Dare to be Different with Craig White (Craig White)

Craig sits down for a chat with Matty Peet, the devoted husband, father, and head coach of the Wigan Rugby League team, the current world champions. Matty shares his journey from being a passionate rugby player to leading one of the most successful rugby teams in the world. This conversation delves into his coaching philosophy, the importance of family, and the values that drive his leadership style. Tune in to hear Matty's inspiring story and gain insights into what it takes to lead a world-class team with heart and dedication.


SHOW NOTES

Welcome

• Introduction: Craig White introduces the podcast and today’s guest, Matty Peet.
• Guest Introduction: Matty Peet, head coach of the Wigan Rugby League team.

Matty's Journey

• Early Life: Matty's background and early passion for rugby.
• Career Path: Transition from player to coach and the challenges faced along the way.

Coaching Philosophy

• Leadership Style: Matty’s approach to leading the team with a focus on values and culture.
• Team Dynamics: Building a strong, cohesive team and fostering a winning mindset.

Importance of Family

• Work-Life Balance: How Matty balances his demanding career with his roles as a husband and father.
• Support System: The role of family in Matty’s personal and professional life.

Key Moments and Achievements

• Championship Journey: Highlights from Wigan’s journey to becoming world champions.
• Pivotal Games: Memorable matches and turning points in Matty’s coaching career.

Insights and Advice

• Motivation and Resilience: How to stay motivated and resilient in the face of challenges.
• Advice for Aspiring Coaches: Tips for those looking to pursue a career in coaching.

LookIng Ahead

• Future Goals: Matty’s vision for the future of Wigan Rugby and his personal aspirations.

Conclusion

• Final Thoughts: Matty’s closing remarks on leadership, family, and success.

Key Quotes from Matty Peet

• "Leadership is about building a culture where everyone feels valued and motivated to give their best."
• "Balancing family and career is challenging, but it's also what keeps me grounded and focused."
• "Every setback is an opportunity to learn and grow stronger."

Resources and Links

• Connect with Matty Peet on LinkedIn
• Visit the Wigan Warriors Official Website

Craig sits down with Andrew Jenkins, star of BBC’s The Traitors, a motivational speaker and mental health coach, and former rugby player, whose life took a dramatic turn at the age of 21. Andrew shares his incredible story of surviving a near-fatal car accident, overcoming severe physical and mental health challenges, and finding a new purpose in life. His journey is one of resilience, determination, and unwavering passion to help others struggling with mental health issues. Tune in to hear Andrew's transformative experiences, the lessons he's learned, and his mission to make a positive impact on the world.


Introduction

• Welcome: Introduction of Andrew Jenkins - motivational speaker, mental health coach, former rugby player.

Andrew's Early Life and Accident

• Background: Andrew's upbringing in Llantrisant, Wales, and his early dreams of becoming a professional rugby player.
• The Accident: At 21, Andrew was involved in a severe car accident, initially pronounced dead on the scene.
• Medical Journey: Detailed account of the medical challenges, surgeries, and recovery process.

Overcoming Physical and Mental Health Challenges

• Physical Recovery: Learning to walk again and defying medical expectations.
• Mental Health Struggles: The profound impact on Andrew's mental health, dealing with loss of identity, and feelings of worthlessness.
• Coping Mechanisms: Gym, boxing, and the eventual return to playing rugby.

The Turning Point

• Significant Relationships: Meeting a partner who taught him the value of vulnerability.
• Meeting the Surgeon: Reconnecting with the doctor who saved his life and the realisation to focus on the future.
• Family Conversations: Heartfelt discussions with his parents and son about the accident and its impact.

Finding New Purpose

• Rugby League Team: Establishing the South Wales Rabbitohs with his son and finding a sense of belonging.
• Coaching: Gaining coaching qualifications and becoming a mentor to young athletes.
• Public Speaking: Using his platform to speak about mental health in schools, universities, and corporate environments.

The Power of Vulnerability and Connection

• TV Appearance: Participation in a popular UK reality show The Traitors to raise awareness about mental health.
• Impact: Receiving messages from people inspired by his story, including those undergoing cancer treatment.
• Family Dynamics: Changing his relationship with his son and fostering open communication.

Lessons and Advice

• Educating the Next Generation: Importance of teaching mental health and life skills in schools.
• Support Systems: Creating safe spaces for people to talk about their struggles.
• Lived Experiences: Sharing real-life stories to connect and inspire others.

Upcoming Projects and Aspirations

• Future Challenges: Upcoming 1200-kilometre walk across the UK to promote mental health awareness.
• Mission: Andrew’s dedication to helping as many people as possible through his speaking engagements and community involvement.

Conclusion

• Final Thoughts: Andrew’s closing remarks on the importance of finding purpose, being true to oneself, and the power of resilience.

Key Quotes from Andrew Jenkins

• "I was pronounced dead on the side of the road, but here I am, living a life full of purpose."
• "Physical injuries were horrendous, but my biggest challenge lay ahead, which was really my mental health."
• "The power of vulnerability is incredible. It's okay to show emotion and talk about our struggles."
• "Be courageous, push through the fear, and be the real you. Live to your authentic self."

Resources and Links

Craig White interviews Rhys Thomas, a former elite professional rugby player turned breathwork facilitator and coach. Rhys shares his remarkable story of transformation after a life-altering heart attack at the age of 29. He discusses his journey through the darkest times of his life, battling physical and mental health challenges, and his ultimate path to healing and purpose. Rhys opens up about the importance of vulnerability, the power of breathwork, and his mission to help others through his coaching and mental health initiatives. Join us to hear Rhys' inspiring story of resilience, recovery, and redemption.


Introduction

• Host Introduction: Craig White welcomes listeners and introduces the guest, Rhys Thomas.
• Guest Introduction: Rhys Thomas, former professional rugby player, now a breathwork facilitator and coach.

Rhys' Early Life and Rugby Career

• Background: Rhys’ upbringing and passion for rugby.
• Career Highlights: Playing for the Scarlets and involvement with the Welsh national team.

The Life-Altering Heart Attack

• The Incident: Rhys recounts his severe heart attack at age 29 while training in the gym.
• Medical Journey: The physical and mental challenges following his heart attack and quadruple bypass surgery.
• Impact on Career: Coming to terms with the end of his rugby career and the associated emotional struggles.

The Descent and Struggles

• Coping Mechanisms: Turning to alcohol and destructive behaviors to numb the pain.
• Rock Bottom: Rhys shares the darkest moments of his post-heart attack life, including near-death experiences and emotional turmoil.

The Turning Point

• Intervention and Rehabilitation: Friends and family stage an intervention, leading Rhys to a rehab facility in Cape Town.
• Initial Recovery: The transformative impact of rehab and the beginning of Rhys' journey towards healing and self-discovery.

Embracing Change and Finding Purpose

• Mental Health Advocacy: Founding the "Tidy Butt" mental health and well-being charity.
• Breathwork: Discovering the power of breathwork and its role in his recovery.
• Coaching and Speaking: Transitioning to a role as a coach and motivational speaker, sharing his story to inspire others.

Reflections on Transformation

• Lessons Learned: Rhys discusses the importance of vulnerability, community, and self-acceptance in his journey.
• Ongoing Challenges: Preparing for a potential heart transplant and the continuous process of personal growth.

Future Plans

• Upcoming Projects: Details about Rhys' charity work, breathwork sessions, and future retreats.
• Moving Forward: Rhys' aspirations and plans to continue making a positive impact in the world.

Conclusion

• Final Thoughts: Rhys' closing remarks on resilience, hope, and the possibility of change.
• Contact Information: How listeners can connect with Rhys and learn more about his work.

Key Quotes from Rhys Thomas

• "The heart attack was a pivotal moment that forced me to re-evaluate my life and ultimately led me to a path of healing and purpose."
• "It's okay to be vulnerable. It's okay to ask for help. That's where true strength lies."
• "Breathwork has been a game-changer for me, helping me reconnect with myself and find peace amidst the chaos."

Resources and Links

• Rhys Thomas' Website
• Follow Rhys on Instagram: @RealRhysThomas
• Mental Health Charity: Tidy Butt

Craig interviews Stevie Ward, former professional rugby league player and youngest captain of Leeds Rhinos. Stevie shares his transformative journey from the heights of a successful rugby career to the challenges of early retirement due to a brain injury. He opens up about the struggles of coping with physical and mental health issues, finding new purpose through his men's health organisation, Mantality, and the ongoing process of self-discovery and healing. Join us as Stevie discusses the importance of vulnerability, acceptance, and authenticity in navigating life's toughest transitions.

Show notes

Introduction

• Craig White welcomes listeners and introduces Stevie Ward, former professional rugby player, youngest captain of Leeds Rhinos, founder of Mantality.

Stevie's Rugby Career

• Early Passion for Rugby: Discovering rugby at age six and quickly excelling.
• Career Highlights: Winning the Grand Final at 18, becoming the youngest captain of Leeds Rhinos.
• Injuries and Challenges: Coping with multiple injuries, including shoulder and knee surgeries.

The Turning Point

• Severe Brain Injury: The brain injury that led to his early retirement at age 26.
• Mental Health Struggles: Dealing with depression, anxiety, and the loss of his rugby career.

Founding Mantality

• Purpose and Mission: Establishing Mantality to support men's mental health and well-being.
• Impact: How Mantality has helped Stevie and others in their mental health journeys.

Life After Rugby

• Public Speaking: Transitioning to a career in public speaking and sharing his story.
• Acceptance and Healing: Embracing uncertainty and practicing gratitude and self-compassion.
• Reparenting and Inner Child Work: Using meditation and other techniques to heal and grow.

Key Insights and Advice

• Authenticity: The importance of being true to oneself and embracing vulnerability.
• Fear and Resilience: Facing fear head-on and using it as a source of strength.
• Community and Connection: Building a supportive network and fostering meaningful relationships.

Future Plans

• Upcoming Projects: Stevie's interest in combining sport and art, and potential opportunities in TV and film.
• Ongoing Mission: Continuing to advocate for mental health and inspire others through his work.

Conclusion

• Final Thoughts: Stevie's closing remarks on self-acceptance, resilience, and the power of authenticity.
• Contact Information: How listeners can connect with Stevie Ward and learn more about Mantality.

Key Quotes from Stevie Ward

• "What you are is more than enough. Just be yourself."
• "It's tough to feel, but real toughness is creating enough safety in yourself to allow yourself to feel."
• "I've learned to be okay with not knowing and to find gratitude in the present moment."

Resources and Links

• Mantality Website: Mantality
• Follow Stevie Ward on LinkedIn: Stevie Ward
• Instagram: @ste_ward
• Twitter: @ste_ward

In this special episode, the tables are turned as Craig is the one being interviewed, by his co-pilot and guest from Episode 3, Martin Bone. Craig talks about his early influences and experiences in professional rugby, right through to his profound awakening through yoga and meditation. He discusses the importance of emotional intelligence, authentic leadership, and the ongoing process of personal growth. 

Show notes

Early Influences and Background

• Childhood and Family: The significant influence of Craig's parents on his early understanding of leadership.
• School and Sports: Early leadership experiences in sports, including rugby and the influence of various PE teachers and coaches.

Professional Rugby Career

• Transition to Coaching: Craig's journey from aspiring professional rugby player to successful rugby coach.
• Significant Achievements: Coaching experiences with Wasps, Leicester Tigers, the Welsh rugby team, and the British Lions.

Turning Point and Self-Discovery

• Yoga Retreat in Thailand: Craig's life-changing experience at a month-long yoga retreat, leading to a profound personal awakening.
• Shift in Perspective: The realization that he needed to explore beyond professional success and delve into self-awareness and personal growth.

Evolution of Leadership Style

• Early Leadership Style: Craig's initial approach as an alpha male leader, focusing on command and control.
• Transformation: Embracing a more compassionate, emotionally intelligent leadership style through various personal development practices.

Key Components of Modern Leadership

• Emotional Intelligence: The importance of understanding and managing one's emotions to lead effectively.
• Authenticity and Vulnerability: Leading by being true to oneself and showing vulnerability as a strength.
• Win-Win Philosophy: Creating mutually beneficial relationships and ensuring both parties thrive.

Personal and Professional Growth

• Ongoing Learning: Craig's commitment to continuous personal development through various practices and courses.

Reflections and Advice

• Communication and Connection: The role of effective communication in building trust and connection within teams.
• Balance and Boundaries: The importance of setting boundaries and maintaining a healthy work-life balance.
• Mentorship and Influence: The value of mentorship and the impact of being both a teacher and a student.

Key Quotes from Craig White

• "You cannot become what you can't see. Role modelling is crucial in leadership."
• "The most important component of leadership is being attuned, truly present with your team or client."
• "To lead others, you must first lead yourself. Self-awareness is the foundation of effective leadership."

Resources and Links

• Craig White's Website: Craig White Mentoring
• Follow Craig White on Instagram: @CraigWhiteMentoring
• Follow Craig White on LinkedIn: Craig White

Craig chats to Martin Bone, a renowned meditation coach and yoga instructor from Liverpool. Martin shares his transformative journey from a tennis coach to a meditation guru, detailing his experiences in Thailand and Mexico, his deep connection to yoga, and the creation of his successful meditation practice in Liverpool. Join us as Martin discusses the importance of presence, the power of group meditation, and the profound impact of mindfulness on mental health and overall wellbeing.

Show notes

Introduction

• Craig White welcomes listeners and introduces Martin Bone, a meditation coach and yoga instructor from Liverpool.

Martin's Early Life and Career

• Background: Martin's early passion for tennis and career as a tennis coach.
• Initial Interest in Meditation: The beginnings of Martin's interest in meditation and spirituality in his mid-20s.

Transformative Experiences

• Thailand Journey: Martin's four-month stay in Thailand, including a silent retreat with monks in Chiang Mai.
• Mexico Training: An intensive three-month meditation teacher training program in Mexico, facilitated by Craig White.

Establishing a Meditation Practice

• Return to Liverpool: Martin's decision to teach meditation in Liverpool and the creation of his meditation courses.
• Course Development: Designing a ten-hour meditation course for life, emphasising classical methods and practical application.

The Impact of Meditation

• Group Dynamics: The importance of group meditation and the shared experiences within the group.
• Direct Experience: How personal and direct experiences with meditation transformed Martin's teaching approach.
• COVID-19 and Beyond: Continuing to teach during the pandemic and adapting to new challenges.

Key Insights and Teachings

• Misconceptions about Meditation: Addressing common misconceptions, such as the idea that meditation is about clearing the mind.
• Practical Tips: Creating space and time for meditation, committing to a daily practice, and starting with manageable goals.
• Simplifying Meditation: Making meditation accessible and relatable to everyone, regardless of their background.

Future Plans

• Upcoming Projects: Martin's plans for travel, expanding his teaching methods, and developing new courses.
• Personal Goals: Deepening his role as a father and partner, and exploring new business and personal growth opportunities.

Key Quotes from Martin Bone

• "Meditation is about reclaiming attention and learning how to manage the mind."
• "Creating space and committing to a practice can be groundbreaking. It’s all about consistency and dedication."
• "The group dynamic in meditation is paramount. It creates a shared container of growth and connection."

Resources and Links

• Martin Bone's Website: Martin Bone Meditation
• Follow Martin on Instagram: @MartinBoneMeditation

In this episode, I sit down with Chris Brown, a professional coach and devoted father. Chris shares his incredible journey of personal transformation and the deep impact it has had on his relationships. From overcoming the challenges of separation to redefining what it means to be a present and loving partner and father, Chris's story is a testament to the power of self-awareness, therapy, and the importance of male friendships. Tune in to explore themes of vulnerability, intimacy, and the continuous journey toward personal and relational growth.

Show notes

Introduction:

• Craig White introduces Chris Brown, highlighting his achievements and their shared history.

Early Challenges and Separation:

• Chris recounts the struggles he faced leading to his separation from his family.
• He reflects on his misplaced priorities, focusing too much on work and not enough on emotional presence.

Path to Transformation:

• Chris delves into his journey over the past four years, emphasising the importance of self-development.
• Key resources that helped Chris: "The Masculine in Relationship" by G.S. Youngblood, and "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover.

Therapeutic and Embodiment Practices:

• Chris discusses the transformative power of therapy and embodiment practices.
• He shares personal experiences from breathwork, men's retreats, and working with embodiment coaches like John Wineland.

Intimacy and Vulnerability:

• The conversation explores the concept of intimacy beyond sexuality.
• Chris emphasises the importance of presence and emotional attunement in relationships.

Lessons in Fatherhood:

• Chris talks about his journey as a father, balancing emotional openness with guiding his children's strength.
• He shares insights on nurturing emotional intelligence in his children.

Building Strong Male Relationships:

• The significance of male friendships and supportive men's groups in Chris's transformation.
• Practical advice for men seeking to create or join such groups to foster personal growth.

Final Thoughts and Future Aspirations:

• Chris reflects on his ongoing commitment to personal and relational growth.
• He shares his vision of continuing to help men through his evolving journey and experiences.

Conclusion:

• Craig and Chris wrap up the episode with reflections on the conversation and its broader implications.
• Craig thanks Chris for his honesty and courage in sharing his story, and they look forward to future discussions and continued growth.

Episode description

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Liam Hennessy, a pioneer in sports performance and coach education, and the founder of Setanta College. Liam shares his transformative journey through the highs and lows of life, including his influential role in the development of Irish rugby and his personal battle with cancer. We dive deep into the power of relationships, the art of transformation, and the profound lessons learned from life's challenges.

Show notes

Introduction:

• Craig White introduces Dr. Liam Hennessy, highlighting his contributions to sports performance and Irish rugby.

Career and Vision in Irish Rugby:

• Liam reflects on his long-term vision for Irish rugby and its evolution over the years.
• Discussion on the development pathways and the importance of investing in grassroots programs for sustained success.
• The challenges and successes of implementing a top-down, bottom-up approach in rugby development.

Personal Transformation through Illness:

• Liam opens up about his cancer diagnosis in 2009 and the subsequent journey of treatment and recovery.
• Insights into how this experience reshaped his outlook on life and his approach to personal and professional challenges.

Turning Pain into Purpose:

• Exploring the concept of turning crises into blessings and finding purpose through adversity.
• How Liam’s experiences with illness have deepened his understanding of life and strengthened his relationships.

The Role of Education and Coaching:

• The significance of education in sports and the creation of pathways for coaches and players.
• Liam's work with Setanta College and the impact of continuous learning and adaptation in coaching.

Movement Efficiency and Athletic Development:

• Discussion on the importance of movement efficiency in athletic performance.
• The link between foundational movement skills and long-term player development.

Spiritual Growth and Mindfulness:

• Liam shares how his journey with cancer has influenced his spiritual growth and connection to mindfulness.
• The importance of going with the flow and embracing the present moment.

Reflections on Life and Legacy:

• Liam’s thoughts on legacy, life after rugby, and the ongoing journey of self-discovery.
• The role of gratitude and positivity in navigating life’s challenges.

In this episode, I sit down with Antonio Vizintin, one of the 16 survivors of the 1972 Andes plane crash. 

Antonio, also known as "Tintin," shares his harrowing journey of survival over 72 days in one of the world’s most unforgiving environments. From being a 19-year-old rugby player on a flight to Chile to enduring unimaginable conditions in the Andes, Antonio’s story is one of resilience, transformation, and teamwork. 

He discusses the critical role rugby played in his survival, the tough decisions the group had to make, and how the ordeal shaped his life and perspective. Antonio’s reflections offer a powerful lesson in human endurance, the strength of unity, and the will to live.

Show Notes:

• The Crash and Initial Survival: Antonio recounts the chaos immediately following the crash and how the rugby captain’s leadership helped them focus and make critical decisions.
• The Role of Rugby Values: Antonio explains how the values learned from rugby, such as discipline, sacrifice, and teamwork, were key to their survival.
• Facing Hard Decisions: The group’s decision to resort to cannibalism and how they navigated the psychological and moral challenges of the situation.
• Surviving the Avalanche: Antonio shares the terrifying experience of an avalanche that buried the survivors and took more lives, forcing the group to reorganize leadership and survival strategies.
• Expeditions to Find Help: Details of the expeditions led by Antonio, Nando, and Roberto to find a way out, eventually leading to their rescue after an incredible 10-day journey.
• The Emotional Impact of Survival: Antonio reflects on how the experience changed his perspective on life, deepened his connections with loved ones, and taught him the importance of expressing emotions.
• Post-Rescue Reflections: The overwhelming global attention the survivors received and the life lessons Antonio took away from the experience.
• Antonio’s Message on Human Strength: How the tragedy revealed the incredible strength of the human spirit and the power of unity in the face of adversity.

I sit down with Rugby League icon Sean Long to talk about his incredible journey from signing with Wigan at just 15 years old to becoming one of the most respected players in the game. 

But his path wasn't always smooth. Sean opens up about the intense highs of winning championships and the crushing lows of injuries, struggles with mental health, and the challenges he faced post-retirement. 

This is a raw and honest conversation about resilience, authenticity, and the power of staying true to oneself, no matter the obstacles.

I sit down with Dr. Keith Witt, a licensed psychologist, teacher, and author with over 75,000 therapy sessions and eight published books. Dr. Witt, an expert in love, relationships, and personal development, unpacks what it means to be a man in today’s world. The discussion delves into self-love, the hero’s journey, and the transformative power of intimate relationships. Dr. Witt weaves together neuroscience, Integral theory, and wisdom from various forms of psychotherapy to offer practical insights and profound truths about the modern man’s path to emotional and psychological fulfillment. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about masculinity, emotional intelligence, and the importance of leading with an open heart.

Show Notes

Craig White introduces Dr. Keith Witt, emphasising his deep experience as a psychologist, teacher, and author of books like Loving Completely and Shadow Light.

Defining Modern Masculinity:

• Dr. Witt explores the changing definition of what it means to be a man in today's world.
• The conversation touches on societal expectations versus the inner emotional world of men.

The Hero’s Journey:

• Dr. Witt explains how the hero’s journey is relevant to the emotional and personal development of men.
• He emphasizes the importance of self-discovery and personal transformation as core components of this journey.

Self-Love as a Foundation for Success:

• The discussion moves to self-love, highlighting how vital it is for men to cultivate a strong, loving relationship with themselves.
• Dr. Witt discusses how self-love influences leadership and personal relationships.

The Power of Intimate Relationships:

• Dr. Witt explains how intimacy is a key area where men can experience profound transformation.
• He shares stories and insights on how being in deep, meaningful relationships helps men to grow emotionally and spiritually.

Embracing Emotional Range:

• Dr. Witt and Craig talk about the importance of embracing a broad emotional range, from vulnerability to strength.
• They share insights on how men can better navigate their emotions to lead fulfilling lives.

Shame and Growth:

• Dr. Witt dives into the role of shame in personal growth, explaining how confronting it leads to deeper understanding and healing.

Building Lasting Connections:

• The episode discusses practical tools men can use to foster strong, intimate connections with others.
• Dr. Witt emphasizes the importance of being present in relationships, both with loved ones and within the self.

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I interview Dr. Robert Masters, an acclaimed integral psychotherapist, psycho-spiritual guide, and author. Together, we explore the path to emotional embodiment and what it means to truly embrace all parts of ourselves, including the shadowy aspects we often avoid. Dr. Robert brings decades of experience to a conversation rich with insights about emotional intimacy, shadow work, the role of anger in masculinity, and the journey toward self-acceptance. From the warrior archetype to addiction, intimacy, and spirituality, this episode is a deep dive into becoming fully intimate with all that we are.

Show Notes:

Facing Early Life Conditioning and Personal Struggles:

• • Dr. Masters reflects on his personal experiences with shame, anger, and the emotional wounds that shaped his early life.
  • Craig and Robert discuss how facing these shadow aspects is key to understanding one’s true self and emotional landscape.
• The Power of Emotional Intimacy:
  • Dr. Masters emphasizes the importance of becoming intimate with not just others but with all parts of ourselves—our joys, pains, and fears.
  • He shares techniques for approaching our emotional worlds with openness and compassion, stressing the need for men to embrace vulnerability.
• The Warrior Archetype and Healthy Anger:
  • The conversation explores the difference between healthy anger and destructive aggression.
  • Dr. Masters delves into the warrior archetype and how connecting with this energy allows men to set healthy boundaries while remaining emotionally attuned.
• Addiction, Pornography, and Emotional Pain:
  • Dr. Masters talks about addiction, particularly around pornography, and how it often stems from unresolved emotional wounds and a lack of true intimacy.
  • Practical advice is offered for men seeking to break free from compulsive behaviors and move towards deeper emotional connection.
• Developing Emotional Literacy:
  • Craig and Robert discuss the importance of men becoming more emotionally literate—learning to understand and express their emotions constructively.
  • They explore how emotional literacy can improve relationships, especially intimate ones, and lead to more fulfilling lives.
• Spirituality and Embracing the Shadow:
  • Dr. Masters shares the value of spirituality that embraces all aspects of the human experience, including our darker, shadowy parts.
  • They discuss spiritual bypassing and the need for grounded, embodied spiritual practices that help us stay connected to our full selves.
• Final Thoughts and Upcoming Work:
  • Dr. Masters previews his future projects, including work focused on elderhood and ongoing men’s emotional development.
  • Craig and Robert wrap up with reflections on the ongoing journey of self-awareness, emotional intimacy, and shadow integration.

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I sit down with Pat Divilly, an author, speaker, and expert in breathwork and shadow work. Together, we dive deep into what it means to navigate change in today's world and the importance of embracing your shadow self. From personal struggles to professional transformations, Pat shares his journey of moving beyond limiting beliefs, stepping out of societal boxes, and learning to live with authenticity and freedom. We explore themes of fear, vulnerability, and what it takes for men to truly grow.

Show Notes:

• Navigating Change:
  • Pat shares his thoughts on the inevitability of change and how it's a constant part of life.
  • The importance of balancing the desire for stability with the need for growth.
• Authenticity and Shadow Work:
  • Pat explains the concept of shadow work: acknowledging the parts of ourselves we hide or suppress.
  • How embracing your shadow can lead to more authentic living and deeper self-awareness.
• Personal Growth and Transformation:
  • Pat reflects on his journey from personal trainer to breathwork facilitator and author.
  • He shares how overcoming his own insecurities and internal struggles helped him embrace his true self.
• Tools for Change:
  • The importance of having anchors in life, such as supportive people, environments, and healthy habits.
  • How the hero’s journey metaphor can help frame personal transformation.
• Fear and Vulnerability:
  • Pat discusses how fear is often a catalyst for change and why embracing it is key to growth.
  • He shares the story of a client who faced his fear and transformed both in life and love.
• Final Thoughts:
  • Pat encourages listeners to embrace discomfort and uncertainty as part of their personal evolution.
  • Craig and Pat close the episode with a reflection on the importance of self-inquiry and support in navigating change.

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In this episode the tables turn as guest Chris Brown steps into the interviewer’s seat to ask me the hard-hitting questions about life, purpose, and leadership. 

Kicking off with a powerful opener, Chris asks: “How do you stay strong and resilient in today’s world while staying true to yourself?” 

From there, we explore what it means to live authentically as men in a world full of expectations. I reveal the pivotal moments in my life, my personal battles, and how redefining my purpose brought me closer to a fulfilling, intentional life. 

Introduction:

• Chris Brown returns to the podcast, this time taking the reins as he interviews me about my journey and philosophy.

Resilience and Staying True to Oneself:

• I respond to Chris’s opening question on resilience, sharing how he has managed to stay grounded amidst life’s pressures.
• Insights into my personal story of growth and the milestones that shaped my outlook on life and masculinity.

Redefining Leadership and Purpose:

• The conversation moves into my take on authentic leadership and what it means to lead with purpose.
• We discuss the importance of moving away from external validation and focusing on what truly matters.

Balancing Vulnerability and Strength:

• I open up about the balance between vulnerability and strength in personal and professional relationships.
• How my experiences helped him redefine my approach to connection and leadership.

Creating Authentic Connections and Brotherhood:

• The role of male friendships and the significance of support networks in fostering personal growth and resilience.
• Tips on how to build authentic connections with other men who share similar values.

In this episode, I sit down with Traver Boehm, author, speaker, and founder of the Man Uncivilized movement. Traver’s work has been a beacon for men seeking to reclaim their authentic selves in a world that often stifles true masculinity.

Together, we explore why men need men—why male connection and community are essential not just for personal growth but for creating a life of purpose, power, and connection. From redefining vulnerability to tackling shame and isolation head-on, this episode is a raw, honest, and impactful conversation for anyone ready to step into their full potential.

Show Notes

The Importance of Male Connection

• Traver explains why men thrive in environments of brotherhood and shared purpose.
• The risks of isolation in modern life and how it impacts mental, emotional, and relational health.

Redefining Vulnerability

• Vulnerability is reframed as strength, not weakness, and a gateway to deeper relationships and personal growth.
• Traver shares stories of men who found transformation by embracing openness and honesty with others.

Understanding and Healing Shame

• A deep dive into the role shame plays in holding men back from their true power.
• Practical steps for identifying and overcoming shame through shared experiences and self-compassion.

The Role of Pain in Transformation

• Why pain is often the catalyst for growth and how to use it as a tool for self-discovery.
• Traver shares his personal journey of loss and how it propelled him to create the Man Uncivilized movement.

Men and Emotional Freedom

• Why men struggle with expressing emotions and the consequences of emotional repression.
• Tools and practices Traver uses to help men unlock emotional freedom and live more balanced lives.

The Power of Brotherhood

• Real-life examples of how a strong male community can provide accountability, growth, and support.
• Traver discusses why men need other men to challenge them, hold space, and celebrate their wins.

Practical Steps for Men Ready to Transform

• How to build meaningful connections with other men.
• Simple practices to integrate emotional awareness and authentic leadership into daily life.

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In this episode of Dare to Be Different, I sit down with Piers Cross - author, filmmaker, and leadership coach specialising in trauma and peak performance.

Together, we explore a question that cuts to the heart of leadership today: Are our leaders carrying unresolved trauma, and how does it impact their ability to lead?

Piers shares powerful insights into the emotional wounds many leaders carry, particularly those shaped by environments like boarding schools. This conversation dives deep into how unhealed trauma manifests in leadership, from disconnection to unhealthy power dynamics, and offers tools for cultivating authentic leadership through self-awareness and healing.

This isn’t just a discussion about leaders in boardrooms, it’s about all of us stepping into leadership roles in our own lives, workplaces, and families.

The Hidden Trauma of Leaders

• How childhood experiences, especially in boarding schools, create emotional patterns that carry into adulthood.
• Why unresolved trauma leads to disconnection, poor decision-making, and struggles with vulnerability.

The Importance of Vulnerability

• Redefining vulnerability as strength in leadership and how it fosters deeper connection and trust.
• Piers explains how leaders can embrace vulnerability to improve relationships at work and home.

Breaking the Cycle of Trauma

• Understanding the link between trauma, self-awareness, and authentic leadership.
• Piers shares practices to help leaders identify and heal emotional wounds that hinder their potential.

The Role of Self-Reflection

• How leaders can pause, reflect, and move beyond their past to redefine their purpose and impact.
• Tools for developing emotional intelligence and creating a leadership style rooted in authenticity.

Practical Advice for Evolving as a Leader

• Strategies for building emotional resilience and fostering meaningful connections.
• Why joining men’s circles, seeking therapy, or engaging in reflective practices can lead to profound growth.

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In the season finale of Dare to Be Different, I look back at the best moments from 2024 - a collection of powerful stories, raw truths, and deep transformations from the men who joined me this year.

Matty Peet
Matty shares his experience leading Wigan Warriors, redefining leadership, and balancing the demands of professional coaching with authenticity and self-awareness.

Andrew Jenkins
Andrew reflects on completing The Big Trek—1,200km across four nations—raising awareness for brain injury while sharing his powerful story of recovery, grit, and determination.

Martin Bone
Martin takes us through his personal journey of loss and healing, exploring how breathwork and movement helped him reconnect with purpose and clarity.

Rhys Thomas
Rhys shares his life-altering experience of a heart attack at 29, reflecting on how it transformed his outlook on health, life, and leadership.

Stevie Ward
Stevie talks openly about transitioning out of professional rugby due to injury, grappling with identity, and finding meaning beyond the sport.

Antonio Vizintin
Antonio shares the extraordinary story of surviving the 1972 Andes plane crash—facing unthinkable decisions and how that shaped his perspective on life, survival, and resilience.

Sean Long
Sean opens up about his struggles with mental health, addiction, and rebuilding his life, offering a raw, honest account of transformation.

Piers Cross
Piers explores how childhood trauma—particularly boarding school experiences—impacts leaders’ ability to connect, empathise, and lead authentically.

Keith Witt
Keith dives deep into relationships, emotional intelligence, and the importance of cultivating awareness to unlock our potential.

Robert Masters
Robert discusses the power of shadow work, emotional intimacy, and embracing all parts of ourselves to achieve true transformation.

Liam Hennessy
Liam shares wisdom on balance, physical health, and longevity, reminding us that sustainable leadership begins with our own well-being.

Chris Brown
Chris reflects on his journey with mental health and resilience, unpacking the tools that helped him face personal and professional challenges.

Pat Divilly
Pat talks about emotional vulnerability, self-connection, and his journey to help men create deeper, more meaningful lives.

Traver Boehm
Traver dives into the importance of brotherhood, the power of connection, and why men need other men to thrive in today’s world.

I sit down with Martin Offiah, rugby league legend and cultural icon, to explore his journey from a young boy in Hackney to becoming one of the greatest try-scorers in the history of the sport. 

In this deeply personal conversation, Martin reflects on the mentors who shaped his career, the challenges of breaking barriers, and the lessons he’s learned about resilience and self-belief. From his rugby triumphs to his advocacy for sustainability and electric vehicles, Martin shares his powerful story of transformation and greatness. 

This is an episode for anyone who wants to learn how to turn adversity into fuel for success.

Show Notes

Martin’s Journey

• Growing up in Hackney and discovering rugby as an outlet for his energy and ambition
• The transition from rugby union to rugby league and becoming one of the sport’s most iconic players
• Reflections on the pivotal moments, including his legendary try at Wembley.

Themes of Greatness

• The coaches and mentors who believed in him and taught him the value of star power
• How Martin learned to embrace his achievements without fear of judgment.

Challenges and Resilience

• Overcoming racism and other challenges as a Black athlete in a predominantly white sport
• Lessons learned from tough times on and off the pitch.

Life Beyond Rugby

• Martin’s passion for sustainability and his work in promoting electric vehicles
• Reflections on being immortalised in a statue outside Wembley and what it means to inspire the next generation.

Insights and Advice

• How mentors, teammates, and family shaped his journey
• Lessons from rugby and life on staying authentic and resilient.

In this episode, I sit down with Cody Royle, a coach to elite head coaches in professional sports and author of three impactful books, including the Amazon bestseller The Tough Stuff. 

Cody shares his journey from coaching Australia’s national Aussie Rules team to mentoring some of the top leaders in soccer, basketball, rugby, and beyond. Together, they explore the emotional toll of leadership, the power of self-awareness, and the profound impact of integrating personal growth into coaching. 

Show Notes

Cody’s Journey:

• From playing Aussie Rules football to becoming a coach at 22
• Transitioning from coaching Canada’s national team to writing The Tough Stuff
• The pivotal moments that led Cody to focus on supporting head coaches.

The Challenges of Head Coaching

• The increasing complexity of managing multi-billion-dollar sports organisations
• Balancing personal growth with professional demands
• Common struggles faced by head coaches, including pressure, identity, and maintaining perspective.

The Role of Personal Growth: 

• Why self-awareness is at the core of effective coaching
• Cody’s approach to coaching head coaches: attunement, presence, and refining existing strengths
• The importance of integrating family life and personal practices into professional pursuits.

Key Themes and Insights:

• The emotional toll of leadership and how to navigate it
• Bridging the gap between elite performance and personal well-being
• How Cody’s work is helping to shape a new generation of self-aware, emotionally intelligent coaches.

Matty Peet is back. After a phenomenal few years leading Wigan Rugby League to unprecedented success, I sit down with him to reflect on the highs, the challenges, and what it really takes to lead at the highest level.

From winning every available trophy to managing the relentless demands of elite coaching, Matty shares the lessons he’s learned—not just about rugby, but about leadership, resilience, and personal growth. He opens up about the pressures of expectation, the importance of connection, and why he believes every coach needs a coach.

This episode isn’t just about sport. It’s about leadership, self-awareness, and the mindset required to sustain success. 

Show Notes

Reflections on Leadership & Growth

• What’s changed for Matty over the past three years as Wigan’s head coach
• The doubts and criticism he faced when he first took the job—and how he silenced them
• The biggest lessons in resilience and leadership from elite sport.

The Power of Connection

• Why connection is the foundation of Wigan’s success
• The impact of fostering a deep bond with players beyond just performance
• How Matty balances the demands of coaching with being present for his family.

Coaching & Personal Growth

• How self-awareness has transformed Matty as a leader
• The importance of having mentors and coaches at every level of leadership
• Why vulnerability in leadership isn’t a weakness, it’s a superpower.

Looking Ahead: The Next Chapter for Wigan

• How Wigan is preparing for the next season with the same squad
• The importance of evolution vs. revolution in sustaining success
• Matty’s focus on innovation, creativity, and maintaining a high-performance culture.

Lessons for Leaders Everywhere

• Why every leader, whether in sport or business, needs a support system
• The importance of adaptability, emotional intelligence, and leading by example
• The role of personal development in becoming a better coach, father, and man.

This episode isn’t just about leadership—it’s about self-awareness, emotional mastery, and the deeper work men need to do to lead with confidence and integrity.

In this conversation, I sit down with Rod Boothroyd, who has spent over two decades working with men, helping them uncover what’s holding them back and step into their full leadership potential. 

We dive deep into the reasons why so many men struggle with leadership—whether in their careers, relationships, or personal lives.

Rod shares his insights from psychotherapy, shadow work, and men’s development, unpacking why modern leadership feels so disconnected, hesitant, or misdirected—and what men can do to reclaim their inner power.

Show Notes

The Root of Leadership Struggles

• Why so many men feel lost when it comes to leadership
• The role of absent fathers and childhood wounds in shaping a man’s confidence
• How modern society has disconnected men from true leadership

Reclaiming the King Energy

• The four archetypes—King, Warrior, Magician, Lover—and why men struggle to embody them
• The difference between real power and control
• How a man’s ability to process emotions directly impacts his leadership

The Hidden Cost of Unprocessed Grief

• Why so many men struggle to feel joy and fulfillment
• How suppressed grief and loss block leadership potential
• The essential role of emotional intelligence in strong leadership

Practical Steps to Step Into Leadership

• How to develop self-leadership and move from hesitation to confidence
• The power of mentorship—why every man needs a guide
• The impact of men’s groups, accountability, and long-term personal growth

Most men spend their lives in their heads: overthinking, overanalysing, and second-guessing. But true leadership, confidence, and resilience don’t start in the mind, they start in the body.

In this episode, I sit down with Mark Walsh, one of the world’s leading embodiment coaches, to explore why so many men feel disconnected from their power and how reconnecting with the body can transform how they lead, train, and show up in the world.

This isn’t just theory. Mark has worked with elite professionals, trauma survivors, corporate leaders, and athletes worldwide, helping them develop embodied leadership and resilience. His insights are practical, powerful, and cut straight to the point.

Show Notes

Why Men Need to Get Out of Their Heads

• Why most men live in their heads and the impact on confidence and leadership
• The difference between thinking about change and embodying it
• How weightlifting, martial arts, and movement help men reconnect with presence

The Role of Physical Practices in Mental Resilience

• How gym training can be a sacred practice for focus and discipline
• Why men need challenge, struggle, and physical adversity to grow
• The connection between breath, posture, and emotional state

Breaking Free from Overthinking and Insecurity

• The science of embodiment - how your body shapes your mindset
• Why men struggle with boundaries, people-pleasing, and saying no
• Practical techniques to build presence and confidence in daily life

The Bigger Picture: Why Society is Failing Men

• How modern culture is weakening masculinity and what men can do about it
• The importance of mentorship, challenge, and a strong peer group
• Mark’s personal journey, from addiction and nihilism to leadership and resilience

Athletes talk about it like it’s magic. That moment when everything slows down, the game feels effortless, and they’re completely in the zone.

But what if flow state wasn’t random? What if you could access it on demand?

I sit down with Scott Ford—author, coach, and a pioneer in non-dual awareness in sport. He’s spent over 40 years teaching athletes how to enter and sustain flow states intentionally, rather than just hoping it happens.

What is Flow State in Sport?

• Why athletes describe being in the zone as effortless, timeless, and automatic
• The difference between flow happening by accident vs. accessing it on demand
• The key shift in focus and awareness that changes everything

How to Train for Flow

• Why “watching the ball” might actually be limiting your reactions
• The soft focus technique that allows you to see and react faster
• How to stop overthinking and let your body’s intelligence take over

Beyond Competition: The Non-Dual Approach

• Why traditional competition is dualistic (me vs. you) and how that affects performance
• How non-dual awareness allows athletes to co-create the game with their opponents
• Why playing in flow isn’t just about winning—it’s about playing at your highest level

Practical Applications for Coaches and Athletes

• How tennis, rugby, and even Navy SEALs have applied Scott’s work
• Simple drills to train focus, presence, and reaction time
• Why flow training is the next evolution in coaching and performance

Movement is more than just physical. It’s emotional. Energetic. Transformational.

In this episode, I’m joined by my good friend and co-facilitator of the ICONIC program, Martin Bone. We explore the deeper meaning of movement and dance, not as performance, but as a powerful doorway back into the body.

For many men, especially those raised in the UK and Ireland, movement became linear - lifting weights, pushing harder, always doing. But in that, freedom, expression, and spontaneity got lost.

We talk about how reclaiming movement helped us both heal old wounds, reconnect with our emotions, and become better leaders, fathers, partners, and men.

This conversation is about breaking the stigma, getting over yourself, and remembering the body knows what to do... if you let it!

Show Notes

The Stigma Around Dance and Expression

• Why so many men freeze at the idea of dancing
• How childhood and culture taught us to suppress movement
• Craig and Martin’s early experiences with dance, shame and identity

Dance as a Doorway Back to the Body

• Movement as medicine for emotion, stress, and stuckness
• Why the body holds wisdom that the mind can’t access
• The link between dance, emotional release, and inner freedom

From Raves to Retreats

• The role of club culture and music in helping men reconnect with their bodies
• How early experiences with dance music created space for self-expression
• The transition from unconscious release to conscious embodiment

Why Movement Belongs in Men’s Work

• How the ICONIC retreat in Peru uses movement to create real transformation
• Why most men’s breakthroughs come through the body, not the mind
• Creating safe spaces where men can move, feel, express without being judged

How to Start

• Simple ways men can reconnect with movement and shake off years of stiffness
• The importance of containers, consistency, and community
• Letting go of the need to ‘know how’ and learning to trust the body again.

From the outside, Jeremy Bettle had it all — a high-profile career in elite sport, working with some of the world’s most successful athletes and organisations. But behind the scenes, he was running on empty.

In this episode, Jeremy shares the quiet crisis that brought him to a breaking point, and the path he took to rebuild a life rooted in presence, truth, and vitality.

We talk about:

• The cost of performing and pushing for too long
• Why success without meaning leads to burnout
• Letting go of identity and walking into the unknown
• The medicine in movement, men’s work, and Peru
• What it means to build a life from the inside out

This is a conversation about what happens when men stop chasing and start feeling — and the freedom that follows.

The Build-up to Burnout

• Jeremy’s rise through elite sport and performance coaching
• The moment he realised success wasn’t enough
• How professional ambition can become emotional suppression

Breaking the Pattern

• The physical and emotional signals he could no longer ignore
• Walking away from what looked like a dream job
• The fear and freedom of not knowing what’s next

Reconnection and Recovery

• Why movement, breathwork and brotherhood became vital
• Insights from ICONIC and the Peru men’s retreat
• Letting go of roles, pressure, and performance

A New Way of Living

• Learning to listen to the body
• Rebuilding from purpose, not pressure
• What high performers need to hear — and unlearn