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09 Apr 2023 | Roach on US-China Couples Therapy | 00:54:23 | |
Stephen Roach is a Yale professor with extensive experience in China. He also taught the first China class I ever took, so it may be fair to say he's partially to blame for the entire ChinaTalk enterprise.
In our conversation (taped on February 23), we discuss:
The nexus between US-China relations and the DSM-5 (we need some relationship therapy!);
How false narratives strangle effective diplomatic development;
What Stephen thinks about the odds of a hot conflict over Taiwan;
Practical proposals to improve the bilateral relationship, including what a “US-China Secretariat” (based in neutral Tahiti, obviously) would look like;
Is it the US or China — or both — who fundamentally has no interest in engagement?
Apologies for my audio quality in the second half of the show.
Outro music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRM70Jw7F4M
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16 Dec 2022 | Chips: 2022 in Review | 00:47:07 | |
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Doug O'Laughlin of Fabricated Knowledge and Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis go through our most important semis stories of 2022. We get into:
Samsung and Intel's stumbles
Arm taking on Qualcomm
Risc-V's rise
The politicization of semiconductors
Outtro music: ChatGPT + PG One https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDvFGLSIU2c
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23 Sep 2024 | Autocracy, Exams and Stagnation: Imperial China's Modern Legacy | 01:15:27 | |
Yasheng Huang 黄亚生 is the author of one of the decade’s greatest books about China — The Rise and Fall of the EAST: How Exams, Autocracy, Stability, and Technology Brought China Success and Why They Might Lead to Its Decline. It’s a rich book, a product of a career of reflections, with each page delivering something novel and provocative.
In this first half of our two-part interview, we discuss…
How the imperial examination system (known as keju) shaped Chinese governance, culture, and society,
Why autocratic Chinese dynasties benefitted from a meritocratic bureaucracy,
Statistical methods for analyzing social mobility in imperial China,
How the keju system survived the Mongol conquest,
What the tradeoffs in the imperial exam system can teach us about the future economic prospects of China and Taiwan.
Co-hosting today is Ilari Mäkelä, host of the On Humans podcast.
NOTES (Courtesy of Ilari)
A Rough Timeline of Chinese history:
Pre–221 BCE: Disunity (e.g. Warring States)
221 BCE – 220: Unity (Qin & Han dynasties)
220 – 581: Disunity (“Han-Sui Interregnum”)
581 – 1911: Unity (Sui, Tang, Song, Yuan, Ming, and Qing Dynasties)
Historical figures
Emperor Wanli 萬曆帝 | Shen Kuo 沈括 (polymath) | Zhu Xi 朱熹 (classical philosopher) | Hong Xiuquan 洪秀全 (leader of the Taiping Rebellion) | Yuan Shikai 袁世凯 (military leader) | Chiang Kai-shek 蔣介石 (military leader and statesman)
Modern scholars
Ping-ti Ho 何炳棣 (historian) | Clair Yang (economist) | Joseph Needham (scientist and historian) | Daron Acemoglu | James Robinson
Historical terms
Keju civil service exams | Taiping Rebellion
REFERENCES
A lot of the original data discussed in the episode is original from Huang’s book. As an exception, Huang references his co-authored article on civil service exams and imperial stability, written with Clair Yang.
Outtro music: 等着你回来 by 白光, a 1930s Shanghai starlet https://open.spotify.com/track/0aHMT9dIdPDz094fc37Xq0?si=d1591ff2339d421c
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14 Feb 2024 | Pottinger on Trump 2.0 | 00:54:23 | |
Matt Pottinger reported for years out of China, served as a US Marine Corps intelligence officer in Iraq and Afghanistan, and held several senior roles on Trump's NSC , concluding his time in the White House as the Deputy National Security Advisor.
Today, Matt chairs the China Program at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.
In this interview, we discuss:
How Matt expects a second Trump administration’s China policy might develop.
Why Trump is leaning more into strategic ambiguity than Biden, what that means for deterrence, and how that impacts the likelihood of him standing by were the PRC to invade Taiwan.
Why bipartisan support for the US-China trade war will continue to shape the contours of great-power conflict.
Matt’s look at the origins and political fallout of COVID-19.
Plus, reflections on Mike Flynn and how Trump ran his NSC.
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04 Aug 2023 | Culture Month! Indie Chinese Music Hour with Concrete Avalanche | 00:54:01 | |
This August, ChinaTalk is going to take a bit of a break from our usual routine of tech and politics coverage to spend some time with Chinese culture! Starting us off is Jake Newby of the Concrete Avalanche substack who will be taking us through a radio hour of some of the most interesting independent music coming out of China.
Here's the playlist:
Intro music: Voision Xi - 'Too Late to Complain' from Five Loops in Her Way. More on that EP here; listen to Voision's jazz record Lost For Words here.
1. Voision Xi - 'Catch the Train' from Eating Music's Running With Friends. More on that compilation here.
2. Vii M - 'Man O' War (Cocoonics remix)' from The Other Side of Sublunary (The Remixes). More on Vii M and Sublunary here.
3. Lygort Trio - '藏身之处' from Lygort Trio. More on them here.
4. Hualun - 'Cities of the Red Night' from Tempus. More on Tempus here.
5. Zhou Shijue - '幸福来的这么自然‘ from 应运而生. More on his record with J-Fever and Eddie Beatz here.
6. 33EMYBW - 'The Unheard Southern Mountains' from Long May the Water Flow. More on that compilation here.
7. Li Daiguo - '小精灵幼儿园放学' from 吥哔呢未来音:奇幻童年.
8. Zhaoze - 'Stand in Wind' from No Answer Blowin' in the Wind. More on that album here.
9. Ὁπλίτης - 'Ὁ τῶν τραυμάτων ἄγγελος' from Τρωθησομένη. More on Hoplites here.
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22 Oct 2020 | What Does US-China Corruption Really Look Like? Also, iFlyTek | 00:20:24 | |
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Mara Hvistendahl is a staff writer at The Intercept. In this bitesize edition of ChinaTalk, we discuss pieces of hers on the US Ambassador to China's son and ZTE (The Intercept) and AI voice recognition giant iFlyTek (Wired).
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16 Nov 2020 | Biden's Foreign Policy | 00:42:48 | |
What will a Biden administration foreign policy look like? What’s going to happen on tech and trade? How will debates within the democratic party on what to do about china shake out? Where will congress be on the issue? How will Biden the man impact foreign policy?
To discuss, we have on the person who has taught me most about American politics, David F. Gordon, currently a senior advisor at IISS. Previously, he was my boss at the Eurasia Group, served as the director of policy planning under Condoleezza Rice at the State Department, acting chairman of the National Intelligence Council, among many other positions in a multi-decade career in the IC.
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23 Apr 2020 | Coronastories 2: Philippines, Russia, Taiwan | 00:46:54 | |
We're continuing our Coronastories series this week with personal reflections and analysis from friends of ChinaTalk on the current situations in the Philippines, Russia, and Taiwan.
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11 May 2021 | Elon Musk, TSMC, Open Source, Endless Frontier and Zhang Yiming | 00:50:01 | |
Kevin Xu of the fantastic Interconnected newsletter, and formerly of Commerce and the Obama White House, ran through a grab bag of some of the hottest topics in US-China tech.
We got into the politics of Tesla in China, what Morris Chang of TSMC thinks about the future of the semiconductor industry, how open source is key to the future of American industrial policy, why the Endless Frontier Act (which I wrote about in the most recent edition of the ChinaTalk newsletter) is the most important bill you've never heard of, and why Bytedance's Zhang Yiming deserves his own biopic.
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03 Apr 2020 | How the Party Takes its Propaganda Global | 00:53:30 | |
What are the CCP's international propaganda goals? How is it faring in the battle to define COVID-19's winners and losers? Matt Schrader of the German Marshall Fund's Alliance for Securing Democracy brings the mirth in these dark times. We also go into tech and discrimination, stories from time working at China Daily and SmartAir, as well as Matt's favorite Overwatch characters.
The audio gets better in the second half I promise.
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09 Jan 2023 | Tyler Cowen on AI and China | 01:20:58 | |
Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution makes his ChinaTalk debut!
We get into:
How AI is going to change art, education, politics and human relationships
Why Tyler tried to write a book to explain America to the PRC
How babies born in 2023 will see their educations changed by AI;
Playing chess against the computer and creativity in the AI era;
Religion, American antisemitism, and the movie Her;
Writing a book about America for Chinese people;
Why China is one of the hardest countries to predict.
Outtro Music: Beethoven X, an AI-assisted version of Beethoven's unfinished 10th symphony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvj3Oblscqw
For more context: smithsonianmag.com/innovation/how-artificial-intelligence-completed-beethovens-unfinished-10th-symphony-180978753/
Image by midjourney seeded with a photo of Tyler.
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06 Sep 2023 | Why Congress Can Save Us All | 01:01:27 | |
This episode of China Talk explores the past, present, and future of Congress with AEI's Philip Wallach. We get into:
Origins of representative government trace back to medieval England, when the king consulted regional advisors – leading to development of Parliament
Founders inspired by this model when establishing Congress, wanting representation for diverse parts of young U.S.
But competing visions emerged for how Congress should work:
Madison's view: embrace factional conflict and compromise
Wilson's view: stronger centralized leadership
These tensions played out through different eras of Congress:
Early years: backlash against Hamilton’s Treasury power leads to first political party
New Deal/WWII: Congress oversees executive branch while enabling key programs
Civil rights era: Senate leaders allow extended filibuster, focus national attention, build enduring coalition
1970s reforms decentralize Congress but decrease cooperation between members over time
Under 1994 Gingrich revolution, partisan centralization becomes norm – embraced by both parties
Potential futures discussed, including a fever dream of Philip's where an immigration crisis actually prompts real lawmaking.
Outtro music: Nixon's 1972 campaign song
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28 Feb 2025 | EMERGENCY POD: Trump's Pivot to Putin, AGI + The Future of Warfare | 01:59:44 | |
Note: This episode was recorded Wednesday February 26th, two days before Zelenskyy's press conference with J.D. Vance and Trump in the White House.
Shashank Joshi (Defence Editor at The Economist) and Michael Horowitz (Biden's Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Force Development and Emerging Capabilities, now back at Penn) come on the show to discuss:
Ukraine's Chances on the Battlefield: We revisit J.D. Vance's tweet war with Shashank where he claims Ukraine is fated to lose, highlighting how war is nonlinear and dependent on political cohesion, economic strength, and defense industrial capacity beyond just manpower.
Trump's Pivot to Putin: We try to think through what Trump is doing with Ukraine and Russia at the strategic level and what the long term and second order consequences are.
AI and the Future of Warfare: We discuss of how AGI would transform warfare, with Horowitz suggesting progress will be incremental rather than revolutionary, emphasizing government adoption challenges over 0 to 1 technical breakthroughs.
"Precise Mass" in Combat: Ukrainian forces have demonstrated how AI-guided drones achieving 80%+ hit rates have changed battlefield dynamics, introducing the concept of "precise mass" - lower-cost precision systems deployed at scale across domains including air, land, and sea. See Mike's Foreign Affairs piece on the topic here: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/world/battles-precise-mass-technology-war-horowitz
Defense Innovation Challenges: Western bureaucratic processes severely impede military innovation, with Horowitz noting that reprogramming just 0.05% of the defense budget required over 40 congressional briefings, contrasting with Ukraine's wartime innovation speed and calling for acquisition reform.
Recommended Books:
Under the Nuclear Shadow by Fiona Cunningham
Army of None by Paul Scharre
Billion Dollar Spy by David Hoffman
Outtro Music:
Santigold, You'll Find a Way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IodbPh7RkBw
Vampire Weekend, Walcott: https://open.spotify.com/track/0BZY839qKXibapu4S0GYE2?si=7ecc773a95ee4d62
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11 May 2023 | Jeff Ding on US vs China AI and Lessons from Past Industrial Revolutions | 01:15:34 | |
Jeff Ding is the leading US scholar on China and AI and author of one of the earliest China-focused Substacks, ChinAI.
He recently published a fire paper called, “The diffusion deficit in scientific and technological power: re-assessing China’s rise.” It makes the argument that diffusion capacity (not just innovation capacity) is critical to economic growth — and China actually fares much worse in diffusion capacity than mainstream narratives imply.
In particular, “In cases when the emerging power has a strong innovation capacity but weak diffusion capacity (diffusion deficit), it is less likely to sustain its rise than innovation-centric assessments depict. Conversely, when the emerging power possesses a strong diffusion capacity but weak innovation capacity (diffusion surplus), it is more likely to sustain its rise than innovation-centric assessments portray.”
Mainstream narratives, meanwhile, “only compare the U.S. and China’s ability to produce new innovations, neglecting their ability to effectively use and adopt emerging technologies. By revealing the gap between China’s innovation capacity and diffusion capacity, this paper argues that innovation-centric assessments mistakenly inflate China’s S&T power.”
NYC ChinaTalk Meetup: https://partiful.com/e/taNb35oaCKjglbHHdEA1
Cohosting is Teddy Collins, formerly of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and DeepMind.
Outtro music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Y7-gm8STI
midjourney prompt: "frank quietly industrial revolution"
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10 Dec 2017 | Peter Lorentzen on the Politics of Protest in China | 00:48:47 | |
Peter Lorentzen, professor of economics at the University of San Francisco, talks protests and provincial politics. We start by discussing 'Designing Contentious Politics in Post-1989 China,' which uses game theory to analyze and explain how the CCP responds to on-the-ground protests. Next, we take on his 'Racing to the Bottom or to the Top? Decentralization, Revenue Pressures, and Governance Reform in China' and explore what actually drives municipal responses to orders from on high. Music this week by 阴三儿, 北京晚报 and 没钱没朋友. Do note that after this episode was recorded, some protests against "low-end population" removal broke out. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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06 Mar 2019 | ChinaEconTalk with special guest Russ Roberts | 00:53:53 | |
This week's guest is Russ Roberts. He's a research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and the host of the EconTalk podcast, a weekly interview-based show that’s vaguely about economics but that has, over time, evolved into an extended meditation on the human condition. Its diverse topics in the last few weeks have included Solzhenitsyn, the 2008 financial crisis, and gratitude. Even though this conversation will have little or nothing to do with China, seeing as Russ served as the inspiration for the ChinaEconTalk podcast, I hope you all find it interesting. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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19 May 2021 | How Beijing Sees Korea | 00:41:37 | |
Why hasn’t North Korea emulated Deng’s Opening & Reform? Are China’s wealthy, educated, urbane youth liberals? Could the PLA cooperate with the U.S. military in the event of Korean reunification?
Dr. Sungmin Cho of the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies joins ChinaTalk for a discussion of the Korean Peninsula as viewed by Beijing. This episode is a companion to this week’s ChinaTalk with Odd Arne Westad. Ainikki Riikonen, a research assistant at Center for a New American Security, joins as today’s co-host. Thanks to CNAS for sponsoring this episode.
Read Dr. Cho’s recent article on the joint recovery of fallen soldiers on the Korean Peninsula as a “guardrail to prevent the worsening of” any potential military crisis in the region: https://apcss.org/nexus_articles/the-joint-recovery-of-fallen-soldiers-from-the-korean-war-one-way-for-american-chinese-north-and-south-korean-soldiers-to-cooperate-and-reconcile/
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30 Mar 2021 | US-China Ideological Competition | 01:27:46 | |
Are the US and China in ideological competition? How does one go about answering that question? Dan Tobin of the US Intelligence Community's National Intelligence University and Ryan Manuel of Official China have a dangerous amount of fun debating guiding ideologies and what they mean for geopolitics.
Dan's 2020 congressional testimony on CCP ideology: https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/testimonies/SFR%20for%20USCC%20TobinD%2020200313.pdf
Ryan's PhD thesis on CCP bureaucracy (which really is fantastic, chapter 3 is an absolute must-read): https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:84ec884b-9bd7-46d7-a395-f6bf9ba501e0/download_file?safe_filename=RManuel%2BDPhil%2BFINAL.pdf&file_format=application%2Fpdf&type_of_work=Thesis
This episode was recorded in late 2020. Dan's views are his own and do not reflect those of the US Government or the NIU.
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13 Feb 2025 | China's Great Power Wars: Lessons from Imperial History for Today | 01:29:26 | |
How has Chinese hegemony shaped power relations in East Asia? Why did imperial China conquer Tibet and Xinjiang but not Vietnam or Korea? Can learning from history help maintain peace in the Taiwan Strait?
Today’s interview begins with one shocking truth — while medieval Europe suffered under near-constant war, East Asia’s Middle Ages were defined by great power peace.
To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Professor David C. Kang, director of the Korean Studies Institute at USC and co-author of Beyond Power Transitions: The Lessons of East Asian History and the Future of U.S.-China Relations.
We discuss…
How East Asian nations managed to peacefully coexist for centuries,
Why lessons from European history don’t always apply in non-European contexts,
Why wars begin and how they can be avoided,
How to interpret outbreaks of violence in Asia — including conflicts with the Mongols, China’s meddling in Vietnam, and Japan’s early attempts at empire,
State behaviors that cannot be explained by power transition theory alone,
Whether the Thucydides trap makes U.S.-China war inevitable,
Old school methods for managing cross-strait relations.
Co-hosting today is Ilari Mäkelä of the On Humans podcast.
Outro music: 荒城の月 "The Moon over the Ruined Castle" by 滝廉太郎 Rentarō Taki (Youtube link)
Cover photo of a Song Dynasty axe-wielding god https://dragonsarmory.blogspot.com/2016/12/song-chinese-armor-in-religious.html
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03 Jul 2023 | PLA Invasion: Is Taiwan's Military Ready? | 00:49:33 | |
Paul Huang, Taiwan military expert and research fellow at the Taiwan Public Opinion Foundation, returns to ChinaTalk! Today he gives us an update on Taiwan’s military readiness, the PLA’s expansion, and whether Xi Jinping would really send it.
If you missed his episode back in 2020, give it a listen, too. And check out his recent thoughts posted on NBR, as well as his long-form special report, “Threats to Taiwan’s Security from China’s Military Modernization.”
In this episode, we cover:
The status quo of Taiwan’s reservist forces and command-and-control capabilities — and how Western countries perceive that status quo;
How the PLA’s military capabilities stack up against Russia’s performance in the Ukraine war thus far;
What insights we can glean from PLA-facing propaganda;
Why Ukrainian forces have been successful in repelling the Russian military thus far, and why Xi Jinping would loathe a protracted war over Taiwan;
Paul’s take on the PLA’s recent military maneuvers against US and Canadian assets in the Taiwan Strait and South China Sea;
What the Taiwanese populace believes about PLA military action, US military support for Taiwan — and why these trends have changed over time;
China’s robust satellite expansion program, and how it plays a role in its aircraft carrier “kill chain”;
Likely and unlikely PLA invasion scenarios — and the corresponding discussions that would occur in the White House;
What Taiwan military officials — like Admiral Lee Hsi-ming (Ret.) 李喜明 — think about Taiwan’s military readiness for an invasion.
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Outro music: 逆光 - Kimberley Chen 陳芳語 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDw1B_hWwbw
This interview was taped on June 16, 2023, in Taipei.
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03 Feb 2023 | BALLOONTALK: EMERGENCY EDITION | 00:40:27 | |
Chinese balloons over Wyoming!! To discuss, we have on today William 'Balloon Guy' Kim of the Marathon Initiative, Eric Lofgren of AcquisitionTalk, and Gerard Dipippo of CSIS.
Intro Music: Up Up and Away, The 5th Fifth Dimension https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akEgsZSfhg
Outro Music: NENA | 99 Luftballons [1983] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpu5a0Bl8eY
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27 May 2022 | US-China Tech Relations: A Guide for the Perplexed | 01:28:45 | |
Where should US-China tech relations go? What should “Competitive when it should be. Collaborative when it can be. Adversarial when it must be” actually mean in practice?
To discuss, on this episode we have John Bateman, a newly minted senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and my Rhodium colleague Charlie Vest as co-host.
We get into
- Analyzing the China tech threat and current tech policy
- US public strategy on China and tech and why it’s not very clear.
- How LCD panels made it onto the list of critical tech in mid-nineties but mobile phones didn’t.
- Why it’s so difficult for intelligence analysts to assess and predict the behavior of a foreign leader.
John's report: https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/04/25/u.s.-china-technological-decoupling-strategy-and-policy-framework-pub-86897
What American policymakers read: https://scholars-stage.org/american-policy-makers-do-not-read-books/
Outro music: Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues by Bob Dylan, live at Carnegie Hall 1963
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27 Feb 2021 | 故事FM (China's "This American Life") Founder Talks Storytelling in Modern China | 00:36:07 | |
Aizhe, 故事FM's founder, runs the leading Chinese language podcast. His show gives a platform for everyday Chinese to tell their stories. We talked about his show and the state of journalism in modern China. Aizhe is a personal hero of mine and I'm so grateful I had this opportunity to record this episode.
Aizhe would love to get in touch with American podcast producers, so if you are one, please don't be shy. Reach out to me and I'll put you in touch!
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Outtro music: Haze by OBO3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abjvaYqMUw4
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16 Jan 2019 | The world’s largest video game industry | 00:47:51 | |
China’s video game market is the world’s largest. Over 600 million people play video games in China, and collectively, they spend over $40 billion a year on games. This episode, featuring Abacus reporter Josh Ye and localization expert Frankie Huang, explores the market as well as gaming culture in China. Check out our newsletter exploring the best long-form Chinese reporting on tech and business at chinaecontalk.substack.com. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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07 Jul 2021 | China's Solar Industry | 00:50:34 | |
How did Chinese firms come to dominate the global solar industry? Now that the Biden administration has banned imports for some key components of solar panels made in Xinjiang, how will global solar buyers adapt? Andy Klump, CEO of Clean Energy Associates, a firm tasked with monitoring Chinese solar supply chains, joins the podcast to discuss.
Outtro Music: 星球坠落(FALLING)by 艾热, a rapper from Xinjiang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN8lxL1gvOE&list=OLAK5uy_mxe6tOdJnF3FcOOYFaBPPW2wKbrE7mKwU&index=2
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25 Oct 2023 | PLA Purges + Taiwan War Risk | 00:58:00 | |
Defense Minister Li Shangfu just got officially purged. To discuss, we brought on Joel Wuthnow, a fellow at NDU. His research areas include Chinese foreign and security policy, Chinese military affairs, US-China relations, and strategic developments in East Asia. He joined ChinaTalk to discuss Xi Jinping’s recent purges of high-ranking members of the People’s Liberation Army, Xi’s larger vision for the PLA, and what all this internal turmoil might mean for China’s longer-term designs on Taiwan. This was recorded earlier in October.
Key insights:
Over ten years after coming to power, Xi is still purging corruption from the military, reflecting his continued lack of trust in the PLA;
Corruption is historically endemic in the PLA in part because of its incentive structure, which makes graft a prerequisite for rising through the ranks;
Xi’s efforts to break up the PLA’s supervisory apparatus have only been partially successful (they’re still the same people even if they’re in a different department);
Amid the anti-corruption shakeup, China’s Rocket Force has been successfully developing hypersonic missiles, technology viewed as critical to countering US intervention in a regional conflict over Taiwan;
Despite Xi’s apparent distrust of his inner circle of military advisors, an echo chamber–induced invasion of Taiwan is still a live possibility.
Joel Wuthnow is a senior research fellow with the National Defense University.
Nicholas Welch cohosts.
Outtro Music: The Weeknd's take on Drake's Trust Issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVCV6hyv7ac
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22 May 2020 | AI Basic Research in China and the US | 00:29:06 | |
Who's spending big? Does it matter? Zach Arnold and Ashwin Acharya join the show to discuss their reports on Chinese public sector AI R&D spending and strengthening America's AI workforce.
Do note this episode was recorded in late February.
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13 Mar 2024 | Matt Clifford on China, AI Safety, and Entrepreneurship | 02:14:01 | |
How do you stand up an effective national AI project? Is the world prepared for the Reformation-level societal change AI could bring?
Matt Clifford, according to Politico Britain’s most powerful tech adviser, joins ChinaTalk to discuss! He served as Prime Minister Sunak's sherpa for the UK AI Summit, chairs ARIA, the UK's answer to DARPA, and co-founded Entrepreneur First, a startup incubator with a strong presence throughout Europe and Southeast Asia.
We get into:
Tech Diplomacy & the UK AI Safety Summit: How countries are waking up to the watershed moment at the advent of powerful new AI, and the surprising commonalities in China’s perspectives on AI safety.
Organizational Design at ARIA: What are the challenges creating a world-class science project in government? How can you attract the best people and create the right organizational culture for success?
Open Source AI and the Global AI Race — How should we evaluate the approaches to AI across different countries and private actors? What’s the verdict on open source models?
Preparing for monumental changes — and why history cautions against expecting business as usual, and how fiction can open our mind to the possibilities.
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14 May 2021 | Industrial Policy: How the Green New Deal's Architects Would Do IP | 01:26:31 | |
For Part Three of ChinaTalk's industrial policy series, we are joined by two leading lights of the American left: Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC's former Chief of Staff, and Zack Exley of the 2016 Bernie campaign. (Don't forget to check out Part One with Rob Atkinson and Part Two with José Fernandez.) Co-hosting is Vishnu Kannan, a junior fellow in Carnegie's Technology and International Affairs Program. Saikat and Zack take us inside the creation of the Green New Deal, lay out how bold leadership can change a nation's economic trajectory, lament Democrats' lukewarm appetite for industrial policy, and offer up their vision for an American developmental program that harnesses the full potential of its people and capital. We discuss everything from how Harvard teaches economics wrong to what CIA Director Bill Burn's declassified Iraq War cables have to do with the classic film Casablanca.
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01 May 2021 | China's Anti-Monopoly Moment | 00:46:38 | |
Fascinated (or stunned) by China’s recent anti-monopoly moves against tech giants Ant and Meituan? Want to get inside the head of Chinese regulators as they plan their moves against the globe’s largest corporations? ChinaTalk has you covered. This week I’m joined by Dr. Angela Zhang, a professor at The University of Hong Kong’s Faculty of Law, to discuss her new book “Chinese Antitrust Exceptionalism: How The Rise of China Challenges Global Regulation”. Yvonne Yu, my colleague at Rhodium, cohosts. Together we dig deep into the past, present, and future of the Chinese regulatory state.
Dr. Zhang tweets at @AngelaZhangHK and you can read her work in Nikkei Asia as well: https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-s-Alibaba-probe-is-not-all-bad-news
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09 Apr 2021 | 'Invisible China': How the Urban-Rural Divide Threatens China’s Rise | 00:53:01 | |
Scott Rozelle (legend, Stanford professor, co-director of the Stanford Center on China's Economy and Institutions) joins ChinaTalk to discuss his recent book Invisible China: How the Urban-Rural Divide Threatens China’s Rise, co-authored with Natalie Hell. We discuss how China’s 900 million-strong low-income population will decide China’s future development path. Is China is the next Mexico? Why is it easy to solve poverty but not low income? Why don’t local governments spend enough on rural education and health? How has the relationship between academia and government changed from the Hu Jintao-era to the Xi Jinping-era?
The views expressed in this podcast are my own and do not represent those of the Rhodium Group.
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13 Jan 2025 | Amb. Burns Reflects from Beijing | 01:18:03 | |
Can diplomatic charisma prevent crises from escalating? Does the CCP feel conflicted about aligning with the likes of Iran and North Korea? What’s the use of communicating during a great power competition?
To find out, ChinaTalk interviewed R. Nicholas Burns, Biden’s Ambassador to China, whose diplomatic career spans 35 years and 8 countries.
We discuss…
Kissinger’s experience negotiating with the CCP,
Why China’s negotiating tactics are so different from those of the Soviet Union,
How European allies are helping to push back against Chinese aggression,
Great power responsibilities, and whether Chinese leaders truly appreciate the reputational costs of helping the Russians and the Houthis,
Biden’s victories with new partners in the Pacific,
How diplomats express consequences and draw red lines during international crises,
Areas of mutual interest where the U.S. and China can still engage productively,
The importance of specialists in the Foreign Service.
Outro music:
Óró Mo Bháidín - Mary O’Hara
Auld Lang Syne - Rendition by The Irish Rovers, originally written by Robert Burns
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30 Mar 2025 | Superintelligence Strategy with Dan Hendrycks | 01:14:59 | |
Is there a stable state the US and China can hope for on the road to AGI?
To discuss we have on today Dan Hendrycks. A CS PhD, Dan runs the Center for AI Safety and is an advisor at xAI and Scale AI.
Here's his superintelligence strategy: https://www.nationalsecurity.ai/
For some more direct lessons from the Cold War to today's US-China dynamics, check out the show I did with Hal Brands (https://www.chinatalk.media/p/cold-war-lessons-for-us-china-today)
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16 Mar 2023 | GPT4—AI Unleashed? | 01:24:51 | |
How will GPT4 change the world?
What implications does it have for policy, economics, and society?
How will US-China 'racing dynamics' play out and what are the implications for AI safety?
To discuss, I've brought together the AI Justice League: Zvi of 'Don't Worry About the Vase', Nathan Labenz of Waymark, and Matthew Mittelsteadt of Mercatus.
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10 Jul 2021 | Xi: Failed Reformer? | 00:46:18 | |
Why does Xi govern like he's running out of time? Rhodium's Dan Rosen and CSIS' Jude Blanchette discuss their recent Foreign Affairs pieces recapping the past years of Xi's rule from an economic and political perspective. We get into failed financial liberalization, anti-corruption, the prospects for war over Taiwan, lessons from Sputnik, and vertical farming.
Dan's FA piece: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-06-22/chinas-economic-reckoning
Jude's FA Piece: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2021-06-22/xis-gamble
Outtro music (for my money the best propaganda song ever rapped!) PG One 破晓 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5JKHP0DtNc
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26 Aug 2020 | Land Wars: China's Agrarian Revolution | 01:05:53 | |
In 1927, Mao wrote that "In a very short time...several hundred million peasants will rise like a mighty storm, like a hurricane, a force so swift and violent that no power, however great, will be able to hold it back." During the 40s and 50s, he was able to realize this vision to disastrous effect. On this show, Tulane Professor Brian DeMare joins the show to discuss the history and legacy of the land reform movement, including forays into the role of Xi's father and William Hinton's Fanshen.
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Intro Music: 没有共产党没有新中国
Outtro Music: 听妈妈讲过去的故事
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10 Jun 2024 | Shakespeare and Power | 01:15:26 | |
Are politicians and actors two sides of the same coin? Can you become a better public speaker by studying soliloquies? What can Shakespeare teach us about the nature of power?
To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Eliot Cohen: SAIS professor, military historian, and counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. He is also the author of The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare on How Leaders Rise, Rule, and Fall.
Co-hosting is Jordan’s little brother, actor Phil Schneider. He recently graduated from Yale where he starred in a production of Hamlet. He’s played Romeo, Octavius Valentine, Richard II, and Leontes. Also, he’s looking for a new agent — reach out at jordan@chinatalk.media!
They discuss:
Royal/executive power — what getting it does to you, and why relinquishing it is so hard;
Court intrigues of yore (and today);
Timeless techniques for exhorting and manipulating the masses;
What makes a great speech;
What it really means to be an effective leader, and how great leaders know when it's time to quit.
Nixon's Farewell speech: Youtube link.
Outtro audio: Orson Welles Recounts Crossing Paths With Hitler And Churchill. Youtube link.
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02 Apr 2021 | Baijiu! | 00:48:32 | |
Derek Sandhaus is the author of Drunk in China: Baijiu and the World's Oldest Drinking Culture and part of the team behind Ming River Baijiu, the first (good) Baijiu created especially for the international market. We discuss AA in china, Baijiu's origins, different varieties of Baijiu, the drink's evolving role in modern China, as well as the challenge of bringing such a polarizing drink to Europe and the US.
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15 Jul 2022 | Lessons from American Sovietology | 01:08:18 | |
When Churchill announced in 1946 that an iron curtain had descended over Europe, the US government only employed two dozen experts on the Soviet Union. Two years later, with the cold war well underway, the CIA only had 12 Russian speakers.
Over the following decades, philanthropists and the US government started an intellectual mobilization that had profound effects on the course of the cold war. To talk about this, David Engerman, author of Know Your Enemy: The Rise and Fall of America's Soviet Experts, joins the show along with cohosts Chris Miller, a professor at Tufts, and Sam George, who just finished a masters in East Asian studies at Stanford.
We discuss:
How America created a cadre of Sovietologists.
What their impact was on US policy.
Why the experiment ultimately failed.
What lessons the story has for contemporary area studies and China studies in particular.
Outro music: We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g
Check out David's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Know-Your-Enemy-Americas-Experts/dp/0199832471
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13 Mar 2020 | How Chinese Governance Fundamentals Impact Health Care and National Security | 01:26:57 | |
How has the distinct nature of local-central relations in the Chinese system impacted its response to coronavirus? To discuss, we have on Ryan Manuel, managing director of Official China, a consultancy that goes deep into CCP regulations and policy.
Ryan previously taught at KHU and ANU as well as worked for the Australian government. Our wide-ranging conversation filled with dashes of dark Aussie humor starts with COVID-19 and SARS and then broadens out into how the history of rural healthcare in China explains dynamics that impeded the initial Chinese response. Next, we focus on how Hu Jintao created a model of managing local central relations that Xi studied and took to the next level by scrapping collective responsibility and working through Party as opposed to government channels.
Also, we're on the Lawfare Network now! Thanks to everyone at SupChina who has contributed to this show over the past years.
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16 Apr 2020 | Coronastories: Dispatches from Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong | 00:36:23 | |
This week I'm trying something different. I've been interviewing my friends across China about their Coronavirus experiences, 故事FM style. We start off with Dev from Shanghai who lived through the entire lockdown and has interesting reflections on the lasting effects of social distancing on interpersonal relationships.
Next, I talked with Jen about how Hong Kong has navigated the crisis. Finally, Tianyu, who flew back mid-March to Beijing, discusses mandatory self-quarantine and the process of navigating the bureaucratic mess of QR health codes.
I'm planning on potentially doing a few more of these so do reach out if you feel you have a story you'd like to share, not just about China but Asia more generally. I'm JordanSchneider on wechat, jorschneider@gmail.com or on twitter.
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23 Dec 2024 | AI Geopolitics in o3's Age with Chris Miller + Lennart Heim | 01:29:35 | |
Chris Miller of Chip War and Lennart Heim of RAND check in on the geopolitics of AI. We explore:
Chinese labs' algorithmic progress (surprising to everyone but regular ChinaTalk listeners!)
The geopolitical implications of scaling on test time compute
What is and isn't working with US export controls
And a whole lot more this was a great episode!
The CSET report I referenced: https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/chinas-sti-operations/
Chris and Lennart's ChinaTalk in early 2023 https://www.chinatalk.media/p/ai-compute-101-the-geopolitics-of
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31 May 2023 | Flournoy on US-China and DoD Innovation | 01:03:25 | |
Michele Flournoy, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy under Obama, CNAS founder, and co-founder of WestExec Advisors, returns to ChinaTalk to discuss:
How the Biden Administration is trying to re-engage with China
Reflections on innovation in defense, AI, and the war in Ukraine
ChinaTalk meetup in NYC this Friday! https://partiful.com/e/taNb35oaCKjglbHHdEA1
Reuters reporting: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/why-us-delayed-china-sanctions-after-shooting-down-spy-balloon-2023-05-11/
New Yorker piece: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/29/two-weeks-at-the-front-in-ukraine
Socila history of the machine gun: https://www.amazon.com/Social-History-Machine-Gun/dp/0801833582
Outtro music: the great Tina Turner with Marvin Gaye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTsy-uPvQoY
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02 Jan 2021 | Great Power Competition with Richard Danzig | 00:57:24 | |
On the second joint episode of Acquisition Talk and ChinaTalk, Richard Danzig, a Secretary of the Navy under Clinton, discusses US-China relations and military innovation. Richard is a Senior Fellow at Johns Hopkins APL, a former Secretary of the Navy, and a fiction guy. We traverse a number of subjects, including:
How the risk of war with China is reflected in trade policy
The problems regulators face in high-tech industries
Views on growing the US Navy to 500 ships
How US prime contracts differ from state-owned enterprises
Whether the Chinese are more risk-tolerant than the US
His book recs include:
Woman of the Dunes
The Door
The Lonely Polygamist
Outtro music "LL Cool J" by Ansr J
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19 Jun 2021 | China's Cyber Strengths + How to Analyze Policy | 00:51:16 | |
Dave Aitel, who started his career at NSA and spent the past twenty years in offensive cybersecurity, comes on ChinaTalk to discuss
What he's learned in his quest to read every cyber policy paper
What blindspots remain in the field
How China ranks in offensive and defensive cyber ceapabilities relative to the US and what we can all learn from the Tianfu Cup (http://www.tianfucup.com/)
Why Cyberpunk 2077 is a masterpiece
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Graded China Policy Papers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D88loPVPBgGYj53lroS05rB1LJ2kA5DnbfRJIXghST0/edit?usp=sharing
Graded Cyber Policy Papers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pnISykZe1nn1wwWBJRiaxYaqDoj4ADeBtsoUL41Hw2Y/edit?usp=sharing
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28 Aug 2022 | Industrial Policy for Biotech? | 00:50:22 | |
Does America need an industrial policy to compete in biotech?
Today I'm joined by two guests, Ryan Fedasiuk (@RyanFedasiuk) and Gigi Gronvall (@ggronvall). Ryan is a fellow currently on leave from Georgetown's Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET). Gigi is a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
We discuss:
The growing uses of biotechnology
Biotech security in China and the US
How biotech students can be better supported
Whether Dwight Schrute was right about the value of beets all along
Outro music: 发现美的耳朵 by 马思唯 and 也是福 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaJHDriJGPE
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04 Mar 2024 | AI + The State Department | 01:14:52 | |
How can AI change diplomacy?
To discuss the State Department’s options for AI integration, we interviewed the State Department's Deputy Chief Data and AI Officer, Garrett Berntsen. He served as an officer during two tours in Afghanistan and recently rotated off the NSC. He's optimistic diplomacy can be more effective with comprehensive, timely, and accurate data-driven analysis, and that AI will be part of achieving that mission.
We get into:
How AI can streamline bureaucratic busy work
The value of data-driven negotiation prep in diplomatic contexts
The benefits of transparency in a democratic society
What level of risk is appropriate for the civil service
How close he is to getting ChatGPT into State
The balance between transparency and secrecy in the age of big data
How the Snowden leaks changed the State Department’s relationship with technology
What the State Department can and can't import from the private sector
Thanks to the Hudson Institute and Andrew Marshall Foundation for supporting this podcast.
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20 Mar 2019 | Building – and Selling – the Great Firewall | 00:45:39 | |
This week on ChinaEconTalk, host Jordan Schneider speaks with James Griffiths, senior producer for CNN International, to discuss his new book, The Great Firewall of China: How to Build and Control an Alternative Version of the Internet. Together, they trace the history of the internet in China, from the early, heady days of relative freedom through the slow but steady tightening of government controls, and discuss China’s recent efforts to export its comprehensive model of internet censorship. Along the way, they consider questions on a range of issues including the impact of Google and the tireless efforts of netizens to work around online restrictions. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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25 Feb 2021 | Beyond Espionage: China's Quest for Foreign Technology | 00:54:03 | |
Four contributors to the recent book China's Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage discuss China’s foreign technology acquisition. Is it nefarious, or just typical behavior of an upwardly mobile nation? Is the myth of a stateless global society dead? And why does such a pressing issue seem invisible in the West?
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29 Nov 2022 | EMERGENCY POD: How will the CCP respond to the protests? | 00:40:31 | |
Ling Li, lecturer at the University of Vienna, comes on the pod to discuss:
The origins and evolution of Covid Zero
Different paths the CCP could take to cracking down
What the protests tell us about modern China
Intro sounds: https://twitter.com/renminwansui5/status/1597064778543157250
Outtro sounds: https://twitter.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1597225385728827392
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05 Feb 2025 | Anthropic's Dario Amodei on AI Competition | 00:44:18 | |
Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic. In today’s interview, we discuss…
Whether an AI innovation race is inevitable between the US and China,
How the US should update export controls in light of DeepSeek’s R1 release,
DeepSeek’s willingness to generate information about bioweapons,
Technical defenses against model distillation and AI espionage,
How advanced AI could eventually impact democracy,
Whether there is tension between export controls and the belief that AI will broadly increase human flourishing.
Dario's blogposts:
Machines of Loving Grace: https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace
On DeepSeek and Export Controls: https://darioamodei.com/on-deepseek-and-export-controls
Outro Music: Lykke Li, I Follow Rivers (Magician Remix) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6wfWu0JvA&ab_channel=LykkeLi
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26 Mar 2025 | SemiAnalysis + Asianometry on Intel, Gemini 2.5, and Chinese Robots | 00:28:28 | |
The Transistor Radio boys are back. Jon of Asianometry, Doug O'Laughlin and Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis on the pod to talk about Google's AI push, Intel's new CEO, Chinese robots, and the rise of CoreWeave.
Here's the article rating the clouds that SemiAnalysis wrote: https://semianalysis.com/2025/03/26/the-gpu-cloud-clustermax-rating-system-how-to-rent-gpus/
Outtro Music: Some Malaysian UK garage: GADISKU lucidrari, FITTO, Gard, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVewUwqu1dM
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09 Nov 2023 | London AI Summit + OpenAI Dev Day! | 00:41:51 | |
Zvi Mowshowitz of Don't Worry about The Vase and Nathan Labenz of the Cognitive Revolution podcast come on for a quick recap of the past week's AI news!
We get into:
What AI diplomacy is looking like post-Bletchley Park
What new applications OpenAI's latest announcements mean for future AI applications
Outtro: Bizarrap with Milo J https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGWa-GO8mKg
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26 Nov 2017 | Jonathan Woetzel on China's Digital Economy | 00:23:12 | |
Dr. Jonathan Woetzel, Mckinsey Global Institute Director and Senior Partner in the Shanghai office, recently co-authored a report entitled China's Digital Economy. In this podcast, he discusses the impact of BAT (Baidu, Alibaba, and Tencent) on the broader startup ecosystem, the role of the government in fostering these firms, and China's potential for continued economic creativity. He also astutely recommends that you read all of Jonathan Spence. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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10 Jul 2020 | How Corruption Works in China | 01:04:24 | |
How can China be so corrupt and yet grow so fast? What's the relationship between corruption and competent governance? How does 'access money' at the higher levels differ from the 'profit-sharing' you see lower down in the bureaucracy? How does China in the 21st century compare with America's gilded age? And why won't anyone give me dinosaur eggs?
To discuss, Prof. Yuen Yuen Ang joins the show to talk about her fantastic new book, China's Gilded Age.
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The incredible propaganda rap song feat. Xi Jinping here.
And the best Chinese tv show of the decade.
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20 Feb 2023 | AI's Regulatory Future in the US, China, and EU | 00:56:34 | |
With AI on the verge of transforming the world, how are regulators across the globe approaching the challenges the technology might pose?
Also, what does US-China AI collaboration look like today, and will it get caught up in broader tensions in the relationship?
Matt Sheehan and Hadrien Pouget, who are both at Carnegie, come on to discuss.
Matt's paper on US-China collaboration: https://www.brookings.edu/research/can-democracies-cooperate-with-china-on-ai-research/
Matt's work on Chinese algorithmic regulation: https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/12/09/what-china-s-algorithm-registry-reveals-about-ai-governance-pub-88606
Hadrien's article about the EU: https://www.lawfareblog.com/eus-ai-act-barreling-toward-ai-standards-do-not-exist
Outtro Music: Monkey Bee: A Short Film by Jamie Hewlett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y90ONojCc6Q
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21 Oct 2024 | Soviet Ruins and China's Future | 01:43:05 | |
Why did the Soviet Union collapse? Which lessons from Cold War history are relevant for China’s future?
To discuss the successes, failures, and strategies of Soviet leaders, ChinaTalk interviewed Yakov Feygin. Feygin is the author of Building a Ruin: The Cold War Politics of Soviet Economic Reform, which examines how various Soviet leaders, institutions, and economists attempted to boost Soviet growth and national power.
Co-hosting today is Jon Sine, writer of the Cogitations substack.
We discuss:
The strengths and limitations of the Stalinist economic model,
Khrushchev’s shift to “peaceful competition” with capitalism,
Alternative policy paths that could have saved the Soviet Union,
How technological optimism shaped Soviet reform efforts, inspiring the CCP in the process,
Parallels between the institutions of the Soviet Union and those of contemporary China,
The battle between political scientists and historians when analyzing the political economy of authoritarian states.
Outro music: Building a Ruin - Skyclad (Youtube link)
Links to all the books and papers referenced in this show are available on the ChinaTalk substack.
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02 Sep 2020 | Rise and Fall of a Suzhou Soft Serve Baron | 01:06:33 | |
Mister Softee, the famed northeastern American ice cream brand, in Suzhou, China? Yes, that was a thing. Turner Sparks, rising from humble beginnings as just another English teacher making his way in the world, achieved fame and fortune thanks to a catchy jingle and some tasty mango-flavored soft serve. Yet his vision of China-wide ice cream domination dissolved amid a deluge of backstabbing regulators, slashed tires, and stolen cones. Listen here to learn about the circumstances that finally melted Turner’s ice cream dream.
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22 Sep 2023 | Peak China with Noah Smith and Matt Klein | 01:09:43 | |
Noah Smith of https://www.noahpinion.blog/ and Matt Klein of https://theovershoot.co/ join ChinaTalk to discuss:
We get into:
What's really happening with China's economy and why it matters strategically
How China's potential peak parallels Japan's
Why the world should and shouldn't be scared of China's progress in semis and EVs
What another Trump Administration could do for US-China relations
How Noah actually does his substack
This was a fun one, I hope you enjoy!
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28 May 2024 | Sovereign AI | 01:12:12 | |
Good AI is good and bad AI is bad, but how do lawmakers tell the difference? Will AI bring the world together or balkanize the internet beyond repair? Why do governments even need cloud computing anyway?
To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Pablo Chavez, a fellow at CNAS and former Vice President of Google Cloud's Public Policy division, as well as the inestimable investing tycoon Kevin Xu. Xu, formerly of GitHub, is the founder of Interconnected, a bilingual newsletter on the intersections of tech, business, investing, geopolitics, and US-Asia relations.
In this interview, we discuss:
The digital sovereignty movement and the lessons we can learn from China's Great Firewall;
The value and risks of open source architecture in the future of AI governance;
Meta’s long history of open source and how Llama fits into that strategy;
The geopolitical and cultural forces driving nations to pursue their own AI strategies;
The viability of sovereign AI initiatives in the face of global tech giants.
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07 Aug 2023 | Beyond Decoupling: NATO for Trade | 00:50:43 | |
Should democracies band together to protect themselves from Chinese economic coercion? What can deterrence theory teach us about geoeconomic strategy?
To discuss these questions, I brought on Matt Goodman and Matt Reynolds of CSIS along with Matt Klein of The Overshoot and David Talbot of the Milken Institute.
We discuss:
–Why China uses economic coercion, especially against smaller states.
–How democracies might join together to deter and respond to this aggression.
–Why reslience beats retaliation when it comes to economic conflict.
Outro music: "(You're The) Devil in Disguise," Elvis Presley.
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17 Jul 2019 | Little Red Book, Big Red Ideas: Part 1 of A Global History of Maoism | 01:00:26 | |
This week, in part 1 of a special two-part edition of ChinaEconTalk, Jordan interviews Professor Julia Lovell, author of the recently published book on Mao’s international legacy entitled Maoism: A Global History. In this episode, Lovell introduces the core tenets of Maoist thought and its complex impact on both the Chinese Communist Party and other, offshoot devotees around the world. She outlines the key events in Mao’s life, the events that helped shaped his ideology, his idea of “violent, tumultuous world revolution,” and the friction during the Cold War that eventually culminated in the Sino-Soviet split. Sign up here for the ChinaEconTalk newsletter. Learn more about CLI here and use the promo code 'jordan' for $100 off any program. Quotes to listen for in this episode: 15:10: “Maoism, although it has this singular name, it doesn’t actually correspond to a single, unitary phenomenon...it’s a set of ideas and practices that is living and breathing that has been translated and mistranslated across different decades and across many different regions. And above all, it’s a set of often very contradictory ideas. And this is no coincidence because Mao himself was a great admirer of the idea of contradiction. He saw contradictions as possessing a kind of primal energy. He saw them as something that drove history on. So when there were contradictions in his own ideas or when he perceived them around him, he tended to embrace them. Inconsistency didn’t bother him.” 43:48: “The intellectual, political nub of it is that Mao feels that after Stalin’s death, Khrushchev is losing the Soviet Union, losing their revolutionary bite. They’re making nice with the United States and they’re turning their backs on the idea of a violent, tumultuous world revolution.” 46:03: “Throughout his career and particularly toward the end of his life, he consistently saw himself as a rebel, as an outlier, as someone who made trouble. You see this very strongly in the Cultural Revolution, but you also see this in the way he tries and often succeeds to provoke the Soviets.” Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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04 Mar 2021 | Clubhouse and Feminism in China with Shen Lu | 00:30:16 | |
Shen Lu of Protocol discusses the magical world of Mandarin language Clubhouse before diving into the feminist movement in China. We cover the Xianzi case, Bilibili's misogynist content, and the challenges that women face working in China's highest-flying tech firms.
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24 Jun 2020 | China-India Clashes: What Happens Next? | 00:42:39 | |
On June 15th, dozens of soldiers died in clashes on the China-India border. What exactly happened up in the Himalayas? What's the historical background? What does this mean for the trajectory of China-India and US-India relations?
We also get into development policy, water rights, and some improv featuring terrible Trump and Modi accents (I didn't even try when doing Xi).
Thanks to Akhil Bery and Sasha Riser Kositsky for coming on the show. Please consider donating to the ChinaTalk Patreon.
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22 Jan 2025 | ChinaTalk in the Year of the Dragon + What Comes Next | 00:34:50 | |
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06 Aug 2024 | The Pentagon’s Innovation Insurgents | 01:15:35 | |
Chris Kirchhoff was a founding member of the Defense Innovation Unit (DIU) and previously worked in the Obama NSC. He recently published a book called Unit X: How the Pentagon and Silicon Valley Are Transforming the Future of War. He wrote:
“To the extent present military and civilian leadership is articulating its strategy, it is one built, for the most part, on a continuation of previous programmatic and budgetary trendlines. If there is a strategy for losing a future war in China, this is it.”
Unit X traces the evolution of the Defense Innovation Unit (DIU), a group of Pentagon insurgents who are fighting to change how the DoD relates to emerging technologies.
We discuss:
The origin story of DIU and its early struggles to break Pentagon bureaucracy;
How DIU leveraged “waiver authority” to circumvent red tape under Defense Secretary Ash Carter;
Why the defense industrial base is ill-equipped to keep pace with technological change;
The case for shifting more DoD spending to non-traditional tech companies;
Lessons from commercial spaceflight for future AI governance, including potential issues with a “Manhattan project for AI.”
Outtro music: 告五人 Accusefive - 愛人錯過 Somewhere in Time (Youtube Link)
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24 Jul 2020 | TikTok, Tesla, Kanye and Open Source | 00:11:22 | |
Should the US ban TikTok? What role does open source play in the tech ecosystem and the Chinese government's plans for self-reliance? Why does tech occupy such a unique role in the US-China tech cold war? And what can Kanye teach us about foreign policy?
Today's guest is Kevin Xu, author of the interconnected newsletter.
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Exit Music: 2019 New Blood DBC Cypher.
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05 Dec 2020 | How to Research China, Talent Programs, and Military-Civil Fusion | 00:50:58 | |
Emily Weinstein of CSET talks open source China research. We also sort truth from fact and fiction on Chinese talent programs and MCF.
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21 Jan 2025 | Noah Smith: Trump 2.0's Impact on Asia + The New Tech Right | 01:09:48 | |
Our guest today is economist Noah Smith, who made time for an in-person interview during his recent trip to Taiwan. He runs the Noahpinion substack and is the author of an upcoming book on the revival of the Japanese economy.
We discuss…
The goals of Silicon Valley's pro-Trump constituency, from deregulation, to tariffs, to China policy,
Whether Elon is standing up for Taiwan behind closed doors,
Whether Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and Poland need their own nuclear weapons,
How Taiwan could bargain for independence with China’s leaders post-Xi,
National health insurance as a potential solution to China’s aggregate demand problem,
A Georgist perspective on China’s real estate problem,
Why China’s demographic issues are overstated,
Recommendations for Taiwan’s economic development.
To hear more of Noah's musings, check out Econ 102, a podcast by Turpentine.
Outtro music: Wifey by Dizzy Dizzo 蔡詩芸 (Youtube Link)
Cover art: 清 冷枚 梧桐双兔图
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17 May 2024 | AI Roundup: GPT4o, SCSP AI Expo, Open vs Closed | 00:42:57 | |
Nathan Lambert of the Interconnects substack and Allen Institute joins for a roundup where we get into:
What DC should understand about the Bay Area AI engineer psyche
What GPT4o and Google's AI Dev Day mean for the future of AI
OpenAI's model spec, and exit, voice, and loyalty in the leading labs
Outtro music: Scarlett Johansson's The Moon Song
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23 May 2023 | DoD Tech Strategy: How the Pentagon Hopes to Innovate | 01:19:46 | |
The Pentagon has a new tech strategy! What does it say, what impact will it have, and what do its authors think about technological change and warfare?
Dr. Nina Kollars, advisor to Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Engineering (OUSD(R&E)) Heidi Shyu, and R&E’s Chief Data Officer Cyrus Jabbari join us to discuss in a wide ranging and at times philosophical conversation about
the challenges of peacetime innovation
critical technology lists
lessons from the origins of the machine gun and development of modern fighter jets
What Cezanne and Picasso can teach us about military innovation (from this piece https://warontherocks.com/2017/03/when-clausewitz-meets-cezanne-mastery-and-the-art-of-future-war/)
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Here's the strategy: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3389118/dod-releases-national-defense-science-and-technology-strategy/ R&E’s Chief Data Offcer yrHerus Jabbari
Music: a guy banging on pots and pans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQEedhz9ERs
Midjourney is a prompt of an F16 with this late 19th century Japanese calligraphy https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/55820
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16 Oct 2020 | China and the NBA | 00:47:53 | |
Why, aside from Yao, have Chinese players had no success in the NBA? Post-NBA, what has Yao done to reform and professionalize the Chinese Basketball Association? One year on, how does the NBA's response to Houston Rockets GM Daryl Morey's tweet look in retrospect, and why has the Chinese government responded so differently to NBA and Premier League stars making noise about Xinjiang?
Hunter Shi of the podcast 翻转体育 and Nate Duncan of the Dunk'd On Podcast join to discuss.
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26 Jul 2023 | EMERGENCY POD: Qin Gone! | 00:34:59 | |
Until yesterday, Qin Gang 秦刚 was serving as China’s Minister of Foreign Affairs. But on Monday, July 24, the National People’s Congress Standing Committee announced an emergency meeting for the next day, July 25, during which Qin was “removed” 免职 (albeit not “dismissed” 撤职) from his position as China’s #2 diplomat.
To dissect the rumors and make sense of it all, we have on Matt Brazil — a senior China analyst at BluePath Labs, writer for SpyTalk, fellow at the Jamestown Foundation, and longtime friend ChinaTalk. (Check out our January 2021 show with Matt!)
We discuss:
Precisely what we know and don’t know about l’affaire Qin;
How journalist Fu Xiaotian 傅晓田 is wrapped up in all of this — and how those with CCP connections somehow end up with private jets and buy-ins to elite universities;
Qin’s possible connections to the Ministry of State Security — and why that might rub his subordinates the wrong way;
How the CCP has dispensed with previous political elites, and whether Qin’s treatment resembles theirs; and
Why it is that sometimes even the heads of CCP security don’t even know what’s going on!
Outro music: 我要你的愛, by 葛蘭; “Saving All My Love For You,” by Whitney Houston
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20 Feb 2019 | Diplomatic bookkeeping with Ryan Hass | 00:33:50 | |
This week’s guest on ChinaEconTalk is Ryan Hass, a David M. Rubenstein Fellow in the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy program, who is jointly appointed to the John L. Thornton China Center and the Center for East Asia Policy Studies. From 2013 to 2017, he served as the director for China, Taiwan, and Mongolia at the National Security Council (NSC) during President Obama’s second term. Ryan offers reflections on his time at the NSC; the diplomatic strategies and objectives regarding U.S.-China relations during his time in the White House; elaboration on an article he co-authored at Brookings titled “Assessing U.S.-China relations 2 years into the Trump presidency”; and thoughts on the trajectory of the bilateral relationship under the current administration. Check out our newsletter at www.chinaecontalk.substack.com. Also, join the fan club and rate ChinaEconTalk on iTunes! Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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24 Jan 2025 | EMERGENCY POD: DeepSeek R1 and the Future of AI Competition with Miles Brundage | 00:32:33 | |
Miles Brundage, a six year OpenAI vet who ran its Policy Research and AGI readiness arms, discuss why all your deepseek takes are so terrible.
Outtro music: The Departure, Max Richter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R5Ppb9wqjY
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17 Jun 2024 | Taiwan War + Grand Strategy for Cold War II | 01:30:27 | |
Is Cold War II upon us? What should America do to prevent it from becoming a hot war?
To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Dmitri Alperovitch. Dmitri emigrated from Russia in 1994 at age 13. He co-founded the leading cybersecurity startup Crowdstrike, and has spent the past four years running his new think tank, the Silverado Policy Accelerator.
He's also the author of the new book World on the Brink: How America Can Beat China in the Race for the Twenty-First Century.
We discuss:
Lessons from Cold War crises that almost went nuclear;
Underappreciated parallels between the Soviet Union and China today;
Groupthink in Washington as well as in Silicon Valley;
What a productive economic relationship with China would look like given national security concerns;
Some bold military and diplomatic recommendations for Taiwan;
… and more!
Work with Matt at Open Philanthropy: Clickable link, URL: https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/openphilanthropy/f33460e1-e092-46ae-918a-85338ffad9a3
Kennedy's speech to the American people regarding the Berlin Wall: JFK Library.
Outtro music: Leningradskie mosty from 1957 USSR
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16 Aug 2023 | Culture Month! Painting in Premodern China | 01:01:30 | |
Culture month continues with some traditional Chinese painting coverage!
What was it like to paint in premodern China? How did a husband-wife and master-mentee team up to produce some remarkable art? Why is it okay to say Chinese art is "good" or "bad" while those who critique western art have so much heartburn over saying their opinion?
Cohosting is Joseph Scheier-Dolberg, Chinese paintings curator at the MET.
This episode is better experienced on YouTube. Check out the video on ChinaTalk's YouTube channel here: https://youtu.be/Rxr6xOj29A8
Here's the link to the exhibit: https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/learning-to-paint/exhibition-objects
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10 Aug 2020 | What China Wants | 00:42:57 | |
How do you even go about answering that question? Is there a consensus in Washington on how to confront China and does that consensus make any sense? Ali Wyne and Jessica Chen Weiss come on to discuss.
Currently, I make $4/hr from donations adding up all the time it takes to prep, record, and edit the show. This is the 99th episode of ChinaTalk. If you'd like to see the show continue production at the same frequency of one episode per week, please consider donating to support ChinaTalk at https://glow.fm/chinatalk.
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11 Oct 2024 | 中文版:打造矽盾:台積電與台灣的未來 | 01:30:56 | |
林宏文是《晶片島上的光芒》一書的作者,這本書深入探討了台積電的歷史、管理方法和國際角色。作為台灣最資深的半導體記者之一、林宏文以其三十多年的行業經驗,為讀者呈現了一個全面而生動的台灣半導體產業發展故事。
訪談中、主要討論了以下幾個關鍵話題:
台積電的創立背景及其在全球半導體產業中的獨特定位
台灣政府在推動半導體產業發展中的角色,特別是工研院和科學園區的貢獻
台積電的管理模式,包括研發與製造部門的平衡以及人才培養策略
台灣半導體產業的國際競爭力,尤其是與三星等競爭對手的比較
台積電在全球地緣政治中的角色,以及"矽盾"這一概念的由來和影響
AI時代對半導體產業的影響,特別是對記憶體和邏輯晶片整合的需求
台灣與美國在看待國際關係上的差異,以及這種差異對台灣國際戰略的影響
Special thanks to the host of this interview, Arrian Ebrahimi of the Chip Capitols substack. Cohosted by ChinaTalk editors Nicholas Welch and Lily Ottinger.
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09 Apr 2020 | Domestic Coronavirus Propaganda and China-Australia Relations | 00:41:04 | |
Adam Ni and Yun Jiang are two former Australian government officials who together write Neican(内参), a fantastic new newsletter on Chinese policy and China-Australia relations.
We talk about how the CCP is trying to convince its population that post-coronavirus all is still well on the mainland. We also go into the main flashpoints from an Aussie perspective, focusing in particular on influence campaigns.
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02 May 2024 | TSMC Takes Arizona | 00:45:15 | |
TSMC is taking on Arizona. How's it going? To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Viola Zhou, journalist at Rest of World. She has published pieces on Foxconn's quest to make iPhones in India and most recently, a gripping feature about the cultural challenges that TSMC is facing trying to manufacture semiconductors in the USA. Throughout her story, we get a peek into a world of rigid hierarchies, American workers who are slow on the uptake, and culture clash over pornographic desktop flair.
Today’s interview discusses:
Sleuthing techniques for independent journalism;
The challenges faced by Taiwanese semiconductor engineers relocating to Arizona;
TSMC’s management style and the complaints raised by new American employees;
The similarities and differences between TSMC’s expansion to the USA and Foxconn’s expansion to India;
Whether adapting to American work culture will tank the prospects of the new Phoenix Fab.
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25 Mar 2024 | Biotech 101 | 01:45:56 | |
Biotech. What is it? Why should you care? Does biotech really matter for national security? What are China’s biotech ambitions?
To find out, ChinaTalk interviewed Jason Kelly, the Chair and Vice Chair of the National Security Commission on Emerging Biotechnology. Jason is the Co-Founder and CEO of Ginkgo Bioworks, a publicly traded firm that provides a horizontal platform for cell programming. Michelle Rozo is currently Vice President of Technical Capabilities at In-Q-Tel, and she previously held positions in Biden’s NSC, the Department of Defense, and on the Hill.
Co-hosting today is Chris “CRISPR” Miller, author of Chip War.
We get into:
The powerful science behind genetic engineering ;
How the US government turned biotechnology into a $1 trillion industry over the course of the last fifty years;
Why generative AI is destined to revolutionize synthetic biology;
And whether China’s national biotech champions can leapfrog the US.
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03 Feb 2023 | AI Compute 101: The Geopolitics of Giant Models | 01:13:42 | |
Love it or hate it, AI capabilities continue to advance. As futurists imagine how this technology may one day be used, how it develops and who will be able to access AI tools will also depend on who funds AI projects and what hardware will be needed to get it to work.
Lennart Heim is a researcher at the Center for the Governance of AI and the author of a fantastic AI compute syllabus primer, which I have just spent the past few weeks obsessed with. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DF31DIkwS9GONzmy1W3nuI9HRAwSKy8JcIbzKYXg-ic/edit?usp=sharing
Joining as co-host is Chris Miller, author of the FT business book of the year Chip War - The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology.
We discuss:
How much does it cost to develop an AI system?
The competition for access to specialized AI chips.
Whether investing heavily in large AI models is financially viable.
Chip smuggling versus cocaine smuggling.
Outro music: 年度专辑 by AR刘夫阳 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkVhOQYnO0
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16 Jan 2025 | yup, more export controls....foundry, DRAM, and reflections | 00:34:40 | |
Greg Allen of CSIS and I are tired! We go through today's new export controls to stop TSMC from fabbing Huawei chips, some DRAM revisions, and discuss the past two years of Biden BIS policy and where we could all be going next.
Outtro music: 大雨 - deca joins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FFALDn1yGQ
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25 Jul 2023 | Taiwan’s Presidential Elections: A Primer | 01:06:33 | |
ChinaTalk welcomes Taiwan expert and Hoover research fellow Kharis Templeman. This episode is all things 2024 Taiwan elections — slated for January 13, 2024.
In addition to his teaching responsibilities, Kharis is the program manager of the Project on Taiwan in the Indo-Pacific, and previously was the program manager of the Taiwan Democracy and Security Project.
In this show, we discuss:
The frontrunners’ profiles — Lai Ching-te 賴清德, Hou Yu-ih 侯友宜, and Ko Wen-je 柯文哲 — and what makes this three-way race different from previous elections;
Why the KMT’s nomination process was somewhat quirky this time around;
The importance of party unity, and why some Taiwanese political parties have failed to unify in past election cycles;
What’s on Taiwanese voters’ minds — beyond national-security concerns;
The CCP’s preferred winner — plus if and how any PRC-based interference may manifest over the coming months;
Why Taiwan’s election system is “unhackable”;
What to make of the spread of disinformation and hyper-partisanship in Taiwan’s domestic media;
And some pro tips on escaping the DC bubble and understanding the Taiwanese populace.
Outro music: Bubble Tea, by Mango Street Papa 芒果街老爸
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17 Jul 2020 | How Sanctions Fail US Policymakers | 00:35:20 | |
Eddie Fishman, who worked in Obama's State Department's Policy Planning Staff, joins to discuss his recent articles on sanctions and the world order.
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06 Nov 2018 | KFC, the Business of Propaganda, and the 'Toilet Revolution' | 01:03:36 | |
Why is KFC so big in China? What is the “Toilet Revolution” and why does it matter? How does Chinese propaganda work? How have bicycles’ role in Chinese society evolved over time? Neil Thomas of MacroPolo takes on all this in ChinaEconTalk’s latest show. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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16 Jun 2022 | How corruption works in China | 01:05:36 | |
I'm off getting married/honeymooning for the next couple of weeks so in my absence please enjoy this fine ChinaTalk vintage.
How can China be so corrupt and yet grow so fast? What's the relationship between corruption and competent governance? How does 'access money' at the higher levels differ from the "profit-sharing" you see lower down in the bureaucracy? How does China in the 21st century compare with America's gilded age? And why won't anyone give me dinosaur eggs?
To discuss, Prof. Yuen Yuen Ang joins the show to talk about her fantastic new book, China's Gilded Age.
The incredible propaganda rap song feat. Xi Jinping here.
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19 Feb 2025 | Innovation Emergency: The Role of IP | 01:08:38 | |
How do patents influence emerging technology innovation? How far could AI and DOGE push our current IP regime? Does it matter that China issues way more patents than the US does?
To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Andrei Iancu, who served as the director of the US Patent Office under the first Trump administration. Andrei has degrees in aerospace and mechanical engineering, and worked at the legendary Hughes Aircraft Company before going to law school. He is currently in private practice at Sullivan and Cromwell.
Co-hosting today is ChinaTalk editor and second year law student at Duke, Nicholas Welch.
We get into…
The mounting evidence that China's patent system now dominates America’s, and whether these indicators constitute an emergency in the innovation ecosystem,
Why some US companies now prefer Chinese courts for patent enforcement,
The fundamental tension between private rights of inventors and public access to innovations,
What congressional inaction on patent eligibility means for AI innovation, and the bills that congress could pass to immediately jumpstart emerging tech investment,
What the current administration could do to help USPTO juice the economy,
Controversy surrounding the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB), and whether DOGE could put PTAB on the chopping block,
How Trump will approach patent law and intellectual property rights, including perspectives on appointments and potential reforms.
Thanks to CSIS for partnering with us to bring you this episode, the first in a three-episode CSIS Chip Chat series.
Outtro Music: Lil Green, I'm Going to Copyright Your Kisses (1941) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ye39JuJZ4k&ab_channel=LilGreen-Topic
Nellie Hill, I'm Gunna Copyright Your Kisses (1951) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3OcMdxpWas&ab_channel=krobigraubart
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19 Jan 2023 | Rep. Ro Khanna on AI, the China Committee, and Industrial Policy | 00:33:59 | |
In 2023, ChinaTalk is going to Congress! First up in our series is Rep. Ro Khanna, Democrat who represents Silicon Valley.
We get into:
What he hopes the China Committee can accomplish
Why ChatGPT let him down
What an effective industrial policy looks like
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Outtro music: Bruce Springsteen, My Hometown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77gKSp8WoRg
Cover Art: I gave midjourney a Miro and told it "US capitol supply chain"
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17 Apr 2021 | How Huarong Explains China's Creaky Financial System | 01:14:44 | |
What is Huarong and why do its struggles explain the central contradictions of China's financial system?
To discuss, Logan Wright of Rhodium joins the show. In the first ten minutes, Logan catches us up on the news of the week. Then in the following hour, I rerun an episode we recorded together in late 2018 discussing his report Credit and Credibility, which explains why the big one hasn't hit yet.
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25 Jan 2024 | Taiwan Election Results and Implications for Beijing | 00:46:31 | |
Kharis Templeman, research fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, returns to ChinaTalk to break down the recent Taiwan elections, held on January 13.
We discuss:
The lack of surprises in the election results, the subdued vibes during the campaign, and contrasts between local perspectives and foreign media narratives.
Why the KMT failed to win the presidency, notwithstanding voter dissatisfaction with the DPP.
China’s surprisingly muted response to the election, and how it may reassess its cross-Strait policies given a third DPP president.
The new composition of the Legislative Yuan, and the strategic position of the Taiwan People’s Party as gatekeeper.
Observations from Kharis’s time in Taiwan during the election season, and the gift of Taiwan’s democratic process.
Outro music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwlWDCCevY
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27 Feb 2019 | Rubber ducks and semiconductors: Navigating China’s legal system | 00:59:00 | |
“The champagne days are over,” writes Dan Harris, reflecting on how the tone of his China Law Blog has evolved since its creation in 2006. As the founder of Harris Bricken, an international law firm with a major China presence, Dan has a unique window into how macro changes in China’s economy and trade relations play out within a law firm. In this conversation, Jordan and Dan discuss common misconceptions about the law in China; memorable Chinese legal scams; joint ventures in China; day-to-day operations of an international law firm in the country; intellectual property cases and enforcement within the Chinese legal system on the mainland. Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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14 Apr 2023 | Schell on The Long Arc of US-China and Long Reach of Leninism | 01:19:45 | |
How did Xi Jinping’s formative years influence how he views the world today? Veteran China scholar Orville Schell, the Arthur Ross Director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations, looks back at decades of writing and working on China, weathering the cycles of the country opening up and shutting down and gives his two cents on what’s going on in Xi’s head.
We also discuss
— Why Mao Zedong is a better read than Xi
— China’s reciprocity problem on the international stage
— How US officials reacted to Tiananmen in a secret meeting with Deng Xiaoping
— A history of accessing China for academics, businesspeople and journalists
— Xi and victim culture
Outro Music: Glenn Gould performing Contrapunctus, I, IV from Bach’s amazing Art of the Fugue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDCieiDWAE
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27 Oct 2023 | Can AI Be Governed? | 00:52:12 | |
In this episode, Jordan Schneider interviews Markus Anderling and Anton Korinek, two of the coauthors of the paper 'Frontier AI Regulation: Managing Emerging Risks to Public Safety'. They discuss the need for regulation and oversight of advanced AI models, known as frontier models, that have the potential to pose significant risks to public safety and national security.
Jordan came in as a skeptic. Will he be convinced?
Here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.03718
Here's Markus' song choice: - -- ・ -・・ ・ ・-・・ ・- https://open.spotify.com/album/1NogWso5ElfJe4n8qKSdy9?si=mD9j5WB3TWuFGVkJRBI_Jg
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29 Jan 2021 | Taiwan! Pigs, Politics, and Pop Music | 00:58:20 | |
Maggie Lewis (Seton Hall) and Lev Nachman (UC Irvine) talk Biden's Taiwan policy, pork trade politics, the future of the KMT, third parties, academic freedom, gay marriage, and asylum from Hong Kong.
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Outtro Music: ABAO阿爆(阿仍仍)【Kinakaian 母親的舌頭】feat. 林宜瑾, 丁立芬 共創 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsh4lMH1fA8)
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13 Jan 2023 | Knowledge and AI with a Rabbi and Substacker | 01:06:06 | |
As AI becomes increasingly sophisticated, we consider the question of whether there are limits to what computers can know and how this compares to human understanding.
Joining me on this episode is Sam Hammond, the director of social policy at the Niskanen Center, and Zohar Atkins, a rabbi and host of the podcast "Meditations with Zohar."
We discuss
The impact of AI on creativity and human thought.
Fears around AI and the centralization of power.
The potential for AI to have an egalitarian effect on closing innate and environmental differences such as education and access to information.
Whether the creative class will be automated out of their jobs.
Outro music: Genesis by Daniela Adrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SJ6KNhA9QY
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07 May 2022 | Twilight Struggle: Cold War Lessons for US-China Today | 01:25:37 | |
Hal Brands (@HalBrands), professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, is the author of The Twilight Struggle: What the Cold War Teaches Us about Great-Power Rivalry Today. Along with co-host Emily Jin @ew_jin) of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), we discuss:
How the US capitalized on Soviet heavy-handedness in the developing world
How technology impacted the broader trajectory of the Cold War
The US’s never-ending cycles of self-confidence and self-doubt
Today’s Sinologists versus Cold War Sovietologists
Why the only person who can stop the war in Ukraine is the one who started it
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20 Mar 2021 | Te-Ping Chen's Short Stories of Modern China | 00:33:37 | |
In her years as a Wall Street Journal foreign correspondent in Hong Kong and Beijing, Te-Ping Chen came across a lifetime of remarkable characters and events. Most of these didn’t make her newspaper articles, so she began collecting them in short stories, which were collected in a book published just last month, Land of Big Numbers. Mara Hvistendahl guest hosts an interview with Te-Ping, where we discuss her writing process, journalism versus fiction writing, and some of the stories behind the stories. Outtro Music: Pocketful of Stars - Shanghai Rainbow Chambers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui3z7-1rUYI&t=1s "For those people sometimes cannot be understood well by others but still have strong willingness to be understood. Surely, we can also regard that the song is written for everyone. We truly believe that we all have our own zone where we place our little secrets and childlike thoughts and we wish all the goodliness in hearts can sparkle permanently like twinkling stars in the sky." Please consider supporting ChinaTalk at glow.fm/chinatalk Get bonus content on Patreon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
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13 Nov 2023 | Peter Harrell on Bureaucratic Barriers to Competition | 00:57:25 | |
Peter Harrell, who served as Biden's Senior Director for International Economics and Competitiveness on the NSC and NEC, comes on to discuss:
Why things do or don't happen in the executive branch
What reforms we might need to accelerate and amplify decision-making
Lessons from the sanctions response to the war in Ukraine for China
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