Brief Encounters (Richard Mabey )

In the final episode of this series, Richard is joined by Daniel Hulme, CEO of Satalia and Chief AI Officer at WPP. 

The pair discuss the evolution of AI, its impact on knowledge workers, and the future of machine consciousness. They dive into the importance of understanding AI's applications, the ethical considerations surrounding its development, and the potential risks and challenges that come with it. 

Reflecting on our last episode, Richard asks Daniel all about the skepticism surrounding AI and the role of government in regulating its use, advocating for a proactive approach to harnessing AI's capabilities for societal benefit. 

Daniel’s links:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielhulme/ 
Website: https://www.satalia.com/

In the first episode of a brand new season, Richard is joined by Tom Hambrett, Partner and Chief Legal Officer at Revolut.

During his tenure, Revolut has grown from a startup to a giant with a $45 billion valuation, 50 million customers worldwide, and a team of 160+ lawyers.

We cover:

• Revolut’s journey from 1 lawyer to 160+
• The power of a data-driven legal function
• The potential AI can unlock for your team
• How legal teams can demonstrate their value beyond being a necessary evil…and so much more!

Tom’s links:

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomashambrett/

Website: https://www.revolut.com/en-US/careers/team/legal/

Alex Hamilton is the CEO and founder of Radiant Law, the UK-based award-winning NewLaw firm. He’s focused on improving the contracting process for clients, leading product and tech development, and improving contracting. 

In this conversation, Alex and Richard discuss the evolution of contracting practices, the role of lawyers, and the importance of fostering relationships in business. 

The pair dig into the need for innovative approaches to contracting, the impact of technology, and the future of legal work in an increasingly automated world. The question is, is the legal profession prepared to declare a truce when it comes to contracting?

This week, Richard spoke to Lord Clement-Jones, a prominent figure in AI policy and former chair of the House of Lords AI Select Committee. They discuss Tim's career journey, the evolution of AI in the digital economy, its impact on professional services, and the potential for AI to improve access to justice. 

Together, they delve into the ethical implications of AI, the need for effective regulation, and the importance of international cooperation in setting standards. 

The pair aren’t skeptical when it comes to the future of AI, particularly in healthcare, law, and education, though they consistently emphasize the necessity of public trust and a robust regulatory framework.

Renn Vara is the co-founder of SNP Communications, a legend of Silicon Valley, and a leading voice in the world of executive communications. He understands exactly what it takes to be a founder, he knows the psyche of founders, their conscious and unconscious thoughts, as well as how they respond to pressure.

In this episode, I spoke to Renn about the importance of communication for in-house counsel and the impact of AI on the legal profession. Renn also shared expert insight on the impact effective communication, self-care, and the evolving role of lawyers in the modern workplace.

Renn's links:

Website: https://www.snpnet.com/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rennvara/ 

My links:

Website: https://juro.com/ 
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmabey/

Jake Jones is the Chief Product Officer and Co-Founder at Flank.  He’s been at the forefront of leveraging automation and AI to transform how businesses, especially in the legal world, operate for the last seven years. 

In this session, Richard and Jake discuss the evolution of legal automation and the impact of AI on legal services, sharing their insight on the unique challenges faced by legal teams and how AI can resolve them. 

The pair then discuss the emergence of AI agents and the importance of understanding the technology's capabilities in order to harness it for a wide range of legal tasks.

Finally, they touch on the adoption challenges products can face when it comes to large enterprises and the future role of lawyers in an increasingly automated landscape. 

In today's episode, I talk to Chantelle Zemba: General Counsel of Deliveroo, former commercial lawyer at Norton Rose Fullbright, and leader of one of the best legal teams in the business.

In this episode, Chantelle shares her insight on how she built a top-tier legal team at Deliveroo from 10 lawyers to 63, through countless funding rounds, an IPO, and beyond. We talk about building and maintaining a strong culture, focusing on your role as a leader, and how technology can help you stay focused on what really matters.

Chantelle's links:

Website: Deliveroo.co.uk

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chantelle-zemba-39530085/

My links:

Website: https://juro.com/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmabey/

In this episode. Richard is joined by Mark Austin CBE, Partner at Latham & Watkins LLP, former Chair of the Listing Authority Advisory Panel, and an expert voice on the evolving landscape of public markets.

Together, Mark and Richard unpack the transformation of UK listings, recent reforms, and what’s being done to make London a more competitive destination for companies going public.

If you're a founder, legal leader, investor, or just curious about the future of UK capital markets, this one’s for you.

Mark’s links:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-austin-2673a414/

UK Listings Review: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-listings-review

Elizabeth Rimmer, Chief Executive of LawCare, joined me to discuss the importance of mental health in the legal community and the challenges lawyers face. 

In May 2024, Juro ran a survey of over 100+ in-house lawyers which found that over 50% had experienced burnout at some point in their career. Elizabeth and I discussed the factors that have contributed to this worrying level of burnout experienced by lawyers.

We then dove into what the recent technological developments could mean for the legal profession, discussing how AI offers lawyers a unique opportunity to work smarter and gain back time to support their mental health and wellbeing.

But is the legal profession prepared to change? 

Let me know what you think of this episode in the comments and I’ll see you next time on Brief Encounters. 

LawCare's links:

Website: https://www.lawcare.org.uk/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/lawcare/about/

My links:

Website: https://juro.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmabey/

In this episode of Brief Encounters, Richard is joined by Andy Cooke, General Counsel at TravelPerk, a hyper-growth SaaS business travel platform and a pioneer in the future of business travel.

Andy offers insights into the evolving role of legal teams within modern businesses, emphasizing the importance of creativity, customer focus, and innovative problem-solving. 

Together, Richard and Andy explore how to build a supportive, tech-driven team that navigates rapid growth while facing the unique challenges of measuring success in legal functions.

Their discussion also touches on the mental health of lawyers and the importance of a human-centered approach in delivering legal services.

Andy highlights the need for legal professionals to redefine their value, adapt to technological advancements, and actively embrace the changes presented by AI and automation.

Mel Storey is the Head of Legal APAC at Pax8 and a big contributor to the legal community. She’s the host of the Counsel podcast and a regular contributor to TikTok with the handle @theinhouselaywer.

Mel and I discussed the mindset shift required when transitioning from a well-established corporate environment to a startup. We then delved into the value of continuous learning and self-improvement for in-house lawyers through formal training and self-learning.

We also spoke about the power of social media and community building. Mel shares her experience with starting a podcast, using platforms like TikTok to connect with and mentor others, and using technology to navigate an increasingly complex business landscape. 

Let me know what you think of this episode in the comments and I’ll see you next time on Brief Encounters. 

Mel's links:

Website: https://www.counselpodcast.com 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/theinhouselawyer/ 

My links:

Website: https://juro.com/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmabey/ 

Dana Denis-Smith is the CEO of Obelisk Support and the founder of the First 100 Years campaign. A TedX speaker, Dana is regularly invited to address industry events and comment in the media on gender equality, entrepreneurship, and legal technology. 

In this episode, Richard and Dana discuss the journey from lawyer to entrepreneur, though they realize quite quickly that once a lawyer always a lawyer!

The two get to grips with how AI should be seen as a transformative force in the legal profession and how it must adapt to new generations' expectations. Finally, the pair share their insight on the evolution of the legal sector and Dan’s aspirations for a more integrated profession that serves consumers better.

We’d love to know your take on this too.

Laura Frederick, founder of How to Contract, former commercial lawyer at Tesla, and one of the most respected community voices in legal, shares her journey into law and her love of contracts.

Laura spoke to me about the importance of practical training and experience in contract law. We discussed the challenges of finding the ‘goldilocks’ path to happier negotiation, as well as some of her top tips and most common pitfalls to avoid!

Laura and I also explored the role of technology in contract management (of course) and the importance of developing core contract skills and soft skills, alongside technological advancements.

Laura's links:

Website: https://www.howtocontract.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurafredericklaw/

My links:

Website: https://juro.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmabey/

In today’s episode, I chatted to Annick O’Brien, General Counsel of CybSafe and an expert in navigating governance, risk, and compliance. 

In this conversation, we dive into what in-house lawyers need to know about the EU AI Act and how to navigate AI usage within your organization. We ask the question how can we ensure that the way we use AI in businesses is secure and safe? 

In our discussion, we cover how the AI Act relates to the GDPR, the importance of creating clear and accessible privacy information, as well as fostering a partnership between legal and the wider business to encourage both secure and innovative use of AI.

Annicks's links:

Website:⁠ https://www.cybsafe.com/

LinkedIn:⁠ https://www.linkedin.com/in/annickobriencompliance/

My links:

Website: ⁠https://juro.com/⁠ 
LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmabey/⁠

In this episode of Brief Encounters, Richard is joined by Daniel Glazer, Partner at Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati in London and a leading advisor to UK tech companies expanding into the US.

Together, they explore the realities of scaling across the Atlantic — from the cultural divide in venture capital and the complexities of US fundraising to the legal hurdles founders face when hiring or contracting stateside.

Daniel shares hard-won insights on US market entry, including what UK companies often underestimate, how to approach litigation risk, and why understanding market norms is essential to avoid costly missteps.

The conversation also touches on aligning with US investors, adapting business practices for American customers, and how to plan expansion strategies with intention - not urgency.

Whether you're a founder looking at your next potential move or a legal leader advising high-growth clients, this episode is packed with practical guidance for going global.

Daniel’s links:

Wilson Sonsini: https://www.wsgr.com/en/people/daniel-glazer.html#experience

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielcglazer/