitator of Porn Free Masculinity, an online intensive recovery program for men struggling with porn and compulsive sexual behavior. He invites men to consider how the blessings and trauma of their stories have curated their unwanted sexual brokenness. Chris helps men transform their addiction into abundance through story work and facilitating healthy recovery practices in a group dynamic. Professionally, Chris is a Certified Professional Recovery Coach (CPRC), a Pastoral Sex Addiction Professional (PSAP), and an Unwanted Certified Guide. He spent 15 years in vocational ministry as a youth pastor and currently serves as a Local Elder at the People of Mars Hill in Mobile, AL.


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27 Mar 2023How Do You Define Pornography?00:07:18

In this episode, you'll learn 2 ways to define pornography, 6 pornographic styles of relating, and what it means to be sexually healthy and mature.

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03 Apr 2023Role Playing Betrayal Trauma (with Dr. Eddie Capparucci)01:51:33

In this extended episode, you'll hear 8 dramatized examples of mistakes men make while relating to women they have sexually betrayed and traumatized. You'll learn how to offer validation, own your impact, build your confidence, and be proactive. This session from The Porn Free Man Conference will show you exactly what (not) to do to help her heal.

Dr. Eddie Capparucci is an author and therapist who specializes in the treatment of sex and porn addiction. He's also the creator of the Inner Child Recovery Process (ICRP).

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10 Apr 2023How To Use The Body To Outgrow Porn (with Andrew Bauman)00:23:55

In this episode, you'll learn why healing must happen in your body. Andrew Bauman reveals why talk therapy is not enough, what "the body keeps the score" actually means, how to use the body to outgrow porn and real-life examples of embodied healing. This interview is awesome!

Andrew Bauman is the founder & director of the Christian Counseling Center: For Sexual Health & Trauma (CCC). Andrew is an author and licensed mental health counselor with a Master of Arts in Counseling Psychology from The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology.

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The Body Keeps The Score: Brain, Mind, And Body In The Healing Of Trauma, by Bessel van der Kolk

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17 Apr 2023Directing Sexual Energy In Singleness00:35:17

What do I do with my sexual energy—especially if I'm single? In this episode, you'll learn the two types of sexual energy, why singleness can feel like a curse, and God’s good design for sexuality in singleness. You'll also hear real life examples of Christian men directing their sexual energy into deeper connection, pleasure, and creativity.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

  • God & Sex (sermon series from Reality San Fransisco featuring Dave Lomas)
  • Finding Intimacy And Community As A Celibate Gay Christian (podcast and video by Preston Sprinkle featuring Art Pereira)
  • Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance In The Age Of Indulgence (book by Anna Lembke; paid link)
  • The Lord Will Fight For You (song written by Drew Boa, performed by Husband Material Men)

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24 Apr 2023Emotional Abuse (with Dr. Jake Porter)00:37:40

What is emotional abuse? Dr. Jake Porter explains how to identify emotional abuse, heal from it, and stop emotionally abusing others.

Dr. Jake Porter is a Board Certified Counselor, Certified Sex Addiction Therapist, APSATS Certified Clinical Partner Specialist, and the Founder of Daring Ventures. He is also the creator of Couple–Centered Recovery, a model for overcoming attachment wounds in couples experiencing the trauma of betrayal. 

Connect with Jake at drjakeporter.com

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01 May 2023Introduction To Outgrowing Porn (wth Dr. Robert Masters)00:28:10

What does it mean to outgrow porn? Dr. Robert Masters unpacks this concept (which he created) with stunning depth and clarity. 

Robert Augustus Masters is a psychotherapist, group leader, and relationship expert with a doctorate in psychology. His intuitive, uniquely integral work, developed over the past four decades, blends the psychological and physical with the emotional and spiritual.

Learn more at robertmasters.com.

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08 May 2023Three Keys To Becoming Husband Material00:13:05

What does it mean to become husband material? In this episode, you'll learn the importance of self-awareness, self-compassion, and self-leadership. Stay until the end for special appearances by 12 Husband Material Men! 

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15 May 2023Adult Children Of Sex Addicts (with Dr. Ken Adams)00:35:05

What happens when you grow up in a family affected by sexual addiction? In this episode, Dr. Ken Adams reveals the burdens carried by adult children of sex addicts. 

This conversation is especially helpful for those of us who inherited sexual shame from our parents. You'll learn why and how to release shame that has been passed down to you...and how to stop the cycle of generational trauma.

Dr. Ken Adams is a world-renowned therapist and expert on sexual addiction, shame, and enmeshment. Learn more at drkenadams.com

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A Light in the Dark: The Hidden Legacy of Adult Children of Sex Addicts by Kenneth Adams, Mary Meyer, and Culle Vande Garde

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22 May 2023Healing With My Parents (with Yvonne Boa and Sandy Boa)00:31:56

In this episode, my parents share the good and the bad of how they raised me, and how we are healing. It's a story of vulnerability, repentance, and redemption. 

"All families have difficulties. If you bury them, you grow apart. If you get them on the table and solve them, then you can heal from that." —Sandy Boa 

"Don't be afraid to go to the person and ask for forgiveness, because God's healing you and he's gonna heal the other person too. If you truly trust Him and you go with God, it's an amazing journey. Not easy but amazing." —Yvonne Boa 

Yvonne and Sandy Boa are my parents.

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29 May 2023How To Confront Parents With Compassion00:22:12

Have you ever thought about confronting a parent, but you're not sure how? In this episode, you'll learn the right questions to ask yourself when considering why and how to confront your parent(s) with compassion. 

Three important questions to ask: 

  1. What happened (to them and to me)? 
  2. How do I feel about what happened? 
  3. What do I want going forward? 


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Adult Children Of Emotionally Immature Parents: How to Heal from Distant, Rejecting, or Self-Involved Parents, by Dr. Lindsay C. Gibson

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05 Jun 2023Porn, Autism, and ADHD: Embracing Neurodiversity (with Candice Christiansen)00:37:31

How do neurodifferences like ADHD and autism relate to unwanted sexual behavior? How can embracing neurodiversity help us heal and outgrow porn? Candice Christiansen offers powerful perspectives and practical advice. This interview is delightful!

For neurodivergent individuals (and same or mixed neurotype couples) who are struggling, Candice is here to help you gain clarity to make your relationship, intimacy, and sex as enjoyable, wonderful, and pleasurable as possible!

Candice Christiansen is Autistic, ADHD, and a NeuroDifferent thought leader in the sexual recovery world. She is an "autism sexpert" who provides therapy and intimacy coaching to neurodivergent adults and mixed neurotype couples. Candice also provides EMDR and IFS therapy to complex trauma survivors with a variety of sex, relationship, and intimacy issues.

Candice is the founder of Namasté Center For Healing.

Learn more about Candice at candicechristiansen.com.

You can also email candice@namasteadvice.com.

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12 Jun 2023Porn And Third Culture Kids (with John Kilmer)00:41:38

Growing up between worlds, third culture kids face unique challenges in developing their identity and sense of belonging. Can these experiences create a higher risk of struggling with pornography? John Kilmer reveals the impact of moving during crucial developmental stages, and how unprocessed grief and loss can lead to unwanted sexual behavior. Through John's story, we discover the burden AND the beauty of being a third culture man.

John Kilmer is a Mental Health Life Coach, Occupational Therapist, and Certified Husband Material Coach. He's a grateful follower of Jesus Christ who is passionate about men's inner healing work.  As a child, John traveled the world as the son of missionaries.  These early experiences deeply shaped his worldview, fostering curiosity and adventure. John lives with his wife and children at Deerhaven Farm and Retreat in the rural hills of northeastern Washington.  He enjoys canoeing, photography, hiking, and leading men's healing groups, both at his property and online.

Learn more about John at relaxedcaregiver.com.

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19 Jun 2023Making Sense Of Masturbation: Science, Scripture, And My Story (LIVE)00:47:28

What is masturbation? How does it affect the brain? What does the Bible (not) say about it? What will happen to me if I don't masturbate? In this episode, I'll share insights from neuroscience, the New Testament, and my own story of masturbation. 

I've been researching this topic for the past 13 years...so I have a lot to share! You'll learn why myelination matters (even in masturbation without fantasy). You'll hear how masturbation combined with pornography has increased widespread erectile dysfunction (including in my life). You'll find out what happens if you don't masturbate (hint: you'll be okay). You'll also learn the difference between lustful intent and simply noticing an attractive person (what purity culture didn't teach you). Most importantly, you'll ask better questions and develop a more mature perspective on masturbation!

Come back next week for part 2 of this teaching.

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Bible verses referenced:

  • Matthew 5:27-28
  • 1 Thessalonians 4:3-6a
  • 1 Corinthians 6:12-20

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26 Jun 2023Making Sense Of Masturbation: Case Studies And Spicy Questions (LIVE)00:42:12

Can masturbation ever be neutral or healthy? In this episode, I'll explore complex moral questions about masturbation. Together with a live audience, we'll analyze 10 situations you may have never considered before:

  • A toddler touches his penis to feel pleasure
  • A young boy learns to masturbate from his uncle
  • A teenager masturbates to regulate his emotions
  • A teenager masturbates while imagining a cheeseburger
  • A single man committed to celibacy discovers "core-gasm"
  • A single man who has never masturbated escapes purity culture
  • A man masturbates without lust to try to wean himself off of porn
  • A married man masturbates without his wife's knowledge or consent
  • A man getting a vasectomy masturbates to obey his doctor's orders
  • An elderly man massages his penis to warm up for sex with his wife
  • A married man masturbates to connect with his disabled wife

You'll also hear insights about how to talk with children about masturbation, how to stop masturbating, and more.

Regardless of your particular view, this thought-provoking conversation will leave you with more curiosity, more compassion, less confusion, and less shame. Listen! You won't regret it.

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03 Jul 2023Secrets Of Sex And Marriage (with Dr. Michael Sytsma)00:43:08

"He said at 74, I am having the best sex of my life. At 74, my penis only occasionally shows up for the party. But I am still having the best sex of my life. I wish I had known in my thirties how to have this kind of sex."

What is sex ultimately about? How can married couples enjoy sex more? How do you deal with differences in sexual desire? In this episode, Dr. Michael Sytsma offers a robust theology of sexuality AND clinical wisdom on how to unlock arousal, increase intimacy, and have fun in the bedroom.

Dr. Michael Sytsma is a licensed professional counselor, certified sex therapist, ordained minister, professor, and national speaker. He has over 30 years of clinical experience in sex therapy and is the founder of Building Intimate Marriages, Inc. and co-founder of Sexual Wholeness, Inc.

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10 Jul 2023I'm Fine Syndrome (with Stephen Thomas)00:44:17

Have you ever pretended to be fine when you're really not? In this episode, Stephen Thomas explains "I'm Fine Syndrome"—what it is, why we struggle with it, and how to crush it. You'll learn the importance of honoring your wants and needs...and the power of being authentic. Admitting you're not fine is an act of bravery and the first step towards true freedom.

Stephen Thomas is a husband and father who has enjoyed freedom from porn and hookup culture for over 14 years. He is a Certified Husband Material Coach who provides coaching for individuals, couples, and groups. Stephen is passionate about seeing men who feel hopelessly buried by addictions come alive and realize the strength God has placed in them.

Learn more at stephenthomasconsulting.com

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17 Jul 2023Experience Healing Through Psychodrama (with Dr. Doug Carpenter)00:46:02

What is psychodrama? How can it help men outgrow porn?  In this episode, Dr. Doug Carpenter explains why this powerful type of therapy creates profound healing experiences and accelerates freedom from porn.

Picture this: you're on stage. You're the protagonist in your own drama, undoing and redoing the story of your life. But you're not alone. Your director is attuning to you. Your auxiliaries (other actors) are supporting you by playing the roles you need them to play. Your audience members are witnessing your process as they share in your healing. You find yourself saying things you've never said, feeling things you've never felt, and doing things you've never done. That's what psychodrama allows you to do.

Dr. Doug introduces the basics of psychodrama as well as techniques like doubling, spiraling, role reversal, and using props. We talk about the need for creativity and spontaneity while staying sensitive to the Holy Spirit and the needs of each group member. We also marvel at the beauty of inviting Jesus into this process. At the end, you'll learn how we are incorporating psychodrama into Husband Material (both online and in-person) to help men heal and outgrow porn.

For online psychodrama:
Apply to join a Level 2 Husband Material Group (space is very limited)

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Dr. Doug Carpenter is an author, clinical psychologist, and Certified Husband Material Coach. Learn more at douglascarpenter.com

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24 Jul 2023A Story Of Healing Through Psychodrama (with Rick Carlson and Dr. Doug Carpenter)00:32:47

What does psychodrama actually look like? In this episode, Rick Carlson tells the amazing story of his psychodrama process at the Husband Material Leaders Retreat.

Register now for the upcoming Husband Material Retreat at husbandmaterial.com/retreat

The early bird discount ends on August 1st.

Rick Carlson is a Recovery Pastor, Life Coach, and Certified Husband Material Coach. Learn more at comebackcoaching.org

Dr. Doug Carpenter is an author, clinical psychologist, and Certified Husband Material Coach. Learn more at douglascarpenter.com

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31 Jul 2023How My Sexual Fetish Shifted Over Time00:27:12

In this episode, I'll share 7 things that shifted my sexual fetish to become less intense, less frequent, less disruptive, and less arousing. NOTE: I believe trying to alter sexual attraction is both unethical and unhelpful. My fetish has not been removed or replaced, and that is not my goal. Rather, my fetish lost its power through a series of shifts that took place as I pursued healing and freedom from porn.

Here are the 7 things that helped me:

  1. Talking about the fetish
  2. Understanding the fetish
  3. Appreciating the fetish
  4. Acknowledging the fetish
  5. Completing the action
  6. Receiving the real thing
  7. Stopping the behavior

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07 Aug 2023From Rock Bottom To Recovery Coach (with George Morning)00:51:42

In this episode, you'll hear the inspiring story of George Morning ("Coach G"). We talk about the challenges faced by black men and men of color in outgrowing porn—and how societal pressures, misconceptions, and the normalization of addiction intensify these challenges. Coach G highlights the importance of finding relatable support and the power of positive internal dialogue.

George Morning (Coach G) is a Certified Addiction Recovery Coach. After 30+ years as an addict and losing family, finances, and faith, Coach G sought recovery in 2013 with The Mindful Habit. Since then, Coach G has helped thousands of men and women overcome their addictions, create healthier relationships, and live passionate lives.

Check out Coach G's book: HabitLand (this is a paid link)

Email: habitlandcoach@gmail.com

Website: beyondhabitland.com

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14 Aug 2023Why You Need A Recovery Action Plan (with Nick Stumbo & Trevor Winsor)00:43:58

How do you take action after relapse for growth and healing without using shame or punishment? After a porn relapse, what do appropriate consequences look like?

Nick Stumbo and Trevor Winsor are members of the Executive Team at Pure Desire Ministries. Together, they host the popular Pure Desire Podcast.

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Nick Stumbo is the Executive Director for Pure Desire. He has been in ministry leadership for over two decades. He was in pastoral ministry at East Hills Alliance Church in Kelso, Washington for 14 years. Nick has a Bachelor's in Pastoral Studies from Crown College, an MDiv from Bethel Seminary, and is a certified Pastoral Sex Addiction Professional (PSAP). He has authored two books, Setting Us Free and Safe: Creating a Culture of Grace in a Climate of Shame.

Trevor Winsor is the Marketing Director for Pure Desire. He has been in ministry leadership for 10 years. Trevor is a certified Pastoral Sex Addiction Professional (PSAP). He has a Bachelor’s in Psychology from Corban University, a Master’s in Ministry & Leadership from Western Seminary, and is a licensed pastor. Trevor is passionate about integrating trauma and addiction healing with spiritual disciplines to produce holistic healing.

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21 Aug 2023The Inner Child Challenge Workshop (LIVE)00:52:59

In this workshop led by Drew Boa, you'll learn how to connect with your inner child like never before. 

To complete the exercises, you will need:

  • A piece of paper (digital documents will NOT work for this)
  • 3 different crayons or colored pencils (if not, just use a pen)
  • A posture of curiosity and willingness to try something new

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28 Aug 2023Healing Your Marriage After Gay Porn (with Tamara Lichfield)00:38:52

This episode answers unique questions for married men who have sexually acted out with gay porn or other men. You'll learn what partners go through upon discovery of gay porn, why transparency matters, and how we can pursue connection with other men while continuing to rebuild trust with our wives.

Tamara Lichfield provides support for women who have experienced betrayal trauma at Becoming Shatterproof LLC.  Tamara has been trained by APSATS (Association of Partners Of Sex Addiction Treatment Specialists). She is a Certified Trauma-Informed Coach, a Certified Trauma Support Specialist, and a Certified Resilience Professional. 

You can reach Tamara  at becomingshatterproof@gmail.com

On Facebook at  https://www.facebook.com/becomingshatterproof

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04 Sep 2023Appropriate Touch Between Men (LIVE)00:56:23

Touch is one of our most basic human needs. But many of us have been deprived. How can men outgrowing porn embrace healthy physical touch with each other—and prevent harm? Find out in this panel discussion with Certified Husband Material Coaches Drew Boa, Stephen Thomas, John Kilmer, and Mike Chapman. 

You'll learn:

  • the importance of safe touch for emotional and sexual development
  • cultural differences in physical touch between men around the world
  • rules about touch for members of the Husband Material Community
  • how to keep yourself and others safe from unwanted touch
  • why you need to listen to your body and trust your gut
  • what to do if you get a connection erection (aka "broner")
  • how to fill your "touch bucket" in a safe, healthy way

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11 Sep 2023How To Heal Shame And Self-Contempt00:15:27

Have you ever struggled with shame or self-contempt? In this episode, you'll learn the simple formula for healing shame through vulnerability and connection. You'll also hear a vulnerable, shame-filled part of my story I've never shared publicly.

What if shame is actually not a curse, but a clue to our hearts and what we really need?

Shame is a normal human emotion that shows us how much we care.

Instead of using shame as a weapon, let’s use it as a window into where we need to heal.

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18 Sep 2023What To Do When You Feel The Urge To Watch Porn (with Dan Johnson)00:47:34

How do you handle the intense urge to watch porn? This was Dan Johnson's dilemma. Dan struggled with porn for over 20 years. After re-confessing to his wife, putting filters on all his devices, joining a community of other men, and seeing a certified sex addiction therapist, he was still not experiencing the freedom he was longing for. In this episode, Dan shares the specific strategy he used to finally outgrow porn.

Dan Johnson is a husband, a father, and the creator of The P.A.T.H. Plan and The New Paths Podcast. Dan is passionate about giving guys a practical, effective plan for the frontline of the porn struggle: how to handle and process the intense urge to watch porn.

Download the free PDF: newpaths.me/plan

Listen to the podcast: newpaths.me/podcast1

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25 Sep 2023Reintegrative Therapy (with Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Jr.)00:33:43

What is reintegrative therapy? Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Jr. explains his approach to treating trauma and how it can help men outgrow porn. Joseph also shares insights about sexual attraction, sexual development, euphoric recall, and the importance of being able to choose your own values and goals.

Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Jr. is a licensed clinical psychologist, author, researcher, and clinical director at The Breakthrough Clinic in Southern California. He received his Ph.D. in 2009 from the Chicago School of Professional Psychology.

Joseph is the president of the Reintegrative Therapy Association, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization in which trauma treatment is the goal, and sexual attraction change is often the byproduct. He is the author of multiple peer-reviewed, published articles on Reintegrative Therapy.

To participate in Joseph's new research study on memory recall and sexual arousal, email losangelesresearchcenter@gmail.com. Find out more information here.

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02 Oct 2023David’s Sexual Story (Sermon)00:49:13

Who was David—the boy, the king, the sex offender? In this episode, you’ll see David’s sexual story from a new angle. You'll also get a taste of church with Husband Material Men through the dramatic reading of Scripture, confession of sin, assurance of pardon, and Christ-centered preaching by Drew Boa.

This sermon was delivered on September 10, 2023 at the Husband Material Retreat.

"God loves all parts of you and me. He did not come to destroy our parts. He came to redeem our parts."

NOTE: Watch the video of this episode here.

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09 Oct 2023Porn And Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (with Andrew Loyd)00:28:53

Do you know what it's like to struggle with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) in addition to porn? Andrew Loyd does; he has also experienced years of freedom. In this episode, Andrew unpacks how OCD and unwanted sexual behavior can be related. With curiosity and compassion, he also highlights the path to healing. This episode is important!

Andrew Loyd is the founder of Restored Story Coaching. He is an ordained minister, Certified Enneagram Coach, and Certified Husband Material Coach. He is passionate about helping people find greater hope and healing through the power of kindness. He works with men and ministry leaders to identify and rewrite the shame scripts running their lives so they can live with greater freedom and purpose. Andrew lives with his family in Eugene, Oregon. In his spare time, Andrew loves playing guitar, songwriting, competitive axe throwing, and pairing a good cup of coffee with an excellent book.

Book a free 30-minute session with Andrew: calendly.com/restoredstory/30min

Learn more about Andrew at restoredstorycoaching.com

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16 Oct 2023Healing From Rejection, Racism, And Betrayal (with Roy Kim)00:48:42

Have you ever been rejected? Roy Kim explains how rejection and internalized racism drove him to pornography. He also opens up about what it's like to struggle with with porn as a pastor—and as a male betrayed partner. Roy offers real hope through the power of compassion and community.

Roy Kim, M.Div, CSAT, is a licensed marriage and family therapist in Southern California focusing on sexual addictions and betrayal trauma. He is a former pastor and enjoys partnering with pastors to educate churches about sexual addiction and betrayal trauma. Roy facilitates groups for sexual addiction, and betrayed partners, and facilitates specialized groups for pastors with sexual addiction. He also hosts the SA Speakeasy Podcast, which centers around sexual addiction conversations.

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23 Oct 2023How To Escape Creepy Conversations Before Sexting00:27:09

Have you ever felt uncomfortable or unsafe while chatting online? In this episode, I’ll share practical tips on how to escape creepy conversations… and 5 reasons why we sometimes don’t. At the end, you’ll hear real-life examples of how I have responded to unwanted sexual communication. 

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30 Oct 2023How Porn Recovery Can Transform Your Church (with Sam Black)00:32:10

What if your church was a safe space to outgrow porn? Sam Black explains how porn recovery ministry leads to less work for pastors, more generous donors, more passionate volunteers, and a legacy of health for the next generation. 

Sam Black is the Director of Recovery Education at CovenantEyes. He has edited 16 books on the impact of pornography and authored two: The Porn Circuit and The Healing Church.

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The Healing Church: What Churches Get Wrong About Pornography And How To Fix It.

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06 Nov 2023Helping Men Feel Safe To Open Up And Heal From Trauma (with Dr. James Reeves)00:25:07

What helps men feel safe to open up and heal from trauma? Dr. James Reeves (the pirate pastor) tells the story of facing his childhood wounds, building a hospital church, and creating the Fearless Series—which is fantastic!

The Fearless Series for Men is designed for Christian men to get the conversation started about childhood sexual, physical, or emotional trauma and how it has affected their lives.

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Dr. James Reeves has been a pastor for more than 40 years. He nearly resigned, but chose to confront his past, and then used his newfound freedom in Christ to build a "hospital church" based on addressing emotional wounds. James is a regular speaker at conferences across America about how the local church can minister effectively to survivors of sexual trauma.

Interested? Email James at Jamesreeves68@gmail.com.

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13 Nov 2023What Is A Pornographic Approach To Recovery?00:33:10

How has porn impacted your approach to recovery? Learn 7 pornographic styles of recovery and what healthy recovery looks like instead.

Pornographic recovery is:

  • isolated
  • escapist
  • avoiding pain
  • impatient
  • passive/consuming
  • cold and harsh.

Healthy recovery is:

  • relational
  • embodied
  • embracing pain
  • resilient
  • proactive/creative
  • warm and kind

The idea of "a pornographic style of recovery" is based on Andrew Bauman's concept of "a pornographic style of relating" (PSR) as described here:

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20 Nov 2023Can Medication Help Me Outgrow Porn? (with Adam O'Neill)00:32:04

What if certain kinds of medication can make it easier to outgrow porn? Adam O'Neill unpacks the benefits and drawbacks of supplementing your sexual recovery with medication such as naltrexone. You'll get wisdom about what to expect and how to decide what's right for you. Adam also addresses common objections and concerns about receiving psychiatric assistance with compassion and clarity from a Christ-centered perspective.

Here are the case reports Adam mentioned about naltrexone:

Interested in learning more? Bring your questions to our Live Q&A with Adam O'Neill on Tuesday, November 28th @ 7 PM Eastern Time inside the Husband Material Community.

Adam O'Neill is a Certified Physician Assistant who practices Christian Psychiatry in Virginia, where he is licensed to prescribe medications. Adam graduated from Thomas Jefferson University with a Masters of Physician Assistant Studies in 2019. Prior to that, he attended Wheaton College in Illinois, where he earned his Bachelors in Psychology. Learn more about Adam O'Neill & Associates at aoavirginia.com

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The Mind After Eden: Psychiatry in a Post-Fall World

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27 Nov 2023Experience Healing Through The Immanuel Approach (with Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson)00:48:14

What is the Immanuel Approach? How can it help Christian men outgrow porn? Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson unpack this amazing way to change your brain and heal your heart through connecting with Jesus experientially. You'll also hear a refreshing reminder of how Jesus relates to you with unconditional love, even in your deepest shame.

Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson are the founders of Face To Face Ministries. They are passionate heart healers who have dedicated their lives to activating and equipping men and women with tools backed by brain science to accelerate personal breakthroughs through connecting with Jesus using the Immanuel Approach.

Check out Cathy and Melinda's podcast here.

Immanuel Sessions are designed to help you connect with Jesus, receive healing from emotional wounds and trauma, and uncover lies that keep you from living out the truth of who you are in Christ. There is no agenda other than to help you connect with Jesus and allow Him to lead you into greater healing, freedom, and wholeness.

Schedule an an Immanuel Session with Face To Face Ministries here.

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04 Dec 2023Introduction To Sexual Symbolism00:16:19

What desires are commonly symbolized by the penis, breasts, kissing, oral sex, nudity, diapers, and feet? Find out in this short and sweet introduction!

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Here is the video I mentioned: Trauma and Sexual Fetish | Where Do Fetishes Come From?

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11 Dec 2023How To Analyze A Sexual Fantasy (with Dr. Doug Carpenter)01:00:17

What can sexual fantasies teach us? How should we analyze them? In this episode, Drew and Doug vulnerably share and analyze each other's sexual fantasies so you can understand what this work practically looks like and how to do it well.

The best place to start is Husband Material Academy, which opens up on January 1.

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18 Dec 2023Blessing vs. Cursing Yourself & The Story Behind Your Porn (with Chris Bruno)00:30:42

How do you shift from self-condemnation to self-compassion? Chris Bruno reveals how to discover the story behind your struggle with porn. You'll learn what it looks like to rediscover your true "masterpiece-ness" even in the throes of a porn relapse. Our deepest healing lies in turning to the God who knows and created us in His image.

Chris Bruno leads Restoration Project and ReStory Counseling, where he helps people come alive. He is a licensed professional counselor who has decades of experience helping men recover their hearts.

Chris is also a guest speaker at The Porn Free Man 2024 Online Conference on January 5-6, 2024! Learn more at thepornfreeman.com

Check out Chris' online courses at ReStory Labs

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25 Dec 2023How To Help Your Partner Heal (with Carol Sheets)00:35:55

How can I help my partner heal from the impact of my porn and sex addiction? Psychotherapist and author Carol Sheets reveals what sexually betrayed partners need most, and how you can "help her heal" when you create safety, practice empathy, offer validation, and take ownership without going into shame. This episode is super practical and full of great ideas!

Carol Juergensen Sheets (LCSW, CSAT) also known as "Carol The Coach" is the author of many books and workbooks about sex addiction and partner betrayal. She is also the creator of ERCEM: Early Recovery Couples Empathy Model.

Carol is also a guest speaker at The Porn Free Man Online Conference on January 5-6, 2024! Join us at thepornfreeman.com

Books and workbooks featuring Carol Sheets (these are paid links):


Learn more about Carol at sexhelpwithcarolthecoach.com

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01 Jan 202412 Reasons To Stop Shaming Yourself00:20:59

Learn 12 reasons why shaming yourself doesn't help, what's more powerful than shame, and what you can do instead of shaming yourself.

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08 Jan 2024Healing Through Artwork and Storywork (with Philip Leach and John Kilmer)00:58:37

What happens when you combine storywork, artwork, and Jesus? Witness powerful healing in this live demonstration of HMA Coaching! As Drew shares a story of difficulty, chalk artisan Philip Leach creates a visual representation while coach John Kilmer offers attunement. Then we invite Jesus into the story and watch the chalk art change. The result is jaw-droppingly beautiful and incredibly meaningful.

Watch the video of this episode here:

Philip Leach is a worshipper and friend of Jesus who enjoys expressing creativity and building joyful connection through snow sculpting, Immanuel Doodling, deliberate appreciation, and facilitating times of quiet listening and art. His journey has included lots of hand-painted pottery as well as two decades of presenting “chalk talks”. His primary passion is joining other men in breaking free from anything that’s keeping us from enjoying life, and then practicing skills to move forward powered by Joy.

John Kilmer is a Mental Health Life Coach, Occupational Therapist, and Certified Husband Material Coach. He's a grateful follower of Jesus Christ who is passionate about men's inner healing work. Learn more about John at relaxedcaregiver.com.

This type of experience is now being offered every week inside Husband Material Academy (HMA). The doors to HMA are currently open! Join now before the doors close on January 14 at joinHMA.com

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